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Title: What year did BODYBUILDING die ???
Post by: jaejonna on August 20, 2007, 04:31:23 AM
1980



discuss
Title: Re: What year did BODYBUILDING die ???
Post by: davidpaul on August 20, 2007, 04:36:27 AM
When growth, insulin, igf1 etc got into it.
Title: Re: What year did BODYBUILDING die ???
Post by: DK II on August 20, 2007, 04:38:12 AM
at the latest when Yates got to be Mr. O.

 
Title: Re: What year did BODYBUILDING die ???
Post by: DK II on August 20, 2007, 04:39:08 AM
When growth, insulin, igf1 etc got into it.

beat me to it.
Title: Re: What year did BODYBUILDING die ???
Post by: jaejonna on August 20, 2007, 04:39:37 AM
When growth, insulin, igf1 etc got into it.
1989 ? is that the year ? :-[

(what a shameful topic)
Title: Re: What year did BODYBUILDING die ???
Post by: jaejonna on August 20, 2007, 04:41:07 AM
Whats worse ??

Corruptted Officiating (80 & 81)

or


Drug Use (HGH, Inuslin, ect)


are they related ? :o
Title: Re: What year did BODYBUILDING die ???
Post by: davidpaul on August 20, 2007, 04:41:48 AM
1989 ? is that the year ? :-[

(what a shameful topic)

Around then yeah, towards of the end of the 90s it really took off, big waists and guts etc. Bloated mass.
Title: Re: What year did BODYBUILDING die ???
Post by: Playboy on August 20, 2007, 04:48:35 AM
1980



discuss
BBDG didn't die. The want and need to live and train for healthy reasons did.
Title: Re: What year did BODYBUILDING die ???
Post by: DK II on August 20, 2007, 04:52:12 AM
BBDG didn't die. The want and need to live and train for healthy reasons did.

Milos, when watch DVD and train?

thanks.
Title: Re: What year did BODYBUILDING die ???
Post by: Bluto on August 20, 2007, 05:02:36 AM
bodybuilding is bigger than ever, i cant wait for the sport to go to the next level of freakish mass
Title: Re: What year did BODYBUILDING die ???
Post by: kiwiol on August 20, 2007, 05:06:10 AM
bodybuilding is bigger than ever, i cant wait for the sport to go to the next level of freakish mass

My feelings exactly
Title: Re: What year did BODYBUILDING die ???
Post by: phyxsius on August 20, 2007, 05:08:55 AM
bodybuilding died for you bitches
Title: Re: What year did BODYBUILDING die ???
Post by: Bluto on August 20, 2007, 05:11:50 AM
pro bodybuilders need to form an alliance with vets and scientists and start using the next inventions in steroids and up the dosage and stop playing it safe
they need to have more of that kill or be killed attitude that wrestlers have and stop being a bunch of pussies

Title: Re: What year did BODYBUILDING die ???
Post by: kiwiol on August 20, 2007, 05:17:58 AM
pro bodybuilders need to form an alliance with vets and scientists and start using the next inventions in steroids and up the dosage and stop playing it safe
they need to have more of that kill or be killed attitude that wrestlers have and stop being a bunch of pussies

Are you saying training wise, guys should man up and stop training like they are a member of Team Milos, Bluto?
Title: Re: What year did BODYBUILDING die ???
Post by: Pollux on August 20, 2007, 05:19:01 AM
The early 80's.

RIP

 :'(
Title: Re: What year did BODYBUILDING die ???
Post by: jaejonna on August 20, 2007, 05:23:11 AM
How about the day "Billy Guns" got Blue stars .... :-[
Title: Re: What year did BODYBUILDING die ???
Post by: DK II on August 20, 2007, 05:42:50 AM
How about the day "Billy Guns" got Blue stars .... :-[

lol
Title: Re: What year did BODYBUILDING die ???
Post by: kiwiol on August 20, 2007, 05:49:17 AM
How about the day "Billy Guns" got Blue stars .... :-[

That marked the death of the Blue stars ;)
Title: Re: What year did BODYBUILDING die ???
Post by: Pete Dimano on August 20, 2007, 05:57:19 AM
history will view 2006 as the death knell.
Title: Re: What year did BODYBUILDING die ???
Post by: DK II on August 20, 2007, 06:01:12 AM
That marked the death of the Blue stars ;)

true.
Title: Re: What year did BODYBUILDING die ???
Post by: Bronx on August 20, 2007, 06:06:06 AM
Bodybuilding died when AMI got involved. As much as a douche as demilia was, he knew how to run things...although, some might also argue that it TRULY died in the dorian era. We went from having celebs and such racing to get olympia tickets pre-vegas and when it started in vegas, to only having wanna-be tnak top juice pigs sitting in the audience along with the competitors friends and family and magazine staff.

Is that something that can be done...wishful....but doubtful.
Title: Re: What year did BODYBUILDING die ???
Post by: jaejonna on August 20, 2007, 06:13:18 AM
Sidenote: Isnt it funny that there is no 'debate' to whether or not bodybuilding has in fact 'died' ?

Bodybuilding is deader than Steve Irwin.
Title: Re: What year did BODYBUILDING die ???
Post by: Beener on August 20, 2007, 08:01:18 AM
For fuck sake i know Getbig as a whole gets a lil delusional sometimes, but Jayjonna or however its spelled, how in the name of god had bodybuilding died? Are there less tickets being sold? Less magazines being sold? Less competitors? More bb's dying? Less competitions? More skinny people walking around? What?

Bodybuilding isn't dying, you're just realizing you're a skinny bitch with no place in bbing.
Title: Re: What year did BODYBUILDING die ???
Post by: UK Gold on August 20, 2007, 08:07:36 AM
1993. Dorian took bodybuilding as far as it could go and looked as good as a human male is ever going to look - but from 94 it, [and he], became a disgusting, bloated, insulin addled joke. Ronnie made things even worse. Words can't describe the abomination that is Cutler.
Title: Re: What year did BODYBUILDING die ???
Post by: kyomu on August 20, 2007, 08:12:27 AM
at the latest when Yates got to be Mr. O.

 
Agreed.
Title: Re: What year did BODYBUILDING die ???
Post by: jaejonna on August 20, 2007, 08:13:49 AM
For fuck sake i know Getbig as a whole gets a lil delusional sometimes, but Jayjonna or however its spelled, how in the name of god had bodybuilding died? Are there less tickets being sold? Less magazines being sold? Less competitors? More bb's dying? Less competitions? More skinny people walking around? What?
Bodybuilding isn't dying, you're just realizing you're a skinny bitch with no place in bbing.

When it became more about being a drug user than being a hard trainer and good dieter was when bodybuilding died you numb nuts. Now get the fuck off my thread you tiny tit.

Title: Re: What year did BODYBUILDING die ???
Post by: Beener on August 20, 2007, 08:19:41 AM

When it became more about being a drug user than being a hard trainer and good dieter was when bodybuilding died you numb nuts. Now get the fuck off my thread you tiny tit.



So have you ever seen one of the bb training videos? They work out pretty hard.. who doesnt. Theres lazy people in every sport,and there were lazies back in the old days too. And yknow what, they used a load of drugs back then too, theres just new drugs now. And its still about eating right, you think the mr olympia eats at the King every night? You still haven't answered my question your photoshopped little bitch. 

As far as diet goes...when they diet down..you think thats all drugs?? Look at the 80s and 90s, and think about the extreme abuse of dihuretics(sp?), thats what really kills bb's, yet for some reason bodybuilding wasn't dead then?

So "Jae", you want a spoon?
Title: Re: What year did BODYBUILDING die ???
Post by: jaejonna on August 20, 2007, 08:21:29 AM
So have you ever seen one of the bb training videos? They work out pretty hard.. who doesnt. Theres lazy people in every sport,and there were lazies back in the old days too. And yknow what, they used a load of drugs back then too, theres just new drugs now. And its still about eating right, you think the mr olympia eats at the King every night? You still haven't answered my question your photoshopped little bitch. 

As far as diet goes...when they diet down..you think thats all drugs?? Look at the 80s and 90s, and think about the extreme abuse of dihuretics(sp?), thats what really kills bb's, yet for some reason bodybuilding wasn't dead then?

So "Jae", you want a spoon?
hahahahah ill pass on the 'spooning'
I must of struck a nerve, man this gets too easy.
Title: Re: What year did BODYBUILDING die ???
Post by: Beener on August 20, 2007, 08:29:06 AM
You didn't strike a nerve, but you start a thread making wacky claims that bodybuilding is dying, so i start a little debate, with REAL questions and comments and you act like a bitch. Guess you're just proving that bodybuilding ISNT dead and will never die.

And as for the spoon comment, i asked if you wanted A spoon, yknow, so you can eat my ass.
Title: Re: What year did BODYBUILDING die ???
Post by: The Jayhawker on August 20, 2007, 11:58:06 AM

1991 with Lee Haney's last win. After that strait down. In fact you could debate that it actually began to die with his first win 1984.

1980 is when it started to become truly corrupt. Here's a quote about it :

"All 15 competitors are unanimous in their belief that selecting Arnold was a bad decision on the part of the judges. Even the CBS Sports crew were shocked, expecting Mike Mentzer as the champion. Even Bill Peark (who did not vote), said he would never have picked Arnold."
Title: Re: What year did BODYBUILDING die ???
Post by: suckmymuscle on August 20, 2007, 01:48:18 PM
1993. Dorian took bodybuilding as far as it could go and looked as good as a human male is ever going to look - but from 94 it, [and he], became a disgusting, bloated, insulin addled joke. Ronnie made things even worse. Words can't describe the abomination that is Cutler.

  Outstanding post, except that Dorian redeemed himself and his bodybuilding glory in 1995. That was, arguably, the best blend of mass, symmetry and conditioning any bodybuilder has displayed. Some might be bigger and some might be more symmetrical, and some might be as conditioned, but none had all things like Dorian 1995.

SUCKMYMUSCLE
Title: Re: What year did BODYBUILDING die ???
Post by: Hulkster on August 20, 2007, 02:35:35 PM
at the latest when Yates got to be Mr. O.

 

agreed.

dorian took the sport in a downward direction.

the Mr. O's before and after him had great muscle shape, a great back, taper and detail.

he had a great back too, but the rest of him was blocky size and little else.

even in 95..
Title: Re: What year did BODYBUILDING die ???
Post by: WetWorker on August 20, 2007, 02:39:05 PM
I don't know what year it died or if its even dead but I am sure a trio competing by the names of Goodrum, billy gunz, and squadfather could bring it back from the dead!  That is if it even is dead
Title: Re: What year did BODYBUILDING die ???
Post by: BEAST 8692 on August 20, 2007, 02:41:47 PM
thanks to the hardcore fans like you guys on this bodybuilding site bodybuilding will never die.
Title: Re: What year did BODYBUILDING die ???
Post by: efirkey on August 20, 2007, 04:59:41 PM
Bodybuilding dies when Arnold and Sly stopped making quality action movies.
Title: Re: What year did BODYBUILDING die ???
Post by: OneBigMan on August 20, 2007, 05:45:14 PM
What year did Bodybuilding die?

When I easily decided to stop buying bodybuilding magazines after the year 2002, I thought the so-called sport was dead.
Title: Re: What year did BODYBUILDING die ???
Post by: willie mosconi on August 20, 2007, 05:49:38 PM
1993. Dorian took bodybuilding as far as it could go and looked as good as a human male is ever going to look - but from 94 it, [and he], became a disgusting, bloated, insulin addled joke. Ronnie made things even worse. Words can't describe the abomination that is Cutler.

I agree about the 94 part. That was a total disgrace

I think yates did look pretty good in 93, but I don't think his physique was the best of all-time at that show. I'd have to go with Flex at 93 ASC or Flex at the 96 NOC, perhaps Shawn Ray at the 94 O, or Cormier at the 99 O
Title: Re: What year did BODYBUILDING die ???
Post by: Hulkster on August 20, 2007, 06:37:53 PM
Quote
I agree about the 94 part. That was a total disgrace

agreed.

94 was bad because it set the precedence that the second place competitor can dominate the first place competitor and still lose.. :-\
Title: Re: What year did BODYBUILDING die ???
Post by: 3Dkiller on August 20, 2007, 07:30:40 PM
bodybuilding died when you came to this world
Title: Re: What year did BODYBUILDING die ???
Post by: SGT BARNES on August 20, 2007, 07:32:42 PM
1994.

yates with torn muscles beating a perfect ray and others.

Wienberg controlling the judging.
Title: Re: What year did BODYBUILDING die ???
Post by: Old-Skool on August 20, 2007, 08:11:26 PM
From a "mainstream" standpoint...it was never alive.....no growth to the sport and an actual decline in popularity and perception with other sports related drug scandals. Compare our sport to the rising popularity of MMA for example. Zero respect now as all attributed to chemical consumption, and only the hardore fringe remains. It truly is a "cult".  LONG LIVE THE CULT!!!!!!

PS. Just look at the SAME damn ugly people attending the Olympia every year!!LOL. Me included!
Title: Re: What year did BODYBUILDING die ???
Post by: The Coach on August 20, 2007, 08:32:11 PM
When growth, insulin, igf1 etc got into it.

Not so much the GH, it's been around forever, when insulin was introduced, thats when the quality of physiques went down.
Title: Re: What year did BODYBUILDING die ???
Post by: Thin Lizzy on August 20, 2007, 08:42:44 PM
Are there less tickets being sold? Less magazines being sold? Less competitors? More bb's dying? Less competitions? More skinny people walking around? What?

Bodybuilding isn't dying, you're just realizing you're a skinny bitch with no place in bbing.

In the 80's the Mr. O was on network television. It was then relegated to cable. Now, there isn't a single bodybuilding competition broadcast on television. There also used to be bodybuilding training show on ESPN, as well as one on MSG which was hosted by Tom Terwilliger. Those have disappeared.

Back in the day, I went to a Night of Champions show in the Beacon Theatre, which seats about 4K. The evening show was sold out. Now, that same event is held in a 1000 seat venue.

Bodybuilding isn't dead, but there's no denying that it has declined in popularity in recent times.
Title: Re: What year did BODYBUILDING die ???
Post by: The Coach on August 20, 2007, 08:53:02 PM
In the 80's the Mr. O was on network television. It was then relegated to cable. Now, there isn't a single bodybuilding competition broadcast on television. There also used to be bodybuilding training show on ESPN, as well as one on MSG which was hosted by Tom Terwilliger. Those have disappeared.

Back in the day, I went to a Night of Champions show in the Beacon Theatre, which seats about 4K. The evening show was sold out. Now, that same event is held in a 1000 seat venue.

Bodybuilding isn't dead, but there's no denying that it has declined in popularity in recent times.


Haha, funny you mention that. Over the weekend, we were flipping through channels and on ESPN they had the Scrabble championships on...LOL!
Title: Re: What year did BODYBUILDING die ???
Post by: Old-Skool on August 20, 2007, 08:58:02 PM
Olympia coverage cancelled for the National "Spelling Bee"....
Title: Re: What year did BODYBUILDING die ???
Post by: efirkey on August 21, 2007, 05:06:35 PM
There was a weight training show with Cory Everson on ESPN way back when.  When that show changed to all aerobics, bodybuilding died.
Title: Re: What year did BODYBUILDING die ???
Post by: djohnsen on August 22, 2007, 01:23:32 PM
Bodybuilding isn't dead, it alive and kicking :o

No doubt that bodybuilding has become too extreme.
I'm chocked when I read about what BB today have
to take to be competitive. After I found out this,
BB for me isn't that fascinating as it used to be.
They aren't getting bigger they are getting uglier.

As far as MR. Olympia it was after 2002. That year
it was great. After that it's boring, no fun.
Title: Re: What year did BODYBUILDING die ???
Post by: Dave Czech on August 22, 2007, 01:28:12 PM
1991-then already only clowns,synthol  ,shit  :( :(
Title: Re: What year did BODYBUILDING die ???
Post by: JasonH on August 22, 2007, 01:42:10 PM

Bodybuilding died when synthol was introduced/invented.

On a competitive level, it died from about '98 onwards when Ronnie with his ridiculous abs and tiny calves were winning every year.
Title: Re: What year did BODYBUILDING die ???
Post by: NarcissisticDeity on August 22, 2007, 01:50:13 PM
agreed.

94 was bad because it set the precedence that the second place competitor can dominate the first place competitor and still lose.. :-\

lmfao dominate

Quote Flex Dec 1995

 " In 1994 , he ( Dorian ) was admittedly not at his best , but he was still the best bodybuilder onstage that day. No one not even runner-up Shawn Ray,disagreed with that stance on the night of Yates' threepeat. "



quote Shawn Ray Flex Jan 1995 " Tonight I feel I got what I deserved "

go away with your nonsense , dominate Ha !!
Title: Re: What year did BODYBUILDING die ???
Post by: Hulkster on August 22, 2007, 02:36:55 PM
lmfao dominate

Quote Flex Dec 1995

 " In 1994 , he ( Dorian ) was admittedly not at his best , but he was still the best bodybuilder onstage that day. No one not even runner-up Shawn Ray,disagreed with that stance on the night of Yates' threepeat. "



quote Shawn Ray Flex Jan 1995 " Tonight I feel I got what I deserved "

go away with your nonsense , dominate Ha !!

I love how you pick my post to comment on, but are too much of a fucking coward to do the same with anyone else who posts the same thing..

 ::)

what a pussy. :-\
Title: Re: What year did BODYBUILDING die ???
Post by: biceps on August 22, 2007, 03:06:27 PM
I don't know when, I know was reborn on the day when Wayne D was faired.
Title: Re: What year did BODYBUILDING die ???
Post by: NarcissisticDeity on August 22, 2007, 03:20:54 PM
I love how you pick my post to comment on, but are too much of a fucking coward to do the same with anyone else who posts the same thing..

 ::)

what a pussy. :-\

Oh yeas I'm so scared  ::) I just love correcting you  ;)
Title: Re: What year did BODYBUILDING die ???
Post by: Camel Jockey on August 22, 2007, 03:50:35 PM
lmfao dominate

Quote Flex Dec 1995

 " In 1994 , he ( Dorian ) was admittedly not at his best , but he was still the best bodybuilder onstage that day. No one not even runner-up Shawn Ray,disagreed with that stance on the night of Yates' threepeat. "



quote Shawn Ray Flex Jan 1995 " Tonight I feel I got what I deserved "

go away with your nonsense , dominate Ha !!

It's called modesty..

Sean was being humble.
Title: Re: What year did BODYBUILDING die ???
Post by: davidpaul on August 24, 2007, 02:39:51 AM
1995
Title: Re: What year did BODYBUILDING die ???
Post by: The_Iron_Disciple on August 24, 2007, 02:58:31 AM
In the 80's the Mr. O was on network television. It was then relegated to cable. Now, there isn't a single bodybuilding competition broadcast on television. There also used to be bodybuilding training show on ESPN, as well as one on MSG which was hosted by Tom Terwilliger. Those have disappeared.

Back in the day, I went to a Night of Champions show in the Beacon Theatre, which seats about 4K. The evening show was sold out. Now, that same event is held in a 1000 seat venue.

Bodybuilding isn't dead, but there's no denying that it has declined in popularity in recent times.


Great post ! My words exactly ! 
Title: Re: What year did BODYBUILDING die ???
Post by: Hulkster on August 24, 2007, 03:45:47 AM
It's called modesty..

Sean was being humble.

he was also thinking about his career.

you don't bite the hand that feeds you.

LOL ND OWNED yet again by the getbiggers...

he really has no clue.. :-\
Title: Re: What year did BODYBUILDING die ???
Post by: KillerMonk on August 24, 2007, 04:21:20 AM
When Tom Prince nearly died for you bitches.
Even though he was on everything and nailed his coffin with excessiveness.
Title: Re: What year did BODYBUILDING die ???
Post by: davidpaul on August 24, 2007, 08:09:24 AM
When Tom Prince nearly died for you bitches.
Even though he was on everything and nailed his coffin with excessiveness.
He has some insane hams
Title: Re: What year did BODYBUILDING die ???
Post by: hifrommike on August 24, 2007, 11:36:12 AM
My 2c worth: Men's pro bodybuilding started to die when Lee Haney won the Mr. O in 1984.  He won with a massive back & started a "reign" of mediocrity at the top level of the IFBB which Dorian & Ronnie continued.  Shape took a backseat to thickness & mass.  The O stopped being interesting when it became a carbon cutout of the previous year over & over. 

Meanwhile, men's amateur bodybuilding has thrived since then.  & there are pros like Ronnie Rockel who still hark back to the good ole days. 
Title: Re: What year did BODYBUILDING die ???
Post by: NarcissisticDeity on August 24, 2007, 11:46:52 AM
It's called modesty..

Sean was being humble.

LMFAO at Shawn being humble thats a contradiction , Shawn was never known for holding his tongue and ask any reporter back then if you ask Shawn for his reaction be prepared to stay a while , so spare me the bullshit modesty excuse , he was soundly defeated in 1994 and was lucky to place second !
Title: Re: What year did BODYBUILDING die ???
Post by: The Coach on August 24, 2007, 11:47:14 AM

Meanwhile, men's amateur bodybuilding has thrived since then. 
 

"Thrived since then"? Where? how?

After Yates won his first Olympia, BBing took a complete nosedive, quality of physiques started going down, media coverage became almost non-existant, G4P became an acceptable open business with no repercussion on the violated written rules, mainstream now thinks that BBing is a circus side show for steriod abusers....geez dude, I could keep going if I wanted but I might get carpeltunnel from all the typing I would have to do~!
Title: Re: What year did BODYBUILDING die ???
Post by: NarcissisticDeity on August 24, 2007, 11:51:07 AM
"Thrived since then"? Where? how?

After Yates won his first Olympia, BBing took a complete nosedive, quality of physiques started going down, media coverage became almost non-existant, G4P became an acceptable open business with no repercussion on the violated written rules, mainstream now thinks that BBing is a circus side show for steriod abusers....geez dude, I could keep going if I wanted but I might get carpeltunnel from all the typing I would have to do~!

The quality of physiques were at their highest at Yates reign , the 90s is the pinnacle of conditioned mass , truth be told once Coleman took over soon after all the good physiques of the 90s retired and Ronnie dominated past their prime guys Yates dominated , and who was Ronnie's competition? Dexter Jackson and Cutler lol give me a break .
Title: Re: What year did BODYBUILDING die ???
Post by: Bear on August 24, 2007, 11:56:40 AM
1993. Dorian took bodybuilding as far as it could go and looked as good as a human male is ever going to look - but from 94 it, [and he], became a disgusting, bloated, insulin addled joke. Ronnie made things even worse. Words can't describe the abomination that is Cutler.

So in 93 BB was great, and in 94 it was 'disgusting, bloated'.. that's one comprehensive and mature overview. Are you sure it literally flipped 100% in one year?
Title: Re: What year did BODYBUILDING die ???
Post by: NarcissisticDeity on August 24, 2007, 11:59:10 AM
So in 93 BB was great, and in 94 it was 'disgusting, bloated'.. that's one comprehensive and mature overview. Are you sure it literally flipped 100% in one year?

Yates 1994
Title: Re: What year did BODYBUILDING die ???
Post by: The Coach on August 24, 2007, 11:59:23 AM
The quality of physiques were at their highest at Yates reign , the 90s is the pinnacle of conditioned mass , truth be told once Coleman took over soon after all the good physiques of the 90s retired and Ronnie dominated past their prime guys Yates dominated , and who was Ronnie's competition? Dexter Jackson and Cutler lol give me a break .

I agree on some this, but Yates set the standard for the "size" game, destended stomachs and lack of symmetry, since Yates, competitors had to start stepping it up a notch as far as size goes and almost completly disreguarding symmetry, how many times did Shawn get screwed against Yates?
Title: Re: What year did BODYBUILDING die ???
Post by: MAXX on August 24, 2007, 12:02:21 PM
it has never "lived"?

has allways been a subculture and general public has never understood it or never will...

get over it  ;D
Title: Re: What year did BODYBUILDING die ???
Post by: NarcissisticDeity on August 24, 2007, 12:04:22 PM
I agree on some this, but Yates set the standard for the "size" game, destended stomachs and lack of symmetry, since Yates, competitors had to start stepping it up a notch as far as size goes and almost completly disreguarding symmetry, how many times did Shawn get screwed against Yates?

Yates could carry lots of size and still look great for it , all the guys who tried to play catch-up went past their abilities to carry mass and Shawn NEVER got screwed he was never going to be Mr Olympia , he cried he got screwed with Haney , Yates and Ronnie , he's 5'7" and 205 pounds the 70s were over his window of opportunity to become Mr Olympia died when Samir lost to Haney
Title: Re: What year did BODYBUILDING die ???
Post by: genrommel74 on August 24, 2007, 12:24:21 PM
it has never "lived"?

has allways been a subculture and general public has never understood it or never will...

get over it  ;D
I agree, bbing has never been mainstream, always been a cult. That is what makes it great it isnt like anything else
Title: Re: What year did BODYBUILDING die ???
Post by: The Coach on August 24, 2007, 12:25:36 PM
Yates could carry lots of size and still look great for it , all the guys who tried to play catch-up went past their abilities to carry mass and Shawn NEVER got screwed he was never going to be Mr Olympia , he cried he got screwed with Haney , Yates and Ronnie , he's 5'7" and 205 pounds the 70s were over his window of opportunity to become Mr Olympia died when Samir lost to Haney

Sorry dude, but BBing is about size, symmetry and conditioning and having little to no flaws, Yates was huge and got hard as hell but toward the last years of his career, he got caught up on being bigger and bigger and lost his sharpness and almost any straiation he might have had before, Shawn had all of that and there are pics floating of him completly owning Yates........dude, get off the size thing, thats not all of what BBing should be about!
Title: Re: What year did BODYBUILDING die ???
Post by: hipolito mejia on August 24, 2007, 12:27:12 PM
at the latest when Yates got to be Mr. O.

 


Concur.

R.I.P
Title: Re: What year did BODYBUILDING die ???
Post by: The Coach on August 24, 2007, 12:29:27 PM
I agree, bbing has never been mainstream, always been a cult. That is what makes it great it isnt like anything else

There were times way back when, people wanted to look like Reeves or Arnold or almost anyone from the sixties or seventies. There were BBers in movies all the time.....it was mainstream, it showed BBing with some dignity, now.......... :-\
Title: Re: What year did BODYBUILDING die ???
Post by: genrommel74 on August 24, 2007, 12:32:29 PM
Then we need bbers in movies again. AND not kevin with his fag sweater in the middle of summer
Title: Re: What year did BODYBUILDING die ???
Post by: Rami on August 24, 2007, 12:49:49 PM
The minute Arnold called it quits. Interest dwindled down to what it is...
Title: Re: What year did BODYBUILDING die ???
Post by: NarcissisticDeity on August 24, 2007, 02:21:42 PM
Sorry dude, but BBing is about size, symmetry and conditioning and having little to no flaws, Yates was huge and got hard as hell but toward the last years of his career, he got caught up on being bigger and bigger and lost his sharpness and almost any straiation he might have had before, Shawn had all of that and there are pics floating of him completly owning Yates........dude, get off the size thing, thats not all of what BBing should be about!

The irony of you telling me to get off the size thing , I ( especially me ) know its not all about size but you're wrong Yates typically stayed between 257-265 pounds his Olympia career whole career , so he roughly stayed around the same weight give or take 10 pounds  , with the exception of 1992 he was 242 pounds and very depleted and conditioning was never an issue for Dorian not even at his biggest which was 1997 he was still bone dry and rock hard his problems weren't to much size and conditioning it was torn muscles and he had the same striations in 91 and in 97

I know its not about size and it shouldn't be about size but I'm only commenting on what is not what should be , and you look at history the last Mr Olympia around 200 pounds was Samir Bannout in 1983 , the trend was going up starting with Haney , then Yates and Ronnie . Shawn was 5'7" and weighed 205 pounds he was competing in the time of the giants in 1994 which some harp on as Shawn's Olympia it wasn't even close , Dorian was 262 pounds Vs Shawn's 205 pounds thats almost a 60 pound muscle advantage he wasn't compensating for that

The same with Lee Labrada Vs Haney it wasn't a small mans game anymore , Shawn would have flourished in the 1970s very early 1980s he was born for the wrong era , 1994 Mr Olympia wasn't a contest on paper or off Shawn Ray was very lucky to place second place , he only beat Levrone by virtue of a better posing routine not by virtue of his physique because after the pre-judging Shawn was trailing Kevin for second place ( a distant second I might add ) 1994 was a close contest after all , close between second and third , Dorian was clearly ahead of the two , and this is a quote from Shawn post-contest

Flex magazine January 1995 Shawn Ray

Dorian was a bigger version of what he's been. I'm not a fan in the sense that his physique is something I aspire to attain. Dorian is in his own class and in his own little world. For that reason, there's nobody they can compare like-to-like with Dorian. They can only bring forward a different package.

( 1994 Mr Olympia ) Tonight I feel that I got what I deserved. With a beaming smile , Shawn concluded: " This is the first time in three years I haven't ' retired ' the night of the show and got drunk. "


Title: Re: What year did BODYBUILDING die ???
Post by: lonewolf on August 24, 2007, 02:46:32 PM
Bodybuilding really took a downturn in the early 90s. This was the era when judges allowed pure size to overshadow aesthetics , proportion , and balance, combined with muscular development to rule. it's also why womens bodybuilding died even faster.
Title: Re: What year did BODYBUILDING die ???
Post by: Hulkster on August 24, 2007, 02:51:44 PM
Sorry dude, but BBing is about size, symmetry and conditioning and having little to no flaws, Yates was huge and got hard as hell but toward the last years of his career, he got caught up on being bigger and bigger and lost his sharpness and almost any straiation he might have had before, Shawn had all of that and there are pics floating of him completly owning Yates........dude, get off the size thing, thats not all of what BBing should be about!

you are wasting your breath.

ND has no fucking clue.
Title: Re: What year did BODYBUILDING die ???
Post by: Heywood on August 24, 2007, 02:54:51 PM
1961
Title: Re: What year did BODYBUILDING die ???
Post by: Matt C on August 24, 2007, 02:55:44 PM
The irony of you telling me to get off the size thing , I ( especially me ) know its not all about size but you're wrong Yates typically stayed between 257-265 pounds his Olympia career whole career , so he roughly stayed around the same weight give or take 10 pounds  , with the exception of 1992 he was 242 pounds and very depleted and conditioning was never an issue for Dorian not even at his biggest which was 1997 he was still bone dry and rock hard his problems weren't to much size and conditioning it was torn muscles and he had the same striations in 91 and in 97

I know its not about size and it shouldn't be about size but I'm only commenting on what is not what should be , and you look at history the last Mr Olympia around 200 pounds was Samir Bannout in 1983 , the trend was going up starting with Haney , then Yates and Ronnie . Shawn was 5'7" and weighed 205 pounds he was competing in the time of the giants in 1994 which some harp on as Shawn's Olympia it wasn't even close , Dorian was 262 pounds Vs Shawn's 205 pounds thats almost a 60 pound muscle advantage he wasn't compensating for that

The same with Lee Labrada Vs Haney it wasn't a small mans game anymore , Shawn would have flourished in the 1970s very early 1980s he was born for the wrong era , 1994 Mr Olympia wasn't a contest on paper or off Shawn Ray was very lucky to place second place , he only beat Levrone by virtue of a better posing routine not by virtue of his physique because after the pre-judging Shawn was trailing Kevin for second place ( a distant second I might add ) 1994 was a close contest after all , close between second and third , Dorian was clearly ahead of the two , and this is a quote from Shawn post-contest

Flex magazine January 1995 Shawn Ray

Dorian was a bigger version of what he's been. I'm not a fan in the sense that his physique is something I aspire to attain. Dorian is in his own class and in his own little world. For that reason, there's nobody they can compare like-to-like with Dorian. They can only bring forward a different package.

( 1994 Mr Olympia ) Tonight I feel that I got what I deserved. With a beaming smile , Shawn concluded: " This is the first time in three years I haven't ' retired ' the night of the show and got drunk. "




Ronnie is better than Dorian.
Title: Re: What year did BODYBUILDING die ???
Post by: NarcissisticDeity on August 24, 2007, 03:12:59 PM
NarcissisticDeity is better than Hulkster.

I fixed that for you  :D
Title: Re: What year did BODYBUILDING die ???
Post by: Matt4Muscle on August 24, 2007, 03:19:57 PM
The year Alexx lost Mr. GetBig
Title: Re: What year did BODYBUILDING die ???
Post by: Parker on August 24, 2007, 03:23:49 PM
There are many instances of the down-ward spiral. One is the Dorian winning in 1994. Another is when Flex didn't win in 1998, if had been on his P's and Q's and won, we wouldn't be seeing so many bloated guts and low quality physiques.

Another is if you look at the NPC's very few good bodybuilders are "earning" their cards. They have "give" to mediocre bodybuilders like Kamali, Maddron, Cook, even Garrett Downing, those who don't deserve their pro cards at all. They can get their pro cards, but Lionel Brown can't? :-\ Melvin Anthony was one of the last good ones to come out of the late 90's. They need more like him, Richard Jones, Phil Heath, these are physiques that need to get their pro cards.


And then you have people who hype up the mediocre bodybuilders like Dave Pulcinella, instead of given the truly gifted, but little known bodybuilders like Auguste, or others, the esposure. Give Wolfe hype when he needs it, or Ronnie Rockel. The trend for fugly guts can be reversed...
Title: Re: What year did BODYBUILDING die ???
Post by: suckmymuscle on August 24, 2007, 03:25:35 PM
  Dorian was at his best at the 1995 Mr.Olympia, torn biceps and all! He had the same sick hardness that he had in 1993, but with alot more fullness. Compare their posing routines 1993 vs 1995, and you'll see that Dorian's muscles are a lot fuller and rounder in 1995. 1993 he was super-dry, but his muscles looked a little flat in my opinion. 1992 he was way depleted, and 1994 he was obviously holding a little bit of water. 1997 he was as dry as ever, but his gut was distended and he had no left arm.

SUCKMYMUSCLE
Title: Re: What year did BODYBUILDING die ???
Post by: OneBigMan on August 24, 2007, 07:49:07 PM
If bodybuilding is dead as a result of all you disgruntled fans, then why do so many people still attend the Mr.Olympia every year.
Title: Re: What year did BODYBUILDING die ???
Post by: Shawn Ray on August 25, 2007, 10:22:28 AM
Bodybuilding died in 1994


Noooobody knows................the troubles I've seen :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'(
Title: Re: What year did BODYBUILDING die ???
Post by: crc69 on August 25, 2007, 10:35:50 AM
1993. Dorian took bodybuilding as far as it could go and looked as good as a human male is ever going to look - but from 94 it, [and he], became a disgusting, bloated, insulin addled joke.

Right. 
Yates first place in MR O. 94 was a big joke (Ray was 10 times better) and Mr. O lost all its credibility
Title: Re: What year did BODYBUILDING die ???
Post by: corinth on August 25, 2007, 10:39:56 AM
1994 was a low point for bodybuilding.  Dorian was missing a biceps, his conditioning was off and the judges still gave him the win.

2006 was another low point. Cutler simply doesn't have a Mr. Olympia caliber physique. His win was a huge step backwards.
Title: Re: What year did BODYBUILDING die ???
Post by: OneBigMan on August 25, 2007, 11:06:19 AM
1994 was a low point for bodybuilding.  Dorian was missing a biceps, his conditioning was off and the judges still gave him the win.

That set an unfortunate precedent.

2006 was another low point. Cutler simply doesn't have a Mr. Olympia caliber physique. His win was a huge step backwards.

That's kinda deep because I thought people had enough of believing that Ronnie Coleman winning the Olympia every year was predetermined by both Weider brothers or his name recognition as a retired police officer.

I thought that not having a Mr.Olympia type of physique would apply to Shawn or Flex, not Jay Cutler.
Title: Re: What year did BODYBUILDING die ???
Post by: genrommel74 on August 25, 2007, 03:56:17 PM
The sport is still here, so i say that it has not died. It just isnt growing, which is unfortunate. but i think that it is society in general, guys dont want to get big anymore they just want to be cut, they is why bodybuilding isnt growing. it makes no difference if phil or ronnie wins, the general public find them both gross and too big. The public wants brad pitt and ryan reynolds, which is not bodybuilding.
Title: Re: What year did BODYBUILDING die ???
Post by: Master Blaster on August 25, 2007, 04:05:53 PM
Bodybuilding died in 1994


Noooobody knows................the troubles I've seen :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'(

From Bodybuilding.com (http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/topicoftheweek40.htm)  ;D

"For many Shawn's victory was in the bag but it was Dorian that took the Sandow. Even after Shawn Ray's serious disappointment and subsequent months of depression in the immediate aftermath of the loss, they became close friends after Dorian's retirement after the '97 Olympia, and have remained so since; further testament to the kind of man Dorian Yates is."

Title: Re: What year did BODYBUILDING die ???
Post by: NarcissisticDeity on August 25, 2007, 04:07:04 PM
Bodybuilding died in 1994


Noooobody knows................the troubles I've seen :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'(

Flex magazine January 1995 Shawn Ray

Dorian was a bigger version of what he's been. I'm not a fan in the sense that his physique is something I aspire to attain. Dorian is in his own class and in his own little world. For that reason, there's nobody they can compare like-to-like with Dorian. They can only bring forward a different package.

( 1994 Mr Olympia ) Tonight I feel that I got what I deserved. With a beaming smile , Shawn concluded: " This is the first time in three years I haven't ' retired ' the night of the show and got drunk. "



Sure it did  ::)
Title: Re: What year did BODYBUILDING die ???
Post by: benchthis on August 25, 2007, 04:15:37 PM
1980



discuss
bodybuilding was never really alive
Title: Re: What year did BODYBUILDING die ???
Post by: SirTraps on August 25, 2007, 04:35:14 PM
REALITY CHECK : Shawn/Sgtd is now 5-6 Fat and Bald

            Hope this helps.
Title: Re: What year did BODYBUILDING die ???
Post by: sgt. d on August 25, 2007, 06:12:38 PM
REALITY CHECK : Shawn/Sgtd is now 5-6 Fat and Bald

            Hope this helps.

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Title: Re: What year did BODYBUILDING die ???
Post by: sgt. d on August 25, 2007, 06:19:56 PM
Flex magazine January 1995 Shawn Ray

Dorian was a bigger version of what he's been. I'm not a fan in the sense that his physique is something I aspire to attain. Dorian is in his own class and in his own little world. For that reason, there's nobody they can compare like-to-like with Dorian. They can only bring forward a different package.

( 1994 Mr Olympia ) Tonight I feel that I got what I deserved. With a beaming smile , Shawn concluded: " This is the first time in three years I haven't ' retired ' the night of the show and got drunk. "




Sure it did  ::)

Dorian looks like shit. You really think Shawn was telling the truth. You believe everything you read in flex dontya? ::) Shawn should have been first. Only Dorian thought he should have won. ND why can't you understand that Dorian looks like trash.? Why? ???
Title: Re: What year did BODYBUILDING die ???
Post by: WOOO on August 25, 2007, 06:20:45 PM
1980



discuss


500 BC, when the Greek invented G4P
Title: Re: What year did BODYBUILDING die ???
Post by: Deadpool on August 25, 2007, 06:22:18 PM
um, I didn't know I was posting on a board about a dead subject.  thanks for the update.
Title: Re: What year did BODYBUILDING die ???
Post by: sgt. d on August 25, 2007, 06:23:49 PM
um, I didn't know I was posting on a board about a dead subject.  thanks for the update.

Medford lets see your delicious breast.
Title: Re: What year did BODYBUILDING die ???
Post by: The Coach on August 25, 2007, 06:25:11 PM
Flex magazine January 1995 Shawn Ray

Dorian was a bigger version of what he's been. I'm not a fan in the sense that his physique is something I aspire to attain. Dorian is in his own class and in his own little world. For that reason, there's nobody they can compare like-to-like with Dorian. They can only bring forward a different package.

( 1994 Mr Olympia ) Tonight I feel that I got what I deserved. With a beaming smile , Shawn concluded: " This is the first time in three years I haven't ' retired ' the night of the show and got drunk. "



Sure it did  ::)

See,Shawn agrees with me
Title: Re: What year did BODYBUILDING die ???
Post by: NarcissisticDeity on August 25, 2007, 06:50:03 PM
Dorian looks like shit. You really think Shawn was telling the truth. You believe everything you read in flex dontya? ::) Shawn should have been first. Only Dorian thought he should have won. ND why can't you understand that Dorian looks like trash.? Why? ???

From an aesthetics standpoint Yates did look like ' shit ' he looked like ' shit ' compared to 1993 however he was still the clear winner no questions about it and FYI Shawn was a VERY distant second , he wasn't close on paper or in reality , truth be told he was lucky to place ahead Levrone and that did NOT bode well with the fans in Atlanta , and another fact you might want to nibble on  Shawn was actually trailing Kevin 4 points after the prejudging and really only beat Levrone by virtue of a better posing routine , so spare me the Shawn should have won routine he was 5'7" and 205 pounds thats last Mr Olympia who weighed close to 200 pounds was Samir Bannout in 1983 , he was born in the wrong era he would have flourished in the 1970s early 1980s , but not matter how aesthetically pleasing Shawn's physique was that was NOT going to compensate for a 60 pound muscle deficit and no back width
Title: Re: What year did BODYBUILDING die ???
Post by: Quickerblade on August 25, 2007, 07:07:43 PM
when Bigger became better, thats when the sport died, A Mr Olympia with a Gut is an abomination
Title: Re: What year did BODYBUILDING die ???
Post by: tweeter on August 25, 2007, 07:13:56 PM
Whatever year this photo was taken in...
Title: Re: What year did BODYBUILDING die ???
Post by: Vince B on August 25, 2007, 07:29:24 PM
Bodybuilding was hugely popular when Steve Reeves portrayed Hercules in movies in 1959 and 1960. Bodybuilding died when everyone 'knew' they used drugs. Women's bodybuilding died when they started to look like blokes.
Title: Re: What year did BODYBUILDING die ???
Post by: Hulkster on August 25, 2007, 07:49:07 PM
Quote
ND why can't you understand that Dorian looks like trash.? Why?


because he is a complete and total idiot.

just see the truce thread for 1300 pages of proof. :-\

1994:
Title: Re: What year did BODYBUILDING die ???
Post by: djohnsen on August 26, 2007, 02:27:43 AM
Bodybuilding was hugely popular when Steve Reeves portrayed Hercules in movies in 1959 and 1960. Bodybuilding died when everyone 'knew' they used drugs. Women's bodybuilding died when they started to look like blokes.

I think think Vince nailed it. When people realized that BB is mostly about drugs.
For me it was a shock to read about what bbs take, and the fascination of it is
gone.

I'm a bit puzzled by the fact that changing this is easy. Don't award the big guys,
award symmetry. Bob u listening?
Title: Re: What year did BODYBUILDING die ???
Post by: Quickerblade on August 26, 2007, 03:41:22 AM
Bodybuilding was hugely popular when Steve Reeves portrayed Hercules in movies in 1959 and 1960. Bodybuilding died when everyone 'knew' they used drugs. Women's bodybuilding died when they started to look like blokes.
i agree with Vince on this
Title: Re: What year did BODYBUILDING die ???
Post by: NarcissisticDeity on August 26, 2007, 05:27:19 AM
because he is a complete and total idiot.

just see the truce thread for 1300 pages of proof. :-\

1994:

Again you post a single picture of a relaxed Yates as some sort of proof that supports your claim and it only highlights your ignorance , again from an aesthetics standpoint Yates looks like garbage , however thats NOT why he won , he won because he was the biggest , densest and best conditioned athlete period ,  and just see the truce thread for be correcting your ignorance for 1300 pages  ;)


the 1994 Mr Olympia was no contest
Title: Re: What year did BODYBUILDING die ???
Post by: crc69 on August 26, 2007, 05:28:25 AM
Bodybuilding died when everyone 'knew' they used drugs.[/color]

No, a lot of people don't know BBing is 99% drugs.
Most of non-initiated people think Arnold is natural...
Title: Re: What year did BODYBUILDING die ???
Post by: crc69 on August 26, 2007, 05:30:55 AM
because he is a complete and total idiot.

just see the truce thread for 1300 pages of proof. :-\

1994:

Right.
Dorian shouldn't even have been placed < 10 in 1994 (an 1996)
He fad the biggest gut of all competitors (+ no arms, no legs, ... nothing):
Title: Re: What year did BODYBUILDING die ???
Post by: NarcissisticDeity on August 26, 2007, 06:24:00 AM
Right.
Dorian shouldn't even have been placed < 10 in 1994 (an 1996)
He fad the biggest gut of all competitors (+ no arms, no legs, ... nothing):

You're just like Hulkster  ;) post a single pic and think thats the whole contest  ::) and I love how you articulate your point lol

Title: Re: What year did BODYBUILDING die ???
Post by: MAXX on August 26, 2007, 06:28:38 AM
the hulkster truce mob hijacked another thread..
Title: Re: What year did BODYBUILDING die ???
Post by: Man of Steel on August 26, 2007, 06:31:48 AM
Again you post a single picture of a relaxed Yates as some sort of proof that supports your claim and it only highlights your ignorance , again from an aesthetics standpoint Yates looks like garbage , however thats NOT why he won , he won because he was the biggest , densest and best conditioned athlete period ,  and just see the truce thread for be correcting your ignorance for 1300 pages  ;)


the 1994 Mr Olympia was no contest

Those are some of the sickest shots I've ever seen of Yates.......man is a machine.
Title: Re: What year did BODYBUILDING die ???
Post by: Hulkster on August 26, 2007, 07:13:24 AM
Right.
Dorian shouldn't even have been placed < 10 in 1994 (an 1996)
He fad the biggest gut of all competitors (+ no arms, no legs, ... nothing):

agreed.

notice how ND only posts pics of dorian's back, which in 1994 wasn't even the best in the contest (at least as far as the back double bi goes). It was still pretty good though.

from the front side, dorian was an abomination in 1994..arms and legs just.. :-\

just look at this: :-\
Title: Re: What year did BODYBUILDING die ???
Post by: NarcissisticDeity on August 26, 2007, 07:31:14 AM
agreed.

notice how ND only posts pics of dorian's back, which in 1994 wasn't even the best in the contest (at least as far as the back double bi goes). It was still pretty good though.

from the front side, dorian was an abomination in 1994..arms and legs just.. :-\

just look at this: :-\

LMFAO Hulkster cherry picking what he things wins contests lol and again selective posting of pictures highlights your ignorance , again you post a few select shots thinking should loose the whole contest bases on that the pinnacle of bias , try these  ;)

and I could harp all over Ray's weaknesses it doesn't change anything Yates was in NO danger what so ever of losing in 1994 , now 2001 thats a whole other story  ;)