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Re: Kris Dim had a heart attack.
« Reply #200 on: June 10, 2007, 11:49:50 AM »
1: I need to dig up the studies.

2: Your own example can not be generalized into an example valid for the masses. And the characteristics evident in your relationship with religion is not representative for the majority IMO. You do not need religion to find that "greater peace", but for some, it can be a good way to find it.

I am not generalizing my statement onto every religious person out there, but I am saying that statistically, the studies have found that religious people suffer from more psychological issues than non religious people. If you are happy with your choice, then, good for you.  :)

The church that I go to is largely made up of born-again and people that are just now discovering Christ, alot of the people that are born-again have suffered set backs in their lives and they have tried almost anything to find they're peace before coming to Christ, all the way from alcohol to drugs to self-help meetings to phyciatrists to anti-depressants, none worked, but when they found Christ, most of their lives turned around for the long term, there are people like this around the world and many have become Pastors. I'm quite sure Mindspin knows my Church and the Pastor since he grew up in my area, this is where I attend

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« Reply #201 on: June 10, 2007, 11:50:45 AM »
It's fun pissing these religious nutcases off, so the answer is: no ;D

It doesn't piss me off, it makes me stronger.

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« Reply #202 on: June 10, 2007, 11:51:57 AM »
It doesn't piss me off, it makes me stronger.


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The church that I go to is largely made up of born-again and people that are just now discovering Christ, alot of the people that are born-again have suffered set backs in their lives and they have tried almost anything to find they're peace before coming to Christ, all the way from alcohol to drugs to self-help meetings to phyciatrists to anti-depressants, none worked, but when they found Christ, most of their lives turned around for the long term, there are people like this around the world and many have become Pastors. I'm quite sure Mindspin knows my Church and the Pastor since he grew up in my area, this is where I attend

http://www.calvarychapelcostamesa.com/


I really don't give a shit about a single church, but the statistical overall trends interests me greatly.

If your church has been able to beat the average trend, then good for you and keep doing what you're doing  :)

Not that I personally can approve a system where irrational faith in a flawed doctrine replaces rational thought though..  :-*

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« Reply #203 on: June 10, 2007, 11:59:26 AM »
The church that I go to is largely made up of born-again and people that are just now discovering Christ, alot of the people that are born-again have suffered set backs in their lives and they have tried almost anything to find they're peace before coming to Christ, all the way from alcohol to drugs to self-help meetings to phyciatrists to anti-depressants, none worked, but when they found Christ, most of their lives turned around for the long term, there are people like this around the world and many have become Pastors. I'm quite sure Mindspin knows my Church and the Pastor since he grew up in my area, this is where I attend

http://www.calvarychapelcostamesa.com/

I have great respect for churches like yours. It's hard not to beleive in anything when you see people from all backgrounds come together, get inspired by Christ and grow stronger and lead better lives.


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« Reply #204 on: June 10, 2007, 12:06:17 PM »

Hahahahahahahaa I was laughing for a minute straight after reading that one ;D Joe brings teh funny




I really don't give a shit about a single church, but the statistical overall trends interests me greatly.

If your church has been able to beat the average trend, then good for you and keep doing what you're doing  :)

Not that I personally can approve a system where irrational faith in a flawed doctrine replaces rational thought though..  :-*

It's not one church, Pastor Chuck has started Calvary's all over the world.

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Re: Kris Dim had a heart attack.
« Reply #205 on: June 10, 2007, 12:34:39 PM »
Not that I personally can approve a system where irrational faith in a flawed doctrine replaces rational thought though..  :-*


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« Reply #206 on: June 10, 2007, 02:03:27 PM »
The church that I go to is largely made up of born-again and people that are just now discovering Christ, alot of the people that are born-again have suffered set backs in their lives and they have tried almost anything to find they're peace before coming to Christ, all the way from alcohol to drugs to self-help meetings to phyciatrists to anti-depressants, none worked, but when they found Christ, most of their lives turned around for the long term, there are people like this around the world and many have become Pastors. I'm quite sure Mindspin knows my Church and the Pastor since he grew up in my area, this is where I attend

http://www.calvarychapelcostamesa.com/

Here's the problem with religion: the moment you teach people it is ok to think irrationally and act irrationally and make decisions based on faith rather than logic and reason is the moment the door is open to all sorts of terrible things, justified in terms of "faith".  If we eliminate faith, we eliminate all of these horrible things in the world.  And while some people may do good things based on faith, the sweeping majority of things done based on faith are bad, and the world would be a better place without it.

BTK was the president of his church.  The same diseased portion of his brain which caused him to be a serial killer and do all sorts of ill was the same diseased portion of his brain which gave him great faith.  Faith is, objectively, a type of psychological flaw.

I had a religious meltdown at age 22-23 in late 2004 and the forums on www.iidb.org really showed me what reason means.  I guess the next meltdown I can look forward to is my midlife crisis in about 20 years.  ;D  By the way, I got owned quite a bit on IIDB as there are some very intelligent people on there.  I may go back now and see if I am at their level.

Sure - I could be wrong.  But given the set of observable evidence around us, I am right.  So even if I am wrong and there is a god, he/she/it is giving me every reason to positively formulate the conclusions that I do.
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« Reply #207 on: June 10, 2007, 02:11:59 PM »
Is it a surprise to anyone the being nonreligious positively correlates to higher IQ?

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« Reply #208 on: June 10, 2007, 02:16:32 PM »
when in the world did this get validated by some unknown post under Mat C's name again until i see some official post of this you guys debating over religion is senseless.

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« Reply #209 on: June 10, 2007, 02:19:02 PM »
Is it a surprise to anyone the being nonreligious positively correlates to higher IQ?

Absolutely true.

In 50 years time all drugs will be legalized and controlled.  I wonder how long it will take for humanity to eliminate religion though?  The internet and the new information age is definitely helping, "thank god"!  :)
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« Reply #210 on: June 10, 2007, 02:22:30 PM »
Absolutely true.

In 50 years time all drugs will be legalized and controlled.  I wonder how long it will take for humanity to eliminate religion though?  The internet and the new information age is definitely helping, "thank god"!  :)

More intelligent people are already making the transition, so naturally average people will follow. It's just that it's difficult to get rid of something that's been conditioned into peoples' minds for thousands of years.

Have you noticed that books written by atheists are all best sellers? hahaha

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« Reply #211 on: June 10, 2007, 02:25:08 PM »
Guys i cannot believe some of the shit i just read!!!! Kris Dim is a mate of mine!!! Kris was given a 10% chance of pulling through the operation!!! meaning he had a 90% he would die!! The odds were massively against Kris!!! Kris is still in a very serious condtion and i read some post here about....WHAT HE WAS TALKING, IDIOT SHOULD HAVE NOT TAKEN SO MUCH, WHAT WAS HE ON, DRUGS, STERIODS, GH etc, etc.....!!! There are more posts about what Kris had a attack from than there is about actual sympathy for a guy who is a great business man, great father and just great human being!! Unbeleiveable!! the respect of you guys!!! >:( MAN who cares what it was that caused it for now!!! Lets just thank god or whoever that got him through this very near death experience!!! right now it does'nt matter what it was that caused it, just the fact that a great pro bodybuilder ALMOST DIED!!!

I just cannot believe the shit on the thread!!! true or untrue it does'nt matter!! Kris is in intensive care right now and people have to hide to post about there expert opinions as how he had this heart attack. FUCK ME!! hows the timing of some of you people!!! For God sake have some heart!!!

I have found my validation and I must say I hope Kris gets well......and I agree with luke 200% on most of you guys actions in this matter....most of ya suck anyway especially those who have 2345 post and only been a member for 6 months ::)...what the hell else do you do in life?

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« Reply #212 on: June 10, 2007, 02:28:22 PM »
More intelligent people are already making the transition, so naturally average people will follow. It's just that it's difficult to get rid of something that's been conditioned into peoples' minds for thousands of years.

Have you noticed that books written by atheists are all best sellers? hahaha

Thats because your not concentraiting on finding the best sellers written by Christians. James Cameron tried making a movie last year claiming he or someone found the tomb of Jesus with bones in it...........he was QUICKLY blown out of the water by Biblical scholors who in essence called it BS!!

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« Reply #213 on: June 10, 2007, 02:28:31 PM »
More intelligent people are already making the transition, so naturally average people will follow. It's just that it's difficult to get rid of something that's been conditioned into peoples' minds for thousands of years.

Have you noticed that books written by atheists are all best sellers? hahaha

Yep lol.  And your description is accurate.  It IS difficult under those circumstances.
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Re: Kris Dim had a heart attack.
« Reply #214 on: June 10, 2007, 02:34:54 PM »
just the fact that a great pro bodybuilder ALMOST DIED!!!



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« Reply #215 on: June 10, 2007, 04:17:07 PM »
I had a religious meltdown at age 22-23



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« Reply #216 on: June 10, 2007, 10:42:59 PM »


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Don't forget pray for Kris !!

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Everyone is amazed that for a guy that had his heart collapse, go through open heart surgery, experienced multiple strokes on the operating table, that a guy like that is awake and responsive. He's now just getting the use of his legs but he's still a little groggy but the most important thing is that he's alive.

I told him that many people on the boards are praying for him and we're keeping him in our thoughts and prayers. He can still use your prayers so let's keep praying for our fellow iron brother.

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« Reply #217 on: June 10, 2007, 10:45:41 PM »
is he in the group insurance plan that bob set-up?

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« Reply #218 on: June 10, 2007, 10:54:09 PM »
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« Reply #219 on: June 10, 2007, 11:35:24 PM »
I heard that what Kris Dim suffered from was the same thing that killed John Ritter called an Aortic dissection. Basically it is a tear in the aorta that causes blood to flow between the layers of the wall of the aorta and forces the layers apart. Aortic dissections resulting in rupture have a 90% mortality rate even if intervention is timely so this fits in with the 10% survival rate the Dr's said Kris had.

Causes include high blood pressure, Marfan's disease, Ehlers-Danlos syndrome, connective tissue diseases, and defects of heart development which begin during fetal development. Doubtful that they will ever find the cause unless it happens to be congenital, but I am sure a lot of people will throw on their specualtion caps and give their "medical Opinion". Hope Kris fully recovers.

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« Reply #220 on: June 10, 2007, 11:43:21 PM »
I heard that what Kris Dim suffered from was the same thing that killed John Ritter called an Aortic dissection. Basically it is a tear in the aorta that causes blood to flow between the layers of the wall of the aorta and forces the layers apart. Aortic dissections resulting in rupture have a 90% mortality rate even if intervention is timely so this fits in with the 10% survival rate the Dr's said Kris had.

Causes include high blood pressure, Marfan's disease, Ehlers-Danlos syndrome, connective tissue diseases, and defects of heart development which begin during fetal development. Doubtful that they will ever find the cause unless it happens to be congenital, but I am sure a lot of people will throw on their specualtion caps and give their "medical Opinion". Hope Kris fully recovers.

c'mon lets not kid people take away the steroids and other exotic goodies and this heart attack never happens or at least not this early in his life.

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« Reply #221 on: June 10, 2007, 11:45:55 PM »
c'mon lets not kid people take away the steroids and other exotic goodies and this heart attack never happens or at least not this early in his life.

You or anyone else has no way of knowing that. This type of thing is very rare. Not in any way typical of steroid usage.

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« Reply #222 on: June 11, 2007, 12:05:28 AM »
You or anyone else has no way of knowing that. This type of thing is very rare. Not in any way typical of steroid usage.

I dont know for sure but id bet a signifcant amount of money that it would have never happened if he had stayed off the heavy usage. dim was natuarrly a small guy. some people just cant hold that kind of size and remain in good health and I think dim fits in this category.

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Re: Kris Dim had a heart attack.
« Reply #223 on: June 11, 2007, 02:09:58 AM »
1. What "religion" are you referring?

2. I've been born-again for the last 10 years and I've never been more at peace or successful, my divorce was tough only in the fact that it was more stressful than emotional, but knowing I was at peace helped with the stress. So please don't make it sound like a blanket statement.
Atheists Supply Less Than 1% Of Prison Populations
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   It's suprising how many people say to me, "You're an Atheist?  You must
have no conscience about commiting crime then."  Nothing could be further
from the truth.  In fact, if we examine the population of our prisons, we
see a very different picture:

   In "The New Criminology", Max D. Schlapp and Edward E. Smith say that two
generations of statisticians found that the ratio of convicts without
religious training is about 1/10 of 1%.  W. T. Root, professor of
psychology at the Univ. of Pittsburgh, examined 1,916 prisoners and said
"Indifference to religion, due to thought, strengthens character," adding
that Unitarians, Agnostics, Atheists and Free-Thinkers are absent from
penitentiariers or nearly so.

   During 10 years in Sing-Sing, those executed for murder were 65% Catholics,
26% Protestants, 6% Hebrew, 2% Pagan, and less than 1/3 of 1% non-religious.

   Steiner and Swancara surveyed Canadian prisons and found 1,294 Catholics,
435 Anglicans, 241 Methodists, 135 Baptists, and 1 Unitarian.

   Dr. Christian, Superintendant of the NY State Reformatories, checked
22,000 prison inmates and found only 4 college graduates.  In "Who's Who"
91% were college graduates, and he commented that "intelligence and
knowledge produce right living" and that "crime is the offspring of
superstition and ignorance."

   Surveyed Massachusetts reformatories found every inmate religious, carefully
herded by chaplins.

   In Joliet, there were 2,888 Catholics, 1,020 Baptists, 617 Methodists and
0 non-religious.

   Michigan had 82,000 Baptists and 83,000 Jews in their state population.
But in the prisons, there were 22 times as many Baptists as Jews, and 18 times
as many Methodists as Jews.  In Sing-Sing, there were 1,553 total inmates with
855 of them Catholics (over half), 518 Protestants, 177 Jews and 8 non-
religious.  There's a very interesting qualified statistic.

   Steiner first surveyed 27 states, and found 19,400 Christians, 5,000 with
no preference, and only 3 Agnostics (one each in Connecticut, New Hampshire,
and Illinois).  A later, more complete survey found 60,605 Christians, 5,000
Jews, 131 Pagans, 4,000 no preference, and only 3 Agnostics.

   In one 29-state survey, Steiner found 15 unbelievers, Spirtualists,
Theosophists, Deists, Pantheists and 1 Agnostic among nearly 83,000 inmates.
Calling all 15 "anti-christians" made it one half person to each state.
Elmira reformatory overshadowed all, with nearly 31,000 inmates, including
15,694 Catholics (half), and 10,968 Protestants, 4,000 Jews, 325 refusing
to answer, and 0 unbelievers.

  In the East, over 64% of inmates are Catholics.  In the national prison
population they average 50%.  A national census found Catholics 15%.  They
count from the diaper up.  Hardly 12% are old enough to commit a crime.
Half of these are women.  That leaves an adult Catholic population of 6%
supplying 50% of the prison population.

   Liverpool, England produces three percent as many young criminals as
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« Reply #224 on: June 11, 2007, 02:11:24 AM »
These stats were obtained from their computer on 5 March 1997.


Dear Mr. Swift:

The Federal Bureau of Prisons does have statistics on religious
affiliations of inmates.  The following are total number of
inmates per religion category:

Response              Number      %
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Catholic               29267   39.164%
Protestant             26162   35.008%
Muslim                  5435    7.273%
American Indian         2408    3.222%
Nation                  1734    2.320%
Rasta                   1485    1.987%
Jewish                  1325    1.773%
Church of Christ        1303    1.744%
Pentecostal             1093    1.463%
Moorish                 1066    1.426%
Buddhist                 882    1.180%
Jehovah Witness          665    0.890%
Adventist                621    0.831%
Orthodox                 375    0.502%
Mormon                   298    0.399%
Scientology              190    0.254%
Atheist                  156    0.209%
Hindu                    119    0.159%
Santeria                 117    0.157%
Sikh                      14    0.019%
Bahai                      9    0.012%
Krishna                    7    0.009%
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Total Known Responses  74731  100.001% (rounding to 3 digits does this)

Unknown/No Answer      18381
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Total Convicted        93112  80.259% (74731) prisoners' religion is known.

Held in Custody         3856  (not surveyed due to temporary custody)
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Total In Prisons       96968


I hope that this information is helpful to you.

Sincerely,

Denise Golumbaski
Research Analyst
Federal Bureau of Prisons



Now, let's just deal with the nasty Christian types, no?

Catholic               29267   39.164%
Protestant             26162   35.008%
Rasta                   1485    1.987%
Jewish                  1325    1.773%
Church of Christ        1303    1.744%
Pentecostal             1093    1.463%
Jehovah Witness          665    0.890%
Adventist                621    0.831%
Orthodox                 375    0.502%
Mormon                   298    0.399%

Judeo-Christian Total  62594   83.761% (of the 74731 total responses)
Total Known Responses  74731

Not unexpected as a result. Note that atheists, being a moderate proportion of the USA population (about 8-16%) are disproportionately less in the prison populations (0.21%).