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IFBB Rules? Is Lee Priest right?
« on: August 01, 2006, 11:58:49 PM »
I listened to the radio broadcast and Lee Priest remained calm throughout and made some statements that cannot be ignored. If the IFBB rules state that it is against the rules to use steroids then most professionals are breaking the rules in the Olympia. Can anyone deny or refute this?

Lee is absolutely correct that the IFBB rules are not been enforced except to 'punish' those who do not do what they are told. Lee says the IFBB rules are crap. I agree. I think anyone who reads the constitution of the IFBB and rulebook will agree it has as much integrity as the old USSR constitution that sounded more democratic than the Western democracies. We all know the communists countries were not democracies because you could not remove the government. In the IFBB you cannot remove the president. So that organization is not democratic. It is a dictatorship and now a business. It is not a body governing a sport but a group who makes up rules to control the bodybuilders.

Lee is right. Few bodybuilding men have any 'balls' to speak their minds. Most complain but when approached by officials in the IFBB they cooperate and keep quiet.

What wasn't said in the interview is that Lee probably doesn't like the judging process of the IFBB. He did say he wasn't complaining about the judging but didn't like the rules.

So, is the IFBB being fair in enforcing that bodybuilders are not allowed to compete in other organizations but do not do drug testing or suspend people for felonies and unsavoury behaviour (doing porn, for example).

I wonder if I will ever be invited to appear on Pro bodybuilding weekly? If they think Lee is controversial wait until they hear what I have to say!

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Re: IFBB Rules? Is Lee Priest right?
« Reply #2 on: August 02, 2006, 12:05:43 AM »
How many times has this rule been enforced?

9.4 Threats/Assaults:
Any Member who threatens an Athlete, Judge or Official by word or gesture will
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Committee. Any Member who physically assaults an Athlete, Judge or Official
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Re: IFBB Rules? Is Lee Priest right?
« Reply #3 on: August 02, 2006, 12:06:21 AM »
No offense, but you won't be invited.

I think Lee feels he's doing the right thing, and I think he is as well. I think he was also invited on the show to partake in exactly what unraveled. No matter how they try to hide it, Bob and Shawn ganged up and shouted over Lee and cut him off countless times. It was O'Reilly times 10. Lee remained cool and just kept bringing up the fact that the position the IFBB is taking is indefinitely wrong.

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Re: IFBB Rules? Is Lee Priest right?
« Reply #4 on: August 02, 2006, 12:09:36 AM »
yeah, he's correct.  the IFBB should enforce all rules, or enforce none.  he's got a point but if he does the PDI show, he's gonna get screwed.  i do think lee wants to change things but he will never do it alone.  and he's in this one alone.  he could file a lawsuit but man that could get ugly fast.  he could end the Jose Canseco of bodybuilding.
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Re: IFBB Rules? Is Lee Priest right?
« Reply #5 on: August 02, 2006, 12:22:17 AM »
I wonder about a rule re calves having cuts. I wonder what deduction gynocomastia entails in the judging?

Was Arnold suspended for competing in the 1970 NABBA Universe? Etc. Seems to me Lee is correct and the IFBB enforces exactly the rules that protect the organization but do not benefit the bodybuilders.

By the way, no one can remove Paul Graham as a vice-president representing Australia. There are no elections over here and when some tried to remove Paul years ago he just changed the name of the organization downunder. He also controls bodybuilding a la Ben. It is very much a closed organization.

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Re: IFBB Rules? Is Lee Priest right?
« Reply #6 on: August 02, 2006, 12:54:34 AM »
Basically the IFBB is a company that charges it employees to work for them. The employees do all the work, do all the promoting and take all the sacrifices while the employer (IFBB) reaps all the riches with absolutely 100% indemnity(?).It's really that simple.  And even worse than an employer cause for all the employees do to promote the employer and them money they recieve nothing back. 

No pay
No insurance
No retirement fund
No security
No support
No legal counsel
No freedom
No profit sharing
No Christmas Party
No paid vacations
No per diem
No residuals
No roid allowance

So basically the BB's who compete in the IFBB are..................... ..........

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Re: IFBB Rules? Is Lee Priest right?
« Reply #7 on: August 02, 2006, 12:58:01 AM »
Basically the IFBB is a company that charges it employees to work for them. The employees do all the work, do all the promoting and take all the sacrifices while the employer (IFBB) reaps all the riches with absolutely 100% indemnity(?).It's really that simple.  And even worse than an employer cause for all the employees do to promote the employer and them money they recieve nothing back. 

No pay
No insurance
No retirement fund
No security
No support
No legal counsel
No freedom
No profit sharing
No Christmas Party
No paid vacations
No per diem
No residuals
No roid allowance

So basically the BB's who compete in the IFBB are..................... ..........
But Keith will the PDI be any better? I guess we'll see soon enough...

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Re: IFBB Rules? Is Lee Priest right?
« Reply #8 on: August 02, 2006, 01:17:22 AM »
I wonder what deduction gynocomastia entails in the judging?


You can win the Mr. O with clear and visable gyno (while claiming to be natural as well) ::)

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Re: IFBB Rules? Is Lee Priest right?
« Reply #9 on: August 02, 2006, 04:41:09 AM »
You know, there was Shawn and Chick grilling Lee about competing outside the IFBB and I wondered if they were puppets like Lee claims Bob is? Do they actually believe the rules or do they obey them because if they don't advocate doing so THEY get the boot and lose whatever association they have with the IFBB re reps and promoters. Bob boasts about what he has done for bodybuilders. Who would want his job, anyway? Lee is arguing more for bodybuilders than Bob can while being an official member of the IFBB. The IFBB was once the rebel organization and they promoted free contests that were judged on bodybuilding alone. That was what made them popular and soon Larry Scott and Hugo Labra and Don Howarth and Don Peters and the other lads in California were competing for the IFBB. Chuck Sipes belonged and so did Dave Draper. So did Harold Poole who couldn't win the AAU Mr America because he had a stutter. As long as what the IFBB did benefitted the bodybuilders they were approved of by the bodybuilders. Somehow that power corrupted the IFBB and today look at the mess they have created. Drugs are rife, controversies are endless, and professional bodybuilders cannot survive on what they earn from the sport. We except the few who can. The vast majority holding pro cards make nothing. It costs them to be a professional.

You know, there have been many very good bodybuilders who have been stars in Australia and who went overseas searching for their fortunes. Guys like Terry Mitsos and Adrian Batho came home penniless. John Terelli failed to bring home the bacon. We wonder how Luke is going to fare over there. Only Lee Priest has been a successful professional and from what he tells us his racing is more rewarding than bodybuilding. Lee is popular because he is huge and has unbelievable arms and other bodyparts. I have no doubt supplement companies would love to get his endorsement. However, like I said, Lee is the exception and the rest make nothing out of bodybuilding. Terelli bought a gym in Sydney and Mitsos has a gym. If anyone thinks that the gym business is related to bodybuilding they are mistaken. Batho had two gyms but ended up with none. Paul Graham has a gym but makes more through his other business interests. So there you are. The reality is vastly different from what we read on these forums.

The IFBB had DeMilia running pro contests then had a fall out and gave him the boot. Look at what they are trying to do to him now. That shows how ruthless the IFBB is and I wonder how those who belong to the IFBB can be proud of what they are doing and the state of bodybuilding today. Like Lee said, why don't doctors show up at the Olympia and test all competitors and disqualify everyone?! They are not going to do that so Lee is right that the IFBB is a hypocritical organization that has no integrity at all. Well, not enough to hold their heads high. Those blue blazers do not bestow honour at all. I know judging is a thankless job. However, that whole process has to be rethought.

I listen to Bob say stuff about the bodybuilding scene. Then I see they still count the posedown in contests. Well, they needed the posedown to make sure Bev Francis didn't win a Ms Olympia. She might have won but luckily the errant judges corrected their scores during the posedown. Get rid of that stupid posedown as part of the contest. Have it only for a show. I don't know how bodybuilding has turned into a circus. We have ended up having clowns running everything and no wonder now it is all a big joke.

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Re: IFBB Rules? Is Lee Priest right?
« Reply #10 on: August 02, 2006, 05:11:32 AM »
Since those are internal rules of a private company I dont think its anyone buisness.
If anyone dont like it he/she can quit,no one is making them stay.

If your boss do things that you dont like what do you do? Shut up or quit...same here.
Stop being cry babies.The truth is that if the IFBB will breakdown BB will be demolished as a sport.It will take years to get back to where its at now.


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Re: IFBB Rules? Is Lee Priest right?
« Reply #11 on: August 02, 2006, 05:33:32 AM »
Since those are internal rules of a private company I dont think its anyone buisness.
If anyone dont like it he/she can quit,no one is making them stay.

If your boss do things that you dont like what do you do? Shut up or quit...same here.
Stop being cry babies.The truth is that if the IFBB will breakdown BB will be demolished as a sport.It will take years to get back to where its at now.



Very true, it's all a game just like any job.  Most companies have rules where just some of them are enforced.  And then they end up with unhappy employees....gee just like Lee and others in the IFBB.

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Re: IFBB Rules? Is Lee Priest right?
« Reply #12 on: August 02, 2006, 05:35:43 AM »
Lloyd Landis tested positive for testosterone after his Tour de France cycling win. Read what someone wrote about drugs ruining sports.

http://thefacts.com/story.lasso?ewcd=f593b8bab00cb3e3

Ben Johnson broke the world record in the 100 metre sprint in Korea in 1988. Today he is now remembered for being a drug cheat.

What is the situation in our beloved bodybuilding? There are no drug tests at the professional level. It is now common knowledge that every top competitor in the Olympia uses who knows what to compete. How in hell is bodybuilding going to be accepted if most use drugs and there is no testing? Answer: never!

The IFBB are now in a tight corner because the rival professional organization of DeMilia would attract open competitors is the IFBB seriously clamped down on drug use. You know, surprise testing 3 times a year for all competitors and life bans for usage. Life bans for synthol use, etc.

The price we are paying for allowing drug use is that we have no respect any more. Even natural bodybuilders get tarnished with the drug label because it is so widespread in bodybuilding. Even some of the women bodybuilders use drugs and that has virtually killed that section of the sport.

So, what are we supposed to do? Wait until Ben Weider dies and then try to resurrect our pastime/sport? If we give life bans to all drug users there won't be many competitors left to be in contests! That is just unthinkable so the people in charge play down the drug use and abuse and carry on as usual. Lee Priest is right. Bring doctors to the Olympia and test all the men and women who compete in bodybuilding and the other contests. Nothing less is going to work. If some figure out a way to beat the testing then polygraphs and random testing have to be done, too. We have to clean up the sport, not the DEA.

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Re: IFBB Rules? Is Lee Priest right?
« Reply #13 on: August 02, 2006, 06:03:02 AM »
How many times has this rule been enforced?

9.4 Threats/Assaults:
Any Member who threatens an Athlete, Judge or Official by word or gesture will
be immediately suspended
for a period of time to be determined by the Pro
Committee. Any Member who physically assaults an Athlete, Judge or Official
will be immediately expelled.

Those rules apply to officials as well.Did i miss Steve's suspension or fine when he flipped of the crowd or yells at them.

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Re: IFBB Rules? Is Lee Priest right?
« Reply #14 on: August 02, 2006, 07:27:12 AM »
Steve Weinberger stayed at my place for a couple of days in 1988 when Ray Mentzer was staying at my place. Matter of fact Roz and I gave up our kingsized bed for them. I ended up with a sore back sleeping on the bedsitter! Well, let me say this, how is a guy like Steve judging contests? Bev is a good judge and an honest person. There he was in Pumping Iron II wondering why Bev placed 8th in Las Vegas in 1983. Now he is one of them. You gotta love those New York boys. Since he stayed at my place I told him I would have somewhere to stay if I was in New York. His answer? "Don't bother!" Gotta love that accent. Hey, guys, you are all copying Arnold the way you say BAWDYbuilding. Sounds funny to hear Bob Chick say it like that.

Keep up the fight, Lee, you have a lot of support.

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Re: IFBB Rules? Is Lee Priest right?
« Reply #15 on: August 02, 2006, 08:29:15 AM »
Those rules apply to officials as well.Did i miss Steve's suspension or fine when he flipped of the crowd or yells at them.

Well, if you want to get technical...those rules werent present when that took place. The amendment to the "conduct" portion were only added about 2 years ago.

Come on , Lee...if they followed those rules to the letter...YOU would have been suspended a long time ago for your comments.

Do you believe they should enforce these rules, lee?

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Re: IFBB Rules? Is Lee Priest right?
« Reply #16 on: August 02, 2006, 08:30:16 AM »
Well, if you want to get technical...those rules werent present when that took place. The amendment to the "conduct" portion were only added about 2 years ago.

Come on , Lee...if they followed those rules to the letter...YOU would have been suspended a long time ago for your comments.

Do you believe they should enforce these rules, lee?

If they are rules then hell yes. That or take them out of the rules.

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Re: IFBB Rules? Is Lee Priest right?
« Reply #17 on: August 02, 2006, 08:36:19 AM »
as i stated in the sarcasm/alexx posts im no  priest fan..but he made excellent comments..and there are double standards in the rules


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Re: IFBB Rules? Is Lee Priest right?
« Reply #18 on: August 02, 2006, 08:41:57 AM »
Basically the PDI is a company that charges it employees to work for them. The employees do all the work, do all the promoting and take all the sacrifices while the employer (PDI) reaps all the riches with absolutely 100% indemnity(?).It's really that simple.  And even worse than an employer cause for all the employees do to promote the employer and them money they recieve nothing back.

No pay
No insurance
No retirement fund
No security
No support
No legal counsel
No freedom
No profit sharing
No Christmas Party
No paid vacations
No per diem
No residuals
No roid allowance

So basically the BB's who compete in the PDI are.....................




Here you go KEITH, Just though I would help you out a little...

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Re: IFBB Rules? Is Lee Priest right?
« Reply #19 on: August 02, 2006, 08:45:44 AM »
ok bob...interesting post what is the pdi winnings..noone will answer me on here or mayhem

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Re: IFBB Rules? Is Lee Priest right?
« Reply #20 on: August 02, 2006, 09:11:53 AM »
ok bob...interesting post what is the pdi winnings..noone will answer me on here or mayhem

IF the show takes place...I believe the purse is $30K, $15K to the winner and so on....

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Re: IFBB Rules? Is Lee Priest right?
« Reply #21 on: August 02, 2006, 09:14:12 AM »
ok bob...interesting post what is the pdi winnings..noone will answer me on here or mayhem


prolly because you're a DS

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Re: IFBB Rules? Is Lee Priest right?
« Reply #22 on: August 02, 2006, 01:23:28 PM »
funny u say that because those are my initials..

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Re: IFBB Rules? Is Lee Priest right?
« Reply #23 on: August 02, 2006, 01:26:00 PM »
funny u say that because those are my initials..

 DEE Snider???????

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Re: IFBB Rules? Is Lee Priest right?
« Reply #24 on: August 02, 2006, 01:26:48 PM »
DEE Snider???????
no that guy is way better looking than "newmom".
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