I really hate to here this. Anyone who has met Kris know's he's a cool dude. I hope he get's well soon and can still live a normal life, I've seen what a stroke can do to people :'(
I really hate to here this. Anyone who has met Kris know's he's a cool dude. I hope he get's well soon and can still live a normal life, I've seen what a stroke can do to people :'(
Dude,
A stroke and a heart attack are two different things.
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Dude,
A stroke and a heart attack are two different things.
"1"
Exactly.
A problem with a heart valve, which is life threatening in itself, could in theory cause a clot which produces a stroke, but neither condition is a "heart attack".
I really hate to here this. Anyone who has met Kris know's he's a cool dude. I hope he get's well soon and can still live a normal life, I've seen what a stroke can do to people :'(PRAY for Kris!!
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Too bad to hear this. I guess this will do to Kris what Orville Burke's ordeal did to him.
man thats horrible...hope he has a full recovery
*waits until someone connects this with roids*
Apparently Kris had both. :-\
But somebody upstairs is looking out for him, so it's all good.
I really hate to here this. Anyone who has met Kris know's he's a cool dude. I hope he get's well soon and can still live a normal life, I've seen what a stroke can do to people :'(
are you serious man??? of course this is drug related. take away all the steroids GH, IGf-1 and all the other exotic goodies and this heart attack would have never happened! steroids are only safe at reasonable dosages. insulin,igf-1 and some of those other peptides forget about them. very dangerous in the long run.
Well, based on what you just posted (account by his partner), if Kris did indeed have a split in his aortic valve, it would then lead to an obstruction, in which blood would have trouble getting through the aorta, which would then lead to less blood flowing to the brain, which would then undoubtedly cause a stroke.
are you serious man??? of course this is drug related. take away all the steroids GH, IGf-1 and all the other exotic goodies and this heart attack would have never happened! steroids are only safe at reasonable dosages. insulin,igf-1 and some of those other peptides forget about them. very dangerous in the long run.
Somebody upstairs is looking out for him . . ."
If "somebody upstairs" was looking out for him it would make a little more sense for him to not have the heart attack to begin with. Damn my logical brain. :-X
Idiot shouldn`t have been messing around with so many steroids. If he would have been natural and never used, I can assure you this would have never happened.
Although I do think they should be legal for the simple fact that people should be able to whatever to themselves in the privacy of their own home, no matter how stupid or consequence of the action.
Also, this minimizes the gene pool prematurely which is good.
Hopefully he doesn`t die and learns not to use steroids. Only Science can save him. Nothing else.
http://www.musclemayhem.com/forums/showthread.php?t=48337
"Just in . . . .
"I am kris's partner at his personal training studio and unfortunately the rumor is true...Kris went down yesterday at the studio and had emergency heart surgery to repair a split in his aortic valve...they thought that he was gonna be paralyzed because he did have a pretty significant stroke but i just visited kris and he is moving all limbs and he is speaking and coherent. They gave him a 10% chance of surviving the surgery but the big guy pulled through and it truly is a miracle. If there are any questions post them on here and i will do my best to answer them as the information comes my way; thank you and God bless."
Somebody upstairs is looking out for him . . ."
If "somebody upstairs" was looking out for him it would make a little more sense for him to not have the heart attack to begin with. Damn my logical brain. :-X
Idiot shouldn`t have been messing around with so many steroids. If he would have been natural and never used, I can assure you this would have never happened.
Although I do think they should be legal for the simple fact that people should be able to whatever to themselves in the privacy of their own home, no matter how stupid or consequence of the action.
Also, this minimizes the gene pool prematurely which is good.
Hopefully he doesn`t die and learns not to use steroids. Only Science can save him. Nothing else.
Idiot shouldn`t have been messing around with so many steroids. If he would have been natural and never used, I can assure you this would have never happened.
Although I do think they should be legal for the simple fact that people should be able to whatever to themselves in the privacy of their own home, no matter how stupid or consequence of the action.
Also, this minimizes the gene pool prematurely which is good.
Hopefully he doesn`t die and learns not to use steroids. Only Science can save him. Nothing else.
steroids have nothing to do with science?
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Do you know for a fact it was steroids?
Man, thats too bad, my prayers go out to him and his family.
MATT.....someone upstairs WAS looking out for him, it makes alot of sense, a warning if you will.........sometimes it take an unfortunate situation like this to wake someone up. Sorry dude, but your edumacated logical brain is on the fritz. Keep your beliefs to yourself if you don't want responses like this!!
what kind of wakeup call is god giving 2 year olds when he gives them cancer??
Just wondering...do you consider the use of anabolic steriods to be a sin? If you have used them in the past, do you regret it and consider it a mistake?
Man, thats too bad, my prayers go out to him and his family.
MATT.....someone upstairs WAS looking out for him, it makes alot of sense, a warning if you will.........sometimes it take an unfortunate situation like this to wake someone up. Sorry dude, but your edumacated logical brain is on the fritz. Keep your beliefs to yourself if you don't want responses like this!!
When did Dim compete last?
This is scary. He's like 30, right?
People like "The Coach" are impossible to debate or discuss things with.
When did Dim compete last?
This is scary. He's like 30, right?
what kind of wakeup call is god giving 2 year olds when he gives them cancer??
"Just in . . . .
"I am kris's partner at his personal training studio and unfortunately the rumor is true...Kris went down yesterday at the studio and had emergency heart surgery to repair a split in his aortic valve...they thought that he was gonna be paralyzed because he did have a pretty significant stroke but i just visited kris and he is moving all limbs and he is speaking and coherent. They gave him a 10% chance of surviving the surgery but the big guy pulled through and it truly is a miracle. If there are any questions post them on here and i will do my best to answer them as the information comes my way; thank you and God bless."
Somebody upstairs is looking out for him . . ."
If "somebody upstairs" was looking out for him it would make a little more sense for him to not have the heart attack to begin with. Damn my logical brain. :-X
A valve rupture has nothing to do with age.... it's not a MI caused by a blocked coronary artery like standard "heart attacks" are.
what kind of wakeup call is god giving 2 year olds when he gives them cancer??
A valve rupture has nothing to do with age.... it's not a MI caused by a blocked coronary artery like standard "heart attacks" are.
There was a powerlifter a while back who died from a ruptured aorta from straining during a lift, can't remember his name right now.
I love your logic post about the real miracle about him NOT even having the attack, I have said the same kind of things and people get pissed off, but it makes sense to me.
I am however very sad for Kris Dim and his family at this time and thankful the man pulled thru. I wish him a long and healthy life with a speedy recovery. How old is Kris?
Howard
Goatboy has the answer. This is a genetic weakness in the valve Kim mustve had since birth. Ironic how Dim got all the physical genetics and none of the one's that would serve to keep him alive...........
I got a whole lot of tests done in the fall to check for genetic ailments that would cause something like this and brought up John Ritter and the technician working said that testing would discover weak valves. But he wasn't a specialist so I'm not 100% sure on that information.
Idiot shouldn`t have been messing around with so many steroids. If he would have been natural and never used, I can assure you this would have never happened.
Although I do think they should be legal for the simple fact that people should be able to whatever to themselves in the privacy of their own home, no matter how stupid or consequence of the action.
Also, this minimizes the gene pool prematurely which is good.
Hopefully he doesn`t die and learns not to use steroids. Only Science can save him. Nothing else.
Kris Dim's condition was genetic, and could have been picked up via a ECG or because of his muscle mass via trans esophageal examination..
That's what I figured...this leads me to believe Kris never had such a test performed. Why would any competitive bodybuilder not get a panel of testing done to look into stuff like this at least once?
That's what I figured...this leads me to believe Kris never had such a test performed. Why would any competitive bodybuilder not get a panel of testing done to look into stuff like this at least once?
Shut the fuck up you stupid asshole
he is done with bodybuilding
150-160lb within the next 3-4 months
end
*predisposition that was taken to the next level by hormones and most likley pain killers!
he is done with bodybuilding
150-160lb within the next 3-4 months
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*predisposition that was taken to the next level by hormones and most likley pain killers!
ofcourse i know him,,but thats not the point,,
the point is that you dont come back to bodybuilding,,,not naturally not clean and not on hormones after a heart failure and open heart surgery or any work that is done on your heart,,
his faith is sealed,,unless his wish is death
bodybuilding and lifting is over for him,,but its good hes alive
ofcourse i know him,,but thats not the point,,
the point is that you dont come back to bodybuilding,,,not naturally not clean and not on hormones after a heart failure and open heart surgery or any work that is done on your heart,,
his faith is sealed,,unless his wish is death
bodybuilding and lifting is over for him,,but its good hes alive
Just a hunch, but I bet you're the "glass is half empty" kind of guy
Also, this minimizes the gene pool prematurely which is good.
its not that i see the half empty of nothing,,its that if he want to live long time he should stop bodybuilding and lifting,,maybe exercise for fun but no more of the hardcore or even softcore for him,,agreed,and you have to remember the man has several kids to think about
look how fast matarazza dissapear off the radar,,,and matarazza used to be thie!! monster of all beasts,,
with dim it will be a lot faster,,
inother words,, his bodybuilding days are over and most likley no more lifting and in getting in the gym and squating 4 45 plates each side of the bar
it has nothing to do with seeing empty glassess,,it has a lot to do with seeing life
he will chose life over anything,,and so will any other sane person
its not that i see the half empty of nothing,,its that if he want to live long time he should stop bodybuilding and lifting,,maybe exercise for fun but no more of the hardcore or even softcore for him,,
his faith is sealed,,unless his wish is death
True Adonis is still mad because he didn't get a good physique with gear.
I hope other people pushing their bodies hard (on drugs or not) take this as a lesson. The human body has limits. I learnt my lesson a few years ago when I snapped my arm in an arm wrestle. :-Xyou think you have problems,i have been working out since i was 10 and seriously powerlifting since i was 13.and i have had a resting heartbeat of 125 per minute since i was born,and on top of that i am in a high stress job..................... .....i am completly f**ked :'( ;D
Guys i cannot believe some of the shit i just read!!!! Kris Dim is a mate of mine!!! Kris was given a 10% chance of pulling through the operation!!! meaning he had a 90% he would die!! The odds were massively against Kris!!! Kris is still in a very serious condtion and i read some post here about....WHAT HE WAS TALKING, IDIOT SHOULD HAVE NOT TAKEN SO MUCH, WHAT WAS HE ON, DRUGS, STERIODS, GH etc, etc.....!!! There are more posts about what Kris had a attack from than there is about actual sympathy for a guy who is a great business man, great father and just great human being!! Unbeleiveable!! the respect of you guys!!! >:( MAN who cares what it was that caused it for now!!! Lets just thank god or whoever that got him through this very near death experience!!! right now it does'nt matter what it was that caused it, just the fact that a great pro bodybuilder (who is just a gentleman) ALMOST DIED!!!
I just cannot believe the shit on the thread!!! true or untrue it does'nt matter!! Kris is in intensive care right now and people have to hide to post about there expert opinions as how he had this heart attack. Not saying you are wrong, but FUCK ME!! how the timing of some of you people!!! For God sake have some heart!!!
learn how to read around the Track Luke bro
Bro when i was typing my post your post was not up! I did just read your support post but at the time it was not there when i was reading the others!!
you think you have problems,i have been working out since i was 10 and seriously powerlifting since i was 13.and i have had a resting heartbeat of 125 per minute since i was born,and on top of that i am in a high stress job..................... .....i am completly f**ked :'( ;D
i dont care though,you only live once.and i do not have any kids to worry about,but if i did i wouldnt have that mentality either
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Shit, poor bugger. I know how you must feel.. That's how I was when I used to be on the clen. :-Xhaha whats funny is i am taking ephedra right now,and my heartbeat has actually dropped a little .i associate that to the extra cardio i have doing
you think you have problems,i have been working out since i was 10 and seriously powerlifting since i was 13.and i have had a resting heartbeat of 125 per minute since i was born,and on top of that i am in a high stress job..................... .....i am completly f**ked :'( ;D
i dont care though,you only live once.and i do not have any kids to worry about,but if i did i wouldnt have that mentality either
bench
haha whats funny is i am taking ephedra right now,and my heartbeat has actually dropped a little .i associate that to the extra cardio i have doing
bench
Guys i cannot believe some of the shit i just read!!!! Kris Dim is a mate of mine!!! Kris was given a 10% chance of pulling through the operation!!! meaning he had a 90% he would die!! The odds were massively against Kris!!! Kris is still in a very serious condtion and i read some post here about....WHAT HE WAS TALKING, IDIOT SHOULD HAVE NOT TAKEN SO MUCH, WHAT WAS HE ON, DRUGS, STERIODS, GH etc, etc.....!!! There are more posts about what Kris had a attack from than there is about actual sympathy for a guy who is a great business man, great father and just great human being!! Unbeleiveable!! the respect of you guys!!! >:( MAN who cares what it was that caused it for now!!! Lets just thank god or whoever that got him through this very near death experience!!! right now it does'nt matter what it was that caused it, just the fact that a great pro bodybuilder ALMOST DIED!!!
I just cannot believe the shit on the thread!!! true or untrue it does'nt matter!! Kris is in intensive care right now and people have to hide to post about there expert opinions as how he had this heart attack. FUCK ME!! hows the timing of some of you people!!! For God sake have some heart!!!
ofcourse i know him,,but thats not the point,,
the point is that you dont come back to bodybuilding,,,not naturally not clean and not on hormones after a heart failure and open heart surgery or any work that is done on your heart,,
his faith is sealed,,unless his wish is death
bodybuilding and lifting is over for him,,but its good hes alive
A valve rupture has nothing to do with age.... it's not a MI caused by a blocked coronary artery like standard "heart attacks" are.
SOrry to hear about Kris. I met him when he came to Gold's here when I owned it in 2003 or 2004 just before the Olympia. He went body surfing and fucked himself up on the lava rock. Also, why doesn't the IFBB make EVERY competitor take a complete physical before the show. Like in Boxing or even the UFC. They have to get there shit checked out. Note a drug test but a real physical. I really think if the IFBB cared about their members this would be simple to do. Chic, this something you can work on. Since you are there to look out for their well-being, tell the IFBB to start implementing physicals before the contests. Make sure the members you represent are healthy and can compete. Or as bad as it might sound, your membership representation is going to be less and less each year.
Or just stop them doing copious amounts of drugs. You can't really have it both ways; by conducting a physical on the competitors, you might stop them competing, but you won't stop them abusing.
Only Science can save him. Nothing else.
When I think about it. Chic insists on trying to make it sound like BB is a sport. Well here is something that shows it isn't real sport. EVERY SPORT conducts physicals. EVERY ONE of them. BB doesn't do it. Either does powerlifting. It seems like the two activity that require the most use of roids does not perform physicals. Odd. If someone is taking roids and his heart is bad or liver is bad the he shouldn't be competing. He should be banned from competing. This way he would more than likely stop since there would be no reason to continue to take them.
SOrry to hear about Kris. I met him when he came to Gold's here when I owned it in 2003 or 2004 just before the Olympia. He went body surfing and fucked himself up on the lava rock. Also, why doesn't the IFBB make EVERY competitor take a complete physical before the show. Like in Boxing or even the UFC. They have to get there shit checked out. Note a drug test but a real physical. I really think if the IFBB cared about their members this would be simple to do. Chic, this something you can work on. Since you are there to look out for their well-being, tell the IFBB to start implementing physicals before the contests. Make sure the members you represent are healthy and can compete. Or as bad as it might sound, your membership representation is going to be less and less each year.
are you serious man??? of course this is drug related. take away all the steroids GH, IGf-1 and all the other exotic goodies and this heart attack would have never happened! steroids are only safe at reasonable dosages. insulin,igf-1 and some of those other peptides forget about them. very dangerous in the long run.Could not have put it better myself my Doctor told me in 15 to 20 years i will have a massive heart attack a stroke and die if i did not pull my head in with all the drugs i was taking.
Could not have put it better myself my Doctor told me in 15 to 20 years i will have a massive heart attack a stroke and die if i did not pull my head in with all the drugs i was taking.
By the way i am a pipe smoking tobacco man so i will probaly have these problems in the future and drop dead anyway Fuck nicotine and dope.
I HOPE it is not true.
I rec'd a TEXT at exactly 8:07 pm last night from a caller. Said: "Kris had a massive heart attack and was having open heart surgery. PLEASE PRAY."
The number looked very familiar and I called it immediately. There was NO name on the voice mail...
I called Luke immediately to see if he had heard and of course he said to keep it on the down low, but, it is out, obviously.
I called the number again today and no answer.
As I said, I HOPE it is not true, but I don't usually get prank calls like this, so I prayed and prayed.
I think we all should pray for Kris in case it is true.
Guys i cannot believe some of the shit i just read!!!! Kris Dim is a mate of mine!!! Kris was given a 10% chance of pulling through the operation!!! meaning he had a 90% he would die!! The odds were massively against Kris!!! Kris is still in a very serious condtion and i read some post here about....WHAT HE WAS TALKING, IDIOT SHOULD HAVE NOT TAKEN SO MUCH, WHAT WAS HE ON, DRUGS, STERIODS, GH etc, etc.....!!! There are more posts about what Kris had a attack from than there is about actual sympathy for a guy who is a great business man, great father and just great human being!! Unbeleiveable!! the respect of you guys!!! >:( MAN who cares what it was that caused it for now!!! Lets just thank god or whoever that got him through this very near death experience!!! right now it does'nt matter what it was that caused it, just the fact that a great pro bodybuilder ALMOST DIED!!!
I just cannot believe the shit on the thread!!! true or untrue it does'nt matter!! Kris is in intensive care right now and people have to hide to post about there expert opinions as how he had this heart attack. FUCK ME!! hows the timing of some of you people!!! For God sake have some heart!!!
some are religious and some are not, just respect peoples beliefsI don`t respect belief without evidence. Sorry.
some are religious and some are not, just respect peoples beliefs
When I think about it. Chic insists on trying to make it sound like BB is a sport. Well here is something that shows it isn't real sport. EVERY SPORT conducts physicals. EVERY ONE of them. BB doesn't do it. Either does powerlifting. It seems like the two activity that require the most use of roids does not perform physicals. Odd. If someone is taking roids and his heart is bad or liver is bad the he shouldn't be competing. He should be banned from competing. This way he would more than likely stop since there would be no reason to continue to take them.
i said respect the PEOPLE not the religion. you dont come to a hospital where people are praying with a hate speech on religion do you?
this isnt the time, or the place.
im outta this thread.
So Keith you think Golf, Chess and others are not sports?
I shoudl have said physical sports. And yes I do think the PGA requires physicals. I am pretty sure Chess and darts and some others don't.
Actually Don Youngblood went through angioplasty and was still planning on competing again. Not to mention he was diabetic and had a sleep apnea. Flex Wheeler, Tom Prince, and Don Long all came back after kidney ailments, so never say never.
i still don't follow you...maybe I'm not as smart as you (seriously lol) why is Bodybuilding not physical? Are you talking about the Competition part? Or the to get competition part?
I heard that posing is extremely physical as in tiring (but you are the last person I have to tell that)
So can you rephrase or elaborate your previous post please?
Also, this minimizes the gene pool prematurely which is good.
Exactly.
A problem with a heart valve, which is life threatening in itself, could in theory cause a clot which produces a stroke, but neither condition is a "heart attack".
MELTDOWN.
The idiot shouldn`t have been over-roiding. Perhaps if you really cared for him, you would have told him to stop thus preventing the inevitable. You didn`t. Perhaps you and the rest of the meatheads need to do your research on all the harmful drugs you are abusing. Might even save YOUR life one day. Hope this helps.
When will these guys learn that competitive BB is F'n UNHEALTHY?im sure they all know the risks. some people will do anything to win..
nahuh my friend,,To me it looked like Don Long was at least 90% of his previous size the last time he was on stage. Still on a lot of juice. Very big.
heart attack/failure at early to mid 30s is death written in stone if you come back to bodybuilding,,the fact that a young strong man at mid 30s get heart attack by itself is a big red light,,,no one can return from this and a life change should and will be made inorder to survive the rest of his life,,which i hope will be long and good since the guy is a good person that has family who loves him,,
but to compare this with thomas or long is to compare apples and oranges although! both stopped competetive bodybuilding and thomas look like walking dead man and i doubt will get to age 70 but maybe who knows,,
long is a diff story and naturally a freak unlike dim or thomas prince,,but even he,,his health was going down fast and today he is a shadow of what he was in 1997,,he will never be able to get even within 60% to what he was in the mid to end 90s which was absoulutrly top 5 bodybuilders in the world when it comes to sheer muscle mass
never the less,, i wish kim all the best and hope he pulls out of it and he lives rich life and get to be 120
im sure they all know the risks. some people will do anything to win..
MELTDOWN.
The idiot shouldn`t have been over-roiding. Perhaps if you really cared for him, you would have told him to stop thus preventing the inevitable. You didn`t. Perhaps you and the rest of the meatheads need to do your research on all the harmful drugs you are abusing. Might even save YOUR life one day. Hope this helps.
Guys i cannot believe some of the shit i just read!!!! Kris Dim is a mate of mine!!! Kris was given a 10% chance of pulling through the operation!!! meaning he had a 90% he would die!! The odds were massively against Kris!!! Kris is still in a very serious condtion and i read some post here about....WHAT HE WAS TALKING, IDIOT SHOULD HAVE NOT TAKEN SO MUCH, WHAT WAS HE ON, DRUGS, STERIODS, GH etc, etc.....!!! There are more posts about what Kris had a attack from than there is about actual sympathy for a guy who is a great business man, great father and just great human being!! Unbeleiveable!! the respect of you guys!!! >:( MAN who cares what it was that caused it for now!!! Lets just thank god or whoever that got him through this very near death experience!!! right now it does'nt matter what it was that caused it, just the fact that a great pro bodybuilder ALMOST DIED!!!
I just cannot believe the shit on the thread!!! true or untrue it does'nt matter!! Kris is in intensive care right now and people have to hide to post about there expert opinions as how he had this heart attack. FUCK ME!! hows the timing of some of you people!!! For God sake have some heart!!!
I don`t respect belief without evidence. Sorry.
If he had no symptoms or suspicion (which he probably didnt) that he's got a heart disorder (or defective aortic valve) there'd be no reason to have it fully checked out..Kris being a bodybuilder this type of abnormality would not have be picked up by a normal ECG but the other test I mentioned the "TOE", that would have found it but that's an extensive test that wouldn't be used unless there was a reason.
Dude, you're a walking heart attack.....a RHR of 125?? What the hell are you doing (or not) to yourself??
Dude, you're a walking heart attack.....a RHR of 125?? What the hell are you doing (or not) to yourself??
MELTDOWN.
The idiot shouldn`t have been over-roiding. Perhaps if you really cared for him, you would have told him to stop thus preventing the inevitable. You didn`t. Perhaps you and the rest of the meatheads need to do your research on all the harmful drugs you are abusing. Might even save YOUR life one day. Hope this helps.
We have what, 40 or 50 million Americans without health insurance?
that's 1/6 the population.
many pro Bbers fall into that 1/6, especially when you remember that many don't work 9 to 5 and many engage in destructive behavior. If you asked many pros if they'd like to get a series of checkups, or a shipment of ___, and they got bills to pay and mouths to feed, most will take the short term success and figure they'll worry about that medical stuff *next year*.
Guys i cannot believe some of the shit i just read!!!! Kris Dim is a mate of mine!!! Kris was given a 10% chance of pulling through the operation!!! meaning he had a 90% he would die!! The odds were massively against Kris!!! Kris is still in a very serious condtion and i read some post here about....WHAT HE WAS TALKING, IDIOT SHOULD HAVE NOT TAKEN SO MUCH, WHAT WAS HE ON, DRUGS, STERIODS, GH etc, etc.....!!! There are more posts about what Kris had a attack from than there is about actual sympathy for a guy who is a great business man, great father and just great human being!! Unbeleiveable!! the respect of you guys!!! >:( MAN who cares what it was that caused it for now!!! Lets just thank god or whoever that got him through this very near death experience!!! right now it does'nt matter what it was that caused it, just the fact that a great pro bodybuilder ALMOST DIED!!!
I just cannot believe the shit on the thread!!! true or untrue it does'nt matter!! Kris is in intensive care right now and people have to hide to post about there expert opinions as how he had this heart attack. FUCK ME!! hows the timing of some of you people!!! For God sake have some heart!!!
Dude, you're a walking heart attack.....a RHR of 125?? What the hell are you doing (or not) to yourself??it is a family conditions on my dads side,my grandmothers is 130 and she is 84 and never has had any problems,my dads is 125 and he is 54 and hasn't had anything happen to him,and my sister has us all beat with 135 and nothings wrong with hers either.
Lets face it, all competitive BBers know they potentially put their lives on the line BEFORE they start their insane drug stacking.agreed,i am not saying thats what happened to kris because i wouldnt make that assumption about someone i dont know,and i have met him a few times and he was a very polite guy.but people like tom prince and flex wheeler knew what they were doing and tried to lie about it and make people feel sorry for them,those guys can go fuck themselfs
Reminds me of a guy putting a loaded gun to his head, pulling the trigger, and then his friends ask "how did this happen"?
I feel sorry for NO competitive BBer. They do it to themselves........period .
agreed,i am not saying thats what happened to kris because i wouldnt make that assumption about someone i dont know,and i have met him a few times and he was a very polite guy.but people like tom prince and flex wheeler knew what they were doing and tried to lie about it and make people feel sorry for them,those guys can go fuck themselfs
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Best wishes to Kris and his family.
Luke: It's natural that most people speculate if his illness is a result or partial result of BB drugs (which is very likely). It's one thing to show sympathy, but to avoid discussing the reality of what probably happened is stupid. This is a chatboard and not the hall in the hospital with 50 of the people closest to Kris. Even though you are upset at this point, you are basically playing with your life in the same way as most other IFBB pros are doing, and even if you want to live in a dream where BB drugs does not cause harm to the body, you have to accept that other people behave logically and rationally. Sugarcoating it might be the best thing for the people closest to him at this point, but at a respected BB board with both non religious and religious people not close to him in any way, discussing if this was a result of his own choices to use BB drugs is fine, even if every post is speculation and no post is "get well wishes", even in a thread like this.
As a matter of fact, criticizing people that are discussing reality is being an asshole when you're at a place like this, whatever your emotional state is at the moment ::)
SOrry to hear about Kris. I met him when he came to Gold's here when I owned it in 2003 or 2004 just before the Olympia. He went body surfing and fucked himself up on the lava rock. Also, why doesn't the IFBB make EVERY competitor take a complete physical before the show. Like in Boxing or even the UFC. They have to get there shit checked out. Note a drug test but a real physical. I really think if the IFBB cared about their members this would be simple to do. Chic, this something you can work on. Since you are there to look out for their well-being, tell the IFBB to start implementing physicals before the contests. Make sure the members you represent are healthy and can compete. Or as bad as it might sound, your membership representation is going to be less and less each year.
Might be nice if the parent organiztion did something with the 'dues' collected and provide an annual medical exam to all the professionals. Oh, some other organization is trying to do that.
Why is drug free BBing always out of the question? If the IFBB really wanted to be drug free, they could, which would probably attract a more mainstream audience. Even as a longtime lifter, I have great difficulty embracing the Professional "sport" of BBing.if they did ban steroids the IFBB bb'ers would just go to another organisation so its really no point in it...
To pinpoint it on steroids is assuming a bit too much at this point. Could the steroids have caused his cardiac muscle to possibly grow too large to the point that his right ventricle ended up pumping out blood too forcefully, which would have then caused his aortic valve to malfunction (a'la rupture)?
and nattys shows ae not interesting for most bb fans..
Not as interesting.......but much healthier.
But when Zane competed, they used Gear, but NOT to the insane levels of today.
Insulin, AAS, directics, HGH, Clen, Synthol, etc etc etc
COMPLETE MADNESS!!
Agreed, the doses that were used back then would have been considered almost HRT now.
some are religious and some are not, just respect peoples beliefs
Best post of yours since I can remember.You can have the belief all you want, don`t expect me to respect it if it is glaringly false and without any kind of shred of evidence.
Best wishes to Kris and his.
You can have the belief all you want, don`t expect me to respect it if it is glaringly false and without any kind of shred of evidence.
Why should I or anyone?
Not as interesting.......but much healthier.How the hell would you enforce bodybuilding where there were limits to how much gear you would be allowed to use? Impossible! Think for a minute.
But when Zane competed, they used Gear, but NOT to the insane levels of today.
Insulin, AAS, directics, HGH, Clen, Synthol, etc etc etc
COMPLETE MADNESS!!
Who cares if it was from this or that. Man some of the disrespect
that goes on here. Someone almost died!!!!! >:(
You can have the belief all you want, don`t expect me to respect it if it is glaringly false and without any kind of shred of evidence.
Why should I or anyone?
Maybe you should read another of Bluto's posts.
He said you can respect the person (as a human being) without respecting the religion.
Anyways, whatever you like, I hope your molecular biology reading is going well.
Most of the religious nuts can't handle the objective posts here regarding the cause/effect relationship between the drugs and the medical incident. They disrespect the people discussing the rational side behind this thing, so, TA's so called "disrespect" is nothing compared to these nutcases like Luke Wood and "Iraclese". :D
To me it looked like Don Long was at least 90% of his previous size the last time he was on stage. Still on a lot of juice. Very big.
And why do you say painkillers may have contributed? To me it makes more sense that hardcore stimulants were involved.
I understand what you mean, and I guess my original point was that I thought Bluto really said something pretty fairly. I don't feel like looking for the post, I am lazy today I guess.
He said something about respecting people and if someone wants to say "Pray for Kris Dim", what the hell should that mean to anyone who doesn't believe? I mean seriously is the phrase enough of a threat that something has to be said at all?
It sure won't hurt Kris and as a matter of fact, as Adonis is so fond of looking for "papers", it has been demonstrated that in some cases, cases of illness have been improved through prayer. Now that may be completely chemical and if we all got together we could probably come up with some reasoning regarding it and medicalize it. Irregardless, it has been seen to help and if he doesn't believe, well, who cares?
Personally I could care less what others believe in as long as they aren't hurting others while doing it.
Man, thats too bad, my prayers go out to him and his family.
MATT.....someone upstairs WAS looking out for him, it makes alot of sense, a warning if you will.........sometimes it take an unfortunate situation like this to wake someone up. Sorry dude, but your edumacated logical brain is on the fritz. Keep your beliefs to yourself if you don't want responses like this!!
With all due respect to the many opinions stated, there is no telling what could have caused the rupture of Dim's aortic valve. To pinpoint it on steroids is assuming a bit too much at this point. Could the steroids have caused his cardiac muscle to possibly grow too large to the point that his right ventricle ended up pumping out blood too forcefully, which would have then caused his aortic valve to malfunction (a'la rupture)? Maybe, but moreover this type of accidents occur more often due to blunt trauma via automobile accidents, surgical mishaps and sometimes even congenital heart defects. I think that before we all assume that steroids was the cause, we wait and see what actually might have caused this in Dim's particular case.
Also, let us understand that a heart attack and a stroke are by far two very different things. Whereas a stroke deals only with the brain and occurs when there is an obstruction of blood to the brain which then leads to a lack of tissue oxygenation, a heart attack has nothing to do with the brain and only deals with coronary arteries mainly, where due to an obstruction caused by either a thrombus (clot) or even cholesterol build up, the coronary arteries aren't able to provide the surrounding heart muscle with that much needed oxygen-rich blood, causing tissue ischemia, which is what causes the pain associated with a heart attack. Although both deal with the lack of blood reaching the respectable organs or tissues, one has nothing to do with the other necessarily. The only time when a heart attack can precede a stroke is when there is the case of an embolic stroke. With an embolic stroke originating at the heart, what you have is a clot that might have caused an obstruction at the coronary arteries, which could have lead to a heart attack "MI" and once it becomes dislodged (The clot) can then travel to the brain and cause a subsequent stroke to occur by furthermore causing more obstruction of blood to certain areas of the brain.
Now, there has not been any mention of a clot in Dim's scenario, so for now, all these talks of both occuring are at most speculation. Also, the only way that I personally see a rupture valve causing a heart attack or even stroke, is if the ruptured valve did not allow the right ventricle to pump blood out through the aorta which would have then subsequently caused pulmonary edema and then lead to left and right heart failure if untreated. So, only the lack of a large amount of blood pumping out through the aorta is one way in which the brain could have suffered from a stroke and the heart from a myocardial infarction, but that would have taken a few hours..
Dr. Goatboy, a few thoughts if you will..
Can he suffer from post-op complications? Absolutely, they happen more often than not....
Should he forget about bodybuilding? Yes.
1. The left ventricle (not the right) pumps blood out through the aorta.
2. As I said in a previous post, "valvular rupture" can mean a lot of things, especially when it is a layperson using the term. From what I've read in the posts here, it sounds like Dim may have developed acute valvular insufficiency which could result from true valve destruction/rupture (say from bacteria growing on the valve itself--which, by the way, is also possible here since Dim injects, and injection drug use is a risk factor for acute bacterial endocarditis) or from infarction of the muscles that normally maintain the integrity of the valve (M.I.s CAN can lead to acute valve malfunction due to papillary muscle rupture). You mention that hypertropy or dilatation of the heart can also cause valvular insufficiency; this is also true, although this is usually a chronic process.
3. Dim is likely being cared for in an ICU, and yes, there are many potential post-op complications--some related to the heart (arrythmias, cardiogenic shock, reinfarction, etc.) and others unrelated to the heart (pulmonary embolism, pneumonia, wound infection, etc.)
4. Stroke is a potential complication of cardiac surgery itself. The risk of stroke post-cardiac surgery is in the 4-5% range from studies I have seen.
It never ceases to amaze me what a piece of shit adonis is.........
Joe, the IFBB should ban every substance except Androgel. ;D
It's kind of hard to respect a belief system based on irrationality which has caused more violence and bloodshed than anything else in history. Just because Christianity is socially accepted doesn't mean it is any less morally repugnant and socially devastating than it is. What a horrible and dangerous system that puts faith above logic and reason.
Dr. Goatboy, a few thoughts if you will..
Bud your an idiot, and considering you live in a country founded by Christians maybe you should go live a communist country since tghey're the only ones that hate religion as much as you do.
Bud your an idiot, and considering you live in a country founded by Christians maybe you should go live a communist country since tghey're the only ones that hate religion as much as you do.
Matt C lives in Canada. Was Canada founded by chrisians?
I hate religion as much as he does, and I live in Texas. ;D
You hear that kids? Better start brushing your teeth.well you have to die of something ::) ;D
Actually yes it was, Matt c lives about 6 hours a way from me, I don't actually think hes an idiot, I get upset when people critize God like hes to blame for every problem out there, War is a human concept, and if you look at it realistically most countries don't fight for God or religion they fight for resources and pride, human ideals, so blaming God is pointless and rather cowardly. But who am I to argue.
1. The left ventricle (not the right) pumps blood out through the aorta.
what kind of wakeup call is god giving 2 year olds when he gives them cancer??
Serious question......if your "God" is so great, how do you explain EVERYTHING that's wrong today?
You hear that kids? Better start brushing your teeth.
some believe that young kids who die are angels sent down here to teach us about unconditional love...
Serious question......if your "God" is so great, how do you explain EVERYTHING that's wrong today?
This question goes to the heart of the glass half full/half empty question. Whats wrong with the world? War, famine, diseace, these things have and will always exist in humanity. And well its true that war has been ampliefed in terms of its effect, ex nuclear war and what not, take a look at the real numbers the fact is is that war is used more now as a money making venture by the larger countries rather than actual combat. . Humanity has pushed forward. God is a huge part of this and will contunie to be a huge part for a very long time. God is not the creator of the Earth, I am not foolish enough to believe non-sence like that, but God is that connection each and every human being has to each other to help each other and love thy fellow neighbor, its the feeling that people have to help out the planet during climate change, in short God is that unexplainable glue that holds humanity together and well its easy to blame him for all of are problems its also easy to realize that humans have real problems but humanity is way better off than we have ever been. But by forgetting God, we will only go back as more people say I live for myself, and as more people blame God when in reality God might be the only thing that will keep humanity connected. If you look at Church going people they commit way less crime, live longer, and feel happier than regular people who don't go to church so evidence supports the fact that God does have a positive effect on people.
hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha ;D
Powerful counter argument, you must have graduted top of your class.
If you look at Church going people they commit way less crime, live longer, and feel happier than regular people who don't go to church so evidence supports the fact that God does have a positive effect on people.
Studies show the opposite, religious people have more anxiety and other mental issues than non religious people, thus, you are dead wrong.
1. What "religion" are you referring?
2. I've been born-again for the last 10 years and I've never been more at peace or successful, my divorce was tough only in the fact that it was more stressful than emotional, but knowing I was at peace helped with the stress. So please don't make it sound like a blanket statement.
With all due respect for the topic of this thread, maybe this religious debate should have it's own thread ???
1: I need to dig up the studies.
2: Your own example can not be generalized into an example valid for the masses. And the characteristics evident in your relationship with religion is not representative for the majority IMO. You do not need religion to find that "greater peace", but for some, it can be a good way to find it.
I am not generalizing my statement onto every religious person out there, but I am saying that statistically, the studies have found that religious people suffer from more psychological issues than non religious people. If you are happy with your choice, then, good for you. :)
It's fun pissing these religious nutcases off, so the answer is: no ;D
It doesn't piss me off, it makes me stronger.
The church that I go to is largely made up of born-again and people that are just now discovering Christ, alot of the people that are born-again have suffered set backs in their lives and they have tried almost anything to find they're peace before coming to Christ, all the way from alcohol to drugs to self-help meetings to phyciatrists to anti-depressants, none worked, but when they found Christ, most of their lives turned around for the long term, there are people like this around the world and many have become Pastors. I'm quite sure Mindspin knows my Church and the Pastor since he grew up in my area, this is where I attend
http://www.calvarychapelcostamesa.com/
The church that I go to is largely made up of born-again and people that are just now discovering Christ, alot of the people that are born-again have suffered set backs in their lives and they have tried almost anything to find they're peace before coming to Christ, all the way from alcohol to drugs to self-help meetings to phyciatrists to anti-depressants, none worked, but when they found Christ, most of their lives turned around for the long term, there are people like this around the world and many have become Pastors. I'm quite sure Mindspin knows my Church and the Pastor since he grew up in my area, this is where I attend
http://www.calvarychapelcostamesa.com/
Hahahahahahahaa I was laughing for a minute straight after reading that one ;D Joe brings teh funny
I really don't give a shit about a single church, but the statistical overall trends interests me greatly.
If your church has been able to beat the average trend, then good for you and keep doing what you're doing :)
Not that I personally can approve a system where irrational faith in a flawed doctrine replaces rational thought though.. :-*
Not that I personally can approve a system where irrational faith in a flawed doctrine replaces rational thought though.. :-*
The church that I go to is largely made up of born-again and people that are just now discovering Christ, alot of the people that are born-again have suffered set backs in their lives and they have tried almost anything to find they're peace before coming to Christ, all the way from alcohol to drugs to self-help meetings to phyciatrists to anti-depressants, none worked, but when they found Christ, most of their lives turned around for the long term, there are people like this around the world and many have become Pastors. I'm quite sure Mindspin knows my Church and the Pastor since he grew up in my area, this is where I attend
http://www.calvarychapelcostamesa.com/
Is it a surprise to anyone the being nonreligious positively correlates to higher IQ?
Absolutely true.
In 50 years time all drugs will be legalized and controlled. I wonder how long it will take for humanity to eliminate religion though? The internet and the new information age is definitely helping, "thank god"! :)
Guys i cannot believe some of the shit i just read!!!! Kris Dim is a mate of mine!!! Kris was given a 10% chance of pulling through the operation!!! meaning he had a 90% he would die!! The odds were massively against Kris!!! Kris is still in a very serious condtion and i read some post here about....WHAT HE WAS TALKING, IDIOT SHOULD HAVE NOT TAKEN SO MUCH, WHAT WAS HE ON, DRUGS, STERIODS, GH etc, etc.....!!! There are more posts about what Kris had a attack from than there is about actual sympathy for a guy who is a great business man, great father and just great human being!! Unbeleiveable!! the respect of you guys!!! >:( MAN who cares what it was that caused it for now!!! Lets just thank god or whoever that got him through this very near death experience!!! right now it does'nt matter what it was that caused it, just the fact that a great pro bodybuilder ALMOST DIED!!!
I just cannot believe the shit on the thread!!! true or untrue it does'nt matter!! Kris is in intensive care right now and people have to hide to post about there expert opinions as how he had this heart attack. FUCK ME!! hows the timing of some of you people!!! For God sake have some heart!!!
More intelligent people are already making the transition, so naturally average people will follow. It's just that it's difficult to get rid of something that's been conditioned into peoples' minds for thousands of years.
Have you noticed that books written by atheists are all best sellers? hahaha
More intelligent people are already making the transition, so naturally average people will follow. It's just that it's difficult to get rid of something that's been conditioned into peoples' minds for thousands of years.
Have you noticed that books written by atheists are all best sellers? hahaha
just the fact that a great pro bodybuilder ALMOST DIED!!!
I had a religious meltdown at age 22-23
Don't forget pray for Kris !!;D ;D
I heard that what Kris Dim suffered from was the same thing that killed John Ritter called an Aortic dissection. Basically it is a tear in the aorta that causes blood to flow between the layers of the wall of the aorta and forces the layers apart. Aortic dissections resulting in rupture have a 90% mortality rate even if intervention is timely so this fits in with the 10% survival rate the Dr's said Kris had.
Causes include high blood pressure, Marfan's disease, Ehlers-Danlos syndrome, connective tissue diseases, and defects of heart development which begin during fetal development. Doubtful that they will ever find the cause unless it happens to be congenital, but I am sure a lot of people will throw on their specualtion caps and give their "medical Opinion". Hope Kris fully recovers.
c'mon lets not kid people take away the steroids and other exotic goodies and this heart attack never happens or at least not this early in his life.
You or anyone else has no way of knowing that. This type of thing is very rare. Not in any way typical of steroid usage.
1. What "religion" are you referring?Atheists Supply Less Than 1% Of Prison Populations
2. I've been born-again for the last 10 years and I've never been more at peace or successful, my divorce was tough only in the fact that it was more stressful than emotional, but knowing I was at peace helped with the stress. So please don't make it sound like a blanket statement.
The church that I go to is largely made up of born-again and people that are just now discovering Christ, alot of the people that are born-again have suffered set backs in their lives and they have tried almost anything to find they're peace before coming to Christ, all the way from alcohol to drugs to self-help meetings to phyciatrists to anti-depressants, none worked, but when they found Christ, most of their lives turned around for the long term, there are people like this around the world and many have become Pastors. I'm quite sure Mindspin knows my Church and the Pastor since he grew up in my area, this is where I attend
http://www.calvarychapelcostamesa.com/
my grandfather nine X's ago was the leading transcendental christian philosopher who eventually became the 1st governor of rhode island. he was run out of massachusetts for advocating communicating directly to god and without a minister/preacher.
thats sounds like he was Mormon. They believe that God speaks to them directly, at first it was everyone, but when that proved problematic, it became just the church elders that can talk to God. Thats why they are so fucked up becaue they keep changing their rules all the time to whatever suits the needs of the particular pastor in charge. Total tools.
thats sounds like he was Mormon. They believe that God speaks to them directly, at first it was everyone, but when that proved problematic, it became just the church elders that can talk to God. Thats why they are so fucked up becaue they keep changing their rules all the time to whatever suits the needs of the particular pastor in charge. Total tools.
Adonis is right about atheists.
Atheists are in fact very good people who believe in engaging all people in an open discourse to solve all our problems through moral philosophy and sciences, using the best minds and rational thought. They believe that we should make life the best we can for humans and protect the planet through intellegence and morality.
Faith can be dangerous, as we see everyday in the paper. We are in holy war of faith.
Not unexpected as a result. Note that atheists, being a moderate proportion of the USA population (about 8-16%) are disproportionately less in the prison populations (0.21%).
Adonis is right about atheists.
Atheists are in fact very good people who believe in engaging all people in an open discourse to solve all our problems through moral philosophy and sciences, using the best minds and rational thought. They believe that we should make life the best we can for humans and protect the planet through intellegence and morality.
Faith can be dangerous, as we see everyday in the paper. We are in holy war of faith.
10% chance of living hey Kris?
If you die, you will be forgotten in a 'heart-beat' ( no pun intended: it's just how the industry works!).
If you live, you will return to that skinny and short guy you left behind many years ago! Remember him?
Kris, good luck in the survival process!
atheists don't kill people, religious people do.
Adonis is right about atheists.
Atheists are in fact very good people who believe in engaging all people in an open discourse to solve all our problems through moral philosophy and sciences, using the best minds and rational thought. They believe that we should make life the best we can for humans and protect the planet through intellegence and morality.
Faith can be dangerous, as we see everyday in the paper. We are in holy war of faith.
WTF is wrong with you??
How did this thread on a young pro with major heart problems morph into a thread about religion vs atheism? wtf?
WTF is wrong with you??
Hey Lena, don't blame this asshole for the tings he is saying blame Ron. It's one thing for us to come on here and makes fun of each other and bicker back and forth, but another to let this kind of shit go on. These kind of comments should be deleted.
Thats a fairly broad assumption, no?it is and so wrong :-X
I like to eat pussy.I think we figured that out Matt!
I like to eat pussy.
I think Kris is involved in a fringe sport, and I think Kris would'nt have done it any different. Steriods may or may not be the cause, the 5 pounds of red meat Kris ate everyday isn't great either but Kris has an amazing body, and is/was doing what he loved. We could only be so lucky, all fringe activities carry risk.
yeah, the comment was a bit over the top, but the general point is correctTOP LEVEL BODYBUILDING IS BAD FOR ONE'S HEALTHDENNIS NEWMAN, DON LONG, TOM PRINCE, FLEX WHEELER, MIKE FRANCOIS, SONNY SCHMIDT, MOMO BENAZIZA, ANDREAS MUNZER, MIKE MATARAZZO, MIKE MORRIS
The list goes on and on and on and on and on
Too bad some people want to keep their heads in the sand
Guys i cannot believe some of the shit i just read!!!! Kris Dim is a mate of mine!!! Kris was given a 10% chance of pulling through the operation!!! meaning he had a 90% he would die!! The odds were massively against Kris!!! Kris is still in a very serious condtion and i read some post here about....WHAT HE WAS TALKING, IDIOT SHOULD HAVE NOT TAKEN SO MUCH, WHAT WAS HE ON, DRUGS, STERIODS, GH etc, etc.....!!! There are more posts about what Kris had a attack from than there is about actual sympathy for a guy who is a great business man, great father and just great human being!! Unbeleiveable!! the respect of you guys!!! >:( MAN who cares what it was that caused it for now!!! Lets just thank god or whoever that got him through this very near death experience!!! right now it does'nt matter what it was that caused it, just the fact that a great pro bodybuilder ALMOST DIED!!!
I just cannot believe the shit on the thread!!! true or untrue it does'nt matter!! Kris is in intensive care right now and people have to hide to post about there expert opinions as how he had this heart attack. FUCK ME!! hows the timing of some of you people!!! For God sake have some heart!!!
Actually, it does matter what he was taking. My guess is you're probably taking similar drugs. If what happened to Kris is so horrible, why not learn from his mistake, so that you don't end up on an operating table yourself ?Self loathing meltdown.
Actually, it does matter what he was taking. My guess is you're probably taking similar drugs. If what happened to Kris is so horrible, why not learn from his mistake, so that you don't end up on an operating table yourself ?your talking to an IFBB pro. He gave up health at the national level. Now its whatever it takes to place and keep the sponsor happy. Some can hang longer than others.
Self loathing meltdown.
Guys i cannot believe some of the shit i just read!!!! Kris Dim is a mate of mine!!! Kris was given a 10% chance of pulling through the operation!!! meaning he had a 90% he would die!! The odds were massively against Kris!!! Kris is still in a very serious condtion and i read some post here about....WHAT HE WAS TALKING, IDIOT SHOULD HAVE NOT TAKEN SO MUCH, WHAT WAS HE ON, DRUGS, STERIODS, GH etc, etc.....!!! There are more posts about what Kris had a attack from than there is about actual sympathy for a guy who is a great business man, great father and just great human being!! Unbeleiveable!! the respect of you guys!!! >:( MAN who cares what it was that caused it for now!!! Lets just thank god or whoever that got him through this very near death experience!!! right now it does'nt matter what it was that caused it, just the fact that a great pro bodybuilder ALMOST DIED!!!
I just cannot believe the shit on the thread!!! true or untrue it does'nt matter!! Kris is in intensive care right now and people have to hide to post about there expert opinions as how he had this heart attack. FUCK ME!! hows the timing of some of you people!!! For God sake have some heart!!!
Red meat and Advil can take out an elephant..Say what, Armz? Is there some destructive chemical relationship
could it be from the synthol flowing from his veins? milos had a heart attack off the stuff...
Not true. Milos had a pulmonary embolism. Very common and very bening but scary.
Don't start shit ;D.
Very common and very benign??? Are you joking? Pulmonary embolisms are most definitely not benign.
Kris is my dear friend and one of the most wonderful people you'll ever meet...
In this time he needs our support and prayers...Situation is serious and I only hope that some of you will find something within yourselves to stop joking and making fun of the very serious situation.
It is miracle that Kris survived and contrary to what many believe - it was hereditary situation and NOT caused by anything else some would like to assume...
He did always had high blood pressure and I know about it since I've met him...
Please, for the love of God - send prayers and best wishes ONLY as POWER of positive thinking DOES miracles...
Think and hope THE BEST - and THE BEST WILL HAPPEN...
Try it...it doesn't hurt.
Kris - I love you like a brother...and I am sure you know that.
I'll think positive thoughts for him today.
I hope you do, Im starting to worry about you :-\
LETS HOPE HE PULLS THROUGH !
THIS IS A LESSON FOR YOU "PRO"
and contrary to what many believe - it was hereditary situation and NOT caused by anything else some would like to assume...I doubt the doctors have already determined the cause to be hereditary. Especially entirely hereditary. If he had high BP and he knew about it should have been addressed via medication and/or lifestyle change. Sounds like he went years with high BP, kinda like TP. I'm guessing the high BP didn't help in this situation.
He did always had high blood pressure and I know about it since I've met him...
My bad it's obviously not "embolism" can't remember the term and too lazy to look for it. It's neitherless some "common" symptoms for injecters...
Sorry about that..
Kris is my dear friend and one of the most wonderful people you'll ever meet...Must be a genius to take gear for almost a dozen years and not expect it to affect his hereditary condition. Sheer brilliance.
In this time he needs our support and prayers...Situation is serious and I only hope that some of you will find something within yourselves to stop joking and making fun of the very serious situation.
It is miracle that Kris survived and contrary to what many believe - it was hereditary situation and NOT caused by anything else some would like to assume...
He did always had high blood pressure and I know about it since I've met him...
Please, for the love of God - send prayers and best wishes ONLY as POWER of positive thinking DOES miracles...
Think and hope THE BEST - and THE BEST WILL HAPPEN...
Try it...it doesn't hurt.
Kris - I love you like a brother...and I am sure you know that.
Must be a genius to take gear for almost a dozen years and not expect it to affect his hereditary condition. Sheer brilliance.
The human body was not meant to ingest enormous amounts of anabolics for long periods of time, plain and simple.
Good luck with everything though.
what drives and motivates people to take such extreme risks?
what drives and motivates people to take such extreme risks?
It seems like whenever a bodybuilder suffers a medical problem, it is never the result of steriods or anything bodybuilding related (ex: TP and his aspirin addiction). Anyway, thoughts and prayers go out to Kris Dim and I wish him the best.
I hope he makes a good recovery. he's unlikely to ever compete on the olympia though. Aortic dissection is very serious. patient in our hospital came in with one 2 weeks ago, rushed to different hospital after CT for emergency surgery but fortunately is doing well post-op. Very unfortunate Kris suffered strokes during surgery. Hopefully he will not have long tewrm weakness, dissability. By the way, if Kris was overweigth and hypertensive he would have neeb at risk without drugs.I wonder where his gains will be without Uncle DBol. Here comes another Tom Prince. You heard it here first.
the Doc
what drives and motivates people to take such extreme risks?Good point. I'm all for trying different things in life, but can never consider taking drugs as an actual positive activity. Drugs are garbage, plain and simple. For example, I can go 100mph in a car, get home and be fine with it. I couldn't ingest many drugs, bodybuilding or not, then look at myself and feel good. I equate drug use with complete destructive behavior and the majority of users have problems with them. Great physique or not, mild use or no, drugs are a waste. Just say no! :'(hahah How many people who take nothing say, "Man, I really need to start taking drugs some day soon." Drugs are a false reality, end of story.
why do people climb mountains?
why do people jump out of planes?
why do people go bungee jumping?
they like it Smiley
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Good point. I'm all for trying different things in life, but can never consider taking drugs as an actual positive activity. Drugs are garbage, plain and simple. For example, I can go 100mph in a car, get home and be fine with it. I couldn't ingest many drugs, bodybuilding or not, then look at myself and feel good. I equate drug use with complete destructive behavior and the majority of users have problems with them. Great physique or not, mild use or no, drugs are a waste. Just say no! :'(hahah How many people who take nothing say, "Man, I really need to start taking drugs some day soon." Drugs are a false reality, end of story.
Hope this helps.
You mean anabolic steroids. Shit like ephedrine, weed, caffine = harmless stuff in the right hands.
True, but I've still seen lives ruined by weed. The weak fucks.
"to me, going into a car and trying to go in a quarter mile five seconds is crazy"
did Kris have diabetes?
or a family history of cardio disease?
Curtis Leffler
Hans Hopstaken
Mike Matarazzo
Don Youngblood
Eduardo Kawak
Anthony D'Arezzo
Kris Dim
More heart related issues with bodybuilders:
http://steroidsviciouscycles.com/HTMLobj-1422/SteroidsViciousCyclesTRAIL.html
Discuss.
Kris is my dear friend and one of the most wonderful people you'll ever meet...
In this time he needs our support and prayers...Situation is serious and I only hope that some of you will find something within yourselves to stop joking and making fun of the very serious situation.
It is miracle that Kris survived and contrary to what many believe - it was hereditary situation and NOT caused by anything else some would like to assume...
He did always had high blood pressure and I know about it since I've met him...
Please, for the love of God - send prayers and best wishes ONLY as POWER of positive thinking DOES miracles...
Think and hope THE BEST - and THE BEST WILL HAPPEN...
Try it...it doesn't hurt.
Kris - I love you like a brother...and I am sure you know that.
how about sending him some money. or at least some flowers with fruits.
anyone can type i love him dearly, i wish this and that...but all the ppl that know him personally and call him BROTHER should at the very least fly to see him, pass him some money or anything he needs
It is miracle that Kris survived and contrary to what many believe - it was hereditary situation and NOT caused by anything else some would like to assume...
I pray Kris fully recovers, and stays the Fvck away from the demented "sport" of BBing.how do you know it wasn't hereditary dumbass? regardless it's a tragic situation, good luck to Kris.
BTW Milos, how come everytime a BBer suffers health problems.........it's always hereditary or genetic? Your blatant lies disgust me.
When you mess with fire, expect to get burned.
Curtis Leffler
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Eduardo Kawak
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Kris Dim
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Apparently Kris had both. :-\
But somebody upstairs is looking out for him, so it's all good.
I pray Kris fully recovers, and stays the Fvck away from the demented "sport" of BBing.
BTW Milos, how come everytime a BBer suffers health problems.........it's always hereditary or genetic? Your blatant lies disgust me.
When you mess with fire, expect to get burned.
Maybe it's because when a bodybuilder suffers health problems and someone mentions that anabolics played a significant role, we have all these other folks howling and wailing about how steroids weren't to blame (most recently, the Ultimate Warrior's jumbled rant on "Hannity and Colmes", regarding the Chris Benoit incident).
are you saying steroids are the reason he murdered his family and committed suicide in a span of 3 days?
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