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Getbig Misc Discussion Boards => Sports Discussion Boards => Topic started by: Al-Gebra on August 04, 2007, 07:49:21 PM
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no one ahead now.
he could have used the hata-blockaz that the other gh freak is hawking.
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when did he hit it?
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5 min ago at Petco in San Diego. Commissioner looked thrilled to death (not).
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ALLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL LLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL LLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL
Drugs. :-*
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All determination.
Determination makes hat and foot size grow.
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All determination.
Determination makes hat and foot size grow.
you were awfully determined about 9/11, how many sizes did your hat/feet grow 8)
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I've thought about this a lot lately, as I've watched every Giants game over the past week, and here's my take.
Barroid is a GREAT PLAYER...an all-time great player. Period. Take away the drugs and he's still a 600+ home run guy with all those walks. He would have probably 4 (maybe 5) MVP's, which would still be #1 all-time.
Hank Aaron admittedly used greenies (amphetamines). If that isn't a "performance enhancing" drug, what is???? Guys get beat down during a 162-game season (plus spring training). It's impossible to be hyped up every day. Aaron has admitted that he used a DRUG to ENHANCE his performance.
So, people want to look at JUST BONDS when it comes to drugs but just dismiss the use of GREENIES by Aaron, Rose, etc.? Why? Because it's much more talked about today due to TV and radio coverage? Aaron used a PERFORMANCE ENHANCING SUBSTANCE. Period.
So, if you want to crusify Barry for doing whatever he has done, does that mean that Aaron using AMPHETAMINES is just swept under the rug? It doesn't matter? You don't considering it "cheating" because it didn't allow him to play longer at another level, like growth hormone?
The bottom-line is that players in MLB have been using "Performance Enhancing" drugs for DECADES. Period. Barry simply adapted to his time, just like Aaron and those before him.
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The Bonds incident involved Ron Kittle and a meeting Kittle didn’t enjoy with Bonds at Chicago’s Wrigley Field in 1993. Kittle hoped to auction a signed Barry Bonds jersey at a golf event, with the proceeds being given to a children’s charity. Kittle has written a book, “Ron Kittle's Tales from the White Sox Dugout” and included Bonds reaction to being asked to autograph a jersey which would benefit needy children.
"I paid about $110 of my own money for them, so they could be auctioned off at the golf outing. I did that all the time for stars like Mark McGwire, Sammy Sosa, Derek Jeter and Roger Clemens. When I tell them how their autographs help the cause, every player gladly signs — with one exception.
I walked up to Bonds at his locker in the Wrigley Field visitors' clubhouse, introduced myself and said, "Barry, if you sign these, they'll bring in a lot of money for kids who need help."
Bonds stood up, looked me in the eye and said, "I don't sign for white people." If lightning hits me today, I will swear those were his exact words. Matt Williams and other Giants were in the room and they heard what Bonds said.
I stood there for a minute, and the veins in my neck were popping. I've only been that mad a few times in my life. I was going to beat the (heck) out of him, really kick his (butt), but Williams saw what was happening, so he came over and got between us. Matt said, "Ron, that's just the way he is."
I said, "White guys aren't the only ones who get cancer," but Bonds had turned his back on me and walked out of the clubhouse. Somebody must have run in and alerted Dusty Baker, who was the manager of the Giants then.”
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so are you going to tell us about how Mickey Mantle was an asshole next? get over it . . . they're great ballplayers, not Mother teresa.
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Babe was all drugs
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no, Mantle was a good guy, Bonds is ALL DRUGS, a cheating piece of shit. Hope that helps.
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And this has WHAT to do with Bonds breaking Aaron's record, as Aaron was an ADMITTED CHEATER, as he used AMPHETAMINES for YEARS?
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no, Mantle was a good guy, Bonds is ALL DRUGS, a cheating piece of shit. Hope that helps.
mantle was one of the greatest athletes ever, but he ended his career a drunken asshole w drug-addicted kids. If you weren't semi-literate, you might have read that somewhere.
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Did Hank go from a skinny 175 pounder to 240 on Roids and GH while doubling his HR to AB ratio ? ::)
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Mantle is universally recognized as a very good guy, ::) Its not like he refused to help cancer stricken kids because he was a racist like Bonds.
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are you american, sirtraps? how old are you?
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The Bonds incident involved Ron Kittle and a meeting Kittle didn’t enjoy with Bonds at Chicago’s Wrigley Field in 1993. Kittle hoped to auction a signed Barry Bonds jersey at a golf event, with the proceeds being given to a children’s charity. Kittle has written a book, “Ron Kittle's Tales from the White Sox Dugout” and included Bonds reaction to being asked to autograph a jersey which would benefit needy children.
"I paid about $110 of my own money for them, so they could be auctioned off at the golf outing. I did that all the time for stars like Mark McGwire, Sammy Sosa, Derek Jeter and Roger Clemens. When I tell them how their autographs help the cause, every player gladly signs — with one exception.
I walked up to Bonds at his locker in the Wrigley Field visitors' clubhouse, introduced myself and said, "Barry, if you sign these, they'll bring in a lot of money for kids who need help."
Bonds stood up, looked me in the eye and said, "I don't sign for white people." If lightning hits me today, I will swear those were his exact words. Matt Williams and other Giants were in the room and they heard what Bonds said.
I stood there for a minute, and the veins in my neck were popping. I've only been that mad a few times in my life. I was going to beat the (heck) out of him, really kick his (butt), but Williams saw what was happening, so he came over and got between us. Matt said, "Ron, that's just the way he is."
I said, "White guys aren't the only ones who get cancer," but Bonds had turned his back on me and walked out of the clubhouse. Somebody must have run in and alerted Dusty Baker, who was the manager of the Giants then.”
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you were awfully determined about 9/11, how many sizes did your hat/feet grow 8)
it sure made his brain shrink . . .
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WTF kind of point are you trying to make, sirtraps? Everyone knows Bonds is an asshole . . . it's why the media hates him. That doesn't change the fact that he's a great ballplayer.
and you've already demonstrated you don't know shit about baseball players w your mantle comments.
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interesting graphic for those who claim that Bonds suddenly became a HR-hitting machine.
http://sports.yahoo.com/top/news?slug=ys-graphicbondsaaron080407&prov=yhoo&type=lgns
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The bottom-line is that players in MLB have been using "Performance Enhancing" drugs for DECADES. Period. Barry simply adapted to his time, just like Aaron and those before him.
Uh, no.
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where's "SirTraps"? ::) I want to hear more about how Mantle was helping kids of all colors . . . while almost completely ignoring his own kids.
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interesting graphic for those who claim that Bonds suddenly became a HR-hitting machine.
http://sports.yahoo.com/top/news?slug=ys-graphicbondsaaron080407&prov=yhoo&type=lgns
thank you for that site. Those who don't follow baseball need to realize that Bond's has always been a home-run hitter. Also, I find it funny how people are quick to blame steroids yet ignore the fact that athletes typically get better with time. I know this sounds far-fetched but maybe, just maybe Bonds improved his timing and swing. But what do I know? He's only been playing for over 20 yrs. ::)
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thank you for that site. Those who don't follow baseball need to realize that Bond's has always been a home-run hitter. Also, I find it funny how people are quick to blame steroids yet ignore the fact that athletes typically get better with time. I know this sounds far-fetched but maybe, just maybe Bonds improved his timing and swing. But what do I know? He's only been playing for over 20 yrs. ::)
yeah, a lot of people around here childishly believe all men were created equal (ol' elephant ears Adonis is the most vocal about it).
If people look at events like the Tour de France, it's patently obvious that some men are just freaks among freaks.
ullrich, landis, vinokourov, rasmussen . . . all the men who've chased Armstrong for years have been busted for using drugs (which is more than you can say about bonds or armstrong, although I'm not saying they didn't use) . . . but none of them had a serious shot at catching him for seven years.
and yet we have getbiggers believe that people like bonds and armstrong are "all drugs."
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barry's competition is not Mantle or Ruth or Williams . . . they were from a different age. his peers are people like A-Rod, Pujols, McGuire (500 ft hitter), and Sosa . . . canseco . . . fielder . . . They have access to the same "technology" . . . and they sure as hell haven't hit 73 HR in a season yet.
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you were awfully determined about 9/11, how many sizes did your hat/feet grow 8)
Why so agitated "k-us"? U affraid of a negro performing?
U working tomorow? We need to talk.
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Why so agitated "k-us"? U affraid of a negro performing?
U working tomorow? We need to talk.
nah, Sundays off, do you think he would have done it without teh juice?
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no one ahead now.
he could have used the hata-blockaz that the other gh freak is hawking.
We don't follow baseball in NZ. What is so great about this? (seriously)
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nah, Sundays off, do you think he would have done it without teh juice?
I don't like it but I think so. then again., anything that can piss Dodgers and Padres fans is my joy..
I've been very bitter since my altercation last year (fucking mexicans)
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I don't like it but I think so. then again., anything that can piss Dodgers and Padres fans is my joy..
I've been very bitter since my altercation last year (fucking mexicans)
move away from SD, head North my friend 8)
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move away from SD, head North my friend 8)
I've been shopping (no jokes). Just came back from San Juan Capistrano. Lots of people bought houses beyond their means in that area. I feel bad but fuck it.
Also got a prospect in Orange, Ca. My dream. I love central OC and Irvine. Lots of work to do but we'll get there.
Peace out brother.
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I've been shopping (no jokes). Just came back from San Juan Capistrano. Lots of people bought houses beyond their means in that area. I feel bad but fuck it.
Also got a prospect in Orange, Ca. My dream. I love central OC and Irvine. Lots of work to do but we'll get there.
Peace out brother.
Orange/Irvine would put you close to the K ;)
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Orange/Irvine would put you close to the K ;)
That's the 140lb dumbell in the balance; just can't tell my vagina lieutenant; she needs conviction and that wouldn't help 8)
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That's the 140lb dumbell in the balance; just can't tell my vagina lieutenant; she needs conviction and that wouldn't help 8)
sometimes a good hairpulling and some doggystyle works wonders ;D
her job down there or can she relocate?
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sometimes a good hairpulling and some doggystyle works wonders ;D
her job down there or can she relocate?
That's nice part; she also works from home...
Dude I went to school in the bay area from 1999 to 2002 (Palo Alto) and hated it. I love it down here. Feel like I fit in better. If only I have known. UC Irvine would've saved me 40k and made me feel less of a hippy..
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http://mlb.mlb.com/index.jsp
In your face Selig!!
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And this has WHAT to do with Bonds breaking Aaron's record, as Aaron was an ADMITTED CHEATER, as he used AMPHETAMINES for YEARS?
great point!! take any two big hitters. give one a month cycle of any steroid/gh combo and give the other one dose of amphetamine. i bet anything the amphetamine user increases his skills more.
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no, Mantle was a good guy, Bonds is ALL DRUGS, a cheating piece of shit. Hope that helps.
Hope what helps, that you're naive enough to believe that 75% of the league isn't on gear? Again, Bonds is on gear, we all know that even though he NEVER admitted it and it was NEVER proven.......so is ARod, Clemens, Big Poppy, Manny Ramerez, that huge SOB from the Phillies Ryan Howard and while we're at it, lets throw in Julio Franco at the age of 48-49 is still a starter and still driving the ball out of the park just for shits and giggles. Traps, you need to wake the hell up and finally realize that Bonds has been playing on an even playing field for years and it really doesn't matter if his head or feet grew 3 inchs or 3 feet!!
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C'mon Coach, how many would Aaron have hit if he'd had the same "advantages?" Bonds is great, but the playing field isn't level.
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C'mon Coach, how many would Aaron have hit if he'd had the same "advantages?" Bonds is great, but the playing field isn't level.
1. Bonds IS playing on a level playing field.
2. It took Bonds longer to hit 755 than it did Aaron.
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1. Bonds IS playing on a level playing field.
2. It took Bonds longer to hit 755 than it did Aaron.
Excellent statistics....too bad u sucked at playing....
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great point!! take any two big hitters. give one a month cycle of any steroid/gh combo and give the other one dose of amphetamine. i bet anything the amphetamine user increases his skills more.
They're not mutually exclusive, he could've been on both. Plus i doubt amphetamines will increase bat speed, explosiveness & power the way roids/GH do, or drastically prolong a career & maintain endurance anywhere near the same degree.
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They're not mutually exclusive, he could've been on both. Plus i doubt amphetamines will increase bat speed, explosiveness & power or endurance the way roids/GH will.
amphetamines will increase bat speed, explosiveness and eye/hand coordination dramatically. not sure about endurance but i don't think that's as important.
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great point!! take any two big hitters. give one a month cycle of any steroid/gh combo and give the other one dose of amphetamine. i bet anything the amphetamine user increases his skills more.
No chance in hell. Running bases, distance running, etc..., that's where the amphetamine wins (and make no mistake, I believe at minimum, 80% of MLB is on amphetamines such as Ephedrine). But not hitting the ball far. Occasionally you have a great hitter like Bonds or Griffey Jr. But after the McGuire/Sosa summer...it's no longer the same league. It's just not believable anymore, and that's why this controversy came up. If this keeps up, we'll hopefuly get to that Nintendo game with robot baseball players who blew each other up. That game ruled.
But do you realize what this argument is a rehash of? What did Arnold weigh in at at the same BF% as Coleman when he won? Who was taller?
Progress has its critics.
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amphetamines will increase bat speed, explosiveness and eye/hand coordination dramatically. not sure about endurance but i don't think that's as important.
Not the same otherwise Ben Johnson and other recent sprinters like Gatlin would have routinely had amphetimes as the issue in tests. Roids, GH and test are the common denominators for the same types of attributes/benefits in both sports; reaction time (bat speed, first 5-7 yards in the 100m), explosiveness, ability to maintain a higher level for longer, endurance.
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Excellent statistics....too bad u sucked at playing....
Yes, otherwise I would have been a has been tennis player trying to be a bodybuilder ::)!!
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Baseball isn't much more now than monster truck exhibitions. The only people I know who still like baseball are married, fat, and need an excuse to drink 8 Old Style without the wife using a broomhandle on them.
And bald. Baseball fans who get into baseball like the hats because they have no hair.
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Baseball isn't much more now than monster truck exhibitions. The only people I know who still like baseball are married, fat, and need an excuse to drink 8 Old Style without the wife using a broomhandle on them.
And bald. Baseball fans who get into baseball like the hats because they have no hair.
You're just bitter because you always got picked last in little league and you were the one the pitcher always through the bean balls at even though you were still in the on deck circle!!
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Yes, otherwise I would have been a has been tennis player trying to be a bodybuilder ::)!!
well...at least I played with the big boys....u just watched them ...bought tickets....must have broken your heart
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well...at least I played with the big boys....u just watched them ...bought tickets....must have broken your heart
No, I actually played with them and like you, if I were good enough I'd be on a ball field with a major league team instead of being on a bodybuilding website arguing with a scroat like you!!
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You're just bitter because you always got picked last in little league and you were the one the pitcher always through the bean balls at even though you were still in the on deck circle!!
On deck circle? The closest thing to an on-deck circle I saw in Little League is the concession stand....where 45 year old housewives man the snack shack looking to catch a glimpse of the assistant coache's bulge. That's what little league is now. And then you have the stoner coach doing his 30 hours of community service doing lines in the announcer's booth. But the mothers are the worst. They get into their 10-year old daisy-dukes looking for an affair with anything athletic that has a dick. Little league is a greater threat than Al Quaida.
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On deck circle? The closest thing to an on-deck circle I saw in Little League is the concession stand....where 45 year old housewives man the snack shack looking to catch a glimpse of the assistant coache's bulge. That's what little league is now. And then you have the stoner coach doing his 30 hours of community service doing lines in the announcer's booth. But the mothers are the worst. They get into their 10-year old daisy-dukes looking for an affair with anything athletic that has a dick. Little league is a greater threat than Al Quaida.
LOL.......I seriously wouldn't be laughing if it wasn't true......Hahahahahahaha hahaha!!
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If I took gear/gh, I'd hit 755 homers too. ;D ;D ;D ;D
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The Bonds incident involved Ron Kittle and a meeting Kittle didn’t enjoy with Bonds at Chicago’s Wrigley Field in 1993. Kittle hoped to auction a signed Barry Bonds jersey at a golf event, with the proceeds being given to a children’s charity. Kittle has written a book, “Ron Kittle's Tales from the White Sox Dugout” and included Bonds reaction to being asked to autograph a jersey which would benefit needy children.
"I paid about $110 of my own money for them, so they could be auctioned off at the golf outing. I did that all the time for stars like Mark McGwire, Sammy Sosa, Derek Jeter and Roger Clemens. When I tell them how their autographs help the cause, every player gladly signs — with one exception.
I walked up to Bonds at his locker in the Wrigley Field visitors' clubhouse, introduced myself and said, "Barry, if you sign these, they'll bring in a lot of money for kids who need help."
Bonds stood up, looked me in the eye and said, "I don't sign for white people." If lightning hits me today, I will swear those were his exact words. Matt Williams and other Giants were in the room and they heard what Bonds said.
I stood there for a minute, and the veins in my neck were popping. I've only been that mad a few times in my life. I was going to beat the (heck) out of him, really kick his (butt), but Williams saw what was happening, so he came over and got between us. Matt said, "Ron, that's just the way he is."
I said, "White guys aren't the only ones who get cancer," but Bonds had turned his back on me and walked out of the clubhouse. Somebody must have run in and alerted Dusty Baker, who was the manager of the Giants then.”
*YAWN*
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no, Mantle was a good guy, Bonds is ALL DRUGS, a cheating piece of shit. Hope that helps.
MANTLE WAS AN ALCOHOLIC...ALL DRUGS...IN A CAN
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The Bonds incident involved Ron Kittle and a meeting Kittle didn’t enjoy with Bonds at Chicago’s Wrigley Field in 1993. Kittle hoped to auction a signed Barry Bonds jersey at a golf event, with the proceeds being given to a children’s charity. Kittle has written a book, “Ron Kittle's Tales from the White Sox Dugout” and included Bonds reaction to being asked to autograph a jersey which would benefit needy children.
"I paid about $110 of my own money for them, so they could be auctioned off at the golf outing. I did that all the time for stars like Mark McGwire, Sammy Sosa, Derek Jeter and Roger Clemens. When I tell them how their autographs help the cause, every player gladly signs — with one exception.
I walked up to Bonds at his locker in the Wrigley Field visitors' clubhouse, introduced myself and said, "Barry, if you sign these, they'll bring in a lot of money for kids who need help."
Bonds stood up, looked me in the eye and said, "I don't sign for white people." If lightning hits me today, I will swear those were his exact words. Matt Williams and other Giants were in the room and they heard what Bonds said.
I stood there for a minute, and the veins in my neck were popping. I've only been that mad a few times in my life. I was going to beat the (heck) out of him, really kick his (butt), but Williams saw what was happening, so he came over and got between us. Matt said, "Ron, that's just the way he is."
I said, "White guys aren't the only ones who get cancer," but Bonds had turned his back on me and walked out of the clubhouse. Somebody must have run in and alerted Dusty Baker, who was the manager of the Giants then.”
I LOVE BONDS....HAS LIGHTINING STRUCK YOU YET?
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great point!! take any two big hitters. give one a month cycle of any steroid/gh combo and give the other one dose of amphetamine. i bet anything the amphetamine user increases his skills more.
No drug increases your skills in baseball, football, basketball, boxing, tennis, etc. But juice will increase your size and strength and recuperation to take advantage of your existing skills.
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1. Bonds IS playing on a level playing field.
2. It took Bonds longer to hit 755 than it did Aaron.
1. You're talking about MLB today. I was referring to the fact that Bonds in an enhanced athlete, while Aaron wasn't. (I didn't know Aaron took speed, but I replied before this got merged and I'm not going to read it thu. Besides, I don't think speed would provide the benefits that AAS would.)
2. I didn't know that either. Fact is, I know fuck all about baseball. Props to Bonds for being a great hitter. There's no doubt that he is, with or without gear, but the man is enhanced. Not saying he has no natural ability, but you can't compare an AAS user to a natural in any athletic endeavour. It's apples and oranges. That's why their use is so prevalent at top levels of sport.
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Joe,
Do you believe that Barry Bonds used steriods? yes or no?
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Joe,
Do you believe that Barry Bonds used steriods? yes or no?
wtf are steriods?
nice to see you've found a new use for your highly effective rhetorical technique. ::)
Hope what helps, that you're naive enough to believe that 75% of the league isn't on gear? Again, Bonds is on gear, we all know that even though he NEVER admitted it and it was NEVER proven.......so is ARod, Clemens, Big Poppy, Manny Ramerez, that huge SOB from the Phillies Ryan Howard and while we're at it, lets throw in Julio Franco at the age of 48-49 is still a starter and still driving the ball out of the park just for shits and giggles. Traps, you need to wake the hell up and finally realize that Bonds has been playing on an even playing field for years and it really doesn't matter if his head or feet grew 3 inchs or 3 feet!!
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I remember when Barry was on 90210 back in 1994 for an episode, say what you want about the guy, but he has great taste in TV shows!
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no one ahead now.
he could have used the hata-blockaz that the other gh freak is hawking.
A-Rod will be ahead of him in 6-8 years..
I think 73 is safe though.
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