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3 years an even further fall from gracefrom his best years of 1996 to 2001 ASC
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nothing lasts forever
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nothing lasts forever
Exactly
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Jay should buy a lottery ticket.
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Jay should buy a lottery ticket.
Like Ronnie did in 1998? lol
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Jay should buy a lottery ticket.
and ronnie should buy a bus ticket.
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LOL you guys are forgetting that Ronnie probably has one expensive car for each day of the week.
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LOL you guys are forgetting that Ronnie probably has one expensive car for each day of the week.
and what the hell does that have to do with him looking not as good as jay this year?
Get over it Hulkster, you're a pathetic whining pussy.
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and what the hell does that have to do with him looking not as good as jay this year?
Get over it Hulkster, you're a pathetic whining pussy.
nothing. Jay beat an aging, injured Mr. Olympia. Facts are facts.
everyone bashes Ronnie, acting as if Jay beat his 1999 form or something..
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nothing. Jay beat an aging, injured Mr. Olympia. Facts are facts.
everyone bashes Ronnie, acting as if Jay beat his 1999 form or something..
Injured??? LOL.. not according to the former Mr. Olympia.. he's telling everyone they are on crack if they mention he's had an injury.
Just time that the former Mr. Olympia got a wake up call and hopefully realized that he has to earn his wins.. no more freebies. :-[
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THat soletti calves in the 2006 pics are so funny ;D. I'm weighing 195 pds and have bigger calves than Coleman :D
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3 years an even further fall from gracefrom his best years of 1996 to 2001 ASC
You choose a very bad pair of pics,he look 99% the same.And damn good at both of them.
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With this many Coleman threads going, it's clear that ND's OBSESSED with Coleman. hahahahahahahaha
I don't see any Yates comparisons. ;D
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You choose a very bad pair of pics,he look 99% the same.And damn good at both of them.
Sure he does lol 99% the same ::)
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With this many Coleman threads going, it's clear that ND's OBSESSED with Coleman. hahahahahahahaha
I don't see any Yates comparisons. ;D
Are you kidding me? Ronnie blew the Biggest Mr Olympia contest in the history of the sport and you expect everyone not to say anything lol wishfull thinking on a Coleman fans part very wishfull thinking
NO Mr Olympia ever went down in flames like Coleman did ever Jay beat a eight time Mr Olympia winner going for his ninth thats never been done ! welcome to your bitter history .
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With this many Coleman threads going, it's clear that ND's OBSESSED with Coleman. hahahahahahahaha
I don't see any Yates comparisons. ;D
aaahhhhh its all you ever go on about!!! Your obsessed with coleman worse than Hulkster!!!!
ta ta
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I'm not the one starting all the threads you idiot. ;D
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he was 43 years old for gods sake. lets see a pic of yates at that age nd, im sure ronnie would rape him. difference is ronnie is a fighter and wont bow out because he knows he cant win anymore, he's going to try to win and if he doesn't at least he can say he tried. doesn't tarnish hi previous wins, just means he got old and injured.
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he was 43 years old for gods sake. lets see a pic of yates at that age nd, im sure ronnie would rape him. difference is ronnie is a fighter and wont bow out because he knows he cant win anymore, he's going to try to win and if he doesn't at least he can say he tried. doesn't tarnish hi previous wins, just means he got old and injured.
So what he's 43 big deal , look at Vince Taylor at 50 , look at Bill Pearl in his late 40s and even 50s !
Dorian did the right thing and bow out because he couldn't train and compete at the level he set for himself he could have went on like Ronnie and losing , and if you don't think Ronnie losing doesn't effect his legacy then you're sadly mistaken , he blew the most important Mr Olympia contest EVER and you think that doesn't effect him? 20 years from now people will still be talking about Ronnie and it will always lead back to how he dropped the ball !
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So what he's 43 big deal , look at Vince Taylor at 50 , look at Bill Pearl in his late 40s and even 50s !
Dorian did the right thing and bow out because he couldn't train and compete at the level he set for himself he could have went on like Ronnie and losing , and if you don't think Ronnie losing doesn't effect his legacy then you're sadly mistaken , he blew the most important Mr Olympia contest EVER and you think that doesn't effect him? 20 years from now people will still be talking about Ronnie and it will always lead back to how he dropped the ball !
exactly! he already dropped below haney, yates and arnie with these 4 losses in a row! how much farther will he fall on the list?
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LOL you guys are forgetting that Ronnie probably has one expensive car for each day of the week.
How many Hummers does Jay have, again?
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and ronnie should buy a bus ticket.
POW
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So what he's 43 big deal , look at Vince Taylor at 50 , look at Bill Pearl in his late 40s and even 50s !
Dorian did the right thing and bow out because he couldn't train and compete at the level he set for himself he could have went on like Ronnie and losing , and if you don't think Ronnie losing doesn't effect his legacy then you're sadly mistaken , he blew the most important Mr Olympia contest EVER and you think that doesn't effect him? 20 years from now people will still be talking about Ronnie and it will always lead back to how he dropped the ball !
Sad devotion.
Acceptance of the contest outcome at face value.
I 'll let you in on a secret ND: this years mr olympia was FIXED. Coleman coming in off was simply a well timed occurance for the powers to be to give the title to a competitor that brings, well frankly, nothing new to the sport.
Your estatic aboout coleman losing, how do you fell about cutler winning?
Where does this result take your "sport".
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3 years an even further fall from gracefrom his best years of 1996 to 2001 ASC
Who says bodybuilding isn't destructive?
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Sad devotion.
Acceptance of the contest outcome at face value.
I 'll let you in on a secret ND: this years mr olympia was FIXED. Coleman coming in off was simply a well timed occurance for the powers to be to give the title to a competitor that brings, well frankly, nothing new to the sport.
Your estatic aboout coleman losing, how do you fell about cutler winning?
Where does this result take your "sport".
That's how I feel too. not so much fixed but the planets aligned perfectly for them to show Ronnie the door. He looked like TOTAL SHIT and Jay looked good. Not that this means Jay is better than Ronnie, I don't think Jay is top 5 IMO, but It was time for them to ease Ronnie out and have a blocky white dude again.
Has anybody else noticed the collective "ho-hum" that Jay is Mr O? When Ronnie won back in 98 the boards were on fire for a month. You couldn't even log on half the time. You would think that the 8 time champ being bested would make a bigger splash.
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Jay is the Columbu of the new millenium. They'll tread water with him and others till someone great shows up.
The more interesting thing is why they did this to Coleman onstage vs. Yates allowed to win in virtually the same bad condition-what went on, who did they talk to, or not.
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Sad devotion.
Acceptance of the contest outcome at face value.
I 'll let you in on a secret ND: this years mr olympia was FIXED. Coleman coming in off was simply a well timed occurance for the powers to be to give the title to a competitor that brings, well frankly, nothing new to the sport.
Your estatic aboout coleman losing, how do you fell about cutler winning?
Where does this result take your "sport".
Okay you claimed its fixed and this would mean you have inside information , so now the burden of proof lies on you to prove your claim , put up or shut up big shot , either provide proof that it was fixed or keep quite
I find it amazing that Ronnie came in looking like gargabe the day of the fix coinsidence? I think not , was it irony Ronnie was waterlogged mess? that he has numerous injuries despite his cliams to the contrary , I love the bitter Coleman fans comming out doing damage control , conspricy theories and God knows what else , its pathetic almost as pathetic as the shape Ronnie showed up in to cement his legacy in bodybuilding history
How do I feel what Jay Cutler winning the Mr Olympia? I'll tell you what I personally DO NOT think he is Mr Olympia material , he has a gut but unlike Coleman he managed to be more conscious of it and make sure he controled it , still unacceptable , I don't like his physique and with that being said the judges picked the right person , the criteria worked in Ronnie's favor for years and it should work in Jays as well
After seeing the first pictures I thought " Wow Ronnie is really off and Jay is really on " but I figured they would screw Jay over but they did the right thing , which leaves the jaded clueless Coleman fans to ponder how their messiah could lose especially to Jay , you've all ate the bullshit that Muscular Development spoonfed you about how untouchable Ronnie was and NO ONE could ever beat him etc and Ronnie was a victim of his own delusion as well , so now he lost its has to be everything BUT he deserved to lose , Ronnie deserved to win on many times and he did and this time he deserved to lose and did so stop bitching .
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Jay is the Columbu of the new millenium. They'll tread water with him and others till someone great shows up.
The more interesting thing is why they did this to Coleman onstage vs. Yates allowed to win in virtually the same bad condition-what went on, who did they talk to, or not.
Cutler brings absolutley nothing new to the sport at all.
An upper body bereft of any discernible detail, obvious synthol abuse, arguably the widest congenital waist on any mr o, glaring left to right assymmetry most noticeable in the limbs, possibly the blockiest man ever to appear on stage oh and like dorian all the charm of a used condom.
Coleman as a man deserved far more than the ifbb gave him last week.
8 time mr olympia just discarded.
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Cutler brings absolutley nothing new to the sport at all.
An upper body bereft of any discernible detail, obvious synthol abuse, arguably the widest congenital waist on any mr o, glaring left to right assymmetry most noticeable in the limbs, possibly the blockiest man ever to appear on stage oh and like dorian all the charm of a used condom.
Coleman as a man deserved far more than the ifbb gave him last week.
8 time mr olympia just discarded.
It has NOTHGING to do with bring anything new to the sport , it has to do with was the package he brought to the stage on that particularnight better than the one Ronnie did and thats was a yes , Jay may NOT have been better than Ronnie 364 days out of the year but he was better on the day it matter most.
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Okay you claimed its fixed and this would mean you have inside information , so now the burden of proof lies on you to prove your claim , put up or shut up big shot
ND continues to play dumb in recycling the same questions that been posed and answered many times over, most recently just the other day when he admitted tha he has no viable explanation for Yates' win in '97.
The onus is squarely still on ND. OWNED.
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Okay you claimed its fixed and this would mean you have inside information , so now the burden of proof lies on you to prove your claim , put up or shut up big shot , either provide proof that it was fixed or keep quite
I find it truly amazing that ND still doesn't understand the placings in the olympia are largely politically determined.
A very small minority (ND your included by the way) are so gullible that they'll swallow any story their handed.
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ND continues to make the same arguments while acting as if the question hasn't been posed and answered many times. In fact, he acknowledged just the other day that he has no viable explanation for Yates' win in '97. OWNED.
I personally thought Yates should have lost in 1997 but the judges didn't straight firsts , that has nothing to with anything , I'm only basing my assesment on video and pictures , if you can trust the judges picks when it suits your favorites than they apply when they don't .
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It has NOTHGING to do with bring anything new to the sport , it has to do with was the package he brought to the stage on that particularnight better than the one Ronnie did and thats was a yes , Jay may NOT have been better than Ronnie 364 days out of the year but he was better on the day it matter most.
Yes it does.
It speaks volumes of the sad fate of this sport when the premier show, the superbowl of bodybuilding is won by a man that doesnt belong in the top 5
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I personally thought Yates should have lost in 1997 but the judges didn't straight firsts , that has nothing to with anything , I'm only basing my assesment on video and pictures
Which means you have no viable explanation to the evidence of politics that you keep denying, in '97, '81 and '82. Can't have it both ways.
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I find it truly amazing that ND still doesn't understand the placings in the olympia are largely politically determined.
A very small minority (ND your included by the way) are so gullible that they'll swallow any story their handed.
Again how ironic it is that Ronnie showed up looking like garbage and Jay looked better , again spare me the conspricy theories if you have proof to the contrary I'll listen but if not I'll dismiss your nonsense to being a delusional , jaded and bitter fan .
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Quote from: sculpture on Today at 12:12:30 PM
I find it truly amazing that ND still doesn't understand the placings in the olympia are largely politically determined.
Playing dumb is a device used to recycle old arguments in lieu of content. Deny, deny, deny with no content while trying to put others on the defensive instead of actually discussing. ;)
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Again how ironic it is that Ronnie showed up looking like garbage and Jay looked better , again spare me the conspricy theories if you have proof to the contrary I'll listen but if not I'll dismiss your nonsense to being a delusional , jaded and bitter fan .
Considering that dorian showed up every year looking like dog shit bar 92 and 93, your statement doesnt mean squat.
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Which means you have no viable explanation to the possibility of politics that you keep denying. Can't have it both ways.
You want an explanation? Dorian lost in the front compared to Nasser and Dominated him from the sides and from the back , Dorian was just as heavy and made Nasser look small in some poses , this is why Nasser lost .
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Playing dumb is part of the device used to recycle old arguments in lieu of content.
Gold.
Utter gold.
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You want an explanation? Dorian lost in the front compared to Nasser and Dominated him from the sides and from the back , Dorian was just as heavy and made Nasser look small in some poses , this is why Nasser lost .
Not convincing; nor were your explanations for '81 and '82 anything more than fluff.
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Considering that dorian showed up every year looking like dog shit bar 92 and 93, your statement doesnt mean squat.
Comming from a biased perspective thats your opinion and the judges thought otherwise . ;)
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Not convincing; nor were your nonexistent explanations for '81 and '82.
I don't have to convince you lol Yates had to convince the judges and he did get over it lol 1997 is long gone.
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Comming from a biased perspective thats your opinion and the judges thought otherwise . ;)
Actually its pretty much the general consenus and not just my opinion.
What are you claiming otherwise?
That he showed up every year and was the deserving winner.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
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Fine; lol all you want you have nothing to stand behind. Politics exist and have been a significant factor in various decisions, and you have done nothing to prove otherwise.
I left out Robinson, who was deserving of at least 1-2 Olympias in the late 70s. Padilla as well. Most of the elite guys left the IFBB in the early 80s thanks to the politics that ND claims don't exist; i guess he knows better than them. hahahahaahahah
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Actually its pretty much the general consenus and not just my opinion.
What are you claiming otherwise?
That he showed up every year and was the deserving winner.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Wow that must mean you're all right ::) its a fix when Ronnie loses but when Ronnie wins its not lol hypocrites the lot of you , Ronnie had more close calls than Yates ever did , Ronnie was hit or miss and could have easily lost 4 My Olympias , 1998 , 2001 , 2002 , 2004 , he lost the 2002 SOS and ironically he showed up there looking like garbage as well lol keep crying Coleman fans thats all you can do at this point.
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Fine; lol all you want you have nothing to stand behind. Politics exist and have been a significant factor in various decisions, and you have done nothing to prove otherwise.
I left out Robinson, who was deserving of at least 1-2 Olympias in the late 70s. Padilla as well. Most of the elite guys left the IFBB in the early 80s thanks to the politics that ND claims don't exist; i guess he knows better than them. hahahahaahahah
According to who you? you're not a judge and what do you know? you think Ronnie deserved to win this past Olympia lol like the rest of the Coleman nuthuggers you don't know anything if you think Ronnie deserved to win in 2006 and and talk about NOT standing behind anything if you have proof that the Weiders fix contests they provide and if you can't stop crying a fix when your personal favorites don't win.
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Wow that must mean you're all right ::) its a fix when Ronnie loses but when Ronnie wins its not lol hypocrites the lot of you , Ronnie had more close calls than Yates ever did , Ronnie was hit or miss and could have easily lost 4 My Olympias , 1998 , 2001 , 2002 , 2004 , he lost the 2002 SOS and ironically he showed up there looking like garbage as well lol keep crying Coleman fans thats all you can do at this point.
I don't believe i've stated he was deserving of all the olympias?
The fix in 2006 is evident to all except perhaps a myopic ghoul.
We've been through this countless times: in dorians questionable victories we can provide a competitor who should of won that year.
In the case of colemans suspect victories such the ones you've listed, bar 2001, you are and have the past been unable to provide an alternative winner.
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I don't believe i've stated he was deserving of all the olympias?
The fix in 2006 is evident to all except perhaps a myopic ghoul.
We've been through this countless times: in dorians questionable victories we can provide a competitor who should of won that year.
In the case of colemans suspect victories such the ones you've listed, bar 2001, you are and have the past been unable to provide an alternative winner.
I guess most of his fellow Pros are ' myopic ghouls ' because they said Ronnie was off and lost , only whinny cry babies are claiming a fix its all you have left
and you want an alternative winner for 1998? Flex Wheeler could have easily replaced Ronnie , 2002 Kevin Levrone won both posing rounds at that show and could have easily replaced Coleman , 2004 Ronnie was huge and doughy Jay closed the gap on him at that contest and these strictly speaking are contest that the judges deemed close on their scorecards , for you to claim 2006 was a fixed contest clearly shows the level of your delusion.
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3 years an even further fall from gracefrom his best years of 1996 to 2001 ASC
2003 Ronnie was the most amazing combo of size and conditioning to ever to grace a bodybuilding stage in my eyes.
He really was from another planet that year.
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ND's hypocrisy is incredible:
most of the reasons that he does not think Jay is olympia material are clearly evident in his hero, Dorian Yates:
(http://www.graphicmuscle.com/photos/730/Men/RH9K3272.jpg)
(http://body.builder.hu/imagebank/pictures/974026807.jpg)
uncanny resemblence.
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ND's hypocrisy is incredible:
most of the reasons that he does not think Jay is olympia material are clearly evident in his hero, Dorian Yates:
(http://www.graphicmuscle.com/photos/730/Men/RH9K3272.jpg)
(http://body.builder.hu/imagebank/pictures/974026807.jpg)
uncanny resemblence.
And both blocky white guys owned Coleman lmfao
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THat soletti calves in the 2006 pics are so funny ;D. I'm weighing 195 pds and have bigger calves than Coleman :D
I Really doubt that.
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Are you implying that Vince looks better than Ronnie, or that Vince has been better at maintaining his previous best form with age? If so I would agree, but it's not that hard to maintain your previous best when you were only at Vince's level, which is a far cry from Ronnie's level.
Stop comparing Ronnie to himself and to perfection, and start comparing him to the rest of the competition.
Oh I did compare Ronnie to Jay and Jay won ! lol and the lame excuse Camp-Coleman was claiming is Ronnie was being judged against his 2003 form if that was the case he would have lost in 2004 plain & simple .
No one expected Ronnie to be 2003 they just expected him to be a LOT better than what he showed up in 2006
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I would have had Ronnie winning the Olympia in pictures I saw, but as for the Grand Prix shows. :-X It was 2002 GNC form all over again - but Jay was off too, but I still think looked clearly better in some pictures. Jay's back was far better at the Olympia though.
2006 Mr Olympia wasn't close in reality or in the judges eyes
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What the judges think is irrelevant. It is easily debatable Ronnie should have won the 2006 Olympia. The only area where Jay was not even close to Ronnie was from the back. Everything else WAS close.
LMFAO what the judges think is irrelevant , get serious their pick is ALL THAT MATTERS fans opinions don't , Jay was better conditioning and simply looked better in most of the mandatory poses , give Ronnie the side chest and front double biceps , Jay beat him in every other pose with perhaps a push in the most muscular .
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I would have front lat would go to Ronnie as well. His taper was superior and taper really makes that pose.
maybe a push .
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As you can see, Ronnie was close with Jay in some areas and arguably better. For example, it would not be unreasonable to say Ronnie could have those poses. It's up for debate.
I think the only area where there would be no debate to speak of would be the back poses and the abs and thigh. But back poses needed to be further broken down. For example, you can't ignore glutes and hamstrings in that pose. Jay had the better abs, but his taper was weak in that pose, kind of reminiscent of Gunter's lack of a taper.
The one way I reconcile Jay's victories is when I see Ronnie and Jay hitting the back shots. Otherwise, it could still be debated in my book. Had Ronnie come in with his best ever back, I would say he would have won. As it was, this did not happen and Ronnie lost, but I still contend it was close.
Now the grand prix shows are another story!!
Jay was close to Ronnie in the poses Ronnie seemingly won.. it wasn't Ronnie absolutely destroyed Jay in the poses it was he had an edge , but Ronnie's conditioning was well off , Jay accumulated more points to seperate himself from Ronnie and was a clear cut winner.
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And both blocky white guys owned Coleman lmfao
yup, when ronnie was either adolenscent or elderly ::).
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LMFAO what the judges think is irrelevant , get serious their pick is ALL THAT MATTERS fans opinions don't ,
this doesn't even make sense! haha what a joke!
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LOL you guys are forgetting that Ronnie probably has one expensive car for each day of the week.
so does jay.
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Jay is the Columbu of the new millenium. They'll tread water with him and others till someone great shows up.
The more interesting thing is why they did this to Coleman onstage vs. Yates allowed to win in virtually the same bad condition-what went on, who did they talk to, or not.
you keep forgetting that dorian was the hardest guy on stage and in the best condition of anyone in the lineup. wide waste or not. cant same the same for coleman this year. he's lucky he got 2nd.
also, its not like dorian tore his lat and ruined his calves or midsection. unlike coleman who has ruined his body by tearing his best muscles like his back and biceps.
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you keep forgetting that dorian was the hardest guy on stage and in the best condition of anyone in the lineup. wide waste or not. cant same the same for coleman this year. he's lucky he got 2nd.
also, its not like dorian tore his lat and ruined his calves or midsection. unlike coleman who has ruined his body by tearing his best muscles like his back and biceps.
Oh really? Ronnie tore his biceps??? Interesting....
You're full of shit! I challenge you to find even one only pic where his BICEPS look torn.
You can make a case for his triceps or his lat (and still they are not torn) but the BICEPS ::)....
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Yes, I can agree with this. Jay blew Ronnie away from the back, but the poses I would have given to Ronnie were close.
Ronnie may not have been as dry as Jay, but his amazing upper body hardness really caught my eyes and especially his arms. However, Jay's abs and quads were so deeply cut I can see why the judges gave it to him.
It is at the grand prix shows where I will be the first to say Ronnie was way off. Reminiscent of the 2002 GNC!
Ronnie's back still thick as a craphouse though...
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nothing lasts forever
BEST QUOTE to define Ronnie!
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nothing lasts forever
nothing lats forever?
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Oh really? Ronnie tore his biceps??? Interesting....
You're full of shit! I challenge you to find even one only pic where his BICEPS look torn.
You can make a case for his triceps or his lat (and still they are not torn) but the BICEPS ::)....
yes, i meant triceps, not biceps.
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back in 82'....
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yup, when ronnie was either adolenscent or elderly ::).
give it up already.
do you really hate white people that much?
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you keep forgetting that dorian was the hardest guy on stage and in the best condition of anyone in the lineup. wide waste or not. cant same the same for coleman this year. he's lucky he got 2nd.
You continue to discredit yourself with continued application of your arbitrary judging criteria, which conveniently overweighs the attributes you like in Yates. It's been pointed out to you over and over again, and you keep pretending it doesn't matter because you say so.
Bottom line despite your delusions: Yates looked like shit in '97 and with an IFBB with integrity and without agendas, would've been beaten just as Coleman was.
You're about the only one i've seen on getbig who doesn't already know this; congrats. ;D
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yup, when ronnie wasn't good enough or past his prime ::).
I fixed that for you ;)
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Ronnie wanted to break Haney's record of eight in a row. So he needs to start again next year and win until 2015.
Well he did say he'd be around a lot longer than anyone would want him to be lol