Getbig.com: American Bodybuilding, Fitness and Figure
Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: GymTime on November 24, 2007, 11:32:56 AM
-
.
-
but I think that the physique he has is attainable for a natural.
No, it is not. His physique, like all the pros of the late 1970s and early 1980s, is what you get with large amounts of steroids. It only looks like something that could be obtained naturally because you're so use to looking at today's GH and insulin filled pros.
-
Tim is right. I think Gary's physique may be obtainable with moderate doses of juice though. Back in his day and also in the eighties, there were lots of steroids, but no GH and insulin. Bob Paris did say he did a six week cycle of GH for his pro card win, although that length of time for a GH cycle makes no sense.
-
if you achieve that natural you are damn good!
-
agreed.
but as far as the ideal physique goes, needs more lat width and quad sweep to look really really good.
-
Tim is right. I think Gary's physique may be obtainable with moderate doses of juice though. Back in his day and also in the eighties, there were lots of steroids, but no GH and insulin. Bob Paris did say he did a six week cycle of GH for his pro card win, although that length of time for a GH cycle makes no sense.
Yes but probably at the time the knowlegde and recommendations on optimal GH usage was non existent.
-
agreed.
but as far as the ideal physique goes, needs more lat width and quad sweep to look really really good.
It depends on the standards. Compared the freaks of the modern game Gary seems undersized and "attainable" (bloody good on someone if they acheive that without assistance).
Lets be honest, any one of us here would do anything to walk around sporting that physique on the beach
-
Mentzer in a similar location.
Who's physique would you prefer?
[img]
-
the size is achieveable natural but not the condition combined with that size, a natural of that size will have a nice layer of fat over it, still impressive though.
-
Mentzer in a similar location.
Who's physique would you prefer?
[img]
Mentzer. Even though the guy was a space cadet.
Jason
-
Francis Benefatto(wrong spelling) had a very ideal physique too. ND, if you're reading, can you post some pics of Francis?
-
Yes but probably at the time the knowlegde and recommendations on optimal GH usage was non existent.
in the early 1980s, the only GH was from adolescent male cadavers. it was very hard to get and very expensive. any bodybuilder doing it was probably doing 2-3 IUs a day. Today, 18 IUs a day is not unheard of.
-
Francis Benefatto(wrong spelling) had a very ideal physique too. ND, if you're reading, can you post some pics of Francis?
;)
-
I think this is ideal
-
I mean this is bodybuilder , or was lol
-
No, it is not. His physique, like all the pros of the late 1970s and early 1980s, is what you get with large amounts of steroids. It only looks like something that could be obtained naturally because you're so use to looking at today's GH and insulin filled pros.
tim i love your posts- always factual, concise and no BS.
its funny that immediateoy after your post the next poster first agrees with you- then states that he thinks it is possible to attain that development with moderate roid usage.
its clear that many members here have not known other BBs, spent alot of time in the scene, used themselves or spent time with national level competitors.
-
tim i love your posts- always factual, concise and no BS.
its funny that immediateoy after your post the next poster first agrees with you- then states that he thinks it is possible to attain that development with moderate roid usage.
its clear that many members here have not known other BBs, spent alot of time in the scene, used themselves or spent time with national level competitors.
To be fair, Tim stated you develop that type of physique with large amounts of steroids and that is true. I'm just saying it may be possible to develop that type of physique with a more modest amount of steroids, although I can't claim to know that for a fact. :)
-
To be fair, Tim stated you develop that type of physique with large amounts of steroids and that is true. I'm just saying it may be possible to develop that type of physique with a more modest amount of steroids, although I can't claim to know that for a fact. :)
I intentionally didn't say anything about dosage. I believe the best looking physiques (wrt symmetry and proportionality) are developed with moderate doses over many years, which is still a large amount of steroids. Guys who do large doses over a short period of time get very big very quickly but don't look as good.
-
Came across this pic of Gary Leonard. Pretty much the ideal look in my opinion. I wouldn't mind having a physique like that one day. I doubt Gary was natural, but I think that the physique he has is attainable for a natural.
(http://i161.photobucket.com/albums/t224/SimplyHuge/Gary-Leonard204.jpg)
arnold interviewed him during some show and gary was great and very expressive.
-
The biggest problem with being natural is that you can get very ripped but you lose a lot of size, or you can get very big and you lose that ripped look.
-
The biggest problem with being natural is that you can get very ripped but you lose a lot of size, or you can get very big and you lose that ripped look.
When you're a ripped natural you don't really look like a bodybuilder unless you're shirtless. When you're bulked up you don't show your body, but the muscles do show through clothing. Like I cut back a lot and everyone says I look skinny, but I haven't really lost any muscle, just a lot of strength. In the mirror and in photos I look bigger when I'm 20 lbs lighter. Like one guy in the gym said I got skinny since he last saw me but when we were changing in the locker room, he said I looked huge. ;D Fat creates the illusion of size.
-
the size is achieveable natural but not the condition combined with that size, a natural of that size will have a nice layer of fat over it, still impressive though.
Bingo. The best days in BB was when average people could think they could attain the pro's size (eg. Zane) and be comparable. It gives people a sense of achievement when they get close, but in reality, naturally, they wouldn't be anywhere near that combo of size AND cuts.
-
I don't mean to make htis a pissing contest but ths is my ideal
-
I don't mean to make htis a pissing contest but ths is my ideal
black Bob Paris with bigger glutes.
-
Came across this pic of Gary Leonard. Pretty much the ideal look in my opinion. I wouldn't mind having a physique like that one day. I doubt Gary was natural, but I think that the physique he has is attainable for a natural.
(http://i161.photobucket.com/albums/t224/SimplyHuge/Gary-Leonard204.jpg)
that guys physique is identical to lockett,and to me is the ideal look.
bench
-
To look like that without juicing is impossible for me.
Dont think
I can be much bigger while staying at
low bf levels
and without juice.
So I am stuck looking like this :( :
-
If thats you your lookin sick bro :o, good shit!!!
*Fixed
-
If thats you you lookin sick bro :o, good shit!!!
nice organization :)
-
Mentzer in a similar location.
Who's physique would you prefer?
[img]
When I looked at the pic, my first thought was that he was a poor man's Mentzer, which isn't bad.
As far as Leonard's physique being naturally attainable, it wasn't for him. So, if it is attainable, the person would need to have much better genetics than Leonard.
-
I intentionally didn't say anything about dosage. I believe the best looking physiques (wrt symmetry and proportionality) are developed with moderate doses over many years, which is still a large amount of steroids. Guys who do large doses over a short period of time get very big very quickly but don't look as good.
That makes sense - multiple moderate dose cycles would still add up to lots over the long run.
-
I think this is ideal
x2
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/NeoSeminole/Bob%20Paris/BobParis14.jpg)
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/NeoSeminole/Bob%20Paris/BobParis2.jpg)
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/NeoSeminole/Bob%20Paris/BobParis1.jpg)
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/NeoSeminole/Bob%20Paris/BobParis38.jpg)
-
To look like that without juicing is impossible for me.
Dont think
I can be much bigger while staying at
low bf levels
and without juice.
So I am stuck looking like this :( :
Epic bragging under the guise of self pity. ;D
-
If thats you your lookin sick bro :o, good shit!!!
Ty Honour, you have a very good physique yourself.
Matt C:
Next to 270lbs low bf guys or pics like Mentzer makes me feel weak and puny, nothing I
can do about it unless I do drugs.
If was bragging I would post my pic all over the place like sevaste or waddydaddy
-
Ty Honour, you have a very good physique yourself.
Matt C:
Next to 270lbs low bf guys or pics like Mentzer makes me feel weak and puny, nothing I
can do about it unless I do drugs.
If was bragging I would post my pic all over the place like sevaste or waddydaddy
You are looking very, very well. It also doesn't surprise me that you hit a natural plateau. You can only build so much lean muscle without using drugs. That's just biology!
-
To look like that without juicing is impossible for me.
Dont think
I can be much bigger while staying at
low bf levels
and without juice.
So I am stuck looking like this :( :
What is your weight and height?
-
What is your weight and height?
and age? as you get into your late 20s and early 30s you'll find it hard to maintain that, especially the narrow waist.
-
1.The best days in BB was when average people could think they could attain the pro's size (eg. Zane) and be comparable. It gives people a sense of achievement when they get close,
2.but in reality, naturally, they wouldn't be anywhere near that combo of size AND cuts.
agree with the first part.
as for the 2nd, i feel it is possible to look like zane naturally, but in 2-3x as long. zane was one of the smaller pros in terms of muscle size.
-
as for the 2nd, i feel it is possible to look like zane naturally, but in 2-3x as long. zane was one of the smaller pros in terms of muscle size.
That's an error in thinking you can get to a certain level naturally but that it's only going to take much longer. You reach your natural limit very quickly - provided you do things somewhat correctly as far as eating and training. You will probably build 95%+ of your potential muscle mass the first couple of years of training. If you look nothing like Zane after a couple of years it's not going to happen without hormones.
-
To look like that without juicing is impossible for me.
Dont think
I can be much bigger while staying at
low bf levels
and without juice.
So I am stuck looking like this :( :
dude I'm quite sure many on here would be happy with your physique as an "deal."
good work man.
-
that guys physique is identical to lockett,and to me is the ideal look.
bench
Yeah and lockett is 100% natural. Just hard work!!
-
That's an error in thinking you can get to a certain level naturally but that it's only going to take much longer. You reach your natural limit very quickly - provided you do things somewhat correctly as far as eating and training. You will probably build 95%+ of your potential muscle mass the first couple of years of training. If you look nothing like Zane after a couple of years it's not going to happen without hormones.
Man, This was certainly my case. I gained about 50 pounds in the 1st 3 years of training (17-20)
while staying @ about the same body fat level (unless dieting) and then the next 3 years (20-23) maybe gained 10 pounds of muscle. That's when the big decision had to be made and I had too many
hereditary potential health issues that steroids would only increase the chances of coming to pass.
I'm glad I didn't go that direction because I have good health and because of the bodybuilding
lifestyle and genetics look @ least 10 years younger than I am.
BTW - What is your waist size Brandon? You look freakin awesome in that pic.
You'll definately not be getting any sympathy from anyone around here.
-
Natural bodybuilder Ben Tenessen.. (http://www.inbf.net/bt.jpg)
Another natural bodybuilder Anthony Presciano has a good build too. Sponser for Bsn ads and was in natural bodybuilding magazine. (http://static.flickr.com/71/217660676_35419e09af_m.jpg)
Dont need to take drugs to look good.
-
the size is achieveable natural but not the condition combined with that size, a natural of that size will have a nice layer of fat over it, still impressive though.
Truth! It's one thing to carry extraordinary muscle mass; it's quite another to carry that same mass at low single digit body fat. Gary Leonard was one of the top bodybuilders in his day. You don't walk around with that level of muscle mass AND that level of body fat and condition without anabolics.
-
Epic bragging under the guise of self pity. ;D
LOL! That's what I thought also. The guy looks fantastic and knows it. Nothing wrong with that. Not many on this board can match him even though they juice more then he does. Still, "epic" perception by Matt C.
-
That's an error in thinking you can get to a certain level naturally but that it's only going to take much longer. You reach your natural limit very quickly - provided you do things somewhat correctly as far as eating and training. You will probably build 95%+ of your potential muscle mass the first couple of years of training. If you look nothing like Zane after a couple of years it's not going to happen without hormones.
Another insightful comment by Van. It always cracks me up this thinking that without drugs it will just take longer. I think if you're already an adult then after a good five years (though probably 3 years but I leave some room for learning what type of training best suits you) of natural serious hard training you've pretty much max out on muscle mass. You may do a little polishing and make some marginal improvements after that but nothing really noticeable to anyone other than you.
-
Natural bodybuilder Ben Tenessen.. (http://www.inbf.net/bt.jpg)
Another natural bodybuilder Anthony Presciano has a good build too. Sponser for Bsn ads and was in natural bodybuilding magazine. (http://static.flickr.com/71/217660676_35419e09af_m.jpg)
Dont need to take drugs to look good.
Those guys take drugs.
You have a lot to learn.
-
To look like that without juicing is impossible for me.
Dont think
I can be much bigger while staying at
low bf levels
and without juice.
So I am stuck looking like this :( :
damn..dude, good job
keep up the hard work
-
I retract my previous ideal and submit my favorite bodybuilder, THE GREAT YAN
-
No, it is not. His physique, like all the pros of the late 1970s and early 1980s, is what you get with large amounts of steroids. It only looks like something that could be obtained naturally because you're so use to looking at today's GH and insulin filled pros.
Word. :-[
Bill Davey has my ideal physique. To me the ideal physique is not a frozen statue or a vehicle for posing; it is one you actually use for athleticism. Too many BB have bodies that are fun to look at but can't really do much physically. :-\
-
somuch goes into my decision over whats the "ideal" physique..i htink you guys over look alot of the minor details that REALLY conrtibute to a physiques image. things like the shape of muscle striations, not just the presence of striations but how they look, which direction they flow in, if they are symetrical or not.. also, ab shape means a fucking shit load. alot of people forget about the pec/delt tie in as well. for those attribute, i like michael locketts pec striations, dexter jacksons shoulder striations, craig titus back in the day for tricep striations, mark dugdale for quad striations, flex wheeler for back striations, and dorian yates for calves. for ab shape, i would go with the abdomen of mark dugdale, but with the lower portion/hip flexors of bob paris. pec/delt tie-in has got to go to gustavo badell.
-
I would never wear a shirt, even in the winter if I was built like this!!!
-
I would never wear a shirt, even in the winter if I was built like this!!!
I admit, it looks good, but I have known (and known ;D) guys with bodies like that and they don’t have the speed or range of motion that I (want to) have. In other words, they are not what I would consider athletic. In that sense, the physique is not ideal. :-\
-
I admit, it looks good, but I have known (and known ;D) guys with bodies like that and they don’t have the speed or range of motion that I (want to) have. In other words, they are not what I would consider athletic. In that sense, the physique is not ideal. :-\
dude, in your daily like when do you have a need for "speed or range of motion"...running to catch the subway? ::)
-
dude, in your daily like when do you have a need for "speed or range of motion"...running to catch the subway? ::)
That’s a legitimate question. It comes down to lifestyle.
The guys I have known who look like that simply do not move the way I want to move. They waddle, move slowly, some have labored breathing doing simple tasks. etc. When I think of the things I have done in the past, am doing now, and want to do in the future (surfing, kite surfing, biking, running, hiking, etc.) being that size is inconsistent with the physical prowess I want and need. One doesn’t often see guys like racing on bicycles or playing tennis for example.
It’s the difference between functional and cosmetic muscles. On my body, I want functional muscle.
-
To look like that without juicing is impossible for me.
Dont think
I can be much bigger while staying at
low bf levels
and without juice.
So I am stuck looking like this :( :
Aww poor you ...haha
-
That’s a legitimate question. It comes down to lifestyle.
The guys I have known who look like that simply do not move the way I want to move. They waddle, move slowly, some have labored breathing doing simple tasks. etc. When I think of the things I have done in the past, am doing now, and want to do in the future (surfing, kite surfing, biking, running, hiking, etc.) being that size is inconsistent with the physical prowess I want and need. One doesn’t often see guys like racing on bicycles or playing tennis for example.
It’s the difference between functional and cosmetic muscles. On my body, I want functional muscle.
That's exactly what every loser hardgainer in the gym says, all the time. :-X
-
functional muscle... unless ur actually an athlete, where does that apply? i mean, aslong as u can do the daily things like walk, jog a bit if need be, open things and lift heavy objects if need be, ur sweet. it comes down to priorities.
-
Tyvm for the encouragement.
To answer some of the questions I can say that I have
very crappy stats.
And a wider waist than many of the pro BB´s claim to have.
Some people have exactly the same stats as me with same BF%
but look completely different, like one of my friends that you will
probably see in UFC in the future 2009+
Just as a imaginative example:
If me and Chuck Liddell had the same stats and BF%,
we would look very very different.
-
good thread!
-
two underrated guys from the 50's.
-
two underrated guys from the 50's.
Fucking impressive.
Met Ronnie Coleman in 98 Incredible so vascular and thick,I new right there and then i had no right to step on a BB stage ???
-
although I like the builds of the 70's better, truth is those full round muscles are the result of oral steroids.
they used to pop them like candy not knowing the physical and mental dangers, probably more dangerous than what the guys do today.
Thats why so many of them had short careers.
-
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=182415.0;attach=215200;image)
i cant believe im going to say this but Sevaste actually looks pretty good in that picture.
-
Fucking impressive.
Met Ronnie Coleman in 98 Incredible so vascular and thick,I new right there and then i had no right to step on a BB stage ???
Yes! Bob Marley and marijuana!!
Anyway, ideal... right... damn, I wish I had bud...
One up for Mentzer!
-
Yes! Bob Marley and marijuana!!
Anyway, ideal... right... damn, I wish I had bud...
One up for Mentzer!
A pity he got so screwed mentally and career wise after1980 Powerful physique.
-
A pity he got so screwed mentally and career wise after1980 Powerful physique.
For someone who spent his life studying physical stress he really couldn't handle the mental side of it.
-
I used to think Anders Graneheim was the looking close
to an ideal physique.
(http://www.andersgraneheim.se/tavling/3.jpg)
-
8)
-
Vic Richards when he was 18 had a great physique.
-
Too easy, here's the ideal: