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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: Marty Champions on June 23, 2007, 11:22:52 AM
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after a few years of training. just look at the mr. getbig competition we all look about evenly muscled for our structure some of us are taller or shorter. some are a little more ripped in some places than others. its all basically the same. and the best physique is really in the eye of the beholder. its funny when people say oh so and so is much more ripped or big or when i post a pic on here everyother day i either get oh your juiced or oh your off cycle lol everyone looks like shit unflexed or unposed or candid. people who juice just waddle around and look like shit
we all look like shit unflexed for us naturals or look like we dont even workout. thats a fact a little pump here or there everything looks different. flaring out your arms everything changes, its stupid and simple.. look at the mr getbig comp we all have monster 14 inch arms. we look normal if we werent flexing. some are obese like squad father and you really look bad when you are that fat, yet he has the same amount of muscle as anyone on here.
no one really has superior genetics, only a superior mindset. naturals all have very good proportions. its all about the gays personal preference when judging physiques.
same with girls they are all the same really all the small ones look alike all the blondes look alike they are all look very fuckable they all vary and they can all look different at any given time depending on the light.
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monster 14" arms?
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FUCKIN' AYE!!!!!!!!!!!!
I feel dumber just for clicking on this thread......
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Can't listen to anyone who doesn't know the difference between 'there' and 'their'.
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after a few years of training. just look at the mr. getbig competition we all look about evenly muscled for our structure some of us are taller or shorter. some are a little more ripped in some places than others. its all basically the same. and the best physique is really in the eye of the beholder. its funny when people say oh so and so is much more ripped or big or when i post a pic on here everyother day i either get oh your juiced or oh your off cycle lol everyone looks like shit unflexed or unposed or candid. people who juice just waddle around and look like shit
we all look like shit unflexed for us naturals or look like we dont even workout. thats a fact a little pump here or there everything looks different. flaring out your arms everything changes, its stupid and simple.. look at the mr getbig comp we all have monster 14 inch arms. we look normal if we werent flexing. some are obese like squad father and you really look bad when you are that fat, yet he has the same amount of muscle as anyone on here.
no one really has superior genetics, only a superior mindset. naturals all have very good proportions. its all about the gays personal preference when judging physiques.
same with girls they are all the same really all the small ones look alike all the blondes look alike they are all look very fuckable they all vary and they can all look different at any given time depending on the light.
hahahaha, you're obsessed with me you big scarecrow ;D seems that my name finds it's way into every one of your posts, i'm gonna have to claim you as a dependant on next years W2's. ;D
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hahahaha, you're obsessed with me you big scarecrow ;D seems that my name finds it's way into every one of your posts, i'm gonna have to claim you as a dependant on next years W2's. ;D
hahaha, the Squadfather rules the minds of many getbiggers!
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I thought the squadfather and daddywaddy were friends....Squadfather must have called him out on juicing ;D
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I thought the squadfather and daddywaddy were friends....Squadfather must have called him out on juicing ;D
no i told him that he was losing too much weight and looking skinny and he took it personally and got angry but the truth is that he looked tiny in that clip in the garage doing curls and that he looked much, much better bigger.
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no i told him that he was losing too much weight and looking skinny and he took it personally and got angry but the truth is that he looked tiny in that clip in the garage doing curls and that he looked much, much better bigger.
This is true.. He did lose size!
Another strike against adonis' principles.
Daddywaddy got too caught up in trying to get ripped.. the guy was fine before and a lot bigger.
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I thought the squadfather and daddywaddy were friends....Squadfather must have called him out on juicing ;D
Now you're gonna have to hate Waddy king queer!
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no i told him that he was losing too much weight and looking skinny and he took it personally and got angry but the truth is that he looked tiny in that clip in the garage doing curls and that he looked much, much better bigger.
Hey Squab! I bet you love when NYC bows down? Look at the cock worshippers you have following you around...
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The sad reality of this thread, is that DW thought long and hard (as much as is possible with his miniscule brain) about this thread topic and I'm sure he thought he really was onto something. However, he has fallen short again and reinforced his village idiot status :-\
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squad father in your realm you are superior to me
you are in my dreams i think you are the antichrist
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The sad reality of this thread, is that DW thought long and hard (as much as is possible with his miniscule brain) about this thread topic and I'm sure he thought he really was onto something. However, he has fallen short again and reinforced his village idiot status :-\
im all about status, the more the better regardless of good or bad i am your daddywaddy
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Whatever blows your hair back Corky
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hahaha, the Squadfather rules the minds of many getbiggers!
wrong pic, here's the real one:
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DW needs to hit the gear again.
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DW needs to hit the gear again.
already did, now he needs to lay off the crack.
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monster 14" arms?
man everyones arm is only 14" inches
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poor bugger has a good physique but a f#!*#d up brain
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No leggs, no life.
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im all about status, the more the better regardless of good or bad i am your daddywaddy
is that why you live with your mom and unload drywall for a living at age 25? status?
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after a few years of training. just look at the Mr. getbig competition we all look about evenly muscled for our structure some of us are taller or shorter. some are a little more ripped in some places than others. its all basically the same. and the best physique is really in the eye of the beholder. its funny when people say oh so and so is much more ripped or big or when i post a pica on here everyother day i either get oh your juiced or oh your off cycle Lil everyone looks like shit inflexed or unopposed or candid. people who juice just waddle around and look like shit
we all look like shit inflexed for us naturals or look like we dint even workout. thats a fact a little pump here or there everything looks different. flaring out your arms everything changes, its stupid and simple.. look at the Mr getbig comp we all have monster 14 inch arms. we look normal if we weren't flexing. some are obese like squad father and you really look bad when you are that fat, yet he has the same amount of muscle as anyone on here.
no one really has superior genetics, only a superior mindset. naturals all have very good proportions. its all about the gays personal preference when judging physiques.
same with girls they are all the same really all the small ones look alike all the blonde's look alike they are all look very fuckable they all vary and they can all look different at any given time depending on the light.
In my experience I agree that naturals do not vary much. I think it is important for younger guys to realize this and not hope to become "the" only natural mass monster and become disappointed. It seems conditioning sets naturals apart. There are obviously exceptions. Solid post!!
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In my experience I agree that naturals do not vary much. I think it is important for younger guys to realize this and not hope to become "the" only natural mass monster and become disappointed. It seems conditioning sets naturals apart. There are obviously exceptions. Solid post!!
What the hell are you saying? That a natural never improves from the time he first touches a weight?
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is that why you live with your mom and unload drywall for a living at age 25? status?
ZING!
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after a few years of training. just look at the mr. getbig competition we all look about evenly muscled for our structure some of us are taller or shorter. some are a little more ripped in some places than others. its all basically the same. and the best physique is really in the eye of the beholder. its funny when people say oh so and so is much more ripped or big or when i post a pic on here everyother day i either get oh your juiced or oh your off cycle lol everyone looks like shit unflexed or unposed or candid. people who juice just waddle around and look like shit
we all look like shit unflexed for us naturals or look like we dont even workout. thats a fact a little pump here or there everything looks different. flaring out your arms everything changes, its stupid and simple.. look at the mr getbig comp we all have monster 14 inch arms. we look normal if we werent flexing. some are obese like squad father and you really look bad when you are that fat, yet he has the same amount of muscle as anyone on here.
no one really has superior genetics, only a superior mindset. naturals all have very good proportions. its all about the gays personal preference when judging physiques.
same with girls they are all the same really all the small ones look alike all the blondes look alike they are all look very fuckable they all vary and they can all look different at any given time depending on the light.
This is exactly right.
Matt C doesn't understand this and concluded that he lost muscle based on a comparison of his unpumped relaxed shots with flexed and pumped shots.
Like comparing your flacid cock to your full boner and worrying that it shrunk. VICIOUS ANXIETY
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aLSO DW
I can clearly see that you have almost the exact same musculature as when you started posting. The variations can be accounted for almost completely by pump, and BF/ water.
same goes for the pros, most never change their basic muscle durring their pro carriers, they just gain lard and guts and come in at varying levels of hardness
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What the hell are you saying? That a natural never improves from the time he first touches a weight?
No. Maybe the first line confused you. I will word better. "In my experience I agree that naturals do not vary much from each other ." Read DW's post and mine, I am agreeing with what he says in regards to natural BB'ing.
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So you guys are saying that a top college football player like Adrian Peterson of Oklahoma or Paul Posluzny of Penn State have the same natural muscle mass as the regular kid they sit next to in their college classes? I disagree. Humans come in many shapes, structures and yes a wide variety of natural muscle mass.
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So you guys are saying that a top college football player like Adrian Peterson of Oklahoma or Paul Posluzny of Penn State have the same natural muscle mass as the regular kid they sit next to in their college classes? I disagree. Humans come in many shapes, structures and yes a wide variety of natural muscle mass.
Probably similar natural muscle mass. There are always exceptions.
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You can't be serious.
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Some people have big noses vs. small noses, curly hair vs. straight hair, different eye colors and shapes, different bone thickness, etc. So why would natural muscle mass not vary.
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You can't be serious.
Yes I am. I googled the Penn state player. Looks like a tall guy that hits the weights. With your response I was expecting one of the exceptions. I am sure he has good coordination and strength.
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FUCKIN' AYE!!!!!!!!!!!!
I feel dumber just for clicking on this thread......
LOL ! Saying all naturals have the same muscle size is like saying all farts smell the same :o
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Some people have big noses vs. small noses, curly hair vs. straight hair, different eye colors and shapes, different bone thickness, etc. So why would natural muscle mass not vary.
I am not saying people don't vary, just not by a great deal. Overall hair looks like hair and a nose is a nose. The size and proportion of the nose and quality of the hair does not seem to differ much between people. Natural trainers in my opinion tend to look fairly similar in terms of musculature in regards to their frame. Most people are "normal" in regards to physical appearance. I have only encountered a few natural people that appear markedly different muscular wise. Natural trainers certainly look different aesthetically but that muscular element seems to be the same. This is my opinion. I don't see through your eyes.
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So you guys are saying that a top college football player like Adrian Peterson of Oklahoma or Paul Posluzny of Penn State have the same natural muscle mass as the regular kid they sit next to in their college classes? I disagree. Humans come in many shapes, structures and yes a wide variety of natural muscle mass.
Paul is a kid that i watched play high school football and he was barely 200 pounds his senior year at about 6'1
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man everyones arm is only 14" inches
my arm is bigger than that!!! holy shit when can i get my pro card
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my arm is bigger than that!!! holy shit when can i get my pro card
email chick, he'll send you one. you only have to pay 30,000$ printing fee.
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I could not Disagree more with your post. There are sooo many natural bodybuilders that for example have the same height and starting structure (when they first started bodybuilding), but through time due to genetics or different training or diet principles you will find significant differences in size, shape, and muscle mass. Just like everything on you (ears, nose, lips etc) come in different sizes, so does muscle mass! Its only natural - no pun intended!
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I could not Disagree more with your post. There are sooo many natural bodybuilders that for example have the same height and starting structure (when they first started bodybuilding), but through time due to genetics or different training or diet principles you will find significant differences in size, shape, and muscle mass. Just like everything on you (ears, nose, lips etc) come in different sizes, so does muscle mass! Its only natural - no pun intended!
I think he's saying most developed naturals.
nobody is trying to claim that chad mower has the same amount of muscle as brian whitacare
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Ok but compare Natural Pro bodybuilder Brian Whitacre:
(http://www.theweightclub.com/xtremephysiquesathletes/pictures/whitacre5.jpg)
To Natural Pro Bodybuilder Doug Miller:
(http://www.theocbwebsite.com/Results/2005/OCB082005NV/DougMiller.jpg)
Both are AWESOME natural pros.
Both started off skinny bodybuilding (doug used to weight 120 lbs), Both are about 5'8 or 5'9
Brian Whitace competes at about 168-170, Doug Miller competes at about 185, and there is a huge difference to heir physique, these pictures don't even do the comparison justice.
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I think he's saying most developed naturals.
nobody is trying to claim that chad mower has the same amount of muscle as brian whitacare
Exactly. Chad is an exception and Brian is probably an exception to the other extreme.
While reading Daddy's post I was thinking of the natural with 2 yrs training in their 20's to 30's. If they bodybuild they likely follow similiar training regimes and will produce similar muscle size after the 2 yrs. Most people who enter shows or train follow somewhat decent muscle building programs. The teen will have to probably wait to hit his matured physique (in terms of muscle size) and will take more then 2 yrs. So the environment (training) and the natural trainers genetics tend to produce fairly similar musculature.
How many really large noses or really small noses do you see? By this I mean the ones you stop and take notice of. I am sure not many. This seems to be the same for the natural trainers musculature as described by Daddy.
Thinking more on daddy's post, he touched deeply into evolutionary biology applied it to his philosophy on bb'ing and put it into layman's terms. Reading some of his posts, his philosophies are good and worth considering. I would not dismiss his views as It seems many do.
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Ok but compare Natural Pro bodybuilder Brian Whitacre:
(http://www.theweightclub.com/xtremephysiquesathletes/pictures/whitacre5.jpg)
To Natural Pro Bodybuilder Doug Miller:
(http://www.theocbwebsite.com/Results/2005/OCB082005NV/DougMiller.jpg)
Both are AWESOME natural pros.
Both started off skinny bodybuilding (doug used to weight 120 lbs), Both are about 5'8 or 5'9
Brian Whitace competes at about 168-170, Doug Miller competes at about 185, and there is a huge difference to heir physique, these pictures don't even do the comparison justice.
I would have to see better comparisons to decide so I will not comment. You think both are lifetime natural (no steroids, pro hormones, GH etc.)? I have never seen them before. Sometimes that one cycle can make a difference.
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Both are lifetime naturals.
I've never spoken to Brian in person, only on message boards and online, but I do believe him when he says that he is 100% natural.
Doug Miller is an old friend, and I know he is 100% natural, not even Pro-hormones. I tried to get him to take M1T back when it was still legal and I was taking it, but he wouldn't. That picture of Doug does not do him any justice, he is much bigger than how he looks in this picture, I'll try to find you a better picture. He hasn't competed in 2 years and right now he is just starting his diet and he weighs over 225 lbs with a Full visible six pack, there are pictures of him on the OCB message board just starting his diet, looks like a natural version of Jay Cutler, never cheats on his diet on or offseason!
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Both are lifetime naturals.
I've never spoken to Brian in person, only on message boards and online, but I do believe him when he says that he is 100% natural.
Doug Miller is an old friend, and I know he is 100% natural, not even Pro-hormones. I tried to get him to take M1T back when it was still legal and I was taking it, but he wouldn't. That picture of Doug does not do him any justice, he is much bigger than how he looks in this picture, I'll try to find you a better picture. He hasn't competed in 2 years and right now he is just starting his diet and he weighs over 225 lbs with a Full visible six pack, there are pictures of him on the OCB message board just starting his diet, looks like a natural version of Jay Cutler, never cheats on his diet on or offseason!
Those stats make him sound like one of the exceptions, which shape shifter seemed to think he was. If you get a pic up I would like to see. A guy at 225 abs 5'9 is pretty impressive.
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Those stats make him sound like one of the exceptions, which shape shifter seemed to think he was. If you get a pic up I would like to see. A guy at 225 abs 5'9 is pretty impressive.
there are no naturals at 225 with sub 10 percent bodyfat at 5'9".
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there are no naturals at 225 with sub 10 percent bodyfat at 5'9".
Max for a 5'9" would be 210-215 at that bodyfat.. And keep in mind water accounts for a lot and some dudes look much heavier than they actually are.
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there are no naturals at 225 with sub 10 percent bodyfat at 5'9".
That is what I was thinking. I have seen some strange stuff though.
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Max for a 5'9" would be 210-215 at that bodyfat.. And keep in mind water accounts for a lot and some dudes look much heavier than they actually are.
no not even 210-215, not with low bf levels, the guys who think they are 10 percent and below are almost always 15 percent.
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This is why natural bodybuilding sucks. The only time you are even recognizable as a bodybuilder is when you are walking around in thong :-\
(http://www.theweightclub.com/xtremephysiquesathletes/pictures/whitacre5.jpg)
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no not even 210-215, not with low bf levels, the guys who think they are 10 percent and below are almost always 15 percent.
Your last statement is a stretch. 210 - 215 @ BF <10% is probably not impossible, yet only seen very very rarely.
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Your last statement is a stretch. 210 - 215 @ BF <10% is probably not impossible, yet only seen very very rarely.
maybe at 6 feet but not 5'9".
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This thread should be moved to the dump.
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maybe at 6 feet but not 5'9".
I agree more so with this
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This thread should be moved to the dump.
What is the dump? Why should it be moved there?
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maybe at 6 feet but not 5'9".
In a large enough population of humans, extremes do exists, as lot's of statistical surveys have shown. The more extreme, the more rare.
Let us say we look at 2000000 natural bodybuilders. This groups musclemass distribution can like most human traits be represented with a distribution from statistics. Most distributions allows for extremes to occur very rarely.
I doubt you have seen enough people to verify that a 5'9''s with sub10BF @ 215 can not exist. I'm not saying it's normal at all, but such a bold statement as yours is not valid because you simply don't have the means to verify it, while we do know that within large human populations, certain rare individuals will deviate a lot from the average.
-> The statistical distributions of human traits also explains why Daddywaddy is wrong about all naturals having basically the same amount of muscle. They simply don't.
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Doug Miller, 26 Weeks out, 5'8, 221 lbs (he's gonna kill me for posting his pics - he's a very modest guy and so tough on himself):
Let me see if this image works, if not give me a sec to upload it:
(http://fitnessandphysique.ipbhost.com/index.php?act=Attach&type=post&id=3999)
no way is that 221 if he's 5'8", i'd say more like 186-191 and he's not natural.
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Doug Miller, 26 Weeks out, 5'8, 221 lbs (he's gonna kill me for posting his pics - he's a very modest guy and so tough on himself):
Let me see if this image works, if not give me a sec to upload it:
If he's natural then he must be right on the upper end of natural test levels... lucky bugger.
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Another, All natural
hahah, people walking by that window out there must think there's something dodgy happening in that room
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That guy really looks natural, no redness, no bloat anywhere and no big head (which seems to grow an awful lot on naturals LOL)
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There's a PT at my gym who used to be on the 'roids but he's been clean for over a year now. He's 5 foot 9 and maintains a very lean bodyweight of 220... crazy strong mofo. I'm trying to get some vids of him lifting on youtube...
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One More:
(http://fitnessandphysique.ipbhost.com/index.php?act=Attach&type=post&id=4007)
The thing about Doug is I've never seen someone more anal about their diet and their contest prep and Offseason habits as him. He NEVER cheats, not even once a month or anything, He weighs all his food to the last gram, he is so anal, takes a shit load of supps, doesn't skip meals, he just will not do ANYTHING that will interfere with building muscle.
And he has competed in tested events in the OCB and the IFPA tested by urinalysis and polygraph and has never had any problems, and like I said he is a very old friend so there is no way I won't believe him.
are you with him 24 hrs. a day?
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Thast guy is a beast.
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Of course I am not with him 24 hours a day, I know where you are going, so you are right I can never know 100% if he is natural, but like I said, I believe him when he says he is natural, and like I said he has always passed all drug tests poly and urinalysis. If you choose to believe he is not-natural, then that is your choice, but I will believe otherwise.
And by the way that is 221, I saw him when he stepped on the scale.
Doug was the one who convinced me to not get fat this offseason and stay lean. Who knows maybe I'll be like him one day!
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Of course I am not with him 24 hours a day, I know where you are going, so you are right I can never know 100% if he is natural, but like I said, I believe him when he says he is natural, and like I said he has always passed all drug tests poly and urinalysis. If you choose to believe he is not-natural, then that is your choice, but I will believe otherwise.
And by the way that is 221, I saw him when he stepped on the scale.
Doug was the one who convinced me to not get fat this offseason and stay lean. Who knows maybe I'll be like him one day!
i'm gonna go ahead and call bullshit on both the natural status claim and the weight.
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no way is that 221 if he's 5'8", i'd say more like 186-191 and he's not natural.
He could be natty, he looks good but not "holy shit" good
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Out of respect for Doug, I removed the pictures because I know he doesn't like his pics floating all around the internet, but I wanted to give you guys the idea.
Squadfather, if you believe that he is not natural and he is not that weight, so be it, there is nothing I can really say or do that can make you change your mind. But I am telling you guys what I saw and what I know, as well as what I believe.
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In a large enough population of humans, extremes do exists, as lot's of statistical surveys have shown. The more extreme, the more rare.
Let us say we look at 2000000 natural bodybuilders. This groups musclemass distribution can like most human traits be represented with a distribution from statistics. Most distributions allows for extremes to occur very rarely.
I doubt you have seen enough people to verify that a 5'9''s with sub10BF @ 215 can not exist. I'm not saying it's normal at all, but such a bold statement as yours is not valid because you simply don't have the means to verify it, while we do know that within large human populations, certain rare individuals will deviate a lot from the average.
-> The statistical distributions of human traits also explains why Daddywaddy is wrong about all naturals having basically the same amount of muscle. They simply don't.
Yeah, I wish he wrote most instead of all. I also wish he wrote in his experience. This would have been best. I think his statement was made in this way to get attention and make people think.
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I believe 100% that the human body and human genetics are naturally capable of so much more than what we are led to believe today. I say this statement without any scientific basis, only things that I have seen around me.
Who knows, maybe I will be stuck looking the way that I look right now forever, or maybe I will continue to get bigger and end up looking like my boy Doug, or maybe I'm gonna end up shrinking? All I know is, I'm sticking to the Iron game rep after rep with all the intensity that I can possibly put into it, a solid diet, and hoping for the best!!!
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are you with him 24 hrs. a day?
He looks great. He does not appear natural to me. He could be an exception, which I hope he is, if he competes naturally.
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I believe 100% that the human body and human genetics are naturally capable of so much more than what we are led to believe today. I say this statement without any scientific basis, only things that I have seen around me.
Who knows, maybe I will be stuck looking the way that I look right now forever, or maybe I will continue to get bigger and end up looking like my boy Doug, or maybe I'm gonna end up shrinking? All I know is, I'm sticking to the Iron game rep after rep with all the intensity that I can possibly put into it, a solid diet, and hoping for the best!!!
Good attitude. You are applying some of what daddy said. You may learn to accept the first portion of this quote in time. It probably is best if you do not. This way you will likely hit your maximal potential.
"no one really has superior genetics, only a superior mindset.
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Cee21Jay,
I actually really like this quote. Although I don't agree with it, because as we all know genetics play a huge role in bodybuilding.
But sometimes you just never know, like I said, Doug weighed 120 lbs before he started training and now competes at 185, and you saw what he looks like now.
I weighed about 150 when I first started training. Now I compete at about 180 lbs, and have gotten up to as much as 260 in the offseason (Yes I was a FAT SHIT) and I'm never doing that again. Who would have known.
I've actually had people tell me after I competed that they think that I've tapped out and reached my genetic limitation (I'm 24). I would be an idiot to say "NO WAY!!!" at the same time, I would be an idiot to say "YOU'RE RIGHT" no one can ever really know what their genetics are capable of unless they push themselves and just keep fighting the iron every single day.
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Cee21Jay,
I actually really like this quote. Although I don't agree with it, because as we all know genetics play a huge role in bodybuilding.
But sometimes you just never know, like I said, Doug weighed 120 lbs before he started training and now competes at 185, and you saw what he looks like now.
I weighed about 150 when I first started training. Now I compete at about 180 lbs, and have gotten up to as much as 260 in the offseason (Yes I was a FAT SHIT) and I'm never doing that again. Who would have known.
I've actually had people tell me after I competed that they think that I've tapped out and reached my genetic limitation (I'm 24). I would be an idiot to say "NO WAY!!!" at the same time, I would be an idiot to say "YOU'RE RIGHT" no one can ever really know what their genetics are capable of unless they push themselves and just keep fighting the iron every single day.
Like I said good attitude. Just hope you don't become disappointed.
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Bodybuilding has already given me more than enough that I don't think I can ever be disappointed. Great discussion!
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Bodybuilding has already given me more than enough that I don't think I can ever be disappointed. Great discussion!
that dude could be at least 215 or so,judging from his leg's and arm size,his leg's are thick and muscled and have good shape to boot,legs carry much to overall bodyweight,190 lbs at 5'9 would not be supporting those proportions.clean or not good build,i'd say close to jr nat or usa level.