NFL - Washington Redskins - time to change the name

[youandme]

Yeah, the Dallas back-up defensive line was destroying their offense. Dallas kept the three man blitz going strong the entire game.

[MikMaq]

Lol seriously redskins isn't a mild slur. You might as well call a team the coons.

[Thick Nick]

Lol seriously redskins isn't a mild slur. You might as well call a team the coons.

Actually I read somewhere the name really comes from the scalped victims of certain tribes... Not the color of the actual Indian skin. The victims scalps were redskins for obvious reasons. Not 100% sure if correct. Either way:

Political correctness is the work of The devil... Also islams biggest weapon against us. This made up controversy is ridiculous. I'm Italian if a team was named the greasers... Not a single fuck would be given.

[youandme]

Actually I read somewhere the name really comes from the scalped victims of certain tribes... Not the color of the actual Indian skin. The victims scalps were redskins for obvious reasons. Not 100% sure if correct. Either way:

That's some interesting history on the name and puts it into perspective as being a 'fierce' name to choose for a football team.

Political correctness seems to destroy our history at times.

Funny you mention being Italian, people don't realize Italians were one of the largest prejudiced groups of immigrants in America.

[dario73]

Bob Costas is an idiot.

If it's a slur, then someone should tell Native Americans.




http://www.theglobaldispatch.com/redskins-must-offend-the-white-man-because-90-of-native-americans-are-not-89001/



The headlines are sprinkled with renewed outrage over the Washington Redskins name, fueled in part by President Obama comment that the team should change their name.

A CBS article from Thursday asks “How Many Native Americans Think ‘Redskins’ Is s Slur?” but rambles trying to prove their opening assertion: “…it’s unclear how many Native Americans think “Redskins” is a racial slur.”

The article attempts to proclaim there are millions and millions of Native Americans and no polling data to determine their outrage over the mascots of sports teams.

In fact, in 2004 the National Annenberg Election Survey found that 90% of those surveyed didn’t find it offensive.

  

[dario73]

President Obama said in an AP interview last Friday that "a sizable group" of Native American Indians don't like the name 'Redskins' for the Washington NFL football team.

One tribe in North Carolina with about 1,200 members has something to say about Obama's marketing ploy to pressure a private enterprise to cave to a special interest's crusade.

Some members of the Croatan Indians of Sampson County, that can trace their origins back to 1650, provided statements. When remarking on Obama's meddling with the Redskins' name, Randy Davis of Godwin said:

Having spent years in DC and being a Croatan Indian, it sickens me to see President Obama weighing in on a team who gave me hope as a Native American in my youth. The President's time would be better spent asking NC Governor Pat McCrory why his office is currently ignoring the pleas for whistle blower protection from the Croatan Indians of Sampson County NC.

Other Croatans offered their take on the president's comments. Trina Maynor made the suggestion to attach the Croatan name to the "Washington Redskins so they will be achieving what our county, state, and federal authorities have failed to do -- acknowledge us as real Indians that really do exist."

Farrell Howard said he is "not offended by the term Redskins used as the name of a professional team. They are warriors and survivors and a great name for a team." And James Davis was emphatic when he said, "the Redskins are the genuine article, just as the Croatan Indians of Sampson County are legitimate. It seems anyone real must be bashed by those whose identity is in doubt. Leave the Redskins alone."

The Croatans know about battling to keep their name. They exist,

[240 is Back]

Perhaps the NE "Patriots" name is offensive to British fans that supported King George during the Revolutionary War.

And I"m sure TB "Buccaneers" is offensive to anyone who's ever been hijacked by actual pirates.

And if you've ever been bitten in the penis by a Dolphin while swimming nude in the Gulf, well, you're no Miami fan...

[youandme]

Chain of causation: Obama gives his usual presidential opinion into matters that are irrelevant to his office and a left news organization highlights his non-important opinion to try to turn it into having some sort of legitimate purpose.

Make no misake though Roger Goodell is an Obama ass kisser. Like that time he had  Hank Williams Jr. dismissed/fired over his opinionated remarks concerning his views of Obama. Now we can't enjoy "are you ready for some football" on Monday nights. Soon Redskins will have to change their name to some team mascot animal.    

[King Shizzo]

Perhaps the NE "Patriots" name is offensive to British fans that supported King George during the Revolutionary War.

And I"m sure TB "Buccaneers" is offensive to anyone who's ever been hijacked by actual pirates.

And if you've ever been bitten in the penis by a Dolphin while swimming nude in the Gulf, well, you're no Miami fan...

So dumb but so right.

[Shockwave]

Being a roll card carrying native american (even though im white as the day is long), this is just more politicalky correct BS where an extremely small percentage of a group is offended so a much larger non offenddd group feels the need to take up the charge and make things "fair" for the couple of offended bitches.

People need to grow the fuck up... life isnt fair, things are offensive, and you shouldnt expect hundreds of years of tradition to change just because you feel butthurt.

FYI - redskin was originally used by the natives to differentiate themselves from the Europeans.

[Mr. MB]

When sports teams work with the Native Americans in their area they have a great relationship....the Seminoles. That tribe is honored as being strong, brave, macho etc. As are the Irish honored with ND. I sure the Fightining Illini are also so honored.

Washington should contact the Algonquin tribe where during the time of the pilgrims their fiercest warriors painted themselves red and were called Redskins.

Stanford wanted a strong and fierce macho name for their sports teams. Indians. What an horor. No? OK lets change it to a color, Cardinal, and our mascot will be a metrosexual redwood tree.

I give up!!

[The_Punisher]

The only insult is how the Redskins are playing this year.

Thanks....

[OzmO]

This just in:

The Washington Redskins are going to change their name because of all the hatred, violence, lying, and hostility associated with their name.

From now on they will be known simply as the Redskins.

[whork]

Really?  Are you out of your fucking mind?  I'm just curious.  Whenever I connect with someone who claims or does something breathtaking, I have to check sanity.

So the US society does not view the word 'redskin' as an insult?  I can give you hundreds of links dating back over years that crush your view.  Now do you want to reconsider your position the word redskin is not an insult?  Come on man.  Honesty is the first step.

Is whiteskin also an insult?

[Dos Equis]

Documents: Anti-Redskins Indian leader not a legitimate member of his tribe
9:17 PM 10/14/2013
Patrick Howley
 
The American Indian leader spearheading the campaign to change the name of the Washington Redskins is not a legitimate member of the tribe he leads, according to a New York State Assemblywoman, but rather an Obama crony who is raking in casino money and paying back only small stipends to his tribe members.

Oneida Nation Representative Ray Halbritter, who is also the CEO of Oneida Nation Enterprises, is not recognized in his position by the Grand Council of Chiefs governing the Six Nations Iroquois Confederacy. Halbritter is not a legitimate member of the Oneida tribe, Assemblywoman Claudia Tenney told The Daily Caller.

“He is not even technically an Oneida. There is not a drop of Oneida in him,” Tenney said.

Halbritter traces his lineage back to a woman who lived on traditional Iroquois Confederacy land, but as a non-member of the Six Nations.

A microcopy of 1885-1940 Indian Census Rolls from the National Archives of the United States, obtained by The Daily Caller, disputes Halbritter’s claim to have one-fourth Oneida blood on his mother’s side. The Oneida Indian Nation of New York determines membership by matrilineal descent and requires “a blood quantum of 1/4 degree,” according to its constitution, submitted to a former official of the U.S. Department of the Interior in 1994.

The document lists Lucy Carpenter, Halbitter’s great-great grandmother on the “Census of Indians residing upon the Oneida Reservation who do not belong to the Six Nations.”

Many Indians whose families left New York attempted to get back into the Six Nations during this period to take advantage of various treaties.

Lucy Carpenter’s daughter Christina Cornelius, born in Canada, had a daughter in New York named Mary Cornelius, who later married and changed her name to “Mary Winder” and had a daughter in New York named Gloria Winder, who went on to have a son with a man named “Ramon Halbritter.” That son was Arthur “Ray” Halbritter, the current Representative of the Oneida Nation, according to documents obtained by TheDC.

Halbritter ancestor Lucy Carpenter’s expulsion from the Six Nations, according to the 1885-1940 Census Rolls, invalidates Halbritter’s claim to one-fourth Oneida heritage on his mother’s side, according to Tenney.

“He has no ancestry in the Six Nations but he has a lot of powerful friends in D.C.,” Tenney said.

Halbritter attended a January 27, 2012 fundraiser with President Obama in Washington, D.C. with 70 Indian leaders. The $15,000 to $35,800 fundraiser raised up to $2.5 million for Obama’s re-election campaign.

“The president was most gracious and kind in his remarks,” Halbritter said after the event to a media network owned by his nation’s company, noting that Obama is doing more to reach out to Indian tribes than any president in his experience.

Obama recently said that if he was the owner of the Redskins, he would “think about changing it [the team name].”

http://dailycaller.com/2013/10/14/documents-anti-redskins-indian-leader-not-a-legitimate-member-of-his-tribe/#ixzz2hpieCBZ7

[OzmO]

Imagine that lol.

[Shockwave]

Imagine that lol.

par for the couse. Seems its always someone else getting offended on someones behalf.... shit drives me crazy.  Why the fuck should someone get butthurt if the people themselves dont?

[OzmO]

par for the couse. Seems its always someone else getting offended on someones behalf.... shit drives me crazy.  Why the fuck should someone get butthurt if the people themselves dont?

Money

[Skip8282]

This just in:

The Washington Redskins are going to change their name because of all the hatred, violence, lying, and hostility associated with their name.

From now on they will be known simply as the Redskins.

lol

[Mr.1derful]

This just in:

The Washington Redskins are going to change their name because of all the hatred, violence, lying, and hostility associated with their name.

From now on they will be known simply as the Redskins.

Well played.   

[Dos Equis]

Bob Costas: You'd Be Offended by 'Redskins' - If You'd Just 'Think for a Moment'
October 14, 2013
By Craig Bannister

After using an NFL halftime show to attack the Second Amendment last December, Bob Costas turned his sights on the First Amendment during last night's Redskins-Cowboys game.

Costas used his platform on the nationally televised NFL game - not to discuss football - but to voice his indignation at the Washington "Redskins" team name.

He began by admitting that the team intends no insult to Native Americans, and that even Native Americans themselves don't mind the name:

"There's no reason to believe that owner Dan Snyder, or any official or player from his team harbors animus towards Native Americans or wishes to disrespect them. This is undoubtedly also true of the vast majority of those who don't think twice about the long-standing moniker. And, in fact, as best as can be determined, even a majority (90 percent, apparently) of Native Americans says they're not offended."

Then came the lecture.

"But, having stipulated that, there's still a distinction to be made," Costas declared, launching into a list of teams with what he deemed less problematic names that changed their names in order to avoid risking offense.

Costas then argued that the people who don't mind the "Redskins" name would actually realize that it's "an insult, a slur" and be offended - if they'd just bother to "think for a moment":

"And the Miami of Ohio Redskins - that's right, Redskins - are now the Redhawks. Still, the NFL franchise that represents the nation's capital has maintained its name.

"But think for a moment about the term 'Redskins,' and how it truly differs from all the others. Ask yourself what the equivalent would be if directed toward African Americans, Hispanics, Asians, or members of any other ethnic group.

"When considered that way, 'Redskins' can't possibly honor a heritage or a noble character trait. Nor can it possibly be considered a neutral term. It's an insult, a slur, no matter how benign the present-day intent.

"It's fair to say that for a long time now, and certainly in 2013, no offense has been intended. But if you take a step back, isn't it easy to see how offense might legitimately be taken?"

So:

•A "vast majority" of people intend no insult and aren't offended,
•A "majority of Native Americans says they're not offended,"
•Owner Dan Snyder and the entire Redskins organization don't harbor or intend any disrespect
But, if people would just "think for a moment," they'd "see how offense might legitimately be taken" - that "It's an insult, a slur, no matter how benign the present-day intent."

And, what's with the benign "present-day intent" qualifier - as if the team, at its creation, might have chosen to call itself a name that was actually intended to be self-loathing?

So, it seems, it doesn't matter how you mean it - it matters how someone else interprets it...even if that someone else isn't a membered of the supposedly offended group.

In any case, Sean Hannity doesn't go on the NFL channel to preach about the deficit, so why should football fans have to be brow-beaten by Costas over the name "Redskins"?

http://cnsnews.com/mrctv-blog/craig-bannister/bob-costas-youd-be-offended-redskins-if-youd-just-think-moment

[OzmO]

Costas lol.  He should just stick to sports. 

[Dos Equis]

Costas lol.  He should just stick to sports. 

Yeah.  His social commentary often sucks.

[240 is Back]

Why are we talking about this and not the actual problems facing america?

Shame on all of us for falling into this trap.  I do it myself as well.  Obama looks like shit on the debt crisis or shutdown, so he makes a bonehead comment about a beer summit or NFL team name, and that knocks everything off the headlines. 

[Dos Equis]

I hope he stands his ground.

Poll: 59 percent see why 'Redskins' is offensive to Native Americans
By John Breech | CBSSports.com
October 16, 2013
 
The Redskins' controversy doesn't appear to be going away any time soon. (USATSI)
On Oct. 9, Washington Redskins owner Daniel Snyder wrote an open letter to fans explaining why the team wouldn't be changing its name. Snyder cited several polls in his letter, among them, an AP poll taken in May where 79 percent of respondents said they didn't have a problem with the Redskins name.

A new poll was released on Wednesday and it's safe to say that Snyder probably won't be referencing any time soon. In a poll commissioned by the Oneida Indian Nation, 59 percent of respondents say Native Americans have a right to feel offended by the term Redskins.

Among Redskins fans polled, a total of 46 percent of respondents said a name change would not lessen their support for the team. Another 23 percent said that a name change would actually make them even more of a Washington fan.

The poll of 500 adults in the Washington D.C. area was conducted by SurveyUSA and has a margin of error of plus or minus 4.4 percent.

In his letter, Snyder said he respects people who disagree, but he has no plans to change the team's name.

I respect the opinions of those who disagree. I want them to know that I do hear them, and I will continue to listen and learn. But we cannot ignore our 81 year history, or the strong feelings of most of our fans as well as Native Americans throughout the country. After 81 years, the team name "Redskins" continues to hold the memories and meaning of where we came from, who we are, and who we want to be in the years to come.

The NFL plans to meet with representatives of the Oneida Indian Nation in November to have a conversation about the Redskins team name. Snyder's been invited to attend, but has yet to confirm if he'll be there. Among those polled, 77 percent of respondents believe Snyder should attend.

"You cannot poll morality, and our hope is that Mr. Synder will demonstrate true leadership and change the offensive name, not because of what any public opinion studies show, but because it's the right thing to do," Oneida Indian Nation representative Ray Halbritter said. "However, this polling information is valuable because it shows that the team has nothing to fear economically by changing its name. In fact, the data indicates that the team stands to actually gain support from its fans by finally making the right decision and changing the name."

President Obama and NFL commissioner Roger Goodell both seem open to a name change, but as Goodell said in September, the decision is ultimately Snyder's to make.

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on-football/24092567/poll-59-percent-see-why-redskins-name-is-offensive-to-native-americans