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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: The_Hammer on July 04, 2007, 03:39:48 PM
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Are the ideas that he explained on PBW old concepts or is this some break through in workout nutrition?
Is he just trying to promote his product and are there other products on the market similar to his?
I know very little about sports nutrition, but what he said made a lot of sense. He sounds very sincere too.
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Agree. Has a poor man's formula been discussed cuz I aint paying $70.
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I'm very poor, but my body is my #1 priority right now. I think I'm willing to buy all three of this workout shakes. I lift with the focus and intensity of a pro but my diet isn't very healthy (lots of fats).
If I see results while using his products I'll definatly keep buying no matter the cost.
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I hope you're kidding. You're better off spending that money on good food instead.
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For por man I recomend Amino Shooter by Champion Ntrition go to www.bodybuilding.com
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the concept is nothing really earth shattering, just simply providing your muscles with insulin and aminos at the point in time when the most blood is being pushed into the muscle cells, while you're working out, very good thinking.
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The concept is good and works, here is on other for poor man Endure by Sirovi
information at www.sirovi.com
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Are the ideas that he explained on PBW old concepts or is this some break through in workout nutrition?
Is he just trying to promote his product and are there other products on the market similar to his?
I know very little about sports nutrition, but what he said made a lot of sense. He sounds very sincere too.
The theory is sound ;)
But with supplements the theory is usually NOT the problem. Your concern should be in the quality of the product, what's in it, does it have the required amounts and will these ingredients do what Milos' wants in the body according to the "theory". :o
Which is where most supplements fall short.
Take for example L-Carnitine...it makes sense that since carnitine is used to shuttle FA's into the mitochondria for energy, then higher levels of carnitine should move more fat for energy right...but when you consume it orally ::) ... again, in theory it's great.
And the list goes on with supplements created based on theory...supplement companies know that they can capitalize on ignorance FOR A WHILE...so when that one bad study was done on Chromium Picolinate, every company produced it, until people started realizing it didn't do s*** and no other scientists could reproduce the results from that first "fake" study. So the companies move on to the next "fad" supplement...and so on.
Mind you, I'm not saying Milos is doing this, although I wonder who manufactures his products, rather I'm saying you're asking the wrong question.
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You get what you pay for...like ON Nutrition's protein is shit, but it's cheap so everyone gets it.
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I dont think ON's protein is shit, please explain why you think it is, or name a couple of better picks then.
Peace
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Why don't you just eat properly ???
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protein powders are made from milk and eggs. Just eat milk and eggs, they are better for you, cost much less, and taste better.
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You get what you pay for...like ON Nutrition's protein is shit, but it's cheap so everyone gets it.
Any recommendations?
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ON 100% Casein, Dont use Whey, Whey oxidates Leucine
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Agree. Has a poor man's formula been discussed cuz I aint paying $70.
3 formulas:
Pre-Workout = $70.00
During = $70.00
After = $70.00
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$210.00
each one $70.00 and each has I believe 15 servings per container, so if one trains 20 days per month (5 days/week), you would need a bit more, so you're talking close to $300.00.
I agree it makes a lot of sense, but unless you're serious about competing, you'll definately want that "poor mans" formula.
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protein powders are made from milk and eggs. Just eat milk and eggs, they are better for you, cost much less, and taste better.
i agree, but not on the price.
protein powder is way cheaper if you count the protein.
I would suggest whole foods and free amino acids for supplementation.
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protein powders are made from milk and eggs. Just eat milk and eggs, they are better for you, cost much less, and taste better.
Agreed...People should focus on their whole foods rather than supplementation to whole foods...They would be amazed how the human body responds better to them...I tell people to use protein powder when they are short of time or just need to add a little more protein and bcaa to their diet if they are not getting enough...
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I'll be back on PBW radio next Monday...and I will continue explaining my theory and answer more questions....so IF you have any - pass it to Bob (before Monday).
I know that some of you would also not believe me if I tell you that grass is green and that sky might be blue...
Oh well...I will just say that some SHOULD OPEN EYES and to their surprise they might realize that indeed - I am pointing out the obvious....
WHOEVER IS NOT CONSIDERING "MY THEORY" is missing out the BEST opportunity to GROW!
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You get what you pay for...like ON Nutrition's protein is shit, but it's cheap so everyone gets it.
you make a claim but don't back it up with any kind of proof
I use ON and think that it is pretty good
why pay milos $70 for whey/virtago/create/glut/leucine?
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you make a claim but don't back it up with any kind of proof
I use ON and think that it is pretty good
why pay milos $70 for whey/virtago/create/glut/leucine?
you pay $70 for malto and dextro etc.. it doesn't include Vitargo.
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you pay $70 for malto and dextro etc.. it doesn't include Vitargo.
yes, the combination cost more..but when the combination should last 4x longer than milos. So over the long haul it is works out to be cheaper
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you make a claim but don't back it up with any kind of proof
I use ON and think that it is pretty good
why pay milos $70 for whey/virtago/create/glut/leucine?
Oh, sorry....ohhh did I offend you by stating it was shit? Your precious ON whey. You want scientific proof to back up my claim? A double-blind 25 year test with a sample of 10,000? okey.
No. It's shit because I say it's shit. Take it or leave it.
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I'll be back on PBW radio next Monday...and I will continue explaining my theory and answer more questions....so IF you have any - pass it to Bob (before Monday).
I know that some of you would also not believe me if I tell you that grass is green and that sky might be blue...
Oh well...I will just say that some SHOULD OPEN EYES and to their surprise they might realize that indeed - I am pointing out the obvious....
WHOEVER IS NOT CONSIDERING "MY THEORY" is missing out the BEST opportunity to GROW!
best opportunity to grow - during and immediately post w.o. shuttle quick acting carbs with high gi in and hope for an insulin response similar to the real thing. yeah right, ok, that's the "BEST opportunity to GROW". ::)
"the BEST opportunity to GROW" is when, what and how to take your hormones and how much.
but then, i guess milos needs the money so good luck to him.
where's all that evidence you were going to produce about paul chua's corruption milos?
i think now would be the BEST opportunity to bring it forward so as to provide the BEST opportunity to prove you're not just a full of shit windbag. ;)
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milos why do you charge 70$ per container that only comes with 15 servings and on top of that we have to buy three containers man fuck you >:(
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milos why do you charge 70$ per container that only comes with 15 servings and on top of that we have to buy three containers man fuck you >:(
LOL! Man, I'm not saying I agree with you, but that was funny as hell!! ;D
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milos why do you charge 70$ per container that only comes with 15 servings and on top of that we have to buy three containers man fuck you >:(
Haha exactly, what a rip off.
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Are the ideas that he explained on PBW old concepts or is this some break through in workout nutrition?
Is he just trying to promote his product and are there other products on the market similar to his?
I know very little about sports nutrition, but what he said made a lot of sense. He sounds very sincere too.
"Sports" nutrition has nothing to do with "Bodybuilding" nutrition.
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"Sports" nutrition has nothing to do with "Bodybuilding" nutrition.
because its not a sport
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If I'm paying 140 a month for a product, it better come with a box of syringes and some clomid.
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If I'm paying 140 a month for a product, it better come with a box of syringes and some clomid.
ha ha ha ha and maybe some insulin if there is a special going on
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protein powders are made from milk and eggs. Just eat milk and eggs, they are better for you, cost much less, and taste better.
It called volume. Whey protein is great, when taken in fairly substantial quanitities. Milk has 1 gram of protein per fluid ounce. But, only 20% of that protein is whey.
So, if you want to consume 50 grams of whey, you would need to down 250 fl. oz. of milk, or two gallons of milk. 100 grams of whey requires 500 fl. oz, or nearly four gallons. And, 200 grams of whey would have to come from 1000 fl. oz, close to EIGHT GALLONS.
If you think you can guzzle that much moo juice, knock yourself out. I'll stick to the powder, if you don't mind (or even if you do).
Besides, there are those segments of people with regular jobs, who can't munch round the clock. Meetings, travel, and other job-related issues tend to mess with people's diet. In those scenarios, it's simpler and easier to drink their protein than it is to eat it. Two scoops of egg protein powder go down much faster than the 5-6 eggs one would need to consume to get the same amount of protein.
Boiled eggs stink; scrambled eggs have to be devoured before they get cold, or they taste terrible.
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It called volume. Whey protein is great, when taken in fairly substantial quanitities. Milk has 1 gram of protein per fluid ounce. But, only 20% of that protein is whey.
So, if you want to consume 50 grams of whey, you would need to down 250 fl. oz. of milk, or two gallons of milk. 100 grams of whey requires 500 fl. oz, or nearly four gallons. And, 200 grams of whey would have to come from 1000 fl. oz, close to EIGHT GALLONS.
If you think you can guzzle that much moo juice, knock yourself out. I'll stick to the powder, if you don't mind (or even if you do).
Besides, there are those segments of people with regular jobs, who can't munch round the clock. Meetings, travel, and other job-related issues tend to mess with people's diet. In those scenarios, it's simpler and easier to drink their protein than it is to eat it. Two scoops of egg protein powder go down much faster than the 5-6 eggs one would need to consume to get the same amount of protein.
Boiled eggs stink; scrambled eggs have to be devoured before they get cold, or they taste terrible.
you don't need 100 grams of whey you fuccking moron, you make it sound like you're benching 550 for 20, squatting 750 for 30 and then going out and running a marathon, nobody needs eight gallons of "moo juice" you fuccking clown.
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I'll be back on PBW radio next Monday...and I will continue explaining my theory and answer more questions....so IF you have any - pass it to Bob (before Monday).
I know that some of you would also not believe me if I tell you that grass is green and that sky might be blue...
Oh well...I will just say that some SHOULD OPEN EYES and to their surprise they might realize that indeed - I am pointing out the obvious....
WHOEVER IS NOT CONSIDERING "MY THEORY" is missing out the BEST opportunity to GROW!
It appears that, whenever you promote this supplement regimen, it is coupled with training that features lots of giant sets, with lighter weights. Would you say your methods are equally as effective with more traditional training styles (i.e. straight sets, with reps in the 8-10 range, with 1-2 minutes rest periods)?
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you don't need 100 grams of whey you fuccking moron, you make it sound like you're benching 550 for 20, squatting 750 for 30 and then going out and running a marathon, nobody needs eight gallons of "moo juice" you fuccking clown.
This is why reading comprehension is so important, folks. Without it, you get mush-brained foolishness like this.
If the resident Rhodes scholar, Squadfather, had a clue or had his comprehension switch in the "ON" position, he would have seen the point, that being the reason protein powders are used (regardless of how much protein is needed, GENIUS) is for speed and convenience.
Furthermore, those consuming a mere 100 grams of whey, more often than not, are pushing anywhere near those numbers.
Whey protein is a great protein, when used at certain times. But, again, O ye of big mouth and little sense, whey is only a fifth of milk's protein. Therefore, if one wanted to use a certain amount of whey, he would have to consume 5 times the fluid ounces of milk as the amount (in grams) of whey desired to get it.
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This is why reading comprehension is so important, folks. Without it, you get mush-brained foolishness like this.
If the resident Rhodes scholar, Squadfather, had a clue or had his comprehension switch in the "ON" position, he would have seen the point, that being the reason protein powders are used (regardless of how much protein is needed, GENIUS) is for speed and convenience.
Furthermore, those consuming a mere 100 grams of whey, more often than not, are pushing anywhere near those numbers.
Whey protein is a great protein, when used at certain times. But, again, O ye of big mouth and little sense, whey is only a fifth of milk's protein. Therefore, if one wanted to use a certain amount of whey, he would have to consume 5 times the fluid ounces of milk as the amount (in grams) of whey desired to get it.
hahahahaha, ok "Markus Ruhl" keep shoving in that 500 grams of protein a day in hopes of becoming the muscular beast you've always dreamed of being.
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hahahahaha, ok "Markus Ruhl" keep shoving in that 500 grams of protein a day in hopes of becoming the muscular beast you've always dreamed of being.
Who said I consumed 500 grams of protein? I sure didn't. Again, turn the reading comprehesion switch to the "ON" position, before you start (or should I say, CONTINUE) blubbering such buffoonery.
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hahah try head on , apply directly to the fore head
head-on
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hahahahaha, ok "Markus Ruhl" keep shoving in that 500 grams of protein a day in hopes of becoming the muscular beast you've always dreamed of being.
Haha it doesn't matter, i consumed protein in riduculous amounts when i thought the more i take the better i grow, these days i don't use anymore protein supps and take a minium amounts of protein and i still grow. it's al bullshit.
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Egg protein and any tipe of Casein yes, Whey protein don`t prevent muscle brakedown,
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hahah try head on , apply directly to the fore head
head-on
dood, don't steal and massacre my segue...its:
Head-On: Apply directly to forehead
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dood, don't steal and massacre my segue...its:
Head-On: Apply directly to forehead
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Head-On: Apply directly to forehead
Head-On: Apply directly to forehead
'I CAN'T STAND YOUR COMMERCIALS BUT YOUR PRODUCT IS AMAZING!!!!!!" ;D
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Egg protein and any tipe of Casein yes, Whey protein don`t prevent muscle brakedown,
Obtaining casein and albumin (egg protein) from milk and eggs, respectively, can be done somewhat easily. But, as I said earlier, whey is only a fifth of milk's protein content.
That's a reason why many people use whey protein powders but get their casein and albumin from milk (or cheese) and eggs.
My personal rule for using supplement is that the supplement must provide high doses of nutrients, that are impossible or impractical to obtain from regular food.
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Obtaining casein and albumin (egg protein) from milk and eggs, respectively, can be done somewhat easily. But, as I said earlier, whey is only a fifth of milk's protein content.
That's a reason why many people use whey protein powders but get their casein and albumin from milk (or cheese) and eggs.
My personal rule for using supplement is that the supplement must provide high doses of nutrients, that are impossible or impractical to obtain from regular food.
yeah because "mcway" is such a freak of nature that what worked for guys like Grimek, Reeves, Arnold, Sergio, Nubret, Franco, etc. won't work for his absolutely huge muscles, he needs "special" nutrients. ::)
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yeah because "mcway" is such a freak of nature that what worked for guys like Grimek, Reeves, Arnold, Sergio, Nubret, Franco, etc. won't work for his absolutely huge muscles, he needs "special" nutrients. ::)
It seems that Metatarsal protein is your nutrient of choice, because you can't seem to keep your foot out of your mouth, as deomonstrared by yet another bone-headed post.
What I said was that, if it's impossible or impractical to ingest a certain amount of nutrients by comsuming regular food, then supplements come into play.
If one has a job, where eating large quantites of protein is quite difficult, then protein supplements are of great aid.
What the brain inside your thick, but cracked skull, has yet to process is that this isn't a "Food vs. supplements" issue. But, rather, it is how to use the best of both to get desired results.
Maybe sometime, between now and the time the Bills win a Super Bowl, you'll come up with something that shows you actually had a hearty breakfast this morning.
Almost forgot! Many of the bodybuilders you mentioned, including one that will be turning 60 in about three weeks, used protein supplements.
But, why let such facts deter your quest to sound ridiciously silly?
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Obtaining casein and albumin (egg protein) from milk and eggs, respectively, can be done somewhat easily. But, as I said earlier, whey is only a fifth of milk's protein content.
That's a reason why many people use whey protein powders but get their casein and albumin from milk (or cheese) and eggs.
My personal rule for using supplement is that the supplement must provide high doses of nutrients, that are impossible or impractical to obtain from regular food.
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Milk is better then just Whey protein, my recommendation don`t use Whey protein that all, not even post workout. Take 2 gram of Bifidobacterium longum (BB536) with nonfat Milk, or drink fresh non pasteurised nonfat milk. In any situation no Whey. It is a study on WP vs CAS, whole body protein brake down
was inhibited by 34% after casein and a big 0% after whey, you will never see the studies in any Bodybuilding magazines, and I am sure you know why.
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you make a claim but don't back it up with any kind of proof
I use ON and think that it is pretty good
why pay milos $70 for whey/virtago/create/glut/leucine?
It is NOT whey, vitargo...etc...IT IS VERY SPECIFIC FORMULA...and I am not forcing anyone to try it...
But, when people start wondering HOW AND WHY my guys make such incredible gains in such a short time - it is easy to assume - IT IS ALL DRUGS... ::)
I had GREAT success with drug free guys that made improvements with my supplements alone who were immediately accused of "cheating"...got tested and passed every test.
Interestingly - some guys would think IT IS ALWAYS ABOUT MONEY...Milos wants to rip us off...so I will continue taking whey and vitargo...
Well, you guys continue taking what you are taking...I have absolutely no problem with that ;).
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you pay $70 for malto and dextro etc.. it doesn't include Vitargo.
You pay $70 for the HIGHEST quality pharmaceutical grade AJINOPURE amino acids which would coast you DOUBLE that - if you are pharmaceutical company trying to purchase the same aminos from AJINOMOTO company for IV mix used in the hospitals...
Malto and dextrose are there ONLY as a "driver" of those aminos into the muscle cells...Vitargo IS NOT better or more beneficial - and therefore I didn't include it in my drink...However, everything else is there AS IT NEEDS TO BE...
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milos why do you charge 70$ per container that only comes with 15 servings and on top of that we have to buy three containers man fuck you >:(
Wow...how nice...
Would you like to come to see me personally and tell me that to my face?
You can find me at 1101 South Placentia Avenue, Fullerton CA 92831.
Just tell me when would you like to come and I will make sure to be there...
After all - you must have a reason to tell me what you just did.
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LOL! Man, I'm not saying I agree with you, but that was funny as hell!! ;D
LOL, really funny indeed...
Telling someone F - YOU for what reason exactly?
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Vitargo IS NOT better or more beneficial - and therefore I didn't include it in my drink...However, everything else is there AS IT NEEDS TO BE...
Please tell the truth... Vitargo was just too damn expensive and then the product would have become even more cost prohibitive. I personally don't think Vitargo is magic or more beneficial post workout than something like Dextrose but pre- and during it would have been better because it doesn't cause the same gastric distress (potentially).
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It is NOT whey, vitargo...etc...IT IS VERY SPECIFIC FORMULA...and I am not forcing anyone to try it...
But, when people start wondering HOW AND WHY my guys make such incredible gains in such a short time - it is easy to assume - IT IS ALL DRUGS... ::)
I had GREAT success with drug free guys that made improvements with my supplements alone who were immediately accused of "cheating"...got tested and passed every test.
Interestingly - some guys would think IT IS ALWAYS ABOUT MONEY...Milos wants to rip us off...so I will continue taking whey and vitargo...
Well, you guys continue taking what you are taking...I have absolutely no problem with that ;).
I would love to try it but you are charging $70 for 15 servings = $4.67 per drink
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I would love to try it but you are charging $70 for 15 servings = $4.67 per drink
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I would love to drive Ferrari but they charge too much...too.
I wonder why?
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I would love to drive Ferrari but they charge too much...too.
I wonder why?
true...but with a ferrari you get to see immediate results and performance even from one drive. Plus chicks
Standard Shipping $9.95 ? lol..
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I would love to drive Ferrari but they charge too much...too.
I wonder why?
off topic, but i fucking LOVE this guys smart ass responses becuase he always makes a point with it! lol
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off topic, but i fucking LOVE this guys smart ass responses becuase he always makes a point with it! lol
Milos is cool...he just needs to put on the ski mask and take shawn out. Shawn has done him wrong too many times.
Yet..Milos keeps taking it. I would buy the $70 PWO drink just so that he can have money for his IFBB appeal fund.
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I would love to drive Ferrari but they charge too much...too.
I wonder why?
So where do you get your whey isolate from? You disclosed the amino manufacturer so this should not be a problem to disclose. Davisco? The rest of the ingredients are dirt cheap so this better be some magic whey iso to justify the $70.
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You pay $70 for the HIGHEST quality pharmaceutical grade AJINOPURE amino acids which would coast you DOUBLE that - if you are pharmaceutical company trying to purchase the same aminos from AJINOMOTO company for IV mix used in the hospitals...
Malto and dextrose are there ONLY as a "driver" of those aminos into the muscle cells...Vitargo IS NOT better or more beneficial - and therefore I didn't include it in my drink...However, everything else is there AS IT NEEDS TO BE...
Milos,
When you say Maltos/Dextrose are the "DRIVERS" for the aminos...is injectable Insulin required? I understand that during/post exercise, the body's INSULIN SENSITIVITY is higher, so I'm confused wether the Maltos/Dextrose (being Hi Glycemic) is even necessary. And how does these Sugars/Carbs "Drive" the nutrients (aminos) into the muscle cells.
Could you please explain? Thanks!
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protein powders are made from milk and eggs. Just eat milk and eggs, they are better for you, cost much less, and taste better.
Well protein powder is way better for adding and maintaining flab, and a lot of these guys are trying to maintain the dellusion that they have over 200lbs of muscle. So for their purposes powders really are probably superior.
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LOL, really funny indeed...
Telling someone F - YOU for what reason exactly?
Don't take these boards too seriously, Mishko. ;) I assure you, if you went to buy a ferrari, looked at the price, and told the ferrarri dealer F----YOU...I would laugh too ;D
His response was a typical getbig response to just about everything. I didn't agree with him because I actually would consider trying your products...my only reservation being the quality of the product, and if it actually does what the "theory" says...PEACE OUT! ;D
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It's pretty straight forward.
Milos got an injection of capital from a venture capitalist firm. He showed them the large cash cow he developed and they got excited about the potential of making money. The ingredient list is pretty straightforward and cheap to assemble. Milo's needs another way to supplement his income. Personal training isn't go to do it and to still stay relevant in the industry to keep his name out there he needs another means of making an income.
I think I'll stick with Lee Labrada's products. The Lean Body shakes, Sorenzyme, Super Charge, and ReCharge products all work well for me.
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aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahahaha haahahaahaaa, so THAT's the reason you're in Japan all the time??
AJINOMOTO???
Wow, this is great. LMAO, You can get Aji no moto Amino Acids in every fucking Konbini in Japan, and they won't charge you 70 bucks for some Amino acids with dextrose.
Great deal, Milos. Congrats.
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milos never seems to understand that this is getbig. we call bullshit bullshit here. it is no offence gainst you milos, but if you can't take a simple 'fuck you' without melting down maybe you should avoid these boards and retreat to the oh so politically correct sanctuary of your site.
to call the guy out just makes me laugh. it really has been an education coming on these boards. you bbers are a riot sometimes...GRRRR!
the dex and malto are high glycemic index carbs intended to mimic actual injectable insulin (as bbers and other athletes have been using insulin b4, during and post w.o for eons).
the whey isolate is merely protein.
amino acids are simply the molecules that make up protein.
the thing i've always found amusing about amino acid supplements is that the companys selling them actually convince people that the laboratories that isolate and combine these amino acids do a better job than a healthy human being's digestive system.
they actually convince people that they can bypass the digestive sytem because 'the aminos have already been pre-digested.' ;D
what a load of bs...the only way you are 'bypassing the digestive system' is if you don't put anything in it ie intravenious, intramuscular drugs, etc.
sorry milos, far be it from me to get in the way of you ripping people off making a dollar, but do it on your own board. this is a public and, thanks to ron, democratically run.
to come here and pedal your shit and then melt down when people call you on it is a little rich for my taste.
in short, if you can't stand the heat GET THE FUCK OFF GETBIG!!!
thankyou for your time. :D
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i would have thought that Milos's drink had way more than 24 grams of carbs, the way he made it sound was that you needed 100 grams of carbs in the during workout drink for the insulin release, that said if you think the drink is too expensive don't buy it but you can't blame Milos for trying to make few bucks.
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btw, this is Milos wonder-company...
http://www.aminovital.com/
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btw, this is Milos wonder-company...
http://www.aminovital.com/
Your google skills lack. This is the company: http://www.ajinomoto.com/
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i would have thought that Milos's drink had way more than 24 grams of carbs, the way he made it sound was that you needed 100 grams of carbs in the during workout drink for the insulin release, that said if you think the drink is too expensive don't buy it but you can't blame Milos for trying to make few bucks.
Squaddy..I wondered the same thing also. Plus his protein ratio is 1:1 to the carbs
I usallly mix: 2 scopes of Vitargo which is 72g of carbs + 40 grams of ON protein + glut + creat
Milos..is that 72g of carbs too much?
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Wow...how nice...
Would you like to come to see me personally and tell me that to my face?
You can find me at 1101 South Placentia Avenue, Fullerton CA 92831.
Just tell me when would you like to come and I will make sure to be there...
After all - you must have a reason to tell me what you just did.
HA HA YEA OK ILL MAKE SURE TO TAKE A BASEBALL BAT AND A COUPLE OF HOMIES WITH ME WHO HAVE NOTHING TO LOSE
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HA HA YEA OK ILL MAKE SURE TO TAKE A BASEBALL BAT AND A COUPLE OF HOMIES WITH ME WHO HAVE NOTHING TO LOSE
epic caps lock internet threats.
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ha ha sorry but this mother fucker got butt hurt because i told him the "F" word
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ha ha sorry but this mother fucker got butt hurt because i told him the "F" word
...and you melted-down when he invited you over... ::)
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ok garraeth this coming from his number one butt pirate
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Milk is better then just Whey protein, my recommendation don`t use Whey protein that all, not even post workout. Take 2 gram of Bifidobacterium longum (BB536) with nonfat Milk, or drink fresh non pasteurised nonfat milk. In any situation no Whey. It is a study on WP vs CAS, whole body protein brake down
was inhibited by 34% after casein and a big 0% after whey, you will never see the studies in any Bodybuilding magazines, and I am sure you know why.
That's sunny. I've read short references to a study of this nature in the last two or three issues of FLEX magazines. But, the recommendation isn't not to take whey at all but to use a mixture that's 50% whey and 50% casein (that is 40 grams of protein, 20 g or whey and 20 grams of casein).
Again, milk protein is 80% casein and 20% milk. So, assuming the study of which you speak and that in FLEX are one and the same, using non-fat milk wouldn't quite fit the bill.
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That's sunny. I've read short references to a study of this nature in the last two or three issues of FLEX magazines. But, the recommendation isn't not to take whey at all but to use a mixture that's 50% whey and 50% casein (that is 40 grams of protein, 20 g or whey and 20 grams of casein).
Again, milk protein is 80% casein and 20% milk. So, assuming the study of which you speak and that in FLEX are one and the same, using non-fat milk wouldn't quite fit the bill.
did Flex include how much Test and HGH/slin to use also? oh wait that would muscular development
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Your google skills lack. This is the company: http://www.ajinomoto.com/
no googling. I was picking their amino acid products on purpose.
The company aji no moto produces all kinds of stuff, one sister company is supplements. it's called amino vital.
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The coast of Whey protein is much last then Casein so adding 20% to Casein or Egg protein will save $$$ to maker.
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I would love to drive Ferrari but they charge too much...too.
I wonder why?
your supplements are WAY overpriced just like your training.
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your supplements are WAY overpriced just like your training.
Supplements are useless..
Hell, I didn't use protein powders for a few months and noticed no real difference.
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Supplements are useless..
Hell, I didn't use protein powders for a few months and noticed no real difference.
I haven't used them for over a year now. I only use ephedra every now and then.
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I haven't used them for over a year now. I only use ephedra every now and then.
All these training and nutrition "experts" are absolute garbage.
The only thing Milos is an expert on is what cycles are best. No offense.
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I haven't used them for over a year now. I only use ephedra every now and then.
what about those 7 prohormone cycles you did?
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Your google skills lack. This is the company: http://www.ajinomoto.com/
Actually, you're both right... Ajinomoto makes AminoVital products. Their version sells for about 1/3 the price of the product Milos is pimping.
Interestingly, Ajinomoto is also the world's largest producer of MSG, and a substantial manufacturer of Aspartame, two fine natural and healthy products! ;D
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I haven't used them for over a year now. I only use ephedra every now and then.
since when does ephedra assist with hypertrophy?
that explains the calves