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Drug czar gives warning
Federal official calls marijuana growers dangerous terrorists
http://www.redding.com/news/2007/jul/13/drug-czar-gives-warning/
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Drug czar gives warning
Federal official calls marijuana growers dangerous terrorists
http://www.redding.com/news/2007/jul/13/drug-czar-gives-warning/
I think CJ just pooped his pants. ;D
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This is my favorite quote from the piece. Walters likes his hyperbole.
"John P. Walters, President Bush's drug czar, said the people who plant and tend the gardens are terrorists who wouldn't hesitate to help other terrorists get into the country with the aim of causing mass casualties."
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"Don't buy drugs. They fund violence and terror," he said
Sounds right to me.
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"Don't buy drugs. They fund violence and terror," he said
Sounds right to me.
I'd like to see some proof that these growers are actually funding violence and terror - funny how they just say it but never offer any proof (notice that the Right does this alot). They don't need to paint them with the terrorist brush to justify the raids.
It's well known that mexican gangs grow pot on US public lands and every few years there is a story about some unfortunate hiker who stumbles upon a patch and get's shot. I think it even happened to a US marshal (could be wrong about the agency) in the Santa Cruz mountains a few years ago.
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I'd like to see some proof that these growers are actually funding violence and terror - funny how they just say it but never offer any proof (notice that the Right does this alot). They don't need to paint them with the terrorist brush to justify the raids.
It's well known that mexican gangs grow pot on US public lands and every few years there is a story about some unfortunate hiker who stumbles upon a patch and get's shot. I think it even happened to a US marshal (could be wrong about the agency) in the Santa Cruz mountains a few years ago.
Are you kidding?? All of the purchase of marijuana on the street is illegal. Everyone selling it is breaking the law. These drug dealers use violence to control their enterprise, including beatings, murder, maiming, etc. A lot of gang violence is directly attributable to the illegal drug industry, including marijuana. Go talk to a cop or two.
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Are you kidding?? All of the purchase of marijuana on the street is illegal. Everyone selling it is breaking the law. These drug dealers use violence to control their enterprise, including beatings, murder, maiming, etc. A lot of gang violence is directly attributable to the illegal drug industry, including marijuana. Go talk to cop or two.
you're forgot to show me proof that it's related to TERRORISM
Many people get pot legally via a doctors prescription and many others grow their own or buy it from friends who grow
Most dealers involved in the type of activity you describe are selling many other drugs besides pot
I will take your advise and talk to a cop tonight and we'll probably smoke a joint too.
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There is alot of evidence right now that coyotes who run dealers and illiegals across the bairder, may be taking other foreign illigals over the border because it pays more. Its a very dangerous secondary effect of a BS border policy. Bush has done nothing and neither have the Dems. Usually one will be pushing for it (generic issue) while the other critizes and attacks.
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Are you kidding?? All of the purchase of marijuana on the street is illegal. Everyone selling it is breaking the law. These drug dealers use violence to control their enterprise, including beatings, murder, maiming, etc. A lot of gang violence is directly attributable to the illegal drug industry, including marijuana. Go talk to a cop or two.
Sounds like prohibition to me. And we all know what a success that was for America.
I prefer to think of the american home-growers as average americans...not terrorist sympathizers. If Pfizer or Lily could corner the market on pot, it would find its way to legalization rather quickly.
But let's not discount the drug dealer/terrorist connection. The Iran contra affair was allegedly funded through CIA cocaine distribution. That drug money was used to buy arms to sell to Iran--a member of the axis of evil.
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you're forgot to show me proof that it's related to TERRORISM
Many people get pot legally via a doctors prescription and many others grow their own or buy it from friends who grow
Most dealers involved in the type of activity you describe are selling many other drugs besides pot
I will take your advise and talk to a cop tonight and we'll probably smoke a joint too.
I see. You're a pothead. Why I am not surprised?
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Sounds like prohibition to me. And we all know what a success that was for America.
I prefer to think of the american home-growers as average americans...not terrorist sympathizers. If Pfizer or Lily could corner the market on pot, it would find its way to legalization rather quickly.
But let's not discount the drug dealer/terrorist connection. The Iran contra affair was allegedly funded through CIA cocaine distribution. That drug money was used to buy arms to sell to Iran--a member of the axis of evil.
There are a ton of home-growers in Hawaii, particularly on the Big Island. I don't think they pose the same menace as dealers you find in the inner city. Those guys are bad news.
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I see. You're a pothead. Why I am not surprised?
I'll take a page out of your book - ad hominem deflection
Way to avoid the topic at hand
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Are you kidding?? All of the purchase of marijuana on the street is illegal. Everyone selling it is breaking the law. These drug dealers use violence to control their enterprise, including beatings, murder, maiming, etc. A lot of gang violence is directly attributable to the illegal drug industry, including marijuana. Go talk to a cop or two.
That's it? The only valid reason you have is a government law which bans the drug? You know, there were once laws against certain races of people in the united states.. These laws prevented them from voting and having equal rights. Tell me, were those valid laws?
And you provided no evidence showing that marijuana growers fund terrorism, or are involved in mass violence.. Shows how little you know.
Truth is, the violence and illegal activity that does take place, does so directly because of the war on drugs. And the stuff you mentioned only happens with hardcore stuff like cocaine and heroin.. Which cause serious addiction and are pretty dangerous. Marijuana is sold by non-violent dealers. Pot is not as expensive, so it doesn't involve really involve the use of firearms or knives by street dealers.
Coke and heroin are gang oriented drugs.. The cartels of certain nations smuggle them in, then it becomes the smugglers', who themselves sell to street dealers, who then cut the drugs with fillers and sell at a very high markup. There are several parties involved, maybed 3-5 different factions.
Weed usually involves 2 parties.. The growers grows and sells it to street dealers, who sell to clients. There's no cutting or filling and the amounts involved range for $10 to a few hundred. That's it.. No violence is product of marijuana and its production/distribution.
The truth is.. Pot is not legalized because that would cut out a lot of law enforcement official jobs. Also, pot is not as ingrained in american culture as alcohol, which is far worse than marijuana could ever be.
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That's it? The only valid reason you have is a government law which bans the drug? You know, there were once laws against certain races of people in the united states.. These laws prevented them from voting and having equal rights. Tell me, were those valid laws?
And you provided no evidence showing that marijuana growers fund terrorism, or are involved in mass violence.. Shows how little you know.
Truth is, the violence and illegal activity that does take place, does so directly because of the war on drugs. And the stuff you mentioned only happens with hardcore stuff like cocaine and heroin.. Which cause serious addiction and are pretty dangerous. Marijuana is sold by non-violent dealers. Pot is not as expensive, so it doesn't involve really involve the use of firearms or knives by street dealers.
Coke and heroin are gang oriented drugs.. The cartels of certain nations smuggle them in, then it becomes the smugglers', who themselves sell to street dealers, who then cut the drugs with fillers and sell at a very high markup. There are several parties involved, maybed 3-5 different factions.
Weed usually involves 2 parties.. The growers grows and sells it to street dealers, who sell to clients. There's no cutting or filling and the amounts involved range for $10 to a few hundred. That's it.. No violence is product of marijuana and its production/distribution.
The truth is.. Pot is not legalized because that would cut out a lot of law enforcement official jobs. Also, pot is not as ingrained in american culture as alcohol, which is far worse than marijuana could ever be.
You are comparing laws prohibiting marijuana with Jim Crow? That's just silly Camel.
You are wrong about the drug industry. The kinds of drugs being sold on the street have evolved over time, but there is little to separate the gangs and dealers that do big business. They sell multiple drugs, including marijuana. You cannot draw conclusions based on your purchase of marijuana from someone who grows the stuff in their backyard.
This entire industry is violent. It is not a legitimate industry. They don't have contracts to do business like a normal enterprise. They don't sue when a deal goes badly. They use threats and violence to run their business.
I think this statement is correct: "Don't buy drugs. They fund violence and terror," he said. No question the industry is controlled by violence. I also wouldn't discount the link between terrorism and the drug industry. Terrorists, like many criminals, are always seeking ways to make and launder money.
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Are you kidding?? All of the purchase of marijuana on the street is illegal. Everyone selling it is breaking the law. These drug dealers use violence to control their enterprise, including beatings, murder, maiming, etc. A lot of gang violence is directly attributable to the illegal drug industry, including marijuana. Go talk to a cop or two.
So I guess Vitter is a terrorist, he purchased up to 7 hooker, from the streets which is illegal. Everyone buying sex is breaking the law. These sex solicitors use money and power to encourage violence, STDs, rape, drug abuse, murder, domestic violence, hmmm late term abortions. A lot of gang violence is directlye attributed to the illegal prostitution of women.
Vitter go hand yourself into a cop
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Terrorism!
Terrorism!
Terrorism!
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So I guess Vitter is a terrorist, he purchased up to 7 hooker, from the streets which is illegal. Everyone buying sex is breaking the law. These sex solicitors use money and power to encourage violence, STDs, rape, drug abuse, murder, domestic violence, hmmm late term abortions. A lot of gang violence is directlye attributed to the illegal prostitution of women.
Vitter go hand yourself into a cop
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haha, what you have the same vice or something? Go talk to a cop, haha
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haha, what you have the same vice or something? Go talk to a cop, haha
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do you use a agency or scope for independents?
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Are you kidding?? All of the purchase of marijuana on the street is illegal. Everyone selling it is breaking the law. These drug dealers use violence to control their enterprise, including beatings, murder, maiming, etc. A lot of gang violence is directly attributable to the illegal drug industry, including marijuana. Go talk to a cop or two.
Sounds a bit like iraq actually.
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do you use a agency or scope for independents?
Do you only sleep with female white supremacists (like you) or do you occasionally have jungle fever?
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Sounds a bit like iraq actually.
It does. Lots of mayhem going on in that country.
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Do you only sleep with female white supremacists (like you) or do you occasionally have jungle fever?
I just ask myself WHAT WOULD VITTER DO?
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Marijuana kicks ass!
I propose a toast to keep on breaking federal and state laws!
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!!!
(http://web.valley.net/files/enfieldpolice/marijuana2.jpg)
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This is my favorite quote from the piece. Walters likes his hyperbole.
"John P. Walters, President Bush's drug czar, said the people who plant and tend the gardens are terrorists who wouldn't hesitate to help other terrorists get into the country with the aim of causing mass casualties."
This is just comical as all hell... These guys are serious too... BWHAHHAhahahahahhahhahah a....
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That's why I fucking hate Bush and his admin. How does growing weed make you a terrorist?
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That's why I fucking hate Bush and his admin. How does growing weed make you a terrorist?
Don't worry - eventually Bush will get around to labeling all of us terrorists
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I think this statement is correct: "Don't buy drugs. They fund violence and terror," he said. No question the industry is controlled by violence. I also wouldn't discount the link between terrorism and the drug industry. Terrorists, like many criminals, are always seeking ways to make and launder money.
Marijuana growers could care less about shaping politics or murdering civilians.
I don't understand your reasoning at all. How does growing a product that's in high demand make you a terrorist?
Many people die from reactions to tylenol and aspirin. I guess tylenol and bayer are terrorist organizations!
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Marijuana growers could care less about shaping politics or murdering civilians.
I don't understand your reasoning at all. How does growing a product that's in high demand make you a terrorist?
Many people die from reactions to tylenol and aspirin. I guess tylenol and bayer are terrorist organizations!
You're forgetting - Bum's capacity for "reason" is filtered through a brain that has been addled by years of listening to certified idiots like James Dobson.
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Marijuana growers could care less about shaping politics or murdering civilians.
I don't understand your reasoning at all. How does growing a product that's in high demand make you a terrorist?
Many people die from reactions to tylenol and aspirin. I guess tylenol and bayer are terrorist organizations!
Growing a product that is in high demand does not make you a terrorist. Buying illegal products that generate funds to support crime and some terrorist activity means you support crime and terrorist activity.
You're comparing legitimate companies that manufacture aspirin with drug cartels? O.K. ::)
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Growing a product that is in high demand does not make you a terrorist. Buying illegal products that generate funds to support crime and some terrorist activity means you support crime and terrorist activity.
You're comparing legitimate companies that manufacture aspirin with drug cartels? O.K. ::)
Considering Bayer was founded as a drug cartel itself, does not make sense. Contemporary pharmaceutical manufacturers and several spice companies produced products containing potent psychoactive compounds like opium, cocaine, heroin, lycetol, salophen.....seems wall street is built on poppy itself.
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Considering Bayer was founded as a drug cartel itself, does not make sense. Contemporary pharmaceutical manufacturers and several spice companies produced products containing potent psychoactive compounds like opium, cocaine, heroin, lycetol, salophen.....seems wall street is built on poppy itself.
From Wiki:
Bayer AG was founded in Barmen (today a part of Wuppertal), Germany in 1863 by Friedrich Bayer and his partner, Johann Friedrich Weskott.
Bayer's first major product was acetylsalicylic acid (originally discovered by French chemist Charles Frederic Gerhardt in 1853), a modification of salicylic acid or salicin, a folk remedy found in the bark of the willow. By 1899, Bayer's trademark Aspirin was registered worldwide for Bayer's brand of acetylsalicylic acid, but through the widespread use to describe all brands of the compound, and Bayer's inability to protect its trademark (mainly where its assets were confiscated during World War I), the word "aspirin" lost its trademark status in the United States and some other countries. It is now widely used in the US for all brands of the drug. However in some other countries, such as Canada,Mexico, Germany, and Switzerland it is still a registered trademark of Bayer.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bayer
Company is now Bayer AG. You cannot reasonably compare Bayer AG to gangs and cartels that sell cocaine, marijuana, heroin, etc., at least when it comes to crime. That makes no sense.
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No need for wiki I know about Bayer, and their past production of psychotropic drugs. In their time they were like a gang, peddling heroin and opium and at one point a form of salvia dinorium enchanting mother to give it to their kids for their luxury of relaxation. But I forgot their lobbyists were not funding terror and sicko type healthcare reform, since they have spent up towards 20 millions since 2004 and that is on the books.
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No need for wiki I know about Bayer, and their past production of psychotropic drugs. In their time they were like a gang, peddling heroin and opium and at one point a form of salvia dinorium enchanting mother to give it to their kids for their luxury of relaxation. But I forgot their lobbyists were not funding terror and sicko type healthcare reform, since they have spent up towards 20 millions since 2004 and that is on the books.
What do you mean "in their time"? They've been in business since the 1800s.
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Marijuana kicks ass!
I propose a toast to keep on breaking federal and state laws!
-clangs beer bottles-
You are right my friend. Marijuana does kick ass. ;D
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What do you mean "in their time"? They've been in business since the 1800s.
Bayer used to produce heorin, morphine and opium tonics back in the early 1900's, many of which were used for pain, illness, alcoholism, but they just ended up making things worse.
The history channel had a special about opium and I was shocked to see how many companies produced legal opium based meds, which were over the counter, in the early 1900's and late 1800's.
Marijuana was in something like 95% of medications back then, and it was actually the safest.
Bum, give me a reason for the banning for marijuana. Alcohol is worse and that's obvious, but is legal, while marijuana is not. Why? Alcohol can impair far worse, cause car accidents, death from over drinking, violence. Marijuana can not be overdosed on, nor does it make people violent. And contrary to reports by the DEA, marijuana does not cause cancer like tobacco, as it's not grown in radioactive soil. And I've never seen cases of accidents cause by marijuana comprable to alcohol related accidents.
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Bayer used to produce heorin, morphine and opium tonics back in the early 1900's, many of which were used for pain, illness, alcoholism, but they just ended up making things worse.
The history channel had a special about opium and I was shocked to see how many companies produced legal opium based meds, which were over the counter, in the early 1900's and late 1800's.
Marijuana was in something like 95% of medications back then, and it was actually the safest.
Bum, give me a reason for the banning for marijuana. Alcohol is worse and that's obvious, but is legal, while marijuana is not. Why? Alcohol can impair far worse, cause car accidents, death from over drinking, violence. Marijuana can not be overdosed on, nor does it make people violent. And contrary to reports by the DEA, marijuana does not cause cancer like tobacco, as it's not grown in radioactive soil. And I've never seen cases of accidents cause by marijuana comprable to alcohol related accidents.
Camel I cannot give you a logical reason to ban marijuana, but not alcohol (or cigarettes). In reality, when you look at the health implications, we ought to ban cigarettes instead of marijuana.
But that's really beside the point. The fact is marijuana is illegal (not talking about medical marijuana). Because it is illegal there has been a huge black market for decades in this country. People who grow the stuff for personal use are not really a problem, but you cannot deny there is a huge illegal drug industry that includes marijuana. Many dealers who sell marijuana also sell other drugs. Those guys are criminals. It's a violent industry.
I understand where you're coming from. You believe marijuana use should be legal. That's really a different discussion IMO.
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Company is now Bayer AG. You cannot reasonably compare Bayer AG to gangs and cartels that sell cocaine, marijuana, heroin, etc., at least when it comes to crime. That makes no sense.
How about from the perspective of "a company that knowingly sold HIV infected blot clotting agents to hemophilliacs around the world"? Knowing recipients would die? Would you consider such a company criminal?
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correct me if i'm wrong but wasn't bush both a cokehead and a drunk?
corrected
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I heard Bush was quoted as saying that marijuana was a light drug and cocaine was manlier and harder.. Something along those lines. :P
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Drug czar gives warning
Federal official calls marijuana growers dangerous terrorists
http://www.redding.com/news/2007/jul/13/drug-czar-gives-warning/
I wouldn't be surprised if this was some guy who has a secret membership to NAMBA.
POT is about the biggest thing now they need to make legal. 99% of it is grown in the US by US citizens.
You are not funding terror by buying pot anymore then you are funding terror by buying gas.
If anyone had any real balls they'd legalized and set a 3 strikes rule for meth with a 25 year minimum with no chance of parole for 3 time offenders.
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I don't believe drug addiction is a criminal problem to be solved with incarceration,
but rather a medical one to be solved with treatment. They need to break the addiction,
not spend tax-payer money locking up the addict.
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Company is now Bayer AG. You cannot reasonably compare Bayer AG to gangs and cartels that sell cocaine, marijuana, heroin, etc., at least when it comes to crime. That makes no sense.
Beach, ...oh Beachie, (http://www.jaguarenterprises.net/images/em/answer_the_question.gif)
How about from the perspective of "a company that knowingly sold HIV infected blot clotting agents to hemophilliacs around the world"? Knowing recipients would die? Would you consider such a company criminal?
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I don't believe drug addiction is a criminal problem to be solved with incarceration,
but rather a medical one to be solved with treatment. They need to break the addiction,
not spend tax-payer money locking up the addict.
of all the people ive arrested ive never seen one guy who was only addicted to drugs that went to jail for it.. drug addicts do just that -they go into rehab.. problem is a drug addiction will usually lead you to steal, rob, and kill.. those are the ones going to jail.. we simply dont have room or the time to send guys to jail for smoking crack.
if you think drug addicts are working 9-5 to pay for their habit, then you need to step outside. because those people are 1 in a 1000 in the ghetto
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I don't believe drug addiction is a criminal problem to be solved with incarceration,
but rather a medical one to be solved with treatment. They need to break the addiction,
not spend tax-payer money locking up the addict.
Very true, but what do you do when they are putting other people's lives in danger? I'ts for the courts to decide that option, and the judge heads caution, he/she does not want a dead child's blood on their hands from a DUI that went thru their courts.
Also I've seen this stuff first hand and can get into it, I've had to defend your position which was mine (more like a facade) because I saw these rehab centers were just a revoloving door for repeat offenders I'm not just talking about drugs I'm talking sicko crimes as well.
Also majority of the time, in some circumstances the offender is required to re pay the state, on top of restitution. I don't agree with that stance since it increases the spiraling down, how can you get back on your feet when your wages are getting garnished and you have no outlook on your future.
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of all the people ive arrested ive never seen one guy who was only addicted to drugs that went to jail for it.. drug addicts do just that -they go into rehab.. problem is a drug addiction will usually lead you to steal, rob, and kill.. those are the ones going to jail.. we simply dont have room or the time to send guys to jail for smoking crack.
if you think drug addicts are working 9-5 to pay for their habit, then you need to step outside. because those people are 1 in a 1000 in the ghetto
It depends from demographic to demographic, dumbass.
You're a fucking pig, so your pov is skewed. There are probably a lot of people doing drugs and working on wall street, but it's not really a proble, since they work and contribute.
With people in ghetto, it's a different story. The problem is cultural actually.
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Cocaine is a drug used by the upper middleclass.. It's not so much of a problem as meth or crack, which is used by the poor.
And what's disturbing is that they try and peg marijuana as a "gateway" drug.. hahaha, like alcohol is any better.
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It depends from demographic to demographic, dumbass.
how did you fiqure that out? you mean things are run different in harlem then they are on the upper west side? no fucking way
look what i wrote.. i said in the ghetto -dumbass
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Beach, ...oh Beachie, (http://www.jaguarenterprises.net/images/em/answer_the_question.gif)
How about from the perspective of "a company that knowingly sold HIV infected blot clotting agents to hemophilliacs around the world"? Knowing recipients would die? Would you consider such a company criminal?
I'm bracing myself for another getbig.com exclusive, but what company "knowingly sold HIV infected blot [sic] clotting agents to hemophilliacs around the world . . . Knowing recipients would die?"