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Title: As it relates to financial wealth...
Post by: MindSpin on November 29, 2007, 03:54:25 PM
...what is your definition of being "rich"?
Title: Re: As it relates to financial wealth...
Post by: tweeter on November 29, 2007, 03:56:12 PM
$10M+ net worth
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Post by: 240 is Back on November 29, 2007, 03:57:58 PM
Being able to work when you want, and not work when you want.

Being able to undertake projects, have fun, and own the things you want, with zero worry.
Title: Re: As it relates to financial wealth...
Post by: joelocal on November 29, 2007, 04:07:02 PM
Being able to work when you want, and not work when you want.

Being able to undertake projects, have fun, and own the things you want, with zero worry.

I agree......you can't take it with you!!
Title: Re: As it relates to financial wealth...
Post by: the Pure Majestic on November 29, 2007, 04:07:24 PM
$10M+ net worth

So, roughly 1% of America is rich?  And much, much less than 1% of the world is rich?  

Title: Re: As it relates to financial wealth...
Post by: Pete Dimano on November 29, 2007, 04:09:19 PM
So, roughly 1% of America is rich?  And much, much less than 1% of the world is rich?  



the rest of the worls are scrubs.

i wipe my ass with dozens of albanians daily.
Title: Re: As it relates to financial wealth...
Post by: the Pure Majestic on November 29, 2007, 04:10:20 PM
I agree......you can't take it with you!!

I hear this all the time.  
This is the most asinine statement imaginable when it comes to finances.  
If people would be smart with their money for a short time frame early in their career, they could enjoy an almost exponential increase in money the rest of their life.  

If people would put a few grand a month into investments in their 20's, they could then live like they wanted to live now in a year or two.  
At that point, they could still put money away, and in another year or two could live much better than they would if they had never put money away.  
By the time they reached their 40's, they could be living much better than they would had they not taken that initial year to be smart.  And, despite spending much more money they could still invest and allow all their previous investments to grow.  

Title: Re: As it relates to financial wealth...
Post by: dov on November 29, 2007, 04:10:34 PM
$250k <    ....per year
Title: Re: As it relates to financial wealth...
Post by: the Pure Majestic on November 29, 2007, 04:11:21 PM
the rest of the worls are scrubs.

i wipe my ass with dozens of albanians daily.

Please.  Albanians make horrible toilet paper. 
Title: Re: As it relates to financial wealth...
Post by: dr.chimps on November 29, 2007, 04:11:50 PM
...what is your definition of being "rich"?
Probably one that does not include any financial criteria.
Title: Re: As it relates to financial wealth...
Post by: joelocal on November 29, 2007, 04:12:14 PM
I hear this all the time. 
This is the most asinine statement imaginable when it comes to finances. 
If people would be smart with their money for a short time frame early in their career, they could enjoy an almost exponential increase in money the rest of their life. 

If people would put a few grand a month into investments in their 20's, they could then live like they wanted to live now in a year or two. 
At that point, they could still put money away, and in another year or two could live much better than they would if they had never put money away. 
By the time they reached their 40's, they could be living much better than they would had they not taken that initial year to be smart.  And, despite spending much more money they could still invest and allow all their previous investments to grow. 



I did that.........I still can't take it with me, however, I can leave it to my family!
Title: Re: As it relates to financial wealth...
Post by: the Pure Majestic on November 29, 2007, 04:14:48 PM
I did that.........I still can't take it with me, however, I can leave it to my family!

If you did, then good on ya'. 

Most Americans feel some innate urge to blow every penny they make before they make it. 
If people could just hold their gluttony for a year or two when they first begin making money, they could set themselves up for more financial freedom the rest of their lives. 

Title: Re: As it relates to financial wealth...
Post by: SF1900 on November 29, 2007, 04:40:56 PM
When you can buy an island if you choose to :)....I think Bill Gates has enough money to buy an island!
Title: Re: As it relates to financial wealth...
Post by: Deadpool on November 29, 2007, 04:50:46 PM
rich...having every necessity then some money left over.  This means left over money, not huge credit card debt
Title: Re: As it relates to financial wealth...
Post by: MindSpin on November 29, 2007, 05:08:06 PM
rich...having every necessity then some money left over.  This means left over money, not huge credit card debt

the problem with that definition is that, for most, the more you make the more you want. 
Title: Re: As it relates to financial wealth...
Post by: NarcissisticDeity on November 29, 2007, 05:12:47 PM
...what is your definition of being "rich"?

being healthy  ;)
Title: Re: As it relates to financial wealth...
Post by: joelocal on November 29, 2007, 05:12:56 PM
the problem with that definition is that, for most, the more you make the more you want. 

Not if you're smart and have some control and discipline!
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Post by: Deadpool on November 29, 2007, 05:14:26 PM
I said every neccesity. not every want.
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Post by: G o a t b o y on November 29, 2007, 05:14:47 PM
...what is your definition of being "rich"?


The definition is different for everyone. It really depends on your point of view, which is determined by a combination of what you and your peers are currently making, as well as what your family made while you were growing up.


You also can't use the definition some have given i.e. "all your bills are taken care of, can work when you want, etc, etc, etc", because exactly where this level is money-wise really depends on the minimum standard of living you would be comfortable with.
Title: Re: As it relates to financial wealth...
Post by: joelocal on November 29, 2007, 05:15:57 PM
I said every neccesity. not every want.

Yes, difference between wants and needs.
Title: Re: As it relates to financial wealth...
Post by: Deadpool on November 29, 2007, 05:16:04 PM
things you own, end up owning you

Tyler Durden
Title: Re: As it relates to financial wealth...
Post by: MindSpin on November 29, 2007, 05:17:20 PM
Not if you're smart and have some control and discipline!

Like I said "for most".  Me?  I'm happy living in a shack & driving a hoopty as long as I get to do what I love and spend time with my girls.  

But that's off topic.  The question is what do you consider financially rich?  For me, I agree with a $10 million net worth...
Title: Re: As it relates to financial wealth...
Post by: G o a t b o y on November 29, 2007, 05:17:55 PM
I said every neccesity. not every want.


One person's want is another person's necessity.

Not only that, but while things like shelter & transportation are necessities for everyone, these items come in a variety of price ranges, and everyone's minimum standard is different.  For example, both you and I need a place to live, and while I wouldn't consider a mansion a necessity, I certainly wouldn't consider living in a place like where you live.
Title: Re: As it relates to financial wealth...
Post by: Deadpool on November 29, 2007, 05:18:58 PM
yeah.  but I call it home and live happily there. 

"live simply, so that others may simply live"
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Post by: YoungBlood on November 29, 2007, 06:57:52 PM
Being able to work when you want, and not work when you want.

Being able to undertake projects, have fun, and own the things you want, with zero worry.

I may not have said it in as many words, but pretty much spot on definition for me... 8)
Title: Re: As it relates to financial wealth...
Post by: The_Iron_Disciple on November 29, 2007, 07:08:43 PM
Being able to work when you want, and not work when you want.

Being able to undertake projects, have fun, and own the things you want, with zero worry.


Agreed !
Title: Re: As it relates to financial wealth...
Post by: candidizzle on November 29, 2007, 07:18:16 PM
"rich" is a state of mind!
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Post by: Emmortal on November 29, 2007, 07:21:37 PM
"rich" is a state of mind!

Only poor people living with their parents say that.
Title: Re: As it relates to financial wealth...
Post by: slayer on November 29, 2007, 07:24:22 PM
depends on where you live , here in lancaster pa you can have a brand new 6000 sqft home on a few acres for about 600,000 with about 6 to 10,000 a yr in taxes , so it does not take very much in some places.
the same home 2 hrs away in new jersey costs about 2 million with about 30,000 in taxes...

so house paid for a about 1 million in the bank here in lancaster and your rich without working!

you can easilly retire on 500,000   in the bank/stocks  living off the interest and a 300,000 house paid for...
Title: Re: As it relates to financial wealth...
Post by: candidizzle on November 29, 2007, 07:24:43 PM
hey fuck you!
hahaha.
yeah well when i am older and rich in the wallet as well as the mind i will say the same thing.
money is easy to come by, really. what isnt easy to come by is peace of mind.
Title: Re: As it relates to financial wealth...
Post by: SteelePegasus on November 29, 2007, 07:26:48 PM
Having enough money to snort coke off of the ass of a different 18y/o girl every night
Title: Re: As it relates to financial wealth...
Post by: Emmortal on November 29, 2007, 07:29:05 PM
I agree, I was just giving you shit.

Having enough money to snort coke off of the ass of a different 18y/o girl every night

Ehhh, this really doesn't cost that much, especially if you live in LA.
Title: Re: As it relates to financial wealth...
Post by: joelocal on November 29, 2007, 07:45:06 PM
 The question is what do you consider financially rich?  For me, I agree with a $10 million net worth...

Ok, how about what ever I can live off of comfortably? I have a house payment of $6500 per mo. but little else in the way of debt. I have always said that no matter how much I make, how much I stand to inheret or wether I hit the big powerball jackpot, I would never retire, no need too. But as long as I have the freedom to do what I want, spend time with my family and kids, without worry, that would be financial wealth IMO!
Title: Re: As it relates to financial wealth...
Post by: GoneAway on November 30, 2007, 03:02:07 AM
Being able to work when you want, and not work when you want.

Being able to undertake projects, have fun, and own the things you want, with zero worry.

agreed.
Title: Re: As it relates to financial wealth...
Post by: D-bol on November 30, 2007, 03:48:48 AM
I hear this all the time.  
This is the most asinine statement imaginable when it comes to finances.  
If people would be smart with their money for a short time frame early in their career, they could enjoy an almost exponential increase in money the rest of their life.  

If people would put a few grand a month into investments in their 20's, they could then live like they wanted to live now in a year or two.  
At that point, they could still put money away, and in another year or two could live much better than they would if they had never put money away.  
By the time they reached their 40's, they could be living much better than they would had they not taken that initial year to be smart.  And, despite spending much more money they could still invest and allow all their previous investments to grow.  



it is absurd to think one can get wealthy by "putting away" few grand each year into investment....

Title: Re: As it relates to financial wealth...
Post by: joelocal on November 30, 2007, 05:59:22 AM
it is absurd to think one can get wealthy by "putting away" few grand each year into investment....



Why? it's an absolut fact if you start early enough. I think when YOU think of wealth, you think of some young millionair. What he is saying, if you put a few thousand away each year into the right investments, you WILL be wealthy bu the time you're in your late 40's or 50's. Stop thinking of wealth as being instant, it most cases it's not!
Title: Re: As it relates to financial wealth...
Post by: Monster_Everything on November 30, 2007, 06:07:52 AM
For a NYer id say making 200K a year (by yourself) is 'rich' enuf......but by NO means is that near what the real rich make....
Title: Re: As it relates to financial wealth...
Post by: D-bol on November 30, 2007, 06:08:38 AM
if its not "instant" wealth then it's not worth persuing....just get good salary and enjoy life while you can....
talking of which, some executive salaries in your country are in 10's of millions per annum...and thats not even CEO's
Title: Re: As it relates to financial wealth...
Post by: Monster_Everything on November 30, 2007, 06:10:49 AM
if its not "instant" wealth then it's not worth persuing....just get good salary and enjoy life while you can....
talking of which, some executive salaries in your country are in 10's of millions per annum...and thats not even CEO's
There is a diffrence to being rich and being wealthy....rich people have nice cars, multiple homes, alot of money in the bank....wealthy people are those people bosses... ;)
Title: Re: As it relates to financial wealth...
Post by: joelocal on November 30, 2007, 06:15:18 AM
if its not "instant" wealth then it's not worth persuing....just get good salary and enjoy life while you can....
talking of which, some executive salaries in your country are in 10's of millions per annum...and thats not even CEO's

"if it's not "instant" it's not worth persuing?? Are you serious? Unless you win the lotto or inherit from some rich family member, there is no such thing as "instant" wealth. Every wealthy person didn't start out rich, even the CEO's who make 10mil a year didn't start out making that much, they had to work their way up the ladder as well, and trust me, it wasn't overnight, it took years upon years.
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Post by: muscularny on November 30, 2007, 06:18:57 AM
being able to buy whatever you want (obviously normal things not your own island in dubai) and do whatever you want is rich
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Post by: Pete Dimano on November 30, 2007, 06:22:38 AM
being alive, being healthy, not being in jail anymore  >:(
Title: Re: As it relates to financial wealth...
Post by: XFACTOR on November 30, 2007, 06:27:07 AM
$10M+ net worth

spot on.

 I notice people stating yearly incomes.  I don't agree with that as anything can happen.  It's how you manage those net earnings and what you turn it into at the end of the day/year.
Title: Re: As it relates to financial wealth...
Post by: Butterbean on November 30, 2007, 06:29:15 AM
As it relates to financial wealth...

when someone no longer experiences envy and/or longing in regard to any material thing since they could purchase anything they wanted.







Title: Re: As it relates to financial wealth...
Post by: MindSpin on November 30, 2007, 07:31:52 AM
As it relates to financial wealth...

when someone no longer experiences envy and/or longing in regard to any material thing since they could purchase anything they wanted.









You could say that about Mother Teresa, Jebus or Ghandi, yet they didn't have a dime...
Title: Re: As it relates to financial wealth...
Post by: mass243 on November 30, 2007, 07:32:58 AM
it is absurd to think one can get wealthy by "putting away" few grand each year into investment....




Warren Buffet not wealthy  ::) He started it that way... Of course it's not going to happen in those measurements to everyone but I could still feel wealthy with even half of that he got - or even less...
Title: Re: As it relates to financial wealth...
Post by: joelocal on November 30, 2007, 07:34:55 AM
You could say that about Mother Teresa, Jebus or Ghandi, yet they didn't have a dime...

.....yet they were rich.
Title: Re: As it relates to financial wealth...
Post by: Tre on November 30, 2007, 07:46:44 AM

I've got a great family, a nice home, a car that's completely paid for, ready cash reserves in the bank, and a beautiful girlfriend.

I'm not wealthy, but consider my life to be very rich. 

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Rich = having a lot of money, but you've still got to work for your money

Wealthy = having a lot of money working for you, so that you don't have to
Title: Re: As it relates to financial wealth...
Post by: Deadpool on November 30, 2007, 07:50:46 AM
I like that rich vs wealthy distinction, Tre, well said
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Post by: wisconsinBB on November 30, 2007, 07:51:12 AM
I've got a great family, a nice home, a car that's completely paid for, ready cash reserves in the bank, and a beautiful girlfriend.

I'm not wealthy, but consider my life to be very rich. 

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Rich = having a lot of money, but you've still got to work for your money

Wealthy = having a lot of money working for you, so that you don't have to


Very well said.  Don't get me wrong, money and finacial success is very important to me, but money isnt really everything.  I know some seriously fucked up, miserable rich people.
Title: Re: As it relates to financial wealth...
Post by: Paul Allen on November 30, 2007, 08:09:21 AM
a key to riches, a rich man told me once, is not bigger paychecks; it's less bills.
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Post by: XFACTOR on November 30, 2007, 08:18:54 AM
a key to riches, a rich man told me once, is not bigger paychecks; it's less bills.


Nice!

I'm fucked then,lol.
Title: Re: As it relates to financial wealth...
Post by: Butterbean on November 30, 2007, 10:38:17 AM
You could say that about Mother Teresa, Jebus or Ghandi, yet they didn't have a dime...
OK, I was talking about regular people who adopt that attitude mainly through accumulation of wealth and assets...... but to put a dollar amount on it, I'll agree w/the 10 million depending on age and spending habits; if it's successfully invested and/or income is still coming in and if the person isn't a meth or crackhead.
Title: Re: As it relates to financial wealth...
Post by: wisconsinBB on November 30, 2007, 10:47:59 AM
OK, I was talking about regular people who adopt that attitude mainly through accumulation of wealth and assets...... but to put a dollar amount on it, I'll agree w/the 10 million depending on age and spending habits; if it's successfully invested and/or income is still coming in and if the person isn't a meth or crackhead.


Where you live makes a HUGE difference.  Having a 10M net worth in Manhatten isn't nearly as impressive as having a 10M net worth living in Northeast wisconsin!
Title: Re: As it relates to financial wealth...
Post by: Butterbean on November 30, 2007, 10:51:03 AM

Where you live makes a HUGE difference.  Having a 10M net worth in Manhatten isn't nearly as impressive as having a 10M net worth living in Northeast wisconsin!
good point!

Title: Re: As it relates to financial wealth...
Post by: troponin on November 30, 2007, 10:56:03 AM
I think a net worth of $10.8 million puts you in the top 1% in the US. 

The top 1% of wealth are worth more than the bottom 90% combined. 

I'm pretty sure they don't count primary living residence as wealth for that measure, even if it is paid in full.  If that was counted, I'm sure the number would be a good bit higher.


Title: Re: As it relates to financial wealth...
Post by: D-bol on December 03, 2007, 12:07:28 AM
"if it's not "instant" it's not worth persuing?? Are you serious? Unless you win the lotto or inherit from some rich family member, there is no such thing as "instant" wealth. Every wealthy person didn't start out rich, even the CEO's who make 10mil a year didn't start out making that much, they had to work their way up the ladder as well, and trust me, it wasn't overnight, it took years upon years.

by instant i mean 5-10 years...it is achievable with the right business model for good entreprenueral idea...prolly achievable in executive ranks aswell if you are one of the best

what i see as useless is putting away few grand every year to a unit trust or some other passive investment fund and waiting for it to grow by cumulative 50% over 40 years....imo that's stupid, but unless you are a snob....

there is also an argument of leaving that money to your kids...but in 90% of the time, what took the father to accumulate over 40 years will take the son/daughter to piss down the pipes in a matter of months...

Title: Re: As it relates to financial wealth...
Post by: omg on December 03, 2007, 04:50:16 AM
being rich is being able to sit at home all day long and watch tv
Title: Re: As it relates to financial wealth...
Post by: troponin on December 03, 2007, 08:08:41 AM
by instant i mean 5-10 years...it is achievable with the right business model for good entreprenueral idea...prolly achievable in executive ranks aswell if you are one of the best

what i see as useless is putting away few grand every year to a unit trust or some other passive investment fund and waiting for it to grow by cumulative 50% over 40 years....imo that's stupid, but unless you are a snob....

there is also an argument of leaving that money to your kids...but in 90% of the time, what took the father to accumulate over 40 years will take the son/daughter to piss down the pipes in a matter of months...



I think you're grossly underestimating what a few grand a month can do in a good investment. 
You say that "instant" wealth is 5-10 years.  Put $2k a month into a good investment for 10 years, and tell me how much money you have.  I'm willing to bet that liquidating that money after 10 years will make you very happy. 

Most people don't realize what proper investing early in their financial careers can do as they age.  Being smart with your money when you're young will pay off 10 fold as you age. 

This doesn't mean you have to live as a pauper through your 20's either.  It just means being smart with your money. 
Making good investments at 25 that cause you to live "convervatively" for a few years will allow you to live comfortably in 5 years, very well in 10 years, and live extremely well in 20 years. 
Title: Re: As it relates to financial wealth...
Post by: D-bol on December 04, 2007, 01:19:39 AM
troponin,

I hear what you say. To avoid too many words, I'll just express my responce by hypothetical example.

Take a good sports car. Now, you are being smart w/ your money at 20's. So, you don't buy it at 20's and invest the money.
At 40 you can afford an even better sports car as you have been smart w/ your money and now have surplus through your investments.
The only thing is....at 40 you don't value sports car as much as at 20....

Everything is good in it's own time ;)
Title: Re: As it relates to financial wealth...
Post by: KillerMonk on December 04, 2007, 01:35:54 AM
I support Worldvision i sponsor a child at a dollar a day,Even though im on a Pension i feel very Rich,In my 20s i was making tons of money and all it did was cause me worry.
If it was not for my desire to have kids i would become a Buddist Monk as long as i could smoke Reefer.
Title: Re: As it relates to financial wealth...
Post by: rocket on December 04, 2007, 01:36:44 AM
For me, rich financially is enough money to live comfortably off the interest/dividends.  I won't put a dollar value but suffice to say I could live on peanuts.
Title: Re: As it relates to financial wealth...
Post by: troponin on December 04, 2007, 05:34:21 AM
troponin,

I hear what you say. To avoid too many words, I'll just express my responce by hypothetical example.

Take a good sports car. Now, you are being smart w/ your money at 20's. So, you don't buy it at 20's and invest the money.
At 40 you can afford an even better sports car as you have been smart w/ your money and now have surplus through your investments.
The only thing is....at 40 you don't value sports car as much as at 20....

Everything is good in it's own time ;)

Or, you could buy the sports car at 28 instead of 26, only this time you can pay cash for it. 
Then, invest what your payment would be over the next 3-4 years of driving and put that towards the downpayment of a home, cutting the monthly payment down dramatically.
Then, sell the sports car for 50% of what you paid, take that money and buy a good family car....again paying cash and use the money you save on the monthly mortgage to either re-invest or lease another sports car just to dick around with. 

So, in your early 30's you could either have a mortgage payment that tightens your budget but have had a sports car in your mid 20's. 

Or, you could have a low mortgage on a beautiful home, a new car paid in full....and have had a sports car in your 20's with another new sports car today. 
You could also take the money that you're saving by not having a payment on the sedan and pay down the house early, or blow a few hundred a month on skunky beer in a green bottle that claims to be German....whatever you happen to value at that time. 

You can pay $3k a month on a mortgage and take 30 years to pay for a home when the interest is working against you.
Or, you can put $3k a month into an investment for 5 years and then pay cash for that home. 
That is the difference when your money is working for you.....25 years difference in payments. 

It doesn't take decades for investments to be worth your while. 




Title: Re: As it relates to financial wealth...
Post by: affy on December 04, 2007, 05:45:49 AM
I hear this all the time. 
This is the most asinine statement imaginable when it comes to finances. 
If people would be smart with their money for a short time frame early in their career, they could enjoy an almost exponential increase in money the rest of their life. 

If people would put a few grand a month into investments in their 20's, they could then live like they wanted to live now in a year or two. 
At that point, they could still put money away, and in another year or two could live much better than they would if they had never put money away. 
By the time they reached their 40's, they could be living much better than they would had they not taken that initial year to be smart.  And, despite spending much more money they could still invest and allow all their previous investments to grow. 



a few grand a month into investments?  No one in their early 20s has a few grand a month to invest.  These are new graduates who are in some serious dept after school, no way they can invest a few thousand a month unless they got a free ride.  Even then...most entry level positions make <50 grand after taxes...thats around 4000/month.  After mortgage payments, car payments, and other shit... you would be lucky to invest a couple hundred a month..which is still good

another getbigger talking out of his ass

As for the original question...i think you're 'rich' or financially wealthy when you have enough money to hire other people to manage your money. 
Title: Re: As it relates to financial wealth...
Post by: Tre on December 04, 2007, 05:57:59 AM

About the $2000/month:

Over 10 years, that $2000/month would grow to $320,000 at a conservative 5% interest. 

(If you were able to get 10% from your investments, your money would be worth $425,000) 

At 5%:

After 15 years, you'd have $545,000.

After 20 years, you'd have $835,000.

After 25 years, you'd have $1,200,000.

After 30 years, you'd have $1,600,000.

At 10% (which is possible):

After 30 years, you'd have $4,300,000. 

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Compound interest is a wonderful thing and one does not have to be a rich or a financial genius to take advantage of it.  You just have to be dedicated to saving what you earn instead of being dedicated to spending it. 

I would much rather be able to retire at 55 than to drive fancy cars when I'm younger and have to work until I'm 60+. 

Right now, I have a dilemma, though - my car is 11 years old and although it's driveable, it's dripping oil.  The repair will cost $2300...more than the value of the car. 

If I do replace it, I'd like to upgrade to a newer vehicle, but that would deplete my savings by about $15,000.  And let's not forget that my insurance will go way up, too.  So, each month, it's going to cost me more just to drive. 

I think I'm finally going to bite the bullet and buy myself a newer truck, but I'm not 100% happy about it.  If the repair on my Thunderbird was $1200 or less, I would've gotten it fixed and never looked back. 


Title: Re: As it relates to financial wealth...
Post by: Tre on December 04, 2007, 06:03:18 AM
a few grand a month into investments?  No one in their early 20s has a few grand a month to invest.  These are new graduates who are in some serious dept after school, no way they can invest a few thousand a month unless they got a free ride.  Even then...most entry level positions make <50 grand after taxes...thats around 4000/month.  After mortgage payments, car payments, and other shit... you would be lucky to invest a couple hundred a month..which is still good

another getbigger talking out of his ass

As for the original question...i think you're 'rich' or financially wealthy when you have enough money to hire other people to manage your money.

A lot of people have more money than they think they do and as a result, they waste more money than they should.

Hate to pick on her again, but let's talk about my wife for a moment.  Even though I've demonstrated to her that using coupons can save hundreds of dollars a year, she complains that they are 'too much trouble'.  Unbelievable - she'd rather just give that money to the store/manufacturer than to have it for our own uses.  Save $1200/year over 20 years and you've kept $24,000 in YOUR pocket. 

We need to stop teaching bullshit and start teaching people to be smarter with their money.  There's this misguided perception that conspicuous consumption is what drives the American economy and that's a crap philosophy.  All that does is make the rich (many of whom are foreign investors) richer and makes us more reliant on outsiders to keep our money afloat. 
Title: Re: As it relates to financial wealth...
Post by: troponin on December 04, 2007, 06:08:14 AM
A lot of people have more money than they think they do and as a result, they waste more money than they should.

Hate to pick on her again, but let's talk about my wife for a moment.  Even though I've demonstrated to her that using coupons can save hundreds of dollars a year, she complains that they are 'too much trouble'.  Unbelievable - she'd rather just give that money to the store/manufacturer than to have it for our own uses.  Save $1200/year over 20 years and you've kept $24,000 in YOUR pocket. 

We need to stop teaching bullshit and start teaching people to be smarter with their money.  There's this misguided perception that conspicuous consumption is what drives the American economy and that's a crap philosophy.  All that does is make the rich (many of whom are foreign investors) richer and makes us more reliant on outsiders to keep our money afloat. 

Couldn't agree more. 
Take the money most people blow on buying lunch AT work, fast food, sticks of gum, sodas when they get gas, etc., etc., and invest all that money for a decade, and there would be a lot less people complaining about money. 

I remember saving up a month's rent in college by taking all the change I had from purchases and putting it in a jar for a year.  Change I would have typically just left lying around or lost.
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Post by: MindSpin on December 04, 2007, 07:18:11 AM
Couldn't agree more. 
Take the money most people blow on buying lunch AT work, fast food, sticks of gum, sodas when they get gas, etc., etc., and invest all that money for a decade, and there would be a lot less people complaining about money. 

I remember saving up a month's rent in college by taking all the change I had from purchases and putting it in a jar for a year.  Change I would have typically just left lying around or lost.

Troponin...

What do you think is a better use of money when it comes to primary home...to pay for it entirely or to get a mortgage and put your money to work somewhere else?
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Post by: troponin on December 04, 2007, 08:04:41 AM
Troponin...

What do you think is a better use of money when it comes to primary home...to pay for it entirely or to get a mortgage and put your money to work somewhere else?

I'm certainly not an expert, but what is the APR on the mortgage? 
If you plan on living in the home for a short time (especially when the housing market isn't doing well), get a low APR, and feel you can get a better return than that on your investments, then I suppose that could be a good choice. 
But, if you're getting 6% on the home, you'll have to get a 10% return to make 1% over a 3% inflation rate.  That's not great odds. 

For most people, paying for their primary home entirely is not really an option. 
In areas of Michigan, you can buy a decent home for under $150k.  In an area like that, you could put $3k a month away for a few years and with a good return, pay cash for a home.  If that was an option, I'd do that. 
That isn't going to be an option for 95% of the geographical US. lol



Owning property is a powerful money making tool.  As an example:
You own a business, and want to buy a building.  You're currently renting. 

The building you wish to purchase is $1 million.  You're not sure you can make that payment, so you don't know what to do. 

I say buy into the building.  If the ONLY thing your business does is allow you to pay the mortgage on that building....you have to scrape by on business lines of credit, your wife's income, etc., etc.....and when you make the final payment on that building, your business totally fails.  You sell the business to another company and only cover your losses.

If that is the case, owning that building has made you a millionaire.  And a 'real' millionaire, as you have a million dollars of net worth separate from your primary residence. 
You can rent that building out to another company for (in this case) the same amount of money as your entire business was profiting each month.  The rent on that building, and the net worth of that building (especially when considering the average growth of that property over a period of years) is a better business than your 'real' business ever was. 


I'm certainly no expert.  I'm interested in this, but I didn't major in business.  My brother-in-law is my financial advisor, and he has helped us out a ton over the years.
Title: Re: As it relates to financial wealth...
Post by: Livewire on December 04, 2007, 08:08:37 AM
A lot of people have more money than they think they do and as a result, they waste more money than they should.

Hate to pick on her again, but let's talk about my wife for a moment.  Even though I've demonstrated to her that using coupons can save hundreds of dollars a year, she complains that they are 'too much trouble'.  Unbelievable - she'd rather just give that money to the store/manufacturer than to have it for our own uses.  Save $1200/year over 20 years and you've kept $24,000 in YOUR pocket. 

We need to stop teaching bullshit and start teaching people to be smarter with their money.  There's this misguided perception that conspicuous consumption is what drives the American economy and that's a crap philosophy.  All that does is make the rich (many of whom are foreign investors) richer and makes us more reliant on outsiders to keep our money afloat. 

Tre, I have Four grand I'd like to invest in a new pair of Rims for my truck.

I feel that by high-signing them all up and down my street, their value will appreciate among my friends and enemies alike.  in a few months, I will sell them and use the profits to buy nicer rims.

Please share your opinion on my investment philosophy.
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Post by: WhiteCastle on December 04, 2007, 08:10:56 AM
Being able to quit working and live very comfortably off of investments and interest alone.
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Post by: omg on December 05, 2007, 04:14:13 AM
hahaha who gives a shit, ur money is dependent on the usd.

if u had 1 million last year, you have like 900grand or 800grand this year on depreciation of usd alone. add in inflation, and it goes even lower

invest in silver/gold or real estate please.
Title: Re: As it relates to financial wealth...
Post by: phreak on December 05, 2007, 04:58:45 AM
my dream is living self-sufficiently on a little (5-10 hectare) farm. I don't really mind having to work a "real" job on the side. Oddly enough being self-sufficient requires an enormous amount of capital up-front. (at least where I live)

So rich for me and the wife would be having a net monthly income of about E 4000 (about USD 5500 at today's exchange rates). Should be there in a few years from now. This getbigger owns up to not being a multi-millionaire!
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Post by: bigdumbbell on December 05, 2007, 05:38:25 AM
select slums that are close in and ontop of future subways stops
Title: Re: As it relates to financial wealth...
Post by: MindSpin on December 05, 2007, 07:50:46 AM
my dream is living self-sufficiently on a little (5-10 hectare) farm. I don't really mind having to work a "real" job on the side. Oddly enough being self-sufficient requires an enormous amount of capital up-front. (at least where I live)

So rich for me and the wife would be having a net monthly income of about E 4000 (about USD 5500 at today's exchange rates). Should be there in a few years from now. This getbigger owns up to not being a multi-millionaire!

that's a cool aspiration...
Title: Re: As it relates to financial wealth...
Post by: stormshadow on December 05, 2007, 08:00:32 AM
Home equity can be a very powerful tool to leverage.  So can your Credit.

The key is to leverage what you have in order to create cashflow.  Then use the cashflow to pay down your liabilities.

I have leveraged my credit score to obtain unsecured debt.  This enabled me to purchase an asset that pays me over 9,000 per month (after debt service).  So that is roughly 108k per year in passive income.

With 9,000 per month I will then pay off the lines of credit and still have the asset.  I am also using that cashflow to build another business, and have a third stream of income (1. Job, 2. Interest income from Hardmoney lending, 3. Passive income from RE).

Slow and steady does not make you rich.  You do need to take calculated risks, and not constantly run at the redline.



Title: Re: As it relates to financial wealth...
Post by: MindSpin on December 05, 2007, 08:11:10 AM
Home equity can be a very powerful tool to leverage.  So can your Credit.

The key is to leverage what you have in order to create cashflow.  Then use the cashflow to pay down your liabilities.

I have leveraged my credit score to obtain unsecured debt.  This enabled me to purchase an asset that pays me over 9,000 per month (after debt service).  So that is roughly 108k per year in passive income.

With 9,000 per month I will then pay off the lines of credit and still have the asset.  I am also using that cashflow to build another business, and have a third stream of income (1. Job, 2. Interest income from Hardmoney lending, 3. Passive income from RE).

Slow and steady does not make you rich.  You do need to take calculated risks, and not constantly run at the redline.




word.
Title: Re: As it relates to financial wealth...
Post by: Tre on December 05, 2007, 08:19:58 AM
Tre, I have Four grand I'd like to invest in a new pair of Rims for my truck.

I feel that by high-signing them all up and down my street, their value will appreciate among my friends and enemies alike.  in a few months, I will sell them and use the profits to buy nicer rims.

Please share your opinion on my investment philosophy.

Are you Black?  If so, then yes, you get those rims! 

Trucks do typically hold their value better than cars, and a nice set of rims could actually appreciate in value over time if you make it to the NBA. 
Title: Re: As it relates to financial wealth...
Post by: MindSpin on December 05, 2007, 08:21:07 AM
Are you Black?  If so, then yes, you get those rims! 

Trucks do typically hold their value better than cars, and a nice set of rims could actually appreciate in value over time if you make it to the NBA. 

If he wants to become "Hood Rich" then he is on the right path...
Title: Re: As it relates to financial wealth...
Post by: Tre on December 05, 2007, 08:31:06 AM
Slow and steady does not make you rich.  You do need to take calculated risks, and not constantly run at the redline.

People have to run at the pace that's comfortable to them, but let's not overlook the importance of luck and timing.   

I lucked out on an investment early last year. 

I had been saving up to buy a home and was planning to attend law school in the midwest.  When my daughter's mother changed her mind about moving, my buddy and I then decided to invest almost all our cash in a new business venture.

Things have turned out very well, but if I'd bought a home in California in early '06, I'd be upside down in it right now.  And if I'd gone to school, I'd be almost $70,000 in debt and have nowhere near the income I have now. 

In other words, I lucked out that my ex-wife decided to be a bitch and changed her mind about moving in order to start a new life elsewhere. 
Title: Re: As it relates to financial wealth...
Post by: Tre on December 05, 2007, 08:33:55 AM
If he wants to become "Hood Rich" then he is on the right path...

It's really killing me that I have to choose between repairing my 11-year-old car and buying something newer. 

The fact that my car is so old has long been a badge of honor for me, but paying more than its value to repair it might not make good financial sense.  My point has already been made, but I like the personal value I get from continuing to walk the walk.