There is NO such thing as global warming......

[dorkeroo]

RJB : I am a scientist dip shit. There is no scientific proof of global warming ! get out of your moms basement and educate youreself in the real world. ( little kids on the computer should not play ) In ten years from now we will go through extreme cold periods like the warming you see today. " Idiot " It's just cyclical.

You have elevated yourself far beyond what most of us "scientists" can hope to achieve with both your diction and ideas. Thank goodness we have "scientists" like you with such class and tact. I and others like myself with a grounding in science are humbled, thank you sir 

[timfogarty]

RJB : I am a scientist dip shit. There is no scientific proof of global warming !

[bailey]

O boy !!! Find a graph that suits your point. I could counterpoint those few graphs with dozens of my own. I also never said that there is no such thing as a  ( warming trend ) That's my point. It's a trend ! We could go through several years of a cold trend. Which we have in the past.

[corinth]

Are the same scientists that are predicting global warming the one's that also predicted that 06 would be the worst hurricane season ever in the US.

How many hurricanes did we have?  A big fat zero.

[Karl Kox]

i'm in maryland..70 degrees out in the middle of winter..



noo siuch thing as global warming..keep telling yourself that when we have record # of insects this summer (not as many eggs laid previous fall getting killed by the cold..there is no cold )..or record prices at the grocery stores..

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2565436963450479963&q=al+gore+global+warming

I agree.  All the Ice is melting in the north poles, and Alaska. We have had two of the warmest Winters ever here in Dallas over the past two years.  I should not have been wearing shorts around X-mas.  By the way my dad is from Maryland.

[240 is Back]

When you mix economic/politics with science, both sides will always dispute the outcome.

bottom line:

If those lakes forming in Greenland and Antarctica continue to appear as they have been, large chunks of those lands will move into the sea, melt, and raise water levels to very catastrophic levels.

Both sides will always claim they were right all along, and blind supporters of those parties will support them no matter what.

The lakes are appearing, and the climate effects are beginning.  That's just the appetizer.  If those ice chunks drop into the sea, the main course comes in a 20 foot water surge worldwide.  And the dems will always blame industry, and the repubs will always blame cycles.

people - stop using party politics and look at the effects of what will happen if these lakes keep forming...

[chris_mason]

Global warming has occurred in recent years.  There is no argument there.  What there is argument about is what has caused it.

Long before man was ever in the picture the world experienced climate change.

I believe what we are currently experiencing globally has little to do with mankind and greenhouse emissions.

Chris

[chris_mason]

When you mix economic/politics with science, both sides will always dispute the outcome.

bottom line:

If those lakes forming in Greenland and Antarctica continue to appear as they have been, large chunks of those lands will move into the sea, melt, and raise water levels to very catastrophic levels.

Both sides will always claim they were right all along, and blind supporters of those parties will support them no matter what.

The lakes are appearing, and the climate effects are beginning.  That's just the appetizer.  If those ice chunks drop into the sea, the main course comes in a 20 foot water surge worldwide.  And the dems will always blame industry, and the repubs will always blame cycles.

people - stop using party politics and look at the effects of what will happen if these lakes keep forming...

If it happens it will occur over time and people and cities will be moved and that will be that. 

We won't see it in our lifetime if I were betting.

Chris

[240 is Back]

mason, wise words.

I am not sure about the timeline - it HAS started.  It's just a matter of the rate at which it will proceed, now.  Moving cities is easier said than done.  Huge hits on economy once every person in Florida knows their land will be gone in 20 years.  Land value dropping, any and all longterm economic industry bailing out, and the impending sense of everything there being temporary. 

Interesting was Bush's recent quiet move in the dead Christmas media cycle to announce Polar bears were now endangered and global warming is real.  This would benefit them of course, to go on record that "we agreed it was a problem back in 2006!" albeit in the most quiet way possible.  Also, common sense says if public perception is that big biz = greenhouse effect, and Bush admin is taking that position, they might know something we don't know about the big things that are about to happen.  They're pretty good at getting positions quietly on the record right before they need it.  So if something major happens - a large chunk falls into the sea next month, don't be surprised--- cause they're not

[ToxicAvenger]

http://video.google.com/videosearch?q=global+dimming


i'll post more on the thermo hayline current shutdown later...

watch one of the vids on global dimming..something most folks dont know about...

at least the smart ones in this thread will..chic..stark..240

at the moment..i'm at a female friends house ..she is sick and she is FUCKING DRIVING me crazy...plus the fucking dog just shit in the house and guess who gets to clean that up...f**k..

[ToxicAvenger]

http://www.physorg.com/news2353.html

real quick...

[cheeksmaliod]

wen you live in dallas its easy to say global warming doesn't exist.  I'm from northern Canada and trust me i've never been outside in January in a sweatshirt before ever.  Rain is for the srpring not for the winter.  In fact i was watching today and they said on the MNR webste that bearsa actually have come out of hibernation.  The thing is is that yes the earth does warm up and cool down and thats natural.  But everything the earth does takes tens of thousands of years not 500 years.  excluding certain underground occurences like volcanes and earthquakes which take again thousands of years to form the earth will always allow for the animals and plants to adapt to whatever changes occur.  When my plants are budding in late november and bears are out of hibernation in January, its rather difficult to say that this is a natural thing.

[grab an umbrella]

Does anyone honestly care if over a period of the next few hundred years we experience a mild temperature increase?

[ToxicAvenger]

O boy !!! Find a graph that suits your point. I could counterpoint those few graphs with dozens of my own. I also never said that there is no such thing as a  ( warming trend ) That's my point. It's a trend ! We could go through several years of a cold trend. Which we have in the past.

watch the vid of just google images glacial melting

[240 is Back]

Does anyone honestly care if over a period of the next few hundred years we experience a mild temperature increase?

Grabbers,

The problem is that this mild temperature increase has a huge effect on crops, the food cycle, hibernations, weather, water, etc.  Some species will die, others will overpopulate.  Grocery store and produce racks are going to change. Migratory people are going to change schedules.  Above all, that ice in greenland and Antarctica, sitting on a small shelf of land and reaching hundreds of feet into the air, is a ticking time bomb.  If it slips into the sea, it will melt and raise water levels.  No turning that around.

And today it's a mild increase.  In ten years, if this trend continues, it'll be a monster increase.

[timfogarty]

Correct, there is no such thing as global warming as 95% of geologists will tell you this.
Makes sense that people who study this for a living may know a thing or two about it no?

your second sentence is correct, and there is no longer any real debate going on in the scientific community:    global warming is real.

http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/full/306/5702/1686

[timfogarty]

Are the same scientists that are predicting global warming the one's that also predicted that 06 would be the worst hurricane season ever in the US.

find a quote.   the official predition from NOAA was that 06 would be a mild year.  they also correctly predicted that 05 would be a bad year.  we are getting good at short term preditions.

[240 is Back]

Off topic, but out of curiosity, is every liberal and conservative in the USA basically the same?

People tend to attach themselves to the party they associate MOST with, and just kinda ignore those stances by the party they disagree with.  In the US, we have been conditioned to bitterly hate the opposite party, which makes the populace more likely to criticize "those damn liberals" or "crazy neocons" than ever even look at policy of our own party.

I'm a conservative on most social issues but definitely disagree with them on the wars of aggression.  Many people are.  The once-majority Republican party here in the US is currently split in half over this issue, which has predictably given the united Dems control of the Congress.

[onlyme]

No global warming here.  It is 80 almost everyday.

[timfogarty]

I'm a conservative on most social issues

I really doubt you are a conservative on most social issuses.  Today that means using the power of the government to regulate morality.

[ether]

When you mix economic/politics with science, both sides will always dispute the outcome.

bottom line:

If those lakes forming in Greenland and Antarctica continue to appear as they have been, large chunks of those lands will move into the sea, melt, and raise water levels to very catastrophic levels.

Both sides will always claim they were right all along, and blind supporters of those parties will support them no matter what.

The lakes are appearing, and the climate effects are beginning.  That's just the appetizer.  If those ice chunks drop into the sea, the main course comes in a 20 foot water surge worldwide.  And the dems will always blame industry, and the repubs will always blame cycles.

people - stop using party politics and look at the effects of what will happen if these lakes keep forming...

Ever heard of the archimedes principle. Look into it.

[Camel Jockey]

I'm a conservative on most social issues but definitely disagree with them on the wars of aggression.  Many people are.  The once-majority Republican party here in the US is currently split in half over this issue, which has predictably given the united Dems control of the Congress.

You are a classical liberal, maybe a libertarian.


Global warming is very real. If it weren't, then why are ice sheets in Antartica and Greenland melting? Now some assholes will post saying there's no evidence that human beings are causing it, but that's besides the point. The point is that global warming is very real regardless of whether we're responsible or not.

What I'm saying is it seems that there are few independents.

So true. Most Americans can't think for themselves. The worst is that there't aren't many classical liberals like you and I, guess we're refered to as conservatives now. Seems like even the definition of conservative now has changed, thanks to Bush. Shame we can't have people who believe in the free market, seperation of church and state, legalized drugs and limited role of government. Way the US is headed, we might become a fucking police state in 20 years.

[torquemada]

RJB : I am a scientist, dip shit.

That right there may be one of the funniest things I've read in a while...

[Matt C]

[Mr. Intenseone]

AlGore says we have just 10 years left before we all FRY.....AAAaaahhhhhhhhh, damn, I guess that means my air conditioning bill will go up again !!