PM Question Answered: What causes large midsections?

[Milos_Sarcev]

its called insulin,,and a lot of it

you need to start slin when you are at low bf% as in single digit preferably under 8% for it to blow you up to new dimentions,,timing is also very important and ofcourse type of slin,,

insulin will grow you to a new level of size if is done right at high enough dose,,you will intially lose some poundage and tighten up and if continue consistanly and use growth and t3 you will add at the least 30-40lb of quality muscle all over,,meaning if you start 200lb 7% you will become 240lb 7% if not less but be aware that your gut will grow too no matter what NO MATTER WHAT

everything grows on slin and growth everything no matter how much t3 you use,,the t3 is to keep bodyfat low and even decrease it ,,but the growth is still everywhere

99% of professional bodybuilders use insulin,,that includes any proffesional bodybuilder to ever step on ifbb stage since 1990,,some use more some use less but every one use because you get to a point wherre you are very low bodyfat ripped to shreds and stuck and the only way up is the use of slin growth and t3

professional bodybuilding with out slin would be standing at 210-220lb on stage for a gifted pro at 5'10, thats if he is colman type of genetic response and that genetic reponse you dont buy in grocery store

gh15,

can you explain exactly how insulin increases someone's midsection?
It would be nice to know physiologically what exactly happens when taking insulin...don't you think?

You've been talking so much garbage lately that I really have to wonder if you are all there?

Don't you think that idiots like you have created enough problems missinforming people about bodybuilding supplements of choice?

Using is one thing and abusing complately other...

Stop telling the nonsense you've been preaching here on getbig and leading people to do stupid things you did - that got you where you are today...

[James Blunt]

gh15 is pretty ridiculous. Very adonis like..

[Matt C]

Using is one thing and abusing complately other...

True, but pro bodybuilders do abuse.  Look at Mustafa as an example with his experiences with Aldactone.

[DK II]

You cannot compare diabetes patients to insuline abusing BB.

[Matt C]

Its called a GH gut for a reason, Not an insulin gut, not a roid gut, a GH GUT.

Since you brought up burden of proof, is there any evidence to prove your claim above?

[gh15]

gh15,

can you explain exactly how insulin increases someone's midsection?
It would be nice to know physiologically what exactly happens when taking insulin...don't you think?

You've been talking so much garbage lately that I really have to wonder if you are all there?

Don't you think that idiots like you have created enough problems missinforming people about bodybuilding supplements of choice?

Using is one thing and abusing complately other...

Stop telling the nonsense you've been preaching here on getbig and leading people to do stupid things you did - that got you where you are today...

dont come to me with this bullshit when you created plenty of them,,stop LYING ALREADY! im the worst person you can lie to because im the fountain you drink from,,

EVERY ONE THAT EVER GOT SOMEWHERE ON IFBB STAGE LAST 20 YEARS IN PARTICULAR  USED HIGH DOSES OF INSULIN ,,YOU KNOW IT ,,,I KNOW IT,,EVERY FUCKIN ONE KNOWS IT,,

INSULIN BLOWS YOU UP,,EVERYTHING BLOWS UP AND THAT INCLUDES MIDSECTION!,,THERE IS NO MEDICAL NOTHING HERE NO PHILOSOPHY IT JUST WHAT IT DOES,,AS SIMPLE AS THAT,,

NOW THE REASON PRIEST IS SITTING 225LB 8% HAS A LOT TO DO WITH THE SLIN ,,,THE REASON AN AMATIER TROPOPIN OR WHATEVER HIS NAME IS  FROM THIS BOARD IF IM NOT MISTAKEN SIT AT 260LB HAS A LOT TO DO WITH SLIN,,,AND GUESS WHAT THE REASON YOU WON AN IFBB LONG LIFE HAS A LOT TO DO WITH INSULIN,,

THE PEOPLE ON THIS BOARD ARE NOT DUMB,,I MAY MAKE YOU MAD PISSED AND FRASTRATED BUT I SAY TRUTH,,I SAY TRUTH BECAUSE I BEEN THERE AND STILL AM !

SOME GUTS ARE LESS THAN OTHER GUTS,,,YOULL NEVER SEE PRIEST GOING AROUND WITH HUGE GUT FOR THE SAME REASON YOU WONT SEE HENRY GOING AROUND WITH HUGE GUT,,SMALLER FRAMES,,USED LESS!,,NEED LESS,,BETER GENETIC REPOND,,AS SIMPLE AS THAT

THERE IS COMMON LOOK TO ALL OF US THAT YOU CANT HIDE,,,ITS RIGHT THERE FOR EVERYONE TO SEE,,,

ITS ABOUT TIME THAT PEOPLE KNOW AND UNDERSTAND THAT WE SEE INUSLIN AS REGULAR OVER THE COUNTER PRODUCT,,,THE CANADIAN PHARMACIES ONLINE ARE GETTING 100S OF ORDERS A DAY OF HUMALOG AND HUMULIN FROM BODYBUILDERS WHO THE HELL ARE YOU TALKIN TO DO YOU THINK?? YOU REALLY PISSED ME OFF NOW,,MANY NATURALS USE IT! STOP LYING,, I HATE LIARS!

IN ANY CASE,,THE GUTS DONT COME FROM USING 10 UNITS HERE AND THERE AND BEING AFRAID OF GETTING HYPO....THAT IS NOTHING!

MANY OF US AND MANY AMATIERS 20-30 UNITS 3 TIMES A DAY 3 TIMES A WEEK AT THE LEAST! AND THIS IS THE ONLY WAY TO CREATE A BEAST/FREAK,,,OFCOURSE  GREAT GENETIC REPOND TO HORMONES WILL HELP TOO

SO MILOS,,KEEP SELLING YOUR GARBAGE MILKSHAKES TO THOSE KIDS AND THINK THEY ARE STUPID,,WHILE I WILL KEEP PUTTING IN THEM REALITY OF WHAT IT IS TO BE A BODYBUILDER AS OF 2007

REASON YOU DIDNT HAVE MAJOR GUT WAS SIMPLE! YOU DIDNT USE AS MUCH SLIN AS US WHO DO,,AND TODAY WE ALL DO!

MAKING SIMPLE SHIT COMPLICATED ANY DUMB ASS CAN TELL I KNOW WHAT IM TALKIN ABOUT INLCUDING YOU!

[gh15]

and the gh use also contribute to the gut,,,but GH BY ITSELF WILL NEVER CREATE THAT GUT! ONLY WHEN YOU START USING AND ABUSING THE SLIN WITH THE GH THE GUT WILL COME INTO THE PICTURE,,THE MORE YOU USE INORDER TO GET BIGGER...THE MORE GUT YOU WILL HAVE......MILOS WAS NEVER BIG BODYBUILDER,,HE WAS CONSIDERED ASTETICS,,LOOK AT OTHERS FOR THE SLIN/GH GUTS

you can take 15 units gh a day and you will not get the gut,, i been there done that never got the gut,,,only the slin in higher doses get the midsection to the level talked about

gotta know your sport fellas gotta know your fuckin sport

[Van_Bilderass]

gh15,

can you explain exactly how insulin increases someone's midsection?
It would be nice to know physiologically what exactly happens when taking insulin...don't you think?

Visceral fat is part of it. And yes, you can see this on diabetics and people with severe insulin resistance. A bodybuilder taking large doses of GH and eating a lot of food and carbs will be resistant to a degree. Add insulin to this and it will only get worse.

[climber]

It looks like you just got OWNED Milos. gh15 might not type up the neatest looking post but what he does type is pretty obviously from first hand experience. Why the denial?

[Milos_Sarcev]

and the gh use also contribute to the gut,,,but GH BY ITSELF WILL NEVER CREATE THAT GUT! ONLY WHEN YOU START USING AND ABUSING THE SLIN WITH THE GH THE GUT WILL COME INTO THE PICTURE,,THE MORE YOU USE INORDER TO GET BIGGER...THE MORE GUT YOU WILL HAVE......MILOS WAS NEVER BIG BODYBUILDER,,HE WAS CONSIDERED ASTETICS,,LOOK AT OTHERS FOR THE SLIN/GH GUTS

you can take 15 units gh a day and you will not get the gut,, i been there done that never got the gut,,,only the slin in higher doses get the midsection to the level talked about

gotta know your sport fellas gotta know your fuckin sport

I was never big bodybuilder?
What is consodered big?

Exactly as I knew how to use EVERYTHING correctly - I could make fast gains and compete with the biggest and the best...
In 1999 in which I entered every IFBB pro show organized - I competed over 250 pounds...

[Milos_Sarcev]

It looks like you just got OWNED Milos. gh15 might not type up the neatest looking post but what he does type is pretty obviously from first hand experience. Why the denial?

Owned ...What gh15 (Roland C? ) might type what is pretty obvious?
Hmmmm?

Let me see: who do you think had more hands on experience with TOP IFBB pros and Olympia competitors - me or 15?

Also - who introduced insulin to IFBB?

I am "jumping in" to save few of you who would rather believe that MORE is better and that abusing everything is the way to go.

It looks like 15 could be ex- IFBB pro.../

Maybe he can introduce himself and tell us why is he NOT competing anymore...or why his pro career lasted - 2 years?

[climber]

Let me see: who do you think had more hands on experience with TOP IFBB pros and Olympia competitors - me or 15?

I am "jumping in" to save few of you who would rather believe that MORE is better and that abusing everything is the way to go.

I don't doubt you have a hell of alot of experience, but it seems you were never the kind of guy who pushed the envelope. If gh15 is Ron C then that might explain why he's not competing anymore, he could well have overdid the dosages with experiments on himself...

You do have a very good point. He does seem to definitely push the extreme 'experimental' levels of drug use side of things in the 'pro' cycles he has posted. But, do you not think the real big guys (around 300 pounds contest time), like Markus Ruhl for example, aren't doing something way up there and experimental with the amount of drugs they are using? There's got to be a bone of truth these cycles gh15 is talking about... these guys are their own science experiments.

I really do hope no naïve competitor tries to jump into any of these cycles gh15 has written about. As with anything people must remember to start of on a low dosage and work their way up to a level they can handle and if you start feeling sick go down in dosage or stop altogether.

[will938]

GH, you are saying every pro has used insulin in the last, lets say 10 years or so? that would have to include Lee Priest and Lee has always said(I think) that he doesn't use slin and I for one believe him

[Milos_Sarcev]

dont come to me with this bullshit when you created plenty of them,,stop LYING ALREADY! im the worst person you can lie to because im the fountain you drink from,,

EVERY ONE THAT EVER GOT SOMEWHERE ON IFBB STAGE LAST 20 YEARS IN PARTICULAR  USED HIGH DOSES OF INSULIN ,,YOU KNOW IT ,,,I KNOW IT,,EVERY FUCKIN ONE KNOWS IT,,

INSULIN BLOWS YOU UP,,EVERYTHING BLOWS UP AND THAT INCLUDES MIDSECTION!,,THERE IS NO MEDICAL NOTHING HERE NO PHILOSOPHY IT JUST WHAT IT DOES,,AS SIMPLE AS THAT,,

NOW THE REASON PRIEST IS SITTING 225LB 8% HAS A LOT TO DO WITH THE SLIN ,,,THE REASON AN AMATIER TROPOPIN OR WHATEVER HIS NAME IS  FROM THIS BOARD IF IM NOT MISTAKEN SIT AT 260LB HAS A LOT TO DO WITH SLIN,,,AND GUESS WHAT THE REASON YOU WON AN IFBB LONG LIFE HAS A LOT TO DO WITH INSULIN,,

THE PEOPLE ON THIS BOARD ARE NOT DUMB,,I MAY MAKE YOU MAD PISSED AND FRASTRATED BUT I SAY TRUTH,,I SAY TRUTH BECAUSE I BEEN THERE AND STILL AM !

SOME GUTS ARE LESS THAN OTHER GUTS,,,YOULL NEVER SEE PRIEST GOING AROUND WITH HUGE GUT FOR THE SAME REASON YOU WONT SEE HENRY GOING AROUND WITH HUGE GUT,,SMALLER FRAMES,,USED LESS!,,NEED LESS,,BETER GENETIC REPOND,,AS SIMPLE AS THAT

THERE IS COMMON LOOK TO ALL OF US THAT YOU CANT HIDE,,,ITS RIGHT THERE FOR EVERYONE TO SEE,,,

ITS ABOUT TIME THAT PEOPLE KNOW AND UNDERSTAND THAT WE SEE INUSLIN AS REGULAR OVER THE COUNTER PRODUCT,,,THE CANADIAN PHARMACIES ONLINE ARE GETTING 100S OF ORDERS A DAY OF HUMALOG AND HUMULIN FROM BODYBUILDERS WHO THE HELL ARE YOU TALKIN TO DO YOU THINK?? YOU REALLY PISSED ME OFF NOW,,MANY NATURALS USE IT! STOP LYING,, I HATE LIARS!

IN ANY CASE,,THE GUTS DONT COME FROM USING 10 UNITS HERE AND THERE AND BEING AFRAID OF GETTING HYPO....THAT IS NOTHING!

MANY OF US AND MANY AMATIERS 20-30 UNITS 3 TIMES A DAY 3 TIMES A WEEK AT THE LEAST! AND THIS IS THE ONLY WAY TO CREATE A BEAST/FREAK,,,OFCOURSE  GREAT GENETIC REPOND TO HORMONES WILL HELP TOO

SO MILOS,,KEEP SELLING YOUR GARBAGE MILKSHAKES TO THOSE KIDS AND THINK THEY ARE STUPID,,WHILE I WILL KEEP PUTTING IN THEM REALITY OF WHAT IT IS TO BE A BODYBUILDER AS OF 2007

REASON YOU DIDNT HAVE MAJOR GUT WAS SIMPLE! YOU DIDNT USE AS MUCH SLIN AS US WHO DO,,AND TODAY WE ALL DO!

MAKING SIMPLE SHIT COMPLICATED ANY DUMB ASS CAN TELL I KNOW WHAT IM TALKIN ABOUT INLCUDING YOU!

Asswhole,

come to me (you know who I am and where you can find me) and let's see if you would call me a lier to my face...you idiot.
And yes - I will call you an idiot to your face as you are the biggest one I have talked to lately.
Let's see - who is telling the truth...who is NOT AFRAID to post under his real name AND TELL IT LIKE IT IS...

Just because you were missinformed and thus - complete idiot to take amounts you suggest now to others - doesn't mean it is OK to get everyone else in trouble.

I have seen more cycles and talked to more top pros than you've seen in the magazines in your entire life...

The fact that you admit - you had to find out for yourself said it all...You did find out how NOT to use anything correctly and therefore screwed yourself up in a hurry...Now, you are trying to do the same to others....

Unfortunately - there are a lot of 'bright stars' here who will simply believe you as they would not be able to think with their own head.

Halloooooo - anybody there people?

Do you know that NUMEROUS TOP PROS come to me for an advice?

Do you wonder why?

And can anyone tell me A SINGLE GOOD REASON why would I tell you guys that if you listen to idiots like gh15 you'll end up exactly where he is...(that would be: NOWHERE!)

[Milos_Sarcev]

GH, you are saying every pro has used insulin in the last, lets say 10 years or so? that would have to include Lee Priest and Lee has always said(I think) that he doesn't use slin and I for one believe him

And so do I...Shawn Ray is just another example...Darrem Charles - another...and God knows how many more...
As the matter of fact SOMEONE (top IFBB pro) is coming to town tomorow - to learn about INS from me - after already competing at the pro level for numerous years...

[Milos_Sarcev]

I don't doubt you have a hell of alot of experience, but it seems you were never the kind of guy who pushed the envelope. If gh15 is Ron C then that might explain why he's not competing anymore, he could well have overdid the dosages with experiments on himself...

You do have a very good point. He does seem to definitely push the extreme 'experimental' levels of drug use side of things in the 'pro' cycles he has posted. But, do you not think the real big guys (around 300 pounds contest time), like Markus Ruhl for example, aren't doing something way up there and experimental with the amount of drugs they are using? There's got to be a bone of truth these cycles gh15 is talking about... these guys are their own science experiments.

I really do hope no naïve competitor tries to jump into any of these cycles gh15 has written about. As with anything people must remember to start of on a low dosage and work their way up to a level they can handle and if you start feeling sick go down in dosage or stop altogether.

Dorian at his biggest and best was using cycle that would be laughable fraction of what gh15 reccomends.

Plus - I still have fax I sent to Dorian back in (I believe 1997) explaining HOW TO USE INSULIN - as he NEVER DID IT BEFORE...
But, off course - WHY WOULD YOU BELIEVE ME...as certainly gh15 and others know - the truth .

And to answer your question - really big guys at the pro level - use the same LOW amounts as I said here before...

[honest]

Roland C in his best shape beats Milos in his best shape anyday, but i dont think its him, hes way over the top with his insulin dose though.
But one thing Milos some your guys have the largest midsections on the pro circuit, and when one thinks of slin they think Milos, so insulin didnt contribute to the distension.

[Figo]

Not hugging nuts here... as some will accuse me of, but in the 2nd shot, looking mighty impressive, and the arms look big too...

[Figo]

Dorian at his biggest and best was using cycle that would be laughable fraction of what gh15 reccomends.

Plus - I still have fax I sent to Dorian back in (I believe 1997) explaining HOW TO USE INSULIN - as he NEVER DID IT BEFORE...
But, off course - WHY WOULD YOU BELIEVE ME...as certainly gh15 and others know - the truth .

And to answer your question - really big guys at the pro level - use the same LOW amounts as I said here before...

Post it.

Did you charge him?

[Van_Bilderass]

Does anyone know where Cziurlok lives today etc?

Rise and fall of a world champion.
Once Germany's most successful bodybuilder, now in the court room.

Rolan Cziurlok and his wife Bahar tried to start a new living in Poland.

Wiesbaden (Germany). With ambition and steroids he worked his way up from a former apprentice at the company "Glyco" to a world champion bodybuilder. Following his fast rise was the fall: Roland Cziurlok from Taunusstein-Hahn ended up in the drug scene and finally in the court room.

Searching for Roland Cziurlok on Google provides a ton of hits. Around 2700 websites show mainly pictures of the now 37 year old Taunussteiner, who presents his gigantic muscles at competitions, e.g. at the world championship in Seoul, where Cziurlok won the light-heavywheight class at age 26.

Posters of the native Pole can be purchased on the internet for 11 Euros, supplements are sold under his name. In 1997, his most successful year, he founded a supplement company making 200000 DM (100000 Euros) a year. In addition to that he made 5000 DM (2500 Euros) a month as a professional bodybuilder, which is not much considering his investments and health-wise sacrifices. "You have to be an actor to make money in bodybuilding", he says refering to the top man of his profession: Arnold Schwarzenegger, the star of the "Terminator"-Movies and today's governor of California.

In his good years Cziurlok drove a Jaguar. Today, after his fall, he drives an Opel Vectra. "Turbo Diesel", he adds when asked about it in the court room, showing that he still has his pride.

Cziorlok comes from a poor family. In 1980 he moved from Schlesien to Germany. It took him a long time to lean german. He worked his way up through secondary school and a apprenticeship at automobil-subcontractor Glyco. He is a climber that fell deep. In 2000 several muscle tears ended his competitive career. It was a small step from anabolics consum to wodka and cognac. For his disco-weekends, drinking a whole bottle was not uncommon. Additionally, he doped up with amphetamines and sometimes cocain. His drug abuse was not without consequences. His company crashed and Cziurlok has been out of work ever since, without hope to find a new job. Now he wants to return to Poland. "My future lies in the east", he says.

But before that, he must await his conviction. The 37 year old is accused of selling a kilo (2.2 pounds) amphetamine in a Wiesbadener office, which he denies. However, he admits providing amphetamines as well as 150 kilogramms (330 pounds) of cocain to a friend one year ago.

Cziurlok was left with no choice other than confession of the deal: his friend was an undercover cop. Before that he was an employee at a bank, than an insurance company and finally unemployed. In 1996 he talked to Cziurlok at a fitness show about becoming a bodybuilder and competing. "When I became a world champion, a lot of people approached me", says Cziurlok. But with very few he had the kind of connection as with the undercover cop. The friendship lasted several years, Cziurlok even let his friend stay over at his house. A year ago, his friend asked him to provide him with drugs. He begged Cziurlok for selling him drugs because allegedly he needed to make money selling drugs himself. Cziurlok was known in the Wiesbadener scene as someone who has access to drugs or at least know where to get them (from people who he refuses to name until now out of fear). Shortly after the drug deal, Cziurloks carrier was at a low point. The world champion was imprisoned on remand for 28 days.

He got his act together now, he says: no drugs, no alcohol, but instead a therapy, which he is convinced to turn out successful.

http://www.main-rheiner.de/region/objekt.php3?artikel_id=2050981

[Van_Bilderass]

Dorian at his biggest and best was using cycle that would be laughable fraction of what gh15 reccomends.

Plus - I still have fax I sent to Dorian back in (I believe 1997) explaining HOW TO USE INSULIN - as he NEVER DID IT BEFORE...
But, off course - WHY WOULD YOU BELIEVE ME...as certainly gh15 and others know - the truth .

And to answer your question - really big guys at the pro level - use the same LOW amounts as I said here before...

So Dorian didn't touch insulin even once during his career? I remember Duchaine saying Dorian didn't like the way insulin made him feel, so according to Duchaine he had in fact tried it.

Imagine if Dorian had used it... 20-30lbs bigger than he was LOL

[kyomu]

Food fighter Kobayashi is also a very good dead lifter.

[Figo]

2 out of 4 guts, not bad.

Milos looks best.

[kyomu]

Little bit more.

[honest]

Gutstavo, D James, Wood, are the guys you associate Milos with mostly,, theres Wolfe now to but also Heiko, so as an observation theres more than a few with the problem.