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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: naturalforce on September 11, 2007, 01:39:08 AM
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280 lbs :o :o
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The waist!!!!!!! :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o
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fricken beast :o
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bad genetics for arms.
can tell that by this picture.
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=167709.0;attach=194562;image)
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Looking healthy :-X
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bad genetics for arms.
can tell that by this picture.
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=167709.0;attach=194562;image)
his arms are great...
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looking good, is he a milos client?
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Top 6 or 10 at M.O !!!
(pics taken in Milos's Koloseum gym Monday - 09/10/2007 )
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(http://www.fitnesspont.hu/mass-shop/picture_gallery/Dennis_Wolf/Dennis_Wolf_007.jpg)
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This guy amazes me everytime I see him. It's crazy. If he could get a tan he'd look 500045356 times better there too.
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Phenomenal. His vascularity is nuts
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mattt worst nightmare is happening!
a whiter then paste mr"o" till at least 2015
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Beast. Absolute beast. The future of bodybuilding right here.
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(http://www.fitnesspont.hu/mass-shop/picture_gallery/Dennis_Wolf/Dennis_Wolf_007.jpg)
that's a pretty impressive pic....
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wonder how many chicks have hung from those delts while getting banged by Dennis.
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He will continue to get screwed each contest he enters. The fact that Tamali places higher is a crime.
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are his biceps that different or is it just the angle of the shot?
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Sucks to have such high lats.. It made him as he didn't train his lower back at all
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why is he so pink?? too much shrimp?
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Oh shit!
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Awesome physique, but also the pastiest man alive!
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That's Jeff McFarland. He changed it up with 2g of protein per pound of lean body mass
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Needs more outer sweep in his triceps when he does a mm shot. Looking awsome though. Problem is that his arms and shoulders are so big combined with hi lats make his lats look smaller. Genetics. Great waist. Amazing bodybuiler but IMO will never be Mr O, always be top five kinda like Dennis James placings.
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When was the last time you saw a pro BB do a most-muscular pose and his obliques didn't push out over his waist band?! :o :o And he's NOT a small man AND it's still 3 weeks out from a contest!!
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=167709.0;attach=194562;image)
Even without calves, this man is one of the best things to happen to pro BB in a while.
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Dennis Wolf is a beast, what bodybuilding is supposed to be about.
That waist is insane and the delts are unreal.
He will be Mr.Olympia in 2009.
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(http://www.fitnesspont.hu/mass-shop/picture_gallery/Dennis_Wolf/Dennis_Wolf_007.jpg)
Losing his separations- They never learn - Dennis is going to end up like Branch -
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Losing his separations- They never learn - Dennis is going to end up like Branch -
You're judging his separation progress by a grainy 3-weeks-out photo?
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BEAST!
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the future of bodybuilding.
i will officially support him the most of all the competitors out there now.
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Incredible shoulder to waist ratio. If he ever becomes Mr. Olympia, I might actually start to give a shit about pro bodybuilding again.
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That's Mr.Olympia 2008 right there. With that waistline he can still pack a shitload of mass and still be symmetric.
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PLEASE GET A TAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
would improve soooo much
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I'll be the Jackass here... dude ain't got no back. Since 1982, no Mr Olympia has had a weak back.
Top 10 will be a victory.
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Somebody said earlier that he is the best thing that happen
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=167709.0;attach=194562;image)
Even without calves, this man is one of the best things to happen to pro BB in a while.
Excellent post! The guy sets a new standard for BB, or if he doesn't at least he brings back the essence of it. D
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The scarey thing is he keeps showing improvement, no wonder Cutler only wants two more O's :o
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here`s another pic taken the same day "Double Bi"
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He isn't lean enough. Top 8 if he is lucky.
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maybe you should teach him how it's done >:( :D
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bad genetics for arms.
Lot better than Kamali! ;D
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why is he so pink?? too much shrimp?
I believe he is the offspring of Soda Popinski.
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His hamstrings are starting to look like tom prince from the side...
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this is right here your 2007 mr olympia,,you simply cant ignore the waist,,he is bigger than jason and bigger than ron,,his muscles have less hormones in them,,and he is big where it counts!
yes his legs are not as thick as jason and his arms are not as detailed and freaky as ron,,but his waist is a good 5 inch smaller with illusion of being 10 inch smaller carrying lots and lots of symetric muscle mass on the frame
it comes to this:
jason look like a bull
ron looks like a gorilla
wolf look like a race horse at its prime
you just cant ignore it,,even bloat he looks better than jason and ron
this should be the 2007 champ if he comes 100% on the day of show
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his Pink levels are unbeatable. his Pinkness outdoes even cutler's Orangeness
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this is right here your 2007 mr olympia,,you simply cant ignore the waist,,he is bigger than jason and bigger than ron,,his muscles have less hormones in them,,and he is big where it counts!
yes his legs are not as thick as jason and his arms are not as detailed and freaky as ron,,but his waist is a good 5 inch smaller with illusion of being 10 inch smaller carrying lots and lots of symetric muscle mass on the frame
it comes to this:
jason look like a bull
ron looks like a gorilla
wolf look like a race horse at its prime
you just cant ignore it,,even bloat he looks better than jason and ron
this should be the 2007 champ if he comes 100% on the day of show
Agreed ! This guy looks plain sick ! WOW ! What kinda shit is this guy on ? DAMN !
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here`s another pic taken the same day "Double Bi"
No way they can keep him out of the Top 10. I say Top 6 or maybe better.
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anyone seen his arms? ;D
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He needs biceps peaks and a few inches on his calves. Then this guy is UNSTOPPABLE!!
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We should start a petition to make this guy win. Seriously NO ONE COMES CLOSE!
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We should start a petition to make this guy win. Seriously NO ONE COMES CLOSE!
Why ? Doesn't his physique speak for itself ?
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great physique...
his biceps are a weak point though....
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otherwise fro that.. one of fav newies
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His arms are not weak, morons. They're huge! Just lack awesome shape like Ronnie's and some other bb'ers.
Paul Allen, it's the angle of the photo.
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His arms are not weak, morons. They're huge! Just lack awesome shape like Ronnie's and some other bb'ers.
Paul Allen, it's the angle of the photo.
camel, you mis-understood Mesomorphy's point
he didn't call wolfe's arms weak, he said they were a weak point..big difference
basically other body parts standout more than his arms..his arms are not his strongest asset but they are far from weak..
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his tris are ok...
his biceps lack "peak" and shape
big arms just need a lil more shape..
i think the bi's are a genetic thing tho..
ala.. kevin levrone
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the first albino bber..... he looks good... but desperately needs some color
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camel, you mis-understood Mesomorphy's point
he didn't call wolfe's arms weak, he said they were a weak point..big difference
basically other body parts standout more than his arms..his arms are not his strongest asset but they are far from weak..
I was also adressing other members who were making comments in regards to his arms, not just meso.
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mattt worst nightmare is happening!
a whiter then paste mr"o" till at least 2015
lol i would rather have Wolfe beat Ronnie now then Jay. I don't care if the Mr O is white or black or whatever. All i care about is that the right bber take the title, one that shows great muscularity, vascularity, and symmetry all of which Wolfe has. IMO Wolfe has a way better physique then Jay. I would be 100 percent content with Wolfe bing a future Mr O.
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lol i would rather have Wolfe beat Ronnie now then Jay. I don't care if the Mr O is white or black or whatever. All i care about is that the right bber take the title, one that shows great muscularity, vascularity, and symmetry all of which Wolfe has. IMO Wolfe has a way better physique then Jay. I would be 100 percent content with Wolfe bing a future Mr O.
It is settled then.. Wolfe should be Mr. Olympia.
It should be between Victor and Dennis.. Jay should get third.
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I think I exaggerated, Jay has him on arms, back and legs. You cant ignore that.
Wolf has him on delts, and arms you can debate. Plus his waist is 4 inches less than Jay's, which adds to the pleasing look of the physique.
Wolf's legs aren't bad, but the calves need improvement.
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Who gives a rat's ass about Paul Dillet?
It's Wolf we're discussing.. And whether he can someday become Mr. O.
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Dennis Wolf is only 28. He's going to be the youngest guy in the Olympia this year.
He will make the improvements he needs to.
He will be Mr. Olympia in 2009, whether the fridge is still around or not.
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Dennis is Gunther improved 100x.
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The one thing about Wolf is he seems to lose it the day of the show. He looks HUGE and FULL in the pics in this thread. I have seen it before with his previous shows. When he got on the stage he looked considerably smaller. I assume it has something to do with intramuscular fluid retention, but I am not sure.
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Dennis Wolf is the man. Looks great like a BB should.
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Dennis is Gunther improved 100x.
Could you elaborate on that please ? Because, quite frankly, they look NOTHING alike ... NOTHING ! The only thing that they have in common is they both happen to be German.
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wolfe looks good, but there have been people much better than him who never made it as a mr. olympia winner.
Paul Dillet is a good example. I think he should have won at least once...
What does wolfe have that is better than Paul Dillet??? In comparison Dillet is in a whole different league than wolfe...even though wolfe looks good, he doesnt have the same genetics as dillet. dillet had big calves, and lower lat insertion points. not to mentions dillets arms were much much better than wolfe's...
(http://i161.photobucket.com/albums/t224/SimplyHuge/pd-dorian.jpg)
(http://i161.photobucket.com/albums/t224/SimplyHuge/pd1231232.jpg)
(http://i161.photobucket.com/albums/t224/SimplyHuge/pd4.jpg)
(http://i161.photobucket.com/albums/t224/SimplyHuge/indexdfg.jpg)
(http://i161.photobucket.com/albums/t224/SimplyHuge/bb39c4b627fbee8df5085f3de39aa96c.jpg)
(http://i161.photobucket.com/albums/t224/SimplyHuge/6a37a87d1702e7bf7bf6e6f3b2055a48.jpg)
(http://i161.photobucket.com/albums/t224/SimplyHuge/8f92130646638601b143d7181385ec7e.jpg)
U FORGOT THE ALL IMPORTANT PIC WHERE THEY BOTH TURN AROUND... ;)
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Beast. Absolute beast. The future of bodybuilding right here.
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thats stretching it a bit the future is mor elike phil heath if can put on another 20
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YEP...HE HAD A SUPER WEAK BACK.
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dillet has the best genetics of all time, 1 of his calves is bigger the both of ronnies!
people say ronnies a freak, hes a trerp compared to dillet!
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wolfe looks good, but there have been people much better than him who never made it as a mr. olympia winner.
Paul Dillet is a good example. I think he should have won at least once...
What does wolfe have that is better than Paul Dillet??? In comparison Dillet is in a whole different league than wolfe...even though wolfe looks good, he doesnt have the same genetics as dillet. dillet had big calves, and lower lat insertion points. not to mentions dillets arms were much much better than wolfe's...
(http://i161.photobucket.com/albums/t224/SimplyHuge/pd-dorian.jpg)
(http://i161.photobucket.com/albums/t224/SimplyHuge/pd1231232.jpg)
(http://i161.photobucket.com/albums/t224/SimplyHuge/pd4.jpg)
(http://i161.photobucket.com/albums/t224/SimplyHuge/indexdfg.jpg)
(http://i161.photobucket.com/albums/t224/SimplyHuge/bb39c4b627fbee8df5085f3de39aa96c.jpg)
(http://i161.photobucket.com/albums/t224/SimplyHuge/6a37a87d1702e7bf7bf6e6f3b2055a48.jpg)
(http://i161.photobucket.com/albums/t224/SimplyHuge/8f92130646638601b143d7181385ec7e.jpg)
no no no wrong
you cant compare first class bodybuilder such as wolf to a blown up doll such as dillet,,this is a big no no in bodybuilding especially if you got a clue about hormones and their use,,
dillet was a blow up muscle mass,,yes he was symetric among the big boys but his muscle was not mature,,was not developed enough,,and the only thing that worked for him was his phenominal respond to hormone use,,his muscles were never dialed in like top bodybuilder with years upon years in the sport should be even post retirment,,notice even kevin physiqe is phenominal though smaller post retirment,,dillet was just a blow up doll with blessed genetics when it comes to hormone use,,he just blew up right on hormones and never had many years of sweat in the gym,,those guys are dime a dozen and all over the place some better than others like dillet in this case
wolf on the other hand got everything a champ should have inorder to begin thinking about the title,,he has the symetry and the size ,,he already have muscle maturity that is enough for the title,,he is built strong and is strong,,his look is a combination of hard work in the gym and phenominal respond to hormone use in addition to knowing how to use those products for his particular body type,,
wolf as of now is a combination of the iron age arnold with freaky beasts such as dorian,,he will never match ron coleman freakiness but no one will,,but his symetry and size combo will be the best ever seen in bodybuilding in couple years
wolf is couple levels better than dillet at its best,,he will win the o this year or next if comes 100%
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Dennis Wolf is a beast, what bodybuilding is supposed to be about.
That waist is insane and the delts are unreal.
He will be Mr.Olympia in 2009.
No. Frank Zane is what bodybuilding supposed to be about.
(http://www.ifbb.com/halloffame/1999/FrankZane2.jpg)
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no no no wrong
you cant compare first class bodybuilder such as wolf to a blown up doll such as dillet,,this is a big no no in bodybuilding especially if you got a clue about hormones and their use,,
dillet was a blow up muscle mass,,yes he was symetric among the big boys but his muscle was not mature,,was not developed enough,,and the only thing that worked for him was his phenominal respond to hormone use,,his muscles were never dialed in like top bodybuilder with years upon years in the sport should be even post retirment,,notice even kevin physiqe is phenominal though smaller post retirment,,dillet was just a blow up doll with blessed genetics when it comes to hormone use,,he just blew up right on hormones and never had many years of sweat in the gym,,those guys are dime a dozen and all over the place some better than others like dillet in this case
wolf on the other hand got everything a champ should have inorder to begin thinking about the title,,he has the symetry and the size ,,he already have muscle maturity that is enough for the title,,he is built strong and is strong,,his look is a combination of hard work in the gym and phenominal respond to hormone use in addition to knowing how to use those products for his particular body type,,
wolf as of now is a combination of the iron age arnold with freaky beasts such as dorian,,he will never match ron coleman freakiness but no one will,,but his symetry and size combo will be the best ever seen in bodybuilding in couple years
wolf is couple levels better than dillet at its best,,he will win the o this year or next if comes 100%
I know u cannot be serious..
wolfe is cool.. but nowhere neare dillet...
not on the same planet...
lets not get carried away now
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lets not get carried away now
....like Dillet did after cramping up at the AC :D
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....like Dillet did after cramping up at the AC :D
lol, lets hope that doesn't happen to Wolf. I'm tipping Wolf to be in about 8th. He should be top 6, but he's got plenty of time.
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I agree.. theres too many 'names' (note names, not physiques ;)) that will place ahead of Dennis. I reckon possibly top 6, but more likely 7-8
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I think Dennis has a fantastic physique, but, there are many structural flaws that should hold him back from ever becoming mr. o.
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I think Dennis has a fantastic physique, but, there are many structural flaws that should hold him back from ever becoming mr. o.
He's only training for about 9 years, that's nothing. Coleman trains for almost 30 years. There's so much more place for improvement on Wolf's physique, I'd say the next 3 to 4 years will show if he's moving in the right direction and will ever be Mr. O or not....
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He's only training for about 9 years, that's nothing. Coleman trains for almost 30 years. There's so much more place for improvement on Wolf's physique, I'd say the next 3 to 4 years will show if he's moving in the right direction and will ever be Mr. O or not....
word 8)
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I agree with hedge on this one....frank zane is an ideal to aspire to
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The problem with Zane is that there were a few guys at the time who were better and more deserving, except for the added factor of contest politics. Padilla & Nubret for example, were not only better structurally but had a lot more muscle, both significant factors. Nubret didn't compete in the Olympia after '75 in large part due to politics. He would've beaten Zane if in shape, IMO.
Since winning is everything, whoever wins the Olympia receives greater credence than those who don't, no matter the backstories. Zane & Columbu are some of the best examples of guys who were good but not the best in the world the years they won, but they were given wins in the IFBB for a variety of reasons including intangibles we'll never know about, and thus receive more accolades than those who didn't.
Same thing applied to Wheeler and Dillet, though i agree that the biggest factor with Dillet was as gh15 says muscle maturity along with posing, back & not having the look of an Olympia winner (my opinion). It wasn't just one thing like some claim, because any one of those other than muscle maturity wouldn't have been enough to stop him from winning. The weak back argument for example, ignores the fact that all the other guys had at least the same number of flaws and the fact that Dillet's back was better than advertised, except for the lack of detail.
Wolf being white, good looking, articulate & with a good more classic physique satisfies virtually any Weider criteria for winning as he improves.
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The problem with Zane is that there were a few guys at the time who were better and more deserving, except for the added factor of contest politics. Padilla & Nubret for example, were not only better structurally but had a lot more muscle, both significant factors. Nubret didn't compete in the Olympia after '75 in large part due to politics. He would've beaten Zane if in shape, IMO.
Since winning is everything, whoever wins the Olympia receives greater credence than those who don't, no matter the backstories. Zane & Columbu are some of the best examples of guys who were good but not the best in the world the years they won, but they were given wins in the IFBB for a variety of reasons including intangibles we'll never know about, and thus receive more accolades than those who didn't.
Same thing applied to Wheeler and Dillet, though i agree that the biggest factor with Dillet was as gh15 says muscle maturity along with posing and back; it wasn't just one thing like some claim.
Wolf being white, good looking and having a good more classic physique should help him climb the ladder.
Wouldda , couldda , shouldda . Frank Zane 3x Mr O ;)
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Wouldda , couldda , shouldda . Frank Zane 3x Mr O ;)
Which only confirms that kids like savastase didn't follow BB back then and don't have any understanding of nuance or behind the scenes. It's not nearly as black & white as followers like this like to believe.
Weider & the IFBB always had a strong commercial agenda, selling mags and supplements to guys like this who ate it up without question. ;D
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Which only confirms that kids like savastase didn't follow BB back then and don't have any understanding of nuance or behind the scenes. It's not nearly as black & white as followers like this like to believe.
Weider & the IFBB always had a strong commercial agenda, selling mags and supplements to guys like this who ate it up without question. ;D
I'm 31 ad 'been following bb since '84 thanks to my father...and I grew up with 3 posters on the wall...Zane , Nubret and Arnold
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I'm 31 ad 'been following bb since '84 thanks to my father...and I grew up with 3 posters on the wall...Zane , Nubret and Arnold
In other words, i was right. That and your silly 100 mg/day of dbol confirms you have no credibility.
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In other words, i was right. That and your silly 100 mg/day of dbol confirms you have no credibility.
what ever u say pumper :-*
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no no no wrong
you cant compare first class bodybuilder such as wolf to a blown up doll such as dillet,,this is a big no no in bodybuilding especially if you got a clue about hormones and their use,,
dillet was a blow up muscle mass,,yes he was symetric among the big boys but his muscle was not mature,,was not developed enough,,and the only thing that worked for him was his phenominal respond to hormone use,,his muscles were never dialed in like top bodybuilder with years upon years in the sport should be even post retirment,,notice even kevin physiqe is phenominal though smaller post retirment,,dillet was just a blow up doll with blessed genetics when it comes to hormone use,,he just blew up right on hormones and never had many years of sweat in the gym,,those guys are dime a dozen and all over the place some better than others like dillet in this case
wolf on the other hand got everything a champ should have inorder to begin thinking about the title,,he has the symetry and the size ,,he already have muscle maturity that is enough for the title,,he is built strong and is strong,,his look is a combination of hard work in the gym and phenominal respond to hormone use in addition to knowing how to use those products for his particular body type,,
wolf as of now is a combination of the iron age arnold with freaky beasts such as dorian,,he will never match ron coleman freakiness but no one will,,but his symetry and size combo will be the best ever seen in bodybuilding in couple years
wolf is couple levels better than dillet at its best,,he will win the o this year or next if comes 100%
Dillet destroyed Wolfe. Dillet was huge and shredded. muscle maturity? ???
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nah wolf is right now top bodybuilder you will find,,every one who stands next to him feel small,,everyone who sees him is in awe,,he has quality that dillet could never bring,,he unlike dillet wont lose everything post bodybuilding since its power you talking about here,,eastern europians dont lose no foundation because guess what..they have that foundation nailed in like the abc they teach you at age 3,,
only 2 who can take the o from wolf this year are ron and jason and its ONLY due to thickness,,wolf is arnold all over again only improved because he is bringing the condition of dorian into the picture,,
its a matter of this year or next one considering health is ok and come 100% on,,wolf will be mr o
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Wolf cannot win Mr.O because he is not American...those are the breaks, that said I like him a lot, has to bring up the calves though...
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His back and his biceps brachialis lack separation. his back is bit high inserted. Back holds water, calves not big enough for the rest of him. Plenty flaws, gh.
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nah wolf is right now top bodybuilder you will find,,every one who stands next to him feel small,,everyone who sees him is in awe,,he has quality that dillet could never bring,,he unlike dillet wont lose everything post bodybuilding since its power you talking about here,,eastern europians dont lose no foundation because guess what..they have that foundation nailed in like the abc they teach you at age 3,,
only 2 who can take the o from wolf this year are ron and jason and its ONLY due to thickness,,wolf is arnold all over again only improved because he is bringing the condition of dorian into the picture,,
its a matter of this year or next one considering health is ok and come 100% on,,wolf will be mr o
LOL Wolf hasn't by far yet the package to be Mr. O. His arms are weak from the front, the weakest calves ever on a pro stage and not enough overall thickness and quality. Maybe in 3-5 years (of hard training with heavy basic hardcore exercises) he can think about a top place at the O, but not earlier. He doesn't stand the slightest chance against guys like Dexter, Tony, Phil or Victor.
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I think one day he will be a great mr. olympia contestant, but I dont think he deserves to win. He has structural flaws, and let me repeat myself, structural flaws, that hold him back. There are certain things that he was given and will never be able to fix no matter how much more mature his muscles appear or how much muscle he gains...
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dont understand why gh15 is praising wolf so much. I mean he has a great physiqe nice taper etc. but he's not top 5 of the pros.
imo is Wolf is a white mans Dexter Jackson. With the exeption that he doesn't have the good arms that Dexter has..
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dont understand why gh15 is praising wolf so much.
Because gh15 IS Wolf. ::)
imo is Wolf is a white mans Dexter Jackson. With the exeption that he doesn't have the good arms that Dexter has..
Dex is lightyears ahead of Wolf. Wait till you see them in callouts in 3 weeks. ;) ;D
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nah wolf is right now top bodybuilder you will find,,every one who stands next to him feel small,,everyone who sees him is in awe,,he has quality that dillet could never bring,,he unlike dillet wont lose everything post bodybuilding since its power you talking about here,,eastern europians dont lose no foundation because guess what..they have that foundation nailed in like the abc they teach you at age 3,,
only 2 who can take the o from wolf this year are ron and jason and its ONLY due to thickness,,wolf is arnold all over again only improved because he is bringing the condition of dorian into the picture,,
its a matter of this year or next one considering health is ok and come 100% on,,wolf will be mr o
gh15, do you believe that when Dennis Wolf will be Mr O, bodybuilding will change in a better way?
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no no no wrong
you cant compare first class bodybuilder such as wolf to a blown up doll such as dillet,,this is a big no no in bodybuilding especially if you got a clue about hormones and their use,,
dillet was a blow up muscle mass,,yes he was symetric among the big boys but his muscle was not mature,,was not developed enough,,and the only thing that worked for him was his phenominal respond to hormone use,,his muscles were never dialed in like top bodybuilder with years upon years in the sport should be even post retirment,,notice even kevin physiqe is phenominal though smaller post retirment,,dillet was just a blow up doll with blessed genetics when it comes to hormone use,,he just blew up right on hormones and never had many years of sweat in the gym,,those guys are dime a dozen and all over the place some better than others like dillet in this case
wolf on the other hand got everything a champ should have inorder to begin thinking about the title,,he has the symetry and the size ,,he already have muscle maturity that is enough for the title,,he is built strong and is strong,,his look is a combination of hard work in the gym and phenominal respond to hormone use in addition to knowing how to use those products for his particular body type,,
wolf as of now is a combination of the iron age arnold with freaky beasts such as dorian,,he will never match ron coleman freakiness but no one will,,but his symetry and size combo will be the best ever seen in bodybuilding in couple years
wolf is couple levels better than dillet at its best,,he will win the o this year or next if comes 100%
haha what an hilarious post. You write as if you are the authority on BB past and present. 'Wolf win win the O this year or next', lol, says who? You? He is great but Dillet was top 5, not too shabby, and something Wolf is yet to achieve. Wolf is harder yes, but his lines and proportions are worse, although his back is probably better. Anyway, quit writing such assertive, but not necessarily correct, arrogant bullshit. Dillet had calves 10 times Wolf. I think Wolf stands more of a chance maybe in the long run since his condition can be pretty sick, but the tone of your post is nevertheless inexcusable and annoying. Please never post here again. I shouldn't really write any of this since your stupidity is self-evident but I couldn't resist.
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gh15, do you believe that when Dennis Wolf will be Mr O, bodybuilding will change in a better way?
i dont know,,its a uniqe physiqe that havent been seen in ages on bodybuilding stage,,very big,,very symetric and very conditioned with lots of quality and tiny miny waist,,all i know is you better start practice the name denis wolf because hes next mr o past ron and jason maybe even this year if brings it on 100% on stage and ron and jason not 100%
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Wolfe has:
- High lats.
- Long torso.
- Delts that overpower arms.
- Shitty calves.
Trust me folks: these are all serious shortcomings for a guy who aspired to the pinnacle title of pro bodybuilding. It's not a problem for winning wmin pro shows or even the Arnold, but the Olympia is a whole other ball game. Then there's the issue of size: Wolfe has a svelte waist, but he shows it at 250 lbs, and 250 lbs is not big enough to become a standard-bearer nowadays.
The real question is whether he will show his tiny waist with superb conditioning at 270+ lbs, which is what he'll need to win the Olympia. At three weeks out, he can still drop 20+ lbs, so we'll have to wait and see. If comes in with this waist and not much lighter, than he will place in the top four.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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haha what an hilarious post. You write as if you are the authority on BB past and present. 'Wolf win win the O this year or next', lol, says who? You? He is great but Dillet was top 5, not too shabby, and something Wolf is yet to achieve. Wolf is harder yes, but his lines and proportions are worse, although his back is probably better. Anyway, quit writing such assertive, but not necessarily correct, arrogant bullshit. Dillet had calves 10 times Wolf. I think Wolf stands more of a chance maybe in the long run since his condition can be pretty sick, but the tone of your post is nevertheless inexcusable and annoying. Please never post here again. I shouldn't really write any of this since your stupidity is self-evident but I couldn't resist.
i am authority on bodybuilding,,dillet was never top 5 bodybuilder in the world,,he was top 10 about same level as milos with milos being better,,he was a big baloon of hormonized blown muscle with very short career,,he was zero from the back and phenominal from the front yet nothing on him was as a result of hard work in gym,,
to compare dillet to wolf is like to compare heath to arnold,,,you can compare but thats where it ends,,when you see bodybuilders such as arnold and wolf you stand in awe,,it is a very uniqe structure that is born to be bodybuilder with tiny waist and very big muscle diameter,,wolf still lack thickness same as tony and when i say thickness i mean 3 dimention illusion to the physiqe,,but it is getting there,i say it again wold is a combo of the iron age arnold with the modern age dorian,,wolf will be the next mr o and will be unbeatable for many years to come,,heath will do well but will never beat him up due to chest amd narrow structure,,vic will be his competition for the title but vic has oil in him already and that cant help him much,,see mr ken wheeler
now when it comes to dex,,he is the top bodybuilder in the world if you dont take size into consideration and height means size,,dex is second to none when it comes to quality of physiqe but is simply too small for the ifbb to award the title to unless he comes 100% on and the rest are off,,then it will happen,,the chances of that are very little
i suggest you pratice the name denis wolf because he is everything gunter couldnt become to the 10th degree,,trust me the ifbb wants him as mr o,,its a matter of being in usa wich is no problem and matter of speaking and writing english which he does better than the average american :)
it is diamond that still have little more polish to do but diamonds are better than gold,,
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i am authority on bodybuilding,,dillet was never top 5 bodybuilder in the world,,he was top 10 about same level as milos with milos being better,,he was a big baloon of hormonized blown muscle with very short career,,he was zero from the back and phenominal from the front yet nothing on him was as a result of hard work in gym,,
to compare dillet to wolf is like to compare heath to arnold,,,you can compare but thats where it ends,,when you see bodybuilders such as arnold and wolf you stand in awe,,it is a very uniqe structure that is born to be bodybuilder with tiny waist and very big muscle diameter,,wolf still lack thickness same as tony and when i say thickness i mean 3 dimention illusion to the physiqe,,but it is getting there,i say it again wold is a combo of the iron age arnold with the modern age dorian,,wolf will be the next mr o and will be unbeatable for many years to come,,heath will do well but will never beat him up due to chest amd narrow structure,,vic will be his competition for the title but vic has oil in him already and that cant help him much,,see mr ken wheeler
I can't believe that I'm agreeing with GH15. Dillet never impressed me at all, except for his huge arms and freaky varicose veins in his pecs that were completely devoid of thickness. A look at him could tell you that he was a machine trainer. Why? It's very simple: machines can widen your physique and shapen it, but they give you no muscle thickness.
I don't know why this happens, but I think that the coordination and effort that it takes to balance free weights hits the inner fibers of the muscle while machines only hit superficial fibers, and hitting the inner fibers is the only way to acquire muscle thickness. I have never seen a guy get thick pecs by doing only pec deck flies; a wide chest, yes, but not thick. Likewise, I've never seen a guy get thick lats by doing only machine pushdowns, only wide lats. To get thick lats, dumbbell, barbell and T-rows are a must.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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I can't believe that I'm agreeing with GH15. Dillet never impressed me at all, except for his huge arms and freaky varicose veins in his pecs that were were completely devoid of thickness. A look at him could tell you that he was a machine trainer. Why? It's very simple: machines can widen your physique and shapen it, but they give you no muscle thickness.
I don't know why this happens, but I think that the coordination and effort that it takes to balance free weights hits the inner fibers of the muscle while machines only hit superficial fibers, and hitting the inner fibers is the only way to acquire muscle thickness. I have never seen a guy get thick pecs by doing only pec deck flies; a wide chest, yes, but not thick. Likewise, I've never seen a guy get thick lats by doing only machine pushdowns, only wide lats. To get thick lats, dumbbell, barbell and T-rows are a must.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
LOL
Dillet defined the word thickness.
Only he lacked thickness in the back. Add to the fact that he was the worst poser in the history next to Pavol didn't help hitting the back shots.
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LOL
Dillet defined the word thickness.
Only he lacked thickness in the back. Add to the fact that he was the worst poser in the history next to Pavol didn't help hitting the back shots.
Wrong. Don't be a moron. Dillet had no muscle thickness whatsoever. His pecs were flat like dishes and his back had the thickness of a local amateur competitor. Don't confuse the varicose veins in his pecs for thickness, because they were not. The only places where Dillet had real size were in his legs and arms.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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Wrong. Don't be a moron. Dillet had no muscle thickness whatsoever. His pecs were flat like dishes and his back had the thickness of a local amateur competitor. Don't confuse the varicose veins in his pecs for thickness, because they were not. The only places where Dillet had real size were in his legs and arms.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
he had the thickiest delts in history of bodybuilding as well...
world thickiest delts plus world thickiest arms and very thick legs - how it goes with your theory that mashines not builds thickness and Dillet had no thicknes ?
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dillets thickness in side shots was incredible il go as far as to say the biggest and best set of overall legs ive ever seen on a man over 6 foot, his delts were also massive, he just had no back and his chest wasnt the best front on either but to the side his legs and delt thickness hasnt been matched by such a tall bodybuilder.
Wolf is good and a better overall package i for one hope they overlook the high lats and calves and give him the O not this year but in years to come, the combo of wide waists and wide lower lats and then huge short thighs is just such a drug look in my opinion, they all look like dwarfs up there its great to see a tall guy doing well.
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he had the thickiest delts in history of bodybuilding as well...
world thickiest delts plus world thickiest arms and very thick legs - how it goes with your theory that mashines not builds thickness and Dillet had no thicknes ?
he paid for his delts---whatever he did to them
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I can't believe that I'm agreeing with GH15. Dillet never impressed me at all, except for his huge arms and freaky varicose veins in his pecs that were completely devoid of thickness. A look at him could tell you that he was a machine trainer. Why? It's very simple: machines can widen your physique and shapen it, but they give you no muscle thickness.
I don't know why this happens, but I think that the coordination and effort that it takes to balance free weights hits the inner fibers of the muscle while machines only hit superficial fibers, and hitting the inner fibers is the only way to acquire muscle thickness. I have never seen a guy get thick pecs by doing only pec deck flies; a wide chest, yes, but not thick. Likewise, I've never seen a guy get thick lats by doing only machine pushdowns, only wide lats. To get thick lats, dumbbell, barbell and T-rows are a must.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
I didn't know that your muscles can tell if you are using a machine or free weights
weights, be it free weights or machine are tools...nothing more, nothing less, there is nothing magical about either
it is prorbably best to use a combo of machine and free weights...
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As some have mentioned, this theory about "machine trainer" goes nowhere, just as Oliva said the machines he used were better than weights so let's put them down as at least equal. The whole "stabilizer muscle" idea about free weights is unproven; if that were really so important, no one would even use barbells, just dumbbells, taking that idea farther.
Dillet's problem was lack of seriousness in everything-training, posing, etc. & a physique that reflected that with a lack of finish, detail, muscle maturity, etc. not what he used to work out with that's an incorrect correlation.
Agree about Wolf-the IFBB would love nothing better than to have a white good looking polite articulate BB as the winner; he could fulfill that by having a better physique to present than someone like Gunter who had part of but not the whole package. The idea that he has to be American to win as someone said, is silly.
As far as Wolf's flaw's, virtually any BB has em so that's not an issue if improvement continues.
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i can't believe that labradors wife fucked that thing
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Hello, knock, knock, Wolf is not an American, he can't win; as he progresses he may get 5th or 6th but the nationality thing is a real hindrance whether you like it or not...
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heiko kallbach will win the mr o!!!!!!!!!!!
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I can't believe that I'm agreeing with GH15. Dillet never impressed me at all, except for his huge arms and freaky varicose veins in his pecs that were completely devoid of thickness. A look at him could tell you that he was a machine trainer. Why? It's very simple: machines can widen your physique and shapen it, but they give you no muscle thickness.
I don't know why this happens, but I think that the coordination and effort that it takes to balance free weights hits the inner fibers of the muscle while machines only hit superficial fibers, and hitting the inner fibers is the only way to acquire muscle thickness. I have never seen a guy get thick pecs by doing only pec deck flies; a wide chest, yes, but not thick. Likewise, I've never seen a guy get thick lats by doing only machine pushdowns, only wide lats. To get thick lats, dumbbell, barbell and T-rows are a must.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
Yep he was definitely not impressive. There were a ton of guys who looked like this. ::)
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he is a freak but i bet noone would like to look like him
but wolf on the other hand looks great
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I can't believe that I'm agreeing with GH15.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
Well, you are not the only one. And I also agree with him on the idea that, quite possibly, Wolfe is the future of pro bodybuilding.
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eastern europians dont lose foundation... pure stupidity
ron and jason... call him jay like everyone else
wolfe is arnold all over again only improved... wolfe aint got shit on arnold, and looks nothing like him.
dillet having no "thickness" is a joke. if you think wolfe will be mr. o this year or next, you are delusional.
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posts like that just shows me why some of us never meant to be professional,,you guy are killing me :D,,you think that having large set of arms and large set of legs will get you anywhere in bodybuilding,,,not in the 60s and not in the 2000s my friend,,every one can have large set of arms..reason you dont is because you overtrain them and dont know how to train them,,but EVERYONE can have large set of arms,,its not arms we talking about here,,it is not mr canada we talking about here,,it is not level 4 state show in california or florida usa we talking about here,,
the fact you look at shear size to determine anything is a bad bad bad mistake that only greenies and kids do,,when i get in a gym i can tell the bodybuilders from the kids in 30 seconds,,the kids are the one walking around with big arms and nothing else,,the champion bodybuilders on the other hand have everything on developed fully with great structure and balance,,everyday person and everyday whores may give 2 shits about your 18 inch arms,,what i check first thing is your set of pecs,,your back,,your midsection and waist,,your quads,,and overall thickness of the physiqe,,no not arm thickness!! OVER ALL THICKNESS OF THE PHYSIQE,,that is what i look at and what i look at is what the people who know bodybuilding look at! look at dexters arms when competing national,,they were very average,,we dont look at arms size to determine a champ my imbacile friend,,we look at everything!
DILLET DID NOT HAVE A CHAMP PHYSIQE,,DILLET HAD A LEE PRIEST CAVED IN CHEST WITH 'SAGGY STRUCTURE ',,,DILLET HAD NO BACK HIS BACK WAS THE LEVEL OF LAST PLACE IN NATIONAL USA,,DILLET HAD NO MUSCLE MATURITY AND NO POSING ABILITY NOR DID HE HAVE WORK ETHICS,,HE WAS A BALOON ON HORMONES AND THAT WERE IT ENDS,,HE WAS TOO TALL AND TOO BIG,,HE WAS TOO FREAKY LLOKING WITH NO GREAT BALANCE,,HE WON COUPLE DUE TO GENETIC RESPOND TO HORMONES WHICH WAS SUPERB BUT THAT WHERE IT ENDS,,HIS ARMS AND LEGS WERE INDEED SUPERB BUT THAT IS NOT ENOUGH TO BE THE CHAMP IN BODYBUILDING
we in bodybuilding look at the overall picture,,,that is why jason is the champ right now,,,that is why guys like the hutch guy from this board will make it to a pro and be more sucessful than tropopin that may or may not make it to pro after hard hard work,,
you have to have everything developed inorder to be a champ,,it has to be attached to a small waist,,yes ron colman had a very small waist in 1998,,and so did dorian when started,,and so was haney and so was arnold and so was zane and so was larry and so was reeves,,,the reason they were champs is because of OVER ALL POTENTIAL TAKEN TO THE NEXT LEVEL WITH EVERY SINGLE BODY PART DEVELOPED TO AN EQUAL LEVEL EVENTUALLY,,
YOU CAN NOT WIN A TITLE LIKE THE OLYMPIA GOING AROUND LOOKING LIKE DILLET OR CANADA FRANK,,OR ERIC BOYIE,,OR LEE PRIEST,,,FREAK IS NOT ENOUGH,,
CHAMPS ARE MADE OF PLATINUM,,THEY HAVE DIFF LOOK TO THEM,,
DENIS WOLF HAS THIS LOOK TO HIM,,HE WILL BE THE NEXT MR O MOST LIKLEY IF HEALTH IS OK AND COMES ON 100%,,LITTLE POLISHING,,SOME MORE WORK,,BUT YOU ARE TALKING HERE ABOUT A CHAMP PHYSIQE COUPLE OF LEVELS ABOVE AND BEYOND ANY DILLETS,,
YOU ARE TALKIN HERE ABOUT LEVRONE,,RAY,,DORIAN,,ARNOLD,,ZANE,, LEVEL OF PHYSIQE AND GREATNESS,,THEY ONLY COME ONCE OR TWICE EVERY GENERATION TRUST ME ON THAT
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this is right here your 2007 mr olympia,,you simply cant ignore the waist,,he is bigger than jason and bigger than ron,,his muscles have less hormones in them,,and he is big where it counts!
yes his legs are not as thick as jason and his arms are not as detailed and freaky as ron,,but his waist is a good 5 inch smaller with illusion of being 10 inch smaller carrying lots and lots of symetric muscle mass on the frame
it comes to this:
jason look like a bull
ron looks like a gorilla
wolf look like a race horse at its prime
you just cant ignore it,,even bloat he looks better than jason and ron
this should be the 2007 champ if he comes 100% on the day of show
bullshit as much as we like this kid, jay is still lightears ahead.
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haha what an hilarious post. You write as if you are the authority on BB past and present. 'Wolf win win the O this year or next', lol, says who? You? He is great but Dillet was top 5, not too shabby, and something Wolf is yet to achieve. Wolf is harder yes, but his lines and proportions are worse, although his back is probably better. Anyway, quit writing such assertive, but not necessarily correct, arrogant bullshit. Dillet had calves 10 times Wolf. I think Wolf stands more of a chance maybe in the long run since his condition can be pretty sick, but the tone of your post is nevertheless inexcusable and annoying. Please never post here again. I shouldn't really write any of this since your stupidity is self-evident but I couldn't resist.
MMEEEEEEEEEEEEEEELLLLLLT TTTTDDOOOOOOOOOOOOOWWWWW WWNNN!!!!!!
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Looks great.
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Haven't you guys figured out why GH15 is so pro-wolf? ;)
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Haven't you guys figured out why GH15 is so pro-wolf? ;)
Hahahaha, yes, it's a little "shell game" he is playing. ;D
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dillet was alot better than wolf is now. sure his back wasnt that good and his chest could have been thicker..but his structure was incredible. he is among the best bodybuilders ever.
and yes he was lazy, didnt work that hard in the gym..but bodybuilding is about how you look on stage not how hard you work. dillets aas response had to be amazing. i can understand that these facts irritate other bodybuilders and gives dillet a "fake aura"...but nonetheless dillet was amazing.
ohh..the reason for him not having a thick back or chest isnt primarily due to him using alot of machines...its more due to him not working these muscles hard enough (partly due to inability to isolate chest when doing pressing movements..thus his gigantic shoulders took alot of the load)...same thing with back.
the scary thing, is that dillet could have been even better.
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this physique is better than dorian yates in bfto 96.
dillet was too impressed by yates when in reality he was better than yates. dillet had huge respect for yates and was amazed by the 1993 kevin horton 269lbs pics of yates. in the legendary FIBO 94 footage with nasser, dillet, yates, richards.....people always discussed how massive richards and yates where...but once again in reality dillet was just as massive as those guys where, maybe even more freaky!
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this physique is better than dorian yates in bfto 96.
dillet was too impressed by yates when in reality he was better than yates. dillet had huge respect for yates and was amazed by the 1993 kevin horton 269lbs pics of yates. in the legendary FIBO 94 footage with nasser, dillet, yates, richards.....people always discussed how massive richards and yates where...but once again in reality dillet was just as massive as those guys where, maybe even more freaky!
Right, a genetic freak of nature who was completely unable to pose and not smart enough to polish off what could have been the best physique ever. He was also unbelievably ugly, you can't deny that the face is part of the total package. If your respect for pros includes their will, intelligence, and cunning, then Dillet is not even in the top 100.
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Right, a genetic freak of nature who was completely unable to pose and not smart enough to polish off what could have been the best physique ever. He was also unbelievably ugly, you can't deny that the face is part of the total package. If your respect for pros includes their will, intelligence, and cunning, then Dillet is not even in the top 100.
whats your point? dillet still had one of the best pyshiques the world has ever seen, regardless of his lack of work ethic etc.
lots of pros cant pose, people are almost brainwashed..and all they "know" is that dillet couldnt pose and had a bad back. so what? everyone has flaws..yates had a big tummy, no biceps and was no master poser either.
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whats your point? dillet still had one of the best pyshiques the world has ever seen, regardless of his lack of work ethic etc.
lots of pros cant pose, people are almost brainwashed..and all they "know" is that dillet couldnt pose and had a bad back. so what? everyone has flaws..yates had a big tummy, no biceps and was no master poser either.
Yates could pose most certainly better than Dillett he wasn't a fluid poser like Makkawy or Labrada but he had a mastery of the mandatory poses , Dorian had biceps good ones not great by any means and Dillett's back was a major liability it was wide and thats it , it lacked depth , separation , thickness and his inability pose is legendary not to mention constantly bending over after each shot , what good is having a fantastic physique if you can't properly display it? and lets not mention his conditioning which was hit or miss.
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whats your point? dillet still had one of the best pyshiques the world has ever seen, regardless of his lack of work ethic etc.
lots of pros cant pose, people are almost brainwashed..and all they "know" is that dillet couldnt pose and had a bad back. so what? everyone has flaws..yates had a big tummy, no biceps and was no master poser either.
Sure, Yates wasn't some kind of pose master, but most people either laugh or feel intense revultion when they see Dillet pose for the first time. I'm not just talking about a posing routine, but all the standard poses as well.
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Yates could pose most certainly better than Dillett he wasn't a fluid poser like Makkawy or Labrada but he had a mastery of the mandatory poses , Dorian had biceps good ones not great by any means and Dillett's back was a major liability it was wide and thats it , it lacked depth , separation , thickness and his inability pose is legendary not to mention constantly bending over after each shot , what good is having a fantastic physique if you can't properly display it? and lets not mention his conditioning which was hit or miss.
i always thought yates was a good bodybuilder and had a good structure...(at least until he got pregnant). i know alot of people say dorian had a poor structure..i dont agree with that tho. i do think that dorian ruined alot tho from 94 onward. (alot of it had to do with injuries)
that being said..i still think dillet was better than yates. its my subjective opinion and it doesnt matter if dillet could pose or not. for me posing isnt a criteria that matters as im not a competition judge.
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i always thought yates was a good bodybuilder and had a good structure...(at least until he got pregnant). i know alot of people say dorian had a poor structure..i dont agree with that tho. i do think that dorian ruined alot tho from 94 onward. (alot of it had to do with injuries)
that being said..i still think dillet was better than yates. its my subjective opinion and it doesnt matter if dillet could pose or not. for me posing isnt a criteria that matters as im not a competition judge.
I'll agree Dillett had a better structure than Yates , in fact Dillett had a better structure than almost everyone , Dillett was very rare because he was tall ( 6'1" ) had outstanding symmetry in all aspects , he had naturally wide clavicles , small waist & hips coupled with small joints and outstanding balance & proportion between muscles he had long full muscle bellies and great natural shape , however from a competitive bodybuilding standpoint Dillett left a lot to be desired in terms of muscularity , muscle density and conditioning and posing presentation , he was an outstanding a very rare specimen in the world of bodybuilding .
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I'll agree Dillett had a better structure than Yates , in fact Dillett had a better structure than almost everyone , Dillett was very rare because he was tall ( 6'1" ) had outstanding symmetry in all aspects , he had naturally wide clavicles , small waist & hips coupled with small joints and outstanding balance & proportion between muscles he had long full muscle bellies and great natural shape , however from a competitive bodybuilding standpoint Dillett left a lot to be desired in terms of muscularity , muscle density and conditioning and posing presentation , he was an outstanding a very rare specimen in the world of bodybuilding .
good post, i agree with most of it...except for the word "a lot"..i would instead say "some".
remember everyone has flaws...in my opinion...dillet wins from the front and yates from the back. dillet wins by his superior structure and his superior legs...
calves are almost equal..as both have amazing calves (altho i would give the nod to yates when it comes to calves)
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gh15, after reading your rather lengthy response...i am convinced you're a dumbass.
dillet has more of the "total package" than wolfe x10. wolfe has shitty genetics and i doubt he will make it far. just because YOU want to look like wolfe, doesnt mean he is olympia material.
you apparently think you are some sort of guru on judging bodybuilding physiques...
dillet wasnt as good as ronnie (b/c ronnie had a more complete physique), but he is 10x better than wolfe.
its funny you even use arguments like that's not what you are judged on during the show, so why even state that as if it matters. you assume he had no work ethics. i have heard flex wheeler had no drive also, but you're judged on your physique and not on how intense your workouts may or may not appear to be.
every once in a while a bodybuilder with phenominal genetic response to hormones jumps into the swamp hoping to be the best and in every single time that bodybuilder fails,,
dillet is the superstar of this failures but guess what,,he failed!
canadian frank although not at dillets level failed and will not do anything with his pro card
chris cook,,the white dillet,,failed and never to be seen again on stage
aron failed and never to be seen again on stage
there is a big big big big diff between someone who has phenominal reponse to hormones and dont do shit with it to someone who has phenominal reponse to hormones and do shit with it,,aka,,garey,,mike mataraza,,lee apperson which won i think 6 in master o with less than marvelous genetics but knew his shit when it comes to hormones and training,,,ken wheeler which was a slob but he payed his time in the gym big time! and at time he was very serious about training,,chris which loved to party but also payed lots of time in gym for many many years it didnt come to him easy as you think,,one look at chris physiqe at his best comparing to dillet shows you the enourmous diff between the 2 when it comes to time payed in the gym
dillet is a diff story,,a guy that had big arms big legs and thats where it ends,,he was very good and freaky looking for the 90s and it has to do a lot with his height same as gunter,,,rthe diff is gunter was working his asssssss in the gym trust me on that :) goonnter was standing infront of the mirror practicing posing for hours upon hours,,dillet...a diff story
yes dillet made ray look small true,,but the quality of the physiqe that ray had on his frame was diff leage,,
so to conclude this stupid remark of yours,,
denis wolf is more of a ray and arnold rather than dillet,,
heath is more of a dillet but has 10 times better workj ethics and thats why he will get to places dillet never been
it sounds like i trash dillet and im not trying to,,what i do is making sure you know dillet place in bodybuilding history,,his place is among the freaks that came and go,,he was a freak and freaks can do some damage but in the scheme of things they are not considered the best this sport has to offer no matter how big their arms are
thank you and now let me go trying to look like wolf....good lord help you my friend
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Yates could pose most certainly better than Dillett he wasn't a fluid poser like Makkawy or Labrada but he had a mastery of the mandatory poses , Dorian had biceps good ones not great by any means and Dillett's back was a major liability it was wide and thats it , it lacked depth , separation , thickness and his inability pose is legendary not to mention constantly bending over after each shot , what good is having a fantastic physique if you can't properly display it? and lets not mention his conditioning which was hit or miss.
Classic one-dimensional analysis mentioning Dillet's back, neglecting to acknowledge Yates and others for their equivalent flaws. Dillet won front and side regardless.
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Classic one-dimensional analysis mentioning Dillet's back, neglecting to acknowledge Yates and others for their equivalent flaws. Dillet won front and side regardless.
Why is no one talking about Flex and his weaknesses... ;D?
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you keep mentioning arms...as if that is all he had. look at the pictures...he had arms, quads, calves, shoulders, hamstring, chest was good(not great). he was weak somewhat in the back. he had symmetry and long muscle bellies. everyone has "some" flaws. you act as if his only positive were big arms. if you think he was just a freak who responded well to drugs, then that's your opinion.
as far as wolfe goes...i think he looks good, but has too many flaws to ever be mr. olympia. he has tiny calves, high lats, and terrible arms. if he ever is able to fix those weak points, then he would have a chance, but its difficult to overcome weakpoints that are most likely genetic. it doesnt matter how much you talk about muscle maturity or him looking like a golden era bodybuilder, which i disagree with both, those things dont make up for an incomplete physique. he doesnt have the total package, and without taking care of those weak points, he never will.
28 years old,,already pro win going and top placings going in other shows,,arms are not the stuff ifbb looks at when it comes to finding mr o as of 2007,,,arms is part of a package that must be there,,jason dorian and haney had same or worse arms than wolf,,those arms are not his strongest point but i assure you if the delts werent that strong the arms would be much more noticable,,,wolf got massive massive massive arms with average shape but in the total picture it fits the physiqe perfectly,,everything is symetric like a painting,,he is big dexter with same problem in the calves,,big dexter = mr olympia,,meanwhile dillet arms were overpowering everything on his body,,EVERYTHING,,yes he had good delts but only because he was a big freaky guy,,he had and still has those shoulders it didnt take no training it was all repond to hormones,,llook at him in general he is just a big tall fella,,big black brother tall fella but that doesnt mean you are better than a guy like labrada zane gaspari and now wolf that were light years better than dillet
denis and i can assure you this first hand,,had to develop what he has,,he put foundation in it,,the basics are dialed in and now the drugs are takjiung it to olympia title sooner or later,,its a promise,,only 9-10 serious years training,,this is,,unlike in kamali case,,the quiet before the storm,,big storm,,woff is gonna be the best white bodybuilder to date the equivelent of dorian yates with a hell of alot better symetry iron age style,,it is zane and arnold physiqe taken to the dorian level,,mark my words and date
but i respect your opinion since you presented it with style in the last post,,let time show whos right my friend
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Getbig is arguably the greatest collection of stupid people on the internet. How can they say that Dillet didn't lack muscle thickness when he disappeared from the sides ??? The dumb people here confuse Dillet's varicose veins for chest thickness, which it is not. Dillet's pecs were very thin, the result of doing nothing more than cable cross-overs and pec deck flyes in the gym. Likewise, his lats lacked thickness because he did nothing but pulldowns in the gym. That's why Dillet looked very wide from the front but disappeared when he turned to the sides. The only things that were big on him were his legs and arms. :)
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The only chance for Wolf to get a sondow is to steal it from Jay :-* ;D
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FUCK!!
Wolf's shoulders are gigantic in that shot.
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The only chance for Wolf to get a sondow is to steal it from Jay :-* ;D
atleast you shoudl have tried to put a picture of him next to ron,,then it would be a match since ron got the size of muscle to stand next to wolf,,
you just put a picture here that shows everything i said and thank you for that,,you showed a picture of jason the champ that only has one thing bigger than wolf,,you know what it is? THE BELLIE THE GUT THE STOMACK THE WAIST,,oh yes calves also how could i forget :),,as much as i like jason he stand as the lowest ever champ in bodybuilding history together with good ole franco all his size is one big thicness of muscle mass,,he got determination and work ethics but his physiqe can be concluded with 2 simple words and it is big and thick,,nothing else but big and thick,
any human being even ones who dont know 2 shits about bodybuilding can easily see that wolf at 28 already surpass jason in muscle size,,no not gut size,,,muscle size,,jason got 30 extra lb in one and only one place and it is the bello,,the organs are huge,,the bellie is big and wide and only reason it looks still acceptable is because his torso is endless too when it comes to widness,,
take a look at the picture again,,look at the gut and waist,,,being mr o is nice and good and everything is fine,,but wolf make jason look like a fat short guy with big calves,,powerlifter style with out the powerfull look due to ........oil! if you want to be honest,,sorry but this is the truth,,at age 28 he is ready for the title and make jason look real bad there for being MR OLYMPIA,,this is not local champ we talking about here,,this is THE MISTER OLYMPIA!!
only thing jason have on him is thickness in couple bodyparts and 30 extra lb in the bello,,that is it,,so im tellin you again wolf will be mr o and not at age 34,,it will be before 30 and it will be a memorable champ with big muscles and tiny waist like it should be in BODY BUILDING! the continuation of ron 98 is coming in the form of wolf i promise you
*by the way,,take a look at the forarms in the picture you posted,,the champ and a 28 year old wolf,,,if it wasnt sad id be laughing,,the sooner they give him the title the better this sport will get,,he is the best bodybuilder in the world now days
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atleast you shoudl have tried to put a picture of him next to ron,,then it would be a match since ron got the size of muscle to stand next to wolf,,
you just put a picture here that shows everything i said and thank you for that,,you showed a picture of jason the champ that only has one thing bigger than wolf,,you know what it is? THE BELLIE THE GUT THE STOMACK THE WAIST,,oh yes calves also how could i forget :),,as much as i like jason he stand as the lowest ever champ in bodybuilding history together with good ole franco all his size is one big thicness of muscle mass,,he got determination and work ethics but his physiqe can be concluded with 2 simple words and it is big and thick,,nothing else but big and thick,
any human being even ones who dont know 2 shits about bodybuilding can easily see that wolf at 28 already surpass jason in muscle size,,no not gut size,,,muscle size,,jason got 30 extra lb in one and only one place and it is the bello,,the organs are huge,,the bellie is big and wide and only reason it looks still acceptable is because his torso is endless too when it comes to widness,,
take a look at the picture again,,look at the gut and waist,,,being mr o is nice and good and everything is fine,,but wolf make jason look like a fat short guy with big calves,,powerlifter style with out the powerfull look due to ........oil! if you want to be honest,,sorry but this is the truth,,at age 28 he is ready for the title and make jason look real bad there for being MR OLYMPIA,,this is not local champ we talking about here,,this is THE MISTER OLYMPIA!!
only thing jason have on him is thickness in couple bodyparts and 30 extra lb in the bello,,that is it,,so im tellin you again wolf will be mr o and not at age 34,,it will be before 30 and it will be a memorable champ with big muscles and tiny waist like it should be in BODY BUILDING! the continuation of ron 98 is coming in the form of wolf i promise you
*by the way,,take a look at the forarms in the picture you posted,,the champ and a 28 year old wolf,,,if it wasnt sad id be laughing,,the sooner they give him the title the better this sport will get,,he is the best bodybuilder in the world now days
viel Glück Herr Wolf!!
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gh15, after reading your rather lengthy response...i am convinced you're a dumbass.
dillet has more of the "total package" than wolfe x10. wolfe has shitty genetics and i doubt he will make it far. just because YOU want to look like wolfe, doesnt mean he is olympia material.
you apparently think you are some sort of guru on judging bodybuilding physiques...
dillet wasnt as good as ronnie (b/c ronnie had a more complete physique), but he is 10x better than wolfe.
its funny you even use arguments like that's not what you are judged on during the show, so why even state that as if it matters. you assume he had no work ethics. i have heard flex wheeler had no drive also, but you're judged on your physique and not on how intense your workouts may or may not appear to be.
I second this. Also, I don't know why GH15 insists Dillet was never 5th at the Olympia, why debate a known truth.
(http://www.darkwoods.com/bodybuilder/male/bb/gallery/fullsize/dillet05.jpg)
Also insanely thick delts, legs, CALVES and arms, and traps, do no constitute a lack of thickness. Chest to back thickness perhaps maybe, but this should not be generalised to overall thickness.
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The only chance for Wolf to get a sondow is to steal it from Jay :-* ;D
Wolf does not look small next to Jay. His shoulders look bigger than Jay's and we all know his waist is smaller. :o
Wolf needs to improve his chest, back and calves (and biceps a little) and he'd be unbeatable.
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awesome lat to waist taper in the rear spread...
shoulders do dwarf the arms in certain poses though...needs more fullness in the triceps and more forearms to complete the package up top i think
at 280 though that is sick...top 6 at the O if hes lucky.
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Getbig is arguably the greatest collection of stupid people on the internet. How can they say that Dillet didn't lack muscle thickness when he disappeared from the sides ??? The dumb people here confuse Dillet's varicose veins for chest thickness, which it is not. Dillet's pecs were very thin, the result of doing nothing more than cable cross-overs and pec deck flyes in the gym. Likewise, his lats lacked thickness because he did nothing but pulldowns in the gym. That's why Dillet looked very wide from the front but disappeared when he turned to the sides. The only things that were big on him were his legs and arms. :)
SUCKMYMUSCLE
stupid? lol just because we dont agree with you.
its true dillet didnt have the biggest chest or back nor had he the best posing ability. but despite that..i think he was a better bodybuilder than yates was.
simple as that.
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I second this. Also, I don't know why GH15 insists Dillet was never 5th at the Olympia, why debate a known truth.
(http://www.darkwoods.com/bodybuilder/male/bb/gallery/fullsize/dillet05.jpg)
Also insanely thick delts, legs, CALVES and arms, and traps, do no constitute a lack of thickness. Chest to back thickness perhaps maybe, but this should not be generalised to overall thickness.
Bump for how right I am.
Suckmymuscle, I find it amusing how your quasi-intellectual pretentions compell you to presume inside-out knowledge of Dillet's workouts. He obviously did presses and obviously put some serious gym time in to get his physique. Don't include yourself in the moronic masses who assert how guys like Dillet and Flex simply looked at a gym, then became top 5 in the world. Even if they had different work ethics to guys like Dorian and Ronnie, don't you think when they were being told 'just more back thickness and you'll be Mr O', or whatever, that they trained their back damn hard. Lee Priest certainly gets damn pissed off with ignoramouses asking him why he doesn't train chest harder. The truth is he trains it hard it just doesn't repond like his arms.
Again, thick thick delts, quads, calves, tris, bis, and DELTS do not a shallow physique make. CHEST-TO-BACK thickness is but ONE aspect of any assessment.
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dillett was crap... ::)
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And Ron said this cat won't make top 10 at the Olympia?
Shame on you, Ron.
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With so many "Holes" in his physique....no calves, poor lower quads, no back thickness, high lats.....he will look like a swimmer against tanks like Coleman and Cutler. Has some freaky bodyparts but your dreamng that this guy challenges for the "o" now or maybe ever. Wake up boys.
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Bump for how right I am.Suckmymuscle, I find it amusing how your quasi-intellectual pretentions compell you to presume inside-out knowledge of Dillet's workouts.
I only know about his workouts from I read in magazines and from what his fellow competitors said. All the training routines for Dillet that I read in FLEX, Muscle&Fitness, MuscleMag, Ironman and MD showed that he did nothing but cable crossovers and pec deck flyes for chest and lots of pulldowns for back. Nothing from what I've read and from testimonials from his fellow competitors indicate that he trained hard in the gym - compare this to what the other bodybuilders say about Ronnie and his ferocious intensity in the gym.
He obviously did presses and obviously put some serious gym time in to get his physique. Don't include yourself in the moronic masses who assert how guys like Dillet and Flex simply looked at a gym, then became top 5 in the world.
No, I am including you in the moronic masses. ;) Dillet became top 5 in the World - although I'd rather say top 8 - due to his absolutely freakish genetics and drug use. Nothing more. There are tons of guys at my local gym who train much harder than he ever did.
Even if they had different work ethics to guys like Dorian and Ronnie, don't you think when they were being told 'just more back thickness and you'll be Mr O', or whatever, that they trained their back damn hard.
No, I don't. And this is exactly why they never achieved great backs or pecs. Dorian once asked Flex why he didn't do barbell rows and he said that it was because it made him windy. This despite the fact that Flex knew that he needed more back thickess to defeat Dorian and then Ronnie. Some guys are just plain lazy. Guys like Dillet.
Lee Priest certainly gets damn pissed off with ignoramouses asking him why he doesn't train chest harder. The truth is he trains it hard it just doesn't repond like his arms.
Lee Priest does train very hard, but his problem is of a different nature: overtraining. He does up to 30 sets for pecs and that's too much even for an anabolic user. He would dramatically increase his pec thickness if he maintained his intensity in the gym but did fewer sets.
Again, thick thick delts, quads, calves, tris, bis, and DELTS do not a shallow physique make. CHEST-TO-BACK thickness is but ONE aspect of any assessment.
Width and shape are not special. Anyone can get wider and more shapely muscles with machine work, but real beef only comes to those who use barbells&dumbbells. Training with barbell&dumbbells is what separates the real bodybuilders from the pretty boy models. Training with barbells&dumbbells is the only way to pack lots of muscle - even with sauce.
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I only know about his workouts from I read in magazines and from what his fellow competitors said. All the training routines for Dillet that I read in FLEX, Muscle&Fitness, MuscleMag, Ironman and MD showed that he did nothing but cable crossovers and pec deck flyes for chest and lots of pulldowns for back. Nothing from what I've read and from testimonials from his fellow competitors indicate that he trained hard in the gym - compare this to what the other bodybuilders say about Ronnie and his ferocious intensity in the gym.
he did more than flyes and crossovers....but yes his chest and back was lagging because the rest of him was enormous
No, I am including you in the moronic masses. ;) Dillet became top 5 in the World - although I'd rather say top 8 - due to his absolutely freakish genetics and drug use. Nothing more. There are tons of guys at my local gym who train much harder than he ever did.
doesnt matter if millions worked harder than him....its about the physique
No, I don't. And this is exactly why they never achieved great backs or pecs. Dorian once asked Flex why he didn't do barbell rows and he said that it was because it made him windy. This despite the fact that Flex knew that he needed more back thickess to defeat Dorian and then Ronnie. Some guys are just plain lazy. Guys like Dillet.
Lee Priest does train very hard, but his problem is of a different nature: overtraining. He does up to 30 sets for pecs and that's too much even for an anabolic user. He would dramatically increase his pec thickness if he maintained his intensity in the gym but did fewer sets.
bullshit, lees pecs are (relatively) small because of poor torso genetics and overpowering delts, not due to overtraining
Width and shape are not special. Anyone can get wider and more shapely muscles with machine work, but real beef only comes to those who use barbells&dumbbells. Training with barbell&dumbbells is what separates the real bodybuilders from the pretty boy models. Training with barbells&dumbbells is the only way to pack lots of muscle - even with sauce.
he did incline barbell press for example which is a free weigth exercise....dillets main problem was that he didnt work hard enough to bring up his lagging muscle parts, true..but it had more to do lack of effort than machines vs free weights and inability to feel the pecs contracting
SUCKMYMUSCLE
still he was better than yates. only a levrone, ray ..in top shape could rival him in the 90s.
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still he was better than yates. only a levrone, ray ..in top shape could rival him in the 90s.
Hey, retard, why are you replying to my post? It wasn't addressed to you, and you are wrong on all counts. Example: I never contested that what matters is the physique, only stating the obvious fact that Dillet's physique was due to incredible genetics and tons of drugs, and that there are lots of guys that train much harder but who are much smaller. He made the argument that Dillet must have trained very hard because he was one of the top 5 bodybuilders in the World; I proved him wrong by showing that you don't need to train hard to be one of the top 5 bodybuilders in the World when you are a genetic titan who uses anabolics. Stop quoting me out of context! >:(
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Classic one-dimensional analysis mentioning Dillet's back, neglecting to acknowledge Yates and others for their equivalent flaws. Dillet won front and side regardless.
Thats not one-dimensional thats blatantly obvious and a major liability which prevented him from beating many people coupled with his other flaws in posing & presentation and on/off conditioning , Dillett may have won from the front and side in terms of structure and shape but when all the criteria is applied he didn't win from the front , side or back . classic example of counting the pluses while ignoring the misses .
others has flaws no doubt but their strengths compensated for them .
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And Ron said this cat won't make top 10 at the Olympia?
Shame on you, Ron.
meh he just forgot about him... i hope >:(
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Hey, retard, why are you replying to my post? It wasn't addressed to you, and you are wrong on all counts. Example: I never contested that what matters is the physique, only stating the obvious fact that Dillet's physique was due to incredible genetics and tons of drugs, and that there are lots of guys that train much harder but who are much smaller. He made the argument that Dillet must have trained very hard because he was one of the top 5 bodybuilders in the World; I proved him wrong by showing that you don't need to train hard to be one of the top 5 bodybuilders in the World when you are a genetic titan who uses anabolics. Stop quoting me out of context! >:(
SUCKMYMUSCLE
hahahhaha, watch your blood pressure. im correct on ALL points i made. lee priest has small chest cuz its overtrained....? ;D
and it not quoting out of context, as the context was mr dillet.
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hahahhaha, watch your blood pressure. im correct on ALL points i made. lee priest has small chest cuz its overtrained....? ;D
and it not quoting out of context, as the context was mr dillet.
he does have a tendency to say some really ridiculous things.. lets see here: Kovacs pressing the 300's, Lee overtraining his chest, Dillet lacking thickness etc oh and lets not forget Dorian > Ronnie ???
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hahahhaha, watch your blood pressure. im correct on ALL points i made. lee priest has small chest cuz its overtrained....? ;D
and it not quoting out of context, as the context was mr dillet.
Paul Dillet's muscles were the result of genes and drugs, not of hard training. Saying that he achieved his body because he trained hard is an insult to every guy who trains 10 times harder than he did and were still much smaller than him.
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he does have a tendency to say some really ridiculous things.. lets see here: Kovacs pressing the 300's,
Kovacs did press 300 lbs dummbells for pecs...
Lee overtraining his chest,
Lee does overtrain his chest...
Dillet lacking thickness etc
Dillet did lack thickness except in his arms and legs...
oh and lets not forget Dorian > Ronnie ???
Dorian would defeat Ronnie, and I have provided ample evidence for that in the bitch thread...
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1 you don't know whether lee would have responded better to "fewer" sets...its very presumptuous to think you KNOW what would work someone other than YOURSELF. especially lee, who has probably tried all different variations and techniques to make his chest grow.
No, everyone responds better to fewer sets. Overtraining works for everyone. Priest would definitely see better results if he did fewer sets. The only reason why he has any pec thickness at all is because he is an anabolic user. Most people would lose pec mass if they did 30 sets. And who said that Lee tried all training types? This might be the only one he ever did.
2 the statement about machines and dumbbells is IGNORANT. muscles dont know the difference between machines and free weights. they respond to overload, whether it be from any source. there ARE differences of course between the two, but the statement that machines just make you wider and more shapely, and free weights make you more beefy? WAY off the deep end with that statement.
Don't pretend to know more about this than I do, because I'm majoring in exercise physiology and I am smarter than you. Muscles can't tell the difference between machines and barbell&dumbbells? You bet they can't, but they can certainly tell the difference between the stimulus caused by a machine from the one caused by barbells&dumbbells. You're probably not awar of the recent studies done with MRI, which shows that far more muscle fibers are activated in a set of flat bench press than in a set of machine flyes. Not more fibers, but much more. Barbells require you to balance the weight, and that activates moe fibers and more nerve firing than what mahines do. Furthermore, with the exception of barbell and dumbbell curls, most barbell&dumbbell eercises are multi-joint, which means that they work several muscles at the same time, thus being more productive.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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Kovacs did press 300 lbs dummbells for pecs...
Where is the evidence for this? I can't believe you would even think it would even be possible for him to do that.
Lee does overtrain his chest...
He maybe, but for all we know he may not be considering he takes anabolic drugs, and individual capacities for volume and workload.
Dillet did lack thickness except in his arms and legs...
What about his monstrous shoulders and traps? His weaknesses were chest and back so I guess he would lack thickness there, but I don't think his lack of density is all that visible until he turns around and hits those back shots.
Dorian would defeat Ronnie, and I have provided ample evidence for that in the bitch thread...
SUCKMYMUSCLE
I've seen a lot of PICTORAL evidence to the contrary which makes me beleive otherwise. Both have their weaknesses and strengths, and as much as they add up on paper, they don't mean much until you see the comprehensive picture. This is beyond argumentation, it is visual evidence.
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Paul Dillet's muscles were the result of genes and drugs, not of hard training. Saying that he achieved his body because he trained hard is an insult to every guy who trains 10 times harder than he did and were still much smaller than him.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
did dillet fuck your imaginary gf? ;D
i never claimed dillet was the hardest working guy around, infact like i said in several earlier posts in this thread he was lazy compared to the likes of yates.
but still dillet>yates.
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No, everyone responds better to fewer sets. Overtraining works for everyone. Priest would definitely see better results if he did fewer sets. The only reason why he has any pec thickness at all is because he is an anabolic user. Most people would lose pec mass if they did 30 sets. And who said that Lee tried all training types? This might be the only one he ever did.
bullshit, Lee has been working out for more than 20 years, his chest is small because he doesnt have good chest genetics and possibly due to his shoulders getting activated too much in his chest pressing movement. His chest is not overtrained, his chest is big as it ever will be. if he used less sets he would look exactly the same as he does today.
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Kovacs did press 300 lbs dummbells for pecs...
no he didnt
Lee does overtrain his chest...
no he doesnt, he took his chest genetics as far as he could. his lagging chest doesnt have anything to do with overtraining
Dillet did lack thickness except in his arms and legs...
dillet had very thick legs, shoulders, arms and calves .and yes he lagged some thickness in chest and back. but was still better than Yates, and among 5 best bodybuilders ever.
Dorian would defeat Ronnie, and I have provided ample evidence for that in the bitch thread...
dorian did defeat ronnie, but when ronnie was at his best, dorian wouldnt even be close, specially with his torn left bicep.
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I will just ignore this troll. That'll probably piss him off. ;)
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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No, everyone responds better to fewer sets. Overtraining works for everyone. Priest would definitely see better results if he did fewer sets. The only reason why he has any pec thickness at all is because he is an anabolic user. Most people would lose pec mass if they did 30 sets. And who said that Lee tried all training types? This might be the only one he ever did.
Don't pretend to know more about this than I do, because I'm majoring in exercise physiology and I am smarter than you. Muscles can't tell the difference between machines and barbell&dumbbells? You bet they can't, but they can certainly tell the difference between the stimulus caused by a machine from the one caused by barbells&dumbbells. You're probably not awar of the recent studies done with MRI, which shows that far more muscle fibers are activated in a set of flat bench press than in a set of machine flyes. Not more fibers, but much more. Barbells require you to balance the weight, and that activates moe fibers and more nerve firing than what mahines do. Furthermore, with the exception of barbell and dumbbell curls, most barbell&dumbbell eercises are multi-joint, which means that they work several muscles at the same time, thus being more productive.
irrelevant, as dillet did use free weights but just didnt work hard enough on bringing up his weak points. dillet used both machines and free weights. and even if he had only used machines (which he didnt) he could have increased his torso mass had he worked hard enough on those body parts.
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I will just ignore this troll. That'll probably piss him off. ;)
SUCKMYMUSCLE
;D..why you posting then?...and im correct on every point i have written.
how does it feel to be wrong :-*
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;D..why you posting then?...and im correct on every point i have written.
how does it feel to be wrong :-*
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SMM do you mind me asking where you are from?