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Hello. Today there was a post of J.P.Fux at the 96 Arnolds. I am a big, big fan of his prior to blowing out his knees for Chris Lund. Anyway in your opinion what do you honestly feel, or know, that led to the massive midsection of this man? Or even Nasser for that matter I mean has there been any larger belly's in the sport w/the men at their prime??
Was it slin? GH? Or IGF beyond say 80mcg a day??
As always, thanks for your input.
its called insulin,,and a lot of it
you need to start slin when you are at low bf% as in single digit preferably under 8% for it to blow you up to new dimentions,,timing is also very important and ofcourse type of slin,,
insulin will grow you to a new level of size if is done right at high enough dose,,you will intially lose some poundage and tighten up and if continue consistanly and use growth and t3 you will add at the least 30-40lb of quality muscle all over,,meaning if you start 200lb 7% you will become 240lb 7% if not less but be aware that your gut will grow too no matter what NO MATTER WHAT
everything grows on slin and growth everything no matter how much t3 you use,,the t3 is to keep bodyfat low and even decrease it ,,but the growth is still everywhere
99% of professional bodybuilders use insulin,,that includes any proffesional bodybuilder to ever step on ifbb stage since 1990,,some use more some use less but every one use because you get to a point wherre you are very low bodyfat ripped to shreds and stuck and the only way up is the use of slin growth and t3
professional bodybuilding with out slin would be standing at 210-220lb on stage for a gifted pro at 5'10, thats if he is colman type of genetic response and that genetic reponse you dont buy in grocery store ;)
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professional bodybuilding with out slin would be standing at 210-220lb on stage for a gifted pro at 5'10,,thats if he is colman type of genetic response and that genetic reponse you dont buy in grocery store ;)
Where do I buy it?
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exactly what i've always thought, hahahah, i love when pros try to blame the big guts on "overeating", these guys have a six pack on top of of a protruding alien stomach, overeating doesn't do that.
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exactly what i've always thought, hahahah, i love when pros try to blame the big guts on "overeating", these guys have a six pack on top of of a protruding alien stomach, overeating doesn't do that.
the guys that do eating contests drink water constantly and intentionally expand their stomachs and their stomachs don't protrude like the pros do either.
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the guys that do eating contests drink water constantly and intentionally expand their stomachs and their stomachs don't protrude like the pros do either.
exactly, it's not overeating because they wouldn't have such low bodyfat levels, it's the insulin and GH.
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I'm sure things like overeating and heavy squatting do contribute somewhat. I'm not saying they contribute as much as drugs, but I would say they are factors. Not to mention genetics. I have friends who have guts even though they are natural and pretty lean.
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exactly, it's not overeating because they wouldn't have such low bodyfat levels, it's the insulin and GH.
here is the former hot dog eating champ:
(http://www.johnsimonds.com/wp-content/uploads/2006/06/Takeru_kobayashi_ab2005.jpg)
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Hello. Today there was a post of J.P.Fux at the 96 Arnolds. I am a big, big fan of his prior to blowing out his knees for Chris Lund. Anyway in your opinion what do you honestly feel, or know, that led to the massive midsection of this man? Or even Nasser for that matter I mean has there been any larger belly's in the sport w/the men at their prime??
Was it slin? GH? Or IGF beyond say 80mcg a day??
As always, thanks for your input.
its called insulin,,and a lot of it
you need to start slin when you are at low bf% as in single digit preferably under 8% for it to blow you up to new dimentions,,timing is also very important and ofcourse type of slin,,
insulin will grow you to a new level of size if is done right at high enough dose,,you will intially lose some poundage and tighten up and if continue consistanly and use growth and t3 you will add at the least 30-40lb of quality muscle all over,,meaning if you start 200lb 7% you will become 240lb 7% if not less but be aware that your gut will grow too no matter what NO MATTER WHAT
everything grows on slin and growth everything no matter how much t3 you use,,the t3 is to keep bodyfat low and even decrease it ,,but the growth is still everywhere
99% of professional bodybuilders use insulin,,that includes any proffesional bodybuilder to ever step on ifbb stage since 1990,,some use more some use less but every one use because you get to a point wherre you are very low bodyfat ripped to shreds and stuck and the only way up is the use of slin growth and t3
professional bodybuilding with out slin would be standing at 210-220lb on stage for a gifted pro at 5'10,,thats if he is colman type of genetic response and that genetic reponse you dont buy in grocery store ;)
Ok Gh15...I'm just trying to learn here so I have a question. If it is only the insulin making the guts, then why don't diabetics have huge guts similar to bodybuilders? I mean, most are fat anyway but lack the protruding guts of the pros. So, I guess my question is insulin = gut or insulin + GH = gut? Thanks!
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Ok Gh15...I'm just trying to learn here so I have a question. If it is only the insulin making the guts, then why don't diabetics have huge guts similar to bodybuilders? I mean, most are fat anyway but lack the protruding guts of the pros. So, I guess my question is insulin = gut or insulin + GH = gut? Thanks!
Diabetics aren't taking any where near the amount of insulin these pros are, not to mention the synergistic effects with the steroids and GH as you mentioned.
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Diabetics aren't taking any where near the amount of insulin these pros are, not to mention the synergistic effects with the steroids and GH as you mentioned.
Mmm, there are plenty of diabetics taking 90-100 UI per day. I doubt the pros are taking much more.
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Hello. Today there was a post of J.P.Fux at the 96 Arnolds. I am a big, big fan of his prior to blowing out his knees for Chris Lund. Anyway in your opinion what do you honestly feel, or know, that led to the massive midsection of this man? Or even Nasser for that matter I mean has there been any larger belly's in the sport w/the men at their prime??
Was it slin? GH? Or IGF beyond say 80mcg a day??
As always, thanks for your input.
its called insulin,,and a lot of it
you need to start slin when you are at low bf% as in single digit preferably under 8% for it to blow you up to new dimentions,,timing is also very important and ofcourse type of slin,,
insulin will grow you to a new level of size if is done right at high enough dose,,you will intially lose some poundage and tighten up and if continue consistanly and use growth and t3 you will add at the least 30-40lb of quality muscle all over,,meaning if you start 200lb 7% you will become 240lb 7% if not less but be aware that your gut will grow too no matter what NO MATTER WHAT
everything grows on slin and growth everything no matter how much t3 you use,,the t3 is to keep bodyfat low and even decrease it ,,but the growth is still everywhere
99% of professional bodybuilders use insulin,,that includes any proffesional bodybuilder to ever step on ifbb stage since 1990,,some use more some use less but every one use because you get to a point wherre you are very low bodyfat ripped to shreds and stuck and the only way up is the use of slin growth and t3
professional bodybuilding with out slin would be standing at 210-220lb on stage for a gifted pro at 5'10,,thats if he is colman type of genetic response and that genetic reponse you dont buy in grocery store ;)
Your grammar mysteriously got way better in this post.
Your spelling is also pretty spot on too. Though I notice you threw in a couple token misspellings to keep up the gag. ;)
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Ok Gh15...I'm just trying to learn here so I have a question. If it is only the insulin making the guts, then why don't diabetics have huge guts similar to bodybuilders? I mean, most are fat anyway but lack the protruding guts of the pros. So, I guess my question is insulin = gut or insulin + GH = gut? Thanks!
from simple logic: Diabetics use insulin cause they don't produce any ( or very little).
bodybuilders use insulin WHILE their body are still producing it so even if they take 100 IU per day or
whatever, the diabetics use insulin to be at a "normal" level. if the dude's pancreas already produce
his own insulin PLUS 100 IU, it isn't the same thing at all
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Fux blew out with igf, i know this from a prominent europen dealer who is now dead and if gh15 is for real he knows who im talking about he frequented Venice a lot too and had been around for 15 20 years, he took shit loads of it before the side effects were known, yes insulin would have contributed but Fux ruined his physique and it was the igf, he was the first prominent guy to give it a real go in Europe.
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I suggest you follow GH15's advice and start your slin usage at .5cc/day split evenly throughout the day, every hour, on the hour. And while you're at it, add 26iu GH to each of your slin injections so that you get a double whammo effect.
That'll get you growing big and strong in no time!
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...moron...
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I suggest you follow GH15's advice and start your slin usage at .5cc/day split evenly throughout the day, every hour, on the hour. And while you're at it, add 26iu GH to each of your slin injections so that you get a double whammo effect.
That'll get you growing big and strong in no time!
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...moron...
Sorry, meant to say "Nasser's"...
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from simple logic: Diabetics use insulin cause they don't produce any ( or very little).
bodybuilders use insulin WHILE their body are still producing it so even if they take 100 IU per day or
whatever, the diabetics use insulin to be at a "normal" level. if the dude's pancreas already produce
his own insulin PLUS 100 IU, it isn't the same thing at all
Actually, type II diabetics still produce insulin but they have become insulin resistant :(
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Diabetics aren't taking any where near the amount of insulin these pros are, not to mention the synergistic effects with the steroids and GH as you mentioned.
partially yes
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Mmm, there are plenty of diabetics taking 90-100 UI per day. I doubt the pros are taking much more.
many do
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from simple logic: Diabetics use insulin cause they don't produce any ( or very little).
bodybuilders use insulin WHILE their body are still producing it so even if they take 100 IU per day or
whatever, the diabetics use insulin to be at a "normal" level. if the dude's pancreas already produce
his own insulin PLUS 100 IU, it isn't the same thing at all
yes
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Fux blew out with igf, i know this from a prominent europen dealer who is now dead and if gh15 is for real he knows who im talking about he frequented Venice a lot too and had been around for 15 20 years, he took shit loads of it before the side effects were known, yes insulin would have contributed but Fux ruined his physique and it was the igf, he was the first prominent guy to give it a real go in Europe.
:)indeed,,but i dont like the word ruined,,lets call it changed ;)
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I suggest you follow GH15's advice and start your slin usage at .5cc/day split evenly throughout the day, every hour, on the hour. And while you're at it, add 26iu GH to each of your slin injections so that you get a double whammo effect.
That'll get you growing big and strong in no time!
::)
...moron...
i love you too baby :)
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so does everything grow including the penis ;D
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a large gut can also be genetics...my abdomen is slightly distended, and it has been my whole life. even now i am getting some abs coming in, but they are distended a little bit.
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look fellas its all about the prime,,i dont say that if you enter your room right now and stick a needle in your shoulder with insulin you will blow up all thick muscle,,
its all building blocks,,,
first the aas
then the aas + gh and other fat/estrogen burning/eliminating-reducing drugs/stimulants
and then when you are ar the prime which is most likley for lets take a guy like matt c ;) will be somewhere at 195-210lb 7%,,,then! you add in the slin so you can make mat c to a frank m,,you get the idea ,,,now genetic reponse might not be exactly the same,,and muscle shape is constant factor that can not be changed,,but oh brother you wil be sitting at frank m size of muscle mass and be able to say you do nationals every year,,,see where im getting at?
so in general,,,no..takin slin when you sit at 13% bf 190lb wont do nothing,,,it wont do nothing either when you sit at 240lb 20% it just wont,,the excuse is being insulin resistance but in reality youre just too fat to use insulin,,and not ready
now,,no body came to me when i started bodybuild and told me all this,,i had to learn it and so are many others,,and what i say here would make old joe weider flip in his grave if he was dead so im lucky hes not :D,,here i lay it out to you facts,, black on white,,it still doesnt mean you should abuse it if you are not ready,,
the things i say here are meant for guys that been in it for many years,,usually atleast over 5 years of very serious all out 24/7 bodybuilding life style and training including been through aas for couple years,,im just shorten their ways to get to look and carry the mass needed,,but only do it when you are ready!
you got to prime your body,,you gotta already be at low bodyfat and already have good amount of lean muscle mass no matter if you are 175 or 205 you gotta be at low single digit and good amount of lean muscle on yoru frame for everything to go in the right direction,,,you cant be a begginer and expect anything else other than becoming sick and visit a doctor or quit it all together,,gotta have some time under your belt wether it is football training with weights couple years + aas or gym rat,,or track etc
always remember that the guys you see around at impressive size and muscularity did not get there fast,,it took years of training drugs food and dedication,,they had to go through the stages of the built look ,,,the fitness model levels,,,the national level and only then if they were good enough they got to win a pro card,,,so you take it easy with everything i say and use it to yoru benefit!
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wouldn't be very unhealthy for some one who doesnt need insulin (eg- non-diabetic) to put it in their body? what sort of long-term effects does it have?
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its called insulin,,and a lot of it
you need to start slin when you are at low bf% as in single digit preferably under 8% for it to blow you up to new dimentions,,timing is also very important and ofcourse type of slin,,
insulin will grow you to a new level of size if is done right at high enough dose,,you will intially lose some poundage and tighten up and if continue consistanly and use growth and t3 you will add at the least 30-40lb of quality muscle all over,,meaning if you start 200lb 7% you will become 240lb 7% if not less but be aware that your gut will grow too no matter what NO MATTER WHAT
everything grows on slin and growth everything no matter how much t3 you use,,the t3 is to keep bodyfat low and even decrease it ,,but the growth is still everywhere
99% of professional bodybuilders use insulin,,that includes any proffesional bodybuilder to ever step on ifbb stage since 1990,,some use more some use less but every one use because you get to a point wherre you are very low bodyfat ripped to shreds and stuck and the only way up is the use of slin growth and t3
professional bodybuilding with out slin would be standing at 210-220lb on stage for a gifted pro at 5'10, thats if he is colman type of genetic response and that genetic reponse you dont buy in grocery store ;)
gh15,
can you explain exactly how insulin increases someone's midsection?
It would be nice to know physiologically what exactly happens when taking insulin...don't you think?
You've been talking so much garbage lately that I really have to wonder if you are all there?
Don't you think that idiots like you have created enough problems missinforming people about bodybuilding supplements of choice?
Using is one thing and abusing complately other...
Stop telling the nonsense you've been preaching here on getbig and leading people to do stupid things you did - that got you where you are today...
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gh15 is pretty ridiculous. Very adonis like..
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Using is one thing and abusing complately other...
True, but pro bodybuilders do abuse. Look at Mustafa as an example with his experiences with Aldactone.
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You cannot compare diabetes patients to insuline abusing BB.
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Its called a GH gut for a reason, Not an insulin gut, not a roid gut, a GH GUT.
Since you brought up burden of proof, is there any evidence to prove your claim above?
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gh15,
can you explain exactly how insulin increases someone's midsection?
It would be nice to know physiologically what exactly happens when taking insulin...don't you think?
You've been talking so much garbage lately that I really have to wonder if you are all there?
Don't you think that idiots like you have created enough problems missinforming people about bodybuilding supplements of choice?
Using is one thing and abusing complately other...
Stop telling the nonsense you've been preaching here on getbig and leading people to do stupid things you did - that got you where you are today...
dont come to me with this bullshit when you created plenty of them,,stop LYING ALREADY! im the worst person you can lie to because im the fountain you drink from,,
EVERY ONE THAT EVER GOT SOMEWHERE ON IFBB STAGE LAST 20 YEARS IN PARTICULAR USED HIGH DOSES OF INSULIN ,,YOU KNOW IT ,,,I KNOW IT,,EVERY FUCKIN ONE KNOWS IT,,
INSULIN BLOWS YOU UP,,EVERYTHING BLOWS UP AND THAT INCLUDES MIDSECTION!,,THERE IS NO MEDICAL NOTHING HERE NO PHILOSOPHY IT JUST WHAT IT DOES,,AS SIMPLE AS THAT,,
NOW THE REASON PRIEST IS SITTING 225LB 8% HAS A LOT TO DO WITH THE SLIN ,,,THE REASON AN AMATIER TROPOPIN OR WHATEVER HIS NAME IS FROM THIS BOARD IF IM NOT MISTAKEN SIT AT 260LB HAS A LOT TO DO WITH SLIN,,,AND GUESS WHAT THE REASON YOU WON AN IFBB LONG LIFE HAS A LOT TO DO WITH INSULIN,,
THE PEOPLE ON THIS BOARD ARE NOT DUMB,,I MAY MAKE YOU MAD PISSED AND FRASTRATED BUT I SAY TRUTH,,I SAY TRUTH BECAUSE I BEEN THERE AND STILL AM !
SOME GUTS ARE LESS THAN OTHER GUTS,,,YOULL NEVER SEE PRIEST GOING AROUND WITH HUGE GUT FOR THE SAME REASON YOU WONT SEE HENRY GOING AROUND WITH HUGE GUT,,SMALLER FRAMES,,USED LESS!,,NEED LESS,,BETER GENETIC REPOND,,AS SIMPLE AS THAT
THERE IS COMMON LOOK TO ALL OF US THAT YOU CANT HIDE,,,ITS RIGHT THERE FOR EVERYONE TO SEE,,,
ITS ABOUT TIME THAT PEOPLE KNOW AND UNDERSTAND THAT WE SEE INUSLIN AS REGULAR OVER THE COUNTER PRODUCT,,,THE CANADIAN PHARMACIES ONLINE ARE GETTING 100S OF ORDERS A DAY OF HUMALOG AND HUMULIN FROM BODYBUILDERS WHO THE HELL ARE YOU TALKIN TO DO YOU THINK?? YOU REALLY PISSED ME OFF NOW,,MANY NATURALS USE IT! STOP LYING,, I HATE LIARS!
IN ANY CASE,,THE GUTS DONT COME FROM USING 10 UNITS HERE AND THERE AND BEING AFRAID OF GETTING HYPO....THAT IS NOTHING!
MANY OF US AND MANY AMATIERS 20-30 UNITS 3 TIMES A DAY 3 TIMES A WEEK AT THE LEAST! AND THIS IS THE ONLY WAY TO CREATE A BEAST/FREAK,,,OFCOURSE GREAT GENETIC REPOND TO HORMONES WILL HELP TOO :)
SO MILOS,,KEEP SELLING YOUR GARBAGE MILKSHAKES TO THOSE KIDS AND THINK THEY ARE STUPID,,WHILE I WILL KEEP PUTTING IN THEM REALITY OF WHAT IT IS TO BE A BODYBUILDER AS OF 2007
REASON YOU DIDNT HAVE MAJOR GUT WAS SIMPLE! YOU DIDNT USE AS MUCH SLIN AS US WHO DO,,AND TODAY WE ALL DO!
MAKING SIMPLE SHIT COMPLICATED ::) ANY DUMB ASS CAN TELL I KNOW WHAT IM TALKIN ABOUT INLCUDING YOU!
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and the gh use also contribute to the gut,,,but GH BY ITSELF WILL NEVER CREATE THAT GUT! ONLY WHEN YOU START USING AND ABUSING THE SLIN WITH THE GH THE GUT WILL COME INTO THE PICTURE,,THE MORE YOU USE INORDER TO GET BIGGER...THE MORE GUT YOU WILL HAVE......MILOS WAS NEVER BIG BODYBUILDER,,HE WAS CONSIDERED ASTETICS,,LOOK AT OTHERS FOR THE SLIN/GH GUTS
you can take 15 units gh a day and you will not get the gut,, i been there done that never got the gut,,,only the slin in higher doses get the midsection to the level talked about
gotta know your sport fellas gotta know your fuckin sport
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gh15,
can you explain exactly how insulin increases someone's midsection?
It would be nice to know physiologically what exactly happens when taking insulin...don't you think?
Visceral fat is part of it. And yes, you can see this on diabetics and people with severe insulin resistance. A bodybuilder taking large doses of GH and eating a lot of food and carbs will be resistant to a degree. Add insulin to this and it will only get worse.
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It looks like you just got OWNED Milos. gh15 might not type up the neatest looking post but what he does type is pretty obviously from first hand experience. Why the denial?
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and the gh use also contribute to the gut,,,but GH BY ITSELF WILL NEVER CREATE THAT GUT! ONLY WHEN YOU START USING AND ABUSING THE SLIN WITH THE GH THE GUT WILL COME INTO THE PICTURE,,THE MORE YOU USE INORDER TO GET BIGGER...THE MORE GUT YOU WILL HAVE......MILOS WAS NEVER BIG BODYBUILDER,,HE WAS CONSIDERED ASTETICS,,LOOK AT OTHERS FOR THE SLIN/GH GUTS
you can take 15 units gh a day and you will not get the gut,, i been there done that never got the gut,,,only the slin in higher doses get the midsection to the level talked about
gotta know your sport fellas gotta know your fuckin sport
I was never big bodybuilder?
What is consodered big?
Exactly as I knew how to use EVERYTHING correctly - I could make fast gains and compete with the biggest and the best...
In 1999 in which I entered every IFBB pro show organized - I competed over 250 pounds...
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It looks like you just got OWNED Milos. gh15 might not type up the neatest looking post but what he does type is pretty obviously from first hand experience. Why the denial?
Owned ;D ;D ;D...What gh15 (Roland C? ::)) might type what is pretty obvious?
Hmmmm?
Let me see: who do you think had more hands on experience with TOP IFBB pros and Olympia competitors - me or 15?
Also - who introduced insulin to IFBB?
I am "jumping in" to save few of you who would rather believe that MORE is better and that abusing everything is the way to go.
It looks like 15 could be ex- IFBB pro.../
Maybe he can introduce himself and tell us why is he NOT competing anymore...or why his pro career lasted - 2 years?
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Let me see: who do you think had more hands on experience with TOP IFBB pros and Olympia competitors - me or 15?
I am "jumping in" to save few of you who would rather believe that MORE is better and that abusing everything is the way to go.
I don't doubt you have a hell of alot of experience, but it seems you were never the kind of guy who pushed the envelope. If gh15 is Ron C then that might explain why he's not competing anymore, he could well have overdid the dosages with experiments on himself...
You do have a very good point. He does seem to definitely push the extreme 'experimental' levels of drug use side of things in the 'pro' cycles he has posted. But, do you not think the real big guys (around 300 pounds contest time), like Markus Ruhl for example, aren't doing something way up there and experimental with the amount of drugs they are using? There's got to be a bone of truth these cycles gh15 is talking about... these guys are their own science experiments.
I really do hope no naïve competitor tries to jump into any of these cycles gh15 has written about. As with anything people must remember to start of on a low dosage and work their way up to a level they can handle and if you start feeling sick go down in dosage or stop altogether.
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GH, you are saying every pro has used insulin in the last, lets say 10 years or so? that would have to include Lee Priest and Lee has always said(I think) that he doesn't use slin and I for one believe him
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dont come to me with this bullshit when you created plenty of them,,stop LYING ALREADY! im the worst person you can lie to because im the fountain you drink from,,
EVERY ONE THAT EVER GOT SOMEWHERE ON IFBB STAGE LAST 20 YEARS IN PARTICULAR USED HIGH DOSES OF INSULIN ,,YOU KNOW IT ,,,I KNOW IT,,EVERY FUCKIN ONE KNOWS IT,,
INSULIN BLOWS YOU UP,,EVERYTHING BLOWS UP AND THAT INCLUDES MIDSECTION!,,THERE IS NO MEDICAL NOTHING HERE NO PHILOSOPHY IT JUST WHAT IT DOES,,AS SIMPLE AS THAT,,
NOW THE REASON PRIEST IS SITTING 225LB 8% HAS A LOT TO DO WITH THE SLIN ,,,THE REASON AN AMATIER TROPOPIN OR WHATEVER HIS NAME IS FROM THIS BOARD IF IM NOT MISTAKEN SIT AT 260LB HAS A LOT TO DO WITH SLIN,,,AND GUESS WHAT THE REASON YOU WON AN IFBB LONG LIFE HAS A LOT TO DO WITH INSULIN,,
THE PEOPLE ON THIS BOARD ARE NOT DUMB,,I MAY MAKE YOU MAD PISSED AND FRASTRATED BUT I SAY TRUTH,,I SAY TRUTH BECAUSE I BEEN THERE AND STILL AM !
SOME GUTS ARE LESS THAN OTHER GUTS,,,YOULL NEVER SEE PRIEST GOING AROUND WITH HUGE GUT FOR THE SAME REASON YOU WONT SEE HENRY GOING AROUND WITH HUGE GUT,,SMALLER FRAMES,,USED LESS!,,NEED LESS,,BETER GENETIC REPOND,,AS SIMPLE AS THAT
THERE IS COMMON LOOK TO ALL OF US THAT YOU CANT HIDE,,,ITS RIGHT THERE FOR EVERYONE TO SEE,,,
ITS ABOUT TIME THAT PEOPLE KNOW AND UNDERSTAND THAT WE SEE INUSLIN AS REGULAR OVER THE COUNTER PRODUCT,,,THE CANADIAN PHARMACIES ONLINE ARE GETTING 100S OF ORDERS A DAY OF HUMALOG AND HUMULIN FROM BODYBUILDERS WHO THE HELL ARE YOU TALKIN TO DO YOU THINK?? YOU REALLY PISSED ME OFF NOW,,MANY NATURALS USE IT! STOP LYING,, I HATE LIARS!
IN ANY CASE,,THE GUTS DONT COME FROM USING 10 UNITS HERE AND THERE AND BEING AFRAID OF GETTING HYPO....THAT IS NOTHING!
MANY OF US AND MANY AMATIERS 20-30 UNITS 3 TIMES A DAY 3 TIMES A WEEK AT THE LEAST! AND THIS IS THE ONLY WAY TO CREATE A BEAST/FREAK,,,OFCOURSE GREAT GENETIC REPOND TO HORMONES WILL HELP TOO :)
SO MILOS,,KEEP SELLING YOUR GARBAGE MILKSHAKES TO THOSE KIDS AND THINK THEY ARE STUPID,,WHILE I WILL KEEP PUTTING IN THEM REALITY OF WHAT IT IS TO BE A BODYBUILDER AS OF 2007
REASON YOU DIDNT HAVE MAJOR GUT WAS SIMPLE! YOU DIDNT USE AS MUCH SLIN AS US WHO DO,,AND TODAY WE ALL DO!
MAKING SIMPLE SHIT COMPLICATED ::) ANY DUMB ASS CAN TELL I KNOW WHAT IM TALKIN ABOUT INLCUDING YOU!
Asswhole,
come to me (you know who I am and where you can find me) and let's see if you would call me a lier to my face...you idiot. ;)
And yes - I will call you an idiot to your face as you are the biggest one I have talked to lately.
Let's see - who is telling the truth...who is NOT AFRAID to post under his real name AND TELL IT LIKE IT IS...
Just because you were missinformed and thus - complete idiot to take amounts you suggest now to others - doesn't mean it is OK to get everyone else in trouble.
I have seen more cycles and talked to more top pros than you've seen in the magazines in your entire life...
The fact that you admit - you had to find out for yourself said it all...You did find out how NOT to use anything correctly and therefore screwed yourself up in a hurry...Now, you are trying to do the same to others....
Unfortunately - there are a lot of 'bright stars' here who will simply believe you as they would not be able to think with their own head.
Halloooooo - anybody there people?
Do you know that NUMEROUS TOP PROS come to me for an advice?
Do you wonder why?
And can anyone tell me A SINGLE GOOD REASON why would I tell you guys that if you listen to idiots like gh15 you'll end up exactly where he is...(that would be: NOWHERE!)
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GH, you are saying every pro has used insulin in the last, lets say 10 years or so? that would have to include Lee Priest and Lee has always said(I think) that he doesn't use slin and I for one believe him
And so do I...Shawn Ray is just another example...Darrem Charles - another...and God knows how many more...
As the matter of fact SOMEONE (top IFBB pro) is coming to town tomorow - to learn about INS from me - after already competing at the pro level for numerous years...
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I don't doubt you have a hell of alot of experience, but it seems you were never the kind of guy who pushed the envelope. If gh15 is Ron C then that might explain why he's not competing anymore, he could well have overdid the dosages with experiments on himself...
You do have a very good point. He does seem to definitely push the extreme 'experimental' levels of drug use side of things in the 'pro' cycles he has posted. But, do you not think the real big guys (around 300 pounds contest time), like Markus Ruhl for example, aren't doing something way up there and experimental with the amount of drugs they are using? There's got to be a bone of truth these cycles gh15 is talking about... these guys are their own science experiments.
I really do hope no naïve competitor tries to jump into any of these cycles gh15 has written about. As with anything people must remember to start of on a low dosage and work their way up to a level they can handle and if you start feeling sick go down in dosage or stop altogether.
Dorian at his biggest and best was using cycle that would be laughable fraction of what gh15 reccomends.
Plus - I still have fax I sent to Dorian back in (I believe 1997) explaining HOW TO USE INSULIN - as he NEVER DID IT BEFORE...
But, off course - WHY WOULD YOU BELIEVE ME...as certainly gh15 and others know - the truth ::).
And to answer your question - really big guys at the pro level - use the same LOW amounts as I said here before...
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Roland C in his best shape beats Milos in his best shape anyday, but i dont think its him, hes way over the top with his insulin dose though.
But one thing Milos some your guys have the largest midsections on the pro circuit, and when one thinks of slin they think Milos, so insulin didnt contribute to the distension.
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Not hugging nuts here... as some will accuse me of, but in the 2nd shot, looking mighty impressive, and the arms look big too...
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Dorian at his biggest and best was using cycle that would be laughable fraction of what gh15 reccomends.
Plus - I still have fax I sent to Dorian back in (I believe 1997) explaining HOW TO USE INSULIN - as he NEVER DID IT BEFORE...
But, off course - WHY WOULD YOU BELIEVE ME...as certainly gh15 and others know - the truth ::).
And to answer your question - really big guys at the pro level - use the same LOW amounts as I said here before...
Post it.
Did you charge him?
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Does anyone know where Cziurlok lives today etc?
Rise and fall of a world champion.
Once Germany's most successful bodybuilder, now in the court room.
Rolan Cziurlok and his wife Bahar tried to start a new living in Poland.
Wiesbaden (Germany). With ambition and steroids he worked his way up from a former apprentice at the company "Glyco" to a world champion bodybuilder. Following his fast rise was the fall: Roland Cziurlok from Taunusstein-Hahn ended up in the drug scene and finally in the court room.
Searching for Roland Cziurlok on Google provides a ton of hits. Around 2700 websites show mainly pictures of the now 37 year old Taunussteiner, who presents his gigantic muscles at competitions, e.g. at the world championship in Seoul, where Cziurlok won the light-heavywheight class at age 26.
Posters of the native Pole can be purchased on the internet for 11 Euros, supplements are sold under his name. In 1997, his most successful year, he founded a supplement company making 200000 DM (100000 Euros) a year. In addition to that he made 5000 DM (2500 Euros) a month as a professional bodybuilder, which is not much considering his investments and health-wise sacrifices. "You have to be an actor to make money in bodybuilding", he says refering to the top man of his profession: Arnold Schwarzenegger, the star of the "Terminator"-Movies and today's governor of California.
In his good years Cziurlok drove a Jaguar. Today, after his fall, he drives an Opel Vectra. "Turbo Diesel", he adds when asked about it in the court room, showing that he still has his pride.
Cziorlok comes from a poor family. In 1980 he moved from Schlesien to Germany. It took him a long time to lean german. He worked his way up through secondary school and a apprenticeship at automobil-subcontractor Glyco. He is a climber that fell deep. In 2000 several muscle tears ended his competitive career. It was a small step from anabolics consum to wodka and cognac. For his disco-weekends, drinking a whole bottle was not uncommon. Additionally, he doped up with amphetamines and sometimes cocain. His drug abuse was not without consequences. His company crashed and Cziurlok has been out of work ever since, without hope to find a new job. Now he wants to return to Poland. "My future lies in the east", he says.
But before that, he must await his conviction. The 37 year old is accused of selling a kilo (2.2 pounds) amphetamine in a Wiesbadener office, which he denies. However, he admits providing amphetamines as well as 150 kilogramms (330 pounds) of cocain to a friend one year ago.
Cziurlok was left with no choice other than confession of the deal: his friend was an undercover cop. Before that he was an employee at a bank, than an insurance company and finally unemployed. In 1996 he talked to Cziurlok at a fitness show about becoming a bodybuilder and competing. "When I became a world champion, a lot of people approached me", says Cziurlok. But with very few he had the kind of connection as with the undercover cop. The friendship lasted several years, Cziurlok even let his friend stay over at his house. A year ago, his friend asked him to provide him with drugs. He begged Cziurlok for selling him drugs because allegedly he needed to make money selling drugs himself. Cziurlok was known in the Wiesbadener scene as someone who has access to drugs or at least know where to get them (from people who he refuses to name until now out of fear). Shortly after the drug deal, Cziurloks carrier was at a low point. The world champion was imprisoned on remand for 28 days.
He got his act together now, he says: no drugs, no alcohol, but instead a therapy, which he is convinced to turn out successful.
http://www.main-rheiner.de/region/objekt.php3?artikel_id=2050981
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Dorian at his biggest and best was using cycle that would be laughable fraction of what gh15 reccomends.
Plus - I still have fax I sent to Dorian back in (I believe 1997) explaining HOW TO USE INSULIN - as he NEVER DID IT BEFORE...
But, off course - WHY WOULD YOU BELIEVE ME...as certainly gh15 and others know - the truth ::).
And to answer your question - really big guys at the pro level - use the same LOW amounts as I said here before...
So Dorian didn't touch insulin even once during his career? I remember Duchaine saying Dorian didn't like the way insulin made him feel, so according to Duchaine he had in fact tried it.
Imagine if Dorian had used it... 20-30lbs bigger than he was LOL
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Food fighter Kobayashi is also a very good dead lifter.
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2 out of 4 guts, not bad.
Milos looks best.
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Little bit more.
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Gutstavo, D James, Wood, are the guys you associate Milos with mostly,, theres Wolfe now to but also Heiko, so as an observation theres more than a few with the problem.
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holy shit palumboism is setting in what the hell have you done to him milos :-X
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=159146.0;attach=181243;image)
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small triceps, distended belly and wide waist.
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Damn why you used synthole? Your arm looks horrible there. :-[
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=159146.0;attach=181244;image)
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the calves are also oiled.
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the calves are also oiled.
Oh really? ???
dont look like.
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if im not mistaken he told it himself.
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Damn why you used synthole? Your arm looks horrible there. :-[
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=159146.0;attach=181244;image)
those biceps with synthol, just detract from an otherwise flawless physique, i mean the midsection and fron symmetry is amazing
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holy shit palumboism is setting in what the hell have you done to him milos :-X
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=159146.0;attach=181243;image)
In hide's defense he was just guest posing and the pic was snapped before he tensed his abs. But as a competitor he should know to start by tensing his calves first and working up to the top of the body before locking in a pose, or you get what we got here. A bb that forgot to hold his abs.
On a different note, good thing for Milos, synthol is not permanent and his arms no longer look as such.
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He has a long road to go before he's Squad approved.
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I was never big bodybuilder?
What is consodered big?
yes u were big! and one of the best ever. we need bodybuilders with ur symmetry and proportions.
the pics of ur physique looked smooth like a statue....these days they look like gargoyle statues.
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Damn why you used synthole? Your arm looks horrible there. :-[
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=159146.0;attach=181244;image)
Milos himself said "you almost HAD TO use Synthol to be competitive at that time, and everybody was doing it". Really, if you look at Milos' past he is the last person to preach moderate drug use. He did some crazy shit in his day, no doubt. Monster insulin use, IV plasma expanders, taking unknown diuretics, extreme Synthol use, overdosing with thyroid drugs and etc. And this is only what he has publicly talked about.
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the iv plasma expanders was the most interesting concept i ever heard of
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the iv plasma expanders was the most interesting concept i ever heard of
is that stuff in his new shake too?
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GH15 is adonis
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no one could be careless enough to give information that could potentially kill someone except for that idiot
there are seasoned bodybuilders who use insulin and still go into a hypoglycemic coma at times...imagine a stupid 18 year old wiener who wants to impress his some girls to get pussy
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http://discovermagazine.com/2007/feb/visceral-fat/article_view?b_start:int=0&-C
A decent read: visceral fat linked to insulin sensitivity.
I think disgusted has posted about this before in regard to kamali's thick midsection = too much slin
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a large gut can also be genetics...my abdomen is slightly distended, and it has been my whole life. even now i am getting some abs coming in, but they are distended a little bit.
You have intra-abodominal fat just like the pros (but less of it). Keep up your diet and it will go away
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(http://discovermagazine.com/2007/feb/visceral-fat/article_view?b_start:int=0&-C=)
A decent read: visceral fat linked to insulin sensitivity.
I think disgusted has posted about this before in regard to kamali's thick midsection = too much slin
Yeah, he went sort of in depth, using some medical information to back up his claims.
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Milos himself said "you almost HAD TO use Synthol to be competitive at that time, and everybody was doing it". Really, if you look at Milos' past he is the last person to preach moderate drug use. He did some crazy shit in his day, no doubt. Monster insulin use, IV plasma expanders, taking unknown diuretics, extreme Synthol use, overdosing with thyroid drugs and etc. And this is only what he has publicly talked about.
Where did he discuss this, Van_Bilderass?
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Milos pwn pwn pwn, go milos this is a great battle!
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Where did he discuss this, Van_Bilderass?
He had an article printed in FLEX about the synthol use, right after he recovered from the incident- I have the issue but not sure of the date/year.
The Thyroid, http://milossarcev.com/board/index.php?topic=602.0 can be found there.
Diuretics I can't say I've ever read anything about him talking about them, not to say he hasn't, I could have missed it or just never seen them.
On his site, Mayhem, or here, run a search for "Synthol" and enter his name (or check his posts) and you will probably find where he talks about it, but maybe not what you want to hear about it.
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holy shit palumboism is setting in what the hell have you done to him milos :-X
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=159146.0;attach=181243;image)
nahh, he's just not flexing his abs. Hide doesn't have any Paloumboism...last thursday Milos actually addressed that issue -- Hide forgetting to flex his abs. Friday he was doing much better at remembering and the difference was amazing.
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Where did he discuss this, Van_Bilderass?
Musclemayhem, his board, here etc. Do a search, it's all there.
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nahh, he's just not flexing his abs. Hide doesn't have any Paloumboism...last thursday Milos actually addressed that issue -- Hide forgetting to flex his abs. Friday he was doing much better at remembering and the difference was amazing.
It "shouldn't" protrude like that even if he didn't flex the abs at all. He has a bloated stomach, end of story. Every pro with a big belly can use the same exact defense, and have. Ronnie, Dennis, etc.
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midsection looking big there + obliques
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MILOS YOU ARE A LIAR! AND THE WORST ONE THERE IS!
YOU LIE LIE LIE AND THEN LIE SOME MORE INORDER TO SELL COUPLE PROTIEN POWEDERS AND MAKE COUPLE MORE BUUCKS
YOU ARE ONE OF THE SMALLER BODYBUILDERS,,,NOT WEIGHT YOU UGLY INFANTILE,,BUT SIZE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! YOU ARE SORY WERE! 5'10 245 TOPS ( 250+ WOULD BE SHAMEFUL FOR YOU WITH THE MUSCLE MESUREMENTS YOU PRESENTED) ON STAGE AND I DID NOT TALK ABOUT WEIGHT BUT ABOUT SIZE!!!,,,,YOUR MUSCLES DIDNT GROW TO THE SIZE IM TALKING ABOUT SO WHO THE FUCK ARE YOU SAY ANYTHING ABOUT BIG MUSCLE,,YOU WERE ASTETICS SYMETRY AND BALANCE (TILL YOU ABUSED SEO) AND THIS IS WHAT GAVE YOU ANYTHING TO TALK ABOUT,,,SIZE?????????? YOU AND KEVIN ARE SAME WEIGHT BUT SIZE??????????????? KEVIN IS WHAT YOU CALLED SIZE! RON IS WHAT YOU CALLED SIZE,,DON IS WHAT YOU CALLED SIZE,,HELL DEX IS AND WAS BIGGER THAN YOU! GIVE ME A FUCKIN BREAK AND GET INTO THE CAGE YOU CAME FROM YOU DRUG DEALER LIAR!
I SAID I AM COMPETETIVE THESE DAYS ON O STAGE TOP 10 LAST OLYMPIA YOU MORON ,,RONALD :D,,YOU ARE BLIND OR DEAF OR BOTH,,
IF I OPEN MY MOUTH WHEN IM DONE WITH BODYBUILDING I PUT IN PRISON ENOUGH PEOPLE TO MAKE A BIG LARGE EXTENDED FAMILY
DORIAN DIDNT USE INSULIN.....MY GOD YOU ARE THE WORST LIAR I HAVE SEEN AND TO THINK I THOUGHT HIGHLY OF YOU,,YOU ARE AN INSULT TO THE IFBB AND I WILL PERSONALLY MAKE SURE YOUR LEG NEVER STEPS AGAIN IN THE IFBB,,PER FUCKIN SONALLY
YOU ARE A RISK,,,A BIG RISK,,,,AND I WOULD TELL IT TO YOUR FACE IF I WANTED AND THROW 100LB DUMBELL AT YOU,,WHO THE FUCK DO YOU THINK YOU ARE??
MY FRIENDS,,YOU ARE TALKIN HERE TO A PERSON THAT HAS ZERO RESPECT! HAS CRIMINAL RECORD!!!! GOT HANDCUFFS ON HIS HANDS BEFORE LEAD LIKE A FOOL BY LE,,ON THE FUCKIN PAPER HE IS A COOKED CRIMINAL WHEN IT COMES TO AAS AND OTHER PRODUCTS AND BECAUSE OF THAT HE TRY TO STAY CLEAN AND SAY IT AINT SO SO HE CAN MAKE MORE BUCKS "HELPING PROS" BEHIND CLOSED DOORS AND FEEDING PROS AND MANY AMATUERS!! EXACTLY WHAT HE CLAIMS HERE TO NOT DO!!!!,,,USED SLIN ON HIMSELF AND OTHERS!,,,AND ALMOST DIED FROM SEO USE!!!!! AND YES HIGH FUCKIN DOSES THAT LIAR CLAIM TO TINY DOSES \,,YOU DONT GROW NO GUT FROM TINY DOSES YOU FOOL! SHAME ON YOU SHAME ON YOU!
IM TIRED OF YOUR LIES MILOS,,AND YOUR PRODUCTS WHAT EVER THEY ARE WILL GO DOWN BECAUSE PEOPLE HERE KNOW YOU LIE! THEY MIGHT RESPECT YOU FOR LONG COMPETETIVE YEARS BUT LIAR IS STILL A LIAR!
NO WONDER YOU GET IN FIGHT WITH ANY BODYBUILDER TO BE THINKING OF UNLES THEY AGREE WITH EVERYTHING YOU SAY....THE FACT YOU TRAINED A DRUGGIE SUCH AS MARIAN JOHNS DOESNT MEAN YOU NEED TO FEED PEOPLE WHO LOVE BODYBUILDING AND ARE BODYBUILDERS IN LOWER LEVEL ANY BULLSHIT,,BUT NOOOOO YOU FEED THEM BULLSHIT TO MAKE THEM BELIEVE IN OTC GARBAGE! YOU ARE SAME DISGUSTING THING AS LACOUR ONLY TO A HIGHER DEGREE SINCE HE ATLEAST KEEP HIS MOUTH SHUT!
MY FRIENDS LEARN IT ALREADY ,,,,IN MIDDLE EAST THE FUCKIN AAS AND MANY OTHER PRODUCTS ARE OVER THE FUCKIN COUNTER,,,MUSTAF DIDNT NEED NO MILOS TO GET NO WHERE,,,EGYPT IS HEAVEN FOR PROS,,MILOS GO TO VACATIONS IN MANY PLACES AND DOES WHAT IT TAKES TO GET HIS GUYS COMPETETIVE! HIS MAGIC DRINKS ARE NOTHING BUT A SCAM!
FINALLY :) ITS A VERY SIMPLE THING,,,YOU JUST NEED TO LOOK AT MILOS NOW DAYS,,HE GOT GOOD GENETIC REPONSE TO HORMONES BESIDE HIS FUCKED UP ARMS,,AND STILL IN SHAPE,,BUT NOTHING EVEN CLOSE TO HIS COMPETETIVE DAYS! AND HE STILL USES! ONLY REASON HE IS IN SHAPE AND STAND AT DECENT SIZE IS BECAUSE HE WAS TRAINING AND STILL TRAIN FOR MANY YEARS AND STILL HORMONIZED TO AN EXTENT,,BUT THESE DAYS WHEN YOU LOOK AT HIS IN ONE OF THE EVENS YOU VISIT PAY ATTENTION TO THE FACT HE LOOKS LIKE AN AVERAGE JOE IN SHAPE,,,GYM RAT IN SHAPE,,,STRONG POINTS AND BAD POINTS,,
INORDER TO COMPETE IF HE EVER AGAIN WILL COMPETE HE WILL HAVE TO LOAD ON THE ......YOU GOT THAT RIGHT AND LOAD AT THE LEVEL GH15 IS TALKIN ABOUT SO HE CAN GET ANYWHERE,,WHICH HE WONT BECAUSE HE IS JUST TOO OLD AND WASTING HIS FUCKIN TIME!
HOPE
THIS
HELPS ;)
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gh15 laying the smackdown!
haha i love it ;D
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GH15 is great. I got love for this guy. :D
Very entertaining thread to waste away part of my life. C'mon Milos, post some more bullshit.
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DAMN!!! straight slap to the face.. ouch
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:'(
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I know you love the insulin Disgusted, and it has nothing to do with the protruding waists right? :D ;D
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I know you love the insulin Disgusted, and it has nothing to do with the protruding waists right? :D ;D
Protruding waists is actually the only bad thing about insulin.
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at what doses the sides are more pronounced Jim ?
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Okay, first things first, you have to identiy what each of these subtances are then how they perform okay? and Milos please correct me if im wrong in any of this as I am not an authority figure with too extensive research not as much as you anyways.
Insulin IS an extremly anabolic hormone that is made up of 51 amino acid residues ( thats why there are supplements coming out promoting amino acids for nutrient absorption) that is produced by certain cells in the pancreas called Islet cells. When you are doing intense activity your pancreas will secrete insulin in order to push in, mainly carbohydates, to get through the intense work and it will also stay elevated after your workout for around 30-45 mintues I believe, in order to help rush the nutrients to the damaged areas for repair and growth. Your body is in the most demand of nturients after you fast, during intense workouts, and after intense workouts and the insulin is the first step towards getting through these physiological stresses after the proper channels are processed from the hypothalumus to the liver. Now althought the effects of insulin are extremley anabolic, Insulin is not an anabolic substance in of itself. It does not have any growing properties outside immediate use of nutrients and it also has to have a stimulant to aid in hypertrophy. You have to cause some sort of signal to the body that it needs to grow in muscle size/strength before you can benefit from using insulin otherwise you will just store the nutrients which will make you VERY fat.
Human Growth Hormone however, is just what the name states. A Growth Hormone- it regulates the physical growht of the body. You dont have to make sure to take your calcium phosophrus and sodium for your bones to grow while on HGH or something. It will just grow. I am not saying proper nutrient intake is not important while on HGH, what im saying is as a substance, it does not need to interact with the nutrients in the same manner that insulin does. The effects on Human Growth Hormone on the body depend on what stage the body is in as well. For example if you are a child and your pituitary gland is creating an excessive amount of GH for a long period of time will cause a very fast amount of growth in the long bones because the growth plates havent closed yet. This will result in gigantism. If you are older, it is not gigantism as the effects of the excessive GH will not be the same because your body is at an adult level now, here it is called acromegaly. In pro bbers that have used extreme amounts of GH you can see the effects of acromegaly taking place: excesssive growht in the brow line and jaw, thicker hands and feet, the nasal bone enlarges, teeth gap out, you get thick skin.. just enlarged facial features too like lips and tongue ( have you ever talked to a pro or a national level bber on high amouts of gh? sounds like their tounge is too big for their mouth). Now when the GH levels get to a certain point, what the body does is release IGF-1 in order to singal to the body to reduce HGH levels. ( think of HGH and IGF as husband and wife and note that there are different types of IGF too. Also IGF is a growth hormone as well. IGF-1 is also composed of 70 amino acids.)
The IGF-1 is what is actually what is responsible for the tissue and organ growth in the body. Almost every single cell in your entire body is effected by IGF-1 ESPECIALLY MUSCLE, BONE,KIDNEY, LIVER, NErVES SKIN and LUNGS.
So if you take IGF-1 you will develop a GH gut as it will cause growth in the organs which are held where? Mainly in the midsection. However if you take HGH and not IGF-1, you will still have the gut because the IGF-1 is being produced by the body as a result of the HGH intake.
Have you ever noticed a stomach on abodybuilder grow, but the muscles have not gotten any bigger at the same time? that is because the muscle is NOT growing! It is the organs that have grown to larger and larger proportions. Look at Ronnie colemans midsection, his abdominals had almost no space in between them. Now there is a VERY LARGE gap. This is not possible without inward growth of the organs which are pushing the muscle outward and to the side of the body. Same with Dennis James.
You need to quit talking shit and go to school! That is a very uneducated and rambling piece of shit post.
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Protruding waists is actually the only bad thing about insulin.
What about the premature aging? :D
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I can inject my man juice into women and make their midsections grow over a 9 month time frame....Maybe I should start bottling it and selling it as a nutritional supplement...It could be the next big thing.... 8)
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When you are doing intense activity your pancreas will secrete insulin in order to push in, mainly carbohydates, to get through the intense work and it will also stay elevated after your workout for around 30-45 mintues I believe, in order to help rush the nutrients to the damaged areas for repair and growth.
What a load of bollocks. Insulin is not in any way secreted due to doing intense activity! It is secreted when blood sugar is elevated. The purpose of insulin is to regulate bloodsugar levels.
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steroids make you grow by raising igf levels in the body so why dont they make your guts grow, its fat behind the abdominal wall, ive had it from insulin use without hgh, and its mainly from using insulin without hgh, ive spent the last year doing something to reverse the bloat and it worked but i aint telling nobody shit, the fat fucks can work it out them selves, GH v Milos this is getbig at its best.
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its actually very simple,,,any bodybuilder who got the potential to become a pro sees it within first 2 years of training and first year of training with hormones,,every pro has good "genetics",,milos is one,,but to take the good will of the lord that gave you marvelous reponse to hormones and training and to minimize it to only hard work and minimal usage of hormones while competing among the best of the best,,,is an INSULT TO ME,,
all pros are more or less at the same level of developments,,,fuck all amatuers are getting to a point where there is no more no matter how much aas they use,,,so then what?? go to milos lemonade kiosk? comon now lets be real here,,
the fact you were blessed with good physiqe to a point you can make money of it doesnt mean you will be able to compete with the top of the top which are just as blessed as you are!!!! unless you did something diff than they,,
all of us train ,,,every fuckin guy who got to win a pro card ,,every fuckin amatuer that is going to do the local ukraine show,,puts lots of dedication to training food but the main main main diff when it comes to the big leage is doses,,products,,and the response to them.....hoping it wont go overboard and your physiqe will be able to take it all and not over flow or look crappy,,,
kamali couldnt,,,ron could
and about the ray comment,,,it will take milos sacrev LONG LONG LONG LONG TIME AND REBORN INTO A DIFF BODY to get to the beggining of the level ray was,,
a brother with no flaws that is one of the best bodybuilders ever at the level of arnold and haney with a lot less height,,,milos cant touch it and shoudnt compare himself to anything ray has done
for milos behalf,,he was at one time top 20 in the world at any given time,,but no where near the the ron jason ray labrada level NO WHERE NEAR IT
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I won't quote the entire gh15 meltdown above, but I will say, standing face to face with Milos, he is much larger and in much better shape than any of your average gym rats. Honestly, I don't think he is that far off of his competitive weight or size, maybe only 3-4 weeks from being "there".
gh15, you kind of come across like a little baby with this post, if you were a real pro, you would know this.
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I SAID I AM COMPETETIVE THESE DAYS ON O STAGE TOP 10 LAST OLYMPIA YOU MORON ,,RONALD :D,,YOU ARE BLIND OR DEAF OR BOTH,,
1. Jay CUTLER
2. Ronnie COLEMAN
3. Victor MARTINEZ
4. Dexter JACKSON
5. Melvin ANTHONY
6. Gustavo BADELL
7. Toney FREEMAN
8. Markus RÜHL Germany ????????????????????/
9. Dennis JAMES USA
10. Günter SCHLIERKAMP Germany ??????????????????????
Were you in the Masters olympia gh15?
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I think you are completely retarded. How do you suppose your blood sugar levels drop after working out? From having low insulin levels and leaving the sugar to float around in your blood?
Insulin is primarily secreted when glucose is released into the blood stream due to the digestion of food not, definitely not, due to working out you imbecile. You wont just get a massive insulin spike by just working out, your muscle is trying to put as much glucose in your blood through glycolysis and krebs to regenerate ATP so your muscles have energy. If your body secreted insulin to any degree while working your muscles will be starved of their primary energy source.
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Unless you're well on your way to a Masters or a PhD don't bother trying to be intellectual with me. I'll own you.
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na,,its easy to see the truth is on my side with everything that is going out to the media even if you dont know the insides like me,,,but this is really not the point hjere since we are all bodybuilders!
my main concern is when someone that ruined so many physiqes and always have excuses for why his guys dont make it to the "place they deserve" sitting here bullshiting fella bodybuilders that hasnt reached pro status yet inorder to earn a buck
i want the fella bodybuilders on this site,,even the natural alexes to understand that the stomk virus 24-48 horus pre competition is an exuse for LASIX MISUSE and other ingeredients in the soup such as INSULIN NOT VITARGO!!!!! plenty more examples i wont go into
i want people to understand how much garbage bodybuilding got because of lies such as this!!! lies such as this is only the beggining to an abuse of painkillers and then narcotics and from there you flkip on yoru wifey and them you murder a girl in a car and burn her alive,,,party party and guess what ...guess who suffer!!!!
the ones who suffer are the begginers,,the guys who wanna get somewhere in bodybuilding
this sport is not AN OLYMPIC SPORT partly because of the lies,,,a lot more than the drugs because every olympic athlete uses sport enhancing drugs
so its not cry baby but its a reality check
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na,,its easy to see the truth is on my side with everything that is going out to the media even if you dont know the insides like me,,,but this is really not the point hjere since we are all bodybuilders!
my main concern is when someone that ruined so many physiqes and always have excuses for why his guys dont make it to the "place they deserve" sitting here bullshiting fella bodybuilders that hasnt reached pro status yet inorder to earn a buck
i want the fella bodybuilders on this site,,even the natural alexes to understand that the stomk virus 24-48 horus pre competition is an exuse for LASIX MISUSE and other ingeredients in the soup such as INSULIN NOT VITARGO!!!!! plenty more examples i wont go into
i want people to understand how much garbage bodybuilding got because of lies such as this!!! lies such as this is only the beggining to an abuse of painkillers and then narcotics and from there you flkip on yoru wifey and them you murder a girl in a car and burn her alive,,,party party and guess what ...guess who suffer!!!!
the ones who suffer are the begginers,,the guys who wanna get somewhere in bodybuilding
this sport is not AN OLYMPIC SPORT partly because of the lies,,,a lot more than the drugs because every olympic athlete uses sport enhancing drugs
so its not cry baby but its a reality check
you always sound so bitter about your lifes work.
I know, I know, it's just reality ::)
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at what doses the sides are more pronounced Jim ?
You mean slin? Well, the more you take the more the sides as far as gut goes. I have seen guys get in trouble with the guts on 10iu's daily. Some can handle double that with not gut problems, but sooned or later it will happen to most everyone.
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GH 15 is Markus Ruhl, Milos.
Still want to kick his ass my monies on Markus.
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What about the premature aging? :D
Absolutley!!! On a life extension level the lower your insulin levels in general the longer you will live.
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PLease own me climber. you dont even understand something as simple as the discussion were having on blood glucose.
No, you are just an idiot. I'm going to go write up my thesis. You better go and read up on Wikipedia or something because knowledge is something you are surely lacking on.
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GH 15 is Markus Ruhl, Milos.
Still want to kick his ass my monies on Markus.
probably a bad bet, think about it.
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I really dont think so im amost positive he somehow incahoots with or is Shawn Ray.
My money is on Nasser...but whomever it is, he/she/it is trying to kill people.
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This coming from someone that thinks blood sugar magically drops without insulin secretion.
Insulin does play a regulatory role in shuttling blood glucose into muscle cells during workout, but it is not a major factor. If you shoot insulin into yourself during a workout all you will become is hypoglycaemic.
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you always sound so bitter about your lifes work.
I know, I know, it's just reality ::)
Why are you rolling your eyes, numbnuts? Who cares if he's "bitter"...you are not disputing the facts of what he says, only the tone.
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if it is Nasser its makes sense hes Bosnian and Milos is a serb, looks like another blow up in the Balkans, its either Markus or Nasser though, cant see Milos ethnicly cleansing either of them though, great thread though. ;D
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that makes sense. Ive met Nasser and I know Samir Bannout nephew that is his next door neighbor. Dude is totally bitter, stupid and a prick. Uneducated too even though he has like a million PHds or some shit.
Uneducated, yet with a PhD? ???
Kill yourself.
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yeah its gotta be either one of them
why? because HE said he competed in mr olympia ::)
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if it is Nasser its makes sense hes Bosnian and Milos is a serb, looks like another blow up in the Balkans, its either Markus or Nasser though, cant see Milos ethnicly cleansing either of them though, great thread though. ;D
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yeah all PHds should never be questioned about their intelligence. They are god of education. ::)
Monster jealousy.
You didn't say that he was not intelligent, rather that he had multiple PhDs, yet was uneducated. Sounds like you are the last one to comment on the subject. :-\
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Monster jealousy.
You didn't say that he was not intelligent, rather that he had multiple PhDs, yet was uneducated. Sounds like you are the last one to comment on the subject. :-\
Just more proof that MUVIRSE is an idiotic imbecile. Just ignore that ignorant fool, that's what I'm going to do.
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steroids make you grow by raising igf levels in the body
No. Steroids do increase igf-1 via GH but that's not the main mechanism of action. Activating the androgen receptor is.
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You still havent explained to me how your blood sugar drops after working out if your body doesnt secrete insulin when experiencing high intense activity.
I have a feeling ill be waiting 10 life times for this answer.
Insulin isn't secreted to any large degree due to just "working out". You won't have an excessive blood sugar level by just doing intense exercise.
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YOU WONT?????
THAT IS A FUCKING JOKE.
UNLESS YOU HAVE DEPLETED ALL OF THE STORED GLYCOGEN IN YOUR BODY AND HAVE NOT EATIN PROPERLY YOUR BLOOD SUGAR WILL ALWAYS RAISE FROM DOING JUST INTENSE EXERCISE.
Idiot.
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Adrenalin does raise blood glucose
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Monster jealousy of what? My major is Philosophy you dont get into a more difficult subject than that besides physics.
wtf is the difference between not being intelligent and uneducated? Its the same thing. Just because you have a whole bunch of titles from school doesnt mean you are educated.
Guess what? I know three people from Afghanistan that got their MD in the 80s, think they are still educated on Medical Issues? Probably not more than your normal person that studies health a little bit and I know because they are relatives that I have talked to extensively.
Do you have a PhD in "philosophy"? Have you even completed your batchelors?
And where do you get your theory that philosophy is right up there with physics as the "hardest" two subjects? I guess that makes you feel better about yourself. :-\ I found philosphy to be somewhat interesting but basically a waste of time in undergrad. Try obtaining a masters or PhD. in psychology or economics, let alone a number of other subjects.
What is the definition of "education"? I am not talking about intelligence, even though some degree of intelligence is required to make it through several levels of advanced schooling. Explain how a PhD is not educated? No need for you to elaborate...because you are an idiot.
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Why are you rolling your eyes, numbnuts? Who cares if he's "bitter"...you are not disputing the facts of what he says, only the tone.
::) if he is bitter, he will only have bad things to say, probably exaggerated too, imbecile ::)
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::) if he is bitter, he will only have bad things to say, probably exaggerated too, imbecile ::)
So with your cogent armchair analysis of his psychological condition you render him "bitter" instead of analyzing the information presented in his posts, fucktard? ???
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So with your cogent armchair analysis of his psychological condition you render him "bitter" instead of analyzing the information presented in his posts, fucktard? ???
yes, I've read most of his posts and come to that conclusion, how did you come to yours, asshole
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yes, I've read most of his posts and come to that conclusion, how did you come to yours, asshole
The conclusion that you are a cum-guzzling fucktard? I just read your last few posts. ;)
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The conclusion that you are a cum-guzzling fucktard? I just read your last few posts. ;)
jury is still out on you...... but it doeesn't look good :'(
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lol gh15 i love your posts ;D
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i hope getbiggers on this particular siteare smart enough to understand that the reason milos is blubbing and jumping out of his ass lies right and left is so there is no doubt and question that gh15 is not milos,,,he could have easily asked me nicely to say i was not him! insted of this rubbish blubbing and lies and misleading,,getbigger seem to think i was milos sacrev so let you rest assure i am not and dont want to be,,i thank god every day for that
i must admit though that i forgot that first poerson they lookj at closely is him and blame fall on him because he is NOT annonymous,,so i had to make it clear he was not me and i was not him
now its done
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i hope getbiggers on this particular siteare smart enough to understand that the reason milos is blubbing and jumping out of his ass lies right and left is so there is no doubt and question that gh15 is not milos,,,he could have easily asked me nicely to say i was not him! insted of this rubbish blubbing and lies and misleading,,getbigger seem to think i was milos sacrev so let you rest assure i am not and dont want to be,,i thank god every day for that
i must admit though that i forgot that first poerson they lookj at closely is him and blame fall on him because he is NOT annonymous,,so i had to make it clear he was not me and i was not him
now its done
So what would a newb to slin use?
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i hope getbiggers on this particular siteare smart enough to understand that the reason milos is blubbing and jumping out of his ass lies right and left is so there is no doubt and question that gh15 is not milos,,,he could have easily asked me nicely to say i was not him! insted of this rubbish blubbing and lies and misleading,,getbigger seem to think i was milos sacrev so let you rest assure i am not and dont want to be,,i thank god every day for that
i must admit though that i forgot that first poerson they lookj at closely is him and blame fall on him because he is NOT annonymous,,so i had to make it clear he was not me and i was not him
now its done
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GH 15 is Markus Ruhl, Milos.
Still want to kick his ass my monies on Markus.
From the contest results page for the last Mr. O, I think Gunther. On Mayhem someone posted a thread about a book called "Anabolika" Markus wrote and they listed some of the dosages and cycle patterns. None of the dosasges were high at all, maybe 1250mg of test at the highest. I remember DC saying it was Heinz Senior and looking at some of the dosages he recommends they were insanely high.
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From the contest results page for the last Mr. O, I think Gunther. On Mayhem someone posted a thread about a book called "Anabolika" Markus wrote and they listed some of the dosages and cycle patterns. None of the dosasges were high at all, maybe 1250mg of test at the highest. I remember DC saying it was Heinz Senior and looking at some of the dosages he recommends they were insanely high.
I think I was mistaken in that. I was told it was Heinz by someone "pretty high on the ladder" a while back but I dont think that guy was right-and I give my apologies to H.S. I'm good friends with Nassers longtime training partner and asked him personally if Nasser was GH15 and he said "no thats not him". Maybe Bob is right or wrong in that, I dont know. Alot leads it to being Cziurlock but something isnt adding up here. There is no way Cziurlock would know certain things about specific people here in the states being in Germany....Ive read some things he has said that I know are 100% true and thought "how the hell does he know that with him being over there in Europe?" I hope this doesnt piss you off GH15 but i feel your someone "that is definitely in the mix of things" but not competitive in the O arena as you have stated. I think that is to throw people off. There is absolutely no doubt that you have been around the block though...I do know that.
I tend to agree more with Milos trend of thought here in all this but I do know there are some nutjob, kamikaze, deathwish, daredevils out there that dont give a crap about living or dying and their whole life is the mirror, physique and pursuing some sort of bodybuilding glory. But I do believe those individuals are isolated, and not the norm. The most abusive bodybuilder (who told me himself) that I have ever seen (he is not dead but you will never hear from him again) was using 5000 mg of different kinds of testosterone a week along with 13 other drugs including insulin, gh, nubain, etc etc etc and the highest he every competed at was 242lbs. My jaw dropped when I heard all that and I was waiting for him to say "im kidding bro"....but it didnt come. There have been some other major abusers of his ilk but they were the fringe extreme of the sport.....not in the least the norm. So I think its irresponsible to say to people (because this isolated guy did this, or maybe you yourself abused) that everyone who is pro (all 450 of them) are abusers. I think that is a broad general statement. I know of 3 pro's who got their pro cards clean....Ive also seen people that are obsessive compulsive and abuse the living crap out of themselves. I think there is a middle ground in all this that you arent commenting on (for whatever reason I dont know why)
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I know of 3 pro's who got their pro cards clean....
I love it...
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I love it...
seriously
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seriously
dead serious?
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I think I was mistaken in that. I was told it was Heinz by someone "pretty high on the ladder" a while back but I dont think that guy was right-and I give my apologies to H.S. I'm good friends with Nassers longtime training partner and asked him personally if Nasser was GH15 and he said "no thats not him". Maybe Bob is right or wrong in that, I dont know. Alot leads it to being Cziurlock but something isnt adding up here. There is no way Cziurlock would know certain things about specific people here in the states being in Germany....Ive read some things he has said that I know are 100% true and thought "how the hell does he know that with him being over there in Europe?" I hope this doesnt piss you off GH15 but i feel your someone "that is definitely in the mix of things" but not competitive in the O arena as you have stated. I think that is to throw people off. There is absolutely no doubt that you have been around the block though...I do know that.
I tend to agree more with Milos trend of thought here in all this but I do know there are some nutjob, kamikaze, deathwish, daredevils out there that dont give a crap about living or dying and their whole life is the mirror, physique and pursuing some sort of bodybuilding glory. But I do believe those individuals are isolated, and not the norm. The most abusive bodybuilder (who told me himself) that I have ever seen (he is not dead but you will never hear from him again) was using 5000 mg of different kinds of testosterone a week along with 13 other drugs including insulin, gh, nubain, etc etc etc and the highest he every competed at was 242lbs. My jaw dropped when I heard all that and I was waiting for him to say "im kidding bro"....but it didnt come. There have been some other major abusers of his ilk but they were the fringe extreme of the sport.....not in the least the norm. So I think its irresponsible to say to people (because this isolated guy did this, or maybe you yourself abused) that everyone who is pro (all 450 of them) are abusers. I think that is a broad general statement. I know of 3 pro's who got their pro cards clean....Ive also seen people that are obsessive compulsive and abuse the living crap out of themselves. I think there is a middle ground in all this that you arent commenting on (for whatever reason I dont know why)
Sheeet.....Heinz was on Promuscle opnely posting where to get gh less than a month ago as the boards long running sponsor of gh had been dropped. No way is GH15 Heinz57 8)
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seriously
ronnie coleman helloooooooooooooooooooo oo ::)
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I side with GH15, makes good sense to what he is saying and why we have the looks and problems we have today.
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the diff between the reponds coming from milos sacrev and dc is the exact reason why milos sacrev is out of the ifbb making no money out of his so called magic drinks,,,big mouth!! while the other fella making good money and will continue to make good money from tp,,just look at the diff writing style between crook and a normal business man
milos should learn respect wether it is ronald ,,an ifbb judge,,shawn ray,,or joe shmoe
i can expect opinion and got no problem with diff thoughts but going crazy will get him no where ,, not with his athletes and i actually trained there and had quite of respect to him as you can tell! and obviously not with the ifbb,,
this is no banana republic nor is it republiuc of chechnia
little respect can go long long way in life
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the diff between the reponds coming from milos sacrev and dc is the exact reason why milos sacrev is out of the ifbb making no money out of his so called magic drinks,,,big mouth!! while the other fella making good money and will continue to make good money from tp,,just look at the diff writing style between crook and a normal business man
milos should learn respect wether it is ronald ,,an ifbb judge,,shawn ray,,or joe shmoe
i can expect opinion and got no problem with diff thoughts but going crazy will get him no where ,, not with his athletes and i actually trained there and had quite of respect to him as you can tell! and obviously not with the ifbb,,
this is no banana republic nor is it republiuc of chechnia
little respect can go long long way in life
Maybe he thinks its Kosovo...
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Your grammar mysteriously got way better in this post.
Your spelling is also pretty spot on too. Though I notice you threw in a couple token misspellings to keep up the gag. ;)
*YAWN* It's time to find a new axe.
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GH15 is ruhl.
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GH15 is ruhl.
fuking moron...its clear that gh15 1st language is english. that excludes markus, gunter, nasser and roland c.
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fuking moron...its clear that gh15 1st language is english. that excludes markus, gunter, nasser and roland c.
Yeah because all those guys have shitty english skills. ::)
Guess you're the moron.
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dude you can tell from milos writings that english is NOT his 1st language... markus is much worse so is roland's... gunter and nasser are ok but not at the level of an american born person. duh
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THE PEOPLE ON THIS BOARD ARE NOT DUMB,,I MAY MAKE YOU MAD PISSED AND FRASTRATED BUT I SAY TRUTH,,I SAY TRUTH BECAUSE I BEEN THERE AND STILL AM !
ITS ABOUT TIME THAT PEOPLE KNOW AND UNDERSTAND THAT WE SEE INUSLIN AS REGULAR OVER THE COUNTER PRODUCT,,,THE CANADIAN PHARMACIES ONLINE ARE GETTING 100S OF ORDERS A DAY OF HUMALOG AND HUMULIN FROM BODYBUILDERS WHO THE HELL ARE YOU TALKIN TO DO YOU THINK?? YOU REALLY PISSED ME OFF NOW,,MANY NATURALS USE IT! STOP LYING,, I HATE LIARS!
IN ANY CASE,,THE GUTS DONT COME FROM USING 10 UNITS HERE AND THERE AND BEING AFRAID OF GETTING HYPO....THAT IS NOTHING!
SO MILOS,,KEEP SELLING YOUR GARBAGE MILKSHAKES TO THOSE KIDS AND THINK THEY ARE STUPID,,WHILE I WILL KEEP PUTTING IN THEM REALITY OF WHAT IT IS TO BE A BODYBUILDER AS OF 2007
REASON YOU DIDNT HAVE MAJOR GUT WAS SIMPLE! YOU DIDNT USE AS MUCH SLIN AS US WHO DO,,AND TODAY WE ALL DO!
MAKING SIMPLE SHIT COMPLICATED ::) ANY DUMB ASS CAN TELL I KNOW WHAT IM TALKIN ABOUT INLCUDING YOU!
hahahah this is great. I'm with GH; Grmyko and other BBs from the 70s and 80s were mixing Gh and roids with no guts, had to be something else added to the mix.
Because of the grammer and sense of humor if it's anyone known it's probably Ruhl. I liked that shopping vid, dude.
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GH, you are saying every pro has used insulin in the last, lets say 10 years or so? that would have to include Lee Priest and Lee has always said(I think) that he doesn't use slin and I for one believe him
I think with that kind of development it's obvious he uses, the question's how much.
As GH says and i believe, some of these guys are hyper responders to the combo of slin, GH & roids, and/or they don't have the genetic predisposition to gain as much waist size there and/or they were smarter on using absolutely minimum effective doses without going overboard like some others.
Therefore they got the extra size without as much of the negatives. Dillet might also be in the category of those hyper responders who used relatively light doses.
As opposed to some of the guys with problems weren't being too bright on their doses and overdid it PLUS were predisposed to waist growth.
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I think I was mistaken in that. I was told it was Heinz by someone "pretty high on the ladder" a while back but I dont think that guy was right-and I give my apologies to H.S. I'm good friends with Nassers longtime training partner and asked him personally if Nasser was GH15 and he said "no thats not him". Maybe Bob is right or wrong in that, I dont know. Alot leads it to being Cziurlock but something isnt adding up here. There is no way Cziurlock would know certain things about specific people here in the states being in Germany....Ive read some things he has said that I know are 100% true and thought "how the hell does he know that with him being over there in Europe?" I hope this doesnt piss you off GH15 but i feel your someone "that is definitely in the mix of things" but not competitive in the O arena as you have stated. I think that is to throw people off. There is absolutely no doubt that you have been around the block though...I do know that.
I tend to agree more with Milos trend of thought here in all this but I do know there are some nutjob, kamikaze, deathwish, daredevils out there that dont give a crap about living or dying and their whole life is the mirror, physique and pursuing some sort of bodybuilding glory. But I do believe those individuals are isolated, and not the norm. The most abusive bodybuilder (who told me himself) that I have ever seen (he is not dead but you will never hear from him again) was using 5000 mg of different kinds of testosterone a week along with 13 other drugs including insulin, gh, nubain, etc etc etc and the highest he every competed at was 242lbs. My jaw dropped when I heard all that and I was waiting for him to say "im kidding bro"....but it didnt come. There have been some other major abusers of his ilk but they were the fringe extreme of the sport.....not in the least the norm. So I think its irresponsible to say to people (because this isolated guy did this, or maybe you yourself abused) that everyone who is pro (all 450 of them) are abusers. I think that is a broad general statement. I know of 3 pro's who got their pro cards clean....Ive also seen people that are obsessive compulsive and abuse the living crap out of themselves. I think there is a middle ground in all this that you arent commenting on (for whatever reason I dont know why)
Interesting post.
I also believe gh15 isn't a competitive BB. I rather think he is one of the biggest dealers in the states, with good connections to europe.
As i have stated before, if you look at gh15 online statistics, which are visible for everyone, you can see he's not Markus Ruehl. Ruehl is in europe, and if you calculate when gh15 posts, Markus should be fast asleep in europe.
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LET THE LORD OF CHAOS RULE!
Milos shakes are mostly bullshit same as his giant set workouts with pussy weights, gh15 is right about that. Just the same old shit, routines and nutritional info, unecessarily twisted into complicated shit (same strategy all personal trainers use) inorder to sell garbage to idiots....+ in this case milos has a physique to legitimize the bullshit he is trying to sell.
also i share the belief that gh15 isnt an active olympia competitor, doubtful he ever was..but he definately he sits in a position that makes him privy to inside knowledge of the bb world+ he has numerous years of personal bodybuilding experience.
the underlying foundation that holds bodybuilding together is a mix of perverted sexual activities+ self destrucive narcissism+lies +steroids(using, and monetary aspects)+ money from young guys who buy scam supplements+insecurity. (factors are correlated)
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LET THE LORD OF CHAOS RULE!
Milos shakes are mostly bullshit same as his giant set workouts with pussy weights, gh15 is right about that. Just the same old shit, routines and nutritional info, unecessarily twisted into complicated shit (same strategy all personal trainers use) inorder to sell garbage to idiots....+ in this case milos has a physique to legitimize the bullshit he is trying to sell.
also i share the belief that gh15 isnt an active olympia competitor, doubtful he ever was..but he definately he sits in a position that makes him privy to inside knowledge of the bb world+ he has numerous years of personal bodybuilding experience.
the underlying foundation that holds bodybuilding together is a mix of perverted sexual activities+ self destrucive narcissism+lies +steroids(using, and monetary aspects)+ money from young guys who buy scam supplements+insecurity. (factors are correlated)
Ouch!! What a sad perspective on a beautiful sport! And i really MEAN it!! Just because we have the current crop of pros fucking up things doesn't mean bodybuilding (the activity in itself) is held together by that 'mix'....
I certainly didn't dig out this sport interested in all of this bullshit. My personal wish? I would love if the sport could go back in time some 25 years ago.....less drug abuse, less erratic behaviour, less sordid stories, less tragedies, more and more beautiful physiques, aesthetics back, no diuretics, no Momos and Munzers, but more Platz's work ethics and Padilla's simmetry beauty. Along that, more Arnold-like charisma and persona, Labrada's class, Bob Paris' physique and looks inspiring people to take up bodybuilding, Mentzer's versatility, proving that a bodybuilder could be a thinker, too (no need of pratical jokes about his later problems,folks!), and of course, more Lou Ferrigno's being remembered by Pumping Iron and Hulk over sueing his own brother!!! Ah, the good old times.....
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Did Milos back down?
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Can I give you guys some great advice? Don't mess with insulin. It's not necessary to obtain huge growth and it will be saving your Pancreas and the possibilty of Pancreatic cancer later. I have seen 2 close friends go down from this in 6 months..please leave the insulin alone...unless you are on the Pro stage and it is close to the end of your career, back away...PM me if you have any questions...
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Can I give you guys some great advice? Don't mess with insulin. It's not necessary to obtain huge growth and it will be saving your Pancreas and the possibilty of Pancreatic cancer later. I have seen 2 close friends go down from this in 6 months..please leave the insulin alone...unless you are on the Pro stage and it is close to the end of your career, back away...PM me if you have any questions...
Doctor, i have this friend,...
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Mentzer's versatility, proving that a bodybuilder could be a thinker, too (no need of pratical jokes about his later problems,folks!)
well said!
also to 'doggcrapp' does nasser ever come to the boards? does he view them?
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well said!
also to 'doggcrapp' does nasser ever come to the boards? does he view them?
of course he does, you have several pros posting under "fake" names, altho some cant really stand the boards, they cant stay away.
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And even pros who post under false names get flamed, ignored or otherwise disrespected..The idiots on this site don't take advice easily, no matter who it's from..Good luck to anyone who can get through to these guys, the truth of what's real. I've tried, and got disrespected like i was the washer-woman...I know more about this subject than most professionals...and I still get disrespected because I'm a woman...
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And even pros who post under false names get flamed, ignored or otherwise disrespected..The idiots on this site don't take advice easily, no matter who it's from..Good luck to anyone who can get through to these guys, the truth of what's real. I've tried, and got disrespected like i was the washer-woman...I know more about this subject than most professionals...and I still get disrespected because I'm a woman...
your bf doesnt think your a woman ;D
also you should never take advice easily, sure listen to what others say but use your own mind. big lack of critical thinking in the "bodybuilding world".
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the diff between the reponds coming from milos sacrev and dc is the exact reason why milos sacrev is out of the ifbb making no money out of his so called magic drinks,,,big mouth!! while the other fella making good money and will continue to make good money from tp,,just look at the diff writing style between crook and a normal business man
milos should learn respect wether it is ronald ,,an ifbb judge,,shawn ray,,or joe shmoe
i can expect opinion and got no problem with diff thoughts but going crazy will get him no where ,, not with his athletes and i actually trained there and had quite of respect to him as you can tell! and obviously not with the ifbb,,
this is no banana republic nor is it republiuc of chechnia
little respect can go long long way in life
GH 15, have you ever dealt to Roland Cziurlock on any level? Be it personal, business (drugs), training, or at least are acquainted to him personally and competed against him at his time? Just for the sake of clarifying......
By the way, this is one of the best threads i have ever read on getbig.com. There's no place like this, it's a fact. True freedom of speech at its best! Keep it that way , mr. Avidan! 8)
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GH 15, have you ever dealt to Roland Cziurlock on any level? Be it personal, business (drugs), training, or at least are acquainted to him personally and competed against him at his time? Just for the sake of clarifying......
By the way, this is one of the best threads i have ever read on getbig.com. There's no place like this, it's a fact. True freedom of speech at its best! Keep it that way , mr. Avidan! 8)
meltdown.
Stay calm, "cris" it's only the internet.
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meltdown.
Stay calm, "cris" it's only the internet.
Hahahahahahahahahah, ok, DK !!! BPMs are in check, thanx for the concern!! ;D
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Hahahahahahahahahah, ok, DK !!! BPMs are in check, thanx for the concern!! ;D
Cool. grab a whey shake and masturbate more. then the sensation will stop.
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And even pros who post under false names get flamed, ignored or otherwise disrespected..The idiots on this site don't take advice easily, no matter who it's from..Good luck to anyone who can get through to these guys, the truth of what's real. I've tried, and got disrespected like i was the washer-woman...I know more about this subject than most professionals...and I still get disrespected because I'm a woman...
wait I thought you said that you were a gimmick...get your story straight
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And even pros who post under false names get flamed, ignored or otherwise disrespected..The idiots on this site don't take advice easily, no matter who it's from..Good luck to anyone who can get through to these guys, the truth of what's real. I've tried, and got disrespected like i was the washer-woman...I know more about this subject than most professionals...and I still get disrespected because I'm a woman...
the truth is that you as a woman do not pack even 5 lb of lean muscle while reducing your estrogenic flabby midsection to none existant hard flat ironed surface with developed abdominals,,pretty big looking ones if i might ass,,unless you use hormones and few other products
those people on this board,,some are complete morons but some are not,, are not here to get spit at the face,,the reason they laugh at you and at couple other 'all know it pros' is because you lie out of your ass inorder to give image to le that is all over this board and to give image to kids that we pros are supermans,,,
this is not true,,the only diff is that we pros got better muscle shape,,better genetic repond to hormones,,and a lot of free time to get as many hormones and other goodies as we possibly can lay our hands on! and thats a fact
by the way,,having good muscle shape and good genetic repond to hormones doesnt garuntee you shit amongs your group of talented pros! then the difference is,,especially with the big boys anf girls,,in the amount doses and products one takes
lastly just to clarify something here,,
you will never get no where now days 2007 in the top amatuers and or pros unless you use insulin and not 2units a day ;)
now that it is more clarified this conversation can go on,,
remember as long as im in this place i wont let you bullcrap those people,,when im gone you can do whatever
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the truth is that you as a woman do not pack even 5 lb of lean muscle while reducing your estrogenic flabby midsection to none existant hard flat ironed surface with developed abdominals,,pretty big looking ones if i might ass,,unless you use hormones and few other products
those people on this board,,some are complete morons but some are not,, are not here to get spit at the face,,the reason they laugh at you and at couple other 'all know it pros' is because you lie out of your ass inorder to give image to le that is all over this board and to give image to kids that we pros are supermans,,,
this is not true,,the only diff is that we pros got better muscle shape,,better genetic repond to hormones,,and a lot of free time to get as many hormones and other goodies as we possibly can lay our hands on! and thats a fact
by the way,,having good muscle shape and good genetic repond to hormones doesnt garuntee you shit amongs your group of talented pros! then the difference is,,especially with the big boys anf girls,,in the amount doses and products one takes
lastly just to clarify something here,,
you will never get no where now days 2007 in the top amatuers and or pros unless you use insulin and not 2units a day ;)
now that it is more clarified this conversation can go on,,
remember as long as im in this place i wont let you bullcrap those people,,when im gone you can do whatever
LMAO too funny
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the truth is that you as a woman do not pack even 5 lb of lean muscle while reducing your estrogenic flabby midsection to none existant hard flat ironed surface with developed abdominals,,pretty big looking ones if i might ass,,unless you use hormones and few other products
those people on this board,,some are complete morons but some are not,, are not here to get spit at the face,,the reason they laugh at you and at couple other 'all know it pros' is because you lie out of your ass inorder to give image to le that is all over this board and to give image to kids that we pros are supermans,,,
this is not true,,the only diff is that we pros got better muscle shape,,better genetic repond to hormones,,and a lot of free time to get as many hormones and other goodies as we possibly can lay our hands on! and thats a fact
by the way,,having good muscle shape and good genetic repond to hormones doesnt garuntee you shit amongs your group of talented pros! then the difference is,,especially with the big boys anf girls,,in the amount doses and products one takes
lastly just to clarify something here,,
you will never get no where now days 2007 in the top amatuers and or pros unless you use insulin and not 2units a day ;)
now that it is more clarified this conversation can go on,,
remember as long as im in this place i wont let you bullcrap those people,,when im gone you can do whatever
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To GH15...
Dude you seem to have a problem with women who are muscular. There are a couple of men on this site wjho have pics of me. I do not look like a dude..But I am scary huge...5'5"and 165 of muscle at 10%.. doubt me and be made a fool in public...I realize I'm bigger and more ripped than you.. don't make me have Ron, Alesx23 make you look like a penis sucking idiot...Crawl away into your hole now...If that's not enough for you I will call in the back-ups...Flexington you ready to put this dumb-ass down???
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To GH15...
Dude you seem to have a problem with women who are muscular. There are a couple of men on this site wjho have pics of me. I do not look like a dude..But I am scary huge...5'5"and 165 of muscle at 10%.. doubt me and be made a fool in public...I realize I'm bigger and more ripped than you.. don't make me have Ron, Alesx23 make you look like a penis sucking idiot...Crawl away into your hole now...If that's not enough for you I will call in the back-ups...Flexington you ready to put this dumb-ass down???
Your posts are a broken record.
Anytime anyone says something about you, they "have a problem with muscular women" "low self esteem" "deep inside want to fuck you" "suck Alex' dick" or something like that.
Stay calm, it's only the internet. If you really are that beautiful how you claim all the time, then why do you have to care what some idiot on the internet writes about you?
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To GH15...
Dude you seem to have a problem with women who are muscular. There are a couple of men on this site wjho have pics of me. I do not look like a dude..But I am scary huge...5'5"and 165 of muscle at 10%.. doubt me and be made a fool in public...I realize I'm bigger and more ripped than you.. don't make me have Ron, Alesx23 make you look like a penis sucking idiot...Crawl away into your hole now...If that's not enough for you I will call in the back-ups...Flexington you ready to put this dumb-ass down???
U and your chubby self proclaimed natural friend are both delusional. Jesus ::)
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Your posts are a broken record.
Anytime anyone says something about you, they "have a problem with muscular women" "low self esteem" "deep inside want to fuck you" "suck Alex' dick" or something like that.
Stay calm, it's only the internet. If you really are that beautiful how you claim all the time, then why do you have to care what some idiot on the internet writes about you?
Donkey Dump, I thought I had already dealt with you...go away, you have nothing of importance to contribute to this conversation...
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buffgoddes does people laugh at your man voice behind your back?
does it make you cry yourself to sleep every night?
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I never want to insult u but u insult everyone saying that u can do this and that without drugs...man...I thought GH15 laid it out pretty simple for u.
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buffgoddes does people laugh at your man voice behind your back?
does it make you cry yourself to sleep every night?
Actually nobody ever laughs at me...I am worshipped for the Goddess that I am...your lips will never be good enough to kiss my ass...
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Donkey Dump, I thought I had already dealt with you...go away, you have nothing of importance to contribute to this conversation...
WTF??
I didn't even say something against your gender issues. I was just stating a normal observation. Calm down.
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Actually nobody ever laughs at me...I am worshipped for the Goddess that I am...your lips will never be goon enough to kiss my ass...
again another ridiculous "proving i am worth it to people on the internet".
Nobody worships you as a goddess, and also i bet people don't stand in line on your front yard to kiss your ass.
You're sounding more and more insecure.
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again another ridiculous "proving i am worth it to people on the internet".
Nobody worships you as a goddess, and also i bet people don't stand in line on your front yard to kiss your ass.
You're sounding more and more insecure.
Actually I'll just pass on dealing with you at this time,,, but be prepared for the BOOM!
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Actually nobody ever laughs at me...I am worshipped for the Goddess that I am...your lips will never be good enough to kiss my ass...
::)
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Actually I'll just pass on dealing with you at this time,,, but be prepared for the BOOM!
i'm shivering at yuor internet threats.
Actually i was just trying to help you get a little bit more acceptance here, but your threatening and insulting people doesn't really help it. Also pointing out you're the most admirable woman in the world isn't really convincing.
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Getting acceptance by deferring to you...HMMM...no I think I'll pass but thanks anyway...
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Actually nobody ever laughs at me...I am worshipped for the Goddess that I am...your lips will never be good enough to kiss my ass...
your bf claims to be you. ;D
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To GH15...
Dude you seem to have a problem with women who are muscular. There are a couple of men on this site wjho have pics of me. I do not look like a dude..But I am scary huge...5'5"and 165 of muscle at 10%.. doubt me and be made a fool in public...I realize I'm bigger and more ripped than you.. don't make me have Ron, Alesx23 make you look like a penis sucking idiot...Crawl away into your hole now...If that's not enough for you I will call in the back-ups...Flexington you ready to put this dumb-ass down???
You've got to be kidding...who's the she-beast talking shit?
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Getting acceptance by deferring to you...HMMM...no I think I'll pass but thanks anyway...
Show your tits and keep quiet...
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Show your tits and keep quiet...
:-X
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To GH15...
Dude you seem to have a problem with women who are muscular. There are a couple of men on this site wjho have pics of me. I do not look like a dude..But I am scary huge...5'5"and 165 of muscle at 10%.. doubt me and be made a fool in public...I realize I'm bigger and more ripped than you.. don't make me have Ron, Alesx23 make you look like a penis sucking idiot...Crawl away into your hole now...If that's not enough for you I will call in the back-ups...Flexington you ready to put this dumb-ass down???
mr,,
your weight need to be pretty much doubled to be where i am ,,and 3 times volumized which still doesnt look good for a woman because im 4 times most of them!
now do i sense a treatening sounds in your letters?? everyone already know who i am,,the fact eastern europe are eastern europe doesnt mean we dont know english! as you can tell i speak and write english better than 90% of americans
let me give you a little recomendation ok missy? when you talk to me have respect because unlike you who can not confirm exactly with 100% proof who i am ,,i on the other hand know exactly who you are to an exact address,,no not because of your ip who can be many now days and stolen from diff computers,, but from the real world,,i know where to find you where to find your addy and EXACTLY WHO YOU GET YOUR PRODUCTS FROM,,so this is not good to treaten someone who knows who you are to the t with all of the blub you just spoke
so since you like to support the victor the clear,,maybe you will like to have the same destiny,,who knows ;)
get back to the gym and talk less woman!
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NO MAM
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get back to the gym and talk less woman!
Ho smackdown! ;)
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mr,,
your weight need to be pretty much doubled to be where i am ,,and 3 times volumized which still doesnt look good for a woman because im 4 times most of them!
now do i sense a treatening sounds in your letters?? everyone already know who i am,,the fact eastern europe are eastern europe doesnt mean we dont know english! as you can tell i speak and write english better than 90% of americans
let me give you a little recomendation ok missy? when you talk to me have respect because unlike you who can not confirm exactly with 100% proof who i am ,,i on the other hand know exactly who you are to an exact address,,no not because of your ip who can be many now days and stolen from diff computers,, but from the real world,,i know where to find you where to find your addy and EXACTLY WHO YOU GET YOUR PRODUCTS FROM,,so this is not good to treaten someone who knows who you are to the t with all of the blub you just spoke
so since you like to support the victor the clear,,maybe you will like to have the same destiny,,who knows ;)
get back to the gym and talk less woman!
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mr,,
your weight need to be pretty much doubled to be where i am ,,and 3 times volumized which still doesnt look good for a woman because im 4 times most of them!
now do i sense a treatening sounds in your letters?? everyone already know who i am,,the fact eastern europe are eastern europe doesnt mean we dont know english! as you can tell i speak and write english better than 90% of americans
let me give you a little recomendation ok missy? when you talk to me have respect because unlike you who can not confirm exactly with 100% proof who i am ,,i on the other hand know exactly who you are to an exact address,,no not because of your ip who can be many now days and stolen from diff computers,, but from the real world,,i know where to find you where to find your addy and EXACTLY WHO YOU GET YOUR PRODUCTS FROM,,so this is not good to treaten someone who knows who you are to the t with all of the blub you just spoke
so since you like to support the victor the clear,,maybe you will like to have the same destiny,,who knows ;)
get back to the gym and talk less woman!
I realize I'm just a mere woman and all...I only hold 3 state records and one world record in lifting but I'm just a mere woman..oh my..may I ask for your acceptance in the lifting world so i may state my opinion on this board? Dude Shut the fuck up! I probably lift more than you do! Witness the video on youtube that Alex23 and I will produce. It will shut all of you the fuck up...not only am I easy on the eyes,,,I put all of you stupid muthas to SHAME IN THE WEIGHT ROOM... but that's okay, I luv ya guys anyway..especially the ones who admit it and support it...Respect is earned...I have earned mine in the powerlifting and bodybuilding world...beyond that, I'm just looking to be nice to the fans who pay 10 bucks a pop for my autographed pics...see ya at the Olympia...Oh yeah your pic will now be 15 instead of 10...Alex knows who you are..he'll be right by my side...Also may I state that you are so full of shiot on the other accounts...that you could fill a whole manure truck!What a dweeb!!! i thought I was shaking in my boots and booty shorts here for a minute but Alex said it was him just him rocking my world again...it was...gotta go now..my world is being rocked again for the 5th time today...yeah A23
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I realize I'm just a mere woman and all...I only hold 3 state records and one world record in lifting but I'm just a mere woman..oh my..may I ask for your acceptance in the lifting world so i may state my opinion on this board? Dude Shut the fuck up! I probably lift more than you do! Witness the video on youtube that Alex23 and I will produce. It will shut all of you the fuck up...not only am I easy on the eyes,,,I put all of you stupid muthas to SHAME IN THE WEIGHT ROOM... but that's okay, I luv ya guys anyway..especially the ones who admit it and support it...Respect is earned...I have earned mine in the powerlifting and bodybuilding world...beyond that, I'm just looking to be nice to the fans who pay 10 bucks a pop for my autographed pics...see ya at the Olympia...Oh yeah your pic will now be 15 instead of 10...Alex knows who you are..he'll be right by my side...Also may I state that you are so full of shiot on the other accounts...that you could fill a whole manure truck!What a dweeb!!! i thought I was shaking in my boots and booty shorts here for a minute but Alex said it was him just him rocking my world again...it was...gotta go now..my world is being rocked again for the 5th time today...yeah A23
WTF??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? :o
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again another ridiculous "proving i am worth it to people on the internet".
Nobody worships you as a goddess, and also i bet people don't stand in line on your front yard to kiss your ass.
You're sounding more and more insecure.
I am left only to assume BuffGoddess is someones lame gimmick otherwise it sounds like we have another Vince G, Billy Gunz, Mike Arvilla, Vince B, True Adonis, etc... but this time the delusional retard isn't a picture whore for some odd reason ::) ::) ::) Seriously though I can't stand people who gloat about themselves all day yet have practically no one to back up their claims...
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I realize I'm just a mere woman and all...I only hold 3 state records and one world record in lifting but I'm just a mere woman..oh my..may I ask for your acceptance in the lifting world so i may state my opinion on this board? Dude Shut the fuck up! I probably lift more than you do! Witness the video on youtube that Alex23 and I will produce. It will shut all of you the fuck up...not only am I easy on the eyes,,,I put all of you stupid muthas to SHAME IN THE WEIGHT ROOM... but that's okay, I luv ya guys anyway..especially the ones who admit it and support it...Respect is earned...I have earned mine in the powerlifting and bodybuilding world...beyond that, I'm just looking to be nice to the fans who pay 10 bucks a pop for my autographed pics...see ya at the Olympia...Oh yeah your pic will now be 15 instead of 10...Alex knows who you are..he'll be right by my side...Also may I state that you are so full of shiot on the other accounts...that you could fill a whole manure truck!What a dweeb!!! i thought I was shaking in my boots and booty shorts here for a minute but Alex said it was him just him rocking my world again...it was...gotta go now..my world is being rocked again for the 5th time today...yeah A23
Im new here but from what I can tell that is a "Meltdown"?
Muscle Chicks are not hot no they are freaky , Fitness girls are hot and Are still feminine which is a quality men look for… Well at least 99.9% of men. Post a pic of yourslef and let us judge...
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I realize I'm just a mere woman and all...I only hold 3 state records and one world record in lifting but I'm just a mere woman..oh my..may I ask for your acceptance in the lifting world so i may state my opinion on this board? Dude Shut the fuck up! I probably lift more than you do! Witness the video on youtube that Alex23 and I will produce. It will shut all of you the fuck up...not only am I easy on the eyes,,,I put all of you stupid muthas to SHAME IN THE WEIGHT ROOM... but that's okay, I luv ya guys anyway..especially the ones who admit it and support it...Respect is earned...I have earned mine in the powerlifting and bodybuilding world...beyond that, I'm just looking to be nice to the fans who pay 10 bucks a pop for my autographed pics...see ya at the Olympia...Oh yeah your pic will now be 15 instead of 10...Alex knows who you are..he'll be right by my side...Also may I state that you are so full of shiot on the other accounts...that you could fill a whole manure truck!What a dweeb!!! i thought I was shaking in my boots and booty shorts here for a minute but Alex said it was him just him rocking my world again...it was...gotta go now..my world is being rocked again for the 5th time today...yeah A23
on foxnews and cnn they have some times this commercial of geico american car insurance etc with the caveman talking on a news cast set responding to a psycologist saying the following,,
"umm ...what ???"
thats what i thought when i tried to read the post,,god help you :D
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Sorry for the eary post count been reading this board for a long time.
After reading GH15's old posts it seems fairly obvious if it is a pro and not a bullshit artist it is Nasser.
'First came to the states in 1993'
'All drugs no pro comes off'
Although Milos seems to think it's JP Fux by his comments. Which could be feasable, both JP and Nasser seem to be two pro's who burnt out fast by never coming off and screwing their physiques up with too many drugs. Thus they believe or want to believe that you have to take anything and everything to be a pro.
GH15 says some very good points a lot of the time but there are definately cases where his 'all drugs, more drugs is better' drawn-out beliefs are not correct, it's more like he wants to believe it.
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I realize I'm just a mere woman and all...I only hold 3 state records and one world record in lifting but I'm just a mere woman..oh my..may I ask for your acceptance in the lifting world so i may state my opinion on this board? Dude Shut the fuck up! I probably lift more than you do! Witness the video on youtube that Alex23 and I will produce. It will shut all of you the fuck up...not only am I easy on the eyes,,,I put all of you stupid muthas to SHAME IN THE WEIGHT ROOM... but that's okay, I luv ya guys anyway..especially the ones who admit it and support it...Respect is earned...I have earned mine in the powerlifting and bodybuilding world...beyond that, I'm just looking to be nice to the fans who pay 10 bucks a pop for my autographed pics...see ya at the Olympia...Oh yeah your pic will now be 15 instead of 10...Alex knows who you are..he'll be right by my side...Also may I state that you are so full of shiot on the other accounts...that you could fill a whole manure truck!What a dweeb!!! i thought I was shaking in my boots and booty shorts here for a minute but Alex said it was him just him rocking my world again...it was...gotta go now..my world is being rocked again for the 5th time today...yeah A23
Delete your account or just kill yourself. I suggest both.
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Actually nobody ever laughs at me...I am worshipped for the Goddess that I am...
WTF?
epic false arrogance to mask low self esteem.
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WTF?
epic false arrogance to mask low self esteem.
Folks, it's a (rather well known) gimmick. Hint: "they" are soon to compete in a contest you are all very closely aligned with.
;)
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Folks, it's a (rather well known) gimmick. Hint: "they" are soon to compete in a contest you are all very closely aligned with.
;)
yeah its alex23 imaginary gf :-*
they make a good couple tho
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I suggest you follow GH15's advice and start your slin usage at .5cc/day split evenly throughout the day, every hour, on the hour. And while you're at it, add 26iu GH to each of your slin injections so that you get a double whammo effect.
That'll get you growing big and strong in no time!
::)
...moron...
Garret my fiiend please let it go,,
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on foxnews and cnn they have some times this commercial of geico american car insurance etc with the caveman talking on a news cast set responding to a psycologist saying the following,,
"umm ...what ???"
thats what i thought when i tried to read the post,,god help you :D
LOL @ ",,god help you" ;D
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Could you guys see gh15 dating this girl? ;)