Silvio cuts Milos; new weapon of choice is Glass

[CRIS]

Threre is no way to say who is the better trainer, as both have proven track records...the best trainer is the one that can show you something new, make your training more effecient, and keep your progress from stagnating...both seem to be excellent at all three.

Having said that, whom of those 2 you think could help you put some meat on your scrawny toothpicks, Bob? Serious question...

[Chick]

Having said that, whom of those 2 you think could help you put some meat on your scrawny toothpicks, Bob? Serious question...

You mean the ones that have won me a USA and WORLD title?

[muscularny]

Well as someone who trains at Gold's Venice on a regular basis, (and someone that has witnessed many of the workouts that Glass has supervised), I can say in all honesty that I have never witnessed anyone training under his tutulage using any kind of intensity, or putting forth any real effort.

In other words I feel that Glass is a gorified babysitter, and enables his clients to be lazy.

I have no doubt that he is quite knowledgeable...and if he wanted to push someone he could, but I have yet to see it. I get the impression that he is comfortable just having people go thru the motions. If people are paying you to just dick around, then I suppose it is easy to take their money.

On the flip side...I have witnessed workouts with Milos and Silvio, (in fact I was at Kolloseum about 2 1/2 weeks ago before their falling out), and milos was pushing him hard. It was even more impressive to see Milos hang in there set for set, rep for rep. Milos...like him or not...never dogs it, and If I had to pick between the two...would defintaly procure the services of his over glass....

Just my 2Cents...

M!

"When the populace becomes involved in thinking....All is lost!"
Voltarie

confirmed you understand nothing about bobybuilding what so ever

[Milos_Sarcev]

would you say that Silvio is grateful of Milos posting pictures of him on the internet in hopes to give him greater exposure to the bodybuilding community?

Well...is there any other reason someone like me would post pictures of bodybuilders on the internet but to give that bb greater exposure to the bodybuilding community?

Did anyone ever wondered WHY I even posted the pictures?

[SteelePegasus]

Well...is there any other reason someone like me would post pictures of bodybuilders on the internet but to give that bb greater exposure to the bodybuilding community?

Did anyone ever wondered WHY I even posted the pictures?

that point has been lost Milos, move on

Shawn hates you and will do anything to damage your career

with that said, I don't think that it will matter if silvio trains with Milos or Glass or even by himself. The more interesting point is who will be handling his nutritional and "supplements" for the contest preps.

[Ron]

would you say that Silvio is grateful of Milos posting pictures of him on the internet in hopes to give him greater exposure to the bodybuilding community?

There is no question that created some hype on a bodybuilding, as the case with Silvio, who I first saw at the Europa show in 2006 and was pretty amazed. But right before the Ironman, the pics were pretty great, and definately brought some hype into that show, which cause Silvio to be declared on of the underrated pros, which then brought the attention to various companies, who signed him.

Of course pictures and PR does the trick ... companies want competitors with a good attitude, good fan base, great physique and the ability to have their name known around the world.  Silvio has managed to do that, and Milos in some way, did help.

Did anyone ever wondered WHY I even posted the pictures?

But yes, I am interested in why you would post those certain pictures, if Silvio asked you not to, and Robin also asked you not to?

[Monster_Everything]

You mean the ones that have won me a USA and WORLD title?

[Topskin69]

Sorry Chick, but there is a difference between training "smarter", and training "lazier." Anyone that has hanged out in Venice long enough knows that Glass has an established clientele of lazy people. I'm not speaking of pro bodybuilders per say, (as Glass doesn't train pro's or amateurs all that often, usually just before a show), but most of the normal people that train with him.

Intensity comes in many different forms, and I am not saying that one needs to use a lot of weight necessarily, grunt at the top of their lungs during every set, curse at the bar, get 12 spotters, or any of the other dumb shit that "hardcore" bodybuilders often do, but one does have to give it 110% to achieve any tangible results. At least those that have decided to not go down the road of chemical enhancement.

IMO part of a personal trainers responsibility, (because lets face it most people that feel the need to hire a trainer are too lazy to try and struggle/push themselves on their own), is to motivate and push their clients. It would be a disservice to them not to. I have no doubt that Glass is a highly knowledgeable person, and I'm sure there have been instances that he actually pushed somebody thru a workout, but I have yet to see it. 

M!

"I slept with faith and found a rotten corpse upon awakening. I drank and danced all night with doubt; and found her a virgin in the morning."
A-Crowley

[Chick]

Sorry Chick, but there is a difference between training "smarter", and training "lazier." Anyone that has hanged out in Venice long enough knows that Glass has an established clientele of lazy people. I'm not speaking of pro bodybuilders per say, (as Glass doesn't train pro's or amateurs all that often, usually just before a show), but most of the normal people that train with him.

Intensity comes in many different forms, and I am not saying that one needs to use a lot of weight necessarily, grunt at the top of their lungs during every set, curse at the bar, get 12 spotters, or any of the other dumb shit that "hardcore" bodybuilders often do, but one does have to give it 110% to achieve any tangible results. At least those that have decided to not go down the road of chemical enhancement.

IMO part of a personal trainers responsibility, (because lets face it most people that feel the need to hire a trainer are too lazy to try and struggle/push themselves on their own), is to motivate and push their clients. It would be a disservice to them not to. I have no doubt that Glass is a highly knowledgeable person, and I'm sure there have been instances that he actually pushed somebody thru a workout, but I have yet to see it. 

M!

"I slept with faith and found a rotten corpse upon awakening. I drank and danced all night with doubt; and found her a virgin in the morning."
A-Crowley

Maybe you should check out the "getting Cut with Glass" series we've had running for the past 4-5 weeks on bodybuilding.com.....che ck out the training of Adam Kirby, a natural bb, or check out the archived footage of Ms. Olympia Jenny Lynn training legs w/ Charles weeks prior to the Olympia...

Just because you've never seen it in the 2 hrs. you happen to be in the gym, doesn't mean it doesn't happen...I've seen both lazy bbers and guys busting their ass...

You can only lead a horse to water...even if you're Charles Glass.

[Saxon]

I was watching that Cut Chick with Glass thing until the skinny guy plugged nitrous oxide products in the middle of the workout  

[Chick]

I was watching that Cut Chick with Glass thing until the skinny guy plugged nitrous oxide products in the middle of the workout  

Adam is a amateur bb without any affiliation or endorsement deal with any supp company...if he's pitching a product, it's only because he's using it.

[bigdumbbell]

Sorry Chick, but there is a difference between training "smarter", and training "lazier." Anyone that has hanged out in Venice long enough knows that Glass has an established clientele of lazy people. I'm not speaking of pro bodybuilders per say, (as Glass doesn't train pro's or amateurs all that often, usually just before a show), but most of the normal people that train with him.

Intensity comes in many different forms, and I am not saying that one needs to use a lot of weight necessarily, grunt at the top of their lungs during every set, curse at the bar, get 12 spotters, or any of the other dumb shit that "hardcore" bodybuilders often do, but one does have to give it 110% to achieve any tangible results. At least those that have decided to not go down the road of chemical enhancement.

IMO part of a personal trainers responsibility, (because lets face it most people that feel the need to hire a trainer are too lazy to try and struggle/push themselves on their own), is to motivate and push their clients. It would be a disservice to them not to. I have no doubt that Glass is a highly knowledgeable person, and I'm sure there have been instances that he actually pushed somebody thru a workout, but I have yet to see it. 

M!

"I slept with faith and found a rotten corpse upon awakening. I drank and danced all night with doubt; and found her a virgin in the morning."
A-Crowley

i share the same birthdate with A crowley

[Man of Steel]

Why don't pros just stick to their guns, forget the elite pro trainer route and just continue on with their own trial and error method of perfecting their physiques?   It's how they turned pro in the first place.   I can't think of one former or current Mr. O that used an elite trainer like Glass or Milos in their pro career.   And if by chance some of them did they quickly discarded it because they realized they were better off on their own. 

[I ETA PI]

It is funny....
You see Chick leading the brigade against heavy weight, and you see many people chime in about how bodybuilders need to train SMART, not hard, and not heavy....but let's take a look at how the top guys train..

Jay Cutler....seems to train fairly hard.  9plate T-bar rows 3 weeks out of the 2005 Olympia....500lb deadlifts 3 weeks out, as many as 40 sets for back....2 TIMES a day.

Ronnie Coleman....I seem to remember him using some heavy weight, fairly high volume, hitting everything twice a week, and certainly training hard.

Branch Warren just won a show....I don't see him training like a pussy under the guise that it is "better for him."



But, I DO see a lot of 'also rans' and never made its training pretty light and easy, under the belif that "it is trainins smarter.."

Chick certainly isn't going to be wowing anyone with his intensity....he's not winning the O any time soon.  

Flex Wheeler wasn't a proponent of hard work....I think many could argue that he didn't come near his peak potential given his genetic superiority.


I notice a definite correlation between training hard, and size of a competitor.  
And, let's be honest....that is really all you can control.  A muscle gets bigger, or it doesn't get bigger.  I know people like to talk about proportion, shape, blah, blah, blah...but in the end, a muscle grows or it doesn't.  

Markus Ruhl
Jay Cutler
Ronnie Coleman
Art Atwood
Branch Warren
Dennis James
some of the largest competitors ever....all known for their hard work in the gym.  Many guys on that list are frequently jabbed at for their "poor form," using too much weight, training everything 2x a week, not working "smarter."  

Most of the smaller guys are known for their lack of work in the gym.


I dunno...maybe it's just me.

[YoungBlood]

It is funny....
You see Chick leading the brigade against heavy weight, and you see many people chime in about how bodybuilders need to train SMART, not hard, and not heavy....but let's take a look at how the top guys train..

Jay Cutler....seems to train fairly hard.  9plate T-bar rows 3 weeks out of the 2005 Olympia....500lb deadlifts 3 weeks out, as many as 40 sets for back....2 TIMES a day.

Ronnie Coleman....I seem to remember him using some heavy weight, fairly high volume, hitting everything twice a week, and certainly training hard.

Branch Warren just won a show....I don't see him training like a pussy under the guise that it is "better for him."



But, I DO see a lot of 'also rans' and never made its training pretty light and easy, under the belif that "it is trainins smarter.."

Chick certainly isn't going to be wowing anyone with his intensity....he's not winning the O any time soon. 

Flex Wheeler wasn't a proponent of hard work....I think many could argue that he didn't come near his peak potential given his genetic superiority.


I notice a definite correlation between training hard, and size of a competitor. 
And, let's be honest....that is really all you can control.  A muscle gets bigger, or it doesn't get bigger.  I know people like to talk about proportion, shape, blah, blah, blah...but in the end, a muscle grows or it doesn't. 

Markus Ruhl
Jay Cutler
Ronnie Coleman
Art Atwood
Branch Warren
Dennis James
some of the largest competitors ever....all known for their hard work in the gym.  Many guys on that list are frequently jabbed at for their "poor form," using too much weight, training everything 2x a week, not working "smarter." 

Most of the smaller guys are known for their lack of work in the gym.


I dunno...maybe it's just me.

All the guys you mentioned-save Flex Wheeler- are also the same guys that are mentioned when GH Guts, fat blobs of muscle with no shape, or "people that looked like they've been slapped together with different body parts" are brought up.
Just because you have mountains of muscle piled on your frame, doesn't mean that you are training smarter, or harder than the next guy. That's a generalization, and who knows how those guys actually feel carrying around all that mass. They may not be able to make it up a flight of stairs, or even down. Their lower backs might be fucked from all the weight being supported endlessly or from injuring it during numerous different lifts. You never know.
I think what Chick was talking about, was not that heavy training is the ONLY way to go. Lee Haney, a mass monster in his day, used a 75lb DB for one arm rows.....but look at his back.
To each their own, but the same freaks we see on-stage, are also the same guys training techniques that will put your average person in traction. 

[I ETA PI]

All the guys you mentioned-save Flex Wheeler- are also the same guys that are mentioned when GH Guts, fat blobs of muscle with no shape, or "people that looked like they've been slapped together with different body parts" are brought up.
Just because you have mountains of muscle piled on your frame, doesn't mean that you are training smarter, or harder than the next guy. That's a generalization, and who knows how those guys actually feel carrying around all that mass. They may not be able to make it up a flight of stairs, or even down. Their lower backs might be fucked from all the weight being supported endlessly or from injuring it during numerous different lifts. You never know.
I think what Chick was talking about, was not that heavy training is the ONLY way to go. Lee Haney, a mass monster in his day, used a 75lb DB for one arm rows.....but look at his back.
To each their own, but the same freaks we see on-stage, are also the same guys training techniques that will put your average person in traction. 

What the fuck are you talking about? 
I'm not asking if they're comfortable. 
I'm really confused at the ignorance of your post...

I'm saying that the TOP BODYBUILDERS don't train like pussies. 
But....the lower level bodybuilders often do. 

THAT is what I'm saying....Chick may believe that training like a hypotensive 'bottom' is the best way to succeed, but based on evidence of who is WINNING SHOWS, that is wrong. 

[bigkid]

it has more something to do with Chad than with Glass

his conditionning was very good, his physique wasn't much different

speak on this

wrong, Flex even did an article and showed pics form 2000 to 2002, the change in his physique was dramatic.

[YoungBlood]

What the fuck are you talking about? 
I'm not asking if they're comfortable. 
I'm really confused at the ignorance of your post...

I'm saying that the TOP BODYBUILDERS don't train like pussies. 
But....the lower level bodybuilders often do. 

THAT is what I'm saying....Chick may believe that training like a hypotensive 'bottom' is the best way to succeed, but based on evidence of who is WINNING SHOWS, that is wrong. 

Try reading between the lines.....the only ignorance related to me, is you not comprehending what I wrote. And this is why the net is so "fun."

[Ron]

Flex Wheeler wasn't a proponent of hard work....I think many could argue that he didn't come near his peak potential given his genetic superiority.

At one point in his bodybuilding career, Flex Wheeler was the most admired and absolutely competitor that came close to perfection in his symmetry. Absolutely phenomenal, still do this day, one of the best. Once again sculpt your body for symmetry, not overtrain it.

[Disgusted]

I think many could argue that he didn't come near his peak potential given his genetic superiority.

Why because you say so?

[The Squadfather]

Having said that, whom of those 2 you think could help you put some meat on your scrawny toothpicks, Bob? Serious question...

you're a moron, Bob has crazy quad size, some of the best sweep i've ever seen and awesome shape, post a picture of your monster legs.

[I ETA PI]

Why because you say so?

no, because many HAVE argued that statement. 

I stated nothing false.

[I ETA PI]

Try reading between the lines.....the only ignorance related to me, is you not comprehending what I wrote. And this is why the net is so "fun."

I made a statement. 

You replied to MY statement something with no correlation to my statement.
It is not up to ME to read between the lines. 

Do not post a reply, an attempt at correlation, that does not correlate. 

[YoungBlood]

Dumb ass.

[I ETA PI]

Dumb ass.

Again...no correlation to my post.