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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: 240 is Back on October 23, 2006, 09:31:57 PM
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As we heard on the radio show tonight, Cook is leaving BBing for UFC fighting.
This makes me wonder- If his pro card was indeed a gift (as many have asserted it was), does this clearly show that giving pro cards to marketable guys who have "earned it", although they don't have the most impressive physique onstage, is a TERRIBLE IDEA?
Cook had looks, a Weider contract, and was crowned a pro when he might not have earned it. And what happened? He didn't succeed at all as a pro, and moved on. This means a pro card that COULD have gone to a guy with potential to make a mark as a pro, did not.
Rewarding loyalty and basing pro card decisions on marketing potential - bad idea?
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Richard Jones :o
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SHeavys 04 Nationals
1.Chris Cook- overall winner
2.Bill Wilmore
3.Marcus Haley
4.Jerome Ferguson
5.Omar Deckard
6.Rich Piana
Decent lineup, I wouldnt say it was a gift.. he may have looked like shite recently but he compared well against the above company.
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Cooked? How?
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Cooked? How?
cooked as in, wasted. his pro card could have gone to a superior athlete, and we'd have one more good pro today.
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cooked as in, wasted. his pro card could have gone to a superior athlete, and we'd have one more good pro today.
I dont think there is a shortage of good pros or pros period. If anything maybe there are too many pros :-\
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cooked as in, wasted. his pro card could have gone to a superior athlete, and we'd have one more good pro today.
Jerome Fergusson. The only guy on earth that can wear full body spandex yearound and not be questioned. Been around forever and deserved it 100 times more than genetically defficient Chris Cook.
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the guy beat his competitors fair and square on that day...why would u think it was a gift?
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Anyone got any recent pics of Cook?
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his pro card could have gone to a superior athlete, and we'd have one more good pro today.
they're giving out pro cards to every class winner at the nationals, two cards at the USA, one at Team Universe, North American, Masters Nationals. there's no shortage of amatuers turning pro
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everybodies a cage fighter ::)
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cooked as in, wasted. his pro card could have gone to a superior athlete, and we'd have one more good pro today.
Ahh the travesty!
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the first pic is from when he won his pro card.
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Anyone got any recent pics of Cook?
Check your avatar.
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Rewarding loyalty and basing pro card decisions on marketing potential - bad idea?
I think the guy had marketing AND BBing potential. His physique speaks for itself. Reminds me of Cutler. He wasn't the best early on, and now look where he is.
Would be good to give a pro card to, say, the 2nd or 3rd guy at the Nationals or whatever, if they have that marketable look (e.g. Cutler, Cook, Draper, Arnold) with a decent body. However, that won't happen because obviously it's bias. BBing needs more guys with looks to be on the mags and become posterchildren.
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I would like to see him get his ass kicked in the UFC,
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so long for the great white hope
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I know that normally I'm all about the marketing. But hearing that last night, I just had to scratch my head and think about recent pros, many who have been given pro cards based upon loyalty. Who was the guy who got robbed recently (he was a mayhem sweetheart), then won his card the next go-round when many had him fifth?
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the guy beat his competitors fair and square on that day...why would u think it was a gift?
you must of been at another show!
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or...u don't know how to judge a phisique ;)
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240,
Cook beat those other guys fair and square. If they were any better than Cook and should have gotten their pro card at that show, would it really have made a difference? Look at the competition. It's more like a line at a movie theater: Wilmore, who got his pro card the following year; Haley, who got his card 2 years later, and Deckard, who got his card this year. None of whom will ever accomplish anything of significance in this game.
Regards,
240 Oops, I meant Speacial Ed
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Cook had the gene's from the front,needed harder ham's and more complete back to be top placer,but is was very clear by his showing's that he didn't want to take it to the full limit on what is needed to be freaky in this game.
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Smart guy, he can make more $$$$ in one MMA fight then most pro's will make in their careers.
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240,
Cook beat those other guys fair and square. If they were any better than Cook and should have gotten their pro card at that show, would it really have made a difference? Look at the competition. It's more like a line at a movie theater: Wilmore, who got his pro card the following year; Haley, who got his card 2 years later, and Deckard, who got his card this year. None of whom will ever accomplish anything of significance in this game.
Regards,
240 Oops, I meant Speacial Ed
hi 240
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cooked as in, wasted. his pro card could have gone to a superior athlete, and we'd have one more good pro today.
If the athlete really was superior he would have beaten Cook regardless.
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I think Cook realized he wasn't going to make enough bread as an IFBB Pro.
He probably realized he wasn't going to place very well & eventually loose all contracts.
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I think Cook realized he wasn't going to make enough bread as an IFBB Pro.
He probably realized he wasn't going to place very well & eventually loose all contracts.
Its lose not loose. Here is an example: Cook is going to lose. Knny's ass is loose.
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Its lose not loose. Here is an example: Cook is going to lose. Knny's ass is loose.
thanks for the spell check....
you finally did something useful
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thanks for the spell check....
you finally did something useful
haha! i was scared i was the only one who thought he was a useless twat.
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Go clean a gerbal with your ass.
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Go clean a gerbal with your ass.
Where did I ask you for your tips on anal cleaning?? I know your the one to go to for those tips but I don't remember asking. thanks anyways alex.
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Go clean a gerbal with your ass.
never tried that one....
Alexxx....does it really work?
;D
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As we heard on the radio show tonight, Cook is leaving BBing for UFC fighting.
This makes me wonder- If his pro card was indeed a gift (as many have asserted it was), does this clearly show that giving pro cards to marketable guys who have "earned it", although they don't have the most impressive physique onstage, is a TERRIBLE IDEA?
Cook had looks, a Weider contract, and was crowned a pro when he might not have earned it. And what happened? He didn't succeed at all as a pro, and moved on. This means a pro card that COULD have gone to a guy with potential to make a mark as a pro, did not.
Rewarding loyalty and basing pro card decisions on marketing potential - bad idea?
Chris Cook is going to get into UFC fighting?Thats a hell of a jump from bodybuilding.I dont honestly think Cook will even make a dent in the UFC, but who knows, I could be wrong.
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I think Cook realized he wasn't going to make enough bread as an IFBB Pro.
He probably realized he wasn't going to place very well & eventually loose all contracts.
so instead he decided to become a cage fighter! does anybody know his background in fighting?
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so instead he decided to become a cage fighter! does anybody know his background in fighting?
Honestly...I never cared enough to know his background in bodybuilding let alone fighting.
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Honestly...I never cared enough to know his background in bodybuilding let alone fighting.
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;D
I think I'm gonna start flying planes and stop working at mcdonalds :-\
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Smart guy, he can make more $$$$ in one MMA fight then most pro's will make in their careers.
Don't be absurd. Unless you're at the top, and I mean the very top, you won't make much money in MMA at all. They are very underpaid indeed.
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hes going to get destroyed,
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Chris Cook is going to get into UFC fighting?Thats a hell of a jump from bodybuilding.I dont honestly think Cook will even make a dent in the UFC, but who knows, I could be wrong.
He'll make a dent........in the mat when he gets KTFO.
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Don't be absurd. Unless you're at the top, and I mean the very top, you won't make much money in MMA at all. They are very underpaid indeed.
Even w/ MMA fighters making shit $, it's still better than most pro BBer's. Unless you're top 3 or 5, you didn't even recoup your contest prep expenses. Just b/c of his bodybuilding marketability, he'll probably get a few decent fights for some of the smaller productions. Does he have any fighting background? Are the ads w/ Arlovski for Gamma O the closest he's been connected to MMA? ;D
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Id rather have Dave Palumbo as a pro..... At least we can laugh at him!!! Cook threw his potential away.
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..... At least we can laugh at him!!! Cook threw his potential away.
...But walks away with 2 healthy kidneys.
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...But walks away with 2 healthy kidneys.
yup.
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Why all the naysayers on Cook's MMA career move? Who knows...maybe he's been studying martial arts for years...
TOP TEN REASONS FOR CHRIS COOK TO JUMP TO THE UFC
1. Pre-contest expenses cut from $3500/month to $150/month for membership at Gracie Jui Jitsu
2. Can eat "baker's dozen" of donuts on daily basis without looking worse than current UFC champion.
3. Will get paid more for getting knocked out in 30 seconds than he was paid competing for 2 years in the IFBB.
4. Doesn't have to worry about being mocked for guest-posing condition by bucktooth jackasses on Getbig.com.
5. No longer has to deal with pressure as being "great white hope" in white-dominated UFC.
6. Gay-for-pay business just as good in the MMA industry, according to Phil Baroni.
7. Wide open for MMA marketing opportunities for a guy with muscles. Xyience will have me looking like a beer-chugging fantasy football leaguer in no time? Deal!
8. Can share highlight and hair coloring tips with new comrades Tito Ortiz, Chris Leben, and Kevin Randleman.
9. Never really liked "feminine" nose and plastic surgery too expensive.
10. After getting punched in the gut by his sponsors, what's a few more punches?
Special "Regional Semi-Finalist" Ed
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What if Chris Cook actually knows how to fight, and becomes a winning fighter, or at least a .500 record guy.
Would you guys give him props?
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Bottom line is...Chris Cook is doing what's best for himself and his wife.
He's always been one of the smarter guys, and has re-assessed where he is in life, whats important, and where he see's his families future. He can always come back to Pro BB...He's only 30.
I personally think he's making a smart move by securing financial security at THIS point, and not getting to be 35-40 and THEN trying to figure out what to do with his life...
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I personally think he's making a smart move by securing financial security at THIS point, and not getting to be 35-40 and THEN trying to figure out what to do with his life...
Bob,
How is Chris "securing financial security at THIS point"? Last time I checked, low level MMA fights pay under $1000 per fight and the UFC pays under $5000 for non-title fights.
Special "NUM83R5" Ed
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when cook says mma, does he mean wwe?
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Bob,
How is Chris "securing financial security at THIS point"? Last time I checked, low level MMA fights pay under $1000 per fight and the UFC pays under $5000 for non-title fights.
Special "NUM83R5" Ed
The MMA thing is totally irrelevant...
Chris is working in the financial consulting business...it's a paying, regular job with great potential for moving up the ladder and making a secure living.
He never said (nor did I) that he was thinking about making a living from it...
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Chris had the potential to be top 10 at the O easy and he wasted it
with his look he was one of the most marketable pro too
it's a shame he never got in shape
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Chris had the potential to be top 10 at the O easy and he wasted it
with his look he was one of the most marketable pro too
it's a shame he never got in shape
IMO, I don't believe Chris wasnt in shape through lack of trying. I just dont think his body was responding to the "supps" and needed a break (while relatively healthy).
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Chris had the potential to be top 10 at the O easy and he wasted it
with his look he was one of the most marketable pro too
it's a shame he never got in shape
I disagree....
He's another "Tamali" type bodybuilder. Doesn't have what it takes to be top 10 at the Olympia.
He's smarter than Tamali though.
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IMO, I don't believe Chris wasnt in shape through lack of trying. I just dont think his body was responding to the "supps" and needed a break (while relatively healthy).
don't think so
I call bullshit on the " the body isn't responding very well to the drugs anymore "
I know a lot of guys who use incredibly high dosage for years and it never stop to be effective
I have heard quite a few time that Chris often cheated on his diet, and I believe it cause getting lean is the easiest shit ever if you follow your diet
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I disagree....
He's another "Tamali" type bodybuilder. Doesn't have what it takes to be top 10 at the Olympia.
He's smarter than Tamali though.
I agree with mr. Whiskers here but only slightly. Chris is levels above tamali.
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Chris has a structure that Kamali can only dream to have
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Chris has a structure that Kamali can only dream to have
Chris just hasn't had enough time to screw it up like Tamali.
What time he did have....he really did nothing with it.....just like Tamali
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Chris just hasn't had enough time to screw it up like Tamali.
What time he did have....he really did nothing with it.....just like Tamali
wen you look at picture from kamali, even from 1999, his arms always sucked big time and his waist was quite large even back then
Chris Cook had a levrone-like structure but he was too lazy to get in crazy condition
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wen you look at picture from kamali, even from 1999, his arms always sucked big time and his waist was quite large even back then
Chris Cook had a levrone-like structure but he was too lazy to get in crazy condition
Honestly.....I always thought Chris sucked. IMO...he barely earned his Pro Card
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Honestly.....I always thought Chris sucked. IMO...he barely earned his Pro Card
I think he sucks too but it doesn't erase the fact that he had a lot of potential
hell Cormier at the potential to be MR.O and he didn't do jack shit with it too
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Cook has a very good structure and would have been a solid pro if he was 100% dedicated. He doesn't suck, he just sucks at dieting.
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Cook has a very good structure and would have been a solid pro if he was 100% dedicated. He doesn't suck, he just sucks at dieting.
i can't wait to see him get his ass kicked. does he have any prior training?
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oh yeah. the title of this thread sucks.
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There is a big difference between dieting and dialing in...
No one was more focused or dedicated than Chris. If anything, he may have been a little TOO obsessed with perfection.
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There is a big difference between dieting and dialing in...
No one was more focused or dedicated than Chris. If anything, he may have been a little TOO obsessed with perfection.
Yeah you can tell by the earings.. ::)
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There is a big difference between dieting and dialing in...
No one was more focused or dedicated than Chris. If anything, he may have been a little TOO obsessed with perfection.
what do you mean Chick
that he only messed things up the last week ?
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don't think so
I call bullshit on the " the body isn't responding very well to the drugs anymore "
I know a lot of guys who use incredibly high dosage for years and it never stop to be effective
I have heard quite a few time that Chris often cheated on his diet, and I believe it cause getting lean is the easiest shit ever if you follow your diet
i agree. ive heard quite a few people say that chris never stayed hardcore on his dieting. therefore he came in soft.
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Chris shouldn't waste his potential like that - he should be using the 2-3 years to IMPROVE, not regress. BIG mistake, unless he needs the dough.
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what do you mean Chick
that he only messed things up the last week ?
Chris' problem was the ability to really get a program that allowed him to dry out and retain the size neccessary to place higher at the pro level...water retention is a huge problem amongst Bbers, and Chris always had a problem fighting water.
This was no reflection of his work ethic (which was second to none) or his ability to diet strictly..anyone who was close to Chris knew his discipline was 100%..he had no problem sticking to a diet and to sugggest he did is absurd.
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Chris' problem was the ability to really get a program that allowed him to dry out and retain the size neccessary to place higher at the pro level...water retention is a huge problem amongst Bbers, and Chris always had a problem fighting water.
This was no reflection of his work ethic (which was second to none) or his ability to diet strictly..anyone who was close to Chris knew his discipline was 100%..he had no problem sticking to a diet and to sugggest he did is absurd.
He must not know food values very well to get lean with any consistency. And perhaps had a bad response to certain drugs or not knowing enough about them that allowed him to retain water.
That is the only justification for him not being lean at times.
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There is a lot more to it than that....If you ever competed, you would have a better understanding that it's a lot tougher than you think to come in 100% on game day...you can be flat, holding water, over/ under-carbed, over-dehydrated, etc...
This gets compounded with each level that you achieve, as the physiques get better and have less flaws.
Walk a mile in the shoes, son...
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Anybody who's ever stepped on stage knows that dialing it in is an extremely hard thing to do.
Timing is a bitch, and on the pro level its a whole other ball game. I don't think Chris tried hard enough to figure out his own body. Look at Lee, he has been competing for years and through personal experience learned how to come in consistently on point.Contest Prep is indeed an art, and can only be learned through experience. Cook should have stuck around a little longer to see if he could have turned it around.
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The MMA thing is totally irrelevant...
Chris is working in the financial consulting business...it's a paying, regular job with great potential for moving up the ladder and making a secure living.
LOL @ thought of Chris selling retirement packages by day and fishooking guys by night.
I see edward norton from fight club- coming into work with black eyes, spouting bloody noses at office meetings...
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Well, obviously....Chris wasn't all that good....no matter how "disciplined" he was.
Just another Tamali
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Yes, but Cook doesn't have the pre-requisite 14 tattoos needed to be a good UFC fighter.
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That's too bad. Dude had a lot of potential. but in the end, this is probably the right decision.
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Chick ,
I agree totally but what you seem to miss here is that the muscle that he had packed on was very young and not mature, thick or grainy muscle.
He came into the sport not long ago only weighing 180 lbs soaking wet and with 2 years exploded so you know his physique wasn't built with a strong foundation and years of dedicated iron discipline.
He has yet to find himself as a bodybuilder it takes years to know exactly how your body works and to dial it in just perfectly.
Thats why he never came in awesome condition , he is young and has a lot to learn.
BIG NOLI::))
Chris' problem was the ability to really get a program that allowed him to dry out and retain the size neccessary to place higher at the pro level...water retention is a huge problem amongst Bbers, and Chris always had a problem fighting water.
This was no reflection of his work ethic (which was second to none) or his ability to diet strictly..anyone who was close to Chris knew his discipline was 100%..he had no problem sticking to a diet and to sugggest he did is absurd.