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Title: Bodybuilders are not atheletes
Post by: Irongrip400 on June 25, 2007, 03:20:03 PM
And sports center just proved it.  They showed the top ten most dominant in their sports, and Ronnie/Dorian nor Arnold were mentioned.  They even had Kobyashi on the list.
Title: Re: Bodybuilders are not atheletes
Post by: Joey Tito on June 25, 2007, 03:21:02 PM
*yawn*
Title: Re: Bodybuilders are not atheletes
Post by: Earl1972 on June 25, 2007, 03:56:25 PM
They even had Kobyashi on the list.

that kills any credibility the list had

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Title: Re: Bodybuilders are not atheletes
Post by: Andre Nickatina on June 25, 2007, 04:03:19 PM
Bodybuilding in no way is a sport. You stand on stage for judges.
Title: Re: Bodybuilders are not atheletes
Post by: Earl1972 on June 25, 2007, 04:04:44 PM
Bodybuilding in no way is a sport. You stand on stage for judges.

then boxing isn't a sport

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Title: Re: Bodybuilders are not atheletes
Post by: gatomjp on June 25, 2007, 04:10:29 PM
BB is an art form, not a sport.
Title: Re: Bodybuilders are not atheletes
Post by: Earl1972 on June 25, 2007, 04:13:13 PM
again the same can be said about boxing

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Title: Re: Bodybuilders are not atheletes
Post by: The Coach on June 25, 2007, 04:13:19 PM
then boxing isn't a sport

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How do you figure that?
Title: Re: Bodybuilders are not atheletes
Post by: Earl1972 on June 25, 2007, 04:15:26 PM
How do you figure that?

judges can decide the winner

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Title: Re: Bodybuilders are not atheletes
Post by: dirk digler on June 25, 2007, 04:16:31 PM
In boxing you're judged by your demonstration of skill against your opponent. Bodybuilding is a paegent. Judged no differently than Miss America.
Title: Re: Bodybuilders are not atheletes
Post by: swilkins1984 on June 25, 2007, 04:16:35 PM
And sports center just proved it.  They showed the top ten most dominant in their sports, and Ronnie/Dorian nor Arnold were mentioned.  They even had Kobyashi on the list.

Did you think that maybe bb just isn't in the Top 10 sports?  ::)
Title: Re: Bodybuilders are not atheletes
Post by: Bluto on June 25, 2007, 04:18:11 PM
bodybuilding is so much more than a sport

the sport board here on getbig maybe have a dozen posters

the bodybuilding board got thousands

Title: Re: Bodybuilders are not atheletes
Post by: The Coach on June 25, 2007, 04:47:35 PM
judges can decide the winner

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Again, boxers possess all of the attributes of a REAL athlete........bodybuild ers do not!!
Title: Re: Bodybuilders are not atheletes
Post by: Earl1972 on June 25, 2007, 04:50:30 PM
Again, boxers possess all of the attributes of a REAL athlete........bodybuild ers do not!!

you always ignore the dictionary definiton of the word "sport" and go by the definition you made up ::)

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Title: Re: Bodybuilders are not atheletes
Post by: Devon97 on June 25, 2007, 04:51:30 PM
If bbing made the sports list then they would have to put Miss USA and HAwaiian Tropic Contests up as well.

No SKILL, Strategy or athletic ability required..... ALL APPEARANCE!  ( and in the case of bbing... ALL DRUGS!!)
Title: Re: Bodybuilders are not atheletes
Post by: ARMZ on June 25, 2007, 04:54:25 PM
If Arnold says it's a sport..  It's a sport..
Title: Re: Bodybuilders are not atheletes
Post by: Earl1972 on June 25, 2007, 04:55:08 PM
If bbing made the sports list then they would have to put Miss USA and HAwaiian Tropic Contests up as well.

No SKILL, Strategy or athletic ability required..... ALL APPEARANCE!  ( and in the case of bbing... ALL DRUGS!!)

sports lists are biased toward the most popular sports

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Title: Re: Bodybuilders are not atheletes
Post by: gatomjp on June 25, 2007, 04:55:57 PM
If bbing made the sports list then they would have to put Miss USA and HAwaiian Tropic Contests up as well.

No SKILL, Strategy or athletic ability required..... ALL APPEARANCE!  ( and in the case of bbing... ALL DRUGS!!)

Just try taking the drugs without doing the work and you will quickly realize that you don't know what you are talking about.
Title: Re: Bodybuilders are not atheletes
Post by: Devon97 on June 25, 2007, 05:14:21 PM
Just try taking the drugs without doing the work and you will quickly realize that you don't know what you are talking about.

Haha, still no athletic ability, skill or strategy required! BOOM BOOM BOOM!
Title: Re: Bodybuilders are not atheletes
Post by: Scott Markey on June 25, 2007, 05:19:33 PM
Say what you want, but I know I know my training is harder and more demanding than 1000 so called sports that consider themselves
" ATHLETES "  Under that criteria. Bodybuilders, or at least some bodybuilders are Athletes for sure. Speaking for myself. I am 100 percent an athlete.
Title: Re: Bodybuilders are not atheletes
Post by: ARMZ on June 25, 2007, 05:20:28 PM
I've done all these other "sports" and dominated all..  I still say bodybuilding is the hardest to dominate..
Title: Re: Bodybuilders are not atheletes
Post by: davidpaul on June 25, 2007, 05:23:21 PM
I've done all these other "sports" and dominated all..  I still say bodybuilding is the hardest to dominate..

Won many Olympic Gold medals, Super Bowls, or world series? ::)
Title: Re: Bodybuilders are not atheletes
Post by: ARMZ on June 25, 2007, 05:28:09 PM
Won many Olympic Gold medals, Super Bowls, or world series? ::)


You don't know me very well do you?
Title: Re: Bodybuilders are not atheletes
Post by: troponin on June 25, 2007, 05:31:34 PM
maybe it's a 'spork' like those half spoon, half forks things you'd get in grade school?
Title: Re: Bodybuilders are not atheletes
Post by: onlyme on June 25, 2007, 05:32:32 PM
then boxing isn't a sport

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hahaha yea Boxing is one of the ultimate sports and describes it to a tee.  Earl you forgot to put the smiley face after thsi remark to show us you are joking.  You are joking right
Title: Re: Bodybuilders are not atheletes
Post by: davidpaul on June 25, 2007, 05:32:51 PM

You don't know me very well do you?

Are you Jan Zelezny?
Title: Re: Bodybuilders are not atheletes
Post by: onlyme on June 25, 2007, 05:33:24 PM
judges can decide the winner

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Title: Re: Bodybuilders are not atheletes
Post by: Devon97 on June 25, 2007, 05:36:28 PM
sports lists are biased toward the most popular sports

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Earl, I know a girl who followed a cutting diet, took var , followed a competition weight/cardio regimine similar to that of a Figure competitor....She placed 2nd in a state level Hawaiian Tropic show in Miami. Is she an athlete?
Title: Re: Bodybuilders are not atheletes
Post by: onlyme on June 25, 2007, 05:39:00 PM

Working out to achieve a goal is athletic in a sense.  But bodybuilders do nothing to exhibit any sort of athleticism.  They are not athletes.  If working out made a person an athlete, then everyone who works out is an athlete.  Boxing exhibits everything a sport is.  The girls who compete i the Miss America workout too.  Then they go show off what they have.  Same with BB.  The beauty pagents are even harder becasue they have to show a skill and answer questions.  BB you do nothing but stand on stage and make muscles.
Title: Re: Bodybuilders are not atheletes
Post by: Earl1972 on June 25, 2007, 10:37:45 PM
hahaha yea Boxing is one of the ultimate sports and describes it to a tee.  Earl you forgot to put the smiley face after thsi remark to show us you are joking.  You are joking right

he basically said that if judges are needed than it isn't a sport

with his logic boxing isn't a sport

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Title: Re: Bodybuilders are not atheletes
Post by: Earl1972 on June 25, 2007, 10:38:52 PM
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you are fat,ugly,and stupid

but hey you've met more celebrities than me ::)

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Title: Re: Bodybuilders are not atheletes
Post by: Earl1972 on June 25, 2007, 10:39:46 PM
Earl, I know a girl who followed a cutting diet, took var , followed a competition weight/cardio regimine similar to that of a Figure competitor....She placed 2nd in a state level Hawaiian Tropic show in Miami. Is she an athlete?

no because there was no physical exertion involved in the competition

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Title: Re: Bodybuilders are not atheletes
Post by: onlyme on June 25, 2007, 10:51:03 PM
no because there was no physical exertion involved in the competition

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God knows all that 90 seconds of flexing muscles is the hardest thing to do.  Opps I just flexed my asshole.  I am a bodybuilder yeeeeeeaaaaaaaaaaaa
Title: Re: Bodybuilders are not atheletes
Post by: benchthis on June 25, 2007, 10:53:28 PM
there not athletes   a regular person who goes to the gym to stay in shape isnt a athlete either the diffrence between a casual gym member and a bodybuilder is bodybuilders take large amounts of drugs, they starve themselfs to obtain single digit fat %, with a few exceptions dont have jobs, many do g4p, all they really do is stand infront of a few people in a thong and flex :-\ there not athletes  >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(
 
 
its not a sport its a glorified beauty pagent
Title: Re: Bodybuilders are not atheletes
Post by: HowieW on June 25, 2007, 11:27:07 PM
And sports center just proved it.  They showed the top ten most dominant in their sports, and Ronnie/Dorian nor Arnold were mentioned.  They even had Kobyashi on the list.

yeah and ESPN also features the "sport" of poker ::)
Title: Re: Bodybuilders are not atheletes
Post by: gordiano on June 25, 2007, 11:28:29 PM
God knows all that 90 seconds of flexing muscles is the hardest thing to do.  Opps I just flexed my asshole.  I am a bodybuilder yeeeeeeaaaaaaaaaaaa


HAHNAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHA~!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Bodybuilders are not atheletes
Post by: gatomjp on June 26, 2007, 06:30:14 AM
no because there was no physical exertion involved in the competition

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BB is an art form in which most of the physical exertion is "invisible" (i.e. done beforehand) and only the results of that exertion are on display. For that reason it is unique, but I would agree it is not a sport.
Title: Re: Bodybuilders are not atheletes
Post by: nder98 on June 26, 2007, 06:35:36 AM
Bodybuilding in no way is a sport. You stand on stage for judges.

Annd umm what about the months of dieting and hours training?  That doesnt count for anything? ::) ::)  oh yeah i forgot you just stand in front of judges...   Dumbass... ::)
Title: Re: Bodybuilders are not atheletes
Post by: onlyme on June 26, 2007, 10:55:06 AM
Annd umm what about the months of dieting and hours training?  That doesnt count for anything? ::) ::)  oh yeah i forgot you just stand in front of judges...   Dumbass... ::)

There are millions of people who diet and train.  Does that make it a sport?  BB is a pageant.  It is exactly like a beauty contest except the guys are ugly and have big muscles.  In some instances they are ugly and look like shit. 
Title: Re: Bodybuilders are not atheletes
Post by: ARMZ on June 26, 2007, 11:17:46 AM
Is it me or does it seem the guys that can never make it as a bodybuilder in this thread knock bodybuilding as a sport?
Title: Re: Bodybuilders are not atheletes
Post by: onlyme on June 26, 2007, 11:27:27 AM
Is it me or does it seem the guys that can never make it as a bodybuilder in this thread knock bodybuilding as a sport?

Better answer is do you see how the competitor try to justify what they do as sport and not as a pagaent or exhibition.  I spent as many hours in the gym if not more than bodybuilders.  I didn't like to diet.  I like to eat.  Joe Good used to bug the shit out of me to compete in BB and powerlifting at the same time.  I tried the diet thing for about a year.  I did pretty good as long as I was with Tony Pearson or Ken Waller or ROn Depolito or the other guys when I went out to eat.  But when I got home it was a little different.  I am not knocking bodybuilding.  I have spent hundreds of thousands of dollars and thousands of hours promoting and help promoting BB.  I have many friends and acquaintances who are bodybuilders.  I make my living off the gym business.  But, I do not like the way BB is and has been going and I don't like the narrow-mindlessness of the bodybuilders.  They do not want to help BB overall.  They are in it just for themselves.  If they weren't then they would try to improve it.  But they are happy with the way the are treated and that has made BB embarrassing and the reason why it is not accepted in the public eye and more mainstream.
Title: Re: Bodybuilders are not atheletes
Post by: hifrommike on June 26, 2007, 11:34:07 AM
Technically, bodybuilding is a business.  For the NPC & other sanctioning amateur organizations, it's nonprofit.  For the IFBB, it is a for-profit enterprise, mainly benefiting the IFBB itself. 

The act of posing onstage in front of spectators for a ranking is competition, & is probably closest to performance art, although it is held to tight limits on how to move & self-present. 

If you consider a sport to be what is reported on generally as a sport, then bodybuilding unquestionably is not one. 
Title: Re: Bodybuilders are not atheletes
Post by: onlyme on June 26, 2007, 12:01:09 PM
Whats really supports the "non sport" classification of BB is the fact that NO pros come on here to defend it by saying it is.  They know it is a competition based on looks.  Skill is not a factor at all.  And if you saying posing is a skill, then why doesn't the guy who wins the Best Poser award always wins the show.
Title: Re: Bodybuilders are not atheletes
Post by: ARMZ on June 26, 2007, 12:03:33 PM
Our lord Arnold was a pro and he says it's the greatest sport..
Title: Re: Bodybuilders are not atheletes
Post by: Devon97 on June 26, 2007, 12:57:13 PM
no because there was no physical exertion involved in the competition

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There was just as much physical exertion as there would be in a figure show... more actually as they must stand on stage longer.

reguarding bbing... so flexing your muscles for a few minutes makes you an athlete?
Title: Re: Bodybuilders are not atheletes
Post by: Devon97 on June 26, 2007, 01:00:13 PM
Annd umm what about the months of dieting and hours training?  That doesnt count for anything? ::) ::)  oh yeah i forgot you just stand in front of judges...   Dumbass... ::)

True, it does take dicipline to eat all those meals and do all that sleeping oh, and jumpping out of Birthday cakes at gay b-day parties is very demanding!
Still though , the EVENT itself ( the show) does not constitute one to bare the lable " Athlete"
Title: Re: Bodybuilders are not atheletes
Post by: Devon97 on June 26, 2007, 01:04:17 PM
Is it me or does it seem the guys that can never make it as a bodybuilder in this thread knock bodybuilding as a sport?

You have it backwards. Its the guy who never had success at team sports who fights so badly to be accepted as an athlete. 
Who in their right mind would waste all the money on Drugs, travel costs , supps, tan oil, entry fees to "prove their worth" just to be called an "athlete"
*** BTW, Im not talking about little league or pee-wee, Im talking success at the collegiate lever or higher.
Title: Re: Bodybuilders are not atheletes
Post by: ARMZ on June 26, 2007, 01:15:30 PM
You have it backwards. Its the guy who never had success at team sports who fights so badly to be accepted as an athlete. 
Who in their right mind would waste all the money on Drugs, travel costs , supps, tan oil, entry fees to "prove their worth" just to be called an "athlete"
*** BTW, Im not talking about little league or pee-wee, Im talking success at the collegiate lever or higher.



I find every sport I've done easy to be the best..  I don't need to get into how good I was or what sports, but trust me, bodybuilding is the hardest by far..   
Title: Re: Bodybuilders are not atheletes
Post by: Earl1972 on June 26, 2007, 04:47:08 PM
God knows all that 90 seconds of flexing muscles is the hardest thing to do.  Opps I just flexed my asshole.  I am a bodybuilder yeeeeeeaaaaaaaaaaaa

it's more strenuous than swinging a golf club

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Title: Re: Bodybuilders are not atheletes
Post by: Earl1972 on June 26, 2007, 04:49:38 PM
There was just as much physical exertion as there would be in a figure show... more actually as they must stand on stage longer.

reguarding bbing... so flexing your muscles for a few minutes makes you an athlete?

standing is not physical exertion ::)

according to the definition of the word "sport" it does 8)

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Title: Re: Bodybuilders are not atheletes
Post by: Earl1972 on June 26, 2007, 04:51:19 PM
Whats really supports the "non sport" classification of BB is the fact that NO pros come on here to defend it by saying it is.  They know it is a competition based on looks.  Skill is not a factor at all.  And if you saying posing is a skill, then why doesn't the guy who wins the Best Poser award always wins the show.

chick has defended it, he doesn't bother anymore because you guys are too stupid to understand ;D

posing is just one part of the show,nobody said what you look like doesn't matter

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Title: Re: Bodybuilders are not atheletes
Post by: Devon97 on June 26, 2007, 05:38:03 PM
chick has defended it, he doesn't bother anymore because you guys are too stupid to understand  ;D

posing is just one part of the show,nobody said what you look like doesn't matter

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So is ESPN   ;D
Title: Re: Bodybuilders are not atheletes
Post by: Devon97 on June 26, 2007, 05:39:39 PM


I find every sport I've done easy to be the best..  I don't need to get into how good I was or what sports, but trust me, bodybuilding is the hardest by far..   

What University did you attend on Full athletic scholarship? What professional teams did you earn "All-Star or ALL-Pro"? Since you found it easy to be the best.
Title: Re: Bodybuilders are not atheletes
Post by: Earl1972 on June 26, 2007, 05:40:11 PM
So is ESPN   ;D

what is your point?

espn constantly mentions michelle wie, a female teen golfer who HAS NEVER WON ANYTHING

they never talk about sidney crosby, a 19 year old who IS THE BEST HOCKEY PLAYER IN THE WORLD

they talk about what gets ratings

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Title: Re: Bodybuilders are not atheletes
Post by: Devon97 on June 26, 2007, 05:41:43 PM
what is your point?

espn constantly mentions michelle wie, a female golfer who HAS NEVER WON ANYTHING

they never talk about sidney crosby, a 19 year old who IS THE BEST HOCKEY PLAYER IN THE WORLD

they talk about what gets ratings

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They talk about said athletes because they are impressive! Why else would a national network give air time to someone?????
No one gives a rats ass about Ronnie or Jay. Except for "You guys"
Title: Re: Bodybuilders are not atheletes
Post by: onlyme on June 26, 2007, 05:44:32 PM
chick has defended it, he doesn't bother anymore because you guys are too stupid to understand ;D

posing is just one part of the show,nobody said what you look like doesn't matter

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Wow, only one.  Then it must be a sport.  And you do realize you are calling the majority of the population stupid cause they all feel the same way.  Are you sure you aren't the stupid one. ;D
Title: Re: Bodybuilders are not atheletes
Post by: Earl1972 on June 26, 2007, 05:45:04 PM
They talk about said athletes because they are impressive! Why else would a national network give air time to someone?????
No one gives a rats ass about Ronnie or Jay. Except for "You guys"

EXACTLY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

that is why the "espn doesn't mention it" argument doesn't work

they talk about whatever will get ratings

only internet forum geeks like you and me care about jay or ronnie

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Title: Re: Bodybuilders are not atheletes
Post by: onlyme on June 26, 2007, 05:46:17 PM
what is your point?

espn constantly mentions michelle wie, a female teen golfer who HAS NEVER WON ANYTHING

they never talk about sidney crosby, a 19 year old who IS THE BEST HOCKEY PLAYER IN THE WORLD

they talk about what gets ratings

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You do realize you just mentioned two people who compete in sports.  Earl do you read what you type.  Or do you just to practice typing no matter how dumb it sounds
Title: Re: Bodybuilders are not atheletes
Post by: Earl1972 on June 26, 2007, 05:49:29 PM
Wow, only one.  Then it must be a sport.  And you do realize you are calling the majority of the population stupid cause they all feel the same way.  Are you sure you aren't the stupid one. ;D

chick is the only pro that regularly posts here and participtes in discussions

the rest come and go, lee priest could care less what people think and shawn is only here to promote himself and tell you that you are fat ;D

are you honestly saying that most of the population isn't stupid?  look at all the people waiting outside for paris hilton to be released ::)

i'll keep going by what the dictionary says, you think whatever you want tubby :)

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Title: Re: Bodybuilders are not atheletes
Post by: Earl1972 on June 26, 2007, 05:51:44 PM
You do realize you just mentioned two people who compete in sports.  Earl do you read what you type.  Or do you just to practice typing no matter how dumb it sounds

you just don't get it ::)

people keep bringing up espn, ESPN TALKS ABOUT WHAT GETS RATINGS

how is Kobiiyashi more of an athlete than a bodybuilder, oh fat boys like yourself like to think that eating hot dogs are athletic competitions :D

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Title: Re: Bodybuilders are not atheletes
Post by: onlyme on June 26, 2007, 06:02:11 PM
you just don't get it ::)

people keep bringing up espn, ESPN TALKS ABOUT WHAT GETS RATINGS

how is Kobiiyashi more of an athlete than a bodybuilder, oh fat boys like yourself like to think that eating hot dogs are athletic competitions :D

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Kobiiyashi is built like a natural BB with better abs than most pros and he eats like you do except he isn't a slob like you.  You keep playing in Dreamland and then you can pretend BB is a sport and you are king.  But in the real world you are outside looking in.

By the way here he is after he ate 53 hot dogs.  Show me a pro that can do that and still have abs.  And by your defintion he is an athlete since he works out.  Earl to bad about your life, but one day it will get better.  Only in your dreams but at least you have that.
Title: Re: Bodybuilders are not atheletes
Post by: sgt. d on June 26, 2007, 06:05:26 PM
Sounds like fighting words
Title: Re: Bodybuilders are not atheletes
Post by: Devon97 on June 26, 2007, 06:12:28 PM
EXACTLY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

that is why the "espn doesn't mention it" argument doesn't work

they talk about whatever will get ratings

only internet forum geeks like you and me care about jay or ronnieE

haha  no, I dont even know when the Olympia is and who the current champ is..... But Im sure you have his pics plastered all over your bedroom... see the diff?
Title: Re: Bodybuilders are not atheletes
Post by: Earl1972 on June 26, 2007, 09:04:01 PM
Kobiiyashi is built like a natural BB with better abs than most pros and he eats like you do except he isn't a slob like you.  You keep playing in Dreamland and then you can pretend BB is a sport and you are king.  But in the real world you are outside looking in.

By the way here he is after he ate 53 hot dogs.  Show me a pro that can do that and still have abs.  And by your defintion he is an athlete since he works out.  Earl to bad about your life, but one day it will get better.  Only in your dreams but at least you have that.

hhahaha a guy that looks like jabba the hut is calling me a slob hahahaha :D

and no "genius" I never said working out was a sport, you're pulling that out of your fat ass ::)

competitive bodybuilding is a sport, not lifting weights in a gym

eating hot dogs and still having abs just means he is skinny, I wonder what jon daly's stomach looks like after eating that many hot dogs or maybe an nfl offensive lineman, great point again onlyme ::)

just remember, you are better than me because you met more celebrities than me ;)

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Title: Re: Bodybuilders are not atheletes
Post by: Earl1972 on June 26, 2007, 09:05:41 PM
haha  no, I dont even know when the Olympia is and who the current champ is..... But Im sure you have his pics plastered all over your bedroom... see the diff?

than you posting on this BODYBUILDING forum means that you have nothing going on in life hahahahaha :D :D

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Title: Re: Bodybuilders are not atheletes
Post by: sgt. d on June 26, 2007, 09:55:30 PM
hhahaha a guy that looks like jabba the hut is calling me a slob hahahaha :D

and no "genius" I never said working out was a sport, you're pulling that out of your fat ass ::)

competitive bodybuilding is a sport, not lifting weights in a gym

eating hot dogs and still having abs just means he is skinny, I wonder what jon daly's stomach looks like after eating that many hot dogs or maybe an nfl offensive lineman, great point again onlyme ::)

just remember, you are better than me because you met more celebrities than me ;)

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lol
Title: Re: Bodybuilders are not atheletes
Post by: nder98 on June 27, 2007, 07:04:35 AM
Is it me or does it seem the guys that can never make it as a bodybuilder in this thread knock bodybuilding as a sport?

This is what I wanted to say from the beggining..  And yet they are constantly on a bodybuilding board 24/7
Title: Re: Bodybuilders are not atheletes
Post by: nder98 on June 27, 2007, 07:06:15 AM
True, it does take dicipline to eat all those meals and do all that sleeping oh, and jumpping out of Birthday cakes at gay b-day parties is very demanding!
Still though , the EVENT itself ( the show) does not constitute one to bare the lable " Athlete"

So whats your "classification" of a sport? ::)
Title: Re: Bodybuilders are not atheletes
Post by: gatomjp on June 27, 2007, 07:21:53 AM
So whats your "classification" of a sport? ::)

There are two similar discussions going on at the same time. This is what I just posted on the other one and I think it's appropriate here too...

bod·y·build·ing      [bod-ee-bil-ding] –noun
the act or practice of exercising, lifting weights, etc., so as to develop the muscles of the body.

bod·y·build·ing       (b?d'?-b?l'd?ng) 
n.   The process of developing the musculature of the body through specific types of diet and physical exercise, such as weightlifting, especially for competitive exhibition.

The definitions for footballl and baseball and hockey etc. describe them as a "game". So sport, it seems, must be a game of some kind which means that BB is a process or a practice or an art but not a sport.

Having now put to bed the definition of the word sport, the main thrust of this "sport/no sport" argument seems to be that BB is easy when compared to baseball or football and the like. That is quite untrue.
Title: Re: Bodybuilders are not atheletes
Post by: body88 on June 27, 2007, 07:42:40 AM
Pro bb is easy compared to the NFL and NHL.  If pro bb's are athletes so aren't the legions of beauty pageant contestants who do essentially the same thing. BB requires no athletic ability. It does not requite superior athletic performance. It does require a lot of dedication, but it is not a sport. I dont really care if people call bb a sport ( even tho it is not one). It is when guys like chick try to claim pro bb's are in the same class as elite pro NFL , NBA, NHL, MLB players.

A pro sport is not based soley on how difficult something is. If that where the case you would have pro computer programmers and pro chess athletes.
Title: Re: Bodybuilders are not atheletes
Post by: gatomjp on June 27, 2007, 07:44:35 AM
Pro bb is easy compared to the NFL and NHL. 

Have you done both?
Title: Re: Bodybuilders are not atheletes
Post by: body88 on June 27, 2007, 07:50:07 AM
Have you done both?

On the pro level , no. I played sports on the collegiate level. I have been "bb" for 11 years. I can tell you how much of a grind a season is on the collegiate level, never mind the pro level.. It is not even close. Explain to me what a pro bb does that compares to a typical NFL season. We will totally ignore the fact that football is a sport that takes actual athletic ability to partake in. You have to be an athletic freak to excel on the pro level in the mlb,nfl,nba or nhl. Not just a genetic freak. You need superior athleticism to 99 percent the population.
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Post by: gatomjp on June 27, 2007, 08:43:14 AM
On the pro level , no. I played sports on the collegiate level. I have been "bb" for 11 years. I can tell you how much of a grind a season is on the collegiate level, never mind the pro level.. It is not even close. Explain to me what a pro bb does that compares to a typical NFL season. We will totally ignore the fact that football is a sport that takes actual athletic ability to partake in. You have to be an athletic freak to excel on the pro level in the mlb,nfl,nba or nhl. Not just a genetic freak. You need superior athleticism to 99 percent the population.

I am a filmmaker, not an athlete. But I have made a couple of documentaries on BB and I have found what they go through mentally and physically to transform their bodies very grueling. However, I can't compare that to your experiences in collegiate sports. That sounds even more brutal! It seems like a behind-the-scenes, day-to-day documentary about making it in the NFL would be a great film! I'm surprised it hasn't yet been done...has it?
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Post by: fearANDloathing on June 27, 2007, 09:04:35 AM
judges can decide the winner

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...and so do the judges in gymnastics. Ever tried that? Pretty fucking tough. Posing is not as hard as gymnastics but it's not exactly easy either. Now let there be no more talk of this, if golf is a sport then so is bodybuilding. More prize money doesn't always = greater athletic ability. Top golfers make way more money than top track and field athletes, are they better athletes?
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Post by: body88 on June 27, 2007, 09:22:20 AM
I am a filmmaker, not an athlete. But I have made a couple of documentaries on BB and I have found what they go through mentally and physically to transform their bodies very grueling. However, I can't compare that to your experiences in collegiate sports. That sounds even more brutal! It seems like a behind-the-scenes, day-to-day documentary about making it in the NFL would be a great film! I'm surprised it hasn't yet been done...has it?

Im not out to bash pro bb's.I know what it takes to bb. I can only imagine the dedication it takes to be a pro. I respect what pros do. I am more of an ironage fan, but I still respect the pros of today. However I do not feel pro bb's should be compared to "true" pro athletes. Including Coleman in a sentace with Jordan is a insult to Jordan's true athletic achievements. Same goes for Hank Aaron. Should his name be spoken in the same sentence as Arnie? I am a huge Arnie fan btw! Aaron hit 755 homers. He was an amazing player all around. In a era when there was no steroids non the less. It took bonds a ton of sauce, modern technology, and the talent of a truly elite athlete to achieve what Aaron did. Not only was Hank a athletic freak, he was a black athletic freak in a time when black people where discriminated against very badly. Altough Dillet might tell you the "struggles" with racism he has had in the ifbb ::)

I played sports on the collegiate level. I was a good athlete but no where close to a pro prospect. People don't realize how much of a athletic freak you have to be to even become a pro. Guys who excel at the pro level ( I am talking set records) or achieve monumental athletic feats, are the true athletic mutants on this earth.

A "road to the pros" movie would be a great idea. I would love to see a documentary about a Calvin Johnson or a Joe Thomas following them through college, and into the pros. Problem is those guys don't have the time!
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Post by: gatomjp on June 27, 2007, 09:26:58 AM
Problem is those guys don't have the time!


They don't have to have the time! A documentary filmmaker would just be there when they are doing whatever it is they are doing. The trick is to get them to allow the intrusion into their lives for a year or so and that can be a big deal. I think it would be great, unfortunately I don't have access to the big boys or I would do it myself.
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Post by: body88 on June 27, 2007, 10:32:20 AM
True, but it would be hard for a camera crew to be present when a athlete was studying game film and such. I cant imagine to many coaches allowing a camera man to follow a single player around.

It would be a great movie tho!
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Post by: hifrommike on June 27, 2007, 11:00:25 AM
http://www.topspeedproject.com/en/default.htm

http://www.topspeedproject.com/en/entertainment_film.htm

This film is somewhat like gato (Mike) has proposed.  I saw it in IMAX at a planetarium in 2003 & it's excellent. 
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Post by: gatomjp on June 27, 2007, 12:23:20 PM
True, but it would be hard for a camera crew to be present when a athlete was studying game film and such. I cant imagine to many coaches allowing a camera man to follow a single player around.

It would be a great movie tho!

You think a surgeon would allow a camera crew into his operating room? Here's a short piece I did without a crew.



If it's done right you would only need one cameraman. If the cameraman is good he can remain inconspicuous and never intrude on the reality of the situation.
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Post by: hifrommike on June 27, 2007, 12:39:34 PM
Mike: LOL, it's Stravinsky vs. Dave on Youtube for the name "Pulcinella." 
Title: Re: Bodybuilders are not atheletes
Post by: gatomjp on June 27, 2007, 01:20:27 PM
Mike: LOL, it's Stravinsky vs. Dave on Youtube for the name "Pulcinella." 

Yes, I know! Imagine my surprise when, as a teen, I was rummaging through the classical music bins at my local Sam Goody's (yes, I was a very NERDY teen!) and I came across The Pulcinella Suite! It's a fairly interesting piece of music too.