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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: ButtonMan on May 03, 2007, 07:31:37 AM
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has got to be Cable Crossovers or Seated Calf Raise machine
This one is on the list too ( Billy are you watching ? )
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Another piece of junk ........ ( make a great coat rack though )
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People love those hammer smiff incline presses, you can put six plates on each side and look like a real monster. it's a bullshit machine
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Seated calf raise..useless ?? ::) ::)
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swissballs haha.
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People love those hammer smiff incline presses, you can put six plates on each side and look like a real monster. it's a bullshit machine
That's an empty claim lacking any basis or explanation. Some of those machines are better than free weights.
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Seated calf raise..useless ?? ::) ::)
yeah no shit!!! what the fuck? this guy doesn't understand the anatomy of calves and how this works different muscles from standing or donkey raises....probably doesn't even work his calves like most guys.....
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That's an empty claim lacking any basis or explanation. Some of those machines are better than free weights.
Every gym I've worked out at has one and I've NEVER seen a guy press as much on a real incline press as he can on that machine. I could do 4 plates on each side and I know i'm not nearly that strong. it's a bullshit machine
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People love those hammer smiff incline presses, you can put six plates on each side and look like a real monster. it's a bullshit machine
Thats actually a jammer. They are mostly found in college and high school athletic training facilities. Its like doing an incline press while your standing. I don't care for them much.
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This one takes first prize ......... although I would love to see some hot chicks ride them !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Thats actually a jammer. They are mostly found in college and high school athletic training facilities. Its like doing an incline press while your standing. I don't care for them much.
oh shit! my bad. I didn't notice it was missing the seat. My cousin bought one for his house cause he's a big football kid.
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People love those hammer smiff incline presses, you can put six plates on each side and look like a real monster. it's a bullshit machine
why is it bullshit. i use it as a finishing exercise, gives me great pumps.
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Every gym I've worked out at has one and I've NEVER seen a guy press as much on a real incline press as he can on that machine. I could do 4 plates on each side and I know i'm not nearly that strong. it's a bullshit machine
He's absolutely right. NOBODY can press as much with free weights as they can on a hammer strength machine.
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Anything made by MATRIX.
(http://www.matrixfitness.com/images/products/strength/multistation.jpg)
http://www.matrixfitness.com/products/multistation/multistation.asp
Who the hell makes a pulldown machine without an adjustable seat???
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He's absolutely right. NOBODY can press as much with free weights as they can on a hammer strength machine.
The numbers may be bullshit, but the workout isn't. I like the ROM on many of the Hammer strength machines.
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I really like the hammer strenght lat pulldown and row machines, but i've never much liked their chest or shoulder press machines.
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He's absolutely right. NOBODY can press as much with free weights as they can on a hammer strength machine.
How is that a bad thing?
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why is it bullshit. i use it as a finishing exercise, gives me great pumps.
finishing set? OHHH I must be talking to a "bodybuilder" oh brother. Lift something heavy and repeat. There's no magic or gimmicks like you're talking about
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finishing set? OHHH I must be talking to a "bodybuilder" oh brother. Lift something heavy and repeat. There's no magic or gimmicks like you're talking about
Is that all it takes, well u must be huge then.
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I mean come on, what the hell is this ???
(http://www.grouprmt.com/photos/product7.jpg)
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finishing set? OHHH I must be talking to a "bodybuilder" oh brother. Lift something heavy and repeat. There's no magic or gimmicks like you're talking about
Thats called "powerlifting"......
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I mean come on, what the hell is this ???
(http://www.grouprmt.com/photos/product7.jpg)
What the fuck is that thing?
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What the fuck is that thing?
Only a very sick mind can invent those type of machines ..........
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What the fuck is that thing?
A bull riding machine ???
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Every gym I've worked out at has one and I've NEVER seen a guy press as much on a real incline press as he can on that machine. I could do 4 plates on each side and I know i'm not nearly that strong. it's a bullshit machine
You're basing that only on amount of weight lifted; nothing to do with the effectiveness of the machine.
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He's absolutely right. NOBODY can press as much with free weights as they can on a hammer strength machine.
HammerStrength machines are not intended to be used for HEAVY exercises. I figured you all knew that.
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why is it bullshit. i use it as a finishing exercise, gives me great pumps.
Any exercise that gives you great pumps can work in other contexts not just at the end of the workout.
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You're basing that only on amount of weight lifted; nothing to do with the effectiveness of the machine.
I think the point broadstreet is trying to make is that lots of people will skip doing the free weight exercises and use the hammer strength machines simply because it looks as if they are stronger because they can stack up more weight.
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I wish the horrors of this machine upon my mother in law .......
(http://www.fitness-paradise.fr/upload/fitness-stretching-machine.jpg)
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I think the point broadstreet is trying to make is that lots of people will skip doing the free weight exercises and use the hammer strength machines simply because it looks as if they are stronger because they can stack up more weight.
I know, but that's not the same as whether it works, which is more important.
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HammerStrength machines are not intended to be used for HEAVY exercises. I figured you all knew that.
Don't know what is meant by that. Can be used in any way.
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I know, but that's not the same as whether it works, which is more important.
what's the definition of "works" Chests look worse now then in the 70's when they didn't use that machine. I will say that I am VERY biased against machines due to them isolating the muscle almost completely where with free weights you work the surrounding muscles to some degree using free weights.
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what's the definition of "works" Chests look worse now then in the 70's when they didn't use that machine. I will say that I am VERY biased against machines due to them isolating the muscle almost completely where with free weights you work the surrounding muscles to some degree using free weights.
How their chests look is subjective and based on other factors, primarily genetics. Overall physiques have improved, in large part drugs but also the equipment. Vic Martinez loves some of the chest machines as one example. i've tried the same ones and agree; to me they're better than free weights.
That whole argument about working the surrounding muscles is only half a loaf. There are pros and cons, making it more a personal preference.
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How their chests look is subjective and based on other factors, primarily genetics. Overall physiques have improved, in large part drugs but also the equipment.
not considering bodyfat levels I'd say chests of the past looked way better then today. Viator, Arnold, Serge, Oliva, Columbu....
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Any exercise that gives you great pumps can work in other contexts not just at the end of the workout.
True
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not considering bodyfat levels I'd say chests of the past looked way better then today. Viator, Arnold, Serge, Oliva, Columbu....
Splitting hairs; again look at the overall musculature and factor in genetics. If in 20 years that's still true i'd agree; it's mainly genetics.
Since you brought up Oliva he said unequivocally that the machines he used were better for the most part. LOL
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what's the definition of "works" Chests look worse now then in the 70's when they didn't use that machine.
;D Are u crazy.......
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Don't know what is meant by that. Can be used in any way.
don't forget pumpster, Terry bowerman used to weigh 265 and bench 450. ::)
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Splitting hairs; again look at the overall musculature and factor in genetics. If in 20 years that's still true i'd agree; it's mainly genetics.
Since you brought up Oliva he said unequivocally that the machines he used were better for the most part. LOL
Is this based on that visa commercial? :)
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I think that the hammer strength machines are good, but I'm also a believer that the foundation of a good weight training program starts with free weight excersises. Again, I think lots of gym douchbags use the hammer strength machines solely for the purpose of looking stronger. However, I will use them from time to time if there is no one at the gym to spot me. The nice thing about the hammer strength machines, or most chest press machines for that matter, is that you can go really heavy without a spotter and not have to worry about killing yourself.
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Bottom line about hammerstrength is it magnifies gym farts to a very loud volume and you look stupid farting and pressing six plates
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Bottom line about hammerstrength is it magnifies gym farts to a very loud volume and you look stupid farting and pressing six plates
Whatever the case, like pumpster said, it still doesn't take away the fact that the machine works.
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I think that the hammer strength machines are good, but I'm also a believer that the foundation of a good weight training program starts with free weight excersises. Again, I think lots of gym douchbags use the hammer strength machines solely for the purpose of looking stronger. However, I will use them from time to time if there is no one at the gym to spot me. The nice thing about the hammer strength machines, or most chest press machines for that matter, is that you can go really heavy without a spotter and not have to worry about killing yourself.
Good but these are just your perceptions and preferences. :D A well-designed machine can be better, as in pullover machines that are clearly better than free weights.The best bicep workout i ever had was on a custom made leverage preacher bench in the gym Dickerson used to train in here in the late 70s. When was the last time your bis were actually sore from free weights other than after a layoff?
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guys with "pump" in their names "stick" together
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Well what about those 130 lbs mass monsters abusing the pec deck and cable crossover for 45 minutes doing countless reps and then showing off their chicken chests in front of the mirror .......... priceless ;D
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well, since we're talking about useless piece of shit people use, I might as well say this. The Ab belt shown below is in the list as the most useless piece of shit ever created. The FTC even investigated their claims and said that it's impossible to achieve such results and claimed it as false advertisement. Whoever came up with the idea of the Ab belt should be executed. to make things worst, you have tons of stupid fat asses outthere buying this shit and making somebody else rich.
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Why do people use these ............. ???
(http://www.yukon-fitness.com/Merchant2/graphics/00000001/SCM155wF.jpg)
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I worked at GNC like 5 years ago and I remember all the fucktards who use to come in and ask for the "ab energizer" ABSOLUTELY PATHETIC!!!. I wanted to tell those fat asses to go hook a set of jumper cables up to thier fat rolls and they'd be thin in no time.
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well, since we're talking about useless piece of shit people use, I might as well say this. The Ab belt shown below is in the list as the most useless piece of shit ever created. The FTC even investigated their claims and said that it's impossible to achieve such results and claimed it as false advertisement. Whoever came up with the idea of the Ab belt should be executed. to make things worst, you have tons of stupid fat asses outthere buying this shit and making somebody else rich.
Ok, not really something found in the gym....but definitely useless, and funny. :)
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Why do people use these ............. ???
(http://www.yukon-fitness.com/Merchant2/graphics/00000001/SCM155wF.jpg)
Seated calf raises work the SOLEUS muscle of the calf...That is the muscle below the GASTRONEMIUS that makes your calf look like it flairs out (downward pointing triangle shape) and tapers toward the ankle.
Learn what a piece of equipment is and what it works before you comment
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Seated calf raises work the SOLEUS muscle of the calf...That is the muscle below the GASTRONEMIUS that makes your calf look like it flairs out (downward pointing triangle shape) and tapers toward the ankle.
Learn what a piece of equipment is and what it works before you comment
True; it's not always essential but seated works the smaller, outer part of the calf more than standing.
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Seated calf raises work the SOLEUS muscle of the calf...That is the muscle below the GASTRONEMIUS that makes your calf look like it flairs out (downward pointing triangle shape) and tapers toward the ankle.
Learn what a piece of equipment is and what it works before you comment
Why should I want to do that if I can have 1 or 2 buddies on my back ?
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Why should I want to do that if I can have 1 or 2 buddies on my back ?
You may not want to do this exercise, but it does work. Nothing looks more gay than have a couple of men on your back while doing donkey calve rasies. If you're going to do donkey calve rasies at least do them the Arnold way and have a couple of hotties on you back.
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Why should I want to do that if I can have 1 or 2 buddies on my back ?
gay
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You may not want to do this exercise, but it does work. Nothing looks more gay than have a couple of men on your back while doing donkey calve rasies. If you're going to do donkey calve rasies at least do them the Arnold way and have a couple of hotties on you back.
Nobody will will notice ......... it says Men Only at the entrance
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Nobody will will notice ......... it says Men Only at the entrance
Try to keep the shorts up at the end of the set.
Hope this helps
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Try to keep the shorts up at the end of the set.
Hope this helps
the most useless equipment has to be bowflex..hahha and the funny thing is that the most useless person on earth(which is you) use that shit..
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the most useless equipment has to be bowflex..hahha and the funny thing is that the most useless person on earth(which is you) use that shit..
LOL, shadow made a funny! ;D
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hahahahahahahahahahahaha hahaha
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the most useless equipment has to be bowflex..hahha and the funny thing is that the most useless person on earth(which is you) use that shit..
At 160 lb. soaking wet I suggest that you blitz your 12s with curls using soup cans. :-\
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gay
Having a big sweaty dude on my back woth his d*ck uncomfortably close to my ass shouting "push harder" or "get one more in there" is something I'll pass on. You ever see how it looks wen they guy first gets on your back?...not pretty. I'll just do them with the donkey machine or the Smith and finish with seated calf raises. :)
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Didn't mean to post the pic 2x BTW ;D
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Having a big sweaty dude on my back woth his d*ck uncomfortably close to my ass shouting "push harder" or "get one more in there" is something I'll pass on. You ever see how it looks wen they guy first gets on your back?...not pretty. I'll just do them with the donkey machine or the Smith and finish with seated calf raises. :)
No doubt about it; it wasn't an accident that the producers had women climb onto Schwarzenegger's back, knowing what that would look like with dudes.
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No doubt about it; it wasn't an accident that the producers had women climb onto Schwarzenegger's back, knowing what that would look like with dudes.
But you could tell Arnold didn't like it, he would rather have Franco and Ed Corney climbing his back .......
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No doubt about it; it wasn't an accident that the producers had women climb onto Schwarzenegger's back, knowing what that would look like with dudes.
Yeah in the movie that is. However the Oak doesn't take it, he gives it because he is "numero uno" ;D
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At 160 lb. soaking wet I suggest that you blitz your 12s with curls using soup cans. :-\
another pic of an indian and then claiming its me...*yawn*..so hows the bow flexing going on? :D
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But you could tell Arnold didn't like it, he would rather have Franco and Ed Corney climbing his back .......
Soaking wet those guys weighed 170lbs max a piece. Better to get two fine ass chicks and get maybe 230-235lbs ;D
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swissballs haha.
You've never been in a gym.
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there's nothing wrong with hammer machines if you know what you're doing, if you just go into the gym and load plates on to look like a bad ass then pretty much everything is gonna be crap. If you work on constantly overloaading the muscle it really doesn't matter what equipment you use..hammer, icarian, precor..as long as you are consistantly looking to push more weight or get more reps than your last workout you should be fine. If a guy goes into the gym and puts 3 plates a side on the hammer incline..gets 6 reps for 3 sets and then 6 months later does the exact same thing then he's gonna fail no matter what equipment he uses but if he goes in and gets 6 reps with 3 plates and then 6 months later he's worked his way up to 4 plates and a quarter or something he'll be fine. it's not the equipment it's how you use it ;)
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Don't know what is meant by that. Can be used in any way.
What I mean is why go heavy with a hammer strength machine? If you are gonna go heavy, use the bench or db's which will give more benefit.
HS machines never were made to see how much weight you could load on em.
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Every gym I've worked out at has one and I've NEVER seen a guy press as much on a real incline press as he can on that machine. I could do 4 plates on each side and I know i'm not nearly that strong. it's a bullshit machine
So that makes it useless?
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What I mean is why go heavy with a hammer strength machine? If you are gonna go heavy, use the bench or db's which will give more benefit.
HS machines never were made to see how much weight you could load on em.
They can take huge poundages though; commonly used by football players for power moves. As far as which is more beneficial, it's not one or the other.
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Do personal trainers count as gym equipment?
If so, then personal trainers are the most useless peice of equipment in the gym....
Imagine if all the fat people found out that simple cardio and a sensible diet will get them thin, instead of doing incline dumbell presses with 25lbs shiney dumbells supersetted with jumping on a milk crate.
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Do personal trainers count as gym equipment?
If so, then personal trainers are the most useless peice of equipment in the gym....
Imagine if all the fat people found out that simple cardio and a sensible diet will get them thin, instead of doing incline dumbell presses with 25lbs shiney dumbells supersetted with jumping on a milk crate.
No idea where you're going with this..
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No idea where you're going with this..
he's saying that circuit training is gay.
the dumb exercises they make you do (half of them on the swiss-ball)
are what he's protesting.
*he's got a point, but you do need to firm up the muscles if you're planning to thin out, otherwise u get alot of flabby skin and shit.
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I always thought the most useless piece of equipment in the gym was the "Neck Machine".
Some people may like it though.
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The numbers may be bullshit, but the workout isn't. I like the ROM on many of the Hammer strength machines.
The Hammer back and lat machines are incredible for a full back workout. I do more Hammer then anything else.
They provide all the gain and not the joint pain. For my money it may not be as "hard core" but they work better overall.
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he's saying that circuit training is gay.
the dumb exercises they make you do (half of them on the swiss-ball)
are what he's protesting.
*he's got a point, but you do need to firm up the muscles if you're planning to thin out, otherwise u get alot of flabby skin and shit.
exactly! ;)
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I don't know if it works or not. But the idea of training glutes with a weight stack seems pretty excessive to me...
(http://www.cybexinternational.com/Products/Data/MainImages/11170.jpg)
http://www.cybexinternational.com/Products/displayproduct.aspx?id=11170
Other than Craig Titus - who I can see benefiting from the ability to clench his buttocks as tightly as possible - I can't imagine anyone needing glutes stronger than those that could be produced by leg weighted kickbacks.
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I don't know if it works or not. But the idea of training glutes with a weight stack seems pretty excessive to me...
Training glutes with freeweights (as a secondary benefit) when doing squats or stiff legged deads seems to be enough for most.
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I don't know if it works or not. But the idea of training glutes with a weight stack seems pretty excessive to me...
(http://www.cybexinternational.com/Products/Data/MainImages/11170.jpg)
http://www.cybexinternational.com/Products/displayproduct.aspx?id=11170
Other than Craig Titus - who I can see benefiting from the ability to clench his buttocks as tightly as possible - I can't imagine anyone needing glutes stronger than those that could be produced by leg weighted kickbacks.
LOL, the butt blaster. I see more men using this at the gym than women.
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LOL, the butt blaster. I see more men using this at the gym than women.
Well, for a particular segment of the gym membership, I suppose that's just advertising the goods. ;)
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fat chicks working their adductors with that seated groin machine ;D
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fat chicks working their adductors with that seated groin machine ;D
Robby Robinson actually said that was the most useless excercise of all
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The Hammer back and lat machines are incredible for a full back workout. I do more Hammer then anything else.
They provide all the gain and not the joint pain. For my money it may not be as "hard core" but they work better overall.
is that how you developed your pedophile back ::)
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The Hammer back and lat machines are incredible for a full back workout. I do more Hammer then anything else.
They provide all the gain and not the joint pain. For my money it may not be as "hard core" but they work better overall.
tell that to Jay Cutler.
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Anything made by MATRIX.
Who the hell makes a pulldown machine without an adjustable seat???
Funny you say that....I used to know the guy that made their cardio line.
Their strength has come a long way....but I personally wouldn't buy it
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Why should I want to do that if I can have 1 or 2 buddies on my back ?
haha are you serious? ;D
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haha are you serious? ;D
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hahahahahaha if Kevin Levrone offered to get on your back for donkeys you'd bend over so quick you'd come out of your shoes.
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hahahahahaha if Kevin Levrone offered to get on your back for donkeys you'd bend over so quick you'd come out of your shoes.
my calves would be too weak to handle a "beast" like you david ::)
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my calves would be too weak to handle a "beast" like you david ::)
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oh don't sell yourself short you little bottom twink, i'm sure you're used to having your 280 pound hairy top bears on top of you. ;D
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;D
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At a Worlds I used to go to, they had a very old Cybex chest press. You would get monster isolation on this little pin stacker that it would really hit the chest to the point of pain, when you tried to overdue it. It was also good for developing triceps using a cumbered bar between the handles for a close grip that could fry anyones trys. That thing must of been 20 years old and has to be the best machine for full chest development short of the barbell. Better when bad shoulders make free weight benching impossible.
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what is the hammer strength machine, i never used it. ???
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what is the hammer strength machine, i never used it. ???
what's a triple pickle?
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hahahahahaha if Kevin Levrone offered to get on your back for donkeys you'd bend over so quick you'd come out of your shoes.
BWAHAHAHAHA!!!!!
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I don't know if it works or not. But the idea of training glutes with a weight stack seems pretty excessive to me...
(http://www.cybexinternational.com/Products/Data/MainImages/11170.jpg)
yeah thats a butt blaster, i can see myself bangin out on that thing....whats the name of the machine though?
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yeah thats a butt blaster, i can see myself bangin out on that thing....whats the name of the machine though?
theres different variations of that machine, i know some refer to it as "kickback" or something like that.
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what's a triple pickle?
a handle
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yeah thats a butt blaster, i can see myself bangin out on that thing....whats the name of the machine though?
That is the CYBEX Eagle Glute.
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One more ride because it's so funny :D
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this thread is freakin hilarious ahhaahahahh! good posts!!!!
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that tall leg machine by Hammer is the worst and dumbest machine ever made in the US. but this arm machine Vince made for his gym in Australia is bad too
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Every gym I've worked out at has one and I've NEVER seen a guy press as much on a real incline press as he can on that machine. I could do 4 plates on each side and I know i'm not nearly that strong. it's a bullshit machine
It's not about how much weight you use, it's about how the machine or exercise works the muscle. I know your smarter then that, come on now...
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It's not about how much weight you use, it's about how the machine or exercise works the muscle. I know your smarter then that, come on now...
he made some stupid comment eariler about chest isoloation machines are bad because they target a specifc area while free weights are better because they work secondary muscle...at that point I realized that most likely he doesn't work out
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he made some stupid comment eariler about chest isoloation machines are bad because they target a specifc area while free weights are better because they work secondary muscle...at that point I realized that most likely he doesn't work out
So what your saying is he isn't smarter then I thought :-\ What a moron, and I have to live within 30min of him ;D
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Has got to be 35 lb plates...
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So what your saying is he isn't smarter then I thought :-\ What a moron, and I have to live within 30min of him ;D
I recant my statement. The arm blaster is the most useless
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It's not about how much weight you use, it's about how the machine or exercise works the muscle. I know your smarter then that, come on now...
most half wits know that... still, nothin funnier than the tools that come into the gym every night and spend an hour on bench with their buddies... they never grow a chest and disappear when they turn sideways..
I've always found those seated, weighted, twisting abducter machines to be fuckin useless
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most half wits know that... still, nothin funnier than the tools that come into the gym every night and spend an hour on bench with their buddies... they never grow a chest and disappear when they turn sideways..
I've always found those seated, weighted, twisting abducter machines to be fuckin useless
Yeah every gym has a few groups of guys like that, the best part is when you find out they have been goin to the gym for over 5-10years and used to lift more when they first started ;D
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I have to live within 30min of him ;D
where at?
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sooo true, and there's usually a rotor cuff injury or elbow sob story to go along with it...
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the neck harness is about the stupidest thing ever invented
(http://i.b5z.net/i/u/230085/i/Head_Harness_Neck_muscles_exercise_1111_ezr.jpg)
the funny thing is i only see fatasses use this thing
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the neck harness is about the stupidest thing ever invented
(http://i.b5z.net/i/u/230085/i/Head_Harness_Neck_muscles_exercise_1111_ezr.jpg)
the funny thing is i only see fatasses use this thing
Damn, that thing looks like it could break your neck! :o
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where at?
Pottstown.
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that tall leg machine by Hammer is the worst and dumbest machine ever made in the US. but this arm machine Vince made for his gym in Australia is bad too
The ROM....4 minute workout....$14,000 piece of shit
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Pottstown.
Was near there last night. Nearest I go to there daily is KOP mall
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Was near there last night. Nearest I go to there daily is KOP mall
Yeah they just shut down the Golds near there so allot of members have been comin up my way. I work at Golds Limerick which is owned by the same guy at Golds in Oaks you get a dual membership if you sign up.