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http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/law/08/27/michael.vick/index.html
"I'm totally responsible and those things just didn't have to happen."
He said, "Through this situation I've found Jesus."
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http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/law/08/27/michael.vick/index.html
"I'm totally responsible and those things just didn't have to happen."
He said, "Through this situation I've found Jesus."
he said"I got a lot of time to think about my actions..." Yeah, and to think about how much fucking money he pissed away. Talk about your all time back-fires...pathetic.
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he said"I got a lot of time to think about my actions..." Yeah, and to think about how much fucking money he pissed away. Talk about your all time back-fires...pathetic.
True.
Here is his apology. http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2992890 I watched the clip. He did a good job. Said the right things. Now he needs to follow through with what he said and get his act together. I hope he comes back. He was good for the league (on the field).
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I hate that this thug mentality is popular... Things like this sadden me...
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http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/law/08/27/michael.vick/index.html
"I'm totally responsible and those things just didn't have to happen."
He said, "Through this situation I've found Jesus."
Perhaps Jesus could inspire Vick to stop saying "axe" in place of "ask".
I wonder if Vick was thinking of Jesus while he was executing those dogs that didn't want to fight badly enough?
BTW, excellent use of Calvin and Hobbes. That and Bloom County were my favorites growing up.
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I hate that this thug mentality is popular... Things like this sadden me...
Me too. What a waste. This guy was redefining the QB position and was one of the very few NFL players who got endorsement money. He was probably the most exciting player to watch since Barry (at least for me). Down the toilet now.
I'm not sure whether the thug mentality has much to do with this situation. He was just stupid. I don't know how widespread dog fighting is in the U.S., but I remember as a child seeing some guys having pit bulls fight each other. I never really gave it second thought. I don't think they were fighting to the death and I doubt they were executing dogs.
Vick grossly underestimated how this would play across the country. I agree with those who say he might have been better off killing a person.
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True.
Here is his apology. http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2992890 I watched the clip. He did a good job. Said the right things. Now he needs to follow through with what he said and get his act together. I hope he comes back. He was good for the league (on the field).
Haha comes back for and from what? He's finished! Falcons can now go after him, and get their money back.
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Haha comes back for and from what? He's finished! Falcons can now go after him, and get their money back.
Hardly. There is a long history of redemption in pro sports. Anyone who can run, jump, throw, tackle, etc. will always get multiple opportunities. And when you are arguably the best athlete in the game (like Vick) there will always be teams lining up to give you a job.
Ray Lewis is still playing, despite his involvement in a murder case. His case was much worse than Vick's, because someone actually died. Lawrence Phillips was around forever. Because Jeff George has one of the strongest arms in NFL history, he still gets calls for a job, even though he is a head case. Ryan Leaf. ::) Granted Goodell is much tougher and has done a spectacular job so far, but I doubt he keeps Vick out longer than a year (after his jail sentence).
Depending on the length of his sentence, I think he'll serve about a year in jail and a one year NFL suspension after that. He'll be back in 2010 or 2011. Tried to bet one of my partners a Happy Meal that Vick will be back on the field, but he was too chicken.
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what's wrong w vick finding jesus after he's pretty much lost everything?
if some of you pharisees cracked a bible, you'd see that jesus himself claimed that those were exactly the people he came for . . . not for all you "i've got my shit together" types.
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what's wrong w vick finding jesus after he's pretty much lost everything?
if some of you pharisees cracked a bible, you'd see that jesus himself claimed that those were exactly the people he came for . . . not for all you "i've got my shit together" types.
It's the typical thing you here from high profile people who get in big trouble. they run around proclaim they found Jesus and they have changed.
If they have truly found Jesus they should keep it to themselves and when they really do change they can point to Jesus as the reason.
Until then they should shut the hell up and deal with the consequences they brought upon themselves.
Real change takes time.
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It's the typical thing you here from high profile people who get in big trouble. they run around proclaim they found Jesus and they have changed.
If they have truly found Jesus they should keep it to themselves and when they really do change they can point to Jesus as the reason.
Until then they should shut the hell up and deal with the consequences they brought upon themselves.
Real change takes time.
finding jesus doesn't mean that the rest of your life is going to be perfect.
change takes a long time . . . and who knows if it's a front?
some people throw jesus out there at the drop of a hat, but if you really want to get down to it, it's god who judges the hearts of men . . . not men. so, i wouldn't waste any time over what he said unless it directly affected me.
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finding jesus doesn't mean that the rest of your life is going to be perfect.
change takes a long time . . . and who knows if it's a front?
some people throw jesus out there at the drop of a hat, but if you really want to get down to it, it's god who judges the hearts of men . . . not men. so, i wouldn't waste any time over what he said unless it directly affected me.
I have no problem with him finding Jesus, i do have a problem with him advertising it. Only a problem about it to the extent of posting my thoughts about it.
He needs to shut his mouth and pay the price of his actions.
Which i think he's doing now.
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It's the typical thing you here from high profile people who get in big trouble. they run around proclaim they found Jesus and they have changed.
If they have truly found Jesus they should keep it to themselves and when they really do change they can point to Jesus as the reason.
Until then they should shut the hell up and deal with the consequences they brought upon themselves.
Real change takes time.
I'm cynical about jailhouse conversions, but another view is sometimes a person must hit rock bottom before they realize that they really need help.
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I have no problem with him finding Jesus, i do have a problem with him advertising it. Only a problem about it to the extent of posting my thoughts about it.
He needs to shut his mouth and pay the price of his actions.
Which i think he's doing now.
that's one way to look at it . . . another interpretation of his actions might be that he's signaling, "yeah, ron mexico, mr. untouchable, knows he fucked up . . . I can't do it on my own."
there's nothing wrong in asking for clemency, even indirectly . . . not doing so might be a sign of pride.
but, yeah, in our society, the jesus card is a little played out.
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I'm cynical about jailhouse conversions, but another view is sometimes a person must hit rock bottom before they realize that they really need help.
Yes, hitting rock bottom often wakes people up. Nothing wrong with that. And nothing wrong with turning to Jesus. I just believe when you proclaim you "found" him in this type of situation you are putting the cart before the horse so to speak. Truly change THEN praise loud and clear to all that can hear.
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that's one way to look at it . . . another interpretation of his actions might be that he's signaling, "yeah, ron mexico, mr. untouchable, knows he fucked up . . . I can't do it on my own."
there's nothing wrong in asking for clemency, even indirectly . . . not doing so might be a sign of pride.
but, yeah, in our society, the jesus card is a little played out.
I see your point and agree.
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Funny how people in these situations always find Jesus and not Allah, Buddha, or Vishnu.
Perhaps he is sincere. I just find the timing a bit dubious
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Funny how people in these situations always find Jesus and not Allah, Buddha, or Vishnu.
Perhaps he is sincere. I just find the timing a bit dubious
Fear changes people's honesty. Of course Vick believes he's sincere. ;)
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Funny how people in these situations always find Jesus and not Allah, Buddha, or Vishnu.
Perhaps he is sincere. I just find the timing a bit dubious
The vast majority of Americans don't worship Allah, Buddha or Vishnu, they worship Jesus.
If you're trying to appeal to the most people you find Jesus.
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The vast majority of Americans don't worship Allah, Buddha or Vishnu, they worship Jesus.
If you're trying to appeal to the most people you find Jesus.
I'm guessing you missed my sarcasm
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I'm guessing you missed my sarcasm
"Perhaps he is sincere. I just find the timing a bit dubious"
You need to work on your sarcasm, more bite and less serious statement. I'll work on my sarcasm comprehension.
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"Perhaps he is sincere. I just find the timing a bit dubious"
You need to work on your sarcasm, more bite and less serious statement. I'll work on my sarcasm comprehension.
you'll have to try harder to know what I'm thinking when I type something
how was that for sarcasm?
Ok, I'll keep working on it
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you'll have to try harder to know what I'm thinking when I type something
how was that for sarcasm?
Ok, I'll keep working on it
Perfect, thanks.
I'll keep working on the comprehension part. It's a lot easier when you can hear the sarcastic inflection in someone's voice.
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Thread title needs to be changed....."Vick find Jebus"
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Hardly. There is a long history of redemption in pro sports. Anyone who can run, jump, throw, tackle, etc. will always get multiple opportunities. And when you are arguably the best athlete in the game (like Vick) there will always be teams lining up to give you a job.
Ray Lewis is still playing, despite his involvement in a murder case. His case was much worse than Vick's, because someone actually died. Lawrence Phillips was around forever. Because Jeff George has one of the strongest arms in NFL history, he still gets calls for a job, even though he is a head case. Ryan Leaf. ::) Granted Goodell is much tougher and has done a spectacular job so far, but I doubt he keeps Vick out longer than a year (after his jail sentence).
Depending on the length of his sentence, I think he'll serve about a year in jail and a one year NFL suspension after that. He'll be back in 2010 or 2011. Tried to bet one of my partners a Happy Meal that Vick will be back on the field, but he was too chicken.
Your pretty blind on this subject matter.
The charges that stand today were part of a larger investigation of a drug ring, which Vick was also a part of.
The feds still have RICO charges looking at Vick, yeah that's right a criminal enterprise (what employer would not want that on his employees resume)
Yeah 56 dogs are dying in this case, also alot on his backyard
Hmm redemption you say, Ron Mexico, Marijuana.....when does the redemption part come when he kills dog 100?
He was involved in a gambling operation, mail fraud, wire fraud, money laundering, etc. (Is this clear for you?)
Do you now know he has been suspended FOREVER!!
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Your pretty blind on this subject matter.
The charges that stand today were part of a larger investigation of a drug ring, which Vick was also a part of.
The feds still have RICO charges looking at Vick, yeah that's right a criminal enterprise (what employer would not want that on his employees resume)
Yeah 56 dogs are dying in this case, also alot on his backyard
Hmm redemption you say, Ron Mexico, Marijuana.....when does the redemption part come when he kills dog 100?
He was involved in a gambling operation, mail fraud, wire fraud, money laundering, etc. (Is this clear for you?)
Do you now know he has been suspended FOREVER!!
Not blind. Just a realist who is keeping things in perspective. We're talking about animals here, not humans.
I also know the history of the NFL pretty well when it comes to players getting second chances. Here is what happened to a current NFL player who killed a person:
Leonard Antonio Little (born October 19, 1974 in Asheville, North Carolina) is an American football Defensive End who currently plays for the St. Louis Rams of the NFL. He attended the University of Tennessee.
After a drunken birthday in 1998, NFL star Leonard Little crashed into and killed another motorist, Susan Gutweiler. When tested, his blood alcohol level measured 0.19 percent. Little received 90 days in jail, four years probation and 1000 hours of community service.
Six years later, Little was again arrested for drunk driving and speeding. Little was acquitted of driving while intoxicated, but was convicted of the misdemeanor speeding charge.
On Week 11 of the 2006 NFL season, Little signed a 3-year extension with the Rams.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leonard_Little
What Vick did was terrible, but people > than animals. If someone who killed a woman can play in the NFL, then someone who conspired to participate in dog fighting and kill underperforming dogs can play in the NFL.
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ray lewis' plea was innocent and found not guilty right?
vick pleaded guilty.
there's a big difference.
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ray lewis' plea was innocent and found not guilty right?
vick pleaded guilty.
there's a big difference.
Ray Lewis pleaded guilty to obstruction of justice in a murder case. Vick pleaded guilty to conspiracy in an animal cruelty case.
There is a big difference. Ray Lewis' case was much worse, because a person died.
You might be confusing Ray Lewis with his co-defendants. They were acquitted. Ray Lewis was the only defendant who was actually found guilty of a crime (through his guilty plea).
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Ray Lewis pleaded guilty to obstruction of justice in a murder case. Vick pleaded guilty to conspiracy in an animal cruelty case.
There is a big difference. Ray Lewis' case was much worse, because a person died.
You might be confusing Ray Lewis with his co-defendants. They were acquitted. Ray Lewis was the only defendant who was actually found guilty of a crime (through his guilty plea).
thanks for the clarification. i WAS a redskins fan at the time :o
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everyone fins jesus when they get caught, had the feds not found out he did what he did he wouldnt even be looking for jesus
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thanks for the clarification. i WAS a redskins fan at the time :o
No sweat.
You dumped your team? Shame on you. I'm a lifelong Niners fan and I've had a loooong past several years. We are turning the corner.