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Title: Losing Muslim hearts and minds
Post by: 24KT on June 19, 2007, 11:46:02 PM
Losing Muslim hearts and minds
Why the White House should worry about a new poll suggesting that even allied Muslim countries believe the U.S. wants to weaken and divide the Islamic world.


EDITORIAL - The Los Angeles Times, April 25, 2007

IT HAS BEEN a long and bloody spring in Iraq and Afghanistan, but on the battlefield of ideas, the news is even less encouraging. A survey released Tuesday by WorldPublic-Opinion.org suggests that the struggle for Muslim hearts and minds may already be lost.

Overwhelming majorities of those surveyed in Egypt, Morocco, Pakistan and Indonesia say they believe that the U.S. seeks to "weaken and divide the Islamic world" and to "achieve political and military domination to control Middle East resources." Most say they think that Al Qaeda defends the dignity of Muslims by standing up to the U.S., and most share the terrorist organization's goal of evicting the U.S. military from the Mideast.

More alarming is the support among citizens of allied countries for attacking U.S. troops in Iraq. That includes 91% of those polled in Egypt, 68% in Morocco, 35% in Pakistan and 19% in Indonesia. Approval rates for attacks on U.S. troops based in Afghanistan and the Persian Gulf states were almost as high. (The polling was conducted between December and February, with support from the University of Maryland.)

These numbers should be memorized by members of Congress and President Bush as they gird this week for the latest battle over Iraq war funding and timetables for troop withdrawal. One of the administration's key rationales for deploying troops longer than the Democratic Congress wishes is to prevent Iraq from becoming an Al Qaeda beachhead. To the extent that the U.S. presence in the Middle East increases support for Al Qaeda, as the poll suggests, will prolonging the American military mission be counterproductive to the broader struggle against radical Islamic fanaticism and terror?

The pollsters found two rays of hope relevant to Washington strategists. First, large majorities of the Muslims polled strongly disapprove of attacks on U.S. civilians. Second, probably due to the carnage that he has inflicted on fellow Muslims, Osama Bin Laden's ratings are falling. In Jordan, for example, 60% expressed confidence in Bin Laden in 2005, but after the Al Qaeda suicide bombing of a Jordanian wedding party, confidence fell to 34% in 2006, according to pollster Steven Kull. Still, the latest survey finds large majorities expressing either positive or mixed feelings about Bin Laden.

Many apparently rationalize their support for Al Qaeda by concluding that it wasn't behind 9/11. Despite Bin Laden's televised boasting, fewer than one in four surveyed — and just 2% of Pakistanis — say they think that Al Qaeda masterminded the attacks. This depressing landscape suggests a steep uphill climb for the United States. Yet persuading Muslims of the merits of democratic over theocratic rule remains Washington's only viable long-term strategy to win the generational war against Islamic extremists.
Title: Re: Losing Muslim hearts and minds
Post by: ToxicAvenger on June 20, 2007, 10:39:15 AM
common jag..when jesus tells bush to do it..its a holy war..
Title: Re: Losing Muslim hearts and minds
Post by: youandme on June 20, 2007, 11:21:12 AM
If the % is that high, then they should be added to the axis of evil, doubt about it, haha.
Title: Re: Losing Muslim hearts and minds
Post by: Cavalier22 on June 22, 2007, 06:27:55 PM
who gives a shit, let them kill each other like they are in palestine. fuckin throwbacks to the barbarian ages
Title: Re: Losing Muslim hearts and minds
Post by: 24KT on June 22, 2007, 10:30:52 PM
who gives a shit, let them kill each other like they are in palestine. fuckin throwbacks to the barbarian ages

Dude, as usual, you completely missed the point.

This is alarming to me, not so much because they want to kill each other. it is alarming because the percentage who now agree that it's acceptable to kill and attack Americans has risen so sharply. You would never have seen these kinds of numbers 4 years ago.
Title: Re: Losing Muslim hearts and minds
Post by: Nordic Superman on June 23, 2007, 02:45:38 AM
Dude, as usual, you completely missed the point.

This is alarming to me, not so much because they want to kill each other. it is alarming because the percentage who now agree that it's acceptable to kill and attack Americans has risen so sharply. You would never have seen these kinds of numbers 4 years ago.

Think about it, who really gives a shit from a group of people who believe it is exceptable to kill and attack Americans? You think they have moral standards etc that we should take note of? The poll is fluff.

You're just a stupid liberal apologist Jag, wanting to listen and help a population with such ridiculous ideas/morals etc that any person with common sense would write off.

It's in their religious doctrine to believe/commit such atrocities. Refute it.
Title: Re: Losing Muslim hearts and minds
Post by: 24KT on June 23, 2007, 09:47:01 AM
Think about it, who really gives a shit from a group of people who believe it is exceptable to kill and attack Americans?

Apparently you do. You can't muster that much hatred & animosity without giving a shit or two.
Infact, I suspect you crap your pants on a daily basis.

Another idiot that missed the point.  ::)

ps: The correct word you were striving for was 'acceptable' not 'exceptable'.
Where were you educated, ...in a barn?
Title: Re: Losing Muslim hearts and minds
Post by: Nordic Superman on June 23, 2007, 12:26:18 PM
Apparently you do. You can't muster that much hatred & animosity without giving a shit or two.
Infact, I suspect you crap your pants on a daily basis.

Another idiot that missed the point.  ::)

ps: The correct word you were striving for was 'acceptable' not 'exceptable'.
Where were you educated, ...in a barn?

No, you missed my point idiot, on the sentance you quoted me on...

Graduate of Manchester University, Comp Sci & Mathamatics.

What are your credentials you fucking idiot? University of life from the ghettos no less I bet! ::)
Title: Re: Losing Muslim hearts and minds
Post by: 24KT on June 24, 2007, 01:57:20 AM
No, you missed my point idiot, on the sentance you quoted me on...

Graduate of Manchester University, Comp Sci & Mathamatics.

What are your credentials you fucking idiot? University of life from the ghettos no less I bet! ::)

well then, I guess that settles that.  ::)
Title: Re: Losing Muslim hearts and minds
Post by: Nordic Superman on June 24, 2007, 04:18:45 AM
well then, I guess that settles that.  ::)

So seriously, to use spelling and grammar mistakes in your war chest of debate tactics you must have some formal education in a university somewhere right?

What are your educational credentials? ???
Title: Re: Losing Muslim hearts and minds
Post by: dizzleman06 on June 25, 2007, 11:37:48 AM
So seriously, to use spelling and grammar mistakes in your war chest of debate tactics you must have some formal education in a university somewhere right?

What are your educational credentials? ???

.......crickets...... ;D
Title: Re: Losing Muslim hearts and minds
Post by: ToxicAvenger on June 25, 2007, 02:10:23 PM
Apparently you do. You can't muster that much hatred & animosity without giving a shit or two.
Infact, I suspect you crap your pants on a daily basis.

Another idiot that missed the point.  ::)

ps: The correct word you were striving for was 'acceptable' not 'exceptable'.
Where were you educated, ...in a barn?


sweetie some brownie fucked his girl wayy back in 1992 ansd he's still pissed over but..

buuut..yanno what they say about english men  ;D
Title: Re: Losing Muslim hearts and minds
Post by: ToxicAvenger on June 25, 2007, 02:11:14 PM


Graduate of Manchester University, Comp Sci & Mathamatics.




LMAO!  ;D



...good one!
Title: Re: Losing Muslim hearts and minds
Post by: Nordic Superman on June 26, 2007, 01:47:43 AM

sweetie some brownie fucked his girl wayy back in 1992 ansd he's still pissed over but..

buuut..yanno what they say about english men  ;D

Ad hominem, attack me, not attacking my points... very interesting, you're the more masculine version of Jag.

Plus... it'd be pretty sick if a brownie fucked "my girl" in 1992, that would mean she would be 9 years old... interesting... didn't muhammad fuck a 9 year old? Aaah shit... your could be right!

LMAO!  ;D



...good one!

 ???
Title: Re: Losing Muslim hearts and minds
Post by: ToxicAvenger on June 26, 2007, 08:02:36 AM
Ad hominem, attack me, not attacking my points... very interesting, you're the more masculine version of Jag.





of course i'm attacking ya...yer a hatred mongering douchebag  :)
Title: Re: Losing Muslim hearts and minds
Post by: Nordic Superman on June 26, 2007, 08:04:08 AM
of course i'm attacking ya...yer a hatred mongering douchebag  :)

Yet you can't refute my arguement? It's not hate mongering if it's true.
Title: Re: Losing Muslim hearts and minds
Post by: ToxicAvenger on June 26, 2007, 08:26:55 AM
Yet you can't refute my arguement? It's not hate mongering if it's true.

what argument?  :-\

the more you post the more i see you as a pasty insecure little bitch type that hasn't gotton any in years  :)


Title: Re: Losing Muslim hearts and minds
Post by: Nordic Superman on June 26, 2007, 08:58:59 AM
what argument?  :-\

the more you post the more i see you as a pasty insecure little bitch type that hasn't gotton any in years  :)

lol, your analytical skills are exceptional. Have you considered applying for a career at Mi6? Hit me up and I can get the ball rolling for you brother!

Considering I haven't "had any in years", how about you tell me how much you want for your sister?
Title: Re: Losing Muslim hearts and minds
Post by: 24KT on June 26, 2007, 10:04:29 AM
Nordic, ...whatever you do, DON'T watch "When the Moors Ruled in Europe"

It might give you an absolute heart attack to learn how Europe flourished under the beneficence of Islam.

Might also give you a bit more insight into your Comp Sci & mathamatical predecessors
Title: Re: Losing Muslim hearts and minds
Post by: Nordic Superman on June 26, 2007, 11:06:30 AM
Nordic, ...whatever you do, DON'T watch "When the Moors Ruled in Europe"

It might give you an absolute heart attack to learn how Europe flourished under the beneficence of Islam.

Might also give you a bit more insight into your Comp Sci & mathamatical predecessors

Wait let me get this straight... the Moors ruled Europe? Or did they rule Spain? Britain is part of Europe, can you give me some historical dates and literature showing they ruled Britain?

Flourished? Debatable.

What really sickens me about you is you are quick to commend muslims when they are the Empire builders. Oh for it is something to be praised!

You're not an hypocrite are you? You'd find it entirely acceptable Britain and the USA went around the world again building empires and allowing countries to flourish (Canada, USA, Australia, South Africa, India etc)?

What about the white Europeans conquering the Americas, with the knowledge and intellect the Europeans possessed several great and economically powerful countries arose. You accept this as OK right? Or are you to once again contradict your stance?

You're pseudo intellectual. You have no credentials in any topic... do you even have a formal education?

Aah that's right, for you do NOT!

I'd really appreciate you respond to this, instead of playing the lying coward role you normally do when backed into a corner you can't get out of.
Title: Re: Losing Muslim hearts and minds
Post by: 24KT on June 26, 2007, 11:38:22 AM
Wait let me get this straight... the Moors ruled Europe? Or did they rule Spain? Britain is part of Europe, can you give me some historical dates and literature showing they ruled Britain?

I believe the title I stated was "When The Moors Ruled IN Europe." Spain is IN Europe.
I didn't say they ruled in Britain, although Oxford was founded as a repository of intellectual, & scientific knowledge gleaned from the treasure trove of Islamic archives.

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Flourished? Debatable.

{LOL} If you say so. You are either in complete denial or simply ignorant. It's not surprising though, there has been alot of selective omission through the years. I have no doubt your education was probably as full of shit as your arguments. (I mean that in the sweetest way)  :-*

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What really sickens me about you is you are quick to commend muslims when they are the Empire builders. Oh for it is something to be praised!

Islam lifted Europe out of "the dark ages" giving rise to the period known as "The Renaissance" even if it was credited to Italy.

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You're not an hypocrite are you? You'd find it entirely acceptable Britain and the USA went around the world again building empires and allowing countries to flourish (Canada, USA, Australia, South Africa, India etc)?

What about the white Europeans conquering the Americas, with the knowledge and intellect the Europeans possessed several great and economically powerful countries arose. You accept this as OK right? Or are you to once again contradict your stance?

You're pseudo intellectual. You have no credentials in any topic... do you even have a formal education?

Aah that's right, for you do NOT!

If you say so.  ::)  Unlike YOU I don't feel compelled to trot out academic credentials (mispelled or otherwise) when mere facts suffice.

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I'd really appreciate you respond to this, instead of playing the lying coward role you normally do when backed into a corner you can't get out of.

What a rather limited paradigmn from which you operate.
Not all empires were built through blood, conquest, and barbarism,
...although many an empire has been destroyed by it.

Such a hostile little fellow you are. I hope I haven't burst your bubble too much by revealing that Islam gave birth to the European Renaissance, without which... well, let's not go there. I'll leave you with a few self-indulgent fantasies  :-*

Title: Re: Losing Muslim hearts and minds
Post by: Nordic Superman on June 26, 2007, 11:50:00 AM
Please read:

In the 8th century, nearly all the Iberian peninsula was quickly conquered (711–718) by mainly Berber Muslims (see Moors) from North Africa. These conquests were part of the expansion of the Islamic Umayyad Empire.[10] Only three small areas in the mountains of northern Spain managed to cling to their independence, Asturias, Navarra and Aragon.

Under Islam, Christians and Jews were recognised as "peoples of the book", and were free to practice their religion, but faced some discriminations. Conversion to Islam proceeded at a steadily increasing pace, starting with the aristocracy, as it offered an escape from the limitations and humiliations of their dhimmi status. By the 11th century Muslims were believed to have outnumbered Christians in Al-Andalus.[11]

The Muslim community in Spain was itself diverse and beset by social tensions. The Berber people of North Africa had provided the bulk of the armies and clashed with the Arab leadership from the Middle East.[12] Over time, large Moorish populations became established, especially in the Guadalquivir River valley, the coastal plain of Valencia, and (towards the end of this period) in the mountainous region of Granada.[11]

Cordoba, Muslim Spain's capital, was viewed as the richest and most sophisticated city of medieval Europe.[13] Mediterranean trade and cultural exchange flourished. Muslims imported a rich intellectual tradition from the Middle East and North Africa. Muslim and Jewish scholars played a major part in reviving and expanding classical Greek learning in Western Europe. Spain's romanised cultures interacted with Muslim and Jewish cultures in complex ways, giving Spain a distinctive culture.[11] Outside the cities, the land ownership system from Roman times remained largely intact as Muslim leaders rarely dispossessed landowners, and new crops and techniques led to a remarkable expansion of agriculture.

However, by the 11th century, Muslim holdings had fractured into rival Taifa kingdoms.[11] The arrival of the North African Muslim ruling empires of the Almoravids and the Almohads restored unity upon Muslim holdings, with a stricter, less tolerant application of Islam, but ultimately, after some initial successes in invading the north, proved unable to resist the increasing military strength of the Christian states.[4]



What a spectacle, you say the muslims empire building wasn't through "blood, conquest, and barbarism".

My god how much more incorrect could you be?

More here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spain

Note muslim spain was a precursor to something greater. There's always a precursor. You only give this one credit becuase it is islam, and you're a closet muslim.
Title: Re: Losing Muslim hearts and minds
Post by: 24KT on June 26, 2007, 11:59:47 AM
A "closet muslim"?  {ROTFLMAO} I've never heard that one before.

By the way, ...the Berbers were actually called in as military reinforcements when Granada was seiged.

Then as now, it appears peaceful moderates are losing ground to the fanatical extremists fertilized by the hostile actions of others.
Title: Re: Losing Muslim hearts and minds
Post by: Nordic Superman on June 26, 2007, 12:03:52 PM
A "closet muslim"?  {ROTFLMAO} I've never heard that one before.

By the way, ...the Berbers were actually called in as military reinforcements when Granada was seiged.

Then as now, it appears peaceful moderates are losing ground to the fanatical extremists fertilized by the hostile actions of others.

There's no moderation in islam, this is a coined term by western politically correct media.

How can the infallible word of god be moderated by man?

Do you mean to say: most muslims really aren't muslims, but call themselves muslims?
Title: Re: Losing Muslim hearts and minds
Post by: ToxicAvenger on June 26, 2007, 02:20:42 PM
lol, your analytical skills are exceptional. Have you considered applying for a career at Mi6? Hit me up and I can get the ball rolling for you brother!

Considering I haven't "had any in years", how about you tell me how much you want for your sister?

didn't ya just act all uppity for me getting personal...

douchebag  :-\

and no...i think you r prolly an ugly fat fuck..prove me wrong..

you wont  :-\
Title: Re: Losing Muslim hearts and minds
Post by: Nordic Superman on June 26, 2007, 02:46:52 PM
didn't ya just act all uppity for me getting personal...

douchebag  :-\

and no...i think you r prolly an ugly fat fuck..prove me wrong..

you wont  :-\

Oh let the sun beat down upon my face, stars to fill my dream
I am a traveler of both time and space, to be where I have been
To sit with elders of the gentle race, this world has seldom seen
They talk of days for which they sit and wait and all will be revealed
Title: Re: Losing Muslim hearts and minds
Post by: w8tlftr on June 26, 2007, 02:56:27 PM
Durka durka mohammed jihad!
Title: Re: Losing Muslim hearts and minds
Post by: ToxicAvenger on June 26, 2007, 02:58:43 PM
Oh let the sun beat down upon my face, stars to fill my dream
I am a traveler of both time and space, to be where I have been
To sit with elders of the gentle race, this world has seldom seen
They talk of days for which they sit and wait and all will be revealed

right...

cowadice..your last refuge from the complex..  :-\
Title: Re: Losing Muslim hearts and minds
Post by: Nordic Superman on June 26, 2007, 03:03:38 PM
right...

cowadice..your last refuge from the complex..  :-\

Hmm, 1% of getbig give personal information and pictures. I'm in the normal range pal.

You're the minority once again muslim, just how you like it!
Title: Re: Losing Muslim hearts and minds
Post by: ToxicAvenger on June 26, 2007, 03:26:01 PM
Hmm, 1% of getbig give personal information and pictures. I'm in the normal range pal.

You're the minority once again muslim, just how you like it!

the 1 % of good looking people.. ;)  the rest of yall r fat and ugly and its more than 1 %...check the picture board..there is a WHOLE BOARD dedicated to pix fatfuck..


...and not only you r ugly and fat you r also  a dumbfuck arentcha..i have told you about 20 times i dont believe in god..alah..buddah etc..

must suck to be autistic  :-\
Title: Re: Losing Muslim hearts and minds
Post by: Nordic Superman on June 26, 2007, 03:29:12 PM
the 1 % of good looking people..

Why did you post your picture then? ???

Told you again, I was blessed with a nordic jaw, blue eyes and the rest of the shit your mamma loves! :-*

I could pull up a shitload of pictures of ugly fuckers on getbig my freind. Do me a favour and post yours so that I don't have to go through getbig to prove my point.
Title: Re: Losing Muslim hearts and minds
Post by: ToxicAvenger on June 26, 2007, 09:48:53 PM


Told you again, I was blessed with a nordic jaw, blue eyes \


lies..

liar..fat..ugly  :-\
Title: Re: Losing Muslim hearts and minds
Post by: Nordic Superman on June 27, 2007, 02:18:34 AM
lies..

liar..fat..ugly  :-\

::)

Oh brother...
Title: Re: Losing Muslim hearts and minds
Post by: Hedgehog on June 27, 2007, 03:28:26 AM
There's no moderation in islam, this is a coined term by western politically correct media.

How can the infallible word of god be moderated by man?

Do you mean to say: most muslims really aren't muslims, but call themselves muslims?

Good point.

I'd like to elaborate:

Moderate muslims are in reality muslims who aren't prepared to go the whole nine yards to be a muslim.

It's some kind of half-assing.

-Hedge
Title: Re: Losing Muslim hearts and minds
Post by: ToxicAvenger on June 27, 2007, 03:28:53 AM
::)

Oh brother...


prove me wrong ..simple..

you r fat..n ugly..

prove me wrong..simple..

you cant  ;D
Title: Re: Losing Muslim hearts and minds
Post by: ToxicAvenger on June 27, 2007, 03:30:13 AM
Good point.

I'd like to elaborate:

Moderate muslims are in reality muslims who aren't prepared to go the whole nine yards to be a muslim.

It's some kind of half-assing.

-Hedge


hedgie hedgie hedgie..

read the koran..dont read online stuff..go to a mosque and get a free one..translated..

you r smarter than this ijit...

Title: Re: Losing Muslim hearts and minds
Post by: Hedgehog on June 27, 2007, 03:42:55 AM
Losing Muslim hearts and minds
Why the White House should worry about a new poll suggesting that even allied Muslim countries believe the U.S. wants to weaken and divide the Islamic world.


EDITORIAL - The Los Angeles Times, April 25, 2007

IT HAS BEEN a long and bloody spring in Iraq and Afghanistan, but on the battlefield of ideas, the news is even less encouraging. A survey released Tuesday by WorldPublic-Opinion.org suggests that the struggle for Muslim hearts and minds may already be lost.

Overwhelming majorities of those surveyed in Egypt, Morocco, Pakistan and Indonesia say they believe that the U.S. seeks to "weaken and divide the Islamic world" and to "achieve political and military domination to control Middle East resources." Most say they think that Al Qaeda defends the dignity of Muslims by standing up to the U.S., and most share the terrorist organization's goal of evicting the U.S. military from the Mideast.

More alarming is the support among citizens of allied countries for attacking U.S. troops in Iraq. That includes 91% of those polled in Egypt, 68% in Morocco, 35% in Pakistan and 19% in Indonesia. Approval rates for attacks on U.S. troops based in Afghanistan and the Persian Gulf states were almost as high. (The polling was conducted between December and February, with support from the University of Maryland.)

These numbers should be memorized by members of Congress and President Bush as they gird this week for the latest battle over Iraq war funding and timetables for troop withdrawal. One of the administration's key rationales for deploying troops longer than the Democratic Congress wishes is to prevent Iraq from becoming an Al Qaeda beachhead. To the extent that the U.S. presence in the Middle East increases support for Al Qaeda, as the poll suggests, will prolonging the American military mission be counterproductive to the broader struggle against radical Islamic fanaticism and terror?

The pollsters found two rays of hope relevant to Washington strategists. First, large majorities of the Muslims polled strongly disapprove of attacks on U.S. civilians. Second, probably due to the carnage that he has inflicted on fellow Muslims, Osama Bin Laden's ratings are falling. In Jordan, for example, 60% expressed confidence in Bin Laden in 2005, but after the Al Qaeda suicide bombing of a Jordanian wedding party, confidence fell to 34% in 2006, according to pollster Steven Kull. Still, the latest survey finds large majorities expressing either positive or mixed feelings about Bin Laden.

Many apparently rationalize their support for Al Qaeda by concluding that it wasn't behind 9/11. Despite Bin Laden's televised boasting, fewer than one in four surveyed — and just 2% of Pakistanis — say they think that Al Qaeda masterminded the attacks. This depressing landscape suggests a steep uphill climb for the United States. Yet persuading Muslims of the merits of democratic over theocratic rule remains Washington's only viable long-term strategy to win the generational war against Islamic extremists.

The poll is interesting.

But polls are polls as well. They aren't too reliable. With that being said...

Muslims seems to approve of USA and its people, but not of the troops fighting in Iraq.

I have great concerns about USA (and the Western World) alienating itself from countries where Islam exists.

Because it helps extreme Islamology and Muslim terrorism grow.

Only by building diplomatic relations, economic ties, help the democratic tradition, will we ever fight Islam permanently.

Because Democracy is anti-Islamic. In a democracy, Islam will ultimately cease to exist.

Making enemies in Asia and Africa is a bad move. Short-term, and even more, long-term.

For anyone who is interested, read Clash of Civilizations, by Huntington.

-Hedge
Title: Re: Losing Muslim hearts and minds
Post by: Nordic Superman on June 27, 2007, 03:46:35 AM
Only by building diplomatic relations, economic ties, help the democratic tradition, will we ever fight Islam permanently.

Because Democracy is anti-Islamic. In a democracy, Islam will ultimately cease to exist.

Making enemies in Asia and Africa is a bad move. Short-term, and even more, long-term.

For anyone who is interested, read Clash of Civilizations, by Huntington.

-Hedge

This is absolutely true, but not always possible. Obviously nothing is that simple, but democracy undermining islam is the key.

And yes, that's an execellent read.

hedgie hedgie hedgie..

read the koran..dont read online stuff..go to a mosque and get a free one..translated..

you r smarter than this ijit...

Don't insult Hedge, and everyone else for that matter. The koran is the koran. Anything I have EVER posted can be found in any unaltered copy of the koran - in ANY dialect that it is translated.
Title: Re: Losing Muslim hearts and minds
Post by: ToxicAvenger on June 27, 2007, 03:53:09 AM
i STILL dont see a pic Mr nord  ::)

lets see them blue eyes..

liar...

and nord..i can post stuff from muslim fundie sites that have the bible translated as evil..

seriously..i'm sorry a brownie fucked yer girl..i feel yer pain...
Title: Re: Losing Muslim hearts and minds
Post by: Hedgehog on June 27, 2007, 04:07:47 AM
i STILL dont see a pic Mr nord  ::)

lets see them blue eyes..

liar...

and nord..i can post stuff from muslim fundie sites that have the bible translated as evil..

seriously..i'm sorry a brownie fucked yer girl..i feel yer pain...

FWIW, I've read a very acclaimed translation of the Qur'an. Perfect? No. But likely as good as it gets. Acknowledged by many Muslims as accurate.

We got to read parts of it in high school, we study all world religions in Sweden, at least briefly. I took it home and read the whole thing.

-Hedge
Title: Re: Losing Muslim hearts and minds
Post by: Nordic Superman on June 27, 2007, 05:44:35 AM
i STILL dont see a pic Mr nord  ::)

lets see them blue eyes..

liar...

and nord..i can post stuff from muslim fundie sites that have the bible translated as evil..

seriously..i'm sorry a brownie fucked yer girl..i feel yer pain...

What do I care about the bible? Post all you want, it's not my prerogative to refute the bible isn't evil/ideological, you may very well be right, and probably are. But, must I point out that your message is mutually exclusive of the one we are discussing? You have no argument if you defend islam by mentioning the bible every... fucking... time...

But, on the topic of the bible... when contrasting the figures of Jesus and muhammad, there's a big difference. The whole theory of Jesus is one I admire, muhammed, I do not.

These ad hominem attacks you continue to use are fucking embarrassing laddy boy!

Oh... and even if I wasn't Norwegian in decent, me being born in England still leaves the chances of me having blue eyes very likely.

On the topic of eyes... the sexiest women known to man are "brownies" with green eyes :-* Nubians, pakis, indians etc with green eyes are out of this world!
Title: Re: Losing Muslim hearts and minds
Post by: ToxicAvenger on June 27, 2007, 09:54:51 AM
I have EVER posted can be found in any unaltered copy of the koran - in ANY dialect that it is translated.

thats what YOU say...a nameless faceless hatemonger  :-\


you r no better than the taliban...


Title: Re: Losing Muslim hearts and minds
Post by: ToxicAvenger on June 27, 2007, 09:56:47 AM
What do I care about the bible? Post all you want, it's not my prerogative to refute the bible isn't evil/ideological, you may very well be right, and probably are. But, must I point out that your message is mutually exclusive of the one we are discussing? You have no argument if you defend islam by mentioning the bible every... fucking... time...

But, on the topic of the bible... when contrasting the figures of Jesus and muhammad, there's a big difference. The whole theory of Jesus is one I admire, muhammed, I do not.

These ad hominem attacks you continue to use are fucking embarrassing laddy boy!

Oh... and even if I wasn't Norwegian in decent, me being born in England still leaves the chances of me having blue eyes very likely.

On the topic of eyes... the sexiest women known to man are "brownies" with green eyes :-* Nubians, pakis, indians etc with green eyes are out of this world!

the fat guy tries a back paddle..

you are NOT norwegian or english...PROVE it if you r..

just like you post lies about islam constantly you have made up this mythic good looking guy thats supposed 2 be you..pfft..prove it..
Title: Re: Losing Muslim hearts and minds
Post by: headhuntersix on June 27, 2007, 10:06:22 AM
When an important figure in the Islamic community..one that these wack jobs and the common folks will listen too..stands up and demands that the terrorists stop, demand that they stop 'hijacking" Islam, stop killing in the name of Allah, stopping suicide bombings, honor killings etc etc etc...then maybe we'll all stop blaming Islam.
Title: Re: Losing Muslim hearts and minds
Post by: ToxicAvenger on June 27, 2007, 10:27:43 AM
When an important figure in the Islamic community..one that these wack jobs and the common folks will listen too..stands up and demands that the terrorists stop, demand that they stop 'hijacking" Islam, stop killing in the name of Allah, stopping suicide bombings, honor killings etc etc etc...then maybe we'll all stop blaming Islam.

islam does not have a pope..

each individual is left to interpret the koran in his/her own way..

yeesh...and thats the basics..

and if you are blaming islam..then STOP BEING A HYPOCRITE AND BUYING YOUR OIL FROM THE MUSLIMS IF YA HATE EM SO MUCH, AND CONTINUE BUYING FROM EM THEN,  YOU R ENABLING TERRORISTS ...RIGHT???...



o wait..you cant..

i hate hypocrites..today  right NOW the car you drive is possible cause of some muslim fuckface..  ;)

i'm an athiest...but i HATE hypocrites..
Title: Re: Losing Muslim hearts and minds
Post by: Camel Jockey on June 27, 2007, 10:35:02 AM

prove me wrong ..simple..

you r fat..n ugly..

prove me wrong..simple..

you cant  ;D

You do this with every because you can't really argue the point at hand.

It does not matter what he looks like, or who supposedly fucked his girl.

You just don't want to be critical of something practiced by your parents.. You keep drawing comparisons with christianity and what not, and also resort to constant ad hominem attacks.

If you have nothing to bring to the debate, then don't post.
Title: Re: Losing Muslim hearts and minds
Post by: headhuntersix on June 27, 2007, 10:35:10 AM
Its possible because they happen to live there..the oil is pumped by Brits/Americans etc etc etc.....dumb argument froma smart kid. If they did have  supreme Imam maybe we could get somewhere but whatever. How about a well respected one..nobody has stepped up.
Title: Re: Losing Muslim hearts and minds
Post by: ToxicAvenger on June 27, 2007, 10:39:36 AM
.

You just don't want to be critical of something practiced by your parents..

well according to him your parents are low life terrorists also that need be killed..

 ;)


i wonder why ya dont stand up for em...

you must hate em i guess..

camel do you hate your parents?  i mean ya do post hatefull things asgainst muslims...soo i put 2 and 2 together..

i guess you hate your parents.

yes?  i expect an answer..
Title: Re: Losing Muslim hearts and minds
Post by: Camel Jockey on June 27, 2007, 10:42:15 AM
No I don't.

I don't believe in Islam's teachings.

But why do you keep resorting to shifting the topic to someone's personal life? What does it matter what he looks like, or what I look like?

Like I said before, if you are gonna keep resorting to attacking someone and their family, then please do us all a favor and don't engage in the debates.
Title: Re: Losing Muslim hearts and minds
Post by: ToxicAvenger on June 27, 2007, 10:42:33 AM
Its possible because they happen to live there..the oil is pumped by Brits/Americans etc etc etc.....dumb argument froma smart kid. If they did have  supreme Imam maybe we could get somewhere but whatever. How about a well respected one..nobody has stepped up.

they dont want the brits and americans there..

mon ami...i rebel when rebelion is due..you cant pick and choose and then expect soeone else not to pick n choose...thats hypocritical..

its not a dumb argument my man..its like a lot of people seem to hate muslims but prez bush is good friends with the osama family..yet these repbs like bush..

see where i'm getting at..

its all about $...
Title: Re: Losing Muslim hearts and minds
Post by: Nordic Superman on June 27, 2007, 10:43:26 AM
Its possible because they happen to live there..the oil is pumped by Brits/Americans etc etc etc.....dumb argument froma smart kid. If they did have  supreme Imam maybe we could get somewhere but whatever. How about a well respected one..nobody has stepped up.

He's talking out of his anus.

Islam has a lot of micro-"popes".

For example: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ayatollah

Funny tho, the only shit that comes out of these fuckers mouths are fatwa's (e.g. the famous one being Salman Rushdie (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salman_Rushdie#The_Satanic_Verses_and_the_fatwa)).
Title: Re: Losing Muslim hearts and minds
Post by: ToxicAvenger on June 27, 2007, 10:44:23 AM
No I don't.

why do you keep resorting to shifting the topic to someone's personal life?

here is your ansewer dumbass...you say hatefull things about muslims..

if you hate muslims then you must hate your parents that are muslims also..

either that orrr

1) you lie to  be white ..pathetic
2) you r a hypocrite..cause if you hate muslims you also hate your parents..



which is it>???


Title: Re: Losing Muslim hearts and minds
Post by: ToxicAvenger on June 27, 2007, 10:44:57 AM
He's talking out of his anus.

Islam has a lot of micro-"popes".



self appointed..

pwned!  ;)
Title: Re: Losing Muslim hearts and minds
Post by: Camel Jockey on June 27, 2007, 10:45:13 AM


its all about $...

Of course and they further their own demise with the islam garbage.

And about Rushdie.. wasn't he just knighted? That sparked a lot of outrage all over the world.
Title: Re: Losing Muslim hearts and minds
Post by: Nordic Superman on June 27, 2007, 10:45:29 AM
well according to him your parents are low life terrorists also that need be killed..

False. You're a fucking clown.
Title: Re: Losing Muslim hearts and minds
Post by: ToxicAvenger on June 27, 2007, 10:46:21 AM
Of course and they further their own demise with the islam garbage.


do your parents know that you hate islam/them?
lets not side track...i'm NOT letting this go
Title: Re: Losing Muslim hearts and minds
Post by: Nordic Superman on June 27, 2007, 10:46:36 AM
here is your ansewer dumbass...you say hatefull things about muslims..

if you hate muslims then you must hate your parents that are muslims also..

either that orrr

1) you lie to  be white ..pathetic
2) you r a hypocrite..cause if you hate muslims you also hate your parents..



which is it>???


Have you moved from coke to crack? ??? Why the downgrade? ???
Title: Re: Losing Muslim hearts and minds
Post by: Camel Jockey on June 27, 2007, 10:46:58 AM
here is your ansewer dumbass...you say hatefull things about muslims..

if you hate muslims then you must hate your parents that are muslims also..

either that orrr

1) you lie to  be white ..pathetic
2) you r a hypocrite..cause if you hate muslims you also hate your parents..



which is it>???




I'm a brown dude.. When have I lied about my ethnic background?

And when did I say I hate all muslims? I think Islam is wrong and it's teachings are dangerous.
Title: Re: Losing Muslim hearts and minds
Post by: ToxicAvenger on June 27, 2007, 10:47:09 AM
False. You're a fucking clown.

hey you said once that al muslims need to be exterminated off the face of this planet and got banned for it.. :-\
Title: Re: Losing Muslim hearts and minds
Post by: headhuntersix on June 27, 2007, 10:47:15 AM
Look what these pricks are doing to England...its a disgrace. Its all hate hate hate....go to the average Protestant or Catholic church during services..what will u here. Compare that to the average Mosque in Pakistan. Lemme guess...kill Westerners, America is the devil. These people suck.
Title: Re: Losing Muslim hearts and minds
Post by: Camel Jockey on June 27, 2007, 10:48:04 AM
lol my pictures are here for everyone to see.. how am I lying about my background?  :-\
Title: Re: Losing Muslim hearts and minds
Post by: Nordic Superman on June 27, 2007, 10:49:11 AM
hey you said once that al muslims need to be exterminated off the face of this planet and got banned for it.. :-\

I told you, I made a thread titled "Johnny Apollo getting his daily dosage of fruit", in the thread was a picture of a guy dildo-ing himself with a banana.

Some hard-up mod put me in timeout for that.
Title: Re: Losing Muslim hearts and minds
Post by: ToxicAvenger on June 27, 2007, 10:53:25 AM
Look what these pricks are doing to England...its a disgrace. Its all hate hate hate....go to the average Protestant or Catholic church during services..what will u here. Compare that to the average Mosque in Pakistan. Lemme guess...kill Westerners, America is the devil. These people suck.

i'm sorry whats happening to england mate..i really am...my parents dont consider these low class cu nts muslims..

thts like me telling ya the snake handlers of amereeka are muslims  or the  american n iggers that run back and forth in church screaming that they "feel the powah" are christians


...understand??

these low life cu nts used to invade our naighborhoods in paki and in paki  we'd send a few guards over and get 1 of em beat close to death and move em along never to return...yall have fucked up laws man..and its your own fucking fault..we WE WOULD NOT TOLERATE SUCH SHIT IN KARACHI....o shit i got a call mate..i gotta cut this off... :-\
Title: Re: Losing Muslim hearts and minds
Post by: Nordic Superman on June 27, 2007, 10:59:20 AM
i'm sorry whats happening to england mate..i really am...my parents dont consider these low class cu nts muslims..

thts like me telling ya the snake handlers of amereeka are muslims  or the  american n iggers that run back and forth in church screaming that they "feel the powah" are christians


...understand??

these low life cu nts used to invade our naighborhoods in paki and in paki  we'd send a few guards over and get 1 of em beat close to death and move em along never to return...yall have fucked up laws man..and its your own fucking fault..we WE WOULD NOT TOLERATE SUCH SHIT IN KARACHI....o shit i got a call mate..i gotta cut this off... :-\

Can anyone translate and interpret this "Drivelish" to "English" please? ???
Title: Re: Losing Muslim hearts and minds
Post by: ToxicAvenger on June 27, 2007, 11:01:53 AM
Can anyone translate and interpret this "Drivelish" to "English" please? ???

sorry i didn't post in norwegian ::)
Title: Re: Losing Muslim hearts and minds
Post by: headhuntersix on June 27, 2007, 11:02:44 AM
No snake handler..of which there are very few , blow up buildings..issue fatwa's or hurt anybody...even the idiots protesting military funerals are non-violent. As far as Black folks who go to church...who the  hell are they bothering. I don't remember any Southern Baptsist suicide bombers..get a grip.
Title: Re: Losing Muslim hearts and minds
Post by: youandme on June 27, 2007, 11:16:39 AM
No snake handler..of which there are very few , blow up buildings..issue fatwa's or hurt anybody...even the idiots protesting military funerals are non-violent. As far as Black folks who go to church...who the  hell are they bothering. I don't remember any Southern Baptsist suicide bombers..get a grip.

right, evangelists are like carpetbaggers, they thrive off the money, can't compare snake handlers to people that strap themselves up with a nuke in the name of God.
Title: Re: Losing Muslim hearts and minds
Post by: ToxicAvenger on June 27, 2007, 11:21:23 AM
No snake handler..of which there are very few , blow up buildings..issue fatwa's or hurt anybody...even the idiots protesting military funerals are non-violent. As far as Black folks who go to church...who the  hell are they bothering. I don't remember any Southern Baptsist suicide bombers..get a grip.

wasn't hitler a christian??



....religion of peace...riiiight... ::)
Title: Re: Losing Muslim hearts and minds
Post by: youandme on June 27, 2007, 11:24:35 AM
wasn't hitler a christian??



....religion of peace...riiiight... ::)

no he was an atheist....errr jewish
Title: Re: Losing Muslim hearts and minds
Post by: ToxicAvenger on June 27, 2007, 11:28:30 AM
no he was an atheist....errr jewish

i hought he wus catholic....

post me a linx mate..
Title: Re: Losing Muslim hearts and minds
Post by: Nordic Superman on June 27, 2007, 11:29:18 AM
Junny is really fucking cracking up today! This shit is priceless.

He's one insult away from committing a suicide attack if you ask me!

I've reported his behaviour to the CIA tho!
Title: Re: Losing Muslim hearts and minds
Post by: youandme on June 27, 2007, 11:33:29 AM
i hought he wus catholic....

post me a linx mate..

I don't have a link  + they are all hearsay....books have been written about him being a christian + jew, switching to atheist the last few months before his death, creating his own aryan religion most books written on the subject point to his reference of protestant over catholicism, pre prison time

BUT a personality research conducted by swedish scientists found that German christians were the ones that SUPPORTED his VIEWS.


Title: Re: Losing Muslim hearts and minds
Post by: headhuntersix on June 27, 2007, 11:35:57 AM
I'm pretty sure Hitler wasn't a practicing anything.....stupid argument again. These bastards are doing everthing in the name of Allah. Nobody mentioned invading Russia as the will of God. Great..I'm defending the Nazis's.  ::). Anyway some Nazi's were Catholic such as Reinhart Hydreich, big deal..he didn't engineer the final solution as a mission from God. Stop comparing these bastards to Christians in any way shape or form. Until I'm issued a white sheet with a red maltese cross...I'm serving my country, not God.
Title: Re: Losing Muslim hearts and minds
Post by: youandme on June 27, 2007, 11:46:59 AM
I'm pretty sure Hitler wasn't a practicing anything.....stupid argument again. These bastards are doing everthing in the name of Allah. Nobody mentioned invading Russia as the will of God. Great..I'm defending the Nazis's.  ::). Anyway some Nazi's were Catholic such as Reinhart Hydreich, big deal..he didn't engineer the final solution as a mission from God. Stop comparing these bastards to Christians in any way shape or form. Until I'm issued a white sheet with a red maltese cross...I'm serving my country, not God.

ok back on track....\something something muslim
Title: Re: Losing Muslim hearts and minds
Post by: headhuntersix on June 27, 2007, 11:50:57 AM
Pitching insults is no fun. Unless its Viking Power ;D
Title: Re: Losing Muslim hearts and minds
Post by: Cavalier22 on June 27, 2007, 03:49:37 PM
hitler was born a catholic, but in fact despised christianity and other religions. he sometimes referred to the lord in his speeches but like most of his speeches and actions they were just to gain more power for himself or keep the image up of himself as a messianic figure for Germany. If anthing his religion was volkish aryanism.

The religion is Islam is a throwback to the barbaric ages.  It is really dangerous to think of these fanatical muslim countries getting their hands on some serious weaponry capable of murdering millions.  Of course they would have to get it from somewhere else or develop it with all kinds of outside help as their societies do not produce the number or quality of scientists that are needed for such endeavors.

What invention has come out of Muslim countries in the past 100 years, besides IED"s or roadside bombs?  Speak up
Title: Re: Losing Muslim hearts and minds
Post by: Dos Equis on June 27, 2007, 04:17:35 PM
Pitching insults is no fun. Unless its Viking Power ;D

He's gone . . . and here under another gimmick.  You must have scared him away.  :)   
Title: Re: Losing Muslim hearts and minds
Post by: ToxicAvenger on June 27, 2007, 07:28:06 PM
I'm pretty sure Hitler wasn't a practicing anything.....stupid argument again. These bastards are doing everthing in the name of Allah.

NOTICE..

you r ACTUALLY DEFENDING HITLER  ::)
Title: Re: Losing Muslim hearts and minds
Post by: Hedgehog on June 27, 2007, 07:37:04 PM
NOTICE..

you r ACTUALLY DEFENDING HITLER  ::)

I don't see him defending Hitler.

It looks like he's claiming Hitler didn't have a religious agenda when he made his crimes against humanity.

And that is something entirely different from defending Hitler's actions.

I suggest you read his post again, and I'm sure you will agree. :)

-Hedge
Title: Re: Losing Muslim hearts and minds
Post by: trab on June 27, 2007, 07:52:44 PM
I'm pretty sure Hitler claimed divine support for his beliefs, every F'n nutcase does.
Title: Re: Losing Muslim hearts and minds
Post by: Hedgehog on June 27, 2007, 08:11:31 PM
I'm pretty sure Hitler claimed divine support for his beliefs, every F'n nutcase does.

He did it in several speeches.

But it is also questionable if Hitler was religious.

Still, Hitler had a Catholic background, and likely considered himself Christian:

"My feelings as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and summoned men to fight against them and who, God's truth! was greatest not as a sufferer but as a fighter. In boundless love as a Christian and as a man I read through the passage which tells us how the Lord at last rose in His might and seized the scourge to drive out of the Temple the brood of vipers and adders. How terrific was His fight for the world against the Jewish poison. To-day, after two thousand years, with deepest emotion I recognize more profoundly than ever before the fact that it was for this that He had to shed His blood upon the Cross. As a Christian I have no duty to allow myself to be cheated, but I have the duty to be a fighter for truth and justice... And if there is anything which could demonstrate that we are acting rightly it is the distress that daily grows. For as a Christian I have also a duty to my own people." -Hitler

"...we National Socialists must hold unflinchingly to our aim in foreign policy, namely to secure for the German people the land and soil to which they are entitles on this earth.  And this action is the only one which, before God and or German posterity, would make any sacrifice of blood seem justified: before God, since we have been put on this earth with the mission of eternal struggle for our daily bread..."

-Adolf Hitler (Mein Kampf)


This is very interesting, because if Hitler acknowledged Jesus as his saviour, and God as his only God, he, according to Christianity, is in heaven right now.


-Hedge
Title: Re: Losing Muslim hearts and minds
Post by: ToxicAvenger on June 28, 2007, 01:06:01 AM
Junny is really fucking cracking up today! This shit is priceless.

He's one insult away from committing a suicide attack if you ask me!

I've reported his behaviour to the CIA tho!

www.cia.org

you have no idea how many times i've forwarded your shit to them..esp that epic post about you wanting all muslims on this planet dead..

n ooo  www.asmed.com  thats where i work and i've taught dod folks there..

NOW tell us all whose the bitch..
you know where i live
you know where i work
you know my name..

what do we know of you?


nameless bitch  :)
Title: Re: Losing Muslim hearts and minds
Post by: ToxicAvenger on June 28, 2007, 01:08:06 AM
. Stop comparing these bastards to Christians in any way shape or form.

now you sound like my parents..who r muslim  ;)


...understand my point ?
Title: Re: Losing Muslim hearts and minds
Post by: Nordic Superman on June 28, 2007, 01:18:55 AM
www.cia.org

you have no idea how many times i've forwarded your shit to them..esp that epic post about you wanting all muslims on this planet dead..

n ooo  www.asmed.com  thats where i work and i've taught dod folks there..

NOW tell us all whose the bitch..
you know where i live
you know where i work
you know my name..

what do we know of you?


nameless bitch  :)

Can you direct me to this "epic" post please? ???

You know where I live: Manchester
Not telling you were I work, too dangerous.
My name is: Þórr
Title: Re: Losing Muslim hearts and minds
Post by: Cavalier22 on June 28, 2007, 05:21:58 AM
hitler never mentioned christ or the lord or religion unless it was in a public forum.  Remember, he was always preaching peace and making pacts with countires which he would inevitably break. his private comments about religion were those of contempt. After all, how could the "turn the other cheek" fit in his with racial warrior (and insane) beliefs
Title: Re: Losing Muslim hearts and minds
Post by: Hedgehog on June 28, 2007, 05:59:31 AM
hitler never mentioned christ or the lord or religion unless it was in a public forum.  Remember, he was always preaching peace and making pacts with countires which he would inevitably break. his private comments about religion were those of contempt. After all, how could the "turn the other cheek" fit in his with racial warrior (and insane) beliefs

I am not comparing Bush to Hitler.

But one could argue, how does "turn the other cheek" fit into Bush's "War on Terrorism" ideology?

How does "turn the other cheek" fit into any kind of military strategy?

It's a good question, and instead of trying to tweak the Biblical word, and try to interpret it so it means whatever, perhaps Christians around the world should ask themselves what they actually believe in.

It's always interesting to see people who call themselves Christians asking for blood, recent example being the Benoit tragedy. Many individuals, referring to themselves as Christians were hot blooded about the whole thing and have stated Benoit should've suffered et al.

Remember guys, it's turn the other cheek.

-Hedge
Title: Re: Losing Muslim hearts and minds
Post by: trab on June 28, 2007, 06:21:46 AM
I am not comparing Bush to Hitler.

But one could argue, how does "turn the other cheek" fit into Bush's "War on Terrorism" ideology?

How does "turn the other cheek" fit into any kind of military strategy?

It's a good question, and instead of trying to tweak the Biblical word, and try to interpret it so it means whatever, perhaps Christians around the world should ask themselves what they actually believe in.

It's always interesting to see people who call themselves Christians asking for blood, recent example being the Benoit tragedy. Many individuals, referring to themselves as Christians were hot blooded about the whole thing and have stated Benoit should've suffered et al.

Remember guys, it's turn the other cheek.

-Hedge

Hey Hedge, another thing that a lot of "Christians" need to get thru they Head is...

The Bible been translated for THAOUSANDS OF YEARS THRU SEVERAL LANGUAGES.

Eg: Your reference to "Turn the other cheek".  Its my understanding (a Biblical scholar said this) that the...
"Turn the other cheek thing don't mean what people today take it as".  It was meant as a insult in their day.
Like a Na.Na.Na.NANA... You cant Hurt me,  Kind of trip.

Rich man and Camel thru the eye of a needle is another. Needle was the entry area to a bazaar.
Title: Re: Losing Muslim hearts and minds
Post by: ToxicAvenger on June 28, 2007, 12:22:18 PM
hitler never mentioned christ or the lord or religion unless it was in a public forum. 

hmm so in your christian mind its ok to kill as long as ya keep the ajenda hidden..

VERY bush of ya..   ;)

PS..\ what i put in bold is how 99% of the muslim sees christians as...

Title: Re: Losing Muslim hearts and minds
Post by: trab on June 28, 2007, 01:41:40 PM
hmm so in your christian mind its ok to kill as long as ya keep the ajenda hidden..

VERY bush of ya..   ;)

PS..\ what i put in bold is how 99% of the muslim sees christians as...



I like most of what ya got J.

The "Agenda" is clear to anyone w/ a gram of working brain matter - World Oil securety from a Fringe Group of Stone age Nut Cases. Plain and simple. We wouldnt be in the region long otherwise.
Title: Re: Losing Muslim hearts and minds
Post by: 24KT on June 29, 2007, 11:55:05 AM
I am not comparing Bush to Hitler.

(http://www.jaguarenterprises.net/images/rotflmao.gif)

Sorry, ...but this little disclaimer makes me almost pee myself with laughter.
You're lucky you included it, ...or I would be riding your butt harder than Seabiscuit.  ;D