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What do you think about all of the conspiracy theories about the origins of our government, the involvement of the illuminati et al. Chemtrails, morgellons the NWO a single world currency the Bible etc. Where do you stand on all this? I ask as I know you're well informed on all this, all I know is what I read on the internet and curious to see your views. ANyone else want to chime in feel free of course.
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I've been researching this a little myself recently.
Personally I don't believe it's an illuminati like organisation, I think it's more about the wealthy 0.000000001% that control the direction of many countries.
For instance, free banking was destroyed by a single small collection of wealthy families such as Morgans and Rockefellers.
Rockefellers made millions off of wars, which if projected to todays wealth would be something over a trillion.
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you know... I've never had any interest in all in this stuff.
Even when I was all about politics 24/7, this stuff... well, history is written by the winners. And all that stuff is ancient history, hundreds of years old. Much like in the year 2200, our descendents will honestly believe Saddam had WMD. They'll remember the Bush admin very favorably. Cheney will be remembered as a tough warrior. Bush will be the gentle diplomat who acted only when provoked. Historical scrubbing. It'll happen. So any argument about what happened 300 years ago is pretty pointless and an exercise in futility, IMO.
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you know... I've never had any interest in all in this stuff.
Even when I was all about politics 24/7, this stuff... well, history is written by the winners. And all that stuff is ancient history, hundreds of years old. Much like in the year 2200, our descendents will honestly believe Saddam had WMD. They'll remember the Bush admin very favorably. Cheney will be remembered as a tough warrior. Bush will be the gentle diplomat who acted only when provoked. Historical scrubbing. It'll happen. So any argument about what happened 300 years ago is pretty pointless and an exercise in futility, IMO.
Still getting your daily intake of Fox News I see...
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Still getting your daily intake of Fox News I see...
LOL... obviously the war was started by greedy chickenhawks over lies. We all know that.
I'm just saying that in 200 years, people won't know that. They'll know what history books tell them. ANd the books will be written by the winners. Our descendents will get the FOX news version of events, not the truth.
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LOL... obviously the war was started by greedy chickenhawks over lies. We all know that.
I'm just saying that in 200 years, people won't know that. They'll know what history books tell them. ANd the books will be written by the winners. Our descendents will get the FOX news version of events, not the truth.
I have actually heard that from many a neocon. The reason is obvious. The idea, don't oppose it because your effort is futile in the larger picture of history--you're wasting your time in other words. But, that's pure bunk. It that were true, I could not go back through history and find bad kings, bad presidents, etc etc... It's just not true, the errors of many leaders are clearly in the books. It's beyond strange to think that Bush's mistakes will be magically erased, which is an idea that has been pushed on Fox and by various neocons. To get that accomplished, they're going to have to have a book burning that rivals Hitler's a thousand times over ;)
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LOL... obviously the war was started by greedy chickenhawks over lies. We all know that.
I'm just saying that in 200 years, people won't know that. They'll know what history books tell them. ANd the books will be written by the winners. Our descendents will get the FOX news version of events, not the truth.
funny, i wasnt born during the nixon era, but that dosn't mean im not aware that he was a complete fuck up. Word of mouth > any text book propaganda
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morgellons
Mike, what is the conspiracy theory w/Morgellons?
a single world currency the Bible etc.
I believe this will happen at some point.
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Mike, what is the conspiracy theory w/Morgellons?
I believe this will happen at some point.
Morgellons seems to be related to the chemtrails being sprayed in the air. I have personally witnessed crazy trails in the sky that take HOURS to dissipate, very inconsistent with typical steam or vapor trails left by jets. The theory is that the GOV is spraying these microfibers into the air to make it easier for airborne illnesses to spread around. Thus, if a super-virus is released, massive amounts of people will die. What worries me is bird flu, it's like you engineer and event, and get a predicatble response. There is a scare of a super virus and what do people do? They panic and line up by the millions to get stabbed in the arm with something they have no clue about. What's really in these flu shots? Who fucking knows??? I have never NOT ONCE gotten a flu shot and you know what? I NEVER get sick. It's been probably 5 years at least since I was seriously ill. When I get small colds, I'm over it in a day or two. I don't like the idea that all the gov has to do is say theres a potential pandemic, and people line up terrified to get shot with whatever theyre told will help them. It would be all to easy to wipe out millions of americans... ALso from what I've read the chemtrails are sprayed all over the world except china and the thought is that china is being groomed to be THE superpower, and it makes sense. Wipe out huge amounts of the free world, and pressing the RFID chips on people will be so much easier. Right now there are way too many free thinkers and christians to do it, we would rebel against the mark of the beast BUT knock out most of the worlds population and the rest are under the thumb of communist control and bam there you go chips for all and noone will say a fucking word about it.
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Morgellons seems to be related to the chemtrails being sprayed in the air. I have personally witnessed crazy trails in the sky that take HOURS to dissipate, very inconsistent with typical steam or vapor trails left by jets. The theory is that the GOV is spraying these microfibers into the air to make it easier for airborne illnesses to spread around. Thus, if a super-virus is released, massive amounts of people will die. What worries me is bird flu, it's like you engineer and event, and get a predicatble response. There is a scare of a super virus and what do people do? They panic and line up by the millions to get stabbed in the arm with something they have no clue about. What's really in these flu shots? Who fucking knows??? I have never NOT ONCE gotten a flu shot and you know what? I NEVER get sick. It's been probably 5 years at least since I was seriously ill. When I get small colds, I'm over it in a day or two. I don't like the idea that all the gov has to do is say theres a potential pandemic, and people line up terrified to get shot with whatever theyre told will help them. It would be all to easy to wipe out millions of americans... ALso from what I've read the chemtrails are sprayed all over the world except china and the thought is that china is being groomed to be THE superpower, and it makes sense. Wipe out huge amounts of the free world, and pressing the RFID chips on people will be so much easier. Right now there are way too many free thinkers and christians to do it, we would rebel against the mark of the beast BUT knock out most of the worlds population and the rest are under the thumb of communist control and bam there you go chips for all and noone will say a fucking word about it.
Dude, you're scaring me with this....
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Dude, you're scaring me with this....
No shit, the tinfoil hat manufacturers are making a killing right now
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Morgellons seems to be related to the chemtrails being sprayed in the air. I have personally witnessed crazy trails in the sky that take HOURS to dissipate, very inconsistent with typical steam or vapor trails left by jets. The theory is that the GOV is spraying these microfibers into the air to make it easier for airborne illnesses to spread around. Thus, if a super-virus is released, massive amounts of people will die. What worries me is bird flu, it's like you engineer and event, and get a predicatble response. There is a scare of a super virus and what do people do? They panic and line up by the millions to get stabbed in the arm with something they have no clue about. What's really in these flu shots? Who fucking knows??? I have never NOT ONCE gotten a flu shot and you know what? I NEVER get sick. It's been probably 5 years at least since I was seriously ill. When I get small colds, I'm over it in a day or two. I don't like the idea that all the gov has to do is say theres a potential pandemic, and people line up terrified to get shot with whatever theyre told will help them. It would be all to easy to wipe out millions of americans... ALso from what I've read the chemtrails are sprayed all over the world except china and the thought is that china is being groomed to be THE superpower, and it makes sense. Wipe out huge amounts of the free world, and pressing the RFID chips on people will be so much easier. Right now there are way too many free thinkers and christiansto do it, we would rebel against the mark of the beast BUT knock out most of the worlds population and the rest are under the thumb of communist control and bam there you go chips for all and noone will say a fucking word about it.
Actually re-reading your post, I noticed a slight mistake as there were two subjects mistakenly grouped together. There, I've corrected it.
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No shit, the tinfoil hat manufacturers are making a killing right now
You're far to trusting... the super elites aren't even close to being as innocent as you expect... Some conspiracies are bs, some are not, some are part true and part filled with misinformation. Did you know when misinformation is fed into a conspiracy from the source that it's almost always more extreme than the conspiracy? When that happens and a percentage of the most paranoid lock onto the new information, wow, that's gold to the conspirators, they know it then will never become mainstream--with so many people like you, gladly willing to mock at the slightest suggestion of plot...
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You're far to trusting... the super elites aren't even close to being as innocent as you expect... Some conspiracies are bs, some are not, some are part true and part filled with misinformation. Did you know when misinformation is fed into a conspiracy from the source that it's almost always more extreme than the conspiracy? When that happens and a percentage of the most paranoid lock onto the new information, wow, that's gold to the conspirators, they know it then will never become mainstream--with so many people like you, gladly willing to mock at the slightest suggestion of plot...
I'm not trusting to the elites. But I will admit I will apply logical and reason to what Mike posted.
Some of it I believe is on track, most of it isn't.
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I'm not trusting to the elites. But I will admit I will apply logical and reason to what Mike posted.
Some of it I believe is on track, most of it isn't.
reads far to trusting to me... If you only have them at willing to conspire to make money which is a big easily provable no shit.
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LOL... obviously the war was started by greedy chickenhawks over lies. We all know that.
I'm just saying that in 200 years, people won't know that. They'll know what history books tell them. ANd the books will be written by the winners. Our descendents will get the FOX news version of events, not the truth.
If the books are written by the winners, then why is JFK being constantly being disclosed as a not-so-great president?
And why didn't Winston Churchill, the epitomy of a winner, receive better publicity post World War II?
He's been scrutinized heavily.
If these legends faced great opposition, and great critisism, give me any reason why George W Bush won't get heavily critisized, just the way Nixon did?
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If the books are written by the winners, then why is JFK being constantly being disclosed as a not-so-great president?
JFK did some things - conceded some US advantages - that outraged many. Promised to break the CIA into a thousand pieces. I mean, that was the finger we had in the snatch of every country in the world, and he wanted to pull it out.
America 2007 would have been a lot poorer if JFK had kept us out of vietnam, and broken up the CIA, in my opinion.
And I sure don't think JFK "won" by any means :(
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If these legends faced great opposition, and great critisism, give me any reason why George W Bush won't get heavily critisized, just the way Nixon did?
Can you list 5 poor decisions made by Washington? By Lincoln?
In 200 years, wartime presidents are only remembered by the great things they did. Sure, historians will keep their ancient scripts and know. But 99.9% of the population - those reading social studies (history) books in middle school, will learn that Bush freed us from the oppressive arabs.
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Can you list 5 poor decisions made by Washington? By Lincoln?
In 200 years, wartime presidents are only remembered by the great things they did. Sure, historians will keep their ancient scripts and know. But 99.9% of the population - those reading social studies (history) books in middle school, will learn that Bush freed us from the oppressive arabs.
So what great thing did George W Bush do?
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So what great thing did George W Bush do?
***crickets*** ::)
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Can you list 5 poor decisions made by Washington? By Lincoln?
In 200 years, wartime presidents are only remembered by the great things they did. Sure, historians will keep their ancient scripts and know. But 99.9% of the population - those reading social studies (history) books in middle school, will learn that Bush freed us from the oppressive arabs.
epic run from the facts... Bush is no Washington/Lincoln The point you're so willingly missing is that there is no basis whatsoever to believe bad presidents don't go down in history as bad presidents. Bush easily meets if not surpasses the mistakes of these presidents and they all have gone down in the books, several of them from early America, as BAD presidents.
James Buchanan, Jimmy Carter, Warren G. Harding, Andrew Johnson, John Tyler, Nixon, Millard Fillmore, Herbert Hoover, Zachary Taylor
There is no "Auto forgiveness" other than in the delusions of neocons like that douchebag Kristol. Oh, if I remember right, off the starting line with this notion was Karl Rove. That people actually bought into the idea and passed it on is disturbing. The notion that war presidents go down more favorable might work some if it's a popular war, this war will never have the noble image of WWII. It will drag on and on and on and become the most unpopular war ever--fact.
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I'm not trusting to the elites. But I will admit I will apply logical and reason to what Mike posted.
Some of it I believe is on track, most of it isn't.
Well feel free to elaborate here do you think chemtrails are fact or fiction? Plots to wipe out free thinkers and leave mental slaves like the chinese? Illuminati NWO all of that?
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JFK did some things - conceded some US advantages - that outraged many. Promised to break the CIA into a thousand pieces. I mean, that was the finger we had in the snatch of every country in the world, and he wanted to pull it out.
America 2007 would have been a lot poorer if JFK had kept us out of vietnam, and broken up the CIA, in my opinion.
And I sure don't think JFK "won" by any means :(
bro, you always throw our wealth in there when discussing presidents and whatnot, well it's 2007 now, and we were in vietnam for a long while and it just so happens as of today we're in billions on top of trillions of debt...........so our gung ho mentality hasn't benefited you or me, but only the top of the elites'.
im still baffled when you bring up this country's wealth and what could of made us poor
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Well feel free to elaborate here do you think chemtrails are fact or fiction? Plots to wipe out free thinkers and leave mental slaves like the chinese? Illuminati NWO all of that?
Chemtrails, from what I know fiction. You made the assertion, therefore it's your responsibility to justify yourself.
I do believe there are a few powerful elites in the international scene that sway the way we live.
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What's the reason for "contrails" extending from horizon to horizon without disapating? Why do some planes grid these trails across large areas? I've watched them, going back and forth back and forth, what the hell are they doing? I've taken some pictures, zoomed in, close up, these are not normal contrails. I watched the plane that left this, it went back and forth back and forth in a grid. weird behavior that had me wonding WTF... I'm not putting some theory into this, all I'm saying is contrails use to disapate not long after left, now they seem quite different, I wonder why?
Click to enlarge:
(http://www.imagedonkey.com/out.php?i=21135_DSCN0085.JPG) (http://www.imagedonkey.com/show.php?img=21135_DSCN0085.JPG.html)
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Where's your science?
Mr. paranoid tinfoil hat man has a theory on something with no science... AGAIN! ::)
Come on guys, blatant paranoia is ridiculous.
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Read my post idiot, I said I don't have a theory! I don't need science to not have a theory. What I do have is memory that this shit didn't use to happen and it results in me asking WTF?
This, did, not, use, to, happen...
Things that make you go WTF...
(http://www.imagedonkey.com/out.php?i=21136_chemtrails.jpg)
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Picture is the result of increased air travel.
Of course something as logical as increased air traffic couldn't possibly be the reason, no no, it's has GOT to be something more seedy.
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Picture is the result of increased air travel.
Of course something as logical as increased air traffic couldn't possibly be the reason, no no, it's has GOT to be something more seedy.
How old are you? Your comment make ZERO sence... Do you have any concept of what a contrail looked like before the 90's? It has nothing to do with more planes being in the air, how the fuck would that effect a plane's contrail? It just means more planes are in the air ::) No shit huh ::) Why would a single plane at times go back and forth over an area crisscrossing in a grid, taking the long way home? ::) It's not uncommon for there to be questions asked when things change in an odd way... Fucking no shut huh..
Normal Contrail...
(http://www.imagedonkey.com/out.php?i=21139_389229934e698236ee5.jpg)
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The fact is simple, contrails NEVER, EVER use to bloom into larger trails, now they do. Period... It's not weird or tin-foil-hat to ask why.
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Sorry I meant to say "Picture COULD BE the result of increased air travel."
The other variables I could throw into the equation to back me up are: enviroment change, composition of atmosphere (due to enviroment change), changes in fuel and jet engine technology, changes in flying patterns.
All these variables seem more logical to ME than say a man made creation created to facilitate the spread of virus's/bacteria etc.
You've become an abusive little shit recently. What have you been taking?
Your comment make ZERO sence...
Could someone please translate this to English for me? I've never come across a sentance consisting of word coupling like this one.
Cheers!
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All these variables seem more logical to ME than say a man made creation created to facilitate the spread of virus's/bacteria etc.
Cheers!
Please show where I said it was to facilitate the spread of viruses/bacteria... How the fuck would I know that and why would I say it as fact with nothing to back it up. Your reasoned excuses require science. Well, post it up then... Of the two of us, you're the one with a theory... back it...
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Please show where I said it was to facilitate the spread of viruses/bacteria... How the fuck would I know that and why would I say it as fact with nothing to back it up. Your reasoned excuses require science. Well, post it up then... Of the two of us, you're the one with a theory... back it...
I blanketted you with Mike's assertions.
I'll come up with the science onces you show evidence that those AREN'T natural contrails.
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I blanketted you with Mike's assertions.
I'll come up with the science onces you show evidence that those AREN'T natural contrails.
Not sure why you "blanketted" me with Mike's assertions ::) But that's not going to cut it pal, you're the one with a theory. I'm the one with facts. These trails did NOT start exibiting these properties until sometime in the mid to late 90's. Their "natural" attributes were to disappear shortly after the plane pior to that. So the onus is on you since you're the one with the theory.
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I'm the one with facts. These trails did NOT start exibiting these properties until sometime in the mid to late 90's.
Right, is there any evidence to go with this fact?
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Read my post idiot, I said I don't have a theory! I don't need science to not have a theory. What I do have is memory that this shit didn't use to happen and it results in me asking WTF?
This, did, not, use, to, happen...
Things that make you go WTF...
(http://www.imagedonkey.com/out.php?i=21136_chemtrails.jpg)
Pretty cool pic. Those contrails seem low. I bet there is a explanation. Did you take this picture?
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Right, is there any evidence to go with this fact?
Yea, I was self-aware while you were still getting spanked by daddy... It's called visual observation... Looked like X,... Then no longer looked like X... It's called a fact ;) You want some visual confirmation, easy... Go rent some movies filmed in the 80's or before and find similar properties in the skys where planes can be observed... you can't. On the other hand, you can find example after example in current movies and just by going out and looking up.
Normal Contrail in the same sky as a "chemtrail"
(http://www.imagedonkey.com/out.php?i=21141_northyork3dec1006.jpg)
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Pretty cool pic. Those contrails seem low. I bet there is a explanation. Did you take this picture?
Not this one, but I do have some very close to it that I have taken. I also have watched a single plane turn back and make several paths like that. Although that's much less common. The most interesting ones, and the ones I am the most suspect of are planes that are traveling with a normal contrail, then instantly the normal contrail stops and a long path begins that spreads out without dissipating. This is very easy to see in Colorado and almost every time the contrail will go from normal to other than normal about 30 degrees from horizon approaching the mountains and go back to normal as it heads over the mountain range. The swipe goes fairly perfect over population. I have observed this many times. I have also observed a skip in the trail after it starts. So it will go from normal to solid, then have a couple skips where it seemed normal and go back to solid at the start and then continue in a long strip of solid trail. I can't help but notice that this same phenomena happens when legitimate spraying is done. You will often see a skip as the spraying starts. Just observations, I have no definite theory other than what I've observed forces me to ask questions. At times they also take on a brownish look which is really visible when it's against a normal cloud in the background
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Here is another interesting one. I took this picture. I had been watching these planes on this day lay out lines in a grid pattern up and down the front range in Colorado. The interesting thing is that you can see other jets go by with normal contrails. If you click this image open to full size, you can see in the lower part of the center of the frame, a jet with a normal contrail. All of the other cloud like lines were left by planes going back and forth in a near perfect grid. Why...
Click for full size:
(http://www.imagedonkey.com/out.php?i=21142_DSCN0092.JPG) (http://www.imagedonkey.com/out.php?i=21142_DSCN0092.JPG)
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yeah very strange. I wonder who have knowledge about contrails? Are there other conditions that might cause a jet to leave contrails at lower altitudes? Would it depend on moisture levels int he air and how they vary over a city or a patch of forest? Are these experimental aircraft? probably not, because most of that is done at Edwards.
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Flight patterns come to mind.
Image shows fuck all plus is slow as fuck to load too on my 20 Mbps line. ::)
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Here's another one I took... You can two planes... Although the second plane looked very odd, ufo lol? I'm sure it's a plane... The contrail is very light and leaves little trail, while the other went on to spred out very large.
(http://www.imagedonkey.com/out.php?i=21143_twoplanes.jpg) (http://www.imagedonkey.com/out.php?i=21143_twoplanes.jpg)
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yeah very strange. I wonder who have knowledge about contrails? Are there other conditions that might cause a jet to leave contrails at lower altitudes? Would it depend on moisture levels int he air and how they vary over a city or a patch of forest? Are these experimental aircraft? probably not, because most of that is done at Edwards.
Yes, there are conditions in which they can be formed like this naturally. The big problem is, it went from being a rarity to happening all the time starting around 1997... Plus, as much as Nordic would like to desperately write it off with the slightest suggestion of flight patterns, it does not explain why on one given day the flight patterns decide to be laid in an even grid for a hundred miles or why a plane would turn back and take several swipes over one area (rare) or how two jets flying at approximately the same alt would have one leaving a normal contrail and one leaving a solid contrail which I have also seen happen many times. Harder to get a photo of that because they're not usually close to eachother when they're at the same alt. So the times I see this, on plane will fly by and leave no trail, not long after another plane will fly through the same area, be visually about the same size (same alt) and leave an expanding trail.
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Yes, there are conditions in which they can be formed like this naturally. The big problem is, it went from being a rarity to happening all the time starting around 1997... Plus, as much as Nordic would like to desperately write it off with the slightest suggestion of flight patterns, it does not explain why on one given day the flight patterns decide to be laid in an even grid for a hundred miles or why a plane would turn back and take several swipes over one area (rare) or how two jets flying at approximately the same alt would have one leaving a normal contrail and one leaving a solid contrail which I have also seen happen many times. Harder to get a photo of that because they're not usually close to eachother when they're at the same alt. So the times I see this, on plane will fly by and leave no trail, not long after another plane will fly through the same area, be visually about the same size (same alt) and leave an expanding trail.
We don't always know if it's the same altitude as it may just seem that way on the ground.
Do they form a grid with more than 1 cell? like 4 x 4 or 16 by 16 or is it just 1 cell in the middle like the one pic i quoted of yours?
I can find out about the flight patters i have a friend who's been in the Air traffic control field for over 40 years.
I wonder if they are just flying training patterns and testing new fules or engines.
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I would also note that I lived in this area for several years in the 70's and 80's Lived near the air force base and loved to watch planes. Everytime one went over, I watched. They never,... never did this then. It was not until the late 90's that that this started and even then, not nearly as frequently as it happens now. I can go out and see it happen quite often now.
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I would also note that I lived in this area for several years in the 70's and 80's Lived near the air force base and loved to watch planes. Everytime one went over, I watched. They never,... never did this then. It was not until the late 90's that that this started and even then, not nearly as frequently as it happens now. I can go out and see it happen quite often now.
Where are you at? Colorado Springs by Cheyenne Mt.?
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We don't always know if it's the same altitude as it may just seem that way on the ground.
Do they form a grid with more than 1 cell? like 4 x 4 or 16 by 16 or is it just 1 cell in the middle like the one pic i quoted of yours?
I can find out about the flight patters i have a friend who's been in the Air traffic control field for over 40 years.
I wonder if they are just flying training patterns and testing new fules or engines.
There could be a reason. No I've seen the sky largly gridded up and down the front range as far as I can see. many many cells. Of course the grid is not perfect as some of the trails are really wide by the time the next line is laid so when they do that, it looks like a grid with various widths to the trails. Also, this is not normal, most often there isn't a pattern laid out like this, but they have done it several times. And again, the most odd is when the trail goes instantly from a normal contrail to solid. It's easy to see a trail with a starting and ending and when you catch it happen, it's immediate bloom of a solid thicker trail.
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Where are you at? Colorado Springs by Cheyenne Mt.?
I lived in colorado springs and fort collins when I was young in the 70's and 80's. Through the years I've moved up and down the front range. These images are not taken near the air force base.
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what explanation can there be for this shit? if they wanted to spread diseases. they would do it in a more secret mannor then spreading giant trails across the sky for everyone to see. and if they did use giant trails they would use something that would look clear in the sky, and naked to our eye.
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this thread only continues to live because the freemasons wish it to be so.
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what explanation can there be for this shit? if they wanted to spread diseases. they would do it in a more secret mannor then spreading giant trails across the sky for everyone to see. and if they did use giant trails they would use something that would look clear in the sky, and naked to our eye.
I have to agree with him.
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what explanation can there be for this shit? if they wanted to spread diseases. they would do it in a more secret mannor then spreading giant trails across the sky for everyone to see. and if they did use giant trails they would use something that would look clear in the sky, and naked to our eye.
I agree, I doubt this would be used to spread diseases... If there is anything going on here, it's probably weather modification which there is quite a bit of government data showing there is and has been a lot of work going on for a long long time.
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what explanation can there be for this shit? if they wanted to spread diseases. they would do it in a more secret mannor then spreading giant trails across the sky for everyone to see. and if they did use giant trails they would use something that would look clear in the sky, and naked to our eye.
Dude look at how the arguments go back and forth as it is, imagine your average joe just going to work everyday you think they even bother to think of this shit? At all? Doubtful. You could do it in plain view and noone would ever even notice.
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what explanation can there be for this shit? if they wanted to spread diseases. they would do it in a more secret mannor then spreading giant trails across the sky for everyone to see. and if they did use giant trails they would use something that would look clear in the sky, and naked to our eye.
I think this is one of the funniest things I have ever read. oh my god.
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I think this is one of the funniest things I have ever read. oh my god.
clear in the sky, and naked to our eye :D
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I think this is one of the funniest things I have ever read. oh my god.
its sounds gay, but you know what i mean.. is it really that funny?
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its sounds gay, but you know what i mean.. is it really that funny?
Yes.
I don't see the gayness...but now that you mention it...
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its sounds gay, but you know what i mean.. is it really that funny?
Well they are doing it in a secret manor :D "clear in the sky, and naked to our eye!!!" but you meant manner I'm sure :) lol... "if they wanted to spread diseases"!!! LOLOLOLOL....
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Well they are doing it in a secret manor :D "clear in the sky, and naked to our eye!!!" but you meant manner I'm sure :) lol... "if they wanted to spread diseases"!!! LOLOLOLOL....
People today just don't put a premium on spelling these days.
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People today just don't put a premium on spelling these days.
your a douche bag. did i spell that right?
people today, and these days, dont need to be used in the same sentance
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Well they are doing it in a secret manor :D "clear in the sky, and naked to our eye!!!" but you meant manner I'm sure :) lol... "if they wanted to spread diseases"!!! LOLOLOLOL....
In all fairness here, even many mundane things in the military are classified. So doing something in secret doesn't mean what they are doing some that involves malice. I'm sure there are more reasonable explanations for this. Besides, contaminate the drinking water if you want to spread a disease.
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you're a douche bag. did i spell that right?
people today, and these days, don't need to be used in the same sentence
nope... :D You have to admit, the words and misspelling came together perfect to make a funny post. Take it in stride, it's funny. Most of us have our slips too, it's just that yours came out hilarious.
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In all fairness here, even many mundane things in the military are classified. So doing something in secret doesn't mean what they are doing some that involves malice. I'm sure there are more reasonable explanations for this. Besides, contaminate the drinking water if you want to spread a disease.
I think you missed the comedy ;D It wasn't an attack on what he said, it was a laugh at how he said it. mannor is like the house, not manner... They're "doing it" in a secret manor :D Then mix in spreading diseases and clear in the sky and naked to our eye... LOLOLOL... ;D
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your a douche bag. did i spell that right?
people today, and these days, dont need to be used in the same sentance
douchebag is one word
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douchebag is one word
shit. ok i give up
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your a douche bag. did i spell that right?
people today, and these days, dont need to be used in the same sentance
No, you mispelled 'you're' and 'douchebag'. My favorite spelling of douchebag is 'kh300.'
Did I spell that right?
You also mispelled 'sentence'.
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I think you missed the comedy ;D It wasn't an attack on what he said, it was a laugh at how he said it. mannor is like the house, not manner... They're "doing it" in a secret manor :D Then mix in spreading diseases and clear in the sky and naked to our eye... LOLOLOL... ;D
ok lol derrrr ;D
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ya lets all gang up on kh300 :-\.
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ya lets all gang up on kh300 :-\.
come on, you have to think it's funny too ;D
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come on, you have to think it's funny too ;D
its cool.. keeps me busy while i wait to change flights. you should see how my wife rips on my spelling. she bought me a voice recorder because she couldn't read my notes i leave at home.. i have to use a portable spell checker to fill out reports, and i still fuck it up. its that bad, and im very educated which makes it even more pathetic.
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its cool.. keeps me busy while i wait to change flights. you should see how my wife rips on my spelling. she bought me a voice recorder because she couldn't read my notes i leave at home.. i have to use a portable spell checker to fill out reports, and i still fuck it up. its that bad, and im very educated which makes it even more pathetic.
no biggie, I use to be really bad too... I've gotten better but still have plenty of errors here and there.
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I agree, I doubt this would be used to spread diseases... If there is anything going on here, it's probably weather modification which there is quite a bit of government data showing there is and has been a lot of work going on for a long long time.
I finally talked to my friend in the FAA about those contrails and the grid pattern. Boulder, Denver, and Co, Springs are all Air space intersections. So a grid pattern wouldn't be unusual.
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I finally talked to my friend in the FAA about those contrails and the grid pattern. Boulder, Denver, and Co, Springs are all Air space intersections. So a grid pattern wouldn't be unusual.
Then what would be the reason it was not the same through the 70's and 80's and into the 90's... It was the same then yet I never saw any grids or expanding contrails that stretch from horizon to horizon. Did you watch that German chemtrail vid I posted?
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Tinfoil hats are in fashion I see.
What's the best brand of tinfoil hat? I wanna get a designer one.
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Then what would be the reason it was not the same through the 70's and 80's and into the 90's... It was the same then yet I never saw any grids or expanding contrails that stretch from horizon to horizon. Did you watch that German chemtrail vid I posted?
Air space changes all the time. They often have to change it because of increased traffic, different hubs for airlines etc.. My friend has worked in that field for over 20 years.
I think i watched it. I can't watch it again right now because my comp's sound card is whacked ever since my comp crashed a month ago, so my sound isn't working now.
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Tinfoil hats are in fashion I see.
What's the best brand of tinfoil hat? I wanna get a designer one.
why, do you feel crazy for seeing something you don't understand and asking what it is? Odd, maybe you are crazy, that sounds strange to me. I would think it natural to question oddities.
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why, do you feel crazy for seeing something you don't understand and asking what it is? Odd, maybe you are crazy, that sounds strange to me. I would think it natural to question oddities.
Personally I don't think these contrails you obsess over are un-natural.
But seriously, I'm shopping for a tinfoil hat, what brand do you go with?
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I'm sure if the contrails were Islamic somehow, Nordic would have many questions while he wears his hat....
;D ;D
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Air space changes all the time. They often have to change it because of increased traffic, different hubs for airlines etc.. My friend has worked in that field for over 20 years.
I think i watched it. I can't watch it again right now because my comp's sound card is whacked ever since my comp crashed a month ago, so my sound isn't working now.
Well how much can it change where there are Airforce bases and international airports? They were there then. Did they change their patterns so much so that I couldn't see this anywhere up or down the front range? Why on earth did I watch planes go over all the time with a short disapating contrail and never did I see one of these planes back then leave enlarging trails.
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Well how much can it change where there are Airforce bases and international airports? They were there then. Did they change their patterns so much so that I couldn't see this anywhere up or down the front range? Why on earth did I watch planes go over all the time with a short disapating contrail and never did I see one of these planes back then leave enlarging trails.
Air force bases and public bases do not typically share the same air space, and as air travel increase to and from an airport or even from an air base (such as when an airbase changes it's primary mission from let's a fighter base to a transport hub) they need to redo the airspace.
As far as size of trails, it could be reasons such as atmospheric conditions, flying at different altitudes (as you can probably surmise, air space is 3 dimensional), or type of jet engine.
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Also, I grew up around bases, and have seen enlarging contrails, in fact i saw one Wednesday when i was 40 miles east of San Francisco.
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Air force bases and public bases do not typically share the same air space, and as air travel increase to and from an airport or even from an air base (such as when an airbase changes it's primary mission from let's a fighter base to a transport hub) they need to redo the airspace.
As far as size of trails, it could be reasons such as atmospheric conditions, flying at different altitudes (as you can probably surmise, air space is 3 dimensional), or type of jet engine.
You didn't answer jack shit. We're going in circles here ::) save 3 diimensional BS for some kid ok.
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Also, I grew up around bases, and have seen enlarging contrails, in fact i saw one Wednesday when i was 40 miles east of San Francisco.
Did you see them routinely form these whacked out patterns back in the day? They're emerging all over the place now. People are noticing not just because they suddenly got the notion to look up recently. They notice because it's a big change. In that video you didn't watch, it's reported the German military admits to intentionally forming some of these expanding trails. So at least you can't say it's nothing everywhere and somehow I think it's less of a shock that we might be doing something similar. There's a point where you take debunking to far. At the point where you imagine any possible number of reasons. You can what if any subject to death. If this were a simple matter of changing engines or fuel or altitude, they would have pointed this simplicity out by now with facts. The only facts we have in this is that before it was not so, now it is so. Oh and the German mil confession.
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why, do you feel crazy for seeing something you don't understand and asking what it is? Odd, maybe you are crazy, that sounds strange to me. I would think it natural to question oddities.
Nordic's lack of respect for your mod status is sickening, Berserker!
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You didn't answer jack shit. We're going in circles here ::) save 3 diimensional BS for some kid ok.
What the FUCK are you talking about?
Where you out every single day, all day long as a kid logging down every visible contrail? Or are you making speculative assumptions based on incomplete information and lack of knowledge? And, when someone provides an answer, are you using that lack of knowledge to as a basis for challenging that answer?
Air space is 3 dimensional, private planes, like single engines Cessnas, can't fly above 18k, cannot fly in certain areas around airports, however, Passenger can fly above those same planes. Same with Military airspace.
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Did you see them routinely form these whacked out patterns back in the day? They're emerging all over the place now. People are noticing not just because they suddenly got the notion to look up recently. They notice because it's a big change. In that video you didn't watch, it's reported the German military admits to intentionally forming some of these expanding trails. So at least you can't say it's nothing everywhere and somehow I think it's less of a shock that we might be doing something similar. There's a point where you take debunking to far. At the point where you imagine any possible number of reasons. You can what if any subject to death. If this were a simple matter of changing engines or fuel or altitude, they would have pointed this simplicity out by now with facts. The only facts we have in this is that before it was not so, now it is so. Oh and the German mil confession.
There's a point where i take debunking too far? (If you remember right i reserved judgment until i talked to my friend about this)
This is from someone who has no clue or knowledge of Air space management.
This from someone who finds some obscure video on the youtube, who's credibility is surely worth questioning as anyone with final cut studio, (which i own) can voice-over clips and make it sound like anything they want AND convince the paranoid few that maybe the population of Colorado springs is getting secretly gassed.
Now how fucking stupid does that sound?
Hey did you know your water supply is vulnerable too?
How about your produce?
How about hidden messages in video games?
How about hidden messages in bill boards?
How about secret tunnels deep in Cheyenne mountain that even Norad doesn't know about?
How about sit coms programing us to be neo-cons?
Berserker at some point you need to apply some common sense especially when you get a legitimate answer.
Whacked out patterns?
It's an airspace intersection, do you even know what that means?
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an excuse me, if i don't take stock in these videos you and others like to post up.
Ever since that one you had me watch about JFK, just 10 minutes into i started checking out some of it's assertions and saw how they twisted and spun it and was leaving out important facts and manipulating the viewer to think certain things COMBINED with understanding now just how easy it is to put together clips and voice over video, i don't take too much stock in Youtube vids.
And you should do the same. Don't be afraid to look at actual explanations outside of paranoid view points.
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an excuse me, if i don't take stock in these videos you and others like to post up.
Ever since that one you had me watch about JFK, just 10 minutes into i started checking out some of it's assertions and saw how they twisted and spun it and was leaving out important facts and manipulating the viewer to think certain things COMBINED with understanding now just how easy it is to put together clips and voice over video, i don't take too much stock in Youtube vids.
And you should do the same. Don't be afraid to look at actual explanations outside of paranoid view points.
It's a news clip with a report, not a conspiracy video... ::)
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It's a news clip with a report, not a conspiracy video... ::)
and the JFK thing, I think I said when I posted it that I had issues with several things but I thought that it contained important information. If I picked apart everything that had some bad info I wouldn't be watching much of anything these days. I stick to the idea that you watch and read as much as you can on a subject from various sources and that gives one the best chance at finding a truth. This is how I've actually ended up debunking some popular conspiracy theories. I listened to everyone until a clear picture starts to build. The simple fact is that video is filled with facts that I haven't found anywhere else. The news reports for the day, the flight paths the alt from moment to moment, the plane switch in the off position, there are countless bits in there that are valid for anyone wanting to look into it. That video DOES contain important information.
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What the FUCK are you talking about?
Where you out every single day, all day long as a kid logging down every visible contrail? Or are you making speculative assumptions based on incomplete information and lack of knowledge? And, when someone provides an answer, are you using that lack of knowledge to as a basis for challenging that answer?
Air space is 3 dimensional, private planes, like single engines Cessnas, can't fly above 18k, cannot fly in certain areas around airports, however, Passenger can fly above those same planes. Same with Military airspace.
When I was young I watched the skys quite a bit. Had a pretty big passion for air and space so yes I'm not totally talking out my ass OZMO... I have some valid observations from a region I'm familar with since the 70's...
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There's a point where i take debunking too far? (If you remember right i reserved judgment until i talked to my friend about this)
This is from someone who has no clue or knowledge of Air space management.
This from someone who finds some obscure video on the youtube, who's credibility is surely worth questioning as anyone with final cut studio, (which i own) can voice-over clips and make it sound like anything they want AND convince the paranoid few that maybe the population of Colorado springs is getting secretly gassed.
Now how fucking stupid does that sound?
Hey did you know your water supply is vulnerable too?
How about your produce?
How about hidden messages in video games?
How about hidden messages in bill boards?
How about secret tunnels deep in Cheyenne mountain that even Norad doesn't know about?
How about sit coms programing us to be neo-cons?
Berserker at some point you need to apply some common sense especially when you get a legitimate answer.
Whacked out patterns?
It's an airspace intersection, do you even know what that means?
What the fuck are YOU talking about... I didn't say jack fucking shit about being positive about what this is in any way. The fact is I don't fucking know what it is. I know I think it's worth investigation and worth listening to the possible causes ::)
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It's a news clip with a report, not a conspiracy video... ::)
ok, so? This video is proof the government is secretly gassing Colorado Springs and that outweighs the fact Co. Springs sits under an airspace intersection?
When I was young I watched the skys quite a bit. Had a pretty big passion for air and space so yes I'm not totally talking out my ass OZMO... I have some valid observations from a region I'm familar with since the 70's...
And this takes credibility over the process of scientific study and Air space management knowledge? not to mention atmospheric conditions....ok....
and the JFK thing, I think I said when I posted it that I had issues with several things but I thought that it contained important information. If I picked apart everything that had some bad info I wouldn't be watching much of anything these days. I stick to the idea that you watch and read as much as you can on a subject from various sources and that gives one the best chance at finding a truth. This is how I've actually ended up debunking some popular conspiracy theories. I listened to everyone until a clear picture starts to build. The simple fact is that video is filled with facts that I haven't found anywhere else. The news reports for the day, the flight paths the alt from moment to moment, the plane switch in the off position, there are countless bits in there that are valid for anyone wanting to look into it. That video DOES contain important information.
I bet in the end it doesn't. I bet most of it comes down to speculation and not reveling related facts. But since you suffered through that piece of mostly fictitious crap I'll have to take your word for it, which i consider far more credible.
What the fuck are YOU talking about... I didn't say jack fucking shit about being positive about what this is in any way. The fact is I don't fucking know what it is. I know I think it's worth investigation and worth listening to the possible causes ::)
True, you haven't said it directly, but you are implying something foul is going on and now even in the presence of a reasonable explanation.
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ok, so? This video is proof the government is secretly gassing Colorado Springs and that outweighs the fact Co. Springs sits under an airspace intersection?
Where the hell did I say that ::) The news report that you don't want to watch says nothing about gasing anyone ::)And this takes credibility over the process of scientific study and Air space management knowledge? not to mention atmospheric conditions....ok....
I bet in the end it doesn't. I bet most of it comes down to speculation and not reveling related facts. But since you suffered through that piece of mostly fictitious crap I'll have to take your word for it, which i consider far more credible.
True, you haven't said it directly, but you are implying something foul is going on and now even in the presence of a reasonable explanation.
What the fuck ever you want Ozmo ::)
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Where the hell did I say that ::) The news report that you don't want to watch says nothing about gasing anyone ::)What the fuck ever you want Ozmo ::)
So you are not implying anything foul is going on?
What I do have is memory that this shit didn't use to happen and it results in me asking WTF?
This, did, not, use, to, happen...
Things that make you go WTF...
Followed by:
Do you have any concept of what a contrail looked like before the 90's? It has nothing to do with more planes being in the air, how the fuck would that effect a plane's contrail? It just means more planes are in the air Roll Eyes No shit huh Roll Eyes Why would a single plane at times go back and forth over an area crisscrossing in a grid, taking the long way home? Roll Eyes It's not uncommon for there to be questions asked when things change in an odd way... Fucking no shut huh..
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The fact is simple, contrails NEVER, EVER use to bloom into larger trails, now they do. Period... It's not weird or tin-foil-hat to ask why.
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So it will go from normal to solid, then have a couple skips where it seemed normal and go back to solid at the start and then continue in a long strip of solid trail. I can't help but notice that this same phenomena happens when legitimate spraying is done. You will often see a skip as the spraying starts. Just observations, I have no definite theory other than what I've observed forces me to ask questions. At times they also take on a brownish look which is really visible when it's against a normal cloud in the background
So you are not implying anything or are you? which is it?
Or is it that you won't take a "normal" explanation, only something that smells of conspiracy?
Let's look at more you to say on the matter....
Here's another one I took... You can two planes... Although the second plane looked very odd, ufo lol? I'm sure it's a plane... The contrail is very light and leaves little trail, while the other went on to spred out very large.
sorry, have to comment on this one, in referring to the pic you posted with it. So from the pic or even while it's happening you can tell the relative altitude of each plane? And you can also tell the atmospheric conditions at both altitudes? With out being there? And without instruments? Cool.
Or you think that atmospheric conditions at different altitudes don't make a difference in how contrails form and react after they form? yeah right.
another great example of your human altitude measuring device. Is it genetic?
or how two jets flying at approximately the same alt would have one leaving a normal contrail and one leaving a solid contrail which I have also seen happen many times
I would also note that I lived in this area for several years in the 70's and 80's Lived near the air force base and loved to watch planes. Everytime one went over, I watched. They never,... never did this then. It was not until the late 90's that that this started and even then, not nearly as frequently as it happens now. I can go out and see it happen quite often now.
Do you think air travel has increased or decreased from the 70's and 80's to now?
Do you think the way they traffic planes might have changed due to advances in technology?
Perhaps they can traffic more planes in a given space becuase they can more safely keep them apart?
Could this be why there are more planes in the "airspace intersection" versus in the 70's and 80's:
http://www.faa.gov/about/office_org/headquarters_offices/ato/service_units/enroute/rvsm/ (http://www.faa.gov/about/office_org/headquarters_offices/ato/service_units/enroute/rvsm/)
Sorry Berserker, nothing unusual that can't be explained here.
Maybe in the end i did need to save the "3-dimensional BS" for you and not some kid.
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you know... I've never had any interest in all in this stuff.
Even when I was all about politics 24/7, this stuff... well, history is written by the winners. And all that stuff is ancient history, hundreds of years old. Much like in the year 2200, our descendents will honestly believe Saddam had WMD. They'll remember the Bush admin very favorably. Cheney will be remembered as a tough warrior. Bush will be the gentle diplomat who acted only when provoked. Historical scrubbing. It'll happen. So any argument about what happened 300 years ago is pretty pointless and an exercise in futility, IMO.
no. books like th peoples history of the united states are aroun now, so im sure in the future it will be much more illuminated than what you think.