Getbig.com: American Bodybuilding, Fitness and Figure
Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: SuperStu on January 10, 2007, 11:18:41 AM
-
PDI is coming out and getting better, a few names already and more to come. There is obviously room for two organizations but what if PDI cleans out the IFBB. Employees or Competitors will go to where they are treated right, payed well and get a chance to excel they are just scared to take the big step right off the bat. Give it half to maybe 1 more year people.
-
im not saying it can't happen becuase anything is possible but it would take alot of the top guys to leave AND a big one is that the Mr.O is currently the biggest title you can hold and as of right now that show is an IFBB show.
-
PDI is coming out and getting better, a few names already and more to come. There is obviously room for two organizations but what if PDI cleans out the IFBB. Employees or Competitors will go to where they are treated right, payed well and get a chance to excel they are just scared to take the big step right off the bat. Give it half to maybe 1 more year people.
Maybe, if people concentrated on just making PDI a good organization in its own right, instead of obsessing with it destroying the IFBB, business will pick up.
The World Bodybuilding Federation had 13 guys, many of whom were among the IFBB's best (Strydom, Christian, M.Quinn, DeMey, Pearson, Robinson, etc). PDI is attempting to build from the ground up with guys from other organizations, NPC bridesmaids, and IFBB also-rans (excluding Priest and supposedly Dillet).
A number of the top pros are being "treated right" and "payed well" by the IFBB. So, contrary to what some folks here have prophecied, I don't see any mass exodus of bodybuilers from the IFBB to PDI.
Remember guys, like the late Ed Kawak and John Terilli bounced from the IFBB to NABBA/WABBA and back.
-
IFBB has the same guys winning over and over with the same top 5 for years on end with the same shows, ran the same way. :-\
-
IFBB has the same guys winning over and over with the same top 5 for years on end with the same shows, ran the same way. :-\
Perhaps, that's because those guys are the BEST IN THE WORLD!!!
What do you want, Ken Jones to be Mr. Olympia?
-
im not saying it can't happen becuase anything is possible but it would take alot of the top guys to leave AND a big one is that the Mr.O is currently the biggest title you can hold and as of right now that show is an IFBB show.
increase the prize $ to 500,000 for winning...
watch 90% of em jump ship...
-
Maybe, if people concentrated on just making PDI a good organization in its own right, instead of obsessing with it destroying the IFBB, business will pick up.
The World Bodybuilding Federation had 13 guys, many of whom were among the IFBB's best (Strydom, Christian, M.Quinn, DeMey, Pearson, Robinson, etc). PDI is attempting to build from the ground up with guys from other organizations, NPC bridesmaids, and IFBB also-rans (excluding Priest and supposedly Dillet).
A number of the top pros are being "treated right" and "payed well" by the IFBB. So, contrary to what some folks here have prophecied, I don't see any mass exodus of bodybuilers from the IFBB to PDI.
Remember guys, like the late Ed Kawak and John Terilli bounced from the IFBB to NABBA/WABBA and back.
Just to get things straight the IFBB pays NO ONE.
-
Perhaps, that's because those guys are the BEST IN THE WORLD!!!
What do you want, Ken Jones to be Mr. Olympia?
that would be shocker wouldn't it? THAT would make people talk!! :D now obviously thats a dramitic jump and you couldn't do that but having Dex win would have been good, debatable and you could get away with it. If they judged they way they were supposed to, he would have won anyway or Vic. Im not saying i want anything because you can't compare this to hockey or football, But the 2 NOCs were done awesome! the routines were great, new and fresh everyone had a blast and it wasn't bad at all for a new organizations 1st few shows.
-
the IFBB shows are a joke! remember in 2005 at the challenge round when Triple H had to let Victor know that the point for side tricep wasn't after all his and should have gone to gunter!! and 10 minutes had already gone by!! the mics were shit, the announcer couldn't read! oh the list goes on.
-
the IFBB shows are a joke! remember in 2005 at the challenge round when Triple H had to let Victor know that the point for side tricep wasn't after all his and should have gone to gunter!! and 10 minutes had already gone by!! the mics were shit, the announcer couldn't read! oh the list goes on.
;D
-
that would be shocker wouldn't it? THAT would make people talk!! :D now obviously thats a dramitic jump and you couldn't do that but having Dex win would have been good, debatable and you could get away with it. If they judged they way they were supposed to, he would have won anyway or Vic. Im not saying i want anything because you can't compare this to hockey or football, But the 2 NOCs were done awesome! the routines were great, new and fresh everyone had a blast and it wasn't bad at all for a new organizations 1st few shows.
And just how are they supposed to judge the show? When Ronnie Coleman was winning left and right, people were complaining about how dull and predictable bodybuilding is. Now, some of these same folks FINALLY got to see what they wanted (i.e. another bodybuilder taking the Mr. Olympia title from Coleman), yet we still have folks who aren't satisfied.
I think Melvin Anthony would be a better pick than Dexter Jackson. He's bigger and has just as good (if not better) shape and proportion.
-
And just how are they supposed to judge the show? When Ronnie Coleman was winning left and right, people were complaining about how dull and predictable bodybuilding is. Now, some of these same folks FINALLY got to see what they wanted (i.e. another bodybuilder taking the Mr. Olympia title from Coleman), yet we still have folks who aren't satisfied.
I think Melvin Anthony would be a better pick than Dexter Jackson. He's bigger and has just as good (if not better) shape and proportion.
yes Melvin too, top 3 Imo should have been Vic,Dex, and Melvin, doesn't have to be that order. and your right i agree there will always be unsatisfied people, what i was saying is they IF they followed their judging critera (symmetry, etc basically the guys without the guts) The top 3 should have been the 3 names i mentioned. Heres something interesting, do you think Ronnie or Markus would place high with the PDI?? depending on who else is in it, i don' t think they would.
-
yes Melvin too, top 3 Imo should have been Vic,Dex, and Melvin, doesn't have to be that order. and your right i agree there will always be unsatisfied people, what i was saying is they IF they followed their judging critera (symmetry, etc basically the guys without the guts) The top 3 should have been the 3 names i mentioned. Heres something interesting, do you think Ronnie or Markus would place high with the PDI?? depending on who else is in it, i don' t think they would.
I agree!! then guys like Chick and Shawn come along and say Lee and PDI sucks!! jelous pricks! They know if IFBB goes down they have no jobs! They kiss so much ass i bet they are in Joe's Will!
-
Just to get things straight the IFBB pays NO ONE.
As opposed to what other federation?
-
its amazing how chick will always stick up for the ifbb. whats wrong with pdi or several others for that matter get into the sport. it will provide some competition..who knows maybe then competitors might actually make some money. i hope the ifbb stays but i also hope others will succeed
-
its amazing how chick will always stick up for the ifbb. whats wrong with pdi or several others for that matter get into the sport. it will provide some competition..who knows maybe then competitors might actually make some money. i hope the ifbb stays but i also hope others will succeed
I don't wish their demise...just the opposite. All the power to them. My sticking up for MY federation has nothing to do with the PDI...but Keith likes to point out that the IFBB doesn't pay anyone a salary, as if the PDI does...
As far as I know NO BB federation pays their athletes...
-
its amazing how chick will always stick up for the ifbb. whats wrong with pdi or several others for that matter get into the sport. it will provide some competition..who knows maybe then competitors might actually make some money. i hope the ifbb stays but i also hope others will succeed
Chick's doing his job and looking out for the majority of the pro's best interests, it's his opinion that the PDI won't improve the average standard of remuneration for the competitors, even if Priest might be able to make a good living by dominiating over there.
-
Chick's doing his job and looking out for the majority of the pro's best interests, it's his opinion that the PDI won't improve the average standard of remuneration for the competitors, even if Priest might be able to make a good living by dominiating over there.
Well stated...
As I've said many times now...the PDI wont make the IFBB do anything, as they have yet to pull any "first tier" BBers away...and won't. They (PDI) aren't offering anything more than the IFBB is.
The WBF and McMahon managed to get some top BBers to switch because he offered guarunteed contracts and bigtime money to the athletes...the PDI offers those who cant make any money in the IFBB a chance to possibly make money in their organization, because the talent pool isn't as deep.
this is fine for those interested, but won't change the make-up of the IFBB athletes, as those not making money should consider going anyways...those making money wouldn't consider it for obvious reasons...
It would be a different story if Wayne was offering big money to the top dogs...but he's not and he cant.
All the rest is bullshit.
-
its amazing how chick will always stick up for the ifbb. whats wrong with pdi or several others for that matter get into the sport. it will provide some competition..who knows maybe then competitors might actually make some money. i hope the ifbb stays but i also hope others will succeed
exactly, there should be room for 2 organizations. If there is 2, more will go to PDI.
-
Well stated...
As I've said many times now...the PDI wont make the IFBB do anything, as they have yet to pull any "first tier" BBers away...and won't. They (PDI) aren't offering anything more than the IFBB is.
The WBF and McMahon managed to get some top BBers to switch because he offered guarunteed contracts and bigtime money to the athletes...the PDI offers those who cant make any money in the IFBB a chance to possibly make money in their organization, because the talent pool isn't as deep.
this is fine for those interested, but won't change the make-up of the IFBB athletes, as those not making money should consider going anyways...those making money wouldn't consider it for obvious reasons...
It would be a different story if Wayne was offering big money to the top dogs...but he's not and he cant.
All the rest is bullshit.
And yet Lee's reason for crossing over wasn't really his own pay cheque, it was his placings, disputes over contracts, etc. ect. etc........ I wonder how long he can keep the harmony at the PDI for.
-
Lee's reasons are his own...
-
Well stated...
As I've said many times now...the PDI wont make the IFBB do anything, as they have yet to pull any "first tier" BBers away...and won't. They (PDI) aren't offering anything more than the IFBB is.
The WBF and McMahon managed to get some top BBers to switch because he offered guarunteed contracts and bigtime money to the athletes...the PDI offers those who cant make any money in the IFBB a chance to possibly make money in their organization, because the talent pool isn't as deep.
this is fine for those interested, but won't change the make-up of the IFBB athletes, as those not making money should consider going anyways...those making money wouldn't consider it for obvious reasons...
It would be a different story if Wayne was offering big money to the top dogs...but he's not and he cant.
All the rest is bullshit.
Oh someone be sure to copy this post. First off most would consider Lee a first tier competitior. Deifitely one of the most popular in the world. Second, you have NO idea who is coming over. Not even close. So don't embarrass yourself by keep saying no 1st tier guys would leave. Cause you WILL be eating your words. Thats a fact. Right now people are making money in the PDI. IN fact more people are making money from the PDI statistically than in the IFBB. Less then 15% at the most make anything from competing in the IFBB. And the PDI is just a year old and already they are paying out more than every IFBB show except for 2 or 3. What does that have to say about the IFBB. Next year their will be more PDI shows than IFBB shows which in turn allows the competitors to make more money. Like you say to me, don't talk about stuff you have no idea about. SO far you are batting a big fat 0% with you predictions about the PDI. Stop while you still have some dignity.
-
Oh someone be sure to copy this post. First off most would consider Lee a first tier competitior. Deifitely one of the most popular in the world. Second, you have NO idea who is coming over. Not even close. So don't embarrass yourself by keep saying no 1st tier guys would leave. Cause you WILL be eating your words. Thats a fact. Right now people are making money in the PDI. IN fact more people are making money from the PDI statistically than in the IFBB. Less then 15% at the most make anything from competing in the IFBB. And the PDI is just a year old and already they are paying out more than every IFBB show except for 2 or 3. What does that have to say about the IFBB. Next year their will be more PDI shows than IFBB shows which in turn allows the competitors to make more money. Like you say to me, don't talk about stuff you have no idea about. SO far you are batting a big fat 0% with you predictions about the PDI. Stop while you still have some dignity.
Is this something you know, or just something you're hoping you know?
-
Oh someone be sure to copy this post. First off most would consider Lee a first tier competitior. Deifitely one of the most popular in the world. Second, you have NO idea who is coming over. Not even close. So don't embarrass yourself by keep saying no 1st tier guys would leave. Cause you WILL be eating your words. Thats a fact. Right now people are making money in the PDI. IN fact more people are making money from the PDI statistically than in the IFBB. Less then 15% at the most make anything from competing in the IFBB. And the PDI is just a year old and already they are paying out more than every IFBB show except for 2 or 3. What does that have to say about the IFBB. Next year their will be more PDI shows than IFBB shows which in turn allows the competitors to make more money. Like you say to me, don't talk about stuff you have no idea about. SO far you are batting a big fat 0% with you predictions about the PDI. Stop while you still have some dignity.
Lee is a first tier competitor...never said he wasn't. I was referring to any OTHER pro's following in his footsteps.
"statistically"? You cant compare over 200 athletes in the IFBB to 20 in the PDI. Your also not factoring in the supplement contracts and other monies the athletes from the IFBB bring in as a direct result of being in the IFBB and what comes with it.
Example: Lee was making twice as much with Twinlab and his assoc. with the IFBB, than he is now with the new company and the PDI. Lee also would have made more in the Olympia than he did winning BOTH PDI shows...
I'll take a "wait and see" approach to whose (alledgedly) going to join and what shows will actually come to fruition...
Lets not forget my friend...there have been many plans and promises that havent come through for the PDI.
-
Lee is a first tier competitor...never said he wasn't. I was referring to any OTHER pro's following in his footsteps.
"statistically"? You cant compare over 200 athletes in the IFBB to 20 in the PDI. Your also not factoring in the supplement contracts and other monies the athletes from the IFBB bring in as a direct result of being in the IFBB and what comes with it.
Example: Lee was making twice as much with Twinlab and his assoc. with the IFBB, than he is now with the new company and the PDI. Lee also would have made more in the Olympia than he did winning BOTH PDI shows...
I'll take a "wait and see" approach to whose (alledgedly) going to join and what shows will actually come to fruition...
Lets not forget my friend...there have been many plans and promises that havent come through for the PDI.
But Rhino's a millionaire!!!!!! ::)
-
Is this something you know, or just something you're hoping you know?
I talked to Wayne day before yesterday for about 30 minutes. The website is almost done. It should be up this month. He told me who has been in contact with him and who has committed. And EVERYONE will be surprised I promise 100%. He is has a show secured in the Caribean in either Trinidad or one otherplace I can't remember. He is also working on one other show in Europe. He has a few people wanting to do shows in the US but nothing definite. He has he game plan and so far everything is going perfectly. He is NOT trying to compete with the IFBB. He could care less. The proof of that is the fact he is not working on the US as much right now. The PDI is truly going to be global. In addition, allot of the competitors trips are paid for along with hotel. Some major sponsors are talking.
-
Sounds good...but it all comes down to sponsors and Butts in the seats (paying ones)...without those two factors, it's dead in the water.
-
Sounds good...but it all comes down to sponsors and Butts in the seats (paying ones)...without those two factors, it's dead in the water.
Well I agree with you on this.
-
I talked to Wayne day before yesterday for about 30 minutes. The website is almost done. It should be up this month. He told me who has been in contact with him and who has committed. And EVERYONE will be surprised I promise 100%. He is has a show secured in the Caribean in either Trinidad or one otherplace I can't remember. He is also working on one other show in Europe. He has a few people wanting to do shows in the US but nothing definite. He has he game plan and so far everything is going perfectly. He is NOT trying to compete with the IFBB. He could care less. The proof of that is the fact he is not working on the US as much right now. The PDI is truly going to be global. In addition, allot of the competitors trips are paid for along with hotel. Some major sponsors are talking.
But how can there be certainty in what you're saying? I'm not doubting its possibility, but like any business venture it takes on risk. To say he's not trying to compete with the IFBB is garbage, the commodity here is competitors, and the PDI is trying to take the IFBB's commodities.
-
And yet Lee's reason for crossing over wasn't really his own pay cheque, it was his placings, disputes over contracts, etc. ect. etc........ I wonder how long he can keep the harmony at the PDI for.
I NEVER HAD A PROBLEM WITH MY PLACINGS...I HAD PROBLEM WITH THE JOKE BOOK...I MEAN RULE BOOK....
-
I NEVER HAD A PROBLEM WITH MY PLACINGS...I HAD PROBLEM WITH THE JOKE BOOK...I MEAN RULE BOOK....
You complained more than once publicly about your placings Lee, justified or otherwise.
-
You complained more than once publicly about your placings Lee, justified or otherwise.
he didn't complain, he stated the truth, just like always. along with everything else.
-
he didn't complain, he stated the truth, just like always. along with everything else.
Being that it's a subjectively judged sport...it can only be HIS truth. Complaining is just that...
Bottom line is...why complain??
-
he didn't complain, he stated the truth, just like always. along with everything else.
I'm sorry, but a Bodybuilding contest is subjective and the placings are the combined opinions of the judges. Therefore, to argue something subjective AND something that you cannot change is incorrect is nothing more than complaining. Truth cannot be involved when you opine that you should have placed higher, as there mere premise of someones opinion being true or false is invalid.
-
Being that it's a subjectively judged sport...it can only be HIS truth. Complaining is just that...
Bottom line is...why complain??
Beat me to it, Bob.
-
IFBB could go down??
Lord willing, It will.
www.musclemissions.org/public/151.cfm
-
Wayne has been smart, because he found out that the world is bigger than the US.
There are some amazing athletes competing in other federations or independent organizations. Wayne did not only get athletes from the IFBB, but also from the Musclemania, the big NABBA, the small NABBA (NAC), the WABBA, the WFF and some smaller ones. I know that Lee Priest and Rodney St. Cloud got plenty of guest posings overseas after they signed with the PDI.
The IFBB will still remain the largest federation in the US, but a little bit of variety should benefit the bodybuilding world.
-
Wayne has been smart, because he found out that the world is bigger than the US.
There are some amazing athletes competing in other federations or independent organizations. Wayne did not only get athletes from the IFBB, but also from the Musclemania, the big NABBA, the small NABBA (NAC), the WABBA, the WFF and some smaller ones. I know that Lee Priest and Rodney St. Cloud got plenty of guest posings overseas after they signed with the PDI.
The IFBB will still remain the largest federation in the US, but a little bit of variety should benefit the bodybuilding world.
Good post, there's a lot of BB's out there that probably feel they wouldn't get a shot in with the judges at the IFBB simply because of their nationality. But the IFBB's had a long time in this industry to search out where the best business is, so it'll be interesting to see what the PDI makes of this 'opportunity'.
-
I'm sorry, but a Bodybuilding contest is subjective and the placings are the combined opinions of the judges. Therefore, to argue something subjective AND something that you cannot change is incorrect is nothing more than complaining. Truth cannot be involved when you opine that you should have placed higher, as there mere premise of someones opinion being true or false is invalid.
ok so what about this, Im judging diving. My best friend is in it and my worst enemy as well. My rool book says i have to award the best diver 1st place. My enemy dives and its perfect, my friend dives and its off, but i give it to my friend because i like him better. now im not sticking to my rules, im just being subjective. Im not saying Lee is an enemy to IFBB but it isn't the 1st time hes stirred up "trouble" or been suspended....perhaps the IFBB holds a bad opinion of him and therefore places him where ever? I bet if IFBB judges judged the NOC, Lee would have come 2nd or lower.
-
ok so what about this, Im judging diving. My best friend is in it and my worst enemy as well. My rool book says i have to award the best diver 1st place. My enemy dives and its perfect, my friend dives and its off, but i give it to my friend because i like him better. now im not sticking to my rules, im just being subjective. Im not saying Lee is an enemy to IFBB but it isn't the 1st time hes stirred up "trouble" or been suspended....perhaps the IFBB holds a bad opinion of him and therefore places him where ever? I bet if IFBB judges judged the NOC, Lee would have come 2nd or lower.
You're relying on an assumption that we cannot presume to know in this instance. How can you say any one judge deliberately placed Lee lower than he 'deserved' due to bias? Was his bias towards Lee fair withing the constraints of a bodybuilding contest? Can anyones opinion of another be false? In the example you give, we can say that the contest may as well not have happened, as you have already decided the superior diver - whilst I agree that is a possibility here (however remote that may be), there can be no proof, and your argument that he is not complaining falls flat.
-
i start thinking that the people on this board are realy out of it,,lee priest is not "first tier"??
lee priest IS THE "first tier",,VERY VERY VERY FEW BODYBUILDERS,, YOU CAN COUNT THEM ON YOUR FINGERS AND TOES,,,ARE BETTER THAN LEE PRIEST AT HIS BEST,, he BELONGS IN THE TOP OF THE TOP and if he is not a first tier,,then kevin isnt and vic isnt and dex isnt and no one is but you bobbie
-
You're relying on an assumption that we cannot presume to know in this instance. How can you say any one judge deliberately placed Lee lower than he 'deserved' due to bias? Was his bias towards Lee fair withing the constraints of a bodybuilding contest? Can anyones opinion of another be false? In the example you give, we can say that the contest may as well not have happened, as you have already decided the superior diver - whilst I agree that is a possibility here (however remote that may be), there can be no proof, and your argument that he is not complaining falls flat.
yes your right, i agree....im not trying to choke you up. haha. I was just saying that having in opinion on someone could change the way one would judge someone. You hear stories of some competitors taking judges out for dinner the night before etc. There have already been so many controversial things in bbing take Franco or Arnold winning their last Mr. O titles or Dorian winning his last title or shows with different judges placing the competitors totally different than the Mr. olympia which was just a few days prior.
I don't know everything there is to know about pro bbing and competitions, I wouldn't argue over anybody especially a pro, that includes Bob. My opinion is that its nice to have a fresh set of competitors, judges, rules and routines. Having costumes and NEW WINNERS :o something the IFBB hasn't given the fans (who make it what it is) in along time if ever. The PDI is just starting but when it grows, it will turn into a good thing.
-
i start thinking that the people on this board are realy out of it,,lee priest is not "first tier"??
lee priest IS THE "first tier",,VERY VERY VERY FEW BODYBUILDERS,, YOU CAN COUNT THEM ON YOUR FINGERS AND TOES,,,ARE BETTER THAN LEE PRIEST AT HIS BEST,, he BELONGS IN THE TOP OF THE TOP and if he is not a first tier,,then kevin isnt and vic isnt and dex isnt and no one is but you bobbie
EXACTLY! so why has Lee never got the place he deserved?? im not saying hes come in PERFECT every show, but hes come in and placed way lower than he should have, if that happended to Ronnie or Jaw Jay, you'd hear some complaining.
-
yes your right, i agree....im not trying to choke you up. haha. I was just saying that having in opinion on someone could change the way one would judge someone. You hear stories of some competitors taking judges out for dinner the night before etc. There have already been so many controversial things in bbing take Franco or Arnold winning their last Mr. O titles or Dorian winning his last title or shows with different judges placing the competitors totally different than the Mr. olympia which was just a few days prior.
I don't know everything there is to know about pro bbing and competitions, I wouldn't argue over anybody especially a pro, that includes Bob. My opinion is that its nice to have a fresh set of competitors, judges, rules and routines. Having costumes and NEW WINNERS :o something the IFBB hasn't given the fans (who make it what it is) in along time if ever. The PDI is just starting but when it grows, it will turn into a good thing.
So you're saying rotating the winner in each BB contest is more important than giving the most worthy competitor 1st place?
-
But how can there be certainty in what you're saying? I'm not doubting its possibility, but like any business venture it takes on risk. To say he's not trying to compete with the IFBB is garbage, the commodity here is competitors, and the PDI is trying to take the IFBB's commodities.
No you are wrong. He is not trying to take anyone. First off they contact him. He doesn't contact them. Second he is allowing them to compete in the IFBB. He can care less. It is the IFBB that won't let their members compete anywhere else. So he is NOT trying to take anything from the IFBB. If he wanted to take on the IFBB he would concentrate more in the US. He is working Europe first. The IFBB has no shows in Europe this year as far as I know. Once he has Europe secured Asia, South America and the US are next. He has a plan and so far it is going perfectly. And believe me more pros like Wayne than dislike him. It is evident from the inquiries he is getting.
-
No you are wrong. He is not trying to take anyone. First off they contact him. He doesn't contact them. Second he is allowing them to compete in the IFBB. He can care less. It is the IFBB that won't let their members compete anywhere else. So he is NOT trying to take anything from the IFBB. If he wanted to take on the IFBB he would concentrate more in the US. He is working Europe first. The IFBB has no shows in Europe this year as far as I know. Once he has Europe secured Asia, South America and the US are next. He has a plan and so far it is going perfectly. And believe me more pros like Wayne than dislike him. It is evident from the inquiries he is getting.
So let's assume Lee can compete in both the IFBB and PDI and they have a show on the same day in the same place. Are they not then both competing for Lee's services? You keep telling us the PDI is such a huge threat to the IFBB, is it or not? Or are you just not convinced?
-
So you're saying rotating the winner in each BB contest is more important than giving the most worthy competitor 1st place?
no im saying judge to your own critera and follow your own rules and the winner will change on its own. obviously If they keep giving 1st place to the guy that looks like a tomato, when in fact your supposed to look like a carrot, everyone will try to look like a tomato. It ruins what its supposed to be.
-
Bruce, i think you love bobby.
-
So let's assume Lee can compete in both the IFBB and PDI and they have a show on the same day in the same place. Are they not then both competing for Lee's services? You keep telling us the PDI is such a huge threat to the IFBB, is it or not? Or are you just not convinced?
Wow you are a hard one. How old are you. First off there wouldn't be a show on the same day and in the same place. Do you know anything about BB. Cause it really sounds like you have no idea what you are talkikng about. Is your last name Goodrum. The PDI is a threat to the IFBB if they don't get their shit together. Right now the PDI is concentrating on the foriegn market and looking at the BB in foreign countries who are overlooked by the IFBB like Frey and Sami and many others. Please do not post unless you know something about this. It's like answering questions from a 12 year old.
-
If IFBB does go down, it won't happen for at least 5 years.
-
Wow you are a hard one. How old are you. First off there wouldn't be a show on the same day and in the same place. Do you know anything about BB. Cause it really sounds like you have no idea what you are talkikng about. Is your last name Goodrum. The PDI is a threat to the IFBB if they don't get their shit together. Right now the PDI is concentrating on the foriegn market and looking at the BB in foreign countries who are overlooked by the IFBB like Frey and Sami and many others. Please do not post unless you know something about this. It's like answering questions from a 12 year old.
don't tell him all the plans!! ;)
-
Wow you are a hard one. How old are you. First off there wouldn't be a show on the same day and in the same place. Do you know anything about BB. Cause it really sounds like you have no idea what you are talkikng about. Is your last name Goodrum. The PDI is a threat to the IFBB if they don't get their shit together. Right now the PDI is concentrating on the foriegn market and looking at the BB in foreign countries who are overlooked by the IFBB like Frey and Sami and many others. Please do not post unless you know something about this. It's like answering questions from a 12 year old.
I talked to Wayne day before yesterday for about 30 minutes. The website is almost done. It should be up this month. He told me who has been in contact with him and who has committed. And EVERYONE will be surprised I promise 100%. He is has a show secured in the Caribean in either Trinidad or one otherplace I can't remember. He is also working on one other show in Europe. He has a few people wanting to do shows in the US but nothing definite. He has he game plan and so far everything is going perfectly. He is NOT trying to compete with the IFBB. He could care less. The proof of that is the fact he is not working on the US as much right now. The PDI is truly going to be global. In addition, allot of the competitors trips are paid for along with hotel. Some major sponsors are talking.
You sound confused, big guy. And I said 'assume', you do understand what that means, right?
-
no im saying judge to your own critera and follow your own rules and the winner will change on its own. obviously If they keep giving 1st place to the guy that looks like a tomato, when in fact your supposed to look like a carrot, everyone will try to look like a tomato. It ruins what its supposed to be.
There is no 'supposed' look of a BBer. It's all relative to what they and their competitors bring to the stage. Jay's the biggest with the most muscle size, has symmetry apart from one bicep and is ripped to the bone. Tell me he doesn't deserve to win over someone more 'aesthetic' with a smaller waist, but also smaller than Jay.
I agree that the standard sucks, but it's what it is and Jay brought the best body according to the standard of the Olympia, IMO.
-
There is no 'supposed' look of a BBer. It's all relative to what they and their competitors bring to the stage. Jay's the biggest with the most muscle size, has symmetry apart from one bicep and is ripped to the bone. Tell me he doesn't deserve to win over someone more 'aesthetic' with a smaller waist, but also smaller than Jay.
I agree that the standard sucks, but it's what it is and Jay brought the best body according to the standard of the Olympia, IMO.
Spot on.
-
I don't wish their demise...just the opposite. All the power to them. My sticking up for MY federation has nothing to do with the PDI...but Keith likes to point out that the IFBB doesn't pay anyone a salary, as if the PDI does...
As far as I know NO BB federation pays their athletes...
Maybe they don't get paid cause they're not athletes? :-\
-
Wow you are a hard one. How old are you. First off there wouldn't be a show on the same day and in the same place. Do you know anything about BB. Cause it really sounds like you have no idea what you are talkikng about. Is your last name Goodrum. The PDI is a threat to the IFBB if they don't get their shit together. Right now the PDI is concentrating on the foriegn market and looking at the BB in foreign countries who are overlooked by the IFBB like Frey and Sami and many others. Please do not post unless you know something about this. It's like answering questions from a 12 year old.
interantional approach is sounder tham David vs Goliath in california
-
There is no 'supposed' look of a BBer. It's all relative to what they and their competitors bring to the stage. Jay's the biggest with the most muscle size, has symmetry apart from one bicep and is ripped to the bone. Tell me he doesn't deserve to win over someone more 'aesthetic' with a smaller waist, but also smaller than Jay.
I agree that the standard sucks, but it's what it is and Jay brought the best body according to the standard of the Olympia, IMO.
I wasn't talking about Jay specifically. For the record i've seen Jay look way better. All i was saying was you should judge according to your rules. I don't think it says in the rules "the biggest man wins.period." but you never know with the IFBB actually.
-
"statistically"? You cant compare over 200 athletes in the IFBB to 20 in the PDI.
And why do you compare a federation founded in 1946 to a new born organisation that started its business in 2006?
-
"statistically"? You cant compare over 200 athletes in the IFBB to 20 in the PDI.
well you are right. Cause more than 175 of the 200 members make zero, zilch, nada, nothing, zip from competing. In fact they lose money every year they are a member of the IFBB. They pay for the traveling expenses, drugs, entrance fees, and dues. So you are right. You can't compare.
-
Being that it's a subjectively judged sport...it can only be HIS truth. Complaining is just that...
Bottom line is...why complain??
why complain???? you sure do seem to complain when you feel you are judged unfairly..i believe thats where your saying comes from "sometimes you get the elevator sometimes you get the shaft."s anyway you can say what you want to but you know things need to change. the ifbb has a monopoly and controls it with old money. it bleeds the athletes dry making them appear in videos (road to the O) ect. without paying them properly.
-
why complain???? you sure do seem to complain when you feel you are judged unfairly..i believe thats where your saying comes from "sometimes you get the elevator sometimes you get the shaft."s anyway you can say what you want to but you know things need to change. the ifbb has a monopoly and controls it with old money. it bleeds the athletes dry making them appear in videos (road to the O) ect. without paying them properly.
I've complained PLENTY...about not being compared to guys I've beaten, or guys that were eventually placed 1 or 2 spots ahead of me...
I've also gotten the rules changed to reflect more comparisons, more rounds, and making it mandatory that athletes get a fair shake to those within 3 spots of them.
BTW...under Wayne's rule, the athletes did have to appear or face getting fined....since he was replaced, it up to the athletes whether or not they wished to participate...
Try and be more up to date with your opinions and knowledge, they are innacurate.