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How much do you reckon Jay, Dexter, Victor and Ronnie would earn a year??
What about someone at the other end of the scale, like Jaroslav Horvath, Tommi Thorvildsen, Kris Dim, or Will Harris?
Discuss
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Just guesses, but based on some facts and some math:
Mr O and the number two guy prolly do $500k/year or so all total.
Half a dozen others are probably in the $200k or so range.
Maybe 8 or 10 more "make a living" between $50k - $100k.
Everyone else is losing money, and if they don't have a real job are probably sucking dick and/or dealing drugs to make ends meet.
And whatever you do, don't believe these guys when they self-report their income... of course they want you to think they're making millions. You really think they want to admit that as a top-20 "professional athlete" they're bringing home less than your typical McDonald's manager?
** waiting for Bob "daddy warbucks" Chick to chime in and tell me I "don't know shit" ** ::)
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Just guesses, but based on some facts and some math:
Everyone else is losing money, and if they don't have a real job are probably sucking dick and/or dealing drugs to make ends meet.
Where does Vince G fit in there? ;D
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Where does Vince G fit in there? ;D
When did Vince G become a pro?
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Where does Vince G fit in there? ;D
Well this is Vince getting a shower. Hope this helps.
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When did Vince G become a pro?
I thought he earned his pro card at the 2006 Mr. Delusional... ???
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These guys CANNOT make a living unless there a top 5...at least! Trust me! I know! After that there on there own. Income varies! ???
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How much do you reckon Jay, Dexter, Victor and Ronnie would earn a year??
What about someone at the other end of the scale, like Jaroslav Horvath, Tommi Thorvildsen, Kris Dim, or Will Harris?
Discuss
A few years back, a standard Weider contract meant $50 000. Measly, when you consider that it made those guys exclusive to those mags. Günter, Ronnie and a few more got a bit more.
BTW, Funny you mentioned "World" Harris.
He's known to hang around different kind of expo's, and not just bodybuilding ones, but goth and alike..
He's got some gay vampire thing going or something, not really sure what it all boils down to, perhaps Cicherillo or MADMAX has the 411 on what exactly World Harris does with that undead thing? ???
It doesn't take a genius to figure out that guys who doesn't have a high-paid job and doesn't have big contracts, needs to find... alternative ways to make ends meet in the industry.
I just look at Cicherillo, and I'm very happy for his sake - the guy got out in time, he found a niche, something he could excell in for many years to come.
-Hedge
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Just guesses, but based on some facts and some math:
Mr O and the number two guy prolly do $500k/year or so all total.
Half a dozen others are probably in the $200k or so range.
Maybe 8 or 10 more "make a living" between $50k - $100k.
Everyone else is losing money, and if they don't have a real job are probably sucking dick and/or dealing drugs to make ends meet.
And whatever you do, don't believe these guys when they self-report their income... of course they want you to think they're making millions. You really think they want to admit that as a top-20 "professional athlete" they're bringing home less than your typical McDonald's manager?
** waiting for Bob "daddy warbucks" Chick to chime in and tell me I "don't know shit" ** ::)
"YOU DON'T KNOW SHIT" ;D
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"YOU DON'T KNOW SHIT" ;D
how you liking diapers, chick?
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if they don't have a real job are probably sucking dick and/or dealing drugs to make ends meet.
Our very own "natural al" sucks cock for pocket change and he's not even a pro bodybuilder!
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how you liking diapers, chick?
He's used to 'em...............
He changes the Weeda brothers all the time.......... :-\
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whatever the schmoes give em
"schmoeconomics"
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how you liking diapers, chick?
Weird stuff..like black tar for the first few days I guess. Sleeping for long periods, thank God....
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Weird stuff..like black tar for the first few days I guess. Sleeping for long periods, thank God....
Don't worry, the weedas should be dying off soon..............no more black tar for you..........
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whatever the schmoes give em
"schmoeconomics"
The basic schmoeconomy is sizable and it's safe to say that it's probably growing.
There's also 'high schmociety', where top physique models can pick up an easy $10,000-15,000/month, cash.
And that's just from a single 'sponsor'...
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The basic schmoeconomy is sizable and it's safe to say that it's probably growing.
There's also 'high schmociety', where top physique models can pick up an easy $10,000-15,000/month, cash.
And that's just from a single 'sponsor'...
Not asking for names, Tre...
But how many top physique models would you guesstimate are going all the way, ie offering sexual intercourse to their schmoe customers?
Just give us a rough estimate.
Thanks bro.
-Hedge
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A few years back, a standard Weider contract meant $50 000. Measly, when you consider that it made those guys exclusive to those mags. Günter, Ronnie and a few more got a bit more.
My guesses factored in: prize money(which is only substantial for the top 3 or so guys in the sport ), publishing contract (the "50k standard weider" you mention, although some are with MD or musclemag), supplement contract, guest posings, and misc. (video sales, smaller endorsements, etc).
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Weird stuff..like black tar for the first few days I guess. Sleeping for long periods, thank God....
Yep. As much as that stuff is no fun, it will get worse in weeks 2 and 3 when you may have to *fix* the constipation issue. I strongly recommend Gentlease by Enfamil for that, should you face it. Does cause a bit more gas, but very good for digestion.
(This is where I would typically make the joke about "being an Ifbb pro, I assure you're already pretty familiar with anal suppositories, but the "being a dad stuff" is so disarming that I am not going there!). :)
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The basic schmoeconomy is sizable and it's safe to say that it's probably growing.
There's also 'high schmociety', where top physique models can pick up an easy $10,000-15,000/month, cash.
And that's just from a single 'sponsor'...
expanding sector
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"YOU DON'T KNOW SHIT" ;D
well could you give us a ballpark fiqure papa chick
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Just guesses, but based on some facts and some math:
Mr O and the number two guy prolly do $500k/year or so all total.
Half a dozen others are probably in the $200k or so range.
Maybe 8 or 10 more "make a living" between $50k - $100k.
Everyone else is losing money, and if they don't have a real job are probably sucking dick and/or dealing drugs to make ends meet.
And whatever you do, don't believe these guys when they self-report their income... of course they want you to think they're making millions. You really think they want to admit that as a top-20 "professional athlete" they're bringing home less than your typical McDonald's manager?
** waiting for Bob "daddy warbucks" Chick to chime in and tell me I "don't know shit" ** ::)
The only 2 people that are making over $200 are Jay and Ronnie.
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The only 2 people that are making over $200 are Jay and Ronnie.
Accurate.
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Bob, would you allow some random dude to feel your muscles on the street like Levrone did in that clip?
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Just guesses, but based on some facts and some math:
Mr O and the number two guy prolly do $500k/year or so all total.
Half a dozen others are probably in the $200k or so range.
Maybe 8 or 10 more "make a living" between $50k - $100k.
Everyone else is losing money, and if they don't have a real job are probably sucking dick and/or dealing drugs to make ends meet.
And whatever you do, don't believe these guys when they self-report their income... of course they want you to think they're making millions. You really think they want to admit that as a top-20 "professional athlete" they're bringing home less than your typical McDonald's manager?
** waiting for Bob "daddy warbucks" Chick to chime in and tell me I "don't know shit" ** ::)
i would say ruhl,ronnie and jay make over 200k a year.last year flex mag mentioned that ronnie makes 1 million every year
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"YOU DON'T KNOW SHIT"
What is a more accurate representation then of pro salaries?
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i would say ruhl,ronnie and jay make over 200k a year.last year flex mag mentioned that ronnie takes 1 million every year
i doubt ruhl is making more then $80K a year nevermind $200K ::) Seriously Ronnie and Jay are the only 2 guys right now with enough endorsement and contest winnings to be making over $300K+ a year. The rest of the guys ie gunter, dexter, might make around $100K a year. Dexter since he won the ASC most likely comes close behind Ronnie and Jay.. Alot of these top 10 bbers look like they make alot of money because they are all up in the mags etc.. That don't mean jack..
Do some quick math just think a top 10 pro who might make $100K a year. Eats about $500 a week of geroceries + all the product ie juice gh must come to around $10-$15K a show.
So
$500 a week or $2000 a month for food x 12 months = $24,000 +/- per year
$10-$15K on product per show average 2 shows = $20-$30K
Rent in cali is not cheap maybe he's renting for around $2000-$2500 a month = $24,000 +/- per year
Car payments, depending on what he drives could be $600 insurance included x 12 months = $7,200
Misc expenses ie , clothes, vaction etc.. $5000K a year
So if gunter makes $100K a year and you subtract what he spends in a year
Makes $100K a year
Spends $90,200 +/- a year
As you can see he might be saving around 10K a year in straight cash flow.. Now is that something to brag about?
If you have $100K-1mill a year of cash flow ontop of what you spend in a year then you are doing well. If you only have about $5K-10K of cash flow ontop of what you spend in a year, then you need to get a second job, unless your ok with just living an average joe life style and maybe drive a nice car and own a nice home..
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i doubt ruhl is making more then $80K a year nevermind $200K ::) Seriously Ronnie and Jay are the only 2 guys right now with enough endorsement and contest winnings to be making over $300K+ a year. The rest of the guys ie gunter, dexter, might make around $100K a year. Dexter since he won the ASC most likely comes close behind Ronnie and Jay.. Alot of these top 10 bbers look like they make alot of money because they are all up in the mags etc.. That don't mean jack..
Do some quick math just think a top 10 pro who might make $100K a year. Eats about $500 a week of geroceries + all the product ie juice gh must come to around $10-$15K a show.
So
$500 a week or $2000 a month for food x 12 months = $24,000 +/- per year
$10-$15K on product per show average 2 shows = $20-$30K
Rent in cali is not cheap maybe he's renting for around $2000-$2500 a month = $24,000 +/- per year
Car payments, depending on what he drives could be $600 insurance included x 12 months = $7,200
Misc expenses ie , clothes, vaction etc.. $5000K a year
So if gunter makes $100K a year and you subtract what he spends in a year
Makes $100K a year
Spends $90,200 +/- a year
As you can see he might be saving around 10K a year in straight cash flow.. Now is that something to brag about?
If you have $100K-1mill a year of cash flow ontop of what you spend in a year then you are doing well. If you only have about $5K-10K of cash flow ontop of what you spend in a year, then you need to get a second job, unless your ok with just living an average joe life style and maybe drive a nice car and own a nice home..
awesome post matt....
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if gunter makes $100K a year and you subtract what he spends in a year
Makes $100K a year
Spends $90,200 +/- a year
As you can see he might be saving around 10K a year in straight cash flow.. Now is that something to brag about?
If you have $100K-1mill a year of cash flow ontop of what you spend in a year then you are doing well. If you only have about $5K-10K of cash flow ontop of what you spend in a year, then you need to get a second job
Fer sure!! They certainly can't expect to develop business interests in Dubai, India on that kind of cash, can they Matt? ;D
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The basic schmoeconomy is sizable and it's safe to say that it's probably growing.
There's also 'high schmociety', where top physique models can pick up an easy $10,000-15,000/month, cash.
And that's just from a single 'sponsor'...
You must be talking about figure girls, right. Who the hell would pay that to see the men...even if he was gay?
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i doubt ruhl is making more then $80K a year nevermind $200K ::) Seriously Ronnie and Jay are the only 2 guys right now with enough endorsement and contest winnings to be making over $300K+ a year. The rest of the guys ie gunter, dexter, might make around $100K a year. Dexter since he won the ASC most likely comes close behind Ronnie and Jay.. Alot of these top 10 bbers look like they make alot of money because they are all up in the mags etc.. That don't mean jack..
Do some quick math just think a top 10 pro who might make $100K a year. Eats about $500 a week of geroceries + all the product ie juice gh must come to around $10-$15K a show.
So
$500 a week or $2000 a month for food x 12 months = $24,000 +/- per year
$10-$15K on product per show average 2 shows = $20-$30K
Rent in cali is not cheap maybe he's renting for around $2000-$2500 a month = $24,000 +/- per year
Car payments, depending on what he drives could be $600 insurance included x 12 months = $7,200
Misc expenses ie , clothes, vaction etc.. $5000K a year
So if gunter makes $100K a year and you subtract what he spends in a year
Makes $100K a year
Spends $90,200 +/- a year
As you can see he might be saving around 10K a year in straight cash flow.. Now is that something to brag about?
If you have $100K-1mill a year of cash flow ontop of what you spend in a year then you are doing well. If you only have about $5K-10K of cash flow ontop of what you spend in a year, then you need to get a second job, unless your ok with just living an average joe life style and maybe drive a nice car and own a nice home..
You forgot to figure in taxes (about 33-38%) including self-employment tax.......I guarantee he's making waaay more than a 100k if that's your figure....he has at least $33k in taxes, you take that away he's only netting $67k, if that's all he's making he should become a personal trainer and double his income!
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You forgot to figure in taxes (about 33-38%) including self-employment tax.......I guarantee he's making waaay more than a 100k if that's your figure....he has at least $33k in taxes, you take that away he's only netting $67k, if that's all he's making he should become a personal trainer and double his income!
true once you add in taxes its even worse, but gunter due to his marketability most likely makes more then $100K a year.
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Almost all of them make at least 100k a year.
There is also the business of selling "supplements" and "posing" sessions.
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Almost all of them make at least 100k a year.
There is also the business of selling "supplements" and "posing" sessions.
the whoring themselves out part of it ;D
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Not to mention we don't know everthing about how they invest their money, every single guest posing session, every contract, every personal training session, etc...
They make more than you think.
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I heard Gunter was making $350,000 from Weider alone. That Contract came about after the 2002 GNC show.
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I heard Gunter was making $350,000 from Weider alone. That Contract came about after the 2002 GNC show.
::)
Sorta like Ronnie's "million dolla a year" BSN contract, right?
All bullshit.
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Our very own "natural al" sucks cock for pocket change and he's not even a pro bodybuilder!
I hear that he would do it for a mc donalds value meal
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Not asking for names, Tre...
But how many top physique models would you guesstimate are going all the way, ie offering sexual intercourse to their schmoe customers?
Just give us a rough estimate.
It's tough to put even a soft number on it, but the best answer is probably 'more than you might suspect'. I'm talking about male and female physique models (although the client base on both sides is predominantly male), and it's something that's present in both the pro and amateur ranks.
Thankfully, there are plenty who know to sell the sizzle, not the steak.
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You must be talking about figure girls, right. Who the hell would pay that to see the men...even if he was gay?
No, it's not just women.
I can't (won't!) prove it myself, but based on everything I've ever heard, this market is probably *much* larger for the men willing to sell themselves.
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There's a reason it's called "Tre for pay". ;D
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Not to mention we don't know everthing about how they invest their money, every single guest posing session, every contract, every personal training session, etc...
They make more than you think.
The fact that top bodybuilders still have to do personal training tells you that they make less than you think.
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Jay has made 1 million a year for the last 3 years. He guest posed or made appearances like 42 weekends out of the year last year. That's a nice tax free 200k-300k right there.
As for the rest of the guys like Victor, Dexter, Heath, Gunter.... they're all around 100k-200k+guest posing and appearances cash.
It's good money but you don't make that amount of money for long, and if you retire at the age of 40 or so, then what are you going to do?? Hopefully they have that figured out.
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Jay has made 1 million a year for the last 3 years. He guest posed or made appearances like 42 weekends out of the year last year. That's a nice tax free 200k-300k right there.
"Tax-free"? Are you kidding?
No matter who pays the appearance fee, the individual or company writing the check is going to want the tax write-off, which means that payment amount has to be reported to the IRS by both the payer and the payee. By law, a 1099 is to be submitted on any independent contractor being paid more than $600 in a calendar year (from a single source), but even though the IRS isn't being that nit-picky, it would be risky - in my opinion - not to report a $3000 payday when you've received a 1099 for it.
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Yeah that's what I said. They also sell shit like used posing trunks for 50 dollars. Autographed pics for 20 dollars...
They make a lot.
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Yeah that's what I said. They also sell shit like used posing trunks for 50 dollars. Autographed pics for 20 dollars...
They make a lot.
There's at least one member here who supports his favorite bbers, by purchasing their soiled trunks.........
His name rhymes with "hurl". :-\
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"Tax-free"? Are you kidding?
No matter who pays the appearance fee, the individual or company writing the check is going to want the tax write-off, which means that payment amount has to be reported to the IRS by both the payer and the payee. By law, a 1099 is to be submitted on any independent contractor being paid more than $600 in a calendar year (from a single source), but even though the IRS isn't being that nit-picky, it would be risky - in my opinion - not to report a $3000 payday when you've received a 1099 for it.
Exactly, The promoter of any show with a guest posing is GOING to pay the guest poser with a CHECK and that is a paper trail which is reported and TAXED.
However..... I would imagine that a gay-4-pay posing session would be paid in cash as no-one would want a paper trail at either end. Therefore private posing sessions would be tax free.
As far as how much these guys make, I can assure you that they arent making very much at all doing guest posings.
Most local/ regional/state BBing shows can barely even fill an auditorium even 60% full, that will scarcely cover the overhead to rent out the facility. And you think they are going to pay out several thousand$ to a IFBB pro for a 10 min posing routine in the middle of a show? Hell I was at a local show where 4 IFBB pros were posing ... including Gunter and Ronnie....no way enough $$ was generated to pay several thousand to those guys along with the overhead of the Ball room that was rented out...... the promoter would have taken a loss.
BTW... 99% of these guys are DEEP in debt, live WAY beyond their means and live paycheck to paycheck.
If you think Dex owns any of his cars your sadly mistaken.
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Hurl? As in, a username like (random example) Hurl1972? No idea who you're talking about, sorry.
LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!
You and your cursed pens and pencils!
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Exactly, The promoter of any show with a guest posing is GOING to pay the guest poser with a CHECK and that is a paper trail which is reported and TAXED.
However..... I would imagine that a gay-4-pay posing session would be paid in cash as no-one would want a paper trail at either end. Therefore private posing sessions would be tax free.
As far as how much these guys make, I can assure you that they arent making very much at all doing guest posings.
Most local/ regional/state BBing shows can barely even fill an auditorium even 60% full, that will scarcely cover the overhead to rent out the facility. And you think they are going to pay out several thousand$ to a IFBB pro for a 10 min posing routine in the middle of a show? Hell I was at a local show where 4 IFBB pros were posing ... including Gunter and Ronnie....no way enough $$ was generated to pay several thousand to those guys along with the overhead of the Ball room that was rented out...... the promoter would have taken a loss.
BTW... 99% of these guys are DEEP in debt, live WAY beyond their means and live paycheck to paycheck.
If you think Dex owns any of his cars your sadly mistaken.
LOL...
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It's good money but you don't make that amount of money for long, and if you retire at the age of 40 or so, then what are you going to do?? Hopefully they have that figured out.
The true "stars of the sport", Mr O's and consistent top 5 contenders might have up to an 8 or 10 year run where they're making several hundred thousand dollars a year. If they're smart, and put it away and invest it, they can retire with a couple million invested and live off the returns. (of course, all bets are off if the dumbasses spend it on "bling" and Bentleys).
The rest of the IFBB pros, even the ones who are hot for a few years, only make enough to support themselves and their lifestyle for the few years they're making money, and when they're done, they're done! No money in the bank, and no visible means of supporting themselves.
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One good pro DVD can help a pro score an extra 10k a year alone.
How many DVDs would a pro have to sell to earn $10k?
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between 750-1,000
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between 750-1,000
Dat be a lot of DVDs.
Estimate... how many pros move that many a year?
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Aren't Jay's DVDs like 50 dollars? He would only need to sell 200. I'm sure he sells more than that.
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minus production, advertising costs.
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ah.
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The Arnold is a big schmoe convention. Just check out the side of the stage at the Ms. I when the women are coming off and on. E-mail a pro women bber and tell her you want a session at the Arnold.
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minus production, advertising costs.
Exactly...
I'm also ball-parking the estimate...there are a lot of factors, like prod. costs, profit margin, etc....some make more profit and need to sell much less to make up the money.
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The only 2 people that are making over $200 are Jay and Ronnie.
Didn't Lee Priest disclose his income on here at around $330k or something like that?
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production costs (film, sound and lighting, artwork, editing, reproduction), marketing and advertising costs, distribution costs. At the end the profit is low in DVD's. I would think most pros would take a one time buy-out rather than go through the hassle of tracking sales and accounting.
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The basic schmoeconomy is sizable and it's safe to say that it's probably growing.
There's also 'high schmociety', where top physique models can pick up an easy $10,000-15,000/month, cash.
And that's just from a single 'sponsor'...
rofl
"schmoeconomy" "high schmociety"
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i imagine you have to pay a pretty penny for mits's knee pads.... But I'm sure these guys do fine, the Olympia athletes at least. They're pro bodybuilders for crying out loud! Like a surfer they get to travel compete and do what they love to do. This is not the NFL with millions and millions of fans. In Gustavo's dvd he seems happy, pushes a BMW and has a nice condo in Vegas. Not to mention their wives who also work. If they wanted money they should have went to school and planned to make money outside bodybuilding. dugdale, henry, even Ronnie have ventures outside of bodybuilding. So if they're not making money solely within bodybuilding then their just lazy.
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Why should anyone in the USA pay income tax? Do you know it is illegal for the US government to collect income tax?
More info:
Stop paying your taxes! They can't throw everyone in jail and without the 1T per year in revenue, they won't have the power to do much anyway. Americans should band together to do this.
I work with a guy who did this spent over a million in court/lawyer fees and ended up spending 18 months in club fed. If we all did it maybe but go it alone and your fucked. He told me alot of the dificulty is any case where people or companies won were all closed and you could not use prior cases to support yours.
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How much do you reckon Jay, Dexter, Victor and Ronnie would earn a year??
What about someone at the other end of the scale, like Jaroslav Horvath, Tommi Thorvildsen, Kris Dim, or Will Harris?
Discuss
why don't you just say how much do you think.. instead of how much you reckon lol.. Australlian lingo=lame
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Why should anyone in the USA pay income tax? Do you know it is illegal for the US government to collect income tax?
More info:
Stop paying your taxes! They can't throw everyone in jail and without the 1T per year in revenue, they won't have the power to do much anyway. Americans should band together to do this.
No it is not a law. There is no where anywhere written where a person has to pay PERSONAL income tax. I did the website for the foremost expert on this issue. www.irwinschiff.com (http://www.irwinschiff.com) He offers anyone $100,000 to show where it says a person has to pay personal income tax. Their is NO law and there is NO statute anywhere in the IRS Code book. In fact he sell more copies of the IRS Code book than anyone else in the world. He loves to prove there is no law. What he does is amazing with taxes. Also, the most recent website is different from the one I did back in 2000. I did the original.
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I heard Gunter was making $350,000 from Weider alone. That Contract came about after the 2002 GNC show.
;D I'm not laughing at you, I'm just laughing at the fact that $$ #'s like these are even rumored to exsist.
Weider ain't paying nobody $6,750.00 per week... for anything.
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rofl
"schmoeconomy" "high schmociety"
fuck you i termed it schmoeconomy you fat pig ;D
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;D I'm not laughing at you, I'm just laughing at the fact that $$ #'s like these are even rumored to exsist.
Weider ain't paying nobody $6,750.00 per week... for anything.
I wouldn't be laughing too hard...that figure isn't far off. I know that for fact.
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So he has unlimited money now
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Exactly, The promoter of any show with a guest posing is GOING to pay the guest poser with a CHECK and that is a paper trail which is reported and TAXED.
However..... I would imagine that a gay-4-pay posing session would be paid in cash as no-one would want a paper trail at either end. Therefore private posing sessions would be tax free.
As far as how much these guys make, I can assure you that they arent making very much at all doing guest posings.
Most local/ regional/state BBing shows can barely even fill an auditorium even 60% full, that will scarcely cover the overhead to rent out the facility. And you think they are going to pay out several thousand$ to a IFBB pro for a 10 min posing routine in the middle of a show? Hell I was at a local show where 4 IFBB pros were posing ... including Gunter and Ronnie....no way enough $$ was generated to pay several thousand to those guys along with the overhead of the Ball room that was rented out...... the promoter would have taken a loss.
BTW... 99% of these guys are DEEP in debt, live WAY beyond their means and live paycheck to paycheck.
If you think Dex owns any of his cars your sadly mistaken.
you've done alot of guest posings huh? lol at all promoters are GOING to pay with a CHECK.
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this is embarassing that a pro of a 75 year old sport is not making minimum 400k each. at least when a pro from a different sport like football gets injured and cant play anymore they got money to fall on. look at mike matarazzo he is a repo man and he was a pro bb.
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The Arnold is a big schmoe convention. Just check out the side of the stage at the Ms. I when the women are coming off and on. E-mail a pro women bber and tell her you want a session at the Arnold.
The women??
Surely you jest.
You're sorely mistaken if you think that session providers are all or even predominantly female.
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Are you saying that Tre is part of a contingent of schmoes? :-\
I'm part of the new breed of schmoes who don't lurk in dark shadows waiting for you to turn around so that our buddies can snap a pic of us copping a feel of your girlfriend's biceps. ;D
With me, you know what you're getting the moment I walk up to you and introduce myself.
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I'm part of the new breed of schmoes who don't lurk in dark shadows waiting for you to turn around so that our buddies can snap a pic of us copping a feel of your girlfriend's biceps. ;D
With me, you know what you're getting the moment I walk up to you and introduce myself.
some creep hitting on your girl ;D
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f**k you i termed it schmoeconomy you fat pig ;D
Nah, we've got an entire lexicon of 'schmoe' derivatives.
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;D I'm not laughing at you, I'm just laughing at the fact that $$ #'s like these are even rumored to exsist.
Weider ain't paying nobody $6,750.00 per week... for anything.
You'd be surprised. I haven't kept up with much of anything since the AMI takeover, but prior to that time, there were guys getting $6000-9000/month in "just because" money from Weider. Others were rumored to be making even more...
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you've done alot of guest posings huh? lol at all promoters are GOING to pay with a CHECK.
Either that or an IOU ::)
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Nah, we've got an entire lexicon of 'schmoe' derivatives.
bullshit i used it in this thread and a couple of weeks ago, before you did. :-*
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Jay made 180K in contest winnings alone this year.
Then he's got his supplement and other contracts, which easily should add up to 250K, considering he's got like 15 of them.
Then he makes about 5-7K for guest posing about 20 weekends a year, plus merchandise and photo sales (about 200 autographs at $10 a pop) and then video sales.
I'd reckon Jay is making in the range of $1M to 1.5M a year.
Ronnie likely a bit behind, maybe 800K to 1M
Dex in the 400K range
Gunter up there from outside sources.
After that, it likely drops, but who knows what types of deals guys like Bob and Shawn are able to pull from good business sense.
With all this, it's still sad that the top guys can't crack the c level baseball or football players pay.
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The only 2 people that are making over $200 are Jay and Ronnie.
B-SHIT!!!!!!! Where do you get your quality info?
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Jay made 180K in contest winnings alone this year.
Then he's got his supplement and other contracts, which easily should add up to 250K, considering he's got like 15 of them.
Then he makes about 5-7K for guest posing about 20 weekends a year, plus merchandise and photo sales (about 200 autographs at $10 a pop) and then video sales.
I'd reckon Jay is making in the range of $1M to 1.5M a year.
Ronnie likely a bit behind, maybe 800K to 1M
Dex in the 400K range
Gunter up there from outside sources.
After that, it likely drops, but who knows what types of deals guys like Bob and Shawn are able to pull from good business sense.
With all this, it's still sad that the top guys can't crack the c level baseball or football players pay.
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I wouldn't be laughing too hard...that figure isn't far off. I know that for fact.
Well, it's a good bet he's paying you to say things like this. ;D
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Well, it's a good bet he's paying you to say things like this. ;D
Have a heart, willya? Bob has a new mouth to feed. And a long series of tiny little shoes to buy. If genuflecting before Pope Joe is what it takes to get that done, no one here should hold it against him.
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Jay made 180K in contest winnings alone this year.
Then he's got his supplement and other contracts, which easily should add up to 250K, considering he's got like 15 of them.
Then he makes about 5-7K for guest posing about 20 weekends a year, plus merchandise and photo sales (about 200 autographs at $10 a pop) and then video sales.
I'd reckon Jay is making in the range of $1M to 1.5M a year.
Ronnie likely a bit behind, maybe 800K to 1M
Dex in the 400K range
Gunter up there from outside sources.
After that, it likely drops, but who knows what types of deals guys like Bob and Shawn are able to pull from good business sense.
With all this, it's still sad that the top guys can't crack the c level baseball or football players pay.
Some of your info is correct and some of your assumptions are the reason for your flawed figures. Let's take a look at Jay Cutler and let's say a second tier guy like JJ or King. We'll call this guy Joe.
Contest winnings=180K: Jay earns around 180K in winnings. Joe earns about 10K/year in winnings.
Supplement and other contracts=250K: Supplement and magazine contracts are the only ones that are significant. Jay probably earns between 300-400K/year from endorsements. Joe earns about 40-75K/year for supplement/magazine deals.
Guest Posings=100-150K: This is where you go wrong. 90% of guest posings are done as part of the supplement contract, whereby the supplement company gets to sponsor the show simply by providing a guest poser at no charge. At one point Jay was guest posing 40-50 times per year as part of his contract requirements. Jay may have 4-5 paid guest posings/year for a total of 10-15K. Joe will have to guest pose as part of his supplement deal and may also be lucky to earn 10-15K/year outside of that deal.
Photos/Videos: Autographed photo sales are directly dependent on the number of appearances. For 20 guest appearances per year, figure 50-100 per appearance for around 15K per year. Video sales vary deal by deal, but assume $10-20K/year for Jay. Joe will earn about half that amount, so figure 5-10K for Joe.
| INCOME JAY JOE |
| Winnings 180K 10K |
| Contracts 350K 60K |
| Guest Posing 15K 10K |
| Photos/Videos 30K 15K |
| Total 575K 95K |
Now subtract gear (25-50K) and taxes (25%) and you'll see why Jay can live a nice life but a 2nd tier pro has trouble paying a website bill.
As for illegally-derived income, it really is Bodybuilder-specific. I truly doubt that Jay or Ronnie would even stoop to sell gear, but there are several Pro Bodybuilders with Joe-level on-the-books income, driving around in cars worth more than their annual income and living in homes they could never afford without gear income. Generally speaking, if a Pro has been arrested for selling drugs in the past, he is still dealing because that ghetto mentality (get paid for not working) never goes away.
Special "TruthAche" Ed
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Nice Post, SE
Back in the day, John Terrelli used to train at my gym. At the time, he was a top ten Mr. O level competitor, but he was still doing personal training.
I find it hard to believe he did this because he enjoyed carrying weights for fat stockbrockers and telling them how good they looked.
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or, marry a girl with rich parents, right Bob?
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Some of your info is correct and some of your assumptions are the reason for your flawed figures. Let's take a look at Jay Cutler and let's say a second tier guy like JJ or King. We'll call this guy Joe.
Contest winnings=180K: Jay earns around 180K in winnings. Joe earns about 10K/year in winnings.
Supplement and other contracts=250K: Supplement and magazine contracts are the only ones that are significant. Jay probably earns between 300-400K/year from endorsements. Joe earns about 40-75K/year for supplement/magazine deals.
Guest Posings=100-150K: This is where you go wrong. 90% of guest posings are done as part of the supplement contract, whereby the supplement company gets to sponsor the show simply by providing a guest poser at no charge. At one point Jay was guest posing 40-50 times per year as part of his contract requirements. Jay may have 4-5 paid guest posings/year for a total of 10-15K. Joe will have to guest pose as part of his supplement deal and may also be lucky to earn 10-15K/year outside of that deal.
Photos/Videos: Autographed photo sales are directly dependent on the number of appearances. For 20 guest appearances per year, figure 50-100 per appearance for around 15K per year. Video sales vary deal by deal, but assume $10-20K/year for Jay. Joe will earn about half that amount, so figure 5-10K for Joe.
| INCOME JAY JOE |
| Winnings 180K 10K |
| Contracts 350K 60K |
| Guest Posing 15K 10K |
| Photos/Videos 30K 15K |
| Total 575K 95K |
Now subtract gear (25-50K) and taxes (25%) and you'll see why Jay can live a nice life but a 2nd tier pro has trouble paying a website bill.
As for illegally-derived income, it really is Bodybuilder-specific. I truly doubt that Jay or Ronnie would even stoop to sell gear, but there are several Pro Bodybuilders with Joe-level on-the-books income, driving around in cars worth more than their annual income and living in homes they could never afford without gear income. Generally speaking, if a Pro has been arrested for selling drugs in the past, he is still dealing because that ghetto mentality (get paid for not working) never goes away.
Special "TruthAche" Ed
Good post!
Pretty much the same way I came up with my figures.
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Some of your info is correct and some of your assumptions are the reason for your flawed figures. Let's take a look at Jay Cutler and let's say a second tier guy like JJ or King. We'll call this guy Joe.
Contest winnings=180K: Jay earns around 180K in winnings. Joe earns about 10K/year in winnings.
Supplement and other contracts=250K: Supplement and magazine contracts are the only ones that are significant. Jay probably earns between 300-400K/year from endorsements. Joe earns about 40-75K/year for supplement/magazine deals.
Guest Posings=100-150K: This is where you go wrong. 90% of guest posings are done as part of the supplement contract, whereby the supplement company gets to sponsor the show simply by providing a guest poser at no charge. At one point Jay was guest posing 40-50 times per year as part of his contract requirements. Jay may have 4-5 paid guest posings/year for a total of 10-15K. Joe will have to guest pose as part of his supplement deal and may also be lucky to earn 10-15K/year outside of that deal.
Photos/Videos: Autographed photo sales are directly dependent on the number of appearances. For 20 guest appearances per year, figure 50-100 per appearance for around 15K per year. Video sales vary deal by deal, but assume $10-20K/year for Jay. Joe will earn about half that amount, so figure 5-10K for Joe.
| INCOME JAY JOE |
| Winnings 180K 10K |
| Contracts 350K 60K |
| Guest Posing 15K 10K |
| Photos/Videos 30K 15K |
| Total 575K 95K |
Now subtract gear (25-50K) and taxes (25%) and you'll see why Jay can live a nice life but a 2nd tier pro has trouble paying a website bill.
As for illegally-derived income, it really is Bodybuilder-specific. I truly doubt that Jay or Ronnie would even stoop to sell gear, but there are several Pro Bodybuilders with Joe-level on-the-books income, driving around in cars worth more than their annual income and living in homes they could never afford without gear income. Generally speaking, if a Pro has been arrested for selling drugs in the past, he is still dealing because that ghetto mentality (get paid for not working) never goes away.
Special "TruthAche" Ed
I think more for guest posing. Jay probably ges $5,000. He has to do more than just a few a year. Plus just appearance were he isn't posing during a show he has to charge. If a pro in any sport isn't getting paid to appear he is dumb. Not to brag as some might say I do, I was making more than $15,000 a year for appearances for awhile. And I wasn't near a name as Jay.
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Have a heart, willya? Bob has a new mouth to feed. And a long series of tiny little shoes to buy. If genuflecting before Pope Joe is what it takes to get that done, no one here should hold it against him.
Exactly.
The *entire* game changes once you've got mouths to feed.
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I think more for guest posing. Jay probably ges $5,000. He has to do more than just a few a year. Plus just appearance were he isn't posing during a show he has to charge. If a pro in any sport isn't getting paid to appear he is dumb. Not to brag as some might say I do, I was making more than $15,000 a year for appearances for awhile. And I wasn't near a name as Jay.
As I stated, but in case you missed it, most of the guest posings and appearances are now a part of the athlete's contract. It works out better for everyone. The promoters now get guest posers for free as part of their sponsorship deals and the supplement companies get "free advertising" and product placement at the state and regional level. The bodybuilders get more guaranteed money under their contract and don't have to try to line up guest appearances and posings since the supplement companies now handle most of that.
It is also well known in the industry that certain promoters/judges/chairmen are able to pick up the phone and call ANYONE including Ronnie and Jay and have them guestpose at their shows for free. It's all part of paying your dues to become or remain Mr. Olympia.
Special "Fo' Real Son" Ed
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How much do reckon a pro makes for one nude pose session? How much to take it up the butty? How much do they get for a vial of 200mg test?
The figure whores are like high priced call girls I bet.
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The figure whores are like high priced call girls I bet.
Did Monica Brant refuse to sign your program at the Arnold because you had body odor, or something?
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The figure whores are like high priced call girls I bet.
What would they be "high priced"?
Most of them have busted faces, and wouldn't get a second look walking down the street in most major cities.
They are only "all that" among IFBB schmoes.
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Some of your info is correct and some of your assumptions are the reason for your flawed figures. Let's take a look at Jay Cutler and let's say a second tier guy like JJ or King. We'll call this guy Joe.
Contest winnings=180K: Jay earns around 180K in winnings. Joe earns about 10K/year in winnings.
Supplement and other contracts=250K: Supplement and magazine contracts are the only ones that are significant. Jay probably earns between 300-400K/year from endorsements. Joe earns about 40-75K/year for supplement/magazine deals.
Guest Posings=100-150K: This is where you go wrong. 90% of guest posings are done as part of the supplement contract, whereby the supplement company gets to sponsor the show simply by providing a guest poser at no charge. At one point Jay was guest posing 40-50 times per year as part of his contract requirements. Jay may have 4-5 paid guest posings/year for a total of 10-15K. Joe will have to guest pose as part of his supplement deal and may also be lucky to earn 10-15K/year outside of that deal.
Photos/Videos: Autographed photo sales are directly dependent on the number of appearances. For 20 guest appearances per year, figure 50-100 per appearance for around 15K per year. Video sales vary deal by deal, but assume $10-20K/year for Jay. Joe will earn about half that amount, so figure 5-10K for Joe.
| INCOME JAY JOE |
| Winnings 180K 10K |
| Contracts 350K 60K |
| Guest Posing 15K 10K |
| Photos/Videos 30K 15K |
| Total 575K 95K |
Now subtract gear (25-50K) and taxes (25%) and you'll see why Jay can live a nice life but a 2nd tier pro has trouble paying a website bill.
As for illegally-derived income, it really is Bodybuilder-specific. I truly doubt that Jay or Ronnie would even stoop to sell gear, but there are several Pro Bodybuilders with Joe-level on-the-books income, driving around in cars worth more than their annual income and living in homes they could never afford without gear income. Generally speaking, if a Pro has been arrested for selling drugs in the past, he is still dealing because that ghetto mentality (get paid for not working) never goes away.
Special "TruthAche" Ed
Jay gets paid to guest pose. I trained at Bev's for years and know for a fact he's paid handsomely to appear in the NY shows. I doubt very much that it's contractual for a top guy.
However, I could be off by a fair margin, lets say it's somewhere in the middle, at 750-900K a year.
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Did Monica Brant refuse to sign your program at the Arnold because you had body odor, or something?
First of all, I'm not a muscle worshipping fag that goes to Bodybuilding events. Second, who in the blue hell is Monica Bryant?
Why the animosity? Does a wanna-be bb'er like yourself, probably 150 lbs soaking wet, get upset when someone busts out a dose of reality on their idols? Do yourself a favor and don't get so riled up, maybe then you'll remember to drink your whey and pray that you break 185 on the flat bench tommorow.
Cheers!
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What would they be "high priced"?
Most of them have busted faces, and wouldn't get a second look walking down the street in most major cities.
They are only "all that" among IFBB schmoes.
You're right, most of those chicks are beefy and have manly faces.
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With all this, it's still sad that the top guys can't crack the c level baseball or football players pay.
Well due to the fact that BBing isnt even a sport and bbers definately arent athletes I think they are lucky to make what they do.
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No, it's not just women.
I can't (won't!) prove it myself, but based on everything I've ever heard, this market is probably *much* larger for the men willing to sell themselves.
I would think it's probably bigger in the male ranks, since they have higher "extra" bills.
-Hedge
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Nah, we've got an entire lexicon of 'schmoe' derivatives.
ok i never saw it so the discovery was made independently by different people, including me :...do you hear that shadow ..fuck you indian....indian tan=dont wash for a year