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Dan and Bob just let the world know on Pro BBing Weekly that Silvio Samuel is now working with supertrainer Charles Glass. Brutally fast rebound.
Will Silvio be better/worse/same with Glass? Isn't Glass the master of training angles, while Milos is more of a ... well ... nutrient guy?
Is this a good move? Politically, and in the contest peaking sense?
www.CharlesGlassTraining .com
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JOJ hasn't brought up any weak part working with "Glass"
nobody made huge improvements using him
I think he is over-rated
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Food 1st. No amount of drugs will win you a show unless you know how to eat to get ripped.
Drugs 2nd. No amount or certain way of training will make you as big as the pros unless you use them. :'(
Training 3rd. A lot of ways to train some better than others for sure, but I see a lot of sloppy form and lazy training. I consider this last on the list.
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Food 1st. No amount of drugs will win you a show unless you know how to eat to get ripped.
Drugs 2nd. No amount or certain way of training will make you as big as the pros unless you use them. :'(
Training 3rd. A lot of ways to train some better than others for sure, but I see a lot of sloppy form and lazy training. I consider this last on the list.
In todays world of Professional BBing, that's about as honest and realistic as it gets, right there.
I concur.
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It doesn't matter for this year. I think he's competed in too many shows to show any big improvements for shows later this year.
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Food 1st. No amount of drugs will win you a show unless you know how to eat to get ripped.
Drugs 2nd. No amount or certain way of training will make you as big as the pros unless you use them. :'(
Training 3rd. A lot of ways to train some better than others for sure, but I see a lot of sloppy form and lazy training. I consider this last on the list.
golden post disgusted
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JOJ hasn't brought up any weak part working with "Glass"
nobody made huge improvements using him
I think he is over-rated
Didn't he help Gunther beat Ronnie?
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Didn't he help Gunther beat Ronnie?
I don't know since when he trains gunter
didn't so much for him at last year's O ;)
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Imo if it aint broke then dont fix it. Giant sets, special drinks, whatever the hell he was doing with Milos..... was working. And he made a pretty good name for himself in the IFBB. Hopefully he tookk notes.
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I don't know since when he trains gunter
didn't so much for him at last year's O ;)
Trained Gunter for the 04 Olympia, in which Gunter went from 13th or some long shot place- to 5th, and people had him winning the contest. It was the same year that Gunter beat Ronnie at the GNC Show of Strength.
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Trained Gunter for the 04 Olympia, in which Gunter went from 13th or some long shot place- to 5th, and people had him winning the contest. It was the same year that Gunter beat Ronnie at the GNC Show of Strength.
ding ding ding...we have a winner
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Trained Gunter for the 04 Olympia, in which Gunter went from 13th or some long shot place- to 5th, and people had him winning the contest. It was the same year that Gunter beat Ronnie at the GNC Show of Strength.
it has more something to do with Chad than with Glass
his conditionning was very good, his physique wasn't much different
speak on this
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www.CharlesGlassTraining.com
*sniff sniff*
I smell a 240 or Bust creation. ;D
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it has more something to do with Chad than with Glass
his conditionning was very good, his physique wasn't much different
speak on this
I don't know....Gunter had it the other way around
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JOJ hasn't brought up any weak part working with "Glass"
nobody made huge improvements using him
I think he is over-rated
I think johnny has brought up his arms a bit
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just a very small starter page. I'm intrigued by the Silvio thing though - he just up and moves THIS WEEK following everything last week? From one top guy to another. Will be a good smaller story to follow this year and next - his rise or decline without Meeelos.
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Milos knows how to work on Silvio like a Toyota mechanic on a camry. They had it down.
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the guy really didn't wait to rebound did he..lol
glass is a great trainer...but no where near Milos's level.
We shall see though, if he places lower then he did in his previous shows, it'll prove who's the better trainer.
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it has more something to do with Chad than with Glass
his conditionning was very good, his physique wasn't much different
speak on this
This is true. But you asked, and I told. Now where's my rice cake? ;D (TP fans will know what I mean).
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the guy really didn't wait to rebound did he..lol
glass is a great trainer...but no where near Milos's level.
We shall see though, if he places lower then he did in his previous shows, it'll prove who's the better trainer.
As we've seen, it's not always about the physique, but sometimes the politics
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in 2002, when gunter showed up looking the way he did, he did wonders for glass' business.
every since 02, no one has made tremendous improvements with glass.
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Isn't Glass the master of training angles, while Milos is more of a ... well ... nutrient guy?
At least Glass won't make Silvio train with 40 pounds weight for 2384 reps
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Im sure Milos will be happy that Silvio is in very good hands with Charles. Milos has said he wishes Silvio all the very best and that he will continue to do very well with what he taught him. I know that Silvio will never forget the help that Milos and his family gave him!
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BRUTAL REBOUND
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Glass is a legend for a reason.
Milos has tried to help some of the guys, this is very apparant. Its a dirty game , i guess.
Glad i have a real job, capping well fires. ;D
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Lifting weights isn't brain surgery.
There isn't much to teach. None of these guys should use trainers. They're idiots.
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Charles Glass is ABSOLUTELY GREAT TRAINER...and I had a pleasure being trained by Charles many years ago...
I have nothing but RESPECT and LOVE for Charles and I think he puts his heart and soul into each athlete (or client) he trains...
Silvio is ABSOLUTELY GREAT BODYBUILDER...and I had a pleasure training him and assisting him in many aspects of his preparation...
He made INCREDIBLE changes in very short time while training with me...and I hope he continues with the same pace...
I wish both of them nothing but GREAT SUCCESS and LUCK in upcoming shows...
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I still don't understand how ANYONE just stabs someone (who's been good to them) in the back........
But, it's refreshing to see your good attitude about it Milos, regardless of how it went down.
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JOJ hasn't brought up any weak part working with "Glass"
nobody made huge improvements using him
I think he is over-rated
IMO Milos has done better with his bbers, ie: Hide, Silvio up to now, flex lewis, Armin, Luke Wood etc.. They have all see big improvements since working with Milos
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Well as someone who trains at Gold's Venice on a regular basis, (and someone that has witnessed many of the workouts that Glass has supervised), I can say in all honesty that I have never witnessed anyone training under his tutulage using any kind of intensity, or putting forth any real effort.
In other words I feel that Glass is a gorified babysitter, and enables his clients to be lazy.
I have no doubt that he is quite knowledgeable...and if he wanted to push someone he could, but I have yet to see it. I get the impression that he is comfortable just having people go thru the motions. If people are paying you to just dick around, then I suppose it is easy to take their money.
On the flip side...I have witnessed workouts with Milos and Silvio, (in fact I was at Kolloseum about 2 1/2 weeks ago before their falling out), and milos was pushing him hard. It was even more impressive to see Milos hang in there set for set, rep for rep. Milos...like him or not...never dogs it, and If I had to pick between the two...would defintaly procure the services of his over glass....
Just my 2Cents...
M!
"When the populace becomes involved in thinking....All is lost!"
Voltarie
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Well as someone who trains at Gold's Venice on a regular basis, (and someone that has witnessed many of the workouts that Glass has supervised), I can say in all honesty that I have never witnessed anyone training under his tutulage using any kind of intensity, or putting forth any real effort.
In other words I feel that Glass is a gorified babysitter, and enables his clients to be lazy.
I have no doubt that he is quite knowledgeable...and if he wanted to push someone he could, but I have yet to see it. I get the impression that he is comfortable just having people go thru the motions. If people are paying you to just dick around, then I suppose it is easy to take their money.
On the flip side...I have witnessed workouts with Milos and Silvio, (in fact I was at Kolloseum about 2 1/2 weeks ago before their falling out), and milos was pushing him hard. It was even more impressive to see Milos hang in there set for set, rep for rep. Milos...like him or not...never dogs it, and If I had to pick between the two...would defintaly procure the services of his over glass....
Just my 2Cents...
M!
"When the populace becomes involved in thinking....All is lost!"
Voltarie
Good post!, iv seen Glass training Chris Comier at venice golds, and Gunter, he was just watching chris/gunter go through the motions. I think Glass was more into when he use to train Flex wheeler back in the early 90's. Even in the video's you can see him training set for set with flex, kinda like milos does now with his bbers.. Mabye his age is slowing him down? how old is Glass? Anyways they are both great trainers..
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Hah, that was an ugly newspaper scum style headline, 240
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Hah, that was an ugly newspaper scum style headline, 240
I was hoping someone here would appreciate it :)
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I was hoping someone here would appreciate it :)
Haha that was good. I need to pay attention.
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I just remember seeing BFTO 03 where his assistant is training Dennis James. just seems fishy to me...
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Well as someone who trains at Gold's Venice on a regular basis, (and someone that has witnessed many of the workouts that Glass has supervised), I can say in all honesty that I have never witnessed anyone training under his tutulage using any kind of intensity, or putting forth any real effort.
In other words I feel that Glass is a gorified babysitter, and enables his clients to be lazy.
I have no doubt that he is quite knowledgeable...and if he wanted to push someone he could, but I have yet to see it. I get the impression that he is comfortable just having people go thru the motions. If people are paying you to just dick around, then I suppose it is easy to take their money.
On the flip side...I have witnessed workouts with Milos and Silvio, (in fact I was at Kolloseum about 2 1/2 weeks ago before their falling out), and milos was pushing him hard. It was even more impressive to see Milos hang in there set for set, rep for rep. Milos...like him or not...never dogs it, and If I had to pick between the two...would defintaly procure the services of his over glass....
Just my 2Cents...
M!
"When the populace becomes involved in thinking....All is lost!"
Voltarie
I saw a video of some amature getting trained by Glass on leg day it was nothing but intense, the fucker couldn't even stand afterwards.
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Some athletes need to train SMARTER, Not HARDER...thats the point of using someone like Milos or Charles, to learn how to maximize their training to their specific needs...not just throw heavier weights around for the sake of doing it.
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Some athletes need to train SMARTER, Not HARDER...thats the point of using someone like Milos or Charles, to learn how to maximize their training to their specific needs...not just throw heavier weights around for the sake of doing it.
Who do you think is the better trainer Chick?
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Who do you think is the better trainer Chick?
Threre is no way to say who is the better trainer, as both have proven track records...the best trainer is the one that can show you something new, make your training more effecient, and keep your progress from stagnating...both seem to be excellent at all three.
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Threre is no way to say who is the better trainer, as both have proven track records...the best trainer is the one that can show you something new, make your training more effecient, and keep your progress from stagnating...both seem to be excellent at all three.
Do think Milos has a good understaning about signed contracts
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just wanted to tell you 240...the 'headline' of this thread is very clever
"silvio 'cuts' milos for glass"
awesome stuff!
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Glass did take Jenny Lyn to an Olympia victory, so if Silvo is looking to improve his glute/ham tie in then he's made the right choice ::)
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Trained Gunter for the 04 Olympia, in which Gunter went from 13th or some long shot place- to 5th, and people had him winning the contest. It was the same year that Gunter beat Ronnie at the GNC Show of Strength.
it was 02
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I realized that this morning.....surprised nobody jumped on it earlier.
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Some athletes need to train SMARTER, Not HARDER...thats the point of using someone like Milos or Charles, to learn how to maximize their training to their specific needs...not just throw heavier weights around for the sake of doing it.
Sadly this advice will never be taken by most simply because of ego. Some of you guys come on here and poke fun at Bob for using machines and make fun of Vince Taylor for trining with light weights, but these guys know how to stimulate muscle growth. Comes a point in your career that you just can't train any heavier so you have to learn how to train with just as much intensity, but with lighter weights.
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Sadly this advice will never be taken by most simply because of ego. Some of you guys come on here and poke fun at Bob for using machines and make fun of Vince Taylor for trining with light weights, but these guys know how to stimulate muscle growth. Comes a point in your career that you just can't train any heavier so you have to learn how to train with just as much intensity, but with lighter weights.
I could be mistaken but isn't there video evidence of you client squatting 600 plus pounds on a smith machine with 12 spotters?
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I could be mistaken but isn't there video evidence of you client squatting 600 plus pounds on a smith machine with 12 spotters?
hahhaa
are you suggesting Disgusted hasn't watched one of the greatest bodybuilding dvd's ever created: "king of pain"?
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Both Milos and Charles are great trainers, considered the best out here in Southern California by many. Charles has trained a great many competitors, including Gunter and Cormier, and is extremely busy, while Milos has trained a lot of people to including, the three top five competitors in the NY Pro, Dennis James, Dennis Wolf, Silvio Samuel. And don't forget the improvements he made to Hidetada for the Ironman, stunning many.
When we ate dinner with Silvio, Silvio, although he has now left Milos, said to be that he is always grateful and respects Milos for the tremendous advances and training that he brought him. With each new person, you learn a little more.
And Chick is right - many competitors have told me that too much weight does not sculpt a body. These are bodybuilders, not powerlifters.
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I could be mistaken but isn't there video evidence of you client squatting 600 plus pounds on a smith machine with 12 spotters?
You are correct ;D
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Both Milos and Charles are great trainers, considered the best out here in Southern California by many. Charles has trained a great many competitors, including Gunter and Cormier, and is extremely busy, while Milos has trained a lot of people to including, the three top five competitors in the NY Pro, Dennis James, Dennis Wolf, Silvio Samuel. And don't forget the improvements he made to Hidetada for the Ironman, stunning many.
When we ate dinner with Silvio, Silvio, although he has now left Milos, said to be that he is always grateful and respects Milos for the tremendous advances and training that he brought him. With each new person, you learn a little more.
And Chick is right - many competitors have told me that too much weight does not sculpt a body. These are bodybuilders, not powerlifters.
would you say that Silvio is grateful of Milos posting pictures of him on the internet in hopes to give him greater exposure to the bodybuilding community?
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Threre is no way to say who is the better trainer, as both have proven track records...the best trainer is the one that can show you something new, make your training more effecient, and keep your progress from stagnating...both seem to be excellent at all three.
Having said that, whom of those 2 you think could help you put some meat on your scrawny toothpicks, Bob? Serious question...
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Having said that, whom of those 2 you think could help you put some meat on your scrawny toothpicks, Bob? Serious question...
You mean the ones that have won me a USA and WORLD title?
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Well as someone who trains at Gold's Venice on a regular basis, (and someone that has witnessed many of the workouts that Glass has supervised), I can say in all honesty that I have never witnessed anyone training under his tutulage using any kind of intensity, or putting forth any real effort.
In other words I feel that Glass is a gorified babysitter, and enables his clients to be lazy.
I have no doubt that he is quite knowledgeable...and if he wanted to push someone he could, but I have yet to see it. I get the impression that he is comfortable just having people go thru the motions. If people are paying you to just dick around, then I suppose it is easy to take their money.
On the flip side...I have witnessed workouts with Milos and Silvio, (in fact I was at Kolloseum about 2 1/2 weeks ago before their falling out), and milos was pushing him hard. It was even more impressive to see Milos hang in there set for set, rep for rep. Milos...like him or not...never dogs it, and If I had to pick between the two...would defintaly procure the services of his over glass....
Just my 2Cents...
M!
"When the populace becomes involved in thinking....All is lost!"
Voltarie
confirmed you understand nothing about bobybuilding what so ever
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would you say that Silvio is grateful of Milos posting pictures of him on the internet in hopes to give him greater exposure to the bodybuilding community?
Well...is there any other reason someone like me would post pictures of bodybuilders on the internet but to give that bb greater exposure to the bodybuilding community?
Did anyone ever wondered WHY I even posted the pictures?
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Well...is there any other reason someone like me would post pictures of bodybuilders on the internet but to give that bb greater exposure to the bodybuilding community?
Did anyone ever wondered WHY I even posted the pictures?
that point has been lost Milos, move on
Shawn hates you and will do anything to damage your career
with that said, I don't think that it will matter if silvio trains with Milos or Glass or even by himself. The more interesting point is who will be handling his nutritional and "supplements" for the contest preps.
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would you say that Silvio is grateful of Milos posting pictures of him on the internet in hopes to give him greater exposure to the bodybuilding community?
There is no question that created some hype on a bodybuilding, as the case with Silvio, who I first saw at the Europa show in 2006 and was pretty amazed. But right before the Ironman, the pics were pretty great, and definately brought some hype into that show, which cause Silvio to be declared on of the underrated pros, which then brought the attention to various companies, who signed him.
Of course pictures and PR does the trick ... companies want competitors with a good attitude, good fan base, great physique and the ability to have their name known around the world. Silvio has managed to do that, and Milos in some way, did help.
Did anyone ever wondered WHY I even posted the pictures?
But yes, I am interested in why you would post those certain pictures, if Silvio asked you not to, and Robin also asked you not to?
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You mean the ones that have won me a USA and WORLD title?
::)
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Sorry Chick, but there is a difference between training "smarter", and training "lazier." Anyone that has hanged out in Venice long enough knows that Glass has an established clientele of lazy people. I'm not speaking of pro bodybuilders per say, (as Glass doesn't train pro's or amateurs all that often, usually just before a show), but most of the normal people that train with him.
Intensity comes in many different forms, and I am not saying that one needs to use a lot of weight necessarily, grunt at the top of their lungs during every set, curse at the bar, get 12 spotters, or any of the other dumb shit that "hardcore" bodybuilders often do, but one does have to give it 110% to achieve any tangible results. At least those that have decided to not go down the road of chemical enhancement.
IMO part of a personal trainers responsibility, (because lets face it most people that feel the need to hire a trainer are too lazy to try and struggle/push themselves on their own), is to motivate and push their clients. It would be a disservice to them not to. I have no doubt that Glass is a highly knowledgeable person, and I'm sure there have been instances that he actually pushed somebody thru a workout, but I have yet to see it.
M!
"I slept with faith and found a rotten corpse upon awakening. I drank and danced all night with doubt; and found her a virgin in the morning."
A-Crowley
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Sorry Chick, but there is a difference between training "smarter", and training "lazier." Anyone that has hanged out in Venice long enough knows that Glass has an established clientele of lazy people. I'm not speaking of pro bodybuilders per say, (as Glass doesn't train pro's or amateurs all that often, usually just before a show), but most of the normal people that train with him.
Intensity comes in many different forms, and I am not saying that one needs to use a lot of weight necessarily, grunt at the top of their lungs during every set, curse at the bar, get 12 spotters, or any of the other dumb shit that "hardcore" bodybuilders often do, but one does have to give it 110% to achieve any tangible results. At least those that have decided to not go down the road of chemical enhancement.
IMO part of a personal trainers responsibility, (because lets face it most people that feel the need to hire a trainer are too lazy to try and struggle/push themselves on their own), is to motivate and push their clients. It would be a disservice to them not to. I have no doubt that Glass is a highly knowledgeable person, and I'm sure there have been instances that he actually pushed somebody thru a workout, but I have yet to see it.
M!
"I slept with faith and found a rotten corpse upon awakening. I drank and danced all night with doubt; and found her a virgin in the morning."
A-Crowley
Maybe you should check out the "getting Cut with Glass" series we've had running for the past 4-5 weeks on bodybuilding.com.....che ck out the training of Adam Kirby, a natural bb, or check out the archived footage of Ms. Olympia Jenny Lynn training legs w/ Charles weeks prior to the Olympia...
Just because you've never seen it in the 2 hrs. you happen to be in the gym, doesn't mean it doesn't happen...I've seen both lazy bbers and guys busting their ass...
You can only lead a horse to water...even if you're Charles Glass.
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I was watching that Cut Chick with Glass thing until the skinny guy plugged nitrous oxide products in the middle of the workout ::)
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I was watching that Cut Chick with Glass thing until the skinny guy plugged nitrous oxide products in the middle of the workout ::)
Adam is a amateur bb without any affiliation or endorsement deal with any supp company...if he's pitching a product, it's only because he's using it.
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Sorry Chick, but there is a difference between training "smarter", and training "lazier." Anyone that has hanged out in Venice long enough knows that Glass has an established clientele of lazy people. I'm not speaking of pro bodybuilders per say, (as Glass doesn't train pro's or amateurs all that often, usually just before a show), but most of the normal people that train with him.
Intensity comes in many different forms, and I am not saying that one needs to use a lot of weight necessarily, grunt at the top of their lungs during every set, curse at the bar, get 12 spotters, or any of the other dumb shit that "hardcore" bodybuilders often do, but one does have to give it 110% to achieve any tangible results. At least those that have decided to not go down the road of chemical enhancement.
IMO part of a personal trainers responsibility, (because lets face it most people that feel the need to hire a trainer are too lazy to try and struggle/push themselves on their own), is to motivate and push their clients. It would be a disservice to them not to. I have no doubt that Glass is a highly knowledgeable person, and I'm sure there have been instances that he actually pushed somebody thru a workout, but I have yet to see it.
M!
"I slept with faith and found a rotten corpse upon awakening. I drank and danced all night with doubt; and found her a virgin in the morning."
A-Crowley
i share the same birthdate with A crowley :D
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Why don't pros just stick to their guns, forget the elite pro trainer route and just continue on with their own trial and error method of perfecting their physiques? It's how they turned pro in the first place. I can't think of one former or current Mr. O that used an elite trainer like Glass or Milos in their pro career. And if by chance some of them did they quickly discarded it because they realized they were better off on their own.
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It is funny....
You see Chick leading the brigade against heavy weight, and you see many people chime in about how bodybuilders need to train SMART, not hard, and not heavy....but let's take a look at how the top guys train..
Jay Cutler....seems to train fairly hard. 9plate T-bar rows 3 weeks out of the 2005 Olympia....500lb deadlifts 3 weeks out, as many as 40 sets for back....2 TIMES a day.
Ronnie Coleman....I seem to remember him using some heavy weight, fairly high volume, hitting everything twice a week, and certainly training hard.
Branch Warren just won a show....I don't see him training like a pussy under the guise that it is "better for him."
But, I DO see a lot of 'also rans' and never made its training pretty light and easy, under the belif that "it is trainins smarter.."
Chick certainly isn't going to be wowing anyone with his intensity....he's not winning the O any time soon.
Flex Wheeler wasn't a proponent of hard work....I think many could argue that he didn't come near his peak potential given his genetic superiority.
I notice a definite correlation between training hard, and size of a competitor.
And, let's be honest....that is really all you can control. A muscle gets bigger, or it doesn't get bigger. I know people like to talk about proportion, shape, blah, blah, blah...but in the end, a muscle grows or it doesn't.
Markus Ruhl
Jay Cutler
Ronnie Coleman
Art Atwood
Branch Warren
Dennis James
some of the largest competitors ever....all known for their hard work in the gym. Many guys on that list are frequently jabbed at for their "poor form," using too much weight, training everything 2x a week, not working "smarter."
Most of the smaller guys are known for their lack of work in the gym.
I dunno...maybe it's just me.
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It is funny....
You see Chick leading the brigade against heavy weight, and you see many people chime in about how bodybuilders need to train SMART, not hard, and not heavy....but let's take a look at how the top guys train..
Jay Cutler....seems to train fairly hard. 9plate T-bar rows 3 weeks out of the 2005 Olympia....500lb deadlifts 3 weeks out, as many as 40 sets for back....2 TIMES a day.
Ronnie Coleman....I seem to remember him using some heavy weight, fairly high volume, hitting everything twice a week, and certainly training hard.
Branch Warren just won a show....I don't see him training like a pussy under the guise that it is "better for him."
But, I DO see a lot of 'also rans' and never made its training pretty light and easy, under the belif that "it is trainins smarter.."
Chick certainly isn't going to be wowing anyone with his intensity....he's not winning the O any time soon.
Flex Wheeler wasn't a proponent of hard work....I think many could argue that he didn't come near his peak potential given his genetic superiority.
I notice a definite correlation between training hard, and size of a competitor.
And, let's be honest....that is really all you can control. A muscle gets bigger, or it doesn't get bigger. I know people like to talk about proportion, shape, blah, blah, blah...but in the end, a muscle grows or it doesn't.
Markus Ruhl
Jay Cutler
Ronnie Coleman
Art Atwood
Branch Warren
Dennis James
some of the largest competitors ever....all known for their hard work in the gym. Many guys on that list are frequently jabbed at for their "poor form," using too much weight, training everything 2x a week, not working "smarter."
Most of the smaller guys are known for their lack of work in the gym.
I dunno...maybe it's just me.
All the guys you mentioned-save Flex Wheeler- are also the same guys that are mentioned when GH Guts, fat blobs of muscle with no shape, or "people that looked like they've been slapped together with different body parts" are brought up.
Just because you have mountains of muscle piled on your frame, doesn't mean that you are training smarter, or harder than the next guy. That's a generalization, and who knows how those guys actually feel carrying around all that mass. They may not be able to make it up a flight of stairs, or even down. Their lower backs might be fucked from all the weight being supported endlessly or from injuring it during numerous different lifts. You never know.
I think what Chick was talking about, was not that heavy training is the ONLY way to go. Lee Haney, a mass monster in his day, used a 75lb DB for one arm rows.....but look at his back.
To each their own, but the same freaks we see on-stage, are also the same guys training techniques that will put your average person in traction.
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All the guys you mentioned-save Flex Wheeler- are also the same guys that are mentioned when GH Guts, fat blobs of muscle with no shape, or "people that looked like they've been slapped together with different body parts" are brought up.
Just because you have mountains of muscle piled on your frame, doesn't mean that you are training smarter, or harder than the next guy. That's a generalization, and who knows how those guys actually feel carrying around all that mass. They may not be able to make it up a flight of stairs, or even down. Their lower backs might be fucked from all the weight being supported endlessly or from injuring it during numerous different lifts. You never know.
I think what Chick was talking about, was not that heavy training is the ONLY way to go. Lee Haney, a mass monster in his day, used a 75lb DB for one arm rows.....but look at his back.
To each their own, but the same freaks we see on-stage, are also the same guys training techniques that will put your average person in traction.
What the fuck are you talking about?
I'm not asking if they're comfortable.
I'm really confused at the ignorance of your post...
I'm saying that the TOP BODYBUILDERS don't train like pussies.
But....the lower level bodybuilders often do.
THAT is what I'm saying....Chick may believe that training like a hypotensive 'bottom' is the best way to succeed, but based on evidence of who is WINNING SHOWS, that is wrong.
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it has more something to do with Chad than with Glass
his conditionning was very good, his physique wasn't much different
speak on this
wrong, Flex even did an article and showed pics form 2000 to 2002, the change in his physique was dramatic.
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What the fuck are you talking about?
I'm not asking if they're comfortable.
I'm really confused at the ignorance of your post...
I'm saying that the TOP BODYBUILDERS don't train like pussies.
But....the lower level bodybuilders often do.
THAT is what I'm saying....Chick may believe that training like a hypotensive 'bottom' is the best way to succeed, but based on evidence of who is WINNING SHOWS, that is wrong.
Try reading between the lines.....the only ignorance related to me, is you not comprehending what I wrote. And this is why the net is so "fun." ::)
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Flex Wheeler wasn't a proponent of hard work....I think many could argue that he didn't come near his peak potential given his genetic superiority.
At one point in his bodybuilding career, Flex Wheeler was the most admired and absolutely competitor that came close to perfection in his symmetry. Absolutely phenomenal, still do this day, one of the best. Once again sculpt your body for symmetry, not overtrain it.
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I think many could argue that he didn't come near his peak potential given his genetic superiority.
Why because you say so?
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Having said that, whom of those 2 you think could help you put some meat on your scrawny toothpicks, Bob? Serious question...
you're a moron, Bob has crazy quad size, some of the best sweep i've ever seen and awesome shape, post a picture of your monster legs.
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Why because you say so?
no, because many HAVE argued that statement.
I stated nothing false.
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Try reading between the lines.....the only ignorance related to me, is you not comprehending what I wrote. And this is why the net is so "fun." ::)
I made a statement.
You replied to MY statement something with no correlation to my statement.
It is not up to ME to read between the lines.
Do not post a reply, an attempt at correlation, that does not correlate.
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Dumb ass.
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Dumb ass.
Again...no correlation to my post.
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Opinions are like assholes....everyone has one, and they all stink. Especially yours.
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no, because many HAVE argued that statement.
I stated nothing false.
Many may have argued but it doesn't make it true.
Also, you mentioned Branch and the fact that he just won a show possibley because he trains heavy. Branch winning that show had nothing more to do with his training than it did him looking terrible for the Arnold Classic. I'm sure that he didn't all of the sudden increase his poundages for the AC to the NY Pro.
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Many may have argued but it doesn't make it true.
Also, you mentioned Branch and the fact that he just won a show possibley because he trains heavy. Branch winning that show had nothing more to do with his training than it did him looking terrible for the Arnold Classic. I'm sure that he didn't all of the sudden increase his poundages for the AC to the NY Pro.
I didn't say it was a true statement. I said that many have argued that Flex did not reach his potential. I implied nothing more than enough people felt that statement was true enough to create an 'argument' over. Nothing more.
Branch MAY not be in the position to win a show IF HE NAILS HIS CONDITIONG (which is what you're alluding too), had he spent the last 15 years training like a pussy.
Perhaps the reason SOME lower level pros are not in the position to win a show (IF THEY NAIL THEIR CONDITION so that point does not need to be re-made) is because of their lack of REAL WORK in the weight room.
There is a difference between ego lifting, and hard work.
Some people comfort themselves in the gym under the FALSE guise that taking it easy is actually better for them.
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(Photos courtesy of Madmax6's life in venice.,flexonline.com)
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After being updated on the Silvio/Milos story it is clear that Milos was using Silvio to promote himself. And saying he is his manager, trainer, nutritionist, promoter and god know what. Now that it shows up Milos is a fraud and did all of that controversy to keep his name alive in the sport; should bodybuilders still associate with him.
Just cause Milos thought that shawn ditched him everyone got upset. But when Milos sabotages some ones reputation and dries him out financially; there are people who actually still like him. I can’t get this point. Milos always tries to act like he is the smartest and the modest guy around, where in the real world he is a piece of shit that actually can’t get his game straight cause of all the bull shit he delivers to people.
What happened to his super drink and removing the IFBB vice president resolutions?
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go home... this is getting old and lame. we already had 100 threads about it.