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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: Bast175 on March 17, 2008, 01:28:30 PM
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The end has come for one of the most influencial and most highly debated bodybuilding gurus. Tis a sad day indeed when we lose the guidance of one of the most valued members of our community ::) Layne Norton, a self proclaimed guru, passed away at 4:30 noon yesterday in the comforts of his gym. Gold is in bold.
JUICY COP2 (2:46:09 PM): i saw it on facebook
JUICY COP2 (2:46:13 PM): apparently you researched it
Carolinegresh (2:46:14 PM): Reverse Rubber Band Bench Presses
JUICY COP2 (2:46:19 PM): AHHHHHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHA
JUICY COP2 (2:46:21 PM): wow
JUICY COP2 (2:46:35 PM): i swear reverse grip is bad for just about everything man
JUICY COP2 (2:46:40 PM): quickest way to tear anything
JUICY COP2 (2:46:43 PM): it really is
Carolinegresh (2:46:49 PM): he was using 500 plus lbs
JUICY COP2 (2:46:50 PM): it makes your tendons vunerable
JUICY COP2 (2:46:55 PM): fucking idiot
Carolinegresh (2:46:59 PM): totally delusional
JUICY COP2 (2:47:04 PM): man just turning the wrist i can feel the vunerability
JUICY COP2 (2:47:09 PM): he thought he was fucking ronnie coleman
JUICY COP2 (2:47:11 PM): hahahahha
JUICY COP2 (2:47:12 PM): epic
JUICY COP2 (2:47:26 PM): maybe he can put his smarmy four eyedness into something productive now
JUICY COP2 (2:47:29 PM): like engineering
JUICY COP2 (2:47:30 PM): hahahahaha
JUICY COP2 (2:47:36 PM): or reading the bible 2 inches from his face
Carolinegresh (2:47:41 PM): The bad news is this pec tear is a worst case scenario pec tear. He actually thinks some of the tearing is in the muscle belly itself and is unrepairable. He is not even sure that surgery will help it at all but the only way to find out is to get in there and see. This is the only chance I've got to get this thing better and so I have to take the risk.
JUICY COP2 (2:47:56 PM): he is the kind of guy who does math equations with his face literally an inch from the paper
JUICY COP2 (2:48:01 PM): he thinks it enhances his performance
JUICY COP2 (2:48:19 PM): his eyes become acustomed to it and began to appear as if they are merging towards his nose
JUICY COP2 (2:48:38 PM): he has to buy tighter fitting glasses adding to the smarminess of his appearance
Carolinegresh (2:48:50 PM): L:OOLOL yes
Carolinegresh (2:48:52 PM): he says
Carolinegresh (2:49:02 PM): it will take over a year
JUICY COP2 (2:49:02 PM): his forhead develops a greasier texture as an evolutionary adaption to reflect the light from the paper
Carolinegresh (2:49:03 PM): to heal
JUICY COP2 (2:49:05 PM): hahahah good
Carolinegresh (2:49:21 PM): and he has to be in a sling
Carolinegresh (2:49:23 PM): for most of it
Carolinegresh (2:49:30 PM): hahah he will atrophy
Carolinegresh (2:49:31 PM): fast
Carolinegresh (2:51:43 PM): http://forum.bodybuilding.com/attach...1&d=1204729259
Carolinegresh (2:51:44 PM): fat
JUICY COP2 (2:52:02 PM): is that after the injury
JUICY COP2 (2:52:06 PM): ahh i can see it
Carolinegresh (2:52:09 PM): a little after
JUICY COP2 (2:52:12 PM): it hasnt gotten bad yet
Carolinegresh (2:52:12 PM): its funny
Carolinegresh (2:52:16 PM): its the worst possible
Carolinegresh (2:52:19 PM): but looks
Carolinegresh (2:52:21 PM): not so bad
JUICY COP2 (2:52:21 PM): but it will soon once that muscle atrophies away
Carolinegresh (2:52:32 PM): he didnt think he was injured
Carolinegresh (2:52:33 PM): at first
Carolinegresh (2:52:38 PM): lolol he has the Flu now too
JUICY COP2 (2:52:38 PM): yeah alot of people dont
Carolinegresh (2:52:39 PM): ROFLMAO
JUICY COP2 (2:52:46 PM): give it a year
JUICY COP2 (2:52:48 PM): it will look awful
JUICY COP2 (2:53:03 PM): i imagine he will have a bitch tit flair up too
JUICY COP2 (2:53:09 PM): i can tell just by looking
JUICY COP2 (2:53:14 PM): he will probably get out of shape pretty bad
JUICY COP2 (2:53:19 PM): although this is just speculation
JUICY COP2 (2:53:28 PM): ill make another of my famous predictions
Carolinegresh (2:53:35 PM): hahah
Carolinegresh (2:53:45 PM): yah he says it is permanent
JUICY COP2 (2:53:48 PM): he will get horribly out of shape and probably return to it at the age of 33-40 with a burning desire to compete again
Carolinegresh (2:53:56 PM): lololol yes
Carolinegresh (2:54:02 PM): and look awful
JUICY COP2 (2:54:03 PM): and he will look awful
JUICY COP2 (2:54:04 PM): yes
JUICY COP2 (2:54:05 PM): hahahah
Carolinegresh (2:54:11 PM): he may as well juice now
JUICY COP2 (2:54:16 PM): nah
JUICY COP2 (2:54:18 PM): he is through
JUICY COP2 (2:54:25 PM): he should let it heal then lean out
JUICY COP2 (2:54:30 PM): just do some light stuff
JUICY COP2 (2:54:35 PM): get the matt damon physique
Carolinegresh (2:54:36 PM): hahah he says there is a huge gap
Carolinegresh (2:54:41 PM): in his chest
JUICY COP2 (2:54:45 PM): i can see it
JUICY COP2 (2:55:02 PM): you can see the smarminess in that picture alone
JUICY COP2 (2:55:10 PM): the uneven goatee
Carolinegresh (2:55:13 PM): hahah yes
JUICY COP2 (2:55:15 PM): the snarl of the upper lip
JUICY COP2 (2:55:17 PM): the pink hue
Carolinegresh (2:55:22 PM): think about
Carolinegresh (2:55:25 PM): all the people
Carolinegresh (2:55:31 PM): that fed his ego and delusion
JUICY COP2 (2:55:34 PM): yes
Carolinegresh (2:55:36 PM): which led to that injury
JUICY COP2 (2:55:49 PM): im going to drop him a line on facebook
JUICY COP2 (2:55:54 PM): although ill be friendly
Carolinegresh (2:56:10 PM): now is the time
Carolinegresh (2:56:13 PM): to drive the nails
Carolinegresh (2:56:16 PM): even further
Carolinegresh (2:56:17 PM): in the coffin
JUICY COP2 (2:56:22 PM): funny think is he has seen my pictures many time yet id imagine he doesnt have the faintess clue who this gentleman is who is pming him
JUICY COP2 (2:56:32 PM): yes i encourage you to
JUICY COP2 (2:56:44 PM): ill see if i cant add a hint of it into my letter
Carolinegresh (2:57:15 PM): haha yah
Carolinegresh (2:57:23 PM): the smarmy NEVER focus well
Carolinegresh (2:57:29 PM): he doesnt know your pics!
Carolinegresh (2:57:33 PM): even though
Carolinegresh (2:57:42 PM): youve talked to him many times
Carolinegresh (3:00:10 PM): hahah
Carolinegresh (3:00:13 PM): here is the story
Carolinegresh (3:00:17 PM): of layne
Carolinegresh (3:00:22 PM): from his own words
Carolinegresh (3:00:24 PM): its worth a look
Carolinegresh (3:00:27 PM): http://forums.musculardevelopment.com/showthread.php?t=4226&page=202
JUICY COP2 (3:00:46 PM): hahah its funny how we need multiple view points, like rewinding someone getting knocked out during a football game and laughing everytime
JUICY COP2 (3:00:53 PM): too bad we dont have the video of him screaming
Carolinegresh (3:00:53 PM): looolol yes
Carolinegresh (3:00:56 PM): hahaaha
JUICY COP2 (3:00:58 PM): that would be the nail
Carolinegresh (3:01:01 PM): LOL yes he screamed
Carolinegresh (3:01:02 PM): hahah
Carolinegresh (3:01:03 PM): LOL
JUICY COP2 (3:01:04 PM): hahaha
Carolinegresh (3:01:05 PM): the before
Carolinegresh (3:01:07 PM): and the after
JUICY COP2 (3:01:08 PM): haha yes
Carolinegresh (3:01:09 PM): lolol
JUICY COP2 (3:01:11 PM): over and over and over
Carolinegresh (3:01:21 PM): haah Isabelle was even there
Carolinegresh (3:01:26 PM): hahhaha
Carolinegresh (3:01:32 PM): we could hit him so bad
Carolinegresh (3:01:42 PM): "isabelle wont even want you in time"
JUICY COP2 (3:01:50 PM): lopl
JUICY COP2 (3:01:51 PM): omg
Carolinegresh (3:01:53 PM): Broken Pec, Wide Waist, Skinny Legs
JUICY COP2 (3:02:01 PM): engineer face
JUICY COP2 (3:02:02 PM): hahahaha
JUICY COP2 (3:02:22 PM): "Tonight was Max Effort bench day"
JUICY COP2 (3:02:25 PM): that says it all
Carolinegresh (3:02:29 PM): lolol
JUICY COP2 (3:02:39 PM): i dont understand why you need to go past 315 on bench really
Carolinegresh (3:02:43 PM): I like how the inital dr. thought it just a severe strain
Carolinegresh (3:02:52 PM): when it turns out it was worst case pec tear possible
Carolinegresh (3:03:02 PM): yah really
Carolinegresh (3:03:18 PM): you gotta be doing something REALLY stupid to injure your chest as a natural
JUICY COP2 (3:03:25 PM): I screamed "NO!" at the top of my lungs.
JUICY COP2 (3:03:32 PM): ohh that ever so faitful moment
Carolinegresh (3:03:35 PM): lolol imagine being in the gym
JUICY COP2 (3:03:36 PM): when i screamed no
Carolinegresh (3:03:37 PM): for that one
JUICY COP2 (3:03:39 PM): yes
Carolinegresh (3:03:42 PM): hahahha
JUICY COP2 (3:03:42 PM): id pay for ticketes
Carolinegresh (3:03:46 PM): hahhaah LOLOOLLOL
Carolinegresh (3:03:50 PM): they probably thought
JUICY COP2 (3:03:56 PM): thats when his world collapsed on him
Carolinegresh (3:03:57 PM): he was up to his usual delusions
Carolinegresh (3:04:05 PM): lololol
JUICY COP2 (3:04:09 PM): he kned
JUICY COP2 (3:04:10 PM): knew*
JUICY COP2 (3:04:16 PM): like the cat and the greyhound
Carolinegresh (3:04:17 PM): hahha his world is a dark cloud now
JUICY COP2 (3:04:19 PM): he knew at that moment
JUICY COP2 (3:04:20 PM): it was over
Carolinegresh (3:04:21 PM): ROFLAMOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
Carolinegresh (3:04:23 PM): yes
JUICY COP2 (3:04:35 PM): hahah yes and to think he will never have any credibility anymore
Carolinegresh (3:04:38 PM): im so glad for this
Carolinegresh (3:04:41 PM): hahah yes
Carolinegresh (3:04:47 PM): it needed to happen
JUICY COP2 (3:04:50 PM): indeed
JUICY COP2 (3:04:54 PM): intellectual bashing
JUICY COP2 (3:04:56 PM): hahahahaha
Carolinegresh (3:04:59 PM): LOLOL
Carolinegresh (3:05:08 PM): I mean you could tell
JUICY COP2 (3:05:09 PM): the tables have turned
Carolinegresh (3:05:17 PM): he was pushing it
JUICY COP2 (3:05:20 PM): it was bound to happen with all that crazy lifting
Carolinegresh (3:05:22 PM): like I bet
Carolinegresh (3:05:26 PM): when he first started
Carolinegresh (3:05:28 PM): he was sensible
Carolinegresh (3:05:32 PM): didnt go too heavy
JUICY COP2 (3:05:35 PM): ill still give him credit, he has some fairly impressive lifts for a natural
Carolinegresh (3:05:43 PM): yeah he does
JUICY COP2 (3:05:51 PM): its funny though
JUICY COP2 (3:05:55 PM): we take pleasure in his misfortune
Carolinegresh (3:05:58 PM): hahhaa yes
JUICY COP2 (3:06:00 PM): in his darkest hour
JUICY COP2 (3:06:03 PM): his life is over
Carolinegresh (3:06:06 PM): we predicted it though
JUICY COP2 (3:06:21 PM): the very delusions that fueled him to the top brought him to his end
Carolinegresh (3:06:26 PM): lol just think
JUICY COP2 (3:06:30 PM): we should make a video with the funeral trumpet
JUICY COP2 (3:06:32 PM): show his pics
Carolinegresh (3:06:35 PM): all those wasted chicken breasts
JUICY COP2 (3:06:37 PM): and his pec tear pic
Carolinegresh (3:06:38 PM): LOLOLOL yes
Carolinegresh (3:06:42 PM): LOLOLOL
JUICY COP2 (3:06:43 PM): hahah yes
JUICY COP2 (3:06:45 PM): and to think
JUICY COP2 (3:06:49 PM): all the chickens that had to die
JUICY COP2 (3:06:51 PM): so he could look so dumb
Carolinegresh (3:06:52 PM): hahhahahhh
JUICY COP2 (3:06:53 PM): hahahhaha
Carolinegresh (3:06:55 PM): LOLOL
Carolinegresh (3:07:06 PM): I bet he no longer will "eat" like a bodybuilder
Carolinegresh (3:07:10 PM): and rationalize
Carolinegresh (3:07:12 PM): and get all fat
JUICY COP2 (3:07:23 PM): i dont think that individual is capable of logic
JUICY COP2 (3:07:27 PM): he needs coaxing
Carolinegresh (3:07:30 PM): hahhaa yah
Carolinegresh (3:07:38 PM): I cant wait to see him this time
Carolinegresh (3:07:40 PM): next year
JUICY COP2 (3:07:43 PM): hahahhaa
Carolinegresh (3:07:46 PM): you know he will post pics
JUICY COP2 (3:07:49 PM): christmas
Carolinegresh (3:07:51 PM): part of his "journey"
JUICY COP2 (3:07:54 PM): hahah yes
JUICY COP2 (3:07:58 PM): the odessey
Carolinegresh (3:08:02 PM): LOLOLOLOOLOLOLL
JUICY COP2 (3:08:03 PM): hahah
Carolinegresh (3:08:06 PM): im dying over here
Carolinegresh (3:08:07 PM): hahahha
JUICY COP2 (3:08:08 PM): the muses caused his downfall
Carolinegresh (3:08:09 PM): loolool
JUICY COP2 (3:08:10 PM): hahah yes
Carolinegresh (3:08:23 PM): hahha ive got your little pic of food here too
Carolinegresh (3:08:27 PM): thinking about Layne
Carolinegresh (3:08:28 PM): hahahha
JUICY COP2 (3:08:29 PM): hahahah yes
JUICY COP2 (3:08:32 PM): the whey
Carolinegresh (3:08:34 PM): LOLOL
JUICY COP2 (3:08:35 PM): chocolate flavored
Carolinegresh (3:08:40 PM): how he used to love those foods
JUICY COP2 (3:08:44 PM): hahah yes
JUICY COP2 (3:08:53 PM): god forbid he get any trans fats
Carolinegresh (3:08:53 PM): he would brag about grocery day
JUICY COP2 (3:08:58 PM): did he?
JUICY COP2 (3:08:59 PM): hahahah
JUICY COP2 (3:09:01 PM): epic
Carolinegresh (3:09:05 PM): hahhaha grocery day will never be the same now
JUICY COP2 (3:09:18 PM): it will be a depressing reminded of the former man he once was
Carolinegresh (3:09:21 PM): hahahha all his muscle T shirts
Carolinegresh (3:09:23 PM): LOLOLOL
JUICY COP2 (3:09:23 PM): and the goals he could never attain
JUICY COP2 (3:09:26 PM): yes
Carolinegresh (3:09:27 PM): he will have to throw away
JUICY COP2 (3:09:30 PM): all the painful reminders
Carolinegresh (3:09:34 PM): or just look stupid
Carolinegresh (3:09:37 PM): wearing them
Carolinegresh (3:09:56 PM): hahahahha all the underarmour
JUICY COP2 (3:10:10 PM): he will tell his sons of these stories and thus goes the endless cycle of offspring chasing unattainble and silly goals
JUICY COP2 (3:10:34 PM): he has ruined his next generation already
Carolinegresh (3:10:45 PM): llolool yes he has
JUICY COP2 (3:10:51 PM): you know he will recollect of his days as a bodybuilder
Carolinegresh (3:10:54 PM): LOLOL he cnat be smarmy layne anymore
Carolinegresh (3:11:00 PM): like in time
Carolinegresh (3:11:05 PM): nobody will take him serious
Carolinegresh (3:11:09 PM): because he will look awful
JUICY COP2 (3:11:22 PM): perhaps if he follows down a different career path he can maintain his smarmy title
JUICY COP2 (3:11:30 PM): perhaps he will turn to god and see this as a calling
JUICY COP2 (3:11:31 PM): hahahaha
JUICY COP2 (3:11:54 PM): soo many endless possibilities are in his future now, all paths of negative self destruction
Carolinegresh (3:11:56 PM): hahaahahahhh
Carolinegresh (3:11:59 PM): yes
Carolinegresh (3:12:00 PM): AHAHAHAH
JUICY COP2 (3:12:10 PM): hahah its funny we could go on at this for days
JUICY COP2 (3:12:13 PM): we need him in a chat room
JUICY COP2 (3:12:15 PM): hahahahha
Carolinegresh (3:12:26 PM): hahaha yes
Carolinegresh (3:12:28 PM): LOLOLL
JUICY COP2 (3:12:32 PM): not only will we nail the coffin but we will dig it 40 leagues deep
Carolinegresh (3:12:39 PM): LOLOLOOLOL
Carolinegresh (3:12:44 PM): "he wont recover"
Carolinegresh (3:12:56 PM): BioLayne
Carolinegresh (3:12:57 PM): hahha
JUICY COP2 (3:13:01 PM): take it to the core of molten unforgivability
JUICY COP2 (3:13:03 PM): hahah yes
JUICY COP2 (3:13:09 PM): he will forever remain biolayne in our hearts
Carolinegresh (3:13:14 PM): ROFLAFMAFOFOAOO
Carolinegresh (3:13:21 PM): He almost died for you bitches
JUICY COP2 (3:13:24 PM): yes
JUICY COP2 (3:13:25 PM): hahahhaha
Carolinegresh (3:13:27 PM): hahhahah
JUICY COP2 (3:13:44 PM): too bad when his pec departed from his arm it didnt slap him in the face
Carolinegresh (3:13:46 PM): hahhaa his parents are laughing at him I bet
Carolinegresh (3:13:51 PM): LOLOL yah
JUICY COP2 (3:13:57 PM): hahahh they are relieved now
Carolinegresh (3:14:06 PM): "see son, we told you from day one you would hurt yourself"
JUICY COP2 (3:14:23 PM): hahah yes thats what they said when he first started and he was skinny
JUICY COP2 (3:14:26 PM): the swimsuit picture
Carolinegresh (3:14:28 PM): hahah all the posters he tore out of magazines
JUICY COP2 (3:14:29 PM): with the 11 inch arms
Carolinegresh (3:14:33 PM): ROFLAFMAFOAROFOOFOF
JUICY COP2 (3:14:33 PM): that fueled his passion
Carolinegresh (3:14:34 PM): yes
Carolinegresh (3:14:36 PM): hahhah
Carolinegresh (3:14:38 PM): now
JUICY COP2 (3:14:39 PM): he pictures all the jeering and laughing
Carolinegresh (3:14:42 PM): hes gonna look worse
JUICY COP2 (3:14:43 PM): pulls his beany down tight
Carolinegresh (3:14:44 PM): than that person
Carolinegresh (3:14:48 PM): that he once was
Carolinegresh (3:14:49 PM): hahha
JUICY COP2 (3:14:51 PM): yes
JUICY COP2 (3:14:53 PM): obese this time
Carolinegresh (3:14:58 PM): LOLOOLOLOLOOOOOL
Carolinegresh (3:15:02 PM): Beany
Carolinegresh (3:15:04 PM): hahahhhh
JUICY COP2 (3:15:11 PM): one could argue it was the beany that brought his downfall
Carolinegresh (3:15:16 PM): haha I bet he wore his beany
Carolinegresh (3:15:19 PM): to the hospital
Carolinegresh (3:15:25 PM): LOLOL yes
JUICY COP2 (3:15:29 PM): the elasticity perhaps slowed the blood flow affecting his thought process
JUICY COP2 (3:15:33 PM): he thought he could do more
Carolinegresh (3:15:35 PM): ROFMAO
JUICY COP2 (3:15:41 PM): we need to post this
JUICY COP2 (3:15:42 PM): hahahahha
Carolinegresh (3:15:44 PM): hahha imagine him walking
JUICY COP2 (3:15:46 PM): post it on getbig
Carolinegresh (3:15:49 PM): into the emergency room
Carolinegresh (3:15:58 PM): in the Underarmour Getup
JUICY COP2 (3:16:00 PM): yes
JUICY COP2 (3:16:01 PM): hahahha
Carolinegresh (3:16:04 PM): haha yes post it
JUICY COP2 (3:16:04 PM): screaming
Carolinegresh (3:16:08 PM): hahhaha
JUICY COP2 (3:16:09 PM): i will
JUICY COP2 (3:16:10 PM): hold on
Carolinegresh (3:16:12 PM): yes!
(http://forum.bodybuilding.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=1178771&d=1204729259)
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Ain't reading that shit!
YOU FAIL!
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That's WAY too much to read through.
Be sure to send some love to Juicycop for me, would ya? ;)
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Layne will be back. You won't, after Debussey has raped your midget ass. :)
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"I know you know smiling at me" Anyone care to decipher this strange tounge? Never again will we have this great man among our ranks.
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hahahhaa, did he really tear his chest?
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That's WAY too much to read through.
Be sure to send some love to Juicycop for me, would ya? ;)
;D
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Layne will be back. You won't, after Debussey has raped your midget ass. :)
He Won`t EVER recover according to his doctors and hisself.
Surgery cannot even fix this debacle.
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hahahahahahhahaaaaaaaa, 500 pound plus bench, you can tell looking at him that 500 would drive him through the bench and the floor, what was he thinking?
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He Won`t EVER recover according to his doctors and hisself.
Surgery cannot even fix this debacle.
According to the posts on his forum, claiming that he won't recover = not based on facts.
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Just got back from the ortho with my MRI results.
The tear is worse than anyone thought. It is a full thickness tear of the pec major at the muscle-tendon junction (worse than tearing the tendon off the bone). Surgery is definitely a priority now to make sure I regain full function. The recover period is 6-12 months and will require me to have my arm in a sling for about 4 weeks after the surgery. The part that I am most bummed about it my right side will atrophy big time right before my wedding in May and I'll look like absolute crap for it and the cruise. I know it might seem like it's not a big deal but I really wanted to be in good shape for my wedding and my first cruise. But at least it's going to get fixed.
The ortho did say something funny, he said "the fact that you have no complained about pain that much, only it being 'uncomfortable' just tells me that you have a ridiculous tolerance to pain". LOL
-Layne
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I don't get it.... ???
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He Won`t EVER recover according to his doctors and hisself.
Surgery cannot even fix this debacle.
A glorious day indeed friend. Never more will we have to endure the nonsense of this local clown. Now is the time to drive the nail deeper into the coffin friends. I invite you. Please join us in our pernicious raid of this gentlemans ego. We will end his pathetic existance.
Can someone please explain the benefit of this strange excercise? Perhaps his beany was too tight that day.
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Just got back from the ortho with my MRI results.
The tear is worse than anyone thought. It is a full thickness tear of the pec major at the muscle-tendon junction (worse than tearing the tendon off the bone). Surgery is definitely a priority now to make sure I regain full function. The recover period is 6-12 months and will require me to have my arm in a sling for about 4 weeks after the surgery. The part that I am most bummed about it my right side will atrophy big time right before my wedding in May and I'll look like absolute crap for it and the cruise. I know it might seem like it's not a big deal but I really wanted to be in good shape for my wedding and my first cruise. But at least it's going to get fixed.
The ortho did say something funny, he said "the fact that you have no complained about pain that much, only it being 'uncomfortable' just tells me that you have a ridiculous tolerance to pain". LOL
-Layne
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That = not a "definitive judgement".
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I just got back from the surgeon. Again, I have good news and I have bad news.
The good news is this guy is a great surgery, he did surgeries for the chicago bears and I really like him. My insurance will also most likely cover the surgery as well.
The bad news is this pec tear is a worst case scenario pec tear. He actually thinks some of the tearing is in the muscle belly itself and is unrepairable. He is not even sure that surgery will help it at all but the only way to find out is to get in there and see. This is the only chance I've got to get this thing better and so I have to take the risk.
I appreciate everyone's comments about my work ethic and how hard I work, but I'm afraid hard work is not going to bring my pec back to health or shape. That is out of my hands at this point and that is the hardest part of this whole thing.
I appreciate everyone's support.
-Layne
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He Won`t EVER recover according to his doctors and hisself.
Surgery cannot even fix this debacle.
I dont agree with the comment that you have to be doing something stupid to tear a pec. I tore mine doing 390....I have it on tape. Mine was originally thought to be a strain too. Instead, later it was found to be a tear through the belly. Sucks. Really does. I dont see, though, how 'its all over' for him.
Oh and "Juicywhatever" you dont see why you have to go over 315..... ::)
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I just got back from the surgeon. Again, I have good news and I have bad news.
The good news is this guy is a great surgery, he did surgeries for the chicago bears and I really like him. My insurance will also most likely cover the surgery as well.
The bad news is this pec tear is a worst case scenario pec tear. He actually thinks some of the tearing is in the muscle belly itself and is unrepairable. He is not even sure that surgery will help it at all but the only way to find out is to get in there and see. This is the only chance I've got to get this thing better and so I have to take the risk.
I appreciate everyone's comments about my work ethic and how hard I work, but I'm afraid hard work is not going to bring my pec back to health or shape. That is out of my hands at this point and that is the hardest part of this whole thing.
I appreciate everyone's support.
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Just got back from the ortho with my MRI results.
The tear is worse than anyone thought. It is a full thickness tear of the pec major at the muscle-tendon junction (worse than tearing the tendon off the bone). Surgery is definitely a priority now to make sure I regain full function. The recover period is 6-12 months and will require me to have my arm in a sling for about 4 weeks after the surgery. The part that I am most bummed about it my right side will atrophy big time right before my wedding in May and I'll look like absolute crap for it and the cruise. I know it might seem like it's not a big deal but I really wanted to be in good shape for my wedding and my first cruise. But at least it's going to get fixed.
Gayer than a woman trying to lose weight for her wedding day.
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I dont agree with the comment that you have to be doing something stupid to tear a pec. I tore mine doing 390....I have it on tape. Mine was originally thought to be a strain too. Instead, later it was found to be a tear through the belly. Sucks. Really does. I dont see, though, how 'its all over' for him.
Oh and "Juicywhatever" you dont see why you have to go over 315..... ::)
Doing 390 on bench as a natural is "doing something stupid".
Why would you partake in something so nonsensical and worthless that yields no advantageous results?
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Doing 390 on bench as a natural is "doing something stupid".
Why would you partake in something so nonsensical and worthless that yields no advantageous results?
So as a natural Adam what is the amount I should have been doing? I was training with some powerlifters taking a break from the standard bodybuilding-like routine.
As far as results....prove to me that training with heavy weight yields no advantageous results. It may be your opinion that there are no advantages to doing so....and thats fine. Just give me factual reasons why there are no advantages.
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No one is going to read that shit
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So as a natural Adam what is the amount I should have been doing? I was training with some powerlifters taking a break from the standard bodybuilding-like routine.
As far as results....prove to me that training with heavy weight yields no advantageous results. It may be your opinion that there are no advantages to doing so....and thats fine. Just give me factual reasons why there are no advantages.
Prove to me that 390 is better than 275 for yourself.
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Prove to me that 390 is better than 275 for yourself.
it's not.
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True narcissistically psychopaths such as Adam Abeles allways finds pleasure in others misfortune :-\ :-X
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Prove to me that 390 is better than 275 for yourself.
Adam....I am not the one who said there are no advantages. So, the onus is on you. You made the statement, now please back that up with facts. Otherwise state that its just an opinion of yours, and thats fine. I will concede that benching is one of the worst things for the shoulder joint.
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I dont agree with the comment that you have to be doing something stupid to tear a pec. I tore mine doing 390....I have it on tape. Mine was originally thought to be a strain too. Instead, later it was found to be a tear through the belly. Sucks. Really does. I dont see, though, how 'its all over' for him.
Oh and "Juicywhatever" you dont see why you have to go over 315..... ::)
It is well known that Arnold rarely went above 315 pounds and he maintained the largest pecs of his time and probably our time. In Frank Zanes training diaries, he gives all the details of what Arnold typically did during a training session.
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It is well known that Arnold rarely went above 315 pounds and he maintained the largest pecs of his time and probably our time. In Frank Zanes training diaries, he gives all the details of what Arnold typically did during a training session.
exactly.
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Adam....I am not the one who said there are no advantages. So, the onus is on you. You made the statement, now please back that up with facts. Otherwise state that its just an opinion of yours, and thats fine. I will concede that benching is one of the worst things for the shoulder joint.
Curt lifting 390 for the first time on Bench Press=Pec Tear
Curt lifting 275 on many occasions on Bench Press=No Pec Tear
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275 for 10-12 will give you a million times better growth than 390 for 1.
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275 for 10-12 will give you a million times better growth than 390 for 1.
Layne was training to compete in powerlifting at the point where he tore his pec. Heavy weights = better strength gains.
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Layne was training to compete in powerlifting at the point where he tore his pec. Heavy weights = better strength gains.
moderate weight for more reps=better muscle growth.
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moderate weight for more reps=better muscle growth.
That might be so, but thats not the most optimal thing when you = training for a powerlifting competition.
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Layne was training to compete in powerlifting at the point where he tore his pec. Heavy weights = better strength gains.
Completely false.
Layne should have just upped the dose.
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No one is going to read that shit
Not even me. :(
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That might be so, but thats not the most optimal thing when you = training for a powerlifting competition.
when did he say he was training for a PL'ing meet? i thought Layne was a competitive bodybuilder.
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Completely false.
Layne should have just upped the dose.
Please give rational arguments to support your statement.
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when did he say he was training for a PL'ing meet? i thought Layne was a competitive bodybuilder.
It was on his forum Debussey thinks (www.biolayne.com) He said that he wanted to get into competition again (because his next BB comp was a long time away), so he started training for a powerlifting meet. He benched at least 385 and deadlifted 600+ before he tore his pec. He was probably good for a 400+ bench press before he tore the chest, not bad for a natty.
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hahahhaaa, i just noticed this, hilarious. ;D
Carolinegresh (2:52:38 PM): lolol he has the Flu now too
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Curt lifting 390 for the first time on Bench Press=Pec Tear
Curt lifting 275 on many occasions on Bench Press=No Pec Tear
Deadlifting 405 for many times = never injured
Deadlifting 405 in one training session = hamstring tear.
Whats the point you are making? Its my opinion that injuries can occur when doing even the easiest of things. They can happen with people doing the stupidest things.
As far as giving more growth with 275 for 10 - 12.....thats not the issue now is it?
That is simply your opinion Adam. Thats fine. I am not knocking it. There is no be-all, end-all way of training. The human body's ability to adapt to physical stress is an amazing thing.
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Not even me. :(
Only one who has developed the endurance through practice of reading will enjoy this thread. This is not for those with the inability to look at something for longer than 4 seconds. Perhaps i should redirect you to this article speaking on the dumbing of America by technological devices such as televisions and iphones. It is quite an enjoyable read and teaches a valuable lesson.
The Dumbing Of America
Call Me a Snob, but Really, We're a Nation of Dunces
By Susan Jacoby
Sunday, February 17, 2008; Page B01
"The mind of this country, taught to aim at low objects, eats upon itself." Ralph Waldo Emerson offered that observation in 1837, but his words echo with painful prescience in today's very different United States. Americans are in serious intellectual trouble -- in danger of losing our hard-won cultural capital to a virulent mixture of anti-intellectualism, anti-rationalism and low expectations.
This is the last subject that any candidate would dare raise on the long and winding road to the White House. It is almost impossible to talk about the manner in which public ignorance contributes to grave national problems without being labeled an "elitist," one of the most powerful pejoratives that can be applied to anyone aspiring to high office. Instead, our politicians repeatedly assure Americans that they are just "folks," a patronizing term that you will search for in vain in important presidential speeches before 1980. (Just imagine: "We here highly resolve that these dead shall not have died in vain . . . and that government of the folks, by the folks, for the folks, shall not perish from the earth.") Such exaltations of ordinariness are among the distinguishing traits of anti-intellectualism in any era.
The classic work on this subject by Columbia University historian Richard Hofstadter, "Anti-Intellectualism in American Life," was published in early 1963, between the anti-communist crusades of the McCarthy era and the social convulsions of the late 1960s. Hofstadter saw American anti-intellectualism as a basically cyclical phenomenon that often manifested itself as the dark side of the country's democratic impulses in religion and education. But today's brand of anti-intellectualism is less a cycle than a flood. If Hofstadter (who died of leukemia in 1970 at age 54) had lived long enough to write a modern-day sequel, he would have found that our era of 24/7 infotainment has outstripped his most apocalyptic predictions about the future of American culture.
Dumbness, to paraphrase the late senator Daniel Patrick Moynihan, has been steadily defined downward for several decades, by a combination of heretofore irresistible forces. These include the triumph of video culture over print culture (and by video, I mean every form of digital media, as well as older electronic ones); a disjunction between Americans' rising level of formal education and their shaky grasp of basic geography, science and history; and the fusion of anti-rationalism with anti-intellectualism.
First and foremost among the vectors of the new anti-intellectualism is video. The decline of book, newspaper and magazine reading is by now an old story. The drop-off is most pronounced among the young, but it continues to accelerate and afflict Americans of all ages and education levels.
Reading has declined not only among the poorly educated, according to a report last year by the National Endowment for the Arts. In 1982, 82 percent of college graduates read novels or poems for pleasure; two decades later, only 67 percent did. And more than 40 percent of Americans under 44 did not read a single book -- fiction or nonfiction -- over the course of a year. The proportion of 17-year-olds who read nothing (unless required to do so for school) more than doubled between 1984 and 2004. This time period, of course, encompasses the rise of personal computers, Web surfing and video games.
Does all this matter? Technophiles pooh-pooh jeremiads about the end of print culture as the navel-gazing of (what else?) elitists. In his book "Everything Bad Is Good for You: How Today's Popular Culture Is Actually Making Us Smarter," the science writer Steven Johnson assures us that we have nothing to worry about. Sure, parents may see their "vibrant and active children gazing silently, mouths agape, at the screen." But these zombie-like characteristics "are not signs of mental atrophy. They're signs of focus." Balderdash. The real question is what toddlers are screening out, not what they are focusing on, while they sit mesmerized by videos they have seen dozens of times.
Despite an aggressive marketing campaign aimed at encouraging babies as young as 6 months to watch videos, there is no evidence that focusing on a screen is anything but bad for infants and toddlers. In a study released last August, University of Washington researchers found that babies between 8 and 16 months recognized an average of six to eight fewer words for every hour spent watching videos.
I cannot prove that reading for hours in a treehouse (which is what I was doing when I was 13) creates more informed citizens than hammering away at a Microsoft Xbox or obsessing about Facebook profiles. But the inability to concentrate for long periods of time -- as distinct from brief reading hits for information on the Web -- seems to me intimately related to the inability of the public to remember even recent news events. It is not surprising, for example, that less has been heard from the presidential candidates about the Iraq war in the later stages of the primary campaign than in the earlier ones, simply because there have been fewer video reports of violence in Iraq. Candidates, like voters, emphasize the latest news, not necessarily the most important news.
No wonder negative political ads work. "With text, it is even easy to keep track of differing levels of authority behind different pieces of information," the cultural critic Caleb Crain noted recently in the New Yorker. "A comparison of two video reports, on the other hand, is cumbersome. Forced to choose between conflicting stories on television, the viewer falls back on hunches, or on what he believed before he started watching."
As video consumers become progressively more impatient with the process of acquiring information through written language, all politicians find themselves under great pressure to deliver their messages as quickly as possible -- and quickness today is much quicker than it used to be. Harvard University's Kiku Adatto found that between 1968 and 1988, the average sound bite on the news for a presidential candidate -- featuring the candidate's own voice -- dropped from 42.3 seconds to 9.8 seconds. By 2000, according to another Harvard study, the daily candidate bite was down to just 7.8 seconds.
The shrinking public attention span fostered by video is closely tied to the second important anti-intellectual force in American culture: the erosion of general knowledge.
People accustomed to hearing their president explain complicated policy choices by snapping "I'm the decider" may find it almost impossible to imagine the pains that Franklin D. Roosevelt took, in the grim months after Pearl Harbor, to explain why U.S. armed forces were suffering one defeat after another in the Pacific. In February 1942, Roosevelt urged Americans to spread out a map during his radio "fireside chat" so that they might better understand the geography of battle. In stores throughout the country, maps sold out; about 80 percent of American adults tuned in to hear the president. FDR had told his speechwriters that he was certain that if Americans understood the immensity of the distances over which supplies had to travel to the armed forces, "they can take any kind of bad news right on the chin."
This is a portrait not only of a different presidency and president but also of a different country and citizenry, one that lacked access to satellite-enhanced Google maps but was far more receptive to learning and complexity than today's public. According to a 2006 survey by National Geographic-Roper, nearly half of Americans between ages 18 and 24 do not think it necessary to know the location of other countries in which important news is being made. More than a third consider it "not at all important" to know a foreign language, and only 14 percent consider it "very important."
That leads us to the third and final factor behind the new American dumbness: not lack of knowledge per se but arrogance about that lack of knowledge. The problem is not just the things we do not know (consider the one in five American adults who, according to the National Science Foundation, thinks the sun revolves around the Earth); it's the alarming number of Americans who have smugly concluded that they do not need to know such things in the first place. Call this anti-rationalism -- a syndrome that is particularly dangerous to our public institutions and discourse. Not knowing a foreign language or the location of an important country is a manifestation of ignorance; denying that such knowledge matters is pure anti-rationalism. The toxic brew of anti-rationalism and ignorance hurts discussions of U.S. public policy on topics from health care to taxation.
There is no quick cure for this epidemic of arrogant anti-rationalism and anti-intellectualism; rote efforts to raise standardized test scores by stuffing students with specific answers to specific questions on specific tests will not do the job. Moreover, the people who exemplify the problem are usually oblivious to it. ("Hardly anyone believes himself to be against thought and culture," Hofstadter noted.) It is past time for a serious national discussion about whether, as a nation, we truly value intellect and rationality. If this indeed turns out to be a "change election," the low level of discourse in a country with a mind taught to aim at low objects ought to be the first item on the change agenda
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Deadlifting 405 for many times = never injured
Deadlifting 405 in one training session = hamstring tear.
Whats the point you are making? Its my opinion that injuries can occur when doing even the easiest of things. They can happen with people doing the stupidest things.
As far as giving more growth with 275 for 10 - 12.....thats not the issue now is it?
That is simply your opinion Adam. Thats fine. I am not knocking it. There is no be-all, end-all way of training. The human body's ability to adapt to physical stress is an amazing thing.
Stupid.
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Only one who has developed the endurance through practice of reading will enjoy this thread. This is not for those with the inability to look at something for longer than 4 seconds. Perhaps i should redirect you to this article speaking on the dumbing of America by technological devices such as televisions and iphones. It is quite and enjoyable read and teaches a valuable lesson.
The Dumbing Of America
Call Me a Snob, but Really, We're a Nation of Dunces
By Susan Jacoby
Sunday, February 17, 2008; Page B01
"The mind of this country, taught to aim at low objects, eats upon itself." Ralph Waldo Emerson offered that observation in 1837, but his words echo with painful prescience in today's very different United States. Americans are in serious intellectual trouble -- in danger of losing our hard-won cultural capital to a virulent mixture of anti-intellectualism, anti-rationalism and low expectations.
This is the last subject that any candidate would dare raise on the long and winding road to the White House. It is almost impossible to talk about the manner in which public ignorance contributes to grave national problems without being labeled an "elitist," one of the most powerful pejoratives that can be applied to anyone aspiring to high office. Instead, our politicians repeatedly assure Americans that they are just "folks," a patronizing term that you will search for in vain in important presidential speeches before 1980. (Just imagine: "We here highly resolve that these dead shall not have died in vain . . . and that government of the folks, by the folks, for the folks, shall not perish from the earth.") Such exaltations of ordinariness are among the distinguishing traits of anti-intellectualism in any era.
The classic work on this subject by Columbia University historian Richard Hofstadter, "Anti-Intellectualism in American Life," was published in early 1963, between the anti-communist crusades of the McCarthy era and the social convulsions of the late 1960s. Hofstadter saw American anti-intellectualism as a basically cyclical phenomenon that often manifested itself as the dark side of the country's democratic impulses in religion and education. But today's brand of anti-intellectualism is less a cycle than a flood. If Hofstadter (who died of leukemia in 1970 at age 54) had lived long enough to write a modern-day sequel, he would have found that our era of 24/7 infotainment has outstripped his most apocalyptic predictions about the future of American culture.
Dumbness, to paraphrase the late senator Daniel Patrick Moynihan, has been steadily defined downward for several decades, by a combination of heretofore irresistible forces. These include the triumph of video culture over print culture (and by video, I mean every form of digital media, as well as older electronic ones); a disjunction between Americans' rising level of formal education and their shaky grasp of basic geography, science and history; and the fusion of anti-rationalism with anti-intellectualism.
First and foremost among the vectors of the new anti-intellectualism is video. The decline of book, newspaper and magazine reading is by now an old story. The drop-off is most pronounced among the young, but it continues to accelerate and afflict Americans of all ages and education levels.
Reading has declined not only among the poorly educated, according to a report last year by the National Endowment for the Arts. In 1982, 82 percent of college graduates read novels or poems for pleasure; two decades later, only 67 percent did. And more than 40 percent of Americans under 44 did not read a single book -- fiction or nonfiction -- over the course of a year. The proportion of 17-year-olds who read nothing (unless required to do so for school) more than doubled between 1984 and 2004. This time period, of course, encompasses the rise of personal computers, Web surfing and video games.
Does all this matter? Technophiles pooh-pooh jeremiads about the end of print culture as the navel-gazing of (what else?) elitists. In his book "Everything Bad Is Good for You: How Today's Popular Culture Is Actually Making Us Smarter," the science writer Steven Johnson assures us that we have nothing to worry about. Sure, parents may see their "vibrant and active children gazing silently, mouths agape, at the screen." But these zombie-like characteristics "are not signs of mental atrophy. They're signs of focus." Balderdash. The real question is what toddlers are screening out, not what they are focusing on, while they sit mesmerized by videos they have seen dozens of times.
Despite an aggressive marketing campaign aimed at encouraging babies as young as 6 months to watch videos, there is no evidence that focusing on a screen is anything but bad for infants and toddlers. In a study released last August, University of Washington researchers found that babies between 8 and 16 months recognized an average of six to eight fewer words for every hour spent watching videos.
I cannot prove that reading for hours in a treehouse (which is what I was doing when I was 13) creates more informed citizens than hammering away at a Microsoft Xbox or obsessing about Facebook profiles. But the inability to concentrate for long periods of time -- as distinct from brief reading hits for information on the Web -- seems to me intimately related to the inability of the public to remember even recent news events. It is not surprising, for example, that less has been heard from the presidential candidates about the Iraq war in the later stages of the primary campaign than in the earlier ones, simply because there have been fewer video reports of violence in Iraq. Candidates, like voters, emphasize the latest news, not necessarily the most important news.
No wonder negative political ads work. "With text, it is even easy to keep track of differing levels of authority behind different pieces of information," the cultural critic Caleb Crain noted recently in the New Yorker. "A comparison of two video reports, on the other hand, is cumbersome. Forced to choose between conflicting stories on television, the viewer falls back on hunches, or on what he believed before he started watching."
As video consumers become progressively more impatient with the process of acquiring information through written language, all politicians find themselves under great pressure to deliver their messages as quickly as possible -- and quickness today is much quicker than it used to be. Harvard University's Kiku Adatto found that between 1968 and 1988, the average sound bite on the news for a presidential candidate -- featuring the candidate's own voice -- dropped from 42.3 seconds to 9.8 seconds. By 2000, according to another Harvard study, the daily candidate bite was down to just 7.8 seconds.
The shrinking public attention span fostered by video is closely tied to the second important anti-intellectual force in American culture: the erosion of general knowledge.
People accustomed to hearing their president explain complicated policy choices by snapping "I'm the decider" may find it almost impossible to imagine the pains that Franklin D. Roosevelt took, in the grim months after Pearl Harbor, to explain why U.S. armed forces were suffering one defeat after another in the Pacific. In February 1942, Roosevelt urged Americans to spread out a map during his radio "fireside chat" so that they might better understand the geography of battle. In stores throughout the country, maps sold out; about 80 percent of American adults tuned in to hear the president. FDR had told his speechwriters that he was certain that if Americans understood the immensity of the distances over which supplies had to travel to the armed forces, "they can take any kind of bad news right on the chin."
This is a portrait not only of a different presidency and president but also of a different country and citizenry, one that lacked access to satellite-enhanced Google maps but was far more receptive to learning and complexity than today's public. According to a 2006 survey by National Geographic-Roper, nearly half of Americans between ages 18 and 24 do not think it necessary to know the location of other countries in which important news is being made. More than a third consider it "not at all important" to know a foreign language, and only 14 percent consider it "very important."
That leads us to the third and final factor behind the new American dumbness: not lack of knowledge per se but arrogance about that lack of knowledge. The problem is not just the things we do not know (consider the one in five American adults who, according to the National Science Foundation, thinks the sun revolves around the Earth); it's the alarming number of Americans who have smugly concluded that they do not need to know such things in the first place. Call this anti-rationalism -- a syndrome that is particularly dangerous to our public institutions and discourse. Not knowing a foreign language or the location of an important country is a manifestation of ignorance; denying that such knowledge matters is pure anti-rationalism. The toxic brew of anti-rationalism and ignorance hurts discussions of U.S. public policy on topics from health care to taxation.
There is no quick cure for this epidemic of arrogant anti-rationalism and anti-intellectualism; rote efforts to raise standardized test scores by stuffing students with specific answers to specific questions on specific tests will not do the job. Moreover, the people who exemplify the problem are usually oblivious to it. ("Hardly anyone believes himself to be against thought and culture," Hofstadter noted.) It is past time for a serious national discussion about whether, as a nation, we truly value intellect and rationality. If this indeed turns out to be a "change election," the low level of discourse in a country with a mind taught to aim at low objects ought to be the first item on the change agenda
How is the spanish woman in your apt. building behaving these days? Are you getting peace to enjoy that big tv/computer screen?
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Stupid.
i have to agree with you though adam thats one stupid looking squat. thought he was going to perform a goodmorning at first :o
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How is the spanish woman in your apt. building behaving these days? Are you getting peace to enjoy that big tv/computer screen?
I am merely a figment of your imagination
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Stupid.
Agree with Adam. That lift is Hardcore ::) Like the "Body is a wonderland" playing in the background serious gym there. ::)
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Stupid.
True adam.....very adam. I see no reason to perform that exercise.
I personally feel that my lack of taking a break from training, always going 100%, and trying to train heavy all the time lead to my pec tear. In Laynes case....I know he likes to be in the gym for 2+ hrs at a time. I dont see how he can maintain that type of pace without being injured.
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I am merely a figment of your imagination
THat might be true. Debussey has no real references to prove otherwise.
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i have to agree with you though adam thats one stupid looking squat. thought he was going to perform a goodmorning at first :o
He is doing a good morning.An eccentric good morning and then squatting the weight up. This s a powerlifting move.
If he was planning on a power meet then this movement makes sense.
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I love reading these instant messenger convos between juicy cop and various other queers....its like watching a car accident...
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i always thought layne norton was an ass with no sense of humor, i wish him well but i saw this coming with his attitude. his condition was top notch, but damn to try a 390 bench press you better be repping 315 for 15 + easy ones before you try that weight
whats more pathetic is leafy bugs attempt to wish more harm on the poor geeky layne norton. why waste time hating on someone, superior waste of time both kids layne and leafy should grow up
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moderate weight for more reps=better muscle growth.
this is very true
incline pushups with feet on a chair is the way to go
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this is very true
incline pushups with feet on a chair is the way to go
i do 250 regular pushups the day after i train chest to get some blood in there.
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I tried to like this guy.
I tried to give him his props.
I tried to respect the fact that he was driven and determined.
I could never warm to him as, on internet forums at least, he came across as rude, arrogant and incapable of taking even moderate criticism.
He had it coming.
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hahahhaa, at least all the normal gym goers in Gold's Gym Champaign, IL won't have to deal with all the theatrics this clown does before a lift for awhile. :D
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i do 250 regular pushups the day after i train chest to get some blood in there.
hell yeah brother keep doing it, i invite you and cadidizzle to become falcon brothers! i think its good to have two wicked personalites as part of the falcon family
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hell yeah brother keep doing it, i invite you and cadidizzle to become falcon brothers! i think its good to have two wicked personalites as part of the falcon family
Falcon brothers fly the higest.
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There's still justice in this world 8)
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hahahhaa, at least all the normal gym goers in Gold's Gym Champaign, IL won't have to deal with all the theatrics this clown does before a lift for awhile. :D
its is so childish to spaz out before a lift
i lift quitley and try to smile as much as i can while im lifting
loser idiots who use there lower mind work off from anger
they dont realize that there is real scientific data that shows we operate in wavelengths , and the anger wavelength does not come in contact with as many amino acid pairs as the love wavelength
hahha its so funny how far behind people are :) ive tried to help for decades and so have my fellow falcon neegars
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its is so childish to spaz out before a lift
i lift quitley and try to smile as much as i can while im lifting
loser idiots who use there lower mind work off from anger
they dont realize that there is real scientific data that shows we operate in wavelengths , and the anger wavelength does not come in contact with as many amino acid pairs as the love wavelength
hahha its so funny how far behind people are :) ive tried to help for decades and so have my fellow falcon neegars
all you do when you do all that bullshit screaming, jumping around and pulling yourself back and forth from the bar is BURN ENERGY that could be used for the lift, there's a difference between psyching up and psyching out.
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nah i think it can be good actually for adrenaline and stuff but it looks silly
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nah i think it can be good actually for adrenaline and stuff but it looks silly
hahah no wrong
you see its simply lifting a weight
just like sweeping the floor
you do everything with mastery and a smile only if you know the falcon secrets
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hahah no wrong
you see its simply lifting a weight
just like sweeping the floor
you do everything with mastery and a smile only if you know the falcon secrets
exactly, it's just work like any other type of work, roofing a house, digging a ditch, mowing the lawn, working on your car, it's all just physical effort, if you need "adrenaline" and psyching up maybe you're not cut out for it.
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hahaha look at all the losers taking pleasure in the misfortunes of a winner aka Layne Norton
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hahha ::) maybe ronnie coleman isn't cut out for it
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hahah no wrong
you see its simply lifting a weight
just like sweeping the floor
you do everything with mastery and a smile only if you know the falcon secrets
I apologize. I will never doubt you again great falcon master.
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I haven't done flat bench in 5 years and my chest is better than ever. It's just not necessary, unless you're doing PLing.
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hahha ::) maybe ronnie coleman isn't cut out for it
he's a fuccking mutant, when the normal natural tries that shit they'll burn themselves out, even Ronnie himself admitted he only did that for the video.
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I haven't done flat bench in 5 years and my chest is better than ever. It's just not necessary, unless you're doing PLing.
everybody seems to have their own opinion on this
some claim the flat bench built their chest, others say it did nothing
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I haven't done flat bench in 5 years and my chest is better than ever. It's just not necessary, unless you're doing PLing.
haha ok "bigkid" ::)
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haha ok "bigkid" ::)
meltdown
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hahah no wrong
you see its simply lifting a weight
just like sweeping the floor
you do everything with mastery and a smile only if you know the falcon secrets
Very Zen-like, Brother Falcon. I like it very much. :)
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There are different ways to do it..
Sometimes when I flat bench correctly it's the best ever, but when I'm bouncing the shit off my chest and using my delts more then it's not so great. I personally think barbell inclines are the best chest exercise of all.
Obviously people don't need to lift very heavy, but if they're natural then they need to try and push for more weight if they want to gain something. You aren't going to gain shit if you're bench 135, 225 for reps.. You'll just be an average joe.
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hahaha look at all the losers taking pleasure in the misfortunes of a winner aka Layne Norton
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Hurl = correct. Layne = a good guy, very hard working, very very helpful (try sending him an email, asking for advice) and a better and stronger BB than many juiced guys. The thing that happened to him was very unfortunate, but he'll come back somehow.
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all you do when you do all that bullshit screaming, jumping around and pulling yourself back and forth from the bar is BURN ENERGY that could be used for the lift, there's a difference between psyching up and psyching out.
Couldnt agree more.....I sit on a bench and just veg. Find the song on the ipod I want and then go for it.
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Stupid.
Nice red herring, retard (look it up).
Btw, is Jizzabelle also a misanthrope?
Anytime there's some controversy around a natural bodybuilder, you jump all over it (e.g., your months of whining about Whateva's eligibility for that ridiculous "Mr. GetBig").
Your jealousy issues need to be addressed, son. Why don't you pay a visit to the Charlotte area such that I can hook you up with proper psychiatrist? My boyfriend and I will take you to lunch the day you arrive in Charlotte; then we'll start making calls about who might be taking on new clients. Undoubtably someone will be open to meeting with a sociopath like yourself ... Charlotte's a big town! :D
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So the whole point of that long-ass chat log was, "Layme Norton tore his pec"?? ::)
Give us the one-sentence executive summary next time. That's 5 minutes of my life I'm never getting back. >:(
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Prove to me that 390 is better than 275 for yourself.
U r the one criticizing it. You prove it fucktard. Monster jealousy of a weight you dreamed of pressing.
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Kinda funny Adonis goes after a dude with a questionable physique that has been compared to his/or as worse as his.
Why do you get bast to post your dirty laundry?
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is there.... something, Alexander?
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so layne has a pec tear. ok... well levrone, toney freeman and the russian guy all had pec tears and did well.
layne will recover.
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bl to the guy with the pec tear, i love watching all the Guru's come into this thread
like faildonis lol - won't even share his secrets!
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Great post.
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why doenst leafy bug post here anymore ??
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So the whole point of that long-ass chat log was, "Layme Norton tore his pec"?? ::)
Give us the one-sentence executive summary next time. That's 5 minutes of my life I'm never getting back. >:(
the conversation was pretty funny i have to admit
as for your 5 minutes, you would've wasted them here on getbig in some other way so quit whining
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the conversation was pretty funny i have to admit
as for your 5 minutes, you would've wasted them here on getbig in some other way so quit whining
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Agreed. I'll admit that I read it, and I laughed.
In all seriousness though, Layne's a real good guy and I wish him a speedy recovery. :)
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the conversation was pretty funny i have to admit
as for your 5 minutes, you would've wasted them here on getbig in some other way so quit whining
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This is Goaboys way of feeling important.
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its stupid to lift heavy weights when u r an ectomorph...its not going to make you "big", you ll still stay lean and ripped, layne is just too obsessed with his passion, its going too far.
He should focus on staying ripped and muscular and enjoy being what he is, the only thing he s going to achieve lifting weights that heavy is that he s going to destroy his body... even if he can get "bigger" eating like a pig and lifting heavy weights,you just cannot maintain it for all the rest of your life, so its pointless... at some point ectomorhpes just cant go further their genetical limitations, when i watch him , so lean and slim, lifting so heavy weights, it s just make non sense, its screams "i m so sick of being a natural ectomorph, i want to be like roided monsters so much that im going to lift the same weights without being on the juice and not being a meso or endomorphe" ; damn seriously, it's mental illness !
some ectos really have a hard time admiting what they re are and being content with it, it's just what i think when i see em do stupid things like lifting weights way too heavy for em; it wont make em "bigger " nor will it add tons of new muscle mass... they re just not fit for this kind of shit that is for ENDOMORPHES , and it shows that they have a very low self esteem and are unhappy with what mother nature gave em, thats the only explanation for irational and extreme behavior like layne is sporting.
How can you fault a guy for training hard? How do you think he would have looked had he not pushed himself in the gym, with his ectomorphic build as you say? We laugh at lazy pros who don't train hard but when we see a guy pushing himself that's stupid as well?
The only way for a natural ectomorph to put on muscle is to basically powerlift. Not a damn thing is going to happen by just going through to motions.
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Looks like the insuline and HGH finally catched up with layne.
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hahah layne is now damaged for life...welcome to the town of Assymetry..population ...a few
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hahah layne is now damaged for life...welcome to the town of Assymetry..population ...a few
why do you take pleasure in this?
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The ortho did say something funny, he said "the fact that you have no complained about pain that much, only it being 'uncomfortable' just tells me that you
have a ridiculous tolerance to pain are just like the rest of the gay4pay narcotic abusing muscle fags and shoot up painkillers because you can't even handle the pain of a weight workout.
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why do you take pleasure in this?
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cause he opposes the Adonis Principles..
jk
he said some shit about me once, so now he is dead to me..
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layne seems like a decent guy, I feel bad for him really. He helps alot of people out and always gives pretty decent advice.
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The ortho did say something funny, he said "the fact that you have no complained about pain that much, only it being 'uncomfortable' just tells me that you have a ridiculous tolerance to pain are just like the rest of the gay4pay narcotic abusing muscle fags and shoot up painkillers because you can't even handle the pain of a weight workout.
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There's not necessarily any real pain when you tear a muscle. I tore my pec and there wasn't any pain. Didn't need any painkillers at all.
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cause he opposes the Adonis Principles..
jk
he said some shit about me once, so now he is dead to me..
what did he say?
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How can you fault a guy for training hard? How do you think he would have looked had he not pushed himself in the gym, with his ectomorphic build as you say? We laugh at lazy pros who don't train hard but when we see a guy pushing himself that's stupid as well?
The only way for a natural ectomorph to put on muscle is to basically powerlift. Not a damn thing is going to happen by just going through to motions.
you dont need heavy (or ridiculously heavy) weights to push yourself to the limits in the gym...
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what did he say?
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Who cares, I'm sure he was spot on.
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you dont need heavy (or ridiculously heavy) weights to push yourself to the limits in the gym...
what does he usually use for the movement that injured him opposed to what he was using when it happened?
that's what you guys should be looking at.
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you dont need heavy (or ridiculously heavy) weights to push yourself to the limits in the gym...
Was he doing a max single? I only read that he tore it on the first rep, implying he was doing several reps. You don't "need" to do max singles but low rep training, essentially powerlifting, is really good for a natural athlete. Take two identical twins, both natural, and have one do "pumping sets" of say 12 reps and let the other do powerlifting, pushing himself to get stronger and you'll have one who is better developed. The powerlifter.
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what does he usually use for the movement that injured him opposed to what he was using when it happened?
that's what you guys should be looking at.
"This was nothing I had not done before. " - Layne quote
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hope he gets better
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Layne is a better Role model than most IFBB pros, hope he gets well
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Adam Abeles is a shill. Don't trust this man. The only thing worse than a wolf in sheep's clothing is a wolf in shepherd's clothing.
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Adam Abeles is a shill. Don't trust this man. The only thing worse than a wolf in sheep's clothing is a wolf in shepherd's clothing.
Is there something we don't know about?
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Who cares, I'm sure he was spot on.
The one thing I've heard about Layne a couple of times is that he seems to have a "I'm better than you all" attitude with people.
He's never done anything to me personally, I'm just relaying what I've been told.
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Is there something we don't know about?
Adam lies, or at the very least, does not prove his claims. Examples include his 225 pound deadlift for 112 reps as well as his degree in physics.
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I'm a pretty frequent poster on the other forum, but I think I'm going to like it here.
Reading some of his posts, and watching his youtube videos sure is giving me a laugh. What is his thinking posting those vids????????
what can i say, you can do everything in your power to help others and some people just aren't going to like you. I'm not going to lose sleep over trying to get everyone to like me or agree with what I do. I'm not sure what was nonsensical about my reply. I thought I laid it out decently well. As far as calling you a coward, that was not directed at you in particular, but anyone who makes fun of other people's misfortunes in general. I could spend paragraphs trying to convince you why you are wrong about me and why I'm a good guy and blah blah blah, but I'm not because I've learned that no matter what you do, no matter how good your intentions are, there will be people who find reasons to dislike you. That's fine. I love lifting heavy. I love bodybuilding. I love helping people. I'm not going to apologize for any of that or have anyone try to make me feel bad about it. Everyone is entitled to their opinion, I just think it's low to make light of another's misfortunes. I disagree that if you can't handle more than 6 reps it is useless, low rep lifting helps build strength and overall mass (just look at Dom for crying out loud) and accounts for more actual myofibrillar hypertrophy. As far as me 'lifting for ego'. I love lifting heavy... not going to apologize for that.
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what a cocksucking little homo this Queefy bug is trying act all badass making fun of and taking pleasure in someone else's misfortune.
I hope you get run over by a truck you little bitch.
Or say that shit to layne's face :-*
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Well, how about I ask you this.
Do you suck dicks? You sound like it, or at least Laynes.
Are you helping him since he can't wack it now with the bum peck and all????
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Lifting like he does is only asking for trouble. He supposedly a knowledgeable person, but yet lifts like this? He's either doing it for his ego (I think so), or because he lacks the knowledge to realize 1 rep is useless for a bodybuilder.
He is also a natural so he has limits, and since he doesn't want to take things to the next level (I myself trained natural for almost 20 years) then he should have just accepted where he got himself in bodybuilding before his injury.
Also after reading his own posting, seems like there were several doctors telling him that he didn't need surgery. Yet, because he thinks he knows more then other people, he opted for surgery. A total waste by looking at his photos.
If he was so worried, why not worry about adding some mass, instead of a little pimple on his chest.
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Well, how about I ask you this.
Do you suck dicks? You sound like it, or at least Laynes.
Are you helping him since he can't wack it now with the bum peck and all????
got a big mouth there noob.
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You are calling me a noob and you're only 20 years old?
Go back to chasing after girlies, and drinking beer.
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You are calling me a noob and you're only 20 years old?
Go back to chasing after girlies, and drinking beer.
I wouldn't talk with your e-mail exposed to the public.
Dickbag :P
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You are calling me a noob and you're only 20 years old?
Go back to chasing after girlies, and drinking beer.
Relax "fredrick" it's only the internet, NOOB.
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Relax "fredrick" it's only the internet, NOOB.
hahahahah, u gotta put 'em in their place 8)
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he is motivated thats all so what if he does 1 reps or 6 reps he is motivated he once said, "i rather be hurt than not lift than to lift LIGHT WEIGHT"
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moderate weight for more reps=better muscle growth.
lol.
and how do you expect anyone to take your advise on 'bodybuilding' when you look like a bag of shit?
please share with us all your secrets to advanced muscle growth, fatty.
lmao.
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lol.
and how do you expect anyone to take your advise on 'bodybuilding' when you look like a bag of shit?
please share with us all your secrets to advanced muscle growth, fatty.
lmao.
Id rather look like squad then the smarmy layne.
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Go back to chasing after girlies, and drinking beer.
what a terrible life he must have. ::)
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Id rather look like squad then the smarmy layne.
liar
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Bump for Shiftedshapes.
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From what I've seen on these videos Layne trains (trained ha ha) like an idiot. Always pushing too hard. That is not the way to progress
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From what I've seen on these videos Layne trains (trained ha ha) like an idiot. Always pushing too hard. That is not the way to progress
so high intensity doesn't equal progress now?
rofl..i always thought the opposite. Pushing yourself to the limits with anything in life ensures at least moderate success if not more. Until Laynes recent accident it looked like it was working for him.
Seriously, more people in the industry recognize his name as opposed to 90% of IFBB pros.
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so high intensity doesn't equal progress now?
rofl..i always thought the opposite. Pushing yourself to the limits with anything in life ensures at least moderate success if not more. Until Laynes recent accident it looked like it was working for him.
Seriously, more people in the industry recognize his name as opposed to 90% of IFBB pros.
I think what he meant was using heavy weight too often which almost always equals injury.
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he looks like the biggest douche bag in those videos he walks around the gym like some kind of hardass very tough and intimidating ::) if he spent half the time he takes prancing around getting "pumped" actually working out he might be bigger and look better
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You seem upset? Toxic shock maybe? Get well soon!
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A glorious day indeed friend. Never more will we have to endure the nonsense of this local clown. Now is the time to drive the nail deeper into the coffin friends. I invite you. Please join us in our pernicious raid of this gentlemans ego. We will end his pathetic existance.
Can someone please explain the benefit of this strange excercise? Perhaps his beany was too tight that day.
How do you lift to john mayer, with any real intensity?
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so high intensity doesn't equal progress now?
rofl..i always thought the opposite. Pushing yourself to the limits with anything in life ensures at least moderate success if not more. Until Laynes recent accident it looked like it was working for him.
Seriously, more people in the industry recognize his name as opposed to 90% of IFBB pros.
I'm not impressed. he isn't even big
As a natty if you pound yourself to dust every time you train you will stagnate.