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Title: Takeo Spikes from Buffalo to be traded
Post by: thisiskeith12 on March 25, 2007, 10:36:22 PM
By Tuesday or Wednesday...
Title: Re: Takeo Spikes from Buffalo to be traded
Post by: MikeThaMachine on March 26, 2007, 05:30:43 AM
I wish the Steelers could get him but he probably cost to much for them :(
Title: Re: Takeo Spikes from Buffalo to be traded
Post by: UPINTHEMGUTS on March 26, 2007, 11:08:34 AM
Is he an outside or inside linebacker? If he's an outside backer, I'd love for Baltimore to sign him. He had a strong season coming back from Achilles injury. If he was washed up, they would've released him by now. He still holds value and he'll have a lot of suitors.
Title: Re: Takeo Spikes from Buffalo to be traded
Post by: MikeThaMachine on March 26, 2007, 12:30:35 PM
Is he an outside or inside linebacker? If he's an outside backer, I'd love for Baltimore to sign him. He had a strong season coming back from Achilles injury. If he was washed up, they would've released him by now. He still holds value and he'll have a lot of suitors.

He's an outside linebacker.
Title: Re: Takeo Spikes from Buffalo to be traded
Post by: Option D on March 26, 2007, 12:34:20 PM
He's an outside linebacker.

He lives here in atlanta...Dude is huge in person...Not one of those cover tampa 2 backers that are like 6ft 230lbs...this dude was absolutley huge
Title: Re: Takeo Spikes from Buffalo to be traded
Post by: MikeThaMachine on March 26, 2007, 12:38:15 PM
He lives here in atlanta...Dude is huge in person...Not one of those cover tampa 2 backers that are like 6ft 230lbs...this dude was absolutley huge


Yeah is one of the biggest and probably the strongest outside LB in the NFL. He reminds me of Porter but bigger and a little slower, he's a really intense guy on the field, full of energy.
Title: Re: Takeo Spikes from Buffalo to be traded
Post by: UPINTHEMGUTS on March 26, 2007, 12:39:11 PM
I'd take him over Jarrett Johnson, the supposed replacement over Adalius Thomas' departure.

He's 30 and still productive. Really good at pass coverage and equally if not better in run support.

I'd sign him if it was my decision but the Ravens are looking to get younger on defense over the next 2 seasons so I doubt it will happen. The need depth and a new starter at cornerback before they sign a linebacker. Samari Rolle will be a converted nickel back at best by next season.
Title: Re: Takeo Spikes from Buffalo to be traded
Post by: Fury on March 26, 2007, 02:04:53 PM
Is he an outside or inside linebacker? If he's an outside backer, I'd love for Baltimore to sign him. He had a strong season coming back from Achilles injury. If he was washed up, they would've released him by now. He still holds value and he'll have a lot of suitors.

How the hell do you not know what position Takeo plays? He's easily one of the best backers in this league.
Title: Re: Takeo Spikes from Buffalo to be traded
Post by: body88 on March 26, 2007, 03:42:17 PM
I'd take him over Jarrett Johnson, the supposed replacement over Adalius Thomas' departure.

He's 30 and still productive. Really good at pass coverage and equally if not better in run support.

I'd sign him if it was my decision but the Ravens are looking to get younger on defense over the next 2 seasons so I doubt it will happen. The need depth and a new starter at cornerback before they sign a linebacker. Samari Rolle will be a converted nickel back at best by next season.

Achilies is a tough injury.... I guess he could step in while rex and co draft someone. They always draft great defensive players.
Title: Re: Takeo Spikes from Buffalo to be traded
Post by: body88 on March 26, 2007, 06:01:44 PM
n/m traded to the eagles.
Title: Re: Takeo Spikes from Buffalo to be traded
Post by: UPINTHEMGUTS on March 26, 2007, 07:07:57 PM
How the hell do you not know what position Takeo plays? He's easily one of the best backers in this league.

I knew he played the linebacker postion, shit stain. It didn't quite dawn on me at the moment as to whether he played inside or outside. I'm a Ravens man, not a Buffalo fan, check my avatar. ::)

But I forgot that you know everything about anything, including MMA. God forbid anyone dispute your opinion on that subject, for fear of being labeled a TUF fan. By that same token, I should only like arena football and not the NFL, right?

Get your degree and I'll see you at Spagos folding my napkin in the next 2 years. ;)
Title: Re: Takeo Spikes from Buffalo to be traded
Post by: UPINTHEMGUTS on March 26, 2007, 07:10:03 PM
n/m traded to the eagles.

And the Eagles got Kelly Holcombe to replace Garcia as the backup to Mcnabb. Darwin Walker goes to the Bills.

Shrewd but effective trade for the Eagles. Nicely done.
Title: Re: Takeo Spikes from Buffalo to be traded
Post by: body88 on March 26, 2007, 07:25:07 PM
And the Eagles got Kelly Holcombe to replace Garcia as the backup to Mcnabb. Darwin Walker goes to the Bills.

Shrewd but effective trade for the Eagles. Nicely done.

Agreed.
Title: Re: Takeo Spikes from Buffalo to be traded
Post by: Always Sore on March 27, 2007, 08:53:11 AM
And the Eagles got Kelly Holcombe to replace Garcia as the backup to Mcnabb. Darwin Walker goes to the Bills.

Shrewd but effective trade for the Eagles. Nicely done.

Another in a long line of good decisions this offseason. Plus it opens up the draft to get either the best S or CB on the board when they pick.
Title: Re: Takeo Spikes from Buffalo to be traded
Post by: UPINTHEMGUTS on March 27, 2007, 09:40:29 AM
Holcombe to me is very underrated and a valuable back up in the NFL. I seem to remember him throwing for over 400 yards in a playoff game when he played for the Browns a few years back.

He can play. I'm curious as to why Buffalo let him go. Must be going younger at the position behind Losman.
Title: Re: Takeo Spikes from Buffalo to be traded
Post by: Always Sore on March 27, 2007, 10:15:48 AM
Holcombe to me is very underrated and a valuable back up in the NFL. I seem to remember him throwing for over 400 yards in a playoff game when he played for the Browns a few years back.

He can play. I'm curious as to why Buffalo let him go. Must be going younger at the position behind Losman.

IMO if he is not there they can draft a young guy (Carson Palmers little brother) and have him sit behind Losman for a year then get out from under the Losman situation without another veteran waiting in the wings for a chance to start.
Title: Re: Takeo Spikes from Buffalo to be traded
Post by: MikeThaMachine on March 27, 2007, 01:29:10 PM
FUCK THE EAGLES , what the hell, now I can't really like TKO anymore cause he is a damn Eagle. Why do the Eagles have to pick up people I like, I hope they are under .500 next year >:(
Title: Re: Takeo Spikes from Buffalo to be traded
Post by: Oldschool Flip on March 27, 2007, 01:57:44 PM
IMO if he is not there they can draft a young guy (Carson Palmers little brother) and have him sit behind Losman for a year then get out from under the Losman situation without another veteran waiting in the wings for a chance to start.
Actually they had to get someone who was worse than Garcia or Donovan would bitch all year! ;D
Title: Re: Takeo Spikes from Buffalo to be traded
Post by: Always Sore on March 27, 2007, 02:15:22 PM
FUCK THE EAGLES , what the hell, now I can't really like TKO anymore cause he is a damn Eagle. Why do the Eagles have to pick up people I like, I hope they are under .500 next year >:(

Easy tiger there is always room in gang green for another convert, just throw down your current teams jersey and repeat "Mcnabb Super Bowl 2007 MVP"  500 times. ;D Opps almost forgot get used to always being thisclose and not in reality winning the big one..such is the life as a diehard eagles fan... ;D
Title: Re: Takeo Spikes from Buffalo to be traded
Post by: Always Sore on March 27, 2007, 02:16:39 PM
Actually they had to get someone who was worse than Garcia or Donovan would bitch all year! ;D

Did someone say overpriced free agents...nope guess I am just hearing things... ;D
Title: Re: Takeo Spikes from Buffalo to be traded
Post by: MikeThaMachine on March 27, 2007, 02:25:12 PM
Easy tiger there is always room in gang green for another convert, just throw down your current teams jersey and repeat "Mcnabb Super Bowl 2007 MVP"  500 times. ;D Opps almost forgot get used to always being thisclose and not in reality winning the big one..such is the life as a diehard eagles fan... ;D


Hey i'm a Steelers fan, my team is known for winning the big one, I have never been an Eagles fan. I live near Philly and can't stand the Eagles, not only do they suck but they can't win a big game to save their lives. They are in the weakest conference (NFC) and if they were as good as people play them out to be they would have been to many more super bowls and maybe won one. They are like the Bill's of the NFC except worse cause they have trouble even making it to the big one let alone win it.
Title: Re: Takeo Spikes from Buffalo to be traded
Post by: Always Sore on March 27, 2007, 05:54:28 PM

Hey i'm a Steelers fan, my team is known for winning the big one, I have never been an Eagles fan. I live near Philly and can't stand the Eagles, not only do they suck but they can't win a big game to save their lives. They are in the weakest conference (NFC) and if they were as good as people play them out to be they would have been to many more super bowls and maybe won one. They are like the Bill's of the NFC except worse cause they have trouble even making it to the big one let alone win it.

It's the off season puddin we all think we are going to win the next super bowl. See thats the difference between Steeler fans and Eagles fans, we know our team motto is "there's always next year..." you guys get so wound up about Steeler pride that anything short of the Big win is a shitty season. Try being in the big game 2 times in the last 30 years(and losing) and still getting excited about it every year...I should be the one thats upset I froze my ass off at old three rivers once to see my team lose by 2 TD's and they ran out of coffee and Hot anything midway thru the third quarter.


Heres to Big Ben crashing his crotch rocket again this year... ;D
Title: Re: Takeo Spikes from Buffalo to be traded
Post by: Fury on March 27, 2007, 05:56:17 PM
I knew he played the linebacker postion, shit stain. It didn't quite dawn on me at the moment as to whether he played inside or outside. I'm a Ravens man, not a Buffalo fan, check my avatar. ::)

But I forgot that you know everything about anything, including MMA. God forbid anyone dispute your opinion on that subject, for fear of being labeled a TUF fan. By that same token, I should only like arena football and not the NFL, right?

Get your degree and I'll see you at Spagos folding my napkin in the next 2 years. ;)

Most sports fans know a lot more about the sport than just their own team. It's pretty shallow and shows you're nothing more than a bandwagoner if you can't even tell what position a pro-bowl linebacker plays.  ::)
Title: Re: Takeo Spikes from Buffalo to be traded
Post by: MikeThaMachine on March 27, 2007, 06:03:07 PM
It's the off season puddin we all think we are going to win the next super bowl. See thats the difference between Steeler fans and Eagles fans, we know our team motto is "there's always next year..." you guys get so wound up about Steeler pride that anything short of the Big win is a shitty season. Try being in the big game 2 times in the last 30 years(and losing) and still getting excited about it every year...I should be the one thats upset I froze my ass off at old three rivers once to see my team lose by 2 TD's and they ran out of coffee and Hot anything midway thru the third quarter.


Heres to Big Ben crashing his crotch rocket again this year... ;D

No your wrong, when they have a sub-par season I say to myself "hey we have 5 fucking superbowls". I get over it quick and look to figuring out what went wrong and hope they adress the problems.
Title: Re: Takeo Spikes from Buffalo to be traded
Post by: Always Sore on March 27, 2007, 06:20:37 PM
No your wrong, when they have a sub-par season I say to myself "hey we have 5 fucking superbowls". I get over it quick and look to figuring out what went wrong and hope they adress the problems.

Thats why I want my son to be a eagles fan, no sense the pain should end with my death... ;D

I Hope someday to sell all my football cards from the Steelers "Iron Curtain" days (bradshaw rookie,swann,stallworth,webster,greenwood,ect) to help fund my old age home.
Title: Re: Takeo Spikes from Buffalo to be traded
Post by: jerseyhurricane on March 30, 2007, 02:06:04 PM
Holcombe to me is very underrated and a valuable back up in the NFL. I seem to remember him throwing for over 400 yards in a playoff game when he played for the Browns a few years back.

He can play. I'm curious as to why Buffalo let him go. Must be going younger at the position behind Losman.


Holcombe or Spikes have never been to the playoffs.
Title: Re: Takeo Spikes from Buffalo to be traded
Post by: UPINTHEMGUTS on March 31, 2007, 01:27:06 PM
Most sports fans know a lot more about the sport than just their own team. It's pretty shallow and shows you're nothing more than a bandwagoner if you can't even tell what position a pro-bowl linebacker plays.  ::)

Go fuck off. You're such an annoying little girl that nobody likes. And now that you've been exposed for the true little queer that you are(nice buck teeth, by the way), I'm sure I'd have little trouble finding people who agree with me.
Title: Re: Takeo Spikes from Buffalo to be traded
Post by: UPINTHEMGUTS on March 31, 2007, 01:28:14 PM

Holcombe or Spikes have never been to the playoffs.

Holcombe was the quarterback for the Browns during their playoff year a few seasons back.
Title: Re: Takeo Spikes from Buffalo to be traded
Post by: body88 on March 31, 2007, 02:26:10 PM
Guts know his shit. The dude is a pr guy for a NFL team.
Title: Re: Takeo Spikes from Buffalo to be traded
Post by: americanbulldog on April 01, 2007, 04:21:09 AM
I wish the Steelers could get him but he probably cost to much for them :(

Why, he is constantly getting hurt, never gives 100%.  I wouldn't want him.  Play Silverback, Larry, Farrior and Clark. 
Title: Re: Takeo Spikes from Buffalo to be traded
Post by: bigkid on April 01, 2007, 06:54:13 AM
Why, he is constantly getting hurt, never gives 100%.  I wouldn't want him.  Play Silverback, Larry, Farrior and Clark. 
  You know nothing about Takeo Spikes.
Title: Re: Takeo Spikes from Buffalo to be traded
Post by: thisiskeith12 on April 01, 2007, 07:36:42 AM
Holcombe is nothing but an injury waiting to happen, not to mention he's getting up there in age, he already has gray hair.

Losman is developing into a good quarterback, He threw for 20 TDs in '06, which is very good in the NFL. Not to mention he virtually had no running game with Willis McGahee through the latter part of the season.

Everyone thought that Marv Levy is too old and wouldn't be able to make sound decisions, but the Ko Simpson and Donte Whitner draft selections formed to be one of the league's best safety tandems. The Bills may have lost Nate Clements, Takeo Spikes, and London Fletcher, but they succeeded in lowering their number from the salary cap drastically. They had some depth at defense and I'd like to see Mario Haggan get a shot at starting because this guy was one of the nation's top linebackers in college and the Bills have used him as a backup to London Fletcher for the past 3 years. Not to mention Angelo Crowell who came out of the woodworks 2 years ago and did an excellent job at filling in for Takeo Spikes.
Title: Re: Takeo Spikes from Buffalo to be traded
Post by: UPINTHEMGUTS on April 01, 2007, 03:04:07 PM
Guts know his shit. The dude is a pr guy for a NFL team.

Thanks for the validation, Body. ;). If I can pay you a compliment, I'd like to say that no one else on these sports threads is a better ambassador for his favorite team, the New England Patriots, than you.

I have to keep reminding myself that Berzerkfury is a 20 year old college kid and that it's a waste of time to argue.

Title: Re: Takeo Spikes from Buffalo to be traded
Post by: body88 on April 01, 2007, 03:10:30 PM
Thanks for the validation, Body. ;). If I can pay you a compliment, I'd like to say that no one else on these sports threads is a better ambassador for his favorite team, the New England Patriots, than you.

I have to keep reminding myself that Berzerkfury is a 20 year old college kid and that it's a waste of time to argue.



No problem. I think some forget you actually work within a NFL franchise. As for bf, he was exposed. Ob those pics show everything the kid said was a blatent lie. His one motive was to stir up shit...
Title: Re: Takeo Spikes from Buffalo to be traded
Post by: jerseyhurricane on April 01, 2007, 03:12:42 PM
Holcombe was the quarterback for the Browns during their playoff year a few seasons back.


You're right...my bad. I was listening to a local report on the trade...they were wrong. It was just Takeo who never played in a playoff game.
Title: Re: Takeo Spikes from Buffalo to be traded
Post by: jerseyhurricane on April 01, 2007, 03:19:37 PM
Most sports fans know a lot more about the sport than just their own team. It's pretty shallow and shows you're nothing more than a bandwagoner if you can't even tell what position a pro-bowl linebacker plays.  ::)


He played inside linebacker for Cincinatti and outside linebacker for Buffalo. It's pretty easy to question what position the guy plays best at when he's had outstanding seasons at both positions.
Title: Re: Takeo Spikes from Buffalo to be traded
Post by: tu_holmes on April 01, 2007, 03:54:47 PM
FUCK THE EAGLES , what the hell, now I can't really like TKO anymore cause he is a damn Eagle. Why do the Eagles have to pick up people I like, I hope they are under .500 next year >:(

You hoped that last year too didn't you? Damn those NFC East Division Champs.
Title: Re: Takeo Spikes from Buffalo to be traded
Post by: americanbulldog on April 01, 2007, 06:02:52 PM
  You know nothing about Takeo Spikes.

I know he hasn't played sixteen games since 2004, I have seen him dog plays while playing for the Bengals, seems to have great years during the year prior to his contract expiring, has been in the league for 10 years, and don't think his best years are ahead of him.  Loved him in college, thought he was an animal.  He is due to make 4.6 million and the Bills stand to save 3.0 million by dealing him.  I think I know Takeo. 
Title: Re: Takeo Spikes from Buffalo to be traded
Post by: bigkid on April 01, 2007, 06:21:07 PM
"constantly injured" was an overstatment.  He's not a donte stallworth who plays 50% of his games. He's only recently been hit by the injury bug.  Although at his age I  don't think it will get any better.  He's also a warrior on the field.  This year was defintely an off year, because of the seriousness of the injury.  I think he'll regain 90% of his former self this year.  Which is still enough to be a great linebacker. 
Title: Re: Takeo Spikes from Buffalo to be traded
Post by: bigkid on April 01, 2007, 06:26:35 PM
Now as a Bills fan, I like the moves they're making.  They're getting rid of older expensive guys who don't fit the scheme, to make room for younger guys who do.  I love all the experts saying they were the biggest loser in the offseason.  The same guys who said Miami was the biggest winner last year.  It's going to be an interesting year.
Title: Re: Takeo Spikes from Buffalo to be traded
Post by: americanbulldog on April 01, 2007, 06:45:31 PM
"constantly injured" was an overstatment.  He's not a donte stallworth who plays 50% of his games. He's only recently been hit by the injury bug.  Although at his age I  don't think it will get any better.  He's also a warrior on the field.  This year was defintely an off year, because of the seriousness of the injury.  I think he'll regain 90% of his former self this year.  Which is still enough to be a great linebacker. 

How effective has he been the last three years.  I answered a statement by another poster saying the Steelers should pick him up, I replied that he is injured, takes plays off.  I agree he is a stud, but he is not someone you will be a difference maker for years to come.  Those days are over. 
Title: Re: Takeo Spikes from Buffalo to be traded
Post by: body88 on April 01, 2007, 07:08:40 PM
"constantly injured" was an overstatment.  He's not a donte stallworth who plays 50% of his games. He's only recently been hit by the injury bug.  Although at his age I  don't think it will get any better.  He's also a warrior on the field.  This year was defintely an off year, because of the seriousness of the injury.  I think he'll regain 90% of his former self this year.  Which is still enough to be a great linebacker. 

This number is a pretty big overstatment also. Donte Stallworth has missed 4 out of the last 44 games (3 years). He played all 16 games in 2004 and 2005. Out of the 68 total games over 5 years he has missed 12. I think overstatement is a understatement with your numbers  ;)
Title: Re: Takeo Spikes from Buffalo to be traded
Post by: bigkid on April 01, 2007, 08:17:43 PM
This number is a pretty big overstatment also. Donte Stallworth has missed 4 out of the last 44 games (3 years). He played all 16 games in 2004 and 2005. Out of the 68 total games over 5 years he has missed 12. I think overstatement is a understatement with your numbers  ;)
More like a misstatement.  He may not miss that many games, but he is rarely 100%.  I mean the guy averaged less than 3 receptions a game in 06, not including the games he missed.  Hamstring injuries are nagging him and they have been with him his whole career.  Unlike  guy like spikes who before 2005, only missed 1 game and that was when his mom died.
Title: Re: Takeo Spikes from Buffalo to be traded
Post by: body88 on April 01, 2007, 08:33:20 PM
More like a misstatement.  He may not miss that many games, but he is rarely 100%.  I mean the guy averaged less than 3 receptions a game in 06, not including the games he missed.  Hamstring injuries are nagging him and they have been with him his whole career.  Unlike  guy like spikes who before 2005, only missed 1 game and that was when his mom died.

Would you consider Deion Branch a health issue? He has been out due to nagging injury more then Stallworth in the same amount of career games. Stallworth has better career stats then Branch.Seattle felt Branch was realiable enough to spend a first round pick for him, and pay him 6 million a year. Stallworth averaged 19.1 yards a catch in 06. He had 70 receptions last year, 60 the year before that. It should also be noted his starting qb was lost to injury for most the entire year this year. Hamstring or not he has only missed 4 out of the last 44 games playing in all 16 games in 2004 and 2005. 68 career games with 12 missed is a low number. No one is ever 100 percent during the season. Look around the leauge at wr's. Hamstrings are a common issue, as with other nagging things. As long as you are playing that is all that matters. Before 2006 Stallworth had only missed 8 games out of 52. It should also be noted a lot of wr's hammy's "act up" up sometimes when there situation is not ideal.
Title: Re: Takeo Spikes from Buffalo to be traded
Post by: MikeThaMachine on April 01, 2007, 11:16:44 PM
You hoped that last year too didn't you? Damn those NFC East Division Champs.


HAHAHAHAH too bad my team has 5 super bowls to your 0....... ;D
Title: Re: Takeo Spikes from Buffalo to be traded
Post by: tu_holmes on April 01, 2007, 11:24:39 PM

HAHAHAHAH too bad my team has 5 super bowls to your 0....... ;D

Um, my team has 3... I'm a Raiders fan.

I follow lots of good players around the league though, and do not dislike Philadelphia at all.

Title: Re: Takeo Spikes from Buffalo to be traded
Post by: MikeThaMachine on April 01, 2007, 11:32:25 PM
Um, my team has 3... I'm a Raiders fan.

I follow lots of good players around the league though, and do not dislike Philadelphia at all.



Well I live near Philly and hate the Eagles, I hope they all die and go to hell ;D My friends have benn rubbing it in my face that they have TKO.. :(
Title: Re: Takeo Spikes from Buffalo to be traded
Post by: tu_holmes on April 01, 2007, 11:35:08 PM
Well I live near Philly and hate the Eagles, I hope they all die and go to hell ;D My friends have benn rubbing it in my face that they have TKO.. :(

I don't hate Philly in general, but I do think they do some dumb things and that Andy Ried is not the best coach in the league... He puts all of his faith in a guy who's only completed 2 seasons in the NFL in his 6 years... I don't care how many pro bowls he's been to, he will never win the big one... Forget it guys. He'll be lucky if he can complete a season, much less win a Super Bowl.
Title: Re: Takeo Spikes from Buffalo to be traded
Post by: MikeThaMachine on April 01, 2007, 11:37:10 PM
I don't hate Philly in general, but I do think they do some dumb things and that Andy Ried is not the best coach in the league... He puts all of his faith in a guy who's only completed 2 seasons in the NFL in his 6 years... I don't care how many pro bowls he's been to, he will never win the big one... Forget it guys. He'll be lucky if he can complete a season, much less win a Super Bowl.



Thank you for being honest ;)
Title: Re: Takeo Spikes from Buffalo to be traded
Post by: tu_holmes on April 01, 2007, 11:39:31 PM

Thank you for being honest ;)

I'm honest about everything... The Raiders suck too... Good D last year, but if you never put points on the board, you're not gonna win.

I never understood the Aaron Brooks pickup either... He just never impressed me much. Look at how Brees turned out in New Orleans... Aaron could have never done that.

Speaking of Brees... San Diego woulda won it all if they kept him last year.
Title: Re: Takeo Spikes from Buffalo to be traded
Post by: americanbulldog on April 02, 2007, 12:32:33 AM
"constantly injured" was an overstatment.  He's not a donte stallworth who plays 50% of his games. He's only recently been hit by the injury bug.  Although at his age I  don't think it will get any better.  He's also a warrior on the field.  This year was defintely an off year, because of the seriousness of the injury.  I think he'll regain 90% of his former self this year.  Which is still enough to be a great linebacker. 

Last two years he played 15 games, and some of last year, he hadn't fully recovered from 05.  Even when fully healthy in 04, he had thirty less tackles than 03, and was three years away from his best stats (when with the Bungholes in 2000).  He is ten years into his career, is going to turn 31 in December, came off a really bad injury in 05 that he never fully recovered from.  He is a MONSTER who is strong at the point of attack, isn't the greatest in covering small running backs, or athletic tight ends.  I don't think he will replicate his 04 year, and I don't see him being the force he once was.  If he does recover to 90%, he will be one of the better linebackers, but not a GREAT linebacker. 
Title: Re: Takeo Spikes from Buffalo to be traded
Post by: bigkid on April 02, 2007, 06:13:28 AM
Would you consider Deion Branch a health issue? He has been out due to nagging injury more then Stallworth in the same amount of career games. Stallworth has better career stats then Branch.Seattle felt Branch was realiable enough to spend a first round pick for him, and pay him 6 million a year. Stallworth averaged 19.1 yards a catch in 06. He had 70 receptions last year, 60 the year before that. It should also be noted his starting qb was lost to injury for most the entire year this year. Hamstring or not he has only missed 4 out of the last 44 games playing in all 16 games in 2004 and 2005. 68 career games with 12 missed is a low number. No one is ever 100 percent during the season. Look around the leauge at wr's. Hamstrings are a common issue, as with other nagging things. As long as you are playing that is all that matters. Before 2006 Stallworth had only missed 8 games out of 52. It should also be noted a lot of wr's hammy's "act up" up sometimes when there situation is not ideal.
Stallworth has never even had 1000 yards recieving for a year.  Guy was the 13th overall pick.  This injury has been with him forever and its holding him back.  He's also on his 3rd team in 6 years.  Good luck.
Title: Re: Takeo Spikes from Buffalo to be traded
Post by: bigkid on April 02, 2007, 06:19:10 AM
Last two years he played 15 games, and some of last year, he hadn't fully recovered from 05.  Even when fully healthy in 04, he had thirty less tackles than 03, and was three years away from his best stats (when with the Bungholes in 2000).  He is ten years into his career, is going to turn 31 in December, came off a really bad injury in 05 that he never fully recovered from.  He is a MONSTER who is strong at the point of attack, isn't the greatest in covering small running backs, or athletic tight ends.  I don't think he will replicate his 04 year, and I don't see him being the force he once was.  If he does recover to 90%, he will be one of the better linebackers, but not a GREAT linebacker. 
I agree, he's defintely seen his best days go by.  When you get into the stats though you can skew things.  in 03 he was only 2 tackles off his best year and in 04 he had 5 picks, 2 for td's and 3 times the passes defended than he did in 2000. 
Title: Re: Takeo Spikes from Buffalo to be traded
Post by: body88 on April 02, 2007, 07:37:32 AM
Stallworth has never even had 1000 yards recieving for a year.  Guy was the 13th overall pick.  This injury has been with him forever and its holding him back.  He's also on his 3rd team in 6 years.  Good luck.

The patriots picked up Stallworth in a one year deal for cheap money. They have the ability to extend him if they like what he does in 07 or let him walk at no loss. Stallworth turned down more money from the titans/dolphins because he really wanted to play in NE with Brady. How exactly is there risk in a one year deal? The deal is not expensive. It is beyond reasonablefor the level of talent you are getting. Stallworths contract is performance based. He has to prove himself to make his money. The pats did not pay a lot of money for him, and if he performs to there expectations, they can extend him at over a million less per year then what Branch is making. If they do not like how he plays they cut him in 08 at no loss. This pickup can only help them. They went to the afc championship game with Jabar gaffney, Troy Brown and Reche Caldwell. Stallworth turned down more guaranteed money from the titans and dolphins to play in NE. I would think that is a sign of maturity, and shows some desire to prove himeself. You are correct he has not had a 1000 yard season. His best was 950 yards. He has not  played with Tom Brady either. A guy who had two scrap heap team rookies putting up numbers dwarfing the likes of Reggie Wayne and Marvin Harrison in the postseason. Pretty amazing considering they where rookies to the team who missed the preseason. Are you saying Deion Branch is not a good receiver? He has never had a 1000 yard season, and was was worth a first round draft choice and 6 million bucks a year from Seattle. A first round draft choice is a serious investment.

Donte Stallworth is better then Deion Branch. He is bigger, faster , has more natural talent and a legit deep threat. His avg is better and he has more then twice the td's Branch does.Stallworth has also been out due to injury less in the same amount of games as Branch, making him incredably more durable. The Stallworth deal was tremendous pickup for a team who needs a deep threat wr. They are paying him cheap money, and have the ability to walk away at no loss after one year. If they decide to extend him for the five years they are still going to get him for a great price. As you know, the patriots offered Deion the same contract Seattle did. The only catch was Deion had to play out the final year of his current contract. He was holding out and demanding his current contract be ripped up. Ob the pats could not just tear up his current contract or else everyone on the team would hold out and force a new deal. So they let him walk for a first rounder. Stallworth was picked up for one year with a five year option if they choose to exercise it. If they decide to give him that five year option after this season they will have gotten Donte Stallworth, a better player at 2 million less per year then Deion, plus a first round draft choice they will be using in this current draft. Dieon also contributed to the pats having close to 30 million in cap space this year. Stallworth is on the record telling Drew Rosenhouse he is "not leaving NE without a deal, get it done" sounds like he wants to play to me. Couple that with the fact he is only gauranteed one year at veryyyy reasonable money under a performance based contract and I dont see what team wouldent jump to sign that deal. Others tried to give him more actually, he turned them down. They said good luck with Rodney Harrison and Corey Dillon also. They helped us win superbowls.

Belicheck and Pioli are a some of the best at evaluating what peices fit there puzzle. He will fit right in, some of the most respected vets on the pats have been with over 4 teams in there career. With ten draft choices including two first rounders a legit deep threat with a lot of talent is welcomed on a team who needs jus that. The price was right and the need immediate. If he does not work out, he will contruibute to a team who made it to the afc championship game without him. If he pans out like I think he will playing with Brady. It will have netted us a great player under a more then reasonable contract, plus whatever player/players we get with the 24th pick in this draft.
Title: Re: Takeo Spikes from Buffalo to be traded
Post by: americanbulldog on April 02, 2007, 06:27:09 PM
I agree, he's defintely seen his best days go by.  When you get into the stats though you can skew things.  in 03 he was only 2 tackles off his best year and in 04 he had 5 picks, 2 for td's and 3 times the passes defended than he did in 2000. 

03 isn't 07.  Why would someone invest a lot of cap jack in a guy who prolly has seen his best years?  This was my only point.  Same reason I am glad the Stillers let Peezy go.  (Rod was STUPID for the Rowney's, cheap is one thing, letting Rod go is criminal.)
Title: Re: Takeo Spikes from Buffalo to be traded
Post by: jerseyhurricane on April 03, 2007, 03:33:15 PM
Adailius Thomas was a great picup for New England. should have been illegal.
Title: Re: Takeo Spikes from Buffalo to be traded
Post by: body88 on April 03, 2007, 04:17:51 PM
Adailius Thomas was a great picup for New England. should have been illegal.


The pick up in itself was tremendous for us given the immediate help we need at linebacker. Adalius is a perfect fit for belichicks system, that is built for lb's like Adalius. Belichick also had the opportunity to scout Thomas all week at the pro bowl when he was coaching. Belichick commented on how impressed he was with his ability when he came back. Thomas is a high "charector guy" which makes his abilities all the sweeter, and should ensure he "meshes" well with the team. With 10 draft picks including two first rounders, NE will be able to draft a LB or DE to groom for the long term while Thomas makes an impact right away. The best part of this whole deal was that Thomas took over 5 million dollars LESS then he was offered from two other teams to play in NE. That was 5 million in guaranteed money, not fluff money that makes contracts look pretty. The globe has him making 18 mill in guaranteed money over the course of the deal. Porter just got 20 mill over five years in his deal with the phins. There are times the pats open there check book ( Colvin) and I was glad they did for a guy like Thomas. The fact that Belichick never plays rookies at the lb position in his 3/4 is what made this deal very good for us. We needed a vet guy to fill that piece of the puzzle while whoever they drafted has time to learn the system correctly. Over the last seven years the pats have spent all the way up to the cap with the exception of last year. They used last year to tender the remainder of there core players to long term deals. That was a big factor in giving the pats 29 million bucks in cap space this offseason. I believe the same figure is projected for net years offseason also. Currently they still have around 9 million bucks left in cap space. Word is Asanti is close to a long term deal so that number could go up if his franchise tag is removed. The 29 mill this year allowed the pats to get some guys they really wanted. With ten picks including two first rounders in the coming draft Pioli and Belichick are going to have a lot of flexability. Pioli was qouted as saying " You do not win any trophies in March for what you did in the offseason. Our main focus is the draft"  When he was asked about the pats offseason moves. A statement which solidifies there commitment over the years to the draft. Although they did have 17 free agents on the team in 2001 along with a strong draft. I hope they have a draft on par with the 2002 and 2003 drafts. With all the talent in the afc a strong draft is imperative.
Title: Re: Takeo Spikes from Buffalo to be traded
Post by: americanbulldog on April 03, 2007, 07:09:06 PM
Adailius Thomas was a great picup for New England. should have been illegal.

This was a steal.