Yes! The truth needs to come out! LONG LIVE THE LEGPRESS!
Both are good exercises. Both will help you build bigger legs. Choose which one works best for you. Don't be a sheep.or just use both ;D
Both have probably used some sort of squatting variation, and I know for a fact that dorian used hack squats in his routine. Don't know about dillet for sure but I'm not willing to believe he used the leg press exclusively for his quad development.
Both have probably used some sort of squatting variation, and I know for a fact that dorian used hack squats in his routine. Don't know about dillet for sure but I'm not willing to believe he used the leg press exclusively for his quad development.
Dorian speaks in the latest issue of Flex:
"Bodybuilders have gone to war over which is better - leg presses or squats. In my opinion, the choice is determined by one's structure. I have tried both and discoverd that I get a better overall quad workout from leg presses, so I've settled on that as my primary leg exercise"
He did very heavy barbell squats for the first six years of his bodybuilding career, but he eventually realized that it put too much stress on his knees and that he wasted so much energy on neuromuscular coordination, for this exercise, that his quadriceps weren't properly exhausted by the end. He realized that past a certain level of development, pre-exhaustion of the quadriceps followed by very heavy leg presses to failure stimulated overral more fibers than squats.
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He did very heavy barbell squats for the first six years of his bodybuilding career, but he eventually realized that it put too much stress on his knees and that he wasted so much energy on neuromuscular coordination, for this exercise, that his quadriceps weren't properly exhausted by the end. He realized that past a certain level of development, pre-exhaustion of the quadriceps followed by very heavy leg presses to failure stimulated overral more fibers than squats.Dorian had a hip injury and that's why he stopped them, he said he was at 385 for 10 when he stopped doing them.
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Dorian had a hip injury and that's why he stopped them, he said he was at 385 for 10 when he stopped doing them.
he prefer legpresses.yes, leg presses and hacks, i will gaurantee you that there isn't one pro who has relied on leg presses as their ONLY pressing movement for quads, not even Dillett, even Dillett did hacks.
Dorian had a hip injury and that's why he stopped them, he said he was at 385 for 10 when he stopped doing them.
Dorian had a hip injury and that's why he stopped them, he said he was at 385 for 10 when he stopped doing them.
That's not even remotely true.this is true pobrecito, now remember i'm not saying that he couldn't have free squatted 600 but he said himself in an old issue of Flex that he switched over when he had the hip injury, now in Blood and Guts he said that he SMITH MACHINE SQUATTED 600 PLUS FOR 10 which i think is 95 percent as hard as free squatting the same weight.
In his first book Dorian mentions doing over 600lbs free squats (...He also mentions a bench press over 500lbs, mind you this is in 92 before he blew up).
He eventually changed out the free squats for smith squats so he could isolate the quads better.
Dorian was one strong mother f*cker
this is true pobrecito, now remember i'm not saying that he couldn't have free squatted 600 but he said himself in an old issue of Flex that he switched over when he had the hip injury, now in Blood and Guts he said that he SMITH MACHINE SQUATTED 600 PLUS FOR 10 which i think is 95 percent as hard as free squatting the same weight.
Well, the guy obviously knew what he was doing.....6x Mr. Olympia.believe me Pobrecito i know Dorian was BRUTALLY STRONG, i'm just telling you what i read that the man wrote himself, like i said people who believe that 600 pound Smith Squats are easy don't know what they're talking about, 600 pounds is 600 pounds no matter how you slice it.
I never knew about the hip injury though.....I do remember reading something about that though.
anyone else of the pros doing a lot of legpresses that you can remember ???????????????????????most pros do a lot of presses, it's an awesome movement, Cutler and Coleman do a lot of them.
most pros do a lot of presses, it's an awesome movement, Cutler and Coleman do a lot of them.
but how many of them have it as their #1 exercise of choice for the legsCutler often does them as his first heavy movement, then hacks, then Smith front squats, like i said, most pros do a variety of pressing movemnts for quads.
the bread and butter
the meat and potatoes !!!
(some of these expressions are copyright lee haney, all rights reserved)
Cutler often does them as his first heavy movement, then hacks, then Smith front squats, like i said, most pros do a variety of pressing movemnts for quads.
i met Claude Groulx a few years ago and he told me that he does a lot of leg presses, he said that he relied on them and hacks for his leg size and he had awesome legs.
good!
i met Claude Groulx a few years ago and he told me that he does a lot of leg presses, he said that he relied on them and hacks for his leg size and he had awesome legs.
Platz did regular ol' ass to ankles squats so I am too.
If leg press was so good, all those Johnny Underarmours would be huge. That's all they ever do.
What's next, Incline Flies as the cornerstone of a chest workout?
Excuses.
Well I have long limbs and they work just fine. If you want to take the easy way out, so be it. Those friggin' exercise ball squats look hard as hell to do, that doesn't make them better than a regular squat. I'm sure you can do legpresses and grow if your juiced up the ass like Yates.
Great way to think outside the box, PRIVATE. Long live the legpress, King of the Lifts!
In my opinion BOTH OF THEM are essential for complete tighs, and I challenge anyone to show me a decent, big, well developed pair of tighs in history built without BOTH of them, at least in a given point in the athlete's carrer.
If you use free squats because you get great results form them, excelent, you're doing it for the right reason. But if you're only doing it in order to adhere to the 'dogma', hey, you'll be one limited SOB of an athlete in the leg department....
Actually Platz never did leg presses. And it's probably a cop-out to say squats of some type can't be done-hacks, front squats, machine squats, etc. Squats hit the overall lower body more than leg presses that are more specific to the quads, and are a much better overall conditioner.
On the other hand, leg press is a nice complement to squats; doing both makes sense. If leaving anything out it would leg extensions.
TOM PLATZ:LEG ROUTINE
EXCERSISE SETS REPS
SQUAT 8-12 5-20
HACK SQAUTS 5 10-15
LEG EXTENSIONS 5-8 10-15
LYING LEG CURLS 6-10 10-15
STANDING CALF RAISES 3-4 10-15
SEATED CALF RAISES 3-4 10-15
HACK MACHINE CALF RAISES 3-4 10-15
pumpster, since you refuse to go to a gym and instead waste time on a bowflex, what do you do for quads?hahahahaahha pumpy pumps up his squads on the bowflex..hahahahah
squats with a powerod?
:P
Well, man, if you restrict your knowledge only to magazines excerpts, you'll be doomed to the bodybuilding ignorance oblivion.
Just because you 'fished' one of the INUMERUOUS Platz's routines that happens to not involve legpresses doesn't equate to say that he NEVER employed the exercise in his repertoir. For instance, Platz used front squats and a special form of hack squats with heels off the platform and feet well retracted, in line with the carriage, just to bring the teardrops. Could you point out to me where are them in the leg routine of his that you posted? Does it mean he didn't performed them at all???
You're a real Einstein :P.....
Monster backpeddle.. ;D
Thanks for setting us straight "mike" LOL
Monster backpeddle.. ;D Plaztz didn't do leg press.
Thanks for setting us straight "mike" LOL
I would like to anyone who owns an Arnold's encyclopedia of bodybuilding to open up the book at the legs session and puleeze, scan the pic whre Tom Platz is legpressing.... :-\ Thanks in advance ;)
He did very heavy barbell squats for the first six years of his bodybuilding career, but he eventually realized that it put too much stress on his knees and that he wasted so much energy on neuromuscular coordination, for this exercise, that his quadriceps weren't properly exhausted by the end. He realized that past a certain level of development, pre-exhaustion of the quadriceps followed by very heavy leg presses to failure stimulated overral more fibers than squats.The reason what i heard was that he choose leg press due to the injury of glutes during squat.
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Here you GO andpumpster is OWNED ;)
...And he almost died for you bithces in the process...
LOL, great reference...
LOL i'm glad i livened things up in here for those with no lives and hours to spend on mindless truce threads that give their lives meaning while searching for pics. I give their lives purpose. bwahaahahahaahahahahah
ND and cronies actually spent quality time posting over and over again on pages 998, 999 and 1,000 just to monopolize those pages, while no one else cared. Losers ROFLMAO
Monster diversionary tactic A'las it failed and to quote super-stupid ( that would be you ) " Platz didn't do leg presses ' admit you're owned and move on ;)
Only nerds with no lives post over and over again to fill up entire pages up to and including page 1,000 of the truce thread. You are pathetic.
Hope this helps
;)PUMPSTER is OWNED hahaahahahahahahahahaha
;)
ND still hasn't provided ANY link with a training program for Platz that includes leg press. ;D Still waiting..
Only nerds with no lives post over and over again to fill up entire pages up to and including page 1,000 of the truce thread. You are pathetic.
That doesn't even include trailing pump around while furiously PMing cronies to do same, which is obvious. ;D
Hope this helps
Here you GO andpumpster is OWNED ;)
This "mike" might be as much of a pompous ass as ND, probably the same guy. LOL
Oh, and by the way, asshole, I have already stated a million times I live in Brazil!! 8) Trust me, I'm very for real, and the only coincidence between me and ND is that we actually can see that the grass is green!! Common sense, normal guys, with a LIFE and an objective eye to evaluate the true meaning of things can think alike, i.e., ND and me, and a lot others here, too!! ;)
The disgrace in these boards are guys like hulkster, YOU ( :-* ) , EARL 1972 and the likes......but what good would it be to post in here if it wasn't for you guys to induce excelent ownings, courtesy of us !!! ;D
why are you arguing with some mo who wastes time on a bowflex thinking he's a hardcore trainer when he doesnt even have the balls to go to a gym.
even a 24 hour gym in the middle of the night.
he still wont go.
yet he acts like he's a training expert and bbing judge.
at least vince g, alexxx, etc. go to a gym.
pumpster is by far the most pathetic person on this board.
ps, even TA and DA go to a gym.
ND, you are my hero!! 8) It's so good to own pumpster....and easy, too!! ;)
By the way, you're the man. You're spot on in everything you say about Dorian, he's the all time best, and that includes Arnold, too. I guess I'm a 'bit' biased, though, LOL.....
Count me in in your crusade to teach the true to Hulkster et al. My pleasure. 8)
Notice:
-Dinks ND, Icecold and "mike", all with no lives, attempt desperately to hijack the thread. ND obsesses, spends much time on this in between furious PMs to his dogs icecold, etc. "Mike" might as well be on Mars for all the good his long-winded babbling's doing. LOL
-Funnier still, no one else cares. HAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH AHAAHAHAH
That's what I'm saying. I didn't say legpress was bad, I said it shouldn't be the cornerstone of your leg workout. I legpress after I squat, but there is no way baby could keep the getaway sticks swole just pressing all day.
And I'm sure Platz legpressed but he didn't become a legend "legpressing" for 10 minutes straight.
I didn't think Mikey would get so butt hurt over me not fauning over Yates leg routine and resort to peppering me with this icon -> :-\
I've seen Platz train many times. He does do leg presses, both angled & old school vertical.
I'm here to help. :)
Dorian had a hip injury and that's why he stopped them, he said he was at 385 for 10 when he stopped doing them.yes the reason for him not squatting was the hip injury (he said his structure with longish legs made him not suited to it), but the 385 for 10 is bs..that was earlier in his career..in 1989 when he stopped doing the the free barbell squat regularly he was up to much heavier poundages...280kg (600lbs) for ass to the grass reps...on a good day he would get 8-12 reps with that weight.
yes the reason for him not squatting was the hip injury (he said his structure with longish legs made him not suited to it), but the 385 for 10 is bs..that was earlier in his career..in 1989 when he stopped doing the the free barbell squat regularly he was up to much heavier poundages...280kg (600lbs) for ass to the grass reps...on a good day he would get 8-12 reps with that weight.bullshit.
Notice:
-Dinks ND, Icecold and "mike", all with no lives, attempt desperately to hijack the thread. ND obsesses, spends much time on this in between furious PMs to his dogs icecold, etc. "Mike" might as well be on Mars for all the good his long-winded babbling's doing. LOL
-Funnier still, no one else cares. HAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH AHAAHAHAH
bullshit.
its not bull shit...he used squatting poundages up to 600lbs regularly in the late 80s....his best squat from his own mouth was 600 for 12...(which doesnt mean he squatted 600 for 12 every workout)no he didn't, i'll gaurantee you that.
385 for 10 is a joke.
yates was far stronger than that. after a couple of years he did 385 for 10...86-87 he was up to 465 for 8-10 and he added alot of strength after that...
no he didn't, i'll gaurantee you that.
he says so on his own website...obviously he could lie...but i doubt yates is the kind of guy to exagerate his poundages.and of course you believe it, after all, he says so, right? ::)
and of course you believe it, after all, he says so, right? ::)