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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: The Coach on August 31, 2007, 10:01:29 PM
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The last time I competed was in 1991, I was 29 then. Now I'm finally getting ready for my first show in 16 years and even though I've kept up with the times so to speak, and as I look around my gym, read these boards and read about peoples different training philosophies, I've came to the realization that BBing is no longer about lifting weights and dieting......it's about (and in this order), drugs, diet, cardio and then weights.
I'm about as old school as one can get and when I read or see about how most people nowadays are getting ready for shows, it's almost laughable because I seriously don't think that SOME people really understand what it took or takes to get really ready to compete. IMO, it's about hitting the weights hard, dieting HARD, some gear and cardio, but again, it's drugs, 2 hours or cardio and about 45MINS OF WEIGHTS.....wtf??
Now I know why most people (pros especially) do more cardio than actually train with weights and of course it's because they rely more on the gear than they do on their actual weight training and diet...........but here's the thing, even though they do more cardio than weight train, and even though they're bigger, they're also smoother, sure some are harder, but 90% lack clear separation and striations no matter how much cardio they do.
Well, there's my rant for the evening, take it for what it's worth and even though I'm going to do it again and after looking at todays competitors, I'm still convinced that BBing's best days are behind us, people have relied on gear and are much lazier because of it.
Personally, I prefer old school training and sucking it up on a diet up until the day of a show. Like the old saying used to be............."if you don't look like you're dieing on stage, you didn't diet hard enough".
Funny how some think that nowadays is "hardcore"...........ha, you've NEVER seen hardcore until you've trained or got ready for a show old school!!!
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meltdown!
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he is right about bodybuilders progressively getting smoother and smoother
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meltdown!
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Na, not a meltdown at all, just a reality check.
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are you saying i could just do the drugs, not lift, and still be jacked?
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So basically the more volume you do the more hardcore you are? Intensity or insanity baby, 100 sets a bodypart here I come!
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Na, not a meltdown at all, just a reality check.
Joe just do your thing, don't worry about the posers... you will kick ass no matter what..........Old school baby!
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So basically the more volume you do the more hardcore you are? Intensity or insanity baby, 100 sets a bodypart here I come!
2 hour of cardio, 45mins of weights, insulin, gear, t-3, clen, eca.............you do the math.
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Joe just do your thing, don't worry about the posers... you will kick ass no matter what..........Old school baby!
I'd like to see it that way.
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2 hour of cardio, 45mins of weights, insulin, gear, t-3, clen, eca.............you do the math.
still think gh15's full of shit?
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still think gh15's full of shit?
Yes, he's dangerous in his posts.
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2 hour of cardio, 45mins of weights, insulin, gear, t-3, clen, eca.............you do the math.
What kind of split do you do and how many sets etc?
You wont be doing any thermogenics or t-3, just a little juice?
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45 mins of weights is laughable for someone on gear.
i was taking some prohormones and i couldnt leave the gym untill at least an hour and a half..no matter what body part. i just didnt want to stop lifting. sometimes i was in the gym for up to two and a half hours ...just getting heavier and heavier, going harder and hardeer the whole way through. if you are on GEAR and only lifting for 45 mins you are def. in the wrong sport.
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What kind of split do you do and how many sets etc?
You wont be doing any thermogenics or t-3, just a little juice?
My training is reversed of my cardio, I started dieting at 18 weeks before my show, I prefer small cycles for longer periods. Starting at 18 weeks out i shouldn't need t-3, but I'm older, who knows. I'm not THAT old school....LOL!
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545 mins of weights is laughable for someone on gear.
i was taking some prohormones and i couldnt leave the gym untill at least an hour and a half..no matter what body part. i just didnt want to stop lifting. sometimes i was in the gym for up to two and a half hours ...just getting heavier and heavier, going harder and hardeer the whole way through. if you are on GEAR and only lifting for 45 mins you are def. in the wrong sport.
Maybe I exaggerated a little.......but not much I promise you.
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I know why most people (pros especially) do more cardio than actually train with weights and of course it's because they rely more on the gear than they do on their actual weight training and diet...........
Um..... when you take gear you still gotta lift weights. The muscle doesn't just appear out of nowhere you know. And, believe it or not, when you are getting ready for a show, you gotta diet. Gear doesn't just make you look like a pro bodybuilder, you still gotta bust your arse to see any results.
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Um..... when you take gear you still gotta lift weights. The muscle doesn't just appear out of nowhere you know. And, believe it or not, when you are getting ready for a show, you gotta diet. Gear doesn't just make you look like a pro bodybuilder, you still gotta bust your arse to see any results.
I'm actually referring to pros and people who have been competing or training for along time.
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if you are on GEAR and only lifting for 45 mins you are def. in the wrong sport.
Depends on how or what you are training. Do some all out deadlifts and see how many sets you can do. Just because someone was finished in 45 min doesn't automatically mean he didn't have a productive or exhausting workout. You can absolutely kill yourself with just a few sets of compound exercises.
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The last time I competed was in 1991, I was 29 then. Now I'm finally getting ready for my first show in 16 years and even though I've kept up with the times so to speak, and as I look around my gym, read these boards and read about peoples different training philosophies, I've came to the realization that BBing is no longer about lifting weights and dieting......it's about (and in this order), drugs, diet, cardio and then weights.
You "came to this realization" in what manner? If this is truly the order you believe to be of importance, you have no idea what your doing....
I'm about as old school as one can get and when I read or see about how most people nowadays are getting ready for shows, it's almost laughable because I seriously don't think that SOME people really understand what it took or takes to get really ready to compete. IMO, it's about hitting the weights hard, dieting HARD, some gear and cardio, but again, it's drugs, 2 hours or cardio and about 45MINS OF WEIGHTS.....wtf??
It may be like this for some fools....but certainly nobody who's any good.
Now I know why most people (pros especially) do more cardio than actually train with weights and of course it's because they rely more on the gear than they do on their actual weight training and diet...........but here's the thing, even though they do more cardio than weight train, and even though they're bigger, they're also smoother, sure some are harder, but 90% lack clear separation and striations no matter how much cardio they do.
Where do you get this notion that there is more cardio than training? The two have nothing to do with each other...and slow cardio (which is the preferred method by almost all pro's) of course takes more time....add this up with the fact that we overtrained bigtime years ago, and you have your answer.
Well, there's my rant for the evening, take it for what it's worth and even though I'm going to do it again and after looking at todays competitors, I'm still convinced that BBing's best days are behind us, people have relied on gear and are much lazier because of it.
Personally, I prefer old school training and sucking it up on a diet up until the day of a show. Like the old saying used to be............."if you don't look like you're dieing on stage, you didn't diet hard enough".
Funny how some think that nowadays is "hardcore"...........ha, you've NEVER seen hardcore until you've trained or got ready for a show old school!!!
Your "old school" ideals are still true to form....all the gear in the world doesn't make a pitbull out of a chihuahua.
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I came to the realization of walking into several gyms where pro's train (including mine) and watching how things changed over the years. And yes Bob, after 30 years I know exactly what I'm talking about and how training and gear has changed the industry.
I'd reply to your responses, but I don't have time to be clicking back and forth because you can't seperate my quote from your posts!!
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Sorry...my bad.
I've only got 29 years in the business, what do i know...
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The cardio thing Bob, I'll just give a couple of examples, a few years ago before Titus became an inmate, I trained at Golds LV for a few days, got to know him and trained with him for a couple of days, I went along with his routein, he was getting ready for a show so who was I to change things, each weight session lasted about an hour, later he was back for a two hour cardio session. Also, I usually see people getting ready for a show training ONE bodypart perday for about 45-1 hour and the cardio sessions lasting longer.
Now, Lee Labrada is one of my favorite BBers, he beat one of my best friends (Jon Aranita) the year he turned pro.......even though I never trained with laBrada, from what I understand, his weight training was also less than his cardio workouts, BUT, he was smaller, but also more shredded with better symmetry than anyone of today.
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Sorry...my bad.
I've only got 29 years in the business, what do i know...
Didn't say you did not know anything, you clearly do, what's you're point?
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I think alot of the smoothness is oil too. Its just pathetic what some guys do to place.
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I think alot of the smoothness is oil too. Its just pathetic what some guys do to place.
Insulin!
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Insulin is just HARDCORE.
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The cardio thing Bob, I'll just give a couple of examples, a few years ago before Titus became an inmate, I trained at Golds LV for a few days, got to know him and trained with him for a couple of days, I went along with his routein, he was getting ready for a show so who was I to change things, each weight session lasted about an hour, later he was back for a two hour cardio session. Also, I usually see people getting ready for a show training ONE bodypart perday for about 45-1 hour and the cardio sessions lasting longer.
SO WHAT???? ::)
The sport is called Bodybuilding, not weightlifting. If you manage to build your body completely without lifting weights and look good on stage everything is fine too....
What you wanna say with the point that some pro's cardio sessions last longer than their weightlifting sessions, somehow I don't get it....? ??? :P Is there a rule in the IFBB-rulebook prescribing that you're not allowed to perform more then 45 minutes of cardio per day when preparing for a show or what??
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you mad old man?
your glory' day jibber jabber amuses me
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SO WHAT???? ::)
The sport is called Bodybuilding, not weightlifting. If you manage to build your body completely without lifting weights and look good on stage everything is fine too....
What you wanna say with the point that some pro's cardio sessions last longer than their weightlifting sessions, somehow I don't get it....? ??? :P Is there a rule in the IFBB-rulebook prescribing that you're not allowed to perform more then 45 minutes of cardio per day when preparing for a show or what??
You're joking......right?
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The cardio thing Bob, I'll just give a couple of examples, a few years ago before Titus became an inmate, I trained at Golds LV for a few days, got to know him and trained with him for a couple of days, I went along with his routein, he was getting ready for a show so who was I to change things, each weight session lasted about an hour, later he was back for a two hour cardio session. Also, I usually see people getting ready for a show training ONE bodypart perday for about 45-1 hour and the cardio sessions lasting longer.
Now, Lee Labrada is one of my favorite BBers, he beat one of my best friends (Jon Aranita) the year he turned pro.......even though I never trained with laBrada, from what I understand, his weight training was also less than his cardio workouts, BUT, he was smaller, but also more shredded with better symmetry than anyone of today.
Titus? Great example.....Titus was never the "norm" if you follow me....
EVERYONE'S cardio is longer than their training these days for the simple fact that the emphasis on conditioning is far greater than it was 15-20 years ago....
If your workout is longer than your cardio.....you havent learned anything in all these years.
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you mad old man?
your glory' day jibber jabber amuses me
LOL....I'm not mad, if I was mad I wouldn't be competing again, just pointing out the differences between the last time I got ready for a show and now.
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Bob, serious question, do you think the athletes have taken it too far with conditioning/being dry? I think it is to the point now, where peoples lives are in danger every time they do a show.
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discuss you aas use, if you will
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Just load up the needle 4 times and pop twenty pills. Hahaha i remember when i first started I was scared to take creatine.
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Bob, serious question, do you think the athletes have taken it too far with conditioning/being dry? I think it is to the point now, where peoples lives are in danger every time they do a show.
How many BBs have died in the past 10 years?? ::)
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Titus? Great example.....Titus was never the "norm" if you follow me....
EVERYONE'S cardio is longer than their training these days for the simple fact that the emphasis on conditioning is far greater than it was 15-20 years ago....
If your workout is longer than your cardio.....you havent learned anything in all these years.
1. Exactly my point Chick, people are doing longer cardio, but conditioning is worse than it was 15-20 years ago and you know the reason why.
2. Yes, I learned not to do gear that will make my conditioning worse, but don't get me wrong, I'm doing 45min-1 hour of cardio per day.
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Check out arnies waiste. That is bodybuilding at its best.
And fast forward... to today!
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1. Exactly my point Chick, people are doing longer cardio, but conditioning is worse than it was 15-20 years ago and you know the reason why.
Because the athletes are 50 pounds heavier on stage than 15-20 years ago?? ::) ???
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Bob, serious question, do you think the athletes have taken it too far with conditioning/being dry? I think it is to the point now, where peoples lives are in danger every time they do a show.
Absolutely...unfortunate ly, it's the nature of the beast. All sports get bigger, faster, stronger...
It's a combination of the judging rewarding such extremes, and the athletes trying to achieve an extreme look thats being rewarded....
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Because the athletes are 50 pounds heavier on stage than 15-20 years ago?? ::) ???
........and worse symmetry and worse conditioning. You wanna try something different........get'em ripped and big with symmetry, the day you get a 5'9 300lb man down to a 30" waist or his stomach doesn't stick out further than his chest, they I'll listen.
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It's a combination of the judging rewarding such extremes, and the athletes trying to achieve an extreme look thats being rewarded....
I agree and it sucks, this isn't what the BBing forefathers had in mind.
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Is there any way that it will ever be reversed...I liked the way the guys from the 90's looked...ie levrone, wheeler, ray, etc...and then ronnie came along and made it ok to have a gut, since then, bodybuilding has been on a steady decline...
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Na, not a meltdown at all, just a reality check.
Finally, I agree with someone.
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Is there any way that it will ever be reversed...I liked the way the guys from the 90's looked...ie levrone, wheeler, ray, etc...and then ronnie came along and made it ok to have a gut, since then, bodybuilding has been on a steady decline...
IMO, it already has in a sorts. The smaller pro shows you're starting to have the smaller guys win or place high, Silvio looked great off the insulin and proved that a good smaller guy can win against the bigger guy, but unfortunatly, the Olympia is a whole other story, the big person will always win..........unless there is a fair comparison and they bring back the weight classes for that show.
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Is there any way that it will ever be reversed...I liked the way the guys from the 90's looked...ie levrone, wheeler, ray, etc...and then ronnie came along and made it ok to have a gut, since then, bodybuilding has been on a steady decline...
Yes...change the judging criteria and start placing guys with guts/ obvious synthol use/ gyno/ no detail/ etc.....down at the bottom of the order (and out of the money)
Watch how fast the physiques start to look like they should....
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But how do we as the fans make that happen?
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Yes, he's dangerous in his posts.
only a stupid person would take drug advice from an anonymous stranger online.
stupid people are allowed to poison, and kill themselves.
it makes the world better. darwinism at its finest. if you are dumb enough to shoot insulin because some guy posing as a pro tells you to, it's probably better if you dont reproduce.
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Yes...change the judging criteria and start placing guys with guts/ obvious synthol use/ gyno/ no detail/ etc.....down at the bottom of the order (and out of the money)
Watch how fast the physiques start to look like they should....
The problem is convincing the judges to change the criteria.......how do you do that?
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But how do we as the fans make that happen?
That's the paradox....the fans want to see freaks for the most part, the ideals of symmetry and proportion and poise is nostalgic and all, but the fans arent willing to support it, either....
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only a stupid person would take drug advice from an anonymous stranger online.
stupid people are allowed to poison, and kill themselves.
it makes the world better. darwinism at its finest. if you are dumb enough to shoot insulin because some guy posing as a pro tells you to, it's probably better if you dont reproduce.
But unfortunatly some of the younger posters on here may not realize it or don't know any better and take it as gospel.
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Bob for the most part, a lot of people on here are saying they prefer symetrical guys now...I think it may be because they were used to seeing symetry, and then ronnie opened up in 2003...at the time many people were just in awe of how he looked...but when you break down his physique according to bodybuilding standards he looked awful and I think a lot of people are starting to realize this. That being said, is there a different crowd at bodybuilding shows than people who are online? I would take a symetrical 250lb guy over ronnie 2003 anyday...Last but not least, everyone says they want bodybuilding to be mainstream...Do they honestly think mainstream society would accept ronnie coleman or jay cutler?
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The problem is convincing the judges to change the criteria.......how do you do that?
Easy..I point out the obvious (that the sport isn't better with those physiques winning)
More realistic, is the notion that someone will come along with the winning combo that all others will be compared to...kind of like the Bizzaro world version of the Dorian era..! ;D
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So bob your saying if another flex wheeler comes along(phil heath imo), and adds the right amount of muscle and keeps his condition...and the fans say they want him to win the O, the sport may reverse itself? Because the way things are going this sport is headed nowhere...
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Bob for the most part, a lot of people on here are saying they prefer symetrical guys now...I think it may be because they were used to seeing symetry, and then ronnie opened up in 2003...at the time many people were just in awe of how he looked...but when you break down his physique according to bodybuilding standards he looked awful and I think a lot of people are starting to realize this. That being said, is there a different crowd at bodybuilding shows than people who are online? I would take a symetrical 250lb guy over ronnie 2003 anyday...Last but not least, everyone says they want bodybuilding to be mainstream...Do they honestly think mainstream society would accept ronnie coleman or jay cutler?
You cant use Getbig as a representation of the masses, as it represent a very small market (even in comparison to our already very small market of BB)
You may prefer a symmetrical 250 lb. BB, but the judges dont.....I was that 250 lb. BB and only managed to place 18th in my Olympia debut...LOL.
"everyone" who thinks we could ever appeal to "mainstream" is only kidding themselves...never have, never will.
That being said...we dont need to...we need to appeal to our OWN fans first and foremost (which number in the tens of thousands, if not millions.)
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So bob your saying if another flex wheeler comes along(phil heath imo), and adds the right amount of muscle and keeps his condition...and the fans say they want him to win the O, the sport may reverse itself? Because the way things are going this sport is headed nowhere...
The winner sets the standard....had Flex won over Dorian, the future of BB may have been very different.
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Oh god I wish he had...then maybe he wouldn't have fucked up his body with all that synthol, and we could have seen a very different version of flex...
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But unfortunatly some of the younger posters on here may not realize it or don't know any better and take it as gospel.
you know from the 1st grade on - DO NOT TAKE PILLS FROM STRANGERS.
gh15 is a stranger. you know steroids are illegal/risky by the time you're 12 in this country. If you are dumb enough to take it as gospel, I don't want you in the gene pool. You're the most gullible link. You're probably going to waste my tax dollars with welfare anyway, because you're stupid and lazy, taking illegal drug advice from an anonymous guy on getbig.
So I say, let those dumb kids take their chances.
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Sorry...my bad.
I've only got 29 years in the business, what do i know...
In those 29 years how many of those have you been pro. Just want to see the ratio. You do realize if you knew as much as you think you know it wouldn't have taken you what 20 years to be a pro or whatever. I know you'll come back with a half-wit response, but in reality this is true. Sure it takes time to be a pro but exactly how long did it take YOU. And how many others took this long. Just wondering cause you are my hero.
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you know from the 1st grade on - DO NOT TAKE PILLS FROM STRANGERS.
gh15 is a stranger. you know steroids are illegal/risky by the time you're 12 in this country. If you are dumb enough to take it as gospel, I don't want you in the gene pool. You're the most gullible link. You're probably going to waste my tax dollars with welfare anyway, because you're stupid and lazy, taking illegal drug advice from an anonymous guy on getbig.
So I say, let those dumb kids take their chances.
;D yes!
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only a stupid person would take drug advice from an anonymous stranger online.
stupid people are allowed to poison, and kill themselves.
it makes the world better. darwinism at its finest. if you are dumb enough to shoot insulin because some guy posing as a pro tells you to, it's probably better if you dont reproduce.
so do me a favor and ask the 10s of pms i get in a single week asking me to contribute to their magazines and shows and future career and web sites and all that good stuff for $ that I DO NOT NEED
i told you that 100 of times,,i already have enough exposure for a life time during my career,i dont need to make money out of gh15,,what i do as gh15 is for you to learn something about the sport you love and what it takes to get to the top
also about the cardio thing,,i dont even look at a cardio machine untill i wanna be 3-4% ,,ANYONE CAN GET TO 6% WITH OUT DOING CARDIO,,ANY ONE THAT HAS A PENIS BETWEEN HIS LEGS
thanks you very much and good morning :)
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so do me a favor and ask the 10s of pms i get in a single week asking me to contribute to their magazines and shows and future career and web sites and all that good stuff for $ that I DO NOT NEED
i told you that 100 of times,,i already have enough exposure for a life time during my career,i dont need to make money out of gh15,,what i do as gh15 is for you to learn something about the sport you love and what it takes to get to the top
also about the cardio thing,,i dont even look at a cardio machine untill i wanna be 3-4% ,,ANYONE CAN GET TO 6% WITH OUT DOING CARDIO,,ANY ONE THAT HAS A PENIS BETWEEN HIS LEGS
thanks you very much and good morning :)
You're just a little pincushion arent you. mom would be proud.
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so do me a favor and ask the 10s of pms i get in a single week asking me to contribute to their magazines and shows and future career and web sites and all that good stuff for $ that I DO NOT NEED
i told you that 100 of times,,i already have enough exposure for a life time during my career,i dont need to make money out of gh15,,what i do as gh15 is for you to learn something about the sport you love and what it takes to get to the top
also about the cardio thing,,i dont even look at a cardio machine untill i wanna be 3-4% ,,ANYONE CAN GET TO 6% WITH OUT DOING CARDIO,,ANY ONE THAT HAS A PENIS BETWEEN HIS LEGS
thanks you very much and good morning :)
dont get me wrong, gh15. I think you are a pro bodybuilder. and you certianly know your shit. But it's the responsibility for any reader to take your advice, and check it out, before he pins himself. Just like you'd get a second opinion before heart surgery. you cover your bases. even tho the doc is a known, certified professional with 8 years of college.
it's just common sense. no offense to you at all. i love your posts dude. It's just that kids should take your advice, and check it against other sources, preferably someone they know or a doctor or both. There are so many factors that go into using - a PM to you won't tell the kid about possible side effects from conditions he doesn't tell you. But his doc WILL have that info.
I stand by it - any kid who takes medical advice from a stranger about drug use is not smart.
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Yes, he's dangerous in his posts.
fucking finally somebody who said it like it is.. g15 should be banned for answer Gear questions (or as he calls them pm questions answered) in the Gen Board...he should be contained to the Steroid board only.
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I would not agree 100 % with gh15 if he wouldn't be spot on on absolutely everything from eating to hormones to training and everything in between. I have trained and competed , have been at it for 15 years , was trained by one of the best out there and he matches what I've seen , experienced and heard 100 % . The ones who don't read or comprehend what he sais are weekend warriors or delusional bodybuilders. Keep the info coming gh15...there are some sane people out there u know. ;)
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1. Exactly my point Chick, people are doing longer cardio, but conditioning is worse than it was 15-20 years ago and you know the reason why.
2. Yes, I learned not to do gear that will make my conditioning worse, but don't get me wrong, I'm doing 45min-1 hour of cardio per day.
WOW, that's wrong. In 1987 guys were ripped and muscular. In 2007, guys come in with insane striations everywhere, shredded to the bone. YES, they also have guts, but even those guts are ripped. Perhaps what you mean is today guys have worse physiques, worse shape and less muscle fullness. I'll agree with that, but their conditioning is not worse.
20 years ago (approx.) the Mr. Olympia looked like this:
(http://www.darkwoods.com/bodybuilder/male/bb/gallery/fullsize/haney08.jpg)
YES, he looks a million times better than Jay Cutler. But he's NOT better conditioned (i.e. more ripped).
(http://contests.ironmanmagazine.com/~photos/730/Men/0D9F7546.jpg)
For example, looks at their legs. Compared to Jay, Lee looks like he's holding water in his quads. And look at their obliques. As much as Haney's are smaller, they're slightly smoother/softer looking than Jay's. Jay looks drier.
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In those 29 years how many of those have you been pro. Just want to see the ratio. You do realize if you knew as much as you think you know it wouldn't have taken you what 20 years to be a pro or whatever. I know you'll come back with a half-wit response, but in reality this is true. Sure it takes time to be a pro but exactly how long did it take YOU. And how many others took this long. Just wondering cause you are my hero.
here we go ;D
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Didn't alot of the old-timers not do any cardio at all? I don't really see why it is necessary; you can always just lower your calories. If for instance you walk on a treadmill for 1 hour and burn 500 calories, I don't see how the result would be any different than if you just ate 500 cals less during the day.
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Didn't alot of the old-timers not do any cardio at all? I don't really see why it is necessary; you can always just lower your calories. If for instance you walk on a treadmill for 1 hour and burn 500 calories, I don't see how the result would be any different than if you just ate 500 cals less during the day.
cardio = higher metabolism.
Stop PMing me, Bluto. Please. Not interested. I'll report you.
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WOW, that's wrong. In 1987 guys were ripped and muscular. In 2007, guys come in with insane striations everywhere, shredded to the bone. YES, they also have guts, but even those guts are ripped. Perhaps what you mean is today guys have worse physiques, worse shape and less muscle fullness. I'll agree with that, but their conditioning is not worse.
20 years ago (approx.) the Mr. Olympia looked like this:
(http://www.darkwoods.com/bodybuilder/male/bb/gallery/fullsize/haney08.jpg)
YES, he looks a million times better than Jay Cutler. But he's NOT better conditioned (i.e. more ripped).
(http://contests.ironmanmagazine.com/~photos/730/Men/0D9F7546.jpg)
For example, looks at their legs. Compared to Jay, Lee looks like he's holding water in his quads. And look at their obliques. As much as Haney's are smaller, they're slightly smoother/softer looking than Jay's. Jay looks drier.
Now turn them around and you'll see that Jay is as smooth as a babies ass!
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cardio = higher metabolism.
I doubt it makes a significant difference over the long run. Besides, lifting would have a greater impact on metabolism.
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Now turn them around and you'll see that Jay is as smooth as a babies ass!
get on stage next to jay and show him how it's done "big guy". ::)
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Now turn them around and you'll see that Jay is as smooth as a babies ass!
Yeah, he really sucks here ::)
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get on stage next to jay and show him how it's done "big guy". ::)
are you saying that he's not allowed to have an opinion based on the face that he doesn't look like a fridge?
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The problem is, everything has to evolve. Every "sport" evolves; music, movies, etc. Bodybuilding evolved into different ideals from Reeves into Arnold, from Arnold into Zane, from Zane to Haney, Haney to Dorian, Dorian to ronnie, and now Ronnie to Jay. If it doesn't evolve, and take new forms, it would get boring and repititive. IT has evolved this way and I'm quite sure it will find it's way back.
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Yeah, he really sucks here ::)
Good response.
Coach, you're making stuff up here.
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The pics only verify what I'm saying....
The standards of conditionoing have changed a great deal.....If Haney wasn't wearing large trunks to cover his ass, it would have been a much different looking picture....no one was looking for striated glutes in the 80's
Haney was 5'11 and about 240-45 in contest shape....Cutler is 5'10 and 280 in contest shape with better conditioning.....THERE'S your difference between yesterday and today.
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The pics only verify what I'm saying....
The standards of conditionoing have changed a great deal.....If Haney wasn't wearing large trunks to cover his ass, it would have been a much different looking picture....no one was looking for striated glutes in the 80's
Haney was 5'11 and about 240-45 in contest shape....Cutler is 5'10 and 280 in contest shape with better conditioning.....THERE'S your difference between yesterday and today.
I still say bodybuilding has no choice but to continually evolve, to keep one-upping the next guy. If it ceases to evolve, it would be pointless. It will always be shifting.
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The pics only verify what I'm saying....
The standards of conditionoing have changed a great deal.....If Haney wasn't wearing large trunks to cover his ass, it would have been a much different looking picture....no one was looking for striated glutes in the 80's
Haney was 5'11 and about 240-45 in contest shape....Cutler is 5'10 and 280 in contest shape with better conditioning.....THERE'S your difference between yesterday and today.
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(http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e196/Intenseone/Ray.jpg)
Now, someone find some front shots of Shawn then tell me how much better the conditioning is now??
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....no one was looking for striated glutes in the 80's
Gaspari was,and he found them.
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Na, not a meltdown at all, just a reality check.
you are right on... back i nthe day guys thought nothing of working out for 4-6 hours at a time.... chemical enhancement has really changed things
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(http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e196/Intenseone/Ray.jpg)
Now, someone find some front shots of Shawn then tell me how much better the conditioning is now??
The conditioning from the early to late 1990s is GONE period , not many guys come in shape to contests in these days hell look at King Coleman he was much sharper lighter its a trade off you get guys less conditioned but heavier , what wins contests theses days size , conditioning , shape then balance and posing dead last .
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I will agree 100 percent with CHIC meaning that there is an obvious difference in size ...HOWEVER....there's a decline in QUALITY so I have to also agree 100 % with COACH.
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.no one was looking for striated glutes in the 80's
Now you have striated glutes and smoother backs :-\
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I will agree 100 percent with CHIC meaning that there is an obvious difference in size ...HOWEVER....there's a decline in QUALITY so I have to also agree 100 % with COACH.
It's alot easier to get big now then it was to attain the conditioning back then.
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Chic will blindly defend the status quo no matter what, its his job. ::)
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It's alot easier to get big now then it was to attain the conditioning back then.
Here`s a couple from the old days.
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It's alot easier to get big now then it was to attain the conditioning back then.
you know somewhere in the past 25 years the purpose of all this was lost....that's why classic card look so much better than escalades on 25's ;)
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The pics only verify what I'm saying....
The standards of conditionoing have changed a great deal.....If Haney wasn't wearing large trunks to cover his ass, it would have been a much different looking picture....no one was looking for striated glutes in the 80's
Haney was 5'11 and about 240-45 in contest shape....Cutler is 5'10 and 280 in contest shape with better conditioning.....THERE'S your difference between yesterday and today.
Yes, I know. That's why I posted them. ;)
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you are right on... back i nthe day guys thought nothing of working out for 4-6 hours at a time.... chemical enhancement has really changed things
not true
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not true
Maybe not 4-6 hours but close. Lets just say 3-4 was pretty much the norm at least on Saturdays (leg days).
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Here`s a couple from the old days.
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Crownshep, I respect the hell out of you, but the title of that youtube was a little disturbing...LOL!
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Maybe not 4-6 hours but close. Lets just say 3-4 was pretty much the norm at least on Saturdays (leg days).
Sorry, I meant: not true that today guys don't do 4-6 hours in the gym each day. Hide does. Benice does. Steve does. I don't cuz I'm a beginner...and have a normal job so can't afford to be away that long :)
Unfortunately someone is going to say: "Hide and those guys are all drugs to be able to spend that much time in the gym". Which, ironically, is basically accusing the old schoolers of being "all drugs" as well (since, apparently, they were in the gym 4-6 hours/day).
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Chic will blindly defend the status quo no matter what, its his job. ::)
Yeah...that makes a lot of sense being that I've stated that I thought the physiques of yesterday were better.....STFU.
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I've said it before. The reason for BBing's declining popularity is that the FANS don't want to look like the pros.
If a poll was taken among Getbiggers with the question being: Which physique would you rather have? Cutler's or Mentzer's? IMO, Mike would win by a landslide.
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I've said it before. The reason for BBing's declining popularity is that the FANS don't want to look like the pros.
If a poll was taken among Getbiggers with the question being: Which physique would you rather have? Cutler's or Mentzer's? IMO, Mike would win by a landslide.
Bodybuildings popularity hasnt declined...it was never that high to begin with. The numbers at the amatuer level are higher than at any other time in history, and the prize money, sponsors are also at the highest at the pro level....the biggest problem is that for the potential of making money/ a career out of being a pro BB, it's pretty tough to convince a young kid that with 10-15 years of hard work...he could get there.
People are into the drive -thru version of everything these days...few people are willing to sacrifice the time dedication and money neccessary to achieve something for pride, or personal satisfaction....
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Bodybuildings popularity hasnt declined...
Do we have to go through this again?
You and I are the same age. I'm sure you remember the Night of Champions being held at the Beacon Theatre, capacity 4K.
Why would that contest, now called the NY Pro, be held at the Tribeca Center, capacity 1k, if the promoters could sell 3K more tickets by booking the Beacon?
If you want to argue that more people than ever lift weights for health and fitness, I'm with you, but, there's simply no denying that pro-bodybuilding's popularity has declined.
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and the Olympia has sold thousands more now, than at that same time period.....
We dont really know how many tickets at the old NOC were sold, and how many were comped....believe me...If Weinberger thought for 1 minute that 3-4K tickets could be sold...he would have kept it there...
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Why don't we look at the female side of things?
You'd have to be certifiable to think that Iris Kyle is more popular, now, than Cory Everson was in her day.
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The female side of things/ decline has been well documented and explained....
The more masculine the female BB has become, the less interested fans/ companies/ magazines......
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If a poll was taken among Getbiggers with the question being: Which physique would you rather have? Cutler's or Mentzer's? IMO, Mike would win by a landslide.
I would love to have Mentzer's physique maybe even smaller for everyday (actually a fair bit smaller for everyday)/
Chick wat would u rather have Mentzer or Cutler physique if u had choice?
Mentzer was ahead of his time, if he continued to compete instead of retiring would have won an Olympia and looked friggin humungous.
In regards to popularity, i think the sport is bigger because of the supplement industry and also the emphasis on 'looks' in our pathetic society (im talking bout people going to gym for looking good at bars and not love of this sport)...these clowns indirectly come across Bodybuilding, its stars, etc.
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If my toilet was a person then im going to jail for 1st degree murder...
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Absolutely...unfortunately, it's the nature of the beast. All sports get bigger, faster, stronger...
It's a combination of the judging rewarding such extremes, and the athletes trying to achieve an extreme look thats being rewarded....
that is actually the problem with bodybuilding...we are chasing an ideal that can never be truly fulfilled cos we either wanna be 'even' more ripped or 'even' bigger.
So when taken to an extreme level like the pro's....ofcourse everyone will do watever it takes, otherwise whats the point.
and if the judging didnt reward those doing well, well then that would be even worse.
what a normal person thinks is big (some skinny dude thats 'kinda' lean) and what bodybuilders think is big (which can never be satisfied) are two different things and two different mentalities.
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That's the paradox....the fans want to see freaks for the most part, the ideals of symmetry and proportion and poise is nostalgic and all, but the fans arent willing to support it, either....
yes, i remember at the aussie show in like 2004, seeing Markus Ruhl for the first time and i was just focused on him cos he was a FREAK. the biggest I had scene at a show...I would have given the win to him...when i saw the pictures he didnt look as impressive, but on stage it just blows u away that monster size.
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also about the cardio thing,,i dont even look at a cardio machine untill i wanna be 3-4% ,,ANYONE CAN GET TO 6% WITH OUT DOING CARDIO,,ANY ONE THAT HAS A PENIS BETWEEN HIS LEGS
thanks you very much and good morning :)
what about a natural with slow metabolism?
also, will u ever reveal who u are?
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Didn't alot of the old-timers not do any cardio at all? I don't really see why it is necessary; you can always just lower your calories. If for instance you walk on a treadmill for 1 hour and burn 500 calories, I don't see how the result would be any different than if you just ate 500 cals less during the day.
Cardio will promote conversion of T4 (fairly inactive thyroid hormone) to T3 (active) which will aid fat loss. Reduced calories are necessary of course, but the benefit of the cardio isn't so much the caloric cost of the excercise, it's the improved hormonal profile which will burn fat all day long given the right diet.
I don't have any "principals" or anything, but that's my understanding. This being Getbig, I'm sure someone will correct me if I'm wrong. ;)
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then and now...gotta love the guts now ::)
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;D
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(http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e196/Intenseone/so5.jpg)
(http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e196/Intenseone/Zane.jpg)
(http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e196/Intenseone/Branch.jpg)
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coach
what would your guestimate of ronnies waist in the above picture? 34"? 36"? and what is chest measure...
i think he's like 5'10"
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coach
what would your guestimate of ronnies waist in the above picture? 34"? 36"? and what is chest measure...
i think he's like 5'10"
At 5'10 and say 280-290......38 maybe 40
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At 5'10 and say 280-290......38 maybe 40
thanks, best wishes on your show
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thanks, best wishes on your show
Thank you!
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coach
what would your guestimate of ronnies waist in the above picture? 34"? 36"? and what is chest measure...
i think he's like 5'10"
Remember that Arnold had a waist of 34''.
So my guess is that Ronnie's waist's around 40-42 inches.
Cutler's waist is probably in that neighborhood as well.
Melvin Anthony claimed a legit 27'' waist a few years back. I doubt he's got that today. If his waist is under 30 inches in contest shape I would be surprised.
And sucking in the gut doesn't count.
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it's gotta be 40-42 at that height and weight for both of them and no suckin it. then dennis's must be 46-48
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That's the paradox....the fans want to see freaks for the most part, the ideals of symmetry and proportion and poise is nostalgic and all, but the fans arent willing to support it, either....
Yes we are there just aren't as many good smaller dudes as there used to be.
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If my toilet was a person then im going to jail for 1st degree murder...
;D Freak.
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Here wego again....
"all the gear in the world doesn't make a pitbull out of a chihuahua"
It will certainly make a JUICED chihuahua......
try it and you'll see
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I came to the realization of walking into several gyms where pro's train (including mine) and watching how things changed over the years. And yes Bob, after 30 years I know exactly what I'm talking about and how training and gear has changed the industry.
I'd reply to your responses, but I don't have time to be clicking back and forth because you can't seperate my quote from your posts!!
Forgive me if this is a stupid question, but i've been outta loop of things in here for awhile.......Are you, THE COACH, Joe McNeil ? Of Flex Wheeler's and Dexter Jackson's trainer fame?
Just checking.....