Tell that to the people in Colorado !!!!! The worst winter on record.
exactly, why is it that 80 percent of the time when you see a Record Temperature for this Day on the weather forecast on the news it's from the 1950's?
you DO know that global warming will make some places colder...like UK is on the same latitude as the artic..but remains MUCH warmer..
if the thermo hayline conveyor shuts down due to excessive fresh water being poured into the oceans at the poles..bye bye UK :)
I remember Purple rain....
I remember Purple rain....
you DO know that global warming will make some places colder...like UK is on the same latitude as the artic..but remains MUCH warmer..
if the thermo hayline conveyor shuts down due to excessive fresh water being poured into the oceans at the poles..bye bye UK :)
Tell that to the people in Colorado !!!!! The worst winter on record. Record Snowfall and livestock dying all over the place. There is no scientific evidence of Global warming. The earth simply goes through different warming and cooling periods. It is just a matter of where you live in the country. I'm glad it's 70 degrees in New York. But anyone who has lived there for years will tell you that, it can be 70 one day and 10 below 0 the next. The winter is not over yet my friend.
You are fucking retarded. I love how dumb people who know nothing about science say there is no scientific evidence.
Remember acid rain?
Yeah they said back in the 80 that in 2000 + there will be no more trees left coz of acid rain...
Lemme check.. <<looks out the window>> Nope... Trees are fine at least the view in ireland, the once the god damn brits did not harvest for their ships.
RJB : I am a scientist dip shit. There is no scientific proof of global warming ! get out of your moms basement and educate youreself in the real world. ( little kids on the computer should not play ) In ten years from now we will go through extreme cold periods like the warming you see today. " Idiot " It's just cyclical.
RJB : I am a scientist dip shit. There is no scientific proof of global warming !
i'm in maryland..70 degrees out in the middle of winter..
noo siuch thing as global warming..keep telling yourself that when we have record # of insects this summer (not as many eggs laid previous fall getting killed by the cold..there is no cold )..or record prices at the grocery stores.. :)
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2565436963450479963&q=al+gore+global+warming
When you mix economic/politics with science, both sides will always dispute the outcome.
bottom line:
If those lakes forming in Greenland and Antarctica continue to appear as they have been, large chunks of those lands will move into the sea, melt, and raise water levels to very catastrophic levels.
Both sides will always claim they were right all along, and blind supporters of those parties will support them no matter what.
The lakes are appearing, and the climate effects are beginning. That's just the appetizer. If those ice chunks drop into the sea, the main course comes in a 20 foot water surge worldwide. And the dems will always blame industry, and the repubs will always blame cycles.
people - stop using party politics and look at the effects of what will happen if these lakes keep forming...
O boy !!! Find a graph that suits your point. I could counterpoint those few graphs with dozens of my own. I also never said that there is no such thing as a ( warming trend ) That's my point. It's a trend ! We could go through several years of a cold trend. Which we have in the past.
Does anyone honestly care if over a period of the next few hundred years we experience a mild temperature increase?
Correct, there is no such thing as global warming as 95% of geologists will tell you this.
Makes sense that people who study this for a living may know a thing or two about it no?
Are the same scientists that are predicting global warming the one's that also predicted that 06 would be the worst hurricane season ever in the US.
Off topic, but out of curiosity, is every liberal and conservative in the USA basically the same?
I'm a conservative on most social issues
When you mix economic/politics with science, both sides will always dispute the outcome.
bottom line:
If those lakes forming in Greenland and Antarctica continue to appear as they have been, large chunks of those lands will move into the sea, melt, and raise water levels to very catastrophic levels.
Both sides will always claim they were right all along, and blind supporters of those parties will support them no matter what.
The lakes are appearing, and the climate effects are beginning. That's just the appetizer. If those ice chunks drop into the sea, the main course comes in a 20 foot water surge worldwide. And the dems will always blame industry, and the repubs will always blame cycles.
people - stop using party politics and look at the effects of what will happen if these lakes keep forming...
I'm a conservative on most social issues but definitely disagree with them on the wars of aggression. Many people are. The once-majority Republican party here in the US is currently split in half over this issue, which has predictably given the united Dems control of the Congress.
What I'm saying is it seems that there are few independents.
RJB : I am a scientist, dip shit.
I remember Purple rain....
There is no scientific evidence of Global warming.
Fossil fuels have warmed the lower layer of the atmosphere causing melting ice which reduces the albedo effect (the amount of light reflected back into space)
I remember Purple rain....
I've heard one scientist is proposing that we release sulfer into the atmosphere to increase the earth's albedo.
Sounds pretty wacky to me. The thing is..There is no doubt the earth has been subject to warming and cooling in the past. In fact, the earth has had several ice ages. However, scientists can tell exactly how much C02 was in the air at certain times in the past by studying ice cores. They drill down miles deep and examine these cores to determine this because ice, I guess,traps in the particles. It's kind of like examining tree rings but much better because you can go way back in time. The difference in gigatons between what's in the atmosphere now compared to what we had in the past is astounding. Certain parts of the earth only became habitable to humans about 12,000 years ago..Which is why for most of humanity's past humans were confined to really small areas in Africa. Gradually as sea levels dropped and certain areas warmed people were able to branch out to other areas.
I don't know if there's a human way to counteract what's been done..Part of the problem is it can take thousands of years for the upper warming layers of ocean to sink to their deepest depths. In fact, they say the ocean now is basically derived from the 1970s..So, in the future it's going to warm up quite a bit. The warming will cause water expansion raising sea levels. Melting glaciers will also raise these sea levels. So, I'd say a lot of coastal cities will have to be moved inward in the future at a major cost. It will be interesting for future peoples..that's for sure.
exactly, why is it that 80 percent of the time when you see a Record Temperature for this Day on the weather forecast on the news it's from the 1950's?
heres a great idea,, lets ban all cars and turn off all the factories,, lets not use electricity either. and lets sit around all day bitching about something we cannot do shit about
coldest winter on record where i am at in cali
Actually, you CAN do something about it.
If you believe man is affecting the environment, vote for a party which wants to limit pollution, require standards, and investigate it.
coldest winter on record where i am at in cali
ahh you fell for it,,, common man shouldnt global warming be added to your conspericy list?
For the life of me, I simply can't understand how the American people can vote to office a person who is so obviously unintelligent. -
I remember Purple rain....I remember that USA is fucking the environment and doing nothing about it "Chick"!
Tell that to the people in Colorado !!!!! The worst winter on record. Record Snowfall and livestock dying all over the place. There is no scientific evidence of Global warming. The earth simply goes through different warming and cooling periods. It is just a matter of where you live in the country. I'm glad it's 70 degrees in New York. But anyone who has lived there for years will tell you that, it can be 70 one day and 10 below 0 the next. The winter is not over yet my friend.
the 5 hottest yrs in HISTORY have been in the past 10 yrs..
i can say within the next 5 yrs..i'll be in a position to say 'i told u so'
And the 10 hottest years in history have been in the last 11 years.
All the previously predicted computer model simulations run in the 50s & 60s are proving correct.
Even if global warming were true, according to you, at this point what would we be able to do about it...absolutely nothing...so stop worrying...
I've heard one scientist is proposing that we release sulfer into the atmosphere to increase the earth's albedo.
we can stop buying SUVS and TRUCKS..
we can improve emission standards (one of the LOWEST on this planet)
Screw that, I'm trading in my Durango for an F-550!!
This is Necessary for everyday living.
This is Necessary for everyday living.
For the life of me, I simply can't understand how the American people can vote to office a person who is so obviously unintelligent. John Stewart had an episode where Bush was debating Bush - he would show Bush voice one opinion then in another clip, show Bush talking about the same topic and voice the polar opposite opinion. Like my opinions or hate them, my views are very well formed and I can explain to you my opinions in great detail. It seems like Bush doesn't even have a clue of what he is saying half the time and is nothing more than a front for others within his administration.
EXACTLY!!
Actually, you CAN do something about it.
If you believe man is affecting the environment, vote for a party which wants to limit pollution, require standards, and investigate it.
if you believe man has zero influence on it, vote for a party which doesn't want to do anything about these things.
It ain't rocket science. We may or may not be causing it. But there's no denying the waters are rising, the weather is changing, and that crazy shit people predicted a few years back is actually happening. :(
well when it gets hotter and hotter my brown desert bearing ass will be still ok...
you r the first one in trouble with rizing skin cancer rates whitey! ;D
it ain't my problem...I'll be dead!!
And the 10 hottest years in history have been in the last 11 years.
All the previously predicted computer model simulations run in the 50s & 60s are proving correct.
And the 10 hottest years in recorded history have been in the last 11 years.
All the previously predicted computer model simulations run in the 50s & 60s are proving correct.
This is Necessary for everyday living.
I agree. ;)
http://www.theweathernetwork.com/features/gardening/pages/CAON0688.htm
-38 Celsius!!! That's -36.4 F! Yesterday it went down to -43.6F!! Do you have any idea how cold that is? You can literally die if you walk outside in that weather and you aren't adequately dressed for it.
I'm Italian, I live at the beach and most of the time I'm in flip flops, board shorts and shirtless and get checked regularly....I'm good, and when the earth temp rises another one degree in the next hundred years....it ain't my problem...I'll be dead!!
it ain't my problem...I'll be dead!!
What kind of world do you want your kids and grandkids to live in?
What kind of world do you want your kids and grandkids to live in?
-Hedge
Some reasons why anthropogenic global warming is a poor theory:
1. The theories pinning the blame for warming on human activities are based upon computer models. As someone who has worked on computer models (for phenomena much simpler than the climate), I assure you that when it comes down to getting paid you'll find ways to make the model predict what you need it to. The climate is ridiculously complicated. All you have to do is tweak assumptions slightly and you can get dramatically different outcomes, and no one can say a priori if the assumptions are reasonable or not.
2. The earth has gone through numerous warming and cooling phases in the past, long before we were ever around. It's going to go through climate swings long after we're gone, too. Most people don't know that the average temperature in the Middle Ages was warmer than it is now. (I guess we can conclude that it was all of the feudal serfs' CO2 emissions that caused the warming?). Correlation does not imply causation; just because our industrial activity and "greenhouse gas" emissions are higher now does not imply that the earth is warming as an effect.
3. Anthropogenic global warming is not falsifiable, at least not within the span of several decades. When you point to evidence that some regions (Western USA) are having very cold winters you're told that it's due to global warming. Having a lot of hurricanes (in 2005) is alleged to be a sign of global warming, and not having hurricanes is also alleged to be a sign of global warming (in 2006). You can't have it both ways! In order for a theory to be taken seriously it needs to be able to make predictions that can be disproved. Global warming, conveniently enough, does not make predictions that can be tested out in any meaningful sense.
4. There are simpler, more direct mechanisms for describing the earth's warming or cooling (mainly solar activity). But these can't be blamed on human activity, and so they're of little interest to a media that is focused on scare tactics to get juicy stories.
what exactly do the scientists have to gain by faking global warming?
i know EXACTLY what the oil companies have to gain by denying it..
what exactly do the scientists have to gain by faking global warming?
i knew EXACTLY what the oil companies have to gain by denying it..
Scientists have a lot to gain by going along with the orthodox position on global warming (not necessarily "faking" it). It's a lot easier to get research money by swimming with the intellectual current and doing work that is trendy. A number of scientists have gained tenure and written popular books based on the anthropogenic global warming theory. So their reputations and incomes are directly tied to the manmade global warming hypothesis.
The same thing happens in other branches of science. Look at theoretical physics... most physicists are (privately) very skeptical of string theory. Yet many people work with it because that's where the money and opportunities for advancement are. [This is also why many scientific revolutions have come from outsiders]. Scientists have the same motivations, dilemmas, and conflicts of interest as the rest of us.
Are you saying that string theory is just a "popular thing"? Edwart Witten is one clever sob, and so are many other string theorists. In the next few years, the new accelerators might help giving some substance to string theory. Of course many people in physics are sceptical to string theory, it is very hard to prove... yet....
I'm pretty skeptical of string theory... I don't like it because it has so much hype but has has shown very little in the way of concrete results. I was once a research engineer for a physics lab and all the professors used to laugh and joke about string theory; they really thought it was crap. Yet at the same time they were jealous because the string theorists had lots of research money, had to teach very few classes, went to lots of conferences, and all that good stuff.
Scientists have a lot to gain by going along with the orthodox position on global warming (not necessarily "faking" it). It's a lot easier to get research money by swimming with the intellectual current and doing work that is trendy. A number of scientists have gained tenure and written popular books based on the anthropogenic global warming theory. So their reputations and incomes are directly tied to the manmade global warming hypothesis.
The same thing happens in other branches of science. Look at theoretical physics... most physicists are (privately) very skeptical of string theory. Yet many people work with it because that's where the money and opportunities for advancement are. [This is also why many scientific revolutions have come from outsiders]. Scientists have the same motivations, dilemmas, and conflicts of interest as the rest of us.
Hopefully, the next ten years will put more substance into string theory. Everybody will be sceptical of anything breaking the norm, yet, even though it is highly theoretical, more funds means that the theory can be explored further. It might not yield any results at all, yet it might be a stepping stone into a new era.
Science will never progress forward in a rapid rate unless there are someone breaking the norm.
You feel republicans are "handicapped?" In what way? ;D
we make concessions for the handicapped...
its ok..you r a republican! ;D
You feel republicans are "handicapped?" In what way? ;D
yes...under bush they were handicapped...war and fiscal conservative dont go hand in handso it was ok for you to wish our troops get killed too because it was under Bush? ::)
i wont bother re reading a thread from months or yrs ago....
PS...when u throw a bitch fit....you really commit to it dontcha?
so it was ok for you to wish our troops get killed too because it was under Bush? ::)
I don't give a shit what the reason was stinky, It was only 3 years ago you were talking about lighting a bomb and hoping our troops die in the same post. getting drunk doesn't make you say shit like that ::) You got bigger issues obviously...
no it wasn't....it wasn't ok to be drinking a couple of fifths of alkie daily either....
and you know this very well....yet you conveniently forget...
shouldn't you be out saving a mexican someplace?
I don't give a shit what the reason was stinky, It was only 3 years ago you were talking about lighting a bomb and hoping our troops die in the same post. getting drunk doesn't make you say shit like that ::) You got bigger issues obviously...
i just love how much under your skin i am tacobell! ;Dyes, your crazy BS is quite annoying, I do admit...
yes, your crazy BS is quite annoying, I do admit...
think it goes beyond annoying for you tacobell... :-*no, just annoying. if you want proof of that, read my meltdown posts... this isn't shit lol... You should remember some of those posts... by the way, FYI, calling me tacobell makes you look like the idiot... WTF? lol...
no, just annoying. if you want proof of that, read my meltdown posts... this isn't shit lol... You should remember some of those posts... by the way, FYI, calling me tacobell makes you look like the idiot... WTF? lol...
I know you're not from here so I'll help you out. insulting someone by calling them after a franchise will just make an American wonder what the fuck is wrong with you. Stick to the traditional insults, let me know if you need help. you just look sillystupid calling someone Burger King or whatever ::)
Got it Carl's Junior? :D
aren't you being detained yet for being a paki talking about lighting bombs on message boards...
i'll did not read this post...2 long...let it go k
what exactly do the scientists have to gain by faking global warming?That would be the funding from government and other anti carbon based fueled groups. Without the funding the scientist's have nothing to study. The longer they get to study, the longer they have a job.
aren't you being detained yet for being a paki talking about lighting bombs on message boards...
u need new material :(Got Gitmo? :D
i'm in maryland..70 degrees out in the middle of winter..
noo siuch thing as global warming..keep telling yourself that when we have record # of insects this summer (not as many eggs laid previous fall getting killed by the cold..there is no cold )..or record prices at the grocery stores.. :)
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2565436963450479963&q=al+gore+global+warming