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New full body scanners at Honolulu Airport unveiled
« on: October 16, 2010, 10:21:49 AM »
Boooo!   >:(

New full body scanners at Honolulu Airport unveiled
By Star-Advertiser Staff
POSTED: 01:22 p.m. HST, Oct 15, 2010



John Brandon, Transportation Security Manager, stands inside of Advanced Imaging Technology scanner.

The Transportation Security Administration this morning unveiled a new advanced imaging technology for passengers at the Honolulu Airport.

The new scanners can look through a person's clothing to produce full-body images.

The TSA said the technology safely screens passengers for metallic and nonmetallic threats, including explosives.

This summer Lihue Airport became the first airport in the state to begin screening passengers with the advanced imaging device.

Suzanne Trevino, a spokeswoman for the TSA said this summer that passengers' privacy is protected in several ways. The face of the subject is blurred; the security officer who sees the image never sees the actual passenger (and would radio a second officer if an anomaly showed up); and images are erased before the next passenger is scanned. The machine cannot store or transmit images, she said.

Passengers also have the option of going through a body search, rather than using the device.

The TSA hopes to have 500 airports equipped with the advanced imaging scanners by the end of this year and 1,100 by the end of next year.

http://www.staradvertiser.com/news/breaking/New_full_body_scanners_at_Honolulu_Airport_unveiled.html

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Re: New full body scanners at Honolulu Airport unveiled
« Reply #1 on: October 16, 2010, 10:32:16 AM »
I'm all for it.  Only people who should be worried are terrorists and little dicks. 

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Re: New full body scanners at Honolulu Airport unveiled
« Reply #2 on: October 16, 2010, 10:33:26 AM »
I'm all for it.  Only people who should be worried are terrorists and little dicks. 

That thing looks like dollars are going to start flying around and the guy has to grab as much he can.  Like a game show. 

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Re: New full body scanners at Honolulu Airport unveiled
« Reply #3 on: October 16, 2010, 10:35:16 AM »
I'll be going through it this week.  I wonder what would happen if I flipped them the bird while I'm in the scanner? 

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Re: New full body scanners at Honolulu Airport unveiled
« Reply #4 on: October 16, 2010, 10:39:36 AM »
hawaiians will do anything for a cheap thrill

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Re: New full body scanners at Honolulu Airport unveiled
« Reply #5 on: October 16, 2010, 03:29:54 PM »
I'll be going through it this week.  I wonder what would happen if I flipped them the bird while I'm in the scanner? 
it's not even optional now? 

This stuff is going to just keep getting worse, good thread bb.

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Re: New full body scanners at Honolulu Airport unveiled
« Reply #6 on: October 16, 2010, 03:38:18 PM »
Suzanne Trevino, a spokeswoman for the TSA said this summer that passengers' privacy is protected in several ways. The face of the subject is blurred; the security officer who sees the image never sees the actual passenger (and would radio a second officer if an anomaly showed up); and images are erased before the next passenger is scanned. The machine cannot store or transmit images, she said.

Does anyone believe the TSA anymore?

http://news.cnet.com/8301-31921_3-20012583-281.html

These scanners are just the beginning, I think in the future even more invasive and oppressive measures will be enforced.

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Re: New full body scanners at Honolulu Airport unveiled
« Reply #7 on: October 16, 2010, 03:41:53 PM »
Boooo!   >:(

New full body scanners at Honolulu Airport unveiled
By Star-Advertiser Staff
POSTED: 01:22 p.m. HST, Oct 15, 2010



John Brandon, Transportation Security Manager, stands inside of Advanced Imaging Technology scanner.

The Transportation Security Administration this morning unveiled a new advanced imaging technology for passengers at the Honolulu Airport.

The new scanners can look through a person's clothing to produce full-body images.

The TSA said the technology safely screens passengers for metallic and nonmetallic threats, including explosives.

This summer Lihue Airport became the first airport in the state to begin screening passengers with the advanced imaging device.

Suzanne Trevino, a spokeswoman for the TSA said this summer that passengers' privacy is protected in several ways. The face of the subject is blurred; the security officer who sees the image never sees the actual passenger (and would radio a second officer if an anomaly showed up); and images are erased before the next passenger is scanned. The machine cannot store or transmit images, she said.

Passengers also have the option of going through a body search, rather than using the device.

The TSA hopes to have 500 airports equipped with the advanced imaging scanners by the end of this year and 1,100 by the end of next year.

http://www.staradvertiser.com/news/breaking/New_full_body_scanners_at_Honolulu_Airport_unveiled.html

I thought you of all people would love this.
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Re: New full body scanners at Honolulu Airport unveiled
« Reply #8 on: October 16, 2010, 05:10:59 PM »
it's not even optional now?  

This stuff is going to just keep getting worse, good thread bb.

Not optional.  I went through one in LAX a few weeks ago.  I'm just thrilled to have them here now.   >:(

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Re: New full body scanners at Honolulu Airport unveiled
« Reply #9 on: October 16, 2010, 05:11:40 PM »
I thought you of all people would love this.

That's what you get for thinking.   :)

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Re: New full body scanners at Honolulu Airport unveiled
« Reply #10 on: October 16, 2010, 09:08:16 PM »
Not optional.  I went through one in LAX a few weeks ago.  I'm just thrilled to have them here now.   >:(
lol, remember when they first came out, still a matter of months ago, they pushed it as ok because it wasn't manditory.  They said people didn't have to do it.  It's not even a year later and they've already dumped that.  this is sick and wrong.  Now we see that police departments are getting backscatter vans to roam the streets with so they can see everything in our cars and homes.

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Re: New full body scanners at Honolulu Airport unveiled
« Reply #11 on: October 16, 2010, 09:14:29 PM »
I'll be going through it this week.  I wonder what would happen if I flipped them the bird while I'm in the scanner? 
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Re: New full body scanners at Honolulu Airport unveiled
« Reply #12 on: October 16, 2010, 10:50:30 PM »
I hate it when you're on the internet.
are you serious?  IMO this is BB's finest moment ;D

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Re: New full body scanners at Honolulu Airport unveiled
« Reply #13 on: October 16, 2010, 10:58:13 PM »
Behold!  It's the Naked-iser 3000.  It unzips your DNA.

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Re: New full body scanners at Honolulu Airport unveiled
« Reply #14 on: October 17, 2010, 08:39:30 AM »
Seriously, why is everyone worried about the damn scanner?  Being insecure can't be that bad.

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Re: New full body scanners at Honolulu Airport unveiled
« Reply #15 on: October 17, 2010, 08:50:44 AM »
Seriously, why is everyone worried about the damn scanner?  Being insecure can't be that bad.
wtf does that mean? insecure?  I'm not insecure...  you're kidding right,...oh my bust lol....

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Re: New full body scanners at Honolulu Airport unveiled
« Reply #16 on: October 17, 2010, 08:58:20 AM »
I hate it when you're on the internet.

Stay off the internet.

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Re: New full body scanners at Honolulu Airport unveiled
« Reply #17 on: October 17, 2010, 08:59:23 AM »
wtf does that mean? insecure?  I'm not insecure...  you're kidding right,...oh my bust lol....

The TSA is such crap, just lame added bureacracy.

A couple of months ago they interrogated my gf (who is a frail young Korean girl) for over 2 hours at JFK. Of course, she looks like a terrorist so... ::)
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Re: New full body scanners at Honolulu Airport unveiled
« Reply #18 on: November 13, 2010, 06:07:11 AM »
Growing backlash against TSA body scanners, pat-downs
By Phil Gast, CNN
November 12, 2010

(CNN) -- A growing pilot and passenger revolt over full-body scans and what many consider intrusive pat-downs couldn't have come at a worse time for the nation's air travel system.

Thanksgiving, the busiest travel time of the year, is less than two weeks away.

Grassroots groups are urging travelers to either not fly or to protest by opting out of the full-body scanners and undergo time-consuming pat-downs instead.

Such concerns prompted a meeting Friday of Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano with leaders of travel industry groups.

Napolitano met with the U.S.Travel Association and 20 travel companies "to underscore the Department's continued commitment to partnering with the nation's travel and tourism industry to facilitate the flow of trade and travel while maintaining high security standards to protect the American people," the department said in a statement.

Federal officials have increased security in the wake of plots attributed to al Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula.

Industry leaders are worried about the grassroots backlash to Transportation Security Administration security procedures. Some pilots, passengers and flight attendants have chosen to opt out of the revealing scans.

More of the units are arriving at airports, with 1,000 expected to be in place by the end of 2011.

"While the meeting with Secretary Napolitano was informative, it was not entirely reassuring," the U.S. Travel Association said in a statement.
"We certainly understand the challenges that DHS confronts, but the question remains, 'where do we draw the line'? Our country desperately needs a long-term vision for aviation security screening, rather than an endless reaction to yesterday's threat," the statement said. "At the same time, fundamental American values must be protected."

The travel industry is concerned that consumers may decide not to take a plane to Aunt Gertrude's for the holiday.

"We have received hundreds of e-mails and phone calls from travelers vowing to stop flying," Geoff Freeman, an executive vice president of the U.S. Travel Association, told Reuters.

A 2008 survey found that air travelers "avoided" 41 million trips because they believed the air travel system was either "broken" or in need of "moderate correction," the U.S. Travel Association said. The decisions cost airlines $9.4 billion, the survey said.

One online group, "National Opt Out Day" calls for a day of protest against the scanners on Wednesday, November 24, the busiest travel day of the year.

Another group argues the TSA should remove the scanners from all airports. The Electronic Privacy Information Center (EPIC), a non-profit privacy advocacy group, is taking legal action, saying the TSA should be required to conduct a public rule-making to evaluate the privacy, security and health risks caused by the body scanners.

Pilots' unions for US Airways and American Airlines are urging their members to avoid full-body scanning at airport security checkpoints, citing health risks and concerns about intrusiveness and security officer behavior.

"Pilots should NOT submit to AIT (Advanced Imaging Technology) screening," wrote Capt. Mike Cleary, president of the U.S. Airline Pilots Association, in a letter to members this week. USAPA represents more than 5,000 US Airways pilots.

"Based on currently available medical information, USAPA has determined that frequent exposure to TSA-operated scanner devices may subject pilots to significant health risks," Cleary wrote.

Napolitano told industry leaders that biometric identification, such as retinal scanning and thorough background checks will expedite the screening of 80,000 passengers who participate in "trusted traveler" programs, the department said.

But the chorus against the security measures is getting louder.

The website "We Won't Fly" urgers travelers to "Act now. Travel with Dignity."

"We are opposed to the full-body backscatter X-ray airport scanners on grounds of health and privacy. We do not consent to strip searches, virtual or otherwise. We do not wish to be guinea pigs for new, and possibly dangerous, technology. We are not criminals. We are your customers. We will not beg the government anymore. We will simply stop flying until the porno-scanners are history," the site says.

"National Opt Out Day," organized by Brian Sodegren, encourages solidarity on November 24, amid the crush of Thanksgiving travelers.

"It's the day ordinary citizens stand up for their rights, stand up for liberty, and protest the federal government's desire to virtually strip us naked or submit to an "enhanced pat-down" that touches people's breasts and genitals. You should never have to explain to your children, 'Remember that no stranger can touch or see your private area, unless it's a government employee, then it's OK.' "

According to the group, passengers who say "I opt out" when told to go through body scanners are submitted to a pat-down.

"Be sure to have your pat-down by TSA in full public -- do not go to the back room when asked. Every citizen must see for themselves how the government treats law-abiding citizens," the website says.

The Facebook page of the group includes a litany of complaints about the scanners.

"I'm completely appalled by this," one woman wrote. "What happened to our right to privacy? Has Homeland Security forgotten our rights because they think its going to stop terrorists?"

Meanwhile, the Council on American-Islamic Relations has issued its own travel advisory over pat-downs many "describe as invasive and humiliating."

Muslim women who wear a hijab and are selected for secondary screening because of a head scarf should remind TSA officers "that they are only supposed to pat down the area in question, in this scenario, your head and neck. They should not subject you to a full-body or partial-body pat-down," the group said.

The TSA has deployed nearly 350 advanced imaging technology (body scanner) units in nearly 70 U.S. airports, administrator John Pistole said recently. "By the end of calendar year 2011, we plan to have deployed approximately 1,000 units."

The agency is exploring enhancements to the technology.

"This capability would make screening more efficient and would eliminate most privacy concerns about the technology," Pistole said.
Privacy concerns aren't the only reason for protests.

Some scientists and two major airline pilots unions contend not enough is known about the effects of the small doses of X-ray radiation emitted by one of the two types of airport scanning machines.

The Transportation Security Administration's advanced imaging technology machines use two separate means of creating images of passengers -- backscatter X-ray technology and millimeter-wave technology.

While the TSA says the machines are safe, backscatter technology raises concerns among some because it uses small doses of ionizing radiation. The use of millimeter-wave technology hasn't received the same attention, and radiation experts say it poses no known health risks.

The risk of harmful radiation exposure from backscatter scans is very small, according to David Brenner, director of the Center for Radiological Research at Columbia University and a professor of radiation biophysics.

The TSA says the technology has been evaluated by the Food and Drug Administration's Center for Devices and Radiological Health, the National Institute of Standards and Technology and the Johns Hopkins University Applied Physics Laboratory.

http://www.cnn.com/2010/TRAVEL/11/12/travel.screening/index.html?iref=NS1

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Re: New full body scanners at Honolulu Airport unveiled
« Reply #19 on: November 13, 2010, 06:16:29 AM »
BB, I know we don't get along, but for this, I totally agree with you. 

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Re: New full body scanners at Honolulu Airport unveiled
« Reply #20 on: November 13, 2010, 06:22:59 AM »
BB, I know we don't get along, but for this, I totally agree with you. 

Just to clarify, there isn't a person on this site that I don't get along with.  I don't even know you.  Some people may not like me, which is dumb because I don't really know anyone on this site, but I don't dislike people I don't know.  In fact, I can count on one hand the people I know in real life that I don't like (and who don't like me). 

In any event, I'm really upset about this.  It's going to be a struggle not to create an incident at the airport.  I already have a hard enough time keeping my mouth shut and not making some goofball remark when going through security.

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Re: New full body scanners at Honolulu Airport unveiled
« Reply #21 on: November 13, 2010, 06:28:38 AM »
You know some things to think about, as this annoys the shit out of me, is that how long before someone hacks into the TSA's database of these images and starts spreading them on the net?  And how would someone feel if their 12 or 13 yr old daughter had some 300lb drooling TSA slob oggling his daughters image during this?  I just think its a step too far.

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Re: New full body scanners at Honolulu Airport unveiled
« Reply #22 on: November 13, 2010, 08:23:45 AM »
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"What happened to our right to privacy? Has Homeland Security forgotten our rights because they think its going to stop terrorists?"

Exactly.

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Re: New full body scanners at Honolulu Airport unveiled
« Reply #23 on: November 13, 2010, 08:58:32 AM »
Just to clarify, there isn't a person on this site that I don't get along with.  I don't even know you.  Some people may not like me, which is dumb because I don't really know anyone on this site, but I don't dislike people I don't know.  In fact, I can count on one hand the people I know in real life that I don't like (and who don't like me). 

In any event, I'm really upset about this.  It's going to be a struggle not to create an incident at the airport.  I already have a hard enough time keeping my mouth shut and not making some goofball remark when going through security.
Opt out when you can and CLAP for those who do opt out.  When you opt out and they start yelling, "OPT OUT!!! OPT OUT!!!!" you start yelling the same thing with them and even louder and clap while you're doing it.  If they freak out just calmly tell them you thought they were joining in the nationwide protest of opting out and you only thought you were joining in with them...

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Re: New full body scanners at Honolulu Airport unveiled
« Reply #24 on: November 13, 2010, 10:09:27 AM »
Just to clarify, there isn't a person on this site that I don't get along with.  I don't even know you.  Some people may not like me, which is dumb because I don't really know anyone on this site, but I don't dislike people I don't know.  In fact, I can count on one hand the people I know in real life that I don't like (and who don't like me). 

In any event, I'm really upset about this.  It's going to be a struggle not to create an incident at the airport.  I already have a hard enough time keeping my mouth shut and not making some goofball remark when going through security.

Weird that they don't have them at JFK, which is a much bigger and more important airport, at least I didn't see any last time.
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