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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: Livewire on October 29, 2007, 10:51:38 AM
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RIDICULOUS vascularity and probably the cleanest he's ever looked.
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i think all getbig competitors in the competition you had here would place infront of him in a competition the way he look in this picture and he is ON HORMONES THERE but its called "under ground you never know what you get beggining of a cycle kinda thing" as you can tell it was the wrong chinease under ground garbage that time around..
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Well, I meant cleanest as in hardly any makeup. ;D
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Well, I meant cleanest as in hardly any makeup. ;D
LMAO, yes I only see a tiny bit of eyeliner there.
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i think all getbig competitors in the competition you had here would place infront of him in a competition the way he look in this picture and he is ON HORMONES THERE but its called "under ground you never know what you get beggining of a cycle kinda thing" as you can tell it was the wrong chinease under ground garbage that time around..
GH15 you have just revealed yourself as a fraud!
That's it, it is now beyond a shadow of doubt official...you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about.
You clowns that worship this guy, God save you.
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GH15 you have just revealed yourself as a fraud!
That's it, it is now beyond a shadow of doubt official...you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about.
You clowns that worship this guy, God save you.
Care to explain?
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Dave said he eat ramen noodles for carbs most of the time. He had no gear for 4months and he is still pretty big.
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Dave is without a doubt, one of the ugliest mofo's on earth...
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its just as easy to get gear inside prison as it is outside prison
im guessing he was on something
you wanna see what a completely clean guy looks like..look at titus, thats a 23 hour lock down body
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Yawn. Old pic, old news.
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GH15 you have just revealed yourself as a fraud!
That's it, it is now beyond a shadow of doubt official...you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about.
You clowns that worship this guy, God save you.
when you claim someone is fraud you need to prove it,,or not! in getbig case..
in any case i have every idea in the world what i am talking about,,take a look at palumbo now days reduce 30-40 lb and that is what he would look 3 years off hormones since even today he is on good amount,,no wneed to argue with me on that one
about the fraud thing,,,,when i read somewhere that you said that a local personal buyer of chinease garbage got busted is where i knew you are out of your mind and have a dealing interest in hormones,,personal users who buy 2-3 vials test once every couple months do not have interest in le and le dont have interest in them..just so you know my friend..that is when you lost YOUR CREDEBILITY ,,even if you do it to keep people safe! that is a misleading because the local guy you knew was a dealer ,,local one but that is why he was arrested! buying from china poweders,,cooking it in your kithcen ,,,buying conversion kits,,,and you well deserved of an arrest and THAT is why he was arrested with out being a major "lab operator",,le do not arrest people that have 1 vial of test on them unless other drugs found around such as narcotics and pain killers they also only doing under controlled deliveries or when they can get it on you as in traffic stop egym busting etc,,le dont arrest people for the sake of arresting unless they had interest and dealt even local ones and that was your "buddys" case,,,,just clarifying things for you mr moderator so you dont mislead the 21 year old that bought 3 vials
now! for you to moderate this place with out the immidiate banning of steve ray is risky for the getbig board so get back to your job and dont tell me wether i have credability or not
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I wonder what he was consumed on a daily basis in prison ???
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hes only on creatine there.
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its just as easy to get gear inside prison as it is outside prison
im guessing he was on something
you wanna see what a completely clean guy looks like..look at titus, thats a 23 hour lock down body
Ah yes and you are of course the prison expert ::)
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I wonder what he was consumed on a daily basis in prison ???
500 ml of manjuice 6x\day taken orally and in supposatory form. :-X
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That stupid plastic-looking sword on the wall makes his house look like a child's bedroom.
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FUCK YO UCLOWNS TALKIGN SHIT ABOUT DAVE HES MORE SUCCESSFUL THEN YOU TERDS WILL EVER BE !
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FUCK YO UCLOWNS TALKIGN SHIT ABOUT DAVE HES MORE SUCCESSFUL THEN YOU TERDS WILL EVER BE !
Derek,
What makes Dave more successful than anyone here? Honestly, is it the man's criminal record? Maybe it's his inability to make it to the pro level? If you consider a bullshit stint as an "internet" radio co-host and making diets, for a bunch of 2nd and 3rd tier pros, success, you must be joking yourself...
Maybe it's his fine taste in women? Whatever the hell her name is looks more manlier than he does. Maybe it's his stunning good looks coupled with that full head of implanted hair along with his tatoo'ed eye brows and eye makeup?
Really, what is it Derek?
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i thought his prison name was miss muscles
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Derek,
What makes Dave more successful than anyone here? Honestly, is it the man's criminal record? Maybe it's his inability to make it to the pro level? If you consider a bullshit stint as an "internet" radio co-host and making diets, for a bunch of 2nd and 3rd tier pros, success, you must be joking yourself...
Maybe it's his fine taste in women? Whatever the hell her name is looks more manlier than he does. Maybe it's his stunning good looks coupled with that full head of implanted hair along with his tatoo'ed eye brows and eye makeup?
Really, what is it Derek?
that's some tough question, dude ;D
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I think the action figures on the top of the tv make his place look like a childs bedroom more than the gay sword does.
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I think the action figures on the top of the tv make his place look like a childs bedroom more than the gay sword does.
they probably couldn't fit in his racecar bed.
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Derek,
What makes Dave more successful than anyone here? Honestly, is it the man's criminal record? Maybe it's his inability to make it to the pro level? If you consider a bullshit stint as an "internet" radio co-host and making diets, for a bunch of 2nd and 3rd tier pros, success, you must be joking yourself...
Maybe it's his fine taste in women? Whatever the hell her name is looks more manlier than he does. Maybe it's his stunning good looks coupled with that full head of implanted hair along with his tatoo'ed eye brows and eye makeup?
Really, what is it Derek?
ouch!
OneMoreRep always says what everyone else is thinking.
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How long had he been in jail?
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How long had he been in jail?
5 months for knowingly selling fake GH
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2 things
for one i think he could have held on to most of his size IF he got off of everything before going to prison and got his hormones regulated back to a natural state
number 2 if he is on anything there its not much. he seems to have a fast metabolism so he will always be pretty lean and vascular. if he eat clean and took in large amounts of protein like i am sure he did i can honestly see this
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2 things
for one i think he could have held on to most of his size IF he got off of everything before going to prison and got his hormones regulated back to a natural state
number 2 if he is on anything there its not much. he seems to have a fast metabolism so he will always be pretty lean and vascular. if he eat clean and took in large amounts of protein like i am sure he did i can honestly see this
Sorry but size put on by the use of an enormous amount of steroids is not maintainable by any natural means !
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Derek,
What makes Dave more successful than anyone here? Honestly, is it the man's criminal record? Maybe it's his inability to make it to the pro level? If you consider a bullshit stint as an "internet" radio co-host and making diets, for a bunch of 2nd and 3rd tier pros, success, you must be joking yourself...
Maybe it's his fine taste in women? Whatever the hell her name is looks more manlier than he does. Maybe it's his stunning good looks coupled with that full head of implanted hair along with his tatoo'ed eye brows and eye makeup?
Really, what is it Derek?
Palumbo diet = Lower your carbs, get in some food healthy fats, drink some shakes. Rocket science, I'd say.
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Prison keeps you healthy!
I think he stated he said he lived on cans of tuna in prison. He worked in the kitchen.
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when you claim someone is fraud you need to prove it,,or not! in getbig case..
in any case i have every idea in the world what i am talking about,,take a look at palumbo now days reduce 30-40 lb and that is what he would look 3 years off hormones since even today he is on good amount,,no wneed to argue with me on that one
I'll give you this, perhaps "fraud" wasn't the right word, after all, you're right, I have no idea who you are. However when you make statements like this, for example, how much gear Dave is on, that he's using Chinese underground garbage, this is what I'm calling you on. Do you know these things for fact? Have you talked to him about this? The answer is no, or you wouldn't be saying these things...how do I know this? Well, it shouldn't be that hard to figure out.
about the fraud thing,,,,when i read somewhere that you said that a local personal buyer of chinease garbage got busted is where i knew you are out of your mind and have a dealing interest in hormones,,personal users who buy 2-3 vials test once every couple months do not have interest in le and le dont have interest in them..just so you know my friend..that is when you lost YOUR CREDEBILITY ,,even if you do it to keep people safe! that is a misleading because the local guy you knew was a dealer ,,local one but that is why he was arrested! buying from china poweders,,cooking it in your kithcen ,,,buying conversion kits,,,and you well deserved of an arrest and THAT is why he was arrested with out being a major "lab operator",,le do not arrest people that have 1 vial of test on them unless other drugs found around such as narcotics and pain killers they also only doing under controlled deliveries or when they can get it on you as in traffic stop egym busting etc,,le dont arrest people for the sake of arresting unless they had interest and dealt even local ones and that was your "buddys" case,,,,just clarifying things for you mr moderator so you dont mislead the 21 year old that bought 3 vials
First let me clarify, I have no dealing interest. Several people on this board know me in "real" life or have at least met me and can back this up
As for the guy you're referring to, there was a little more to him then I think you're aware of...this was not some 2bit gym dealer. Further, for whatever it's worth, yes, some of his powders were from China, but a lot of it was not. He also dealt in pharmaceutical grade AAS quite a bit...obviously that stuff he did not make himself, since it was made in a licensed pharmacy. The stuff that fell under his UGL label, many people will attest that it was the "cleanest' on the market...why? Because of the nature and where it was made (not in his bathtub) and by who he had helping him make it. Further, like you always say, most UGL's are complete garbage, and I agree...but even you yourself have said that there are a very small minority of UGL's out there that are good...he fell into this very small category...you don't last nearly 20yrs in that game if your not.
now! for you to moderate this place with out the immidiate banning of steve ray is risky for the getbig board so get back to your job and dont tell me wether i have credability or not
I guess you don't know this, but moderators on this board do not have banning power...that's left to Ron. And as we all know he is very liberal about who he lets stay here...so that is out of my hands. However, several people have already approached him about this guy, so that should be taken care of very soon.
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Sorry but size put on by the use of an enormous amount of steroids is not maintainable by any natural means !
this is simply not true at all. everyone is different. if you get sick then yes you will lose a ton of muscle but if you come off right and get your hormones back to normal,,eat right keep training-(which many won't do off of the juice) train right-keep volume appropriate for being clean and get enough sleep you will hold on to muscle.
i know guys that have maintained 30-40lbs they would have never had if they hadn't juiced for years.
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this is simply not true at all. everyone is different. if you get sick then yes you will lose a ton of muscle but if you come off right and get your hormones back to normal,,eat right keep training-(which many won't do off of the juice) train right-keep volume appropriate for being clean and get enough sleep you will hold on to muscle.
i know guys that have maintained 30-40lbs they would have never had if they hadn't juiced for years.
8) You my friend are misinformed ! You come off the juice and lose the size ! And there is no mythicle difference ! If you need it to gain it you will need it to maintain it ! The only exception are the guys who start juicing before ever training clean ! then they will maintain whet they could have acheived natually anyway !
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;D Better watch who your insulting ! I heard DERRICK is a MADE MAN in the MUSCLE MOB ! ::)
Hey BOSS...Don't you mean "MAID MAN"? Then again, Derek doesn't know how to spell correctly so he wouldn't know the difference... :-\
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Hey BOSS...Don't you mean "MAID MAN"? Then again, Derek doesn't know how to spell correctly so he wouldn't know the difference... :-\
;D Made (MAID) in BOTH ways !
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8) You my friend are misinformed ! You come off the juice and lose the size ! And there is no mythicle difference ! If you need it to gain it you will need it to maintain it ! The only exception are the guys who start juicing before ever training clean ! then they will maintain whet they could have acheived natually anyway !
i can't agree. i won't get into it but i am an example of how much you can maintain after coming off of everything. sure you are going to lose and perhaps gain alittle fat but its all about training eating right and getting enough rest
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FUCK YO UCLOWNS TALKIGN SHIT ABOUT DAVE HES MORE SUCCESSFUL THEN YOU TERDS WILL EVER BE !
hes an ex con
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Well, I meant cleanest as in hardly any makeup. ;D
Nice plucked eyebrows!
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i can't agree. i won't get into it but i am an example of how much you can maintain after coming off of everything. sure you are going to lose and perhaps gain alittle fat but its all about training eating right and getting enough rest
8) well Ive been involved with this for 25 years and never seen the exception ! And the countless ex users and old pros seem to bear witness to my claims ! It wouldnt make sence at all if you need it to gain it that you wouldnt need it to maintian it !
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FUCK YO UCLOWNS TALKIGN SHIT ABOUT DAVE HES MORE SUCCESSFUL THEN YOU TERDS WILL EVER BE !
Dave's alright, but you're a complete idiot. Really, you have to be the most clueless person posting on bodybuilding forums anywhere... I have never seen someone so willing to make an ass out of themselves. Nobody has been easier to goat into self destructive posting than you. By now I would have thought you'd get some clue,... nope.
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FUCK YO UCLOWNS TALKIGN SHIT ABOUT DAVE HES MORE SUCCESSFUL THEN YOU TERDS WILL EVER BE !
Epic meltdown! :o
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Dave's alright, but you're a complete idiot. Really, you have to be the most clueless person posting on bodybuilding forums anywhere... I have never seen someone so willing to make an ass out of themselves. Nobody has been easier to goat into self destructive posting than you. By now I would have thought you'd get some clue,... nope.
8) He is a piece of work isnt he ! He used GAYNESS in derogatory ways and then makes a living doing GFP and claims he likes gay people and the way they treat him ! I dont care what he does personally but why the hypocrisy ! Its bizzar !
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Is that his bedroom in his mom's house?
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Doesn't everyone have fake swords hanging in their house ???
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8) well Ive been involved with this for 25 years and never seen the exception ! And the countless ex users and old pros seem to bear witness to my claims ! It wouldnt make sence at all if you need it to gain it that you wouldnt need it to maintian it !
i am not saying you will hold on to everything ...you will hold to most and you will be bigger than if you never used anything. i am sorry that in your 25yrs you have never seen this
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when you claim someone is fraud you need to prove it,,or not! in getbig case..
in any case i have every idea in the world what i am talking about,,take a look at palumbo now days reduce 30-40 lb and that is what he would look 3 years off hormones since even today he is on good amount,,no wneed to argue with me on that one
about the fraud thing,,,,when i read somewhere that you said that a local personal buyer of chinease garbage got busted is where i knew you are out of your mind and have a dealing interest in hormones,,personal users who buy 2-3 vials test once every couple months do not have interest in le and le dont have interest in them..just so you know my friend..that is when you lost YOUR CREDEBILITY ,,even if you do it to keep people safe! that is a misleading because the local guy you knew was a dealer ,,local one but that is why he was arrested! buying from china poweders,,cooking it in your kithcen ,,,buying conversion kits,,,and you well deserved of an arrest and THAT is why he was arrested with out being a major "lab operator",,le do not arrest people that have 1 vial of test on them unless other drugs found around such as narcotics and pain killers they also only doing under controlled deliveries or when they can get it on you as in traffic stop egym busting etc,,le dont arrest people for the sake of arresting unless they had interest and dealt even local ones and that was your "buddys" case,,,,just clarifying things for you mr moderator so you dont mislead the 21 year old that bought 3 vials
now! for you to moderate this place with out the immidiate banning of steve ray is risky for the getbig board so get back to your job and dont tell me wether i have credability or not
These are some bold statements made with zero backup. To call the man a steroid dealer is way out of line and inappropriate for this board. I know AJ and in no way is he connected to dealing steroids, just cause he mods that board does not make him a dealer. Being a hormone user yourself GH15 I would think you would have used more restraint and discretion. I know who you are you are a former European competitor who has not stepped on stage in many years and to make comments like this about other competitors is way out of line.
Dave P has had his problems but you cant deny his love for BB. He works hard to put out the best info he can and has done a lot for this sport.
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I'll give you this, perhaps "fraud" wasn't the right word, after all, you're right, I have no idea who you are. However when you make statements like this, for example, how much gear Dave is on, that he's using Chinese underground garbage, this is what I'm calling you on. Do you know these things for fact? Have you talked to him about this? The answer is no, or you wouldn't be saying these things...how do I know this? Well, it shouldn't be that hard to figure out.
First let me clarify, I have no dealing interest. Several people on this board know me in "real" life or have at least met me and can back this up
As for the guy you're referring to, there was a little more to him then I think you're aware of...this was not some 2bit gym dealer. Further, for whatever it's worth, yes, some of his powders were from China, but a lot of it was not. He also dealt in pharmaceutical grade AAS quite a bit...obviously that stuff he did not make himself, since it was made in a licensed pharmacy. The stuff that fell under his UGL label, many people will attest that it was the "cleanest' on the market...why? Because of the nature and where it was made (not in his bathtub) and by who he had helping him make it. Further, like you always say, most UGL's are complete garbage, and I agree...but even you yourself have said that there are a very small minority of UGL's out there that are good...he fell into this very small category...you don't last nearly 20yrs in that game if your not.
I guess you don't know this, but moderators on this board do not have banning power...that's left to Ron. And as we all know he is very liberal about who he lets stay here...so that is out of my hands. However, several people have already approached him about this guy, so that should be taken care of very soon.
you left me speechless since after thinking about it youre right,,smart guys are hard to find and i know you got no interest in dealing it was a way of saying you knew this and that but it came out wrong after reading my broken english coupel times again,,no one that is participating on getbig regularly has any connection to the mess that is going on with undeground chinease garbage otherwize you wouldnt find him here posting,,
there are morons around the block.. youre not one of them so my applogies
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These are some bold statements made with zero backup. To call the man a steroid dealer is way out of line and inappropriate for this board. I know AJ and in no way is he connected to dealing steroids, just cause he mods that board does not make him a dealer. Being a hormone user yourself GH15 I would think you would have used more restraint and discretion. I know who you are you are a former European competitor who has not stepped on stage in many years and to make comments like this about other competitors is way out of line.
Dave P has had his problems but you cant deny his love for BB. He works hard to put out the best info he can and has done a lot for this sport.
dont think he need your defense he seem pretty good with his own defenses
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2 things
for one i think he could have held on to most of his size IF he got off of everything before going to prison and got his hormones regulated back to a natural state
number 2 if he is on anything there its not much. he seems to have a fast metabolism so he will always be pretty lean and vascular. if he eat clean and took in large amounts of protein like i am sure he did i can honestly see this
Or he plugged several grams of test undecanoate before going in. This would give you above average test levels for a couple of months at least.
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First, do not accuse someone of having anything to do with dealing steroids if they are not. It shows your lack of knowledge, and is a little uncool. Especially if it is Arnold Jr. which has nothing to do with that.
Second, Dave in that picture isnt bad. So he was in jail, so he is an ex-con, life goes on. He get caught, did his time, etc. It wasnt a violent crime, he didn't assault, attack, physically hurt someone. So let it be already. Dave loves the sport of bodybuilding, gets paid to do a job, and that is that. You want to keep complaining on Dave, do it on MD's site.
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brutal childlike fantasies with the dungeons and dragons sword and little collectible car still mint in the package on the shelf :D
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First, do not accuse someone of having anything to do with dealing steroids if they are not. It shows your lack of knowledge, and is a little uncool. Especially if it is Arnold Jr. which has nothing to do with that.
Second, Dave in that picture isnt bad. So he was in jail, so he is an ex-con, life goes on. He get caught, did his time, etc. It wasnt a violent crime, he didn't assault, attack, physically hurt someone. So let it be already. Dave loves the sport of bodybuilding, gets paid to do a job, and that is that. You want to keep complaining on Dave, do it on MD's site.
I follow you on Dave, but I reserve the right to bitch about Romano here ;D
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about the fraud thing,,,,when i read somewhere that you said that a local personal buyer of chinease garbage got busted is where i knew you are out of your mind and have a dealing interest in hormones,,personal users who buy 2-3 vials test once every couple months do not have interest in le and le dont have interest in them..just so you know my friend..that is when you lost YOUR CREDEBILITY ,,even if you do it to keep people safe! that is a misleading because the local guy you knew was a dealer ,,local one but that is why he was arrested! buying from china poweders,,cooking it in your kithcen ,,,buying conversion kits,,,and you well deserved of an arrest and THAT is why he was arrested with out being a major "lab operator",,le do not arrest people that have 1 vial of test on them unless other drugs found around such as narcotics and pain killers they also only doing under controlled deliveries or when they can get it on you as in traffic stop egym busting etc,,le dont arrest people for the sake of arresting unless they had interest and dealt even local ones and that was your "buddys" case,,,,just clarifying things for you mr moderator so you dont mislead the 21 year old that bought 3 vials
That's a bold statement to make with zero evidence. I personally know Arnold & would consider him a friend. With that said I can tell you he's not a dealer in anyway (nor am I).
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These are some bold statements made with zero backup. To call the man a steroid dealer is way out of line and inappropriate for this board. I know AJ and in no way is he connected to dealing steroids, just cause he mods that board does not make him a dealer. Being a hormone user yourself GH15 I would think you would have used more restraint and discretion. I know who you are you are a former European competitor who has not stepped on stage in many years and to make comments like this about other competitors is way out of line.
Dave P has had his problems but you cant deny his love for BB. He works hard to put out the best info he can and has done a lot for this sport.
Nice post.
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when you claim someone is fraud you need to prove it,,or not! in getbig case..
in any case i have every idea in the world what i am talking about,,take a look at palumbo now days reduce 30-40 lb and that is what he would look 3 years off hormones since even today he is on good amount,,no wneed to argue with me on that one
about the fraud thing,,,,when i read somewhere that you said that a local personal buyer of chinease garbage got busted is where i knew you are out of your mind and have a dealing interest in hormones,,
If AJ had a interest in dealing Im sure he'd have offerd me (as others have) as he knows who and where I am
and that Ive used the stuff for years. He never has tried that, hes simply passionate about BBing as you and I are also.
GH15 many are uncomfortable w/ your theories, but you have credibility IMO.
THATS WHY IT IMPORTANT TO BE A LITTLE MORE CAREFULL W/ THE KEYBOARD ABOUT ANYTHING LOOK LIKE ACCUSATION.
English dont look like your fist language and Im real familiar w/ the problems and missunderstandings that can cause.
Now we get a big argument between some of the only few on GB that actually know the difference between
prednisone and parabolin. Most here onGB are assmonkeys. Lets keep the AAS talk usefull for those intersested and in the
mist of a Trauma of fear on their first cycles.
Also the idea that LE is harmless to users is not necessarily so. You can get in big shit inthe USA off just a unlucky traffic stop, the wife or GF get pissed and call LE.
ALso it remains to be seen if theis is not the start of some Zero Tollerance on AAS from on high for the remainder of the Bush regime, untill some commons sense prevails. That can take decades in US ploitics.
Now For all YOu LE readin' - Myself, Ive never used illegal AAS in the USA. All a scrip or done it a "Free Country".
Ya All's free to stop for a workout and doughnuts. I got no fear of ya. Thats why I post freely here. Fun.
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8) You my friend are misinformed ! You come off the juice and lose the size ! And there is no mythicle difference ! If you need it to gain it you will need it to maintain it ! The only exception are the guys who start juicing before ever training clean ! then they will maintain whet they could have acheived natually anyway !
Tell that to the 30-40 permanet lbs I keep off steroids for YEAR off, even sick with the flu or otherwise run down as bad as I can.
talk about what you know about, sucking dick or somthing.
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Luv, Ron, Rim and Trab, thanks. Always keep the truth at the front!
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Tell that to the 30-40 permanet lbs I keep off steroids for YEAR off, even sick with the flu or otherwise run down as bad as I can.
talk about what you know about, sucking dick or somthing.
haha! Come on Trab, "keepable gains" no way this is possible! Everyone knows that any gains made of AAS will be lost instantaneously after you stop, like that very second you stop lbs and lbs will just fall off of you and be left on the pavement...then your hair will all fall out, zits will cover your entire body, you will kill 14 people that day in one last hooray of roid rage, and to top it off, your shriveled up nuts will inset themselves inside your body and proceed to be regurgitated out of your mouth...forever turning you into a balless wonder of the world with zero muscle.
And to all the Dave haters, how many of you who post this insane stuff about him have actually met the guy? I'd be willing to bet that some of the very ones who post this stuff under the security of their screen name, have met Dave at an expo and gladly shook his hand and taken a pic. Retardation at its finest.
Sorry Dave haters, but Dave is a champ!
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haha! Come on Trab, "keepable gains" no way this is possible! Everyone knows that any gains made of AAS will be lost instantaneously after you stop, like that very second you stop lbs and lbs will just fall off of you and be left on the pavement...then your hair will all fall out, zits will cover your entire body, you will kill 14 people that day in one last hooray of roid rage, and to top it off, your shriveled up nuts will inset themselves inside your body and proceed to be regurgitated out of your mouth...forever turning you into a balless wonder of the world with zero muscle.
And to all the Dave haters, how many of you who post this insane stuff about him have actually met the guy? I'd be willing to bet that some of the very ones who post this stuff under the security of their screen name, have met Dave at an expo and gladly shook his hand and taken a pic. Retardation at its finest.
Sorry Dave haters, but Dave is a champ!
I've met Dave. Dave is not a jerk like Derek, but he did sell a shit load of fake GH to a bunch of my friends, one of which had a reaction to it. A guy who sells fake shit without verification of his sources, wtf??
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I've met Dave. Dave is not a jerk like Derek, but he did sell a shit load of fake GH to a bunch of my friends, one of which had a reaction to it. A guy who sells fake shit without verification of his sources, wtf??
How do you know it wasn't always a good hook up of gh and then it went south at the worst time? Happens all the time in the gear world.
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I've met Dave. Dave is not a jerk like Derek, but he did sell a shit load of fake GH to a bunch of my friends, one of which had a reaction to it. A guy who sells fake shit without verification of his sources, wtf??
Thats the problem that'z happend to the market. So much bunk looks legit that even someone very experienced cant tell. Bogus cancer drugs are infiltrating our Pharmas Guy! OC (That's Organized Crime)
knows a Great profit margin when they see one. This problem is worldwide. If Pharma drugs are a part of a loved ones life (and thats a fact for most US families) you owe it to them to scrutinize their important Meds and learn what your lookin at in great detail. Its fooling Drs, Pharma Techs and EVEN DRUG Corp fraud experts these days!!
This is gonna get worse. I doubt Dave would risk his rep knowingly over several 10$G units of quick profit.
Hes one of few pulling a living out of the BBing dumpster and one of few with credibility on AAS in sports.
Sorry your friend got Bunk but so did Many Many others.
The Old "If it seems TO GOOD TO BE TRUE - IT IS" ... APPLIES TO ALL THIES UG BARGINE MART GEAR IMO.
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I heard he sold Fake Growth before Buts thats hear say.You should do enuff research before using it.I assume you'd know it was fake if you did that!He had really good conitioning in that picture.Personally Im gonna judge the dudes looks because noone can help how they look thats genetics But if we were comparing him in a competion He may not have the perfect body But he He looked drier than 90% OIf people I have seen.Hes even white as snow!IF he had a tan hed look bigger and harder!
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Tell that to the 30-40 permanet lbs I keep off steroids for YEAR off, even sick with the flu or otherwise run down as bad as I can.
talk about what you know about, sucking dick or somthing.
:'( Now my feelings are hurt ! Ill assume your another tool from MD ! 8) Oh and your claims are total bullshit !
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:'( Now my feelings are hurt ! Ill assume your another tool from MD ! 8) Oh and your claims are total bullshit !
Fuck you Boy. Ive Nothin to do with MD you little punk.
You clearly dont know WTF your talking about so STFU on the subject of AAS.
Even a idiot like you can usually keep 10 solid pounds on a 1st cycle, no matter how bad they muck it up.
That is if they get real stuff, but dealers know they can chump punks like you easy.
You know so much, what have you used that didnt give any keepable gains? .... Ohmmmm... just talkin out your ass, I forgot...
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Fuck you Boy. Ive Nothin to do with MD you little punk.
You clearly dont know WTF your talking about so STFU on the subject of AAS.
Even a idiot like you can usually keep 10 solid pounds on a 1st cycle, no matter how bad they muck it up.
That is if they get real stuff, but dealers know they can chump punks like you easy.
You know so much, what have you used that didnt give any keepable gains? .... Ohmmmm... just talkin out your ass, I forgot...
;) Im going to let you in on a secret ! Anyone who responds like you do is a tool and not a very bright one ! Spouting off about someone you dont know is very stupid ! just as stupid as your 40 pounds of muscle kept after a year and being sick claim !
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"Mini Me" after 15 mins in the microwave
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=178355.0;attach=207548;image)
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First, do not accuse someone of having anything to do with dealing steroids if they are not. It shows your lack of knowledge, and is a little uncool. Especially if it is Arnold Jr. which has nothing to do with that.
Second, Dave in that picture isnt bad. So he was in jail, so he is an ex-con, life goes on. He get caught, did his time, etc. It wasnt a violent crime, he didn't assault, attack, physically hurt someone. So let it be already. Dave loves the sport of bodybuilding, gets paid to do a job, and that is that. You want to keep complaining on Dave, do it on MD's site.
But rule #9 says "No Subversive Talk" No talking against the MD family, supplements companies etc... Punishment is immediate lifetime ban with no warnings
They are dicks over there Ron, we need this place to speak our minds.
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HONESTLLYYYY, THATS THE BEST I THINK HES EVER LOOKED!
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HONESTLLYYYY, THATS THE BEST I THINK HES EVER LOOKED!
Actually, his best looks something like this:
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Damn hes ripped
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;) Im going to let you in on a secret ! Anyone who responds like you do is a tool and not a very bright one ! Spouting off about someone you dont know is very stupid ! just as stupid as your 40 pounds of muscle kept after a year and being sick claim !
Dear dumb C o c k Sucker, what I say is true. Over the years Ive gained 30-40lbs of solid nicely shaped mass on steroids. Ive come off for over year at times and HOLD THAT MUCH WEIGHT above where I stared as a hard gainer natural 10yrs ago. even off for a year+. I can actually run up genneraly 10-20lbs over that immediatly into a new cycle heavy androgen cycle. The 30-40lbs is depending on lowest to highest starting Nat BW. We all fluctuate within a range. That beef is there for keeps, even thru some nasty health issues.
Neither of you know jack shit about AAS. I reaspond to assholes that talk out their ass like they are assholes talking out their mouth. ALlwasy have, allways will. Boy.
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Dear dumb C o c k Sucker, what I say is true. Over the years Ive gained 30-40lbs of solid nicely shaped mass on steroids. Ive come off for over year at times and HOLD THAT MUCH WEIGHT above where I stared as a hard gainer natural 10yrs ago. even off for a year+. I can actually run up genneraly 10-20lbs over that immediatly into a new cycle heavy androgen cycle. The 30-40lbs is depending on lowest to highest starting Nat BW. We all fluctuate within a range. That beef is there for keeps, even thru some nasty health issues.
Neither of you know jack shit about AAS. I reaspond to assholes that talk out their ass like they are assholes talking out their mouth. ALlwasy have, allways will. Boy.
;D You like to graphicly display your retardedness dont you ! What your claiming is pure bullshit and your a bad goof ! Now run along and tell your crap to some kids and they might even pay you for the bullshit ! Cheers ! PS be careful who you call BOY and go take some spelling classes ! And for the record Im talking about MUSCLE weight not FAT weight !
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;D You like to graphicly display your retardedness dont you ! What your claiming is pure bullshit and your a bad goof ! Now run along and tell your crap to some kids and they might even pay you for the bullshit ! Cheers ! PS be careful who you call BOY and go take some spelling classes !
Please do tell about your steroid use experience, you talk shit you know NOTHING ABOUT.
I suspect your to dumb to even load a hypo out of a multidose vial and way to chicken shit to use it.
Again, this aint about spelling and gramer, BOY, its about BBing and steroids in particular and you know nothing about either. Now Go play tennis or golf.Or are you late for Ballet?
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He may be a great guy who has tons of knowledge, but his body is UGLY!
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Please do tell about your steroid use experience, you talk shit you know NOTHING ABOUT.
I suspect your to dumb to even load a hypo out of a multidose vial and way to chicken shit to use it.
Again, this aint about spelling and gramer, BOY, its about BBing and steroids in particular and you know nothing about either. Now Go play tennis or golf.Or are you late for Ballet?
:o Are you ever mean and tough ! Oh sorry I meant your a GOOF ! You know nothing about me tool ! But I know your an idiet based on your responces and your also a bullshitter ! Now take my advise and make your claims to some fucking kid who might beleive you ! You know the ones who buy MUSCLE-TECH or SIX-STAR or the ASYLUM project or whatever there calling there shit these days ! hell you sound like you may have done some of their adds for them ! ::) maybe you used a GENE ACTIVATOR ! ;D
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:o Are you ever mean and tough ! Oh sorry I meant your a GOOF ! You know nothing about me tool ! But I know your an idiet based on your responces and your also a bullshitter ! Now take my advise and make your claims to some fucking kid who might beleive you ! You know the ones who buy MUSCLE-TECH or SIX-STAR or the ASYLUM project or whatever there calling there shit these days ! hell you sound like you may have done some of their adds for them ! ::) maybe you used a GENE ACTIVATOR ! ;D
I still want to hear your all knowing steroid expertise. You've never used them I take it, Boy.?
If you ever want to put some real beef on your ballerina body just PM, and Ill help ya drawl up a plan that'll put 10-20 permanent lbs on your queer ass in a few weeks if youve never used AAS.
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I still want to hear your all knowing steroid expertise. You've never used them I take it, Boy.?
If you ever want to put some real beef on your ballerina body just PM, and Ill help ya drawl up a plan that'll put 10-20 permanent lbs on your queer ass in a few weeks if youve never used AAS.
:D The obvious retard returns ! PS for the record Im a pretty big guy whos been around for quite awhile ! thats why an idiet like you cant make your rediculous claims with me ! And like I said responding the way you do to an absolute stranger proves your stupidity ! 8)
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:o Are you ever mean and tough ! Oh sorry I meant your a GOOF ! You know nothing about me tool ! But I know your an idiet based on your responces and your also a bullshitter ! Now take my advise and make your claims to some fucking kid who might beleive you ! You know the ones who buy MUSCLE-TECH or SIX-STAR or the ASYLUM project or whatever there calling there shit these days ! hell you sound like you may have done some of their adds for them ! ::) maybe you used a GENE ACTIVATOR ! ;D
Trab is actually one of the smarter and more knowledgeable guys on this board when it comes to AAS. As for his claim of keeping 40lbs I don't think he's implying that this will happen after one simple cycle...it takes years to change ones set point, but once that's changed, it's easy to maintain. Does that mean you will always begin to keep all the gains you make off a cycle? Absolutely not, but your set point has been altered, once new found muscle has really set in and become part of the "norm" for your body. Will it stay forever if you stop? No, but it want just disappear instantly...muscle memory comes into play here as well.
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Trab is actually one of the smarter and more knowledgeable guys on this board when it comes to AAS. As for his claim of keeping 40lbs I don't think he's implying that this will happen after one simple cycle...it takes years to change ones set point, but once that's changed, it's easy to maintain. Does that mean you will always begin to keep all the gains you make off a cycle? Absolutely not, but your set point has been altered, once new found muscle has really set in and become part of the "norm" for your body. Will it stay forever if you stop? No, but it want just disappear instantly...muscle memory comes into play here as well.
::) I already said you can keep muscle that you could have developed naturaly ! Now way in hell your keeping 40 pounds of muscle over and above your natual weight for the time he claims and under the circumstances ! Unless of cource his idea of clean is using maintence dosages hcg ect ! And if he is so bright why in hell would he start with the goofy name calling some some junior high girl ! ( but I quess that might be where his hormone level is at ) :D
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:D The obvious retard returns ! PS for the record Im a pretty big guy whos been around for quite awhile ! thats why an idiet like you cant make your rediculous claims with me ! And like I said responding the way you do to an absolute stranger proves your stupidity ! 8)
Either tell me about the cycle you lost everything you gained or admit you have no personall experience with AAS.
Keeping 20-40lbs in ten years is actuall not very good. Boy.
Many guys pull that off in one or 2 cycles, and keep it off cycle. Not ripped like Munzner, but solid and nice shape and not fat. As for all the phony sups you listed, I dont even know what they are. I prefer beef chicken eggs.
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::) I already said you can keep muscle that you could have developed naturaly ! Now way in hell your keeping 40 pounds of muscle over and above your natual weight for the time he claims and under the circumstances ! Unless of cource his idea of clean is using maintence dosages hcg ect ! And if he is so bright why in hell would he start with the gofy name calling some some junior high girl ! ( but I quess that might be where his hormone level is at ) :D
You are wrong. Youve never use steroids, right? If you did you used bunk or did a piss poor job of it.
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Either tell me about the cycle you lost everything you gained or admit you have no personall experience with AAS.
Keeping 20-40lbs in ten years is actuall not very good. Boy.
Many guys pull that off in one or 2 cycles, and keep it off cycle. Not ripped like Munzner, but solid and nice shape and not fat. As for all the phony sups you listed, I dont even know what they are. I prefer beef chicken eggs.
:D 20 to 40 pounds is what you can gain natually BOY ! And if you could read I already said thats very plausable ! 20 or 40 pounds totally due to anabolics isnt ! get it ! And for the record if you couldnt gain 20 to 40 pounds natually after 10 years of training your a pathetic fuck ! ;D
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You are wrong. Youve never use steroids, right? If you did you used bunk or did a piss poor job of it.
:D Sorry Im right and your obviously a dumb shit based on your contradictions and responces here ! ::)
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there does come a point where you will keep the weight gained from several cycles. paul borresson had a theory on this. it is one of the few i agreed on of his theories. lets say you weigh 190lbs and you get up to 230 naturally with some fat. with some chemicals you get up to 250 come off. go on. go off. go on for several cycles getting up to 290 or so over the yrs. i guarnatee when you come off you will not go under 260 if you eat and train right while getting the proper rest. therefore you are 20-30lbs over where you would have been if you had never done a steriod
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there does come a point where you will keep the weight gained from several cycles. paul borresson had a theory on this. it is one of the few i agreed on of his theories. lets say you weigh 190lbs and you get up to 230 naturally with some fat. with some chemicals you get up to 250 come off. go on. go off. go on for several cycles getting up to 290 or so over the yrs. i guarnatee when you come off you will not go under 260 if you eat and train right while getting the proper rest. therefore you are 20-30lbs over where you would have been if you had never done a steriod
8) This therory has been around for years but ive never witnessed it working ( except for the guys who just use a little and claim to be clean ) and that includes plenty of pros !
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8) This therory has been around for years but ive never witnessed it working ( except for the guys who just use a little and claim to be clean ) and that includes plenty of pros !
well i have personally seen it and i am living proof
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there does come a point where you will keep the weight gained from several cycles. paul borresson had a theory on this. it is one of the few i agreed on of his theories. lets say you weigh 190lbs and you get up to 230 naturally with some fat. with some chemicals you get up to 250 come off. go on. go off. go on for several cycles getting up to 290 or so over the yrs. i guarnatee when you come off you will not go under 260 if you eat and train right while getting the proper rest. therefore you are 20-30lbs over where you would have been if you had never done a steriod
Yep, the "set point" theory...actually trab was the first person I ever talked to about this. Very valid theory IMO. fact, no because of variables in some peoples lifestyle but if only applied to the 'hardcore" who live and breath BB, then yes it is valid IMO.
8) This therory has been around for years but ive never witnessed it working ( except for the guys who just use a little and claim to be clean ) and that includes plenty of pros !
The reason you haven't seen it work is because most people you see, and this goes for most people everyone see who use AAS, is because they simply don't carry on with their regimented eating and training nor take it as seriously when they are off cycle...they are the group of people that I like to call "Cycle Warriors."
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Muscle is muscle. Gained in puberty or another artificial puberty.
Keeping it coming off is a matter of getting the body AND nervous AND circulatory systems used to carrying it.... We can talk about that in the aas board where we simple delete BSers who talk out their
dick-craving ass.
He owned 3or 4 gyms by the way guys ::)
I'd bet he lives in a 10K sq Ft home with a Ocean front view and is/ was a cage figher also.
I came to this thread because someone was talking shit about a friend dealing steroids, which is false.
I should have expected more assmonkey talk.
At least Gh15 has a 2nd language excuse to blame it on, this guy owned 4 gyms and never saw anyone keep muscle off cycle.
Id think if he owned a gym he'd know more. AnotherPhony BSer. He Will fit in good on this board.
Now, I had much cooler things to do last night and much more profitable things to do than argue with a liar.
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Get a great cycle and see if you get as lean as him?It also has alot to do with dieting and training!Im sure there are some who may look better but If you do show your pics.
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Muscle is muscle. Gained in puberty or another artificial puberty.
Keeping it coming off is a matter of getting the body AND nervous AND circulatory systems used to carrying it.... We can talk about that in the aas board where we simple delete BSers who talk out their
dick-craving ass.
He owned 3or 4 gyms by the way guys ::)
I'd bet he lives in a 10K sq Ft home with a Ocean front view and is/ was a cage figher also.
I came to this thread because someone was talking shit about a friend dealing steroids, which is false.
I should have expected more assmonkey talk.
At least Gh15 has a 2nd language excuse to blame it on, this guy owned 4 gyms and never saw anyone keep muscle off cycle.
Id think if he owned a gym he'd know more. AnotherPhony BSer. He Will fit in good on this board.
Now, I had much cooler things to do last night and much more profitable things to do than argue with a liar.
8) So I quess its assumable you are an asshole ! PS i did own the gyms by the way ! ;D PS and for the record clown its you coming on here with the tough guy attitude ! So Im assuming your the cage fighter ! Typical contradictions from a dumb fuck ! ::)
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lets say you weigh 190lbs and you get up to 230 naturally with some fat. with some chemicals you get up to 250 come off. go on. go off. go on for several cycles getting up to 290 or so over the yrs. i guarnatee when you come off you will not go under 260 if you eat and train right while getting the proper rest. therefore you are 20-30lbs over where you would have been if you had never done a steriod
It sounds nice in theory... having a new set-point of 260lbs. I do think you can push you natural set-point a little, but look at the pros who really come off for an extended period of time. The guys I know who have gone off and not lost much weight have all gotten FAT! Really fat. Dorian keeps pretty good size but he is still ON, imagine if he was totally clean? Look at Mike Morris... he kept training and even did a show clean. How much did he keep?
BTW, Borresen was a lunatic junkie.
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It sounds nice in theory... having a new set-point of 260lbs. I do think you can push you natural set-point a little, but look at the pros who really come off for an extended period of time. The guys I know who have gone off and not lost much weight have all gotten FAT! Really fat. Dorian keeps pretty good size but he is still ON, imagine if he was totally clean? Look at Mike Morris... he kept training and even did a show clean. How much did he keep?
BTW, Borresen was a lunatic junkie.
8) You sir are correct in your observations !
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It sounds nice in theory... having a new set-point of 260lbs. I do think you can push you natural set-point a little, but look at the pros who really come off for an extended period of time. The guys I know who have gone off and not lost much weight have all gotten FAT! Really fat. Dorian keeps pretty good size but he is still ON, imagine if he was totally clean? Look at Mike Morris... he kept training and even did a show clean. How much did he keep?
BTW, Borresen was a lunatic junkie.
i may be wrong here but i believe mike morris had to follow a low protein diet due to his kidneys, i believe that would probably have some effect in maintaining muscle mass
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Is it just me, or is "BOSS" a total assh0le?
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Yep, the "set point" theory...actually trab was the first person I ever talked to about this. Very valid theory IMO.
IT is been around since the 70's with Keesey, it all takes place within the lateral hypothalamus and the ventro thalamus. Maintain a weight for a long enough time, and you body will adjust itself to maintain that weight, until you adjust your set point again, in rats the adjusted time frame is 15 weeks, this has also been shown true in humans when the increments were not too large or too small.
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Is it just me, or is "BOSS" a total assh0le?
He's owned 3 or 4 gyms and never seen a guy keep any muscle from steroids...
Perhaps they just drink Tea and eat crumpets in his Gyms...
We don't call ballet studios "Gym" stateside.
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He's owned 3 or 4 gyms and never seen a guy keep any muscle from steroids...
Perhaps they just drink Tea and eat crumpets in his Gyms...
We don't call ballet studios "Gym" stateside.
Another multigym owning millionare. ::)
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IT is been around since the 70's with Keesey, it all takes place within the lateral hypothalamus and the ventro thalamus. Maintain a weight for a long enough time, and you body will adjust itself to maintain that weight, until you adjust your set point again, in rats the adjusted time frame is 15 weeks, this has also been shown true in humans when the increments were not too large or too small.
I'm pretty sure the set-point studies have focused on fat mass. If you let yourself get fat your fat set-point adjusts upwards. Unfortunately it doesn't adjust downwards. Do you know of data showing this for lbm?
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I'm pretty sure the set-point studies have focused on fat mass. If you let yourself get fat your fat set-point adjusts upwards. Unfortunately it doesn't adjust downwards. Do you know of data showing this for lbm?
Are you honestly telling me you never seen a guy use stroids, stop and not permanently alter his muscle mass?
If so all the guys you see used junk and were VERY poor subjects and mucked it up baddly.
Im not talking keeping all the outlandish mass of a top level competitor, taht aint happenin'.
But a hormonal surge puts the body in a state to build muscle, stay there long enough and come off correctly and slowly and you can keep a lot more than you think.
If you've used, you got a right to say so, if not, your just blowin smoke.
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It sounds nice in theory... having a new set-point of 260lbs. I do think you can push you natural set-point a little, but look at the pros who really come off for an extended period of time. The guys I know who have gone off and not lost much weight have all gotten FAT! Really fat. Dorian keeps pretty good size but he is still ON, imagine if he was totally clean? Look at Mike Morris... he kept training and even did a show clean. How much did he keep?
BTW, Borresen was a lunatic junkie.
mike morris was sick also. he even says himself he purposely went down in weight to be healthy.
i agree about boresen...like i said that is one of his theories i agreed on...there aren't many others
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Are you honestly telling me you never seen a guy use stroids, stop and not permanently alter his muscle mass?
If so all the guys you see used junk and were VERY poor subjects and mucked it up baddly.
Im not talking keeping all the outlandish mass of a top level competitor, taht aint happenin'.
But a hormonal surge puts the body in a state to build muscle, stay there long enough and come off correctly and slowly and you can keep a lot more than you think.
If you've used, you got a right to say so, if not, your just blowin smoke.
Like I said, I believe you can alter the set-point to a degree and there's some science supporting that also. Not a whole lot, but a little sure. Hard to put a percentage on it.
Yes, I've used. For myself I'd guess maybe 15lbs above my natural limit and I'm able to keep a whole lot of strength.
Usually the ones who keep training after getting off for extended periods of time put on bodyfat so it's kind of hard to say how much lbm they kept. What's strange is that the one's whom I've seen maintain best never used any PCT of any kind and admittedly had problems with their natural production (poor libido etc).
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mike morris was sick also. he even says himself he purposely went down in weight to be healthy.
i agree about boresen...like i said that is one of his theories i agreed on...there aren't many others
He said his kidney markers were high. Don't know if he really lowered his protein intake or if he was seriously sick in the first place. I'm sure he tried to keep as much mass as possible via food and training when he did his last show.
I don't know Mike so there may be more to the story of why he stopped competing, as is often the case. Who knows?
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Like I said, I believe you can alter the set-point to a degree and there's some science supporting that also. Not a whole lot, but a little sure. Hard to put a percentage on it.
Yes, I've used. For myself I'd guess maybe 15lbs above my natural limit and I'm able to keep a whole lot of strength.
Usually the ones who keep training after getting off for extended periods of time put on bodyfat so it's kind of hard to say how much lbm they kept. What's strange is that the one's whom I've seen maintain best never used any PCT of any kind and admittedly had problems with their natural production (poor libido etc).
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Fat from the estrogen and steroid, if on a guy that has nice frame and was very lean to start - LOOKs Good to a point.
Steroids put on more fat also, theres research support that too. Its all about a pleasing filled out shape in the end or
strength.
Going WAY up like a pro and keeping it all aint happenin unless the guy was a Gorrila to start.
THeres Plenty guys like that out there that never touched a dumbell or steroid.
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Is it just me, or is "BOSS" a total assh0le?
::) Lets see ! Im calling a clown on what is obvious bullshit and he acting the tough guy but Im an asshole ? You tools are to much ! ;)
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ive got to ebb in,,,, anyone whos used for a few yrs and been on and off for extended periods will know that u keep the majority of what youve got. I trained naturaly from 15 to 19 and gained around 30lbs, then gained another 30lbs on gear... i usualy drop around 10 to 15lbs when im off...dont look any smaller just lack condition and fullness, u wouldnt know the difference in clothes.. and ive had upto a yr off completely, and until recently never ran long or frequent cycles
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ive got to ebb in,,,, anyone whos used for a few yrs and been on and off for extended periods will know that u keep the majority of what youve got. I trained naturaly from 15 to 19 and gained around 30lbs, then gained another 30lbs on gear... i usualy drop around 10 to 15lbs when im off...dont look any smaller just lack condition and fullness, u wouldnt know the difference in clothes.. and ive had upto a yr off completely, and until recently never ran long or frequent cycles
I also really dislike the disrespect to Dave and Paul. 2 of the 3 only REAL AAS "Gurus".
(Aurthor El Rae also)
They were all LARGE and powerfully built, knew their shit, shared it, very technical and passionate about BBing and performance enhancement....
I should scan in the Pic of Paul off cover of The Stack... Of coures all these guys are bigger ::)
Yes he was a nut, a self admitted nut with substance abuse issues. That makes his condition in that Pic all the more impressive. If a narcotic/benzo user can put on that mass god know what he'd been capable of without that burden.
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He said his kidney markers were high. Don't know if he really lowered his protein intake or if he was seriously sick in the first place. I'm sure he tried to keep as much mass as possible via food and training when he did his last show.
I don't know Mike so there may be more to the story of why he stopped competing, as is often the case. Who knows?
i have read in interviews he did drop his protien intake to give he kidneys a break because his blood work was off. the doc told him at the rate he was going his kidneys were going to
shut down. so mike is a bad example because he could have kept a great deal of mass if he had chosen to
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It sounds nice in theory... having a new set-point of 260lbs. I do think you can push you natural set-point a little, but look at the pros who really come off for an extended period of time. The guys I know who have gone off and not lost much weight have all gotten FAT! Really fat. Dorian keeps pretty good size but he is still ON, imagine if he was totally clean? Look at Mike Morris... he kept training and even did a show clean. How much did he keep?
BTW, Borresen was a lunatic junkie.
Yup, basically a selfproclaimed, powerfully built lunatic junkie who was one of the 1st to lay the insulin/HGH puzzle keys on the general public, among other thing. I suppose all the haters are better built though, and own 3 Gyms, a ocean front mansion ...
Bla Bla Bla...
I dont know, that looks like awesome thickness to me, esp for a Nubian/ benzo user. Guy must have known something?
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;D ;D Dude actually posted that picture? ;D ;D ;D
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;D ;D Dude actually posted that picture? ;D ;D ;D
That's not a thick and powerfull muscle base?