Stella, have you got alzheimers?
We've just had a "Learn about Islam" sticky.
Maybe. But the last post on the Islam thread was Oct 23. Time for a new belief system :)
Nordic, you may not have been around when we did "Scientology." It was pretty interesting.
oh....or you are making a joke? ??? sorry, it may be the alzheimers :(
Hi Count G. and thanks for helping us to learn about your belief system.
1) What is a "psychic vampire?"
2) Several of the statements by LaVey use the words "instead of." Are the subsequent words in the statements referring to Christianity? If so, do you think this gives credence to Christianity?
3) Other than Christianity and Judaism, do other belief systems present the devil as a real being?
haahaa, are you really trying to be serious?
It is good to start from the beginning with the basics of any religion. I guess I am under the assumption that most people on this thread have already done their research on satanism and most other religions, however having come across a great deal of christians who are hesitant to discuss satanism on any level, perhaps feeling it may infiltrate their pure thoughts.... at Stella's request, we'll see where this thread goes (to HELL perhaps).
I've never been taken up by any christian I've offered to read the satanic bible, they won't even touch it. They don't "need to" read it, they know all they need to know, or so they say. I can say I have read a good deal of the bible, both new and old testament. I have nothing to fear from it and it most certainly doesn't cause my own faith to waver.
Perhaps their are some other satanists lurking who would like to join in and offer their experiences or impart some knowledge and truths.
Here are the orginal 9 Satanic statements as given by Anton LaVey
1. Satan represents indulgence instead of abstinence!
2. Satan represents vital existence instead of spiritual pipe dreams!
3. Satan represents undefiled wisdom instead of hypocritical self-deceit!
4. Satan represents kindness to those who deserve it instead of love wasted on ingrates!
5. Satan represents vengeance instead of turning the other cheek!
6. Satan represents responsibility to the responsible instead of concern for psychic vampires!
7. Satan represents man as just another animal, sometimes better, more often worse than those that walk on all-fours, who, because of his “divine spiritual and intellectual development,” has become the most vicious animal of all!
8. Satan represents all of the so-called sins, as they all lead to physical, mental, or emotional gratification!
9. Satan has been the best friend the Church has ever had, as He has kept it in business all these years!
Ok, bible beaters, time to throw your worthless, manipulated 10 commandments into the fire !
yes, why?
What's a psychic vampire DonkeyKong? I don't think the Count is online yet.
Hi Count G. and thanks for helping us to learn about your belief system.
1) What is a "psychic vampire?"
2) Several of the statements by LaVey use the words "instead of." Are the subsequent words in the statements referring to Christianity? If so, do you think this gives credence to Christianity?
3) Other than Christianity and Judaism, do other belief systems present the devil as a real being?
Good Post
Leaving aside the bullshit rituals you see on tv, satanism is really nothing more than existential utilitarianism and to me is more of a code of ethics(or lack thereof) than a religion
These are good questions DonkeyKong...
1) A psychic vampire can really be defined 2 ways "now". The past few years, the subculture of people who really believe they ARE vampiric, have broken this down into sanguinarius (blood needy) vampires and psi (or psychic) vampires, who feed off of the psychic energy of others.
I believe LaVey was referring to psychic vampires in the context of people who are a waste of your time, energy, thought process. You know the people you've encountered that you just feel a bit dumber after you've talked to them, or the people who are in your circle or inner circle of friends who have no responsibility or accountability for themselves and YOU are the one they are always turning to, or using, to get them out of a situation.
The difference between helping a truly needy friend and constantly enabling a no-account (I had another example on the tip of my tongue, but have lost it).
2) I do not feel they are referring specifically to christians Stella. In my opinion only statement #9 does.
3) I don't know. Satanism does not.
I would not disagree with this, humanism is probably a simpler term that more people would be able to understand.
8. Satan represents all of the so-called sins, as they all lead to physical, mental, or emotional gratification!
How does lying lead to physical, mental, or emotional gratification?
Your fat wife asks if she look fat. You lie and say she does not.
You feel good emotionally and mentally because you didnt hurt her feelings, and the blow job she gives you as a thankyou takes care of the physical ;)
Thanks for all this info Count.
1) Maybe I am confused but are you saying that Satanism itself does not recognize Satan as a real being? If so, why do they choose to call it satanism instead of humanism? (plus he is named in #9 of the statements)
2) In #1 of the statements of Satanism, is there a stated "limit" to what self-indulgence is acceptable? Such as "as long as it doesn't hurt anyone else?" Or is "the sky the limit" meaning something like a secret adulterous affair is acceptable?
Believe it or not I had no idea thats what humanism ment :-[
If Satan is King of Lies, wouldn't his book be lies.
Then if his book is lies, aren't you following deceit.
Satanists put their faith in lies.
How can Satanists figure out what to follow, if you can't discern the truth of your religion from the lies.
Anyone who takes any book as "gospel" is a fucking idiot, the Satanic bible included.
Exactly.
The satanic bible is a must read, because it opens up your thought process. It is not
scripture.
Christians fail because ultimately no one can lead a true christian lifestyle as spelled out
in the good book. Of course they are forgived of all sins, if they've accepted jesus as their
lord and saviour.
The problem with this, is that todays christians interpret this as do whatever you please,
because you are forgiven in the end.
I have no problem in saying that probably 2/3 of christians actually adhere to a more stringent
following of LaVey's book as they do the bible. Probably a conservative estimate to!
The problem with this, is that todays christians interpret this as do whatever you please,
because you are forgiven in the end.
I have no problem in saying that probably 2/3 of christians actually adhere to a more stringent
following of LaVey's book as they do the bible. Probably a conservative estimate to!
Count,
Your knowledge of Satanism is very interesting, but your knowledge of Christianity is flawed. I am a Christian, and I'm telling you that the statement above is false. Any person who calls himself/herself a Christian and has this interpretation of salvation through faith in Jesus Christ is not a true a Christian and is not truly saved.
I think what the count ment was xtians know they are not supposed to sin, yet "jebus forgives sins" so they essentially do whatever the f**k they want and just guilt themselves to feel pius after :)
Just because someone claims that they are Christian doesn't make it so.
hahaha, good analogy :D
beachbum, you never lied to someone, even trivial, as to spare their feelings, or make them feel better about themselves or a situation? I don't know if anyone hasn't, that would be the true find !
Dont think of Satan as a being, thats the same type of childish thought process that leads to prayer, eating jesus crackers, fucking up this life for the next (which aint happening).
Think of Satan as a word to describe the points count laid out in his post.
Anyone who takes any book as "gospel" is a fucking idiot, the Satanic bible included.
I'm talking about the lies told to cheat someone out of money, to steal, etc. Those kinds of lies always eventually lead to trouble, not physical, mental, or emotional gratification.
I agree 100%.
Would I lie, cheat or steal from an honest, hard working, "good" person? Not on my life.
Would I lie, cheat or steal from a criminal or someone who has done myself, my friends
or family wrong? Absolutely.
This is not a christian way, a christian would forgive and turn the other cheek. I would not.
Statements #4 and 5.
Actually, a Christian, like me, would seek justice without lying, cheating, or stealing. I would call the police, press charges, testify, seek restitution, etc. And I'd pray for the person who committed the crime. That's the Christian way.
loco and joker, I know the true definition of a christian and the lifestyle they should lead and the example they should set.Really, the biblical definition of a Christian is (abbreviated version) someone who recognizes their need for a savior and has accepted Jesus Christ as such.
ARE VERY FEW ACTUAL CHRISTIANS WHO LEAD A CHRISTIAN LIFESTYLE.
ARE VERY FEW ACTUAL CHRISTIANS WHO LEAD A CHRISTIAN LIFESTYLE.
The majority of these "christians" are quick to tell you they do though...
loco, you, joker, Stella and others on this board may actually be good christians and lead a true christian lifestyle. I'd be shocked if more than 1 or 2 of you, but it's possible.
thanks for the interpretation :)
loco, this is what I'm saying about 99% of "christians"...you know, the self-proclaimed kind that sit in church and think about how they'd like to have the "brother" sitting next to him's wife sit on his face kind.
Of course I'm not talking about a true christian person, but then again we are still looking for him or her. Well, at least I am.
Well, the 1 or 2 doesn't include me because I screw up everyday. EmbarrassedI don't claim to be a good Christian.
loco, this is what I'm saying about 99% of "christians"...you know, the self-proclaimed kind that sit in church and think about how they'd like to have the "brother" sitting next to him's wife sit on his face kind.
Of course I'm not talking about a true christian person, but then again we are still looking for him or her. Well, at least I am.
Not everyone who claims to be a Christian really is one
"Not everyone who claims to be a Christian really is one." True. And I think genuine Christians don't have to go around telling people. Their words and actions on a day-to-day basis speak volumes.
Very true. This is why I don't have the bumper sticker or the t-shirt...not that I'm condemning those who do have these. ;D
Does God want us to live in a specific way? Yes. Does any Christian on earth live up to 100% the way we are supposed to live? No. Do some Christians try to live that way 100% of the time? Probably yes. Do most Christians try? Not in my opinion (me included :( )
Your conception of a "Christian LIfestyle," I believe, is unattainable by anyone.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satanism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satanism)
Fundamental individualism
Satanism is often mistaken as being a religion that encourages cruelty and irresponsible behaviour, but LaVey's brand is very different. Central is the idea inherited from Nietzsche that an individual must enforce his own meaning on life and rise above the perceived conformity of the masses. The Satanist is seen as equivalent to Nietzsche's Übermensch; LaVey claimed "Satanists are born, not made" and that "[Satanists] have a disease called independence that needs to be recognised just like alcoholism." There is a libertarian element here; diversity is encouraged, everyone is expected to discover their own sexuality, chart their own personality, and decide their own ambitions in life. In this stress on individuality, Satanism is considered a "Left-Hand Path" religion.
God in Satanism
The Satanist does not believe in either the Judeo-Christian or Islamic ideas of God; the function of God is performed and satisfied by the Satanist him/herself. That is, the needs of worship, ritual, and religious/spiritual focus are directed, effectively, inwards towards the Satanist, as opposed to outwards, towards God.
LaVey proposes instead that as all gods are creations of man, worship of an external deity is worship of its creator by proxy. He suggests, then, that the rational Satanist should instead internalize his god, and therefore worship himself; hence the Satanic maxim, "I am my own god."
It follows that Satanism shuns the idea of belief in all other deities as well, including, to the surprise of many, Satan. Satan is viewed as a literary archetype, along the lines of John Milton's epic hero. This archetype is viewed not as a negative figure, but as a positive image of pride and mastery in opposition to servitude, faith, and humility.
Belief in any such externalized deities is generally considered grounds for excluding someone as a Satanist, and devil worship in particular is considered nothing more than a misguided inversion of Christianity.
I know a few people like this. Although I believe they are saved, they seem pretty judgemental and pious and holier-than-thou. They are aquaintances as I could not bring myself to spend enough time w/them to call them friends. One even tried to tell me she never sinned after she got saved! OH BROTHER!
Well, the 1 or 2 doesn't include me because I screw up everyday. :-[
Do some Christians try to live that way 100% of the time? Probably yes. Do most Christians try? Not in my opinion (me included :( )
Why don't you try Stella?
Thanks for the offer but I'm going to have to decline ;D
Screwup? Hmm, well there is always room for a convert.
You know Stella, most would've taken Darth Vader up on his offer to rule the galaxy, unlike that sniveling Skywalker ! :D
4. If a guest in your lair annoys you, treat him cruelly and without mercy.
5. Do not make sexual advances unless you are given the mating signal.
What is the "mating signal?"
It is good to start from the beginning with the basics of any religion.
...having come across a great deal of christians who are hesitant to discuss satanism on any level, perhaps feeling it may infiltrate their pure thoughts....
I can say I have read a good deal of the bible, both new and old testament. I have nothing to fear from it and it most certainly doesn't cause my own faith to waver.
Ok, bible beaters, time to throw your worthless, manipulated 10 commandments into the fire!
I believe LaVey was referring to psychic vampires in the context of people who are a waste of your time, energy, thought process.
You know the people you've encountered that you just feel a bit dumber after you've talked to them, or the people who are in your circle or inner circle of friends who have no responsibility or accountability for themselves and YOU are the one they are always turning to, or using, to get them out of a situation.
...you never lied to someone, even trivial, as to spare their feelings, or make them feel better about themselves or a situation? I don't know if anyone hasn't, that would be the true find !
...that would be the true find !
Quoting the bible is much better than actually thinking about an issue
Christians fail because ultimately no one can lead a true christian lifestyle as spelled out
in the good book.
I don't want to hear that someone is christian, I want to observe it !
The lady I work with is probably the closest I've personally met in my travels and you can re-read my definition of her and make your own conclusions. Great lady, proud to have as a friend, but by my definition, falls short, purposely so, of being a true christian person.
7. Acknowledge the power of magic if you have employed it successfully to obtain your desires. If you deny the power of magic after having called upon it with success, you will lose all you have obtained.
Good morning Count.
To what are they referring w/"the power of magic?"
Even though, as you've found out, Satanism is based on a very honourable system of morality and ethics, there is a certain aspect within a portion of the religion that embrace the spiritual side and practice ritual magic.
Are you in the percentage that believe in "Elder gods?" Do people "pray" to them?
There is also a certain percentage who believe in the Elder gods, the existence of good and evil, the power of evil. It is definitely not considered Satanic nor does it acknowledge the existence of "Satan", but the belief that good and evil do exist and these forces can be manipulated to ones advantage.
Do you? What kinds of rituals do you/they perform?
Are you in the percentage that believe in "Elder gods?" Do people "pray" to them?
Is the way that people believe they can manipulate the forces through ritual magic?
Sorry, Anabolic Outlaw burned me out on this thread quoting scripture.
Count, do you believe in an afterlife? If so, what is your conception?
No, I don't.
I've heard some compelling past-life regression stories though.
So what do think "Spirits" are. Do think that they are just in another realm of existance?
11. When walking in open territory, bother no one. If someone bothers you, ask him to stop. If he does not stop, destroy him.
I don't know, it is a good topic for discussion. I can't say I'm a believer or dis-believer at this point.
Count, in the above does "destroy" mean "kill?"
I had a cousin who could see them when she was little. You know, the whole, "Grandma say's Hi", type, except Grandma is dead. But as it says in the Bible to be wary of those who see spirits, and some go further to say that those people are going to hell. I think that when we are young we are more open to other realms, the Spirit Realm, so to speak, which I believe is another dimension of existence. Maybe "String Theory" can prove this correct.
Anyway, in the Spirit Realsm, there are Good Spirits, Bad Spirits, and the in between ambivilent spirits.
So to me, if one is good and dies, there spirit is such, and the same with the bad. Not really a Heaven or Hell, I guess they just exist. :-\ How does Satanism touch on the soul?
my biggest problem with christianity is that the bible is filled with all sorts of back talk such as turn the other cheek and then it says an eye for an eye. the bible dosent make sense to me it can be manulipulated to say whatever point the person is trying to get across. I dont understand this shit. The difference between satanism and christianity is that in satanism you are your own god. You dont have to give yourself to some higher power(that may not even exsist). I have looked into the church of satan and it is actually a pretty cool religion. The reason I looked is because I saw it under you avatar and wanted to for a while but never remembered. Before you guys come in and quote scripture you should check it out(anabolic outlaw)
Well done scooter. The more you dig deeper into christianity and have contact with the christian community, the more disillusioned you will end up. Not to offend anyone, but strictly in my opinion it is a religion for weak minds. I work with some real self proclaimed "bible beaters" and they are so far from christian people it is actually laughable, yet they are the last one to see this.
One is even a pastor in her church. I know the only reason she is there is because her life turned out empty and alone and it is the only thing left for her to turn to for acceptance. She is FAR from a true christian person at heart.
Once a logical person delves into satanism, they usually embrace it. I never looked back.
I am a salesman in a retail store the older guys are mostly christian these salesman are some of the most unethical people I have ever met. They use people to make money. I do it to but I dont claim to be a good chritian person. Most of the christians I know are hypocrits at least if I f**k up I can admit it, I dont tell people not to do something and then do the same thing.Most christians are normally weak minded people that need something to belive in because they dont belive in themselves.
Well done scooter. The more you dig deeper into christianity and have contact with the christian community, the more disillusioned you will end up. Not to offend anyone, but strictly in my opinion it is a religion for weak minds. I work with some real self proclaimed "bible beaters" and they are so far from christian people it is actually laughable, yet they are the last one to see this.
I am a salesman in a retail store the older guys are mostly christian these salesman are some of the most unethical people I have ever met.
They use people to make money. I do it to but I dont claim to be a good chritian person. Most of the christians I know are hypocrits at least if I f**k up I can admit it,
Reminds me of Houdini, who told his wife and friends, IF there is an afterlife, he will absolutely find a way to communicate this to them. No one heard from Harry again, despite yearly seances.
Do you hold Christians to a higher standard than you hold yourself? You admit here that you sometimes "f**k up." Do you think Christians being hypocrites is not them "f**king up?" If so, do you think their "f**king up" is worse than your "f**king up?" If so, why?
When you call them on it they make up some excuse for why its different for them that you. I am not the one saying that I am a good christian they are.
no not at all but I can admit that I f**k up and they cannot they think that they are doing nothing wrong. When you call them on it they make up some excuse for why its different for them that you. I am not the one saying that I am a good christian they are.
Count, do you believe that seances actually "work?"
I've seen tables move and rise off the floor, felt scratching on them, but I'm more inclined to think it was from energy as opposed to something else, but who knows. Nothing else out of the ordinary happened during or after.
I'd have to see something of some kind convincing to believe in spirits, good or evil. Like I said, it's one area I wish I could delve into a bit more.
What were you feeling when you saw these things happening? Cynicism? Fright? Wonder? Apathy?I'd say bewilderment. I still believe a collection of focused minds can create alot of energy and that this
Do you have anything specific in mind that you'd need to see to convince you that God or the devil or spirits or angels or demons are real?
Count Grishnackh is doing God's work.
Nothing specific, but something that at least to me can't be questioned. Kind of like the old Roswell wreckage, some people who saw it, are convinced it was metal like none other to this day (could wad it up and it would unravel perfectly seamless). Officials say it was Reynolds Wrap......but the people saw what they saw, believe what they believe and they are firm in that belief, because they witnessed it.
Do you think the Roswell story is true? And that people saw that "metal?"
Do you think the Roswell story is true? And that people saw that "metal?"
You know, it has been said by alien abductees that the "lil greys" believe that there is a "Great Creator"...
Yes I do :)Good morning Count :)
You know, it has been said by alien abductees that the "lil greys" believe that there is a "Great Creator"...
Good morning Count :)
Why do you accept the Roswell story and viewing of the metal as true?
In general, how do you determine what you accept as true and what you believe to be false?
I'm considering the source. These were average people, in a time before media attention existed. They reported what they saw, have never waivered from that belief and still stand by it to this day and aren't afraid of gov't retaliation anymore, since the gov't and military had decades to spin doctor the story how they wanted.
I know THEY believe what they saw and I believe that aliens exist and have visited here, so I have no reason to not believe they are reporting facts.
(Just in case you wondered, I'm not saying I doubt them)Well said, Stella! ;D
Count, when you look at your explanation of why you believe them, your criteria could apply to the people that saw Jesus after He had risen from the dead.
Over 500 people saw him arisen after His crucifixion. Most of them average people, in a time before media attention existed. Some we know about never waivered from their beliefs, would not recant and were murdered for that. They stood by their belief unto death.
Is it easier for you to believe the Roswell believers than the Christ Resurrected Believers because you don't trust the accuracy of the bible and it's supporting writings?
Is it easier for you to believe the Roswell believers than the Christ Resurrected Believers because you don't trust the accuracy of the bible and it's supporting writings?
Over 500 people saw him arisen after His crucifixion.
My only hatred towards religion is for the people who proclaim themselves to be holy and are anything but.
I can't stand that either but it doesn't make me hate Christianity or Jesus. If a person is spouting how "holy" they are they have a problem w/pride among other things.
Even Jesus called out those types of people:
"Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisess, you hypocrites! You are like whitewashed tombs, which look beautiful on the outside but on the inside are full of dead men's bones and everything unclean. In the same way, on the outside you appear to people as righteous but on the inside you are full of hypocrisy and wickedness." Matt 23:27-28
(See the entire chapter of Matthew 23 for Jesus laying the smackdown on the Pharisees and teachers of the law :) )
I would've liked to see you weigh in on the bodybuilding/christianity thread Stella. You weren't avoiding it were you?I wasn't avoiding it other than it was already 2 pages by the time I was able to view it.....I since have posted there. :)
Meanwhile, Count, some more questions re: satanism:
Is there any specific music or "hymns" of any type in regard to honoring satanism? I'm not talking about stuff that some people may regard as "satanic rock music" (which a lot of times is not) but something more attuned to the worship of "humanism/satanism?" If so, do you enjoy/listen to it and can you give some examples?
The handful of wiccans that I have had conversations and known personally don't listen to satanic heavy metal but more traditional as you would expect, old style Celtic music (some of it is very listenable). Very earthy people.
I listen to a heavier style of music, some satanic, some not. Though I do not search out for satanic lyrics or themes. If I like the musical style, I like it, if not, I don't. I like a heavier, industrial metal sound for the most part. "Most" satanic themed metal is theatrical. People tend to forget that musicians are on a stage performing. No different than an actor performing in a play.
There is one self proclaimed satanist whom I do listen to and find his older music very invigorating for lack of a better word,
King Diamond, though I prefer the stuff from his days as the lead singer/songwriter for Mercyful Fate. I do believe he is a Satanist in the true sense of the religion. Not just the theatrics of a musician who entertains onstage.
Here is a sample of his lyrics, the song is quite well written and if you like a hard rock sound, you would find this to be quite agreeable.The Oath
By the symbols of the creator
I swear henceforth to be
a faithful servant of his most
puissant archangel
the Prince Lucifer
whom the creator designated as his regent
and Lord of this World
I deny Jesus Christ...the deceiver
and I abjure the Christian faith
holding in contempt all of it's works
As a being now possessed of a human body
in this world I swear to give my full
allegiance to it's lawfull master,
to worship him our
Lord Satan and no other.
In the name of Satan, the ruler of Earth
open wide the gates of Hell
and come forth from the abyss
by these names: Satan, Leviathan,
Belial, Lucifer
I will kiss the goat
I swear to give my mind,
my body and soul unreservedly
to the furtherance of our
Lord Satan designs.
Do what thou wilt shall be the
whole of the law
as it was at the beginning
is now and ever shall be
a world without end...amen
Bear in mind that King Diamond is also a performer/entertainer. Almost every single one of his albums tells a story -- its like the musical equivalent of horror novels. And "Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the law" is Crowley, not LaVey.
He is a self-proclaimed Satanist, but I honestly don't think even HE knows what he believes.
And yes, I own most of his albums. ROCK!
The Eleven Satanic Rules of the Earth
1. Do not give opinions or advice unless you are asked.
2. Do not tell your troubles to others unless you are sure they want to hear them.
3. When in another’s lair, show him respect or else do not go there.
4. If a guest in your lair annoys you, treat him cruelly and without mercy.
5. Do not make sexual advances unless you are given the mating signal.
6. Do not take that which does not belong to you unless it is a burden to the other person and he cries out to be relieved.
7. Acknowledge the power of magic if you have employed it successfully to obtain your desires. If you deny the power of magic after having called upon it with success, you will lose all you have obtained.
8. Do not complain about anything to which you need not subject yourself.
9. Do not harm little children.
10. Do not kill non-human animals unless you are attacked or for your food.
11. When walking in open territory, bother no one. If someone bothers you, ask him to stop. If he does not stop, destroy him.
Amazing.
I love this.
I will look into Satanism more.
and the last 1/3 of #11.
I don't see what's "amazing" about these though?
I couldn't really tell you why I liked them so much? Just clicked in my head, wish everyone followed those rules.
I couldn't really tell you why I liked them so much? Just clicked in my head, wish everyone followed those rules.
If hell exists, it will be standing room only ! lol
Count, if you believed hell existed, what is your vision of what hell would be like?
A place for the truly vile souls to be condemned with each other.
Kind of like Escape from New York ! :)
What would make someone "truly vile?" Who would determine that?
Good movie (The first one anyway) :D
I dont know any xtians who embrace the scum of the earth, which is exactly what Jesus did. They look down upon prostitutes, porn stars, drug addicts etc. and bend over backwards trying to be a moral comapss, but none of them practice one of the most central tennants of xtianity, which is judge not.
Count, I just looked at the first page of your avatar website.
The picture shows some people dressed up in costumes. Do you ever do this and what is the purpose? Do the different animal heads have different meanings?
thanx for the info count. you made me see that satanism is much different than what i had previously thought. i still dont know enough to consider that its good or bad(in my view).............but youve made some points that i never would have thought were part of satanism.
It really IS the answer for alot of people blinky. Keep learning..
Most of the symbolism STella is meant to for lack of a better word 'upset' the christian community.
Here are the orginal 9 Satanic statements as given by Anton LaVey
4. Satan represents kindness to those who deserve it instead of love wasted on ingrates!
Honestly, did you even click past the homepage, read anything? If not, why not?
I'm betting the answer will be "I don't need to" ;)
Just discovered this thread, didn'y even realise there was a board for religious discussion!UK Gold, glad that you found the religion board lol! There are Political and Sports childboards also...just FYI.
1] The 'myth' of Anton Lavey has been disseminated many times. He was a liar, a wife beater, a fake and a money crazed scoundrel. This is according to his own family!
2] When the church of satan was originally formed they did believe in a literal satan - a big bad guy in the sky that could give them 'magical powers' ::) At some point in the mid seventies Lavey stopped believing and instead turned his church into a personal bank.
3] Most of the satanic bible is Rands work jazzed up with some metaphysical musings.
4] The only work of any importance Lavey ever wrote was the compleat witch. This is either the ravings of a misogyinist madman or a profound insight into the power of women and the pathetic nature of men.
5] Despite earlier indictaions that indicated otherwise, Lavey didn't like homosexuals and didn't want them in his church [unless they were rich and would give him money]. At heart he was a traditional fifties male.
5] The vast majority of people that call themselves 'satanists' are fat, ugly, single men that somehow believe they are part of 'the elite' ::)
6] The two biographies about lavey were ghostwritten by him! For a true look at the church of satan and lavey read the church of satan, by michael aquino. He left the church after lavey started selling titles to people, and then formed the even more deluded temple of set. Oh, he was also the centre of a huge paedophile scandal. Speaking of which, laveys grandson claims lavey let him be abused by an old man. Charming ::)
[Don't break the oath by Merycful Fate is one of the best albums ever recorded. KD and lavey did meet, and lavey gave him his pentagram!]
UK Gold, glad that you found the religion board lol! There are Political and Sports childboards also...just FYI.Yes!
UK, was the above written by you? What is your spiritual background (if you don't mind answering)?
I'm also interested in Count's response to your post.
How do you reconcile that with #4 of the Satanic statements?
Is it that Christians are not deemed worthy of kindness? If not, why?
Also, who decides who is worthy of kindness? Is that left as a personal decision of each individual or are there guidelines for determining "worthiness?"
I did click past the entry pic and began to read the text on the first page but it just didn't keep my interest. I will try to search the site more thoroughly when I have more time. I'm sure I'll have many more questions for you then!
I'm also interested in Count's response to your post.
count, is there a person who is head of the satanic church? kind of like the pope for catholics.
if so, who is it?
count do you worship at all or strictly anti-religion???
count do you worship at all or strictly anti-religion???
Anti-christianity / organized religion, with a focus on humanity, what makes us what we are, what drives us, enables us, satisfies us and embracing it.
It is good to start from the beginning with the basics of any religion. I guess I am under the assumption that most people on this thread have already done their research on satanism and most other religions, however having come across a great deal of christians who are hesitant to discuss satanism on any level, perhaps feeling it may infiltrate their pure thoughts.... at Stella's request, we'll see where this thread goes (to HELL perhaps).
I've never been taken up by any christian I've offered to read the satanic bible, they won't even touch it. They don't "need to" read it, they know all they need to know, or so they say. I can say I have read a good deal of the bible, both new and old testament. I have nothing to fear from it and it most certainly doesn't cause my own faith to waver.
Perhaps their are some other satanists lurking who would like to join in and offer their experiences or impart some knowledge and truths.
Here are the orginal 9 Satanic statements as given by Anton LaVey
1. Satan represents indulgence instead of abstinence!
2. Satan represents vital existence instead of spiritual pipe dreams!
3. Satan represents undefiled wisdom instead of hypocritical self-deceit!
4. Satan represents kindness to those who deserve it instead of love wasted on ingrates!
5. Satan represents vengeance instead of turning the other cheek!
6. Satan represents responsibility to the responsible instead of concern for psychic vampires!
7. Satan represents man as just another animal, sometimes better, more often worse than those that walk on all-fours, who, because of his “divine spiritual and intellectual development,” has become the most vicious animal of all!
8. Satan represents all of the so-called sins, as they all lead to physical, mental, or emotional gratification!
9. Satan has been the best friend the Church has ever had, as He has kept it in business all these years!
Ok, bible beaters, time to throw your worthless, manipulated 10 commandments into the fire !
Count, do you think of yourself as your own "god" who knows what's best for you? Or do you have a "take life as it comes" thought process or something different?
What are your thoughts on the following? Do you have a card that you paid for and carry it? If so, have you ever showed it to another in a neutral environment and found them to have the same?
Registered Membership
We don’t solicit memberships; however, if you wish to join us to show your support or appreciation you can become a Registered Member. For a one-time registration fee of two hundred dollars in United States currency, you will receive an embossed crimson card declaring you a member of the Church of Satan. This card is your means for identifying yourself as a genuine member of the Church of Satan to other members. If you expect to meet another member for the first time, be prepared to produce your card. Likewise, you may be expected to produce a scan of your card to certify your membership to other members online.
If you represent yourself as affiliated with the Church of Satan, you are legally required to register with us as a member. All applicants must submit the signed and dated Registration Statement via postal mail—electronic facsimiles are not acceptable.
Ok, this has to be my last post on anything other than the Alphabet boards,
ok :)
Feel free to pm, or chat with on the V! 8)