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Re: New full body scanners at Honolulu Airport unveiled
« Reply #50 on: November 15, 2010, 06:40:51 PM »
check this out, if you refuse, you'll be fined $10,000 and TSA will bring a civil suit against you.

 http://johnnyedge.blogspot.com/2010/11/these-events-took-place-roughly-between.html
bump for this post.  Ron has it posted in general and someone just pm'd me with this, so it's a good read.  I can't believe they'll sue your ass and fine you 10,000 if you want to refuse being felt up or exposed to a nude scan.

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Re: New full body scanners at Honolulu Airport unveiled
« Reply #51 on: November 15, 2010, 06:50:58 PM »
I hear muslim women are getting a pass on this. 

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Re: New full body scanners at Honolulu Airport unveiled
« Reply #52 on: November 15, 2010, 06:53:20 PM »
Napolitano: ‘Adjustments,’ ‘More to Come’ on Women in Hijabs Undergoing..Pat-Downs (Dhimmi Alert)
CNS ^ | 11/15/10 | Nick Ballsy


When asked today if she will insist that Muslim women wearing hijabs must go through full body pat downs before boarding planes, Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano did not say yes or no, but told CNSNews.com there will be “adjustments” and “more to come” on the issue.

“On the pat downs, CAIR [the Council on American-Islamic Relations] has recommended that Muslim women wearing hijabs refuse to go through the full body pat downs before boarding planes,” CNSNews.com asked Napolitano at a Monday press conference. “Will you insist that they do go through full body pat downs before boarding planes?”

“Look, we have, like I said before, we are doing what we need to do to protect the traveling public and adjustments will be made where they need to be made,” Napolitano responded. “With respect to that particular issue, I think there will be more to come. But, again, the goal here, you know, we’re not doing this just to do it. We’re doing it because we need to keep powders and gels and liquids off of planes that are unauthorized just as we need to keep metals off of planes.


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Re: New full body scanners at Honolulu Airport unveiled
« Reply #53 on: November 15, 2010, 06:55:12 PM »
I hear muslim women are getting a pass on this. 
do you have a link for that?  I've read that they have been told to refuse a patdown and nude scan but I haven't seen any stories of TSA letting them go after they refused.  This would really be an LOL, if they're letting muslims pass and just harrasing little kids and elderly people.

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Re: New full body scanners at Honolulu Airport unveiled
« Reply #54 on: November 16, 2010, 01:28:59 AM »


There's only one error in the video.  One of the Fox guys says that the upcoming Opt Out day is asking people to opt out of full body scans and demand to be strip searched.  That's not true, they're asking people to opt out and go through the enhanced Pat down and to make sure it's done in public view so others can see the invasion it is.

http://www.optoutday.com/

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Re: New full body scanners at Honolulu Airport unveiled
« Reply #55 on: November 16, 2010, 02:21:00 AM »
I just read a great argument made by a pilot against the body scanners.  They are already at the top of the list for radiation exposure.  30 hours of flying at 30,000+ feet equals one chest X-Ray in exposure.  This would also be concern for frequent flyers.  Is it really important to ask them to go through these additional scans exposing them or be felt up?  As another pilot put it, "we don't need a bomb to bring down an airliner, we can just push forward on the stick"

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Re: New full body scanners at Honolulu Airport unveiled
« Reply #56 on: November 16, 2010, 02:30:59 AM »
i was just in the US this summer and didnt see any sign of these then(vegas & LAX). Thank god cause im not sure what i would have done. This is garbage and a complete invasion of my/our privacy.


I live in Canada and hoping its a while before they make there way up here....if ever
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Re: New full body scanners at Honolulu Airport unveiled
« Reply #57 on: November 16, 2010, 02:46:10 AM »
i was just in the US this summer and didnt see any sign of these then(vegas & LAX). Thank god cause im not sure what i would have done. This is garbage and a complete invasion of my/our privacy.


I live in Canada and hoping its a while before they make there way up here....if ever
:o You're from Canada?  I definitely nominate you for the Coolest Canadian on Getbig Award.  You haven't been on here bashing America daily.  You deliver some of the best images of the finest T&A from around the world for our entertainment.  When you do have an opinion on something controversial, you speak your mind calmly and logically with no baiting.  Yup, the award goes to you...  Coolest Canadian on Getbig...

The next time you travel here, you can probably expect to see these scanners for sure:

"More of the units are arriving at airports, with 1,000 expected to be in place by the end of 2011"
http://articles.cnn.com/2010-11-12/travel/travel.screening_1_body-scanners-pat-downs-travel-companies?_s=PM:TRAVEL

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Re: New full body scanners at Honolulu Airport unveiled
« Reply #58 on: November 16, 2010, 02:52:54 AM »
Sorry Blinky, I had to look and it doesn't look good for you guys either :(

Body scanners coming to Canadian airports
http://www.cbc.ca/canada/story/2010/01/05/security-canada-us-airport.html

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Re: New full body scanners at Honolulu Airport unveiled
« Reply #59 on: November 16, 2010, 03:05:14 AM »
:o You're from Canada?  I definitely nominate you for the Coolest Canadian on Getbig Award.  You haven't been on here bashing America daily.  You deliver some of the best images of the finest T&A from around the world for our entertainment.  When you do have an opinion on something controversial, you speak your mind calmly and logically with no baiting.  Yup, the award goes to you...  Coolest Canadian on Getbig...

The next time you travel here, you can probably expect to see these scanners for sure:

"More of the units are arriving at airports, with 1,000 expected to be in place by the end of 2011"
http://articles.cnn.com/2010-11-12/travel/travel.screening_1_body-scanners-pat-downs-travel-companies?_s=PM:TRAVEL

haha thanx. no, im not into the bashing. just speaking my mind


Sorry Blinky, I had to look and it doesn't look good for you guys either :(

Body scanners coming to Canadian airports
http://www.cbc.ca/canada/story/2010/01/05/security-canada-us-airport.html

well i guess i shouldnt be surprised. the US says something and the rest of the world falls in line. At least i dont fly too often. about twice a year and usually just inside canada. And of course my city and the one i travel most frequently to are both on the list.  :-\
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Re: New full body scanners at Honolulu Airport unveiled
« Reply #60 on: November 16, 2010, 03:21:03 AM »
haha thanx. no, im not into the bashing. just speaking my mind


well i guess i shouldnt be surprised. the US says something and the rest of the world falls in line. At least i dont fly too often. about twice a year and usually just inside canada. And of course my city and the one i travel most frequently to are both on the list.  :-\
If you do have to get pulled out of line for the body scanners, I would opt out in favor of the balls touching patdown :-X  Some Doctors are now saying that the scans deliver 20 times higher radiation than previously stated.  The science behind this is that these waves are mostly absorbed in the layers of skin and not far beyond.  So for the skin, the exposure is much greater than counting an overall exposure to the entire body.  Also remember that they ask you to stand legs apart with hands up like you're under arrest.  There is only a very thin layer of skin and tissue between the X-Ray scan and your family jewels...  Not worth the risk if you ask me.  Even with the most minimal X-rays done in the hospital, they cover your junk with lead.  The TSA wants to make sure they have your junk X-ray scanned.  That's what the hole underwear bomber bullshit was about.  So Opt Out if you can imo...
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-1290527/Airport-body-scanners-deliver-radiation-dose-20-times-higher-thought.html

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Re: New full body scanners at Honolulu Airport unveiled
« Reply #61 on: November 16, 2010, 05:15:20 AM »
At this pointthey should just scrap the whole system and let us carry on board and take our chances.  I'll bring my Glock, CKRT folder and deal with whatever happens. 

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Re: New full body scanners at Honolulu Airport unveiled
« Reply #62 on: November 16, 2010, 05:37:37 AM »
At this pointthey should just scrap the whole system and let us carry on board and take our chances.  I'll bring my Glock, CKRT folder and deal with whatever happens.  
I'm also willing to take my chances.  I don't even need to demand the Glock for this one.  

Look at the first statistic I could find with a quick search: 45,800 people died and 2.4 million were injured in 2005 from traffic accidents!!!  Can you imagine if we had a terrorist action resulting in that many dead and injured?  And they state that number as the 6th leading preventable cause of death... meaning there are 5 greater PREVENTABLE causes of death?  Every time I go out to go grocery shopping or to the movies or to workout I'm taking a bigger chance of getting killed than all of the terrorists combined have ever posed as a threat to me or you or your sister or your brother or mother....  Yes, we should go after legit terrorists and bring them to justice... No we should not scrap the constitution or be humiliated or degraded as Americans to do so.  Nobody said freedom was safe.  There are risks every day to living free and probably hundreds of risks we take that are greater than the risk terrorism could ever pose.  

What fuels terrorism more, that they see they can and do effect us with their actions or would it by chance fuel them less if they saw we were totally unaffected by their actions?  As they have it now, they have a once proud nation scrambling for safety under a multitude of extreme changes...  fuel for the fire if you ask me....  I'd rather be proud and free and take my chances.

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Re: New full body scanners at Honolulu Airport unveiled
« Reply #63 on: November 16, 2010, 05:41:24 PM »
Pilots among those dismayed at scanners, pat-downs
By MICHAEL TARM
Associated Press

POSTED: 04:26 a.m. HST, Nov 16, 2010

CHICAGO — Airport security stops one airline pilot because he's carrying a butter knife. Elsewhere, crews opt for pat-down searches because they fear low-level radiation from body scanners could be harmful. And in San Diego, one traveler is told he can't fly at all when he likens an intrusive body search to sexual harassment.

Annoyance at security hassles has been on the rise among airline crews and passengers for years, but the widespread use of full-body image detectors this year and the simultaneous introduction of more intrusive pat-downs seems to have ramped up the frustration.

As passengers have simmered over being forced to choose scans by full-body image detectors or rigorous pat-downs inspections, some airline pilots are pushing back. Much of the criticism is directed at the Transportation Security Administration.

"I would say that pilots are beyond fed up," said Tom Walsh, a pilot and sometimes aviation security consultant. "The TSA is wasting valuable time and money searching the crew — who are not a threat."

Even one of the nation's most celebrated pilots, Capt. Chesley "Sully" Sullenberger, has detected the growing unease.

"The fundamental reason is that airline pilots are already the last line of defense for anyone who poses a threat to the airplane," said the soft-spoken Sullenberger, who successfully ditched his US Airways plane in the Hudson River last year after it struck birds during takeoff. "We are — and would like to be considered — trusted partners in that important security mission."

The scanners show a body's contours on a computer stationed in a private room removed from the security checkpoints. A person's face is never shown and the person's identity is supposedly not known to the screener reviewing the images. Under TSA rules, those who decline must submit to pat-downs that include checks of the inside of travelers' thighs and buttocks.

Top federal officials said Monday that the procedures are safe and necessary sacrifices to ward off terror attacks.

"It's all about security," Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano said. "It's all about everybody recognizing their role."

That's not how John Tyner sees it.

The software engineer posted an Internet blog item over the weekend saying he had been ejected from the San Diego airport after being threatened with a fine and lawsuit for refusing a groin check after turning down a full-body scan. He said he told one federal TSA worker, "If you touch my junk, I'm gonna have you arrested."

"I told the person that being molested should not be a condition of getting on a flight," the 31-year-old said in a phone interview Monday.

Tyner, who was eventually told he could not fly at all because he refused both modes of search, captured the incident on his cell phone.

"This is not considered a sexual assault," a supervisor can be heard telling him.

"It would be if you were not the government," replies Tyner.

Many pilots say requiring them to go through security is ridiculous.

One 20-year airline pilot, Patrick Smith, recalled once being stopped and questioned because he had a butter knife in a bag.

"If a pilot like me is going to be up to no good, why would he need a butter knife?" he said. "I'm in control of the entire airplane!"

Walsh argued that it sends a disturbing message to passengers for them to see pilots being searched.

"They must think, 'This is the guy flying the plane. If you can't trust the pilot who can you trust?'" he said.

Capt. John Prater, head of the Air Line Pilots Association, noted pilots are already subject to FBI background checks. Prater said that based on discussions with TSA officials Monday he was hopeful the agency will soon approve a "crew pass" system that would allow flight attendants and pilots to undergo less stringent screenings.

Some pilots also are concerned about possible health risks from low-level radiation emitted by the body machines.

Sullenberger, who recently retired, said pilots are exposed to more radiation because they fly at altitudes where the atmosphere doesn't fully block harmful rays.

"So, for those of us who are already exposed to many times more radiation than those who work on the ground, it is of concern to us that we are exposed even in small amounts to additional, what we consider unnecessary radiation exposure," he said.

Sullenberger said he hasn't heard of studies addressing those potential health risks, but he said, "Absent the data, I think we need to err on the side of caution."

Not all passengers share the level of ire of Tyner, whose individual protest quickly became a web sensation over the weekend.

Waiting to board a flight at Los Angeles International Airport on Monday, Mark Spritzler said he, for one, accepted that scanners were a necessary inconvenience.

"It makes me feel safer flying," Spritzler, of Long Beach, said. "I don't think they intrude on my privacy, the images are seen behind closed doors and unfortunately this is what has to be done to make things more secure."

http://www.staradvertiser.com/news/breaking/108413359.html

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Re: New full body scanners at Honolulu Airport unveiled
« Reply #64 on: November 17, 2010, 06:46:07 AM »
And the crying about all this is because of what again?

The only people who are worried about it are evil terrorists with bad intentions and insecure men with little dicks.

Grow up.

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Re: New full body scanners at Honolulu Airport unveiled
« Reply #65 on: November 17, 2010, 11:04:47 AM »
And the crying about all this is because of what again?

The only people who are worried about it are evil terrorists with bad intentions and insecure men with little dicks.

Grow up.
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Re: New full body scanners at Honolulu Airport unveiled
« Reply #66 on: November 17, 2010, 12:00:55 PM »
Continue to walk, drive or take a train to where ever you are going then.  Or quit the crying and have a scan.  Your choice.

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Re: New full body scanners at Honolulu Airport unveiled
« Reply #67 on: November 17, 2010, 12:02:31 PM »
No
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Re: New full body scanners at Honolulu Airport unveiled
« Reply #68 on: November 17, 2010, 12:02:49 PM »
And the crying about all this is because of what again?

The only people who are worried about it are evil terrorists with bad intentions and insecure men with little dicks.

Grow up.

Considering you probably enjoy the prospect of getting felt up by some fat TSA beast - no wonder you support it.  


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Re: New full body scanners at Honolulu Airport unveiled
« Reply #69 on: November 17, 2010, 12:12:50 PM »
Having a scan eliminates any need for being felt up.  I guess that part of the article and common sense went over your head.  No surprise.

But since you never leave home you won't have to worry about that happening to you.


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Re: New full body scanners at Honolulu Airport unveiled
« Reply #70 on: November 17, 2010, 12:13:41 PM »
No

Then open your own airport.

Otherwise be prepared to deal with any rules the current ones feel like subjecting you to. 

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Re: New full body scanners at Honolulu Airport unveiled
« Reply #71 on: November 17, 2010, 12:13:46 PM »
Having a scan eliminates any need for being felt up.  I guess that part of the article and common sense went over your head.  No surprise.

But since you never leave home you won't have to worry about that happening to you.



About about the threat of cancer and other harmful xrays and crap like that?  

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Re: New full body scanners at Honolulu Airport unveiled
« Reply #72 on: November 17, 2010, 12:14:21 PM »
Then open your own airport.

Otherwise be prepared to deal with any rules the current ones feel like subjecting you to. 

f he can resort to only banning muslims off the planes, he will likely be fine. 

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Re: New full body scanners at Honolulu Airport unveiled
« Reply #73 on: November 17, 2010, 12:18:21 PM »
Then open your own airport.

Otherwise be prepared to deal with any rules the current ones feel like subjecting you to. 

Why? Ever read the 4th Amendment, yeah the one about unreasonable SEARCH and seizure. What probable cause do they have to scan or grope a US citizen? I guess in lib land its perfectly acceptable to bend over let the government violate your rights
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Re: New full body scanners at Honolulu Airport unveiled
« Reply #74 on: November 17, 2010, 03:16:57 PM »
This reminds me of the uproar over the short-lived van cams. 

Local civil rights group sues feds over full-body scans
Rutherford Institute files lawsuit on behalf of two pilots.

November 16, 2010

CHARLOTTESVILLE — A Virginia civil rights group is suing the federal government over the use of airport full-body scanners.

The Rutherford Institute says it has filed a Fourth Amendment lawsuit on behalf of two airline pilots. Those pilots recently refused to go through a controversial whole body imaging scanner, and also refused the alternative, the TSA's new, more invasive pat downs.

The Charlottesville-based Rutherford Institute says both screening procedures violate the Constitution's protection against unreasonable searches and seizures.

Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano and TSA Administrator John Pistole are both named in the lawsuit.

http://www.wtvr.com/news/wtvr-rutherford-institute-tsa-lawsuit-full-body-scan-airport,0,6766717.story