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Oprah's quote on Obama.
I am seriously thinking he could win the nomination. He's leading in Iowa, New hampshire, and I read it's a 2-point different in S. Carolina.
he could win it.
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Oprah's quote on Obama.
I am seriously thinking he could win the nomination. He's leading in Iowa, New hampshire, and I read it's a 2-point different in S. Carolina.
he could win it.
2 things that I know you will come back to fight with a fury. Well, maybe only one.
1.) We will likely see a black male President before we will see a woman.
2.) People are voting/polling based on what they think is right (as if voting against a black man was somehow wrong) by societal standards. They all want to seem progressive.
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2.) People are voting/polling based on what they think is right (as if voting against a black man was somehow wrong) by societal standards. They all want to seem progressive.
But.... 10 months ago.... 5 months ago.... 2 months ago....
Hilary led by 20 to 30 points in every poll.
Today, Obama leads in polls in the first 3 states. If he wins all 3, it's over.
cap86, are you saying that people were non-PC for the last year, then ALL suddenly decided to change positions at once?
I don't buy that. *IF* Obama had led all the time, okay, I might buy that. But your contention does not explain a 20 to 30 point swing in popularity in such a short time.
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maybe Oprah had more pull they than we thought? Everyone said she would only be good for a small bump.
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I told you. ;)
Seriously though, the Dems are forcing a PC choice with their candidates. Add Oprah to the mix and all the negative press with Hilary and Q&A sessions the momentum shifts away from her. As far as Dems are concerned, there are no other people running. Either way the decision is PC but bad press and people buying another Oprah endorsement (does this bitch actually read all those books?) he has some power. Hilary was the progressive choice until her recent messes. Rich white liberals will think it is cool and en vogue to vote for "the black guy".
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I think Oprah is part of a bigger thing - a shift in people seeing Hilary as NOT inevitable, and the media and larger groups putting resources behind him.
He's ahead in the first 3 caucus states. I am floored by that. I never would have beleived he'd be in this position, 3 weeks out.
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I told you. ;)
Seriously though, the Dems are forcing a PC choice with their candidates. Add Oprah to the mix and all the negative press with Hilary and Q&A sessions the momentum shifts away from her. As far as Dems are concerned, there are no other people running. Either way the decision is PC but bad press and people buying another Oprah endorsement (does this bitch actually read all those books?) he has some power. Hilary was the progressive choice until her recent messes. Rich white liberals will think it is cool and en vogue to vote for "the black guy".
So you think Oprah was the reason that 20% of Iowans switched from Hilary to Obama?
Do you think she has that kind of influence?
And if so - you're saying that these thousands of voters are not being honest - they're just lying to pollsters because oprah is coming?
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I think Oprah is part of a bigger thing - a shift in people seeing Hilary as NOT inevitable, and the media and larger groups putting resources behind him.
He's ahead in the first 3 caucus states. I am floored by that. I never would have beleived he'd be in this position, 3 weeks out.
Oprah backing a Black candidate doesn't hurt but what does that say about the idiot voters out there. This is a woman who gives away cars, supposedly reads numerous books and then book sales go up and fought beef companies. What the hell qualifies her to endorse anyone? Better yet, why do people listen to a celebrity who will always be rich even if Britney Spears was president? Like Alice Cooper said, never listen to celebs on who to vote for. She is backing him only because he is black.
I think that people listen to Oprah (for some reason) and Hilary has a lot of bad press right now. I think with polling lies that I have learned about , people skew results even in private surveys. They survey based on what they think people would find acceptable. You can research that. It happens a lot. Add a black dude into the mix and it makes sense. Who wants to seem racist? Nobody wants to think they are so they fill out the survey as a "progressive" PC minded person when they might not always be that way.
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Oprah backing a Black candidate doesn't hurt but what does that say about the idiot voters out there. This is a woman who gives away cars, supposedly reads numerous books and then book sales go up and fought beef companies. What the hell qualifies her to endorse anyone? Better yet, why do people listen to a celebrity who will always be rich even if Britney Spears was president? Like Alice Cooper said, never listen to celebs on who to vote for. She is backing him only because he is black.
I think that people listen to Oprah (for some reason) and Hilary has a lot of bad press right now. I think with polling lies that I have learned about , people skew results even in private surveys. They survey based on what they think people would find acceptable. You can research that. It happens a lot. Add a black dude into the mix and it makes sense. Who wants to seem racist? Nobody wants to think they are so they fill out the survey as a "progressive" PC minded person when they might not always be that way.
So.... all these people are lying to pollsters for the last 3 weeks because Oprah is doing a speech today?
That was your point. Do you stand by it?
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She is backing him only because he is black.
cap86,
Why didn't Oprah back Alan Keyes in 2000 when he ran for President?
He is black.
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So.... all these people are lying to pollsters for the last 3 weeks because Oprah is doing a speech today?
That was your point. Do you stand by it?
You didn't read the whole thing did you? Hilary's bad press plus the Oprah endorsement made a difference, more with the former IMO. There is a reality of poll biases. I would think you would know about that. It happens a lot in surveys; it is always something to consider with reliability, always. If you don't think a black candidate made into a front-runner candidate by the media doesn't fuck with people's voting then I don't know what to say. The guy was a nobody until the media got ahold of him and from then on it was "it is time" or "he could be the first", yada yada yada. You don't hear the thugs bragging about him; it is liberal white apologists who think this will redeem them from feeling guilty about slavery.
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cap86,
Why didn't Oprah back Alan Keyes in 2000 when he ran for President?
He is black.
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No chance of winning the Republican nomination. That's why.
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No chance of winning the Republican nomination. That's why.
He got 3rd in Iowa.
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He got 3rd in Iowa.
Okay. Colin Powell was the only Black man in recent years that could have gone far in the Republican party nomination.
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Okay. Colin Powell was the only Black man in recent years that could have gone far in the Republican party nomination.
Keyes got 3rd in Iowa.
In 3 weeks, either Romney, Rudy, McCain, or Huckabee will take 3rd in Iowa.
All all can "go far in the Republican party nomination".
Top 3 in Iowa means you can still win. So why didn't Oprah endorse Keyes?
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She is backing him only because he is black.
Maybe she is backing him only because he is white? Have you seen his mother?
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Maybe she is backing him only because he is white? Have you seen his mother?
;D. Yep, it couldn't be his Kenyan father.
I firmly believe this is the ONLY reason that Huckabee is gaining ground. ::) &feature=user It has nothing to do with Romney and Giuliani looking like idiots.
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;D. Yep, it couldn't be his Kenyan father.
I firmly believe this is the ONLY reason that Huckabee is gaining ground. ::) &feature=user It has nothing to do with Romney and Giuliani looking like idiots.
You never know. Oprah could have a thing for white men. :)
I think the Chuck Norris commercial was great, but part of the reason Huckabee has risen is he is a very strong conservative candidate. One of the few without baggage. Honest man. Good track record. He is my favorite candidate at this point. Subject to change . . . .
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You never know. Oprah could have a thing for white men. :)
I think the Chuck Norris commercial was great, but part of the reason Huckabee has risen is he is a very strong conservative candidate. One of the few without baggage. Honest man. Good track record. He is my favorite candidate at this point. Subject to change . . . .
Lol, but what about Stedman?
Huck and Chuck cracked me. I also like him as a candidate and I agree with him on the issues. As long as he sticks to his guns and doesn't plant questions ;) then I'm good. None of this Ron Paul crap.
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Lol, but what about Stedman?
Huck and Chuck cracked me. I also like him as a candidate and I agree with him on the issues. As long as he sticks to his guns and doesn't plant questions ;) then I'm good. None of this Ron Paul crap.
Danielson said he is a "beard." One of the many words I've learned on this site. :)
I doubt Huck will plant questions like Hillary.
Ron Paul is a good man, but I really don't think he has a legit shot to win the nomination. He has created a buzz, but really hasn't been moving in the polls. What's interesting is if we go back about 3 or 4 months we'd probably see Huck polling about the same as Paul (haven't looked).
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Hil will bounce back..she's the best politician in either party. She's smarter then Obama and will get her shit together. And yeah i guess i'd have to root for her to get the nomination over a guy with a weird name and a fuzzy muslim past.
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And yeah i guess i'd have to root for her to get the nomination over a guy with a weird name and a fuzzy muslim past.
Seriously! It's great they can't come up with 1.5 years of his school life now, lol.
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But.... 10 months ago.... 5 months ago.... 2 months ago....
Hilary led by 20 to 30 points in every poll.
Today, Obama leads in polls in the first 3 states. If he wins all 3, it's over.
cap86, are you saying that people were non-PC for the last year, then ALL suddenly decided to change positions at once?
I don't buy that. *IF* Obama had led all the time, okay, I might buy that. But your contention does not explain a 20 to 30 point swing in popularity in such a short time.
In the last 8-9 months, I've only spoken with ONE person who stated he would vote for Hillary.
Where is all her so-called 'support' coming from?
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As far as Dems are concerned, there are no other people running.
And that's their biggest mistake...assuming they had any true desire to re-occupy the White House in '08.
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She is backing him only because he is black.
That's a very dangerous and grossly inaccurate statement.
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That's a very dangerous and grossly inaccurate statement.
i calledf him on it with the alan keyes example.
he claimed keyes had no chance.
i pointed out that keyes took 3rd in iowa.
then he got really quiet.
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i calledf him on it with the alan keyes example.
he claimed keyes had no chance.
i pointed out that keyes took 3rd in iowa.
then he got really quiet.
Because talking about things with does not become a discussion, you just say anything to feel "right" in your argument. I'd rather talk to a wall half the time because you twist my arguments and pick out what you like blatantly ignoring the rest.
Keyes had no chance of winning the Repub nomination that year despite your stats. Colin Powell would have had a better chance.
Tre-that is a statement I feel to be correct and everyone is afraid to say it. She has stronger ties to her race than she does with Hilary as another woman.
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Because talking about things with does not become a discussion, you just say anything to feel "right" in your argument. I'd rather talk to a wall half the time because you twist my arguments and pick out what you like blatantly ignoring the rest.
Keyes had no chance of winning the Repub nomination that year despite your stats. Colin Powell would have had a better chance.
Tre-that is a statement I feel to be correct and everyone is afraid to say it. She has stronger ties to her race than she does with Hilary as another woman.
Your argument - She supports him because he is black - has zero evidence.
My argument - She passed up top black candidates in the past - has evidence.
You have your gut feeling and an assertion that a person who gets 3rd in Iowa cannot win the presidency. I challenge you to see what Clinton, Bush1 and 2 placed in Iowa.
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Tre-that is a statement I feel to be correct and everyone is afraid to say it. She has stronger ties to her race than she does with Hilary as another woman.
Suggesting that Oprah is torn between supporting 'another woman' vs 'another Black' is just ridiculous.
Anyone with an ounce of common sense can see how badly the Republicans have mismanaged national affairs in the past 5 years, so Oprah looked for a half-decent Democrat to support. They refused to give her a truly electable candidate...Obama is closest to what she'd like to see, so that's why he's got her support.
The fact that the Democrats couldn't come up with a viable candidate in the 7 years since Bush took office is proof that they aren't ready to run the country.
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Your argument - She supports him because he is black - has zero evidence.
My argument - She passed up top black candidates in the past - has evidence.
You have your gut feeling and an assertion that a person who gets 3rd in Iowa cannot win the presidency. I challenge you to see what Clinton, Bush1 and 2 placed in Iowa.
She passed up black candidates in the past; okay, let's analyze that. A liberal black person not supporting a black Republican who would not have been elected, makes sense to me. If there was another black candidate that had a chance to get elected on a Dem ticket (other than Obama in this election) she would have backed him; big reason why she wouldn't support a guy like Sharpton. What's your point? If their politics don't match up and he doesn't have a chance to win, why back him? He is a black dude who the media have turned into a golden boy with a chance to win so she throws her name out there.
Keyes lost because he was a black man against white dudes in the Republican party who had better connections. You really think all those southern Republicans would have voted for him? I don't.
Tre-you don't think so. The Dems have a chance to win next year and these two can (unfortunately) do it. I definitely think that is what it boils down to for Oprah. I always said we will see a black male president before a female and the golden boy image Obama has with Dems led to Oprah endorsing the "black man with a chance".
The two of you can spare me all you want. If Obama was not a black man this would be a non issue. Now enjoy spending minutes coming up with witty self-righteous retorts but it won't change anything. Apparently race doesn't play a factor in anything. ::)
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She passed up black candidates in the past; okay, let's analyze that. A liberal black person not supporting a black Republican who would not have been elected, makes sense to me. If there was another black candidate that had a chance to get elected on a Dem ticket (other than Obama in this election) she would have backed him; big reason why she wouldn't support a guy like Sharpton. What's your point? If their politics don't match up and he doesn't have a chance to win, why back him?
You said she backed him because he was black.
Now you're saying that she backed him because he's black, AND because he's a democrat.
You've already undermined yourself.
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You said she backed him because he was black.
Now you're saying that she backed him because he's black, AND because he's a democrat.
You've already undermined yourself.
Aside from her recent bad press, what separates the two in terms of politics? This should have already been implied in your mind (as it was in mine) but a liberal black woman in Hollywood is not going to back a Repub candidate so if you consider the Hollywood trend and politics are the same, what else is there aside from skin color?
I know you like to feel superior and smart but save the "I want to win" attitude. If you would have read my argument from the beginning instead of twisting it then we would be on topic still.
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Aside from her recent bad press, what separates the two in terms of politics?
which 2?
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Aside from her recent bad press, what separates the two in terms of politics? This should have already been implied in your mind (as it was in mine) but a liberal black woman in Hollywood is not going to back a Repub candidate so if you consider the Hollywood trend and politics are the same, what else is there aside from skin color?
I know you like to feel superior and smart but save the "I want to win" attitude. If you would have read my argument from the beginning instead of twisting it then we would be on topic still.
Party affiliation should have been implied in my mind? Why would it? You made it a strictly racial thing.
"She is backing him only because he is black. "
You removed party affiliation from the discussion with this qualifier.
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which 2?
My apologies, Hilary and Obama.
Party affiliation should be implied because Hollywood and the black community are predominantly Liberal/Democrats. I stand by my remarks because nothing else sets him apart from Dems.
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"She is backing him only because he is black. "
You first implied it as she is seen as "taking away" from Clinton's normal vote.
So are you saying Oprah takes no black votes or drives no new race votes to Obama?
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You first implied it as she is seen as "taking away" from Clinton's normal vote.
So are you saying Oprah takes no black votes or drives no new race votes to Obama?
That and all the idiots who buy books because she "endorses" them. She makes books become top sellers simply because she backs them. Black people and others of color love Oprah and will vote for her candidate. She backed him over Hilary (same politics) because he is black and people follow suit, not to mention they feel like they are doing the "right" and "progressive" thing by voting for him.
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That and all the idiots who buy books because she "endorses" them. She makes books become top sellers simply because she backs them. Black people and others of color love Oprah and will vote for her candidate. She backed him over Hilary (same politics) because he is black and people follow suit, not to mention they feel like they are doing the "right" and "progressive" thing by voting for him.
That is what I am saying. There is strong evidence that Oprah is doing this to prop the black female voters (with emphasis on skin color).
Oprah mentions black and decker as a good company the stock jumps 15%, oprah says she is going to start a vegetable diet the meat company sues her.
How do you say it's not because she wants him to win, Clinton's past African American vote? That is their target audience, does not take a rocket scientists to figure that crap out, pure and simple marketing.
"Progressive" that is another token word Oprah used in a choppy speech. It's actually coming out how she is not a good pun on words for the political arena.
New Hampshire, Iowa...who cares...can we say Gore and Dean. South Carolina is what matters.
In the end this Hollywood hooray will hurt Obama, America is getting ever tired of Hollywood's antics and decision making....ask Barbara Walters
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She backed him over Hilary (same politics) because he is black and people follow suit, not to mention they feel like they are doing the "right" and "progressive" thing by voting for him.
People don't just choose a candidate because of his/her politics.
They also choose a candidate for his/her leadership and decision making ability, even if they don't always agree with his/her positions on issues.
Obama had foresight to condemn the war in Iraq when everyone else was gung-ho.
He was right all along. He had the same info as everyone else, and made the RIGHT decision. Hilary and most of the others did not. People may choose Obama because he makes good decisions, is a washington outsider, has no history of corruption like Hilary does, etc.
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People don't just choose a candidate because of his/her politics.
They also choose a candidate for his/her leadership and decision making ability, even if they don't always agree with his/her positions on issues.
Obama had foresight to condemn the war in Iraq when everyone else was gung-ho.
He was right all along. He had the same info as everyone else, and made the RIGHT decision. Hilary and most of the others did not. People may choose Obama because he makes good decisions, is a washington outsider, has no history of corruption like Hilary does, etc.
According to you, aside from the deaths, the war was the right decision that will ensure your/my/our way of life for at least our life times and our kids. So what's the big deal?
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According to you, aside from the deaths, the war was the right decision that will ensure your/my/our way of life for at least our life times and our kids. So what's the big deal?
Ah, so my personal view on the war is in some way relevant to the argument that Oprah only backs Obama because of his race?
Monster red herringage.
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Ah, so my personal view on the war is in some way relevant to the argument that Oprah only backs Obama because of his race?
Monster red herringage.
Lol. It is because you talked about his political stance. I responded to that portion of your post where you talked about him taking the "right" stance on the war. As they say in court, "you opened the door counselor". No red herring, simple response.
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Lol. It is because you talked about his political stance. I responded to that portion of your post where you talked about him taking the "right" stance on the war. As they say in court, "you opened the door counselor". No red herring, simple response.
his position - that iraq posed no WMD threat - was the historically correct one, and therefore the 'right' one.
Typically, we don't assign the word 'right' to a position later decimated by lots and lots of evidence. Some even use the word 'wrong'.
So, counselor, his stance was "right" in the factual, not the partisan, sense. Your rebuttal?
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his position - that iraq posed no WMD threat - was the historically correct one, and therefore the 'right' one.
Typically, we don't assign the word 'right' to a position later decimated by lots and lots of evidence. Some even use the word 'wrong'.
So, counselor, his stance was "right" in the factual, not the partisan, sense. Your rebuttal?
Maybe you should have been explicit in your argument the first time, the same way you posted about my not mentioning politics in reference to Oprah's support.
Regardless, that doesn't make him qualified to lead this country. With what you have posted prior about the war being good for the future, would you support him because he voted this way? Should this be the only reason people vote for him? There are other pressing issues in addition to the war so I really don't think that choosing not to kill other Muslims makes him a great candidate.
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Maybe you should have been explicit in your argument the first time, the same way you posted about my not mentioning politics in reference to Oprah's support.
Regardless, that doesn't make him qualified to lead this country. With what you have posted prior about the war being good for the future, would you support him because he voted this way? Should this be the only reason people vote for him? There are other pressing issues in addition to the war so I really don't think that choosing not to kill other Muslims makes him a great candidate.
I never said he was qualified.
I said that some voters will choose him because of his past deeds, not just proposed policies.
There are lots of reasons not to vote for him, which you brought up even though they are not related to thie discussion. I don't think he's got the spine to be president - I think he's soft. I don't think anyone running from either party is perfect for the job. I have very high standards for my president. I'd like to see a PhD with a 180 IQ who can pass a morality polygraph. Wouldn't you?
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I never said he was qualified.
I said that some voters will choose him because of his past deeds, not just proposed policies.
There are lots of reasons not to vote for him, which you brought up even though they are not related to thie discussion. I don't think he's got the spine to be president - I think he's soft. I don't think anyone running from either party is perfect for the job. I have very high standards for my president. I'd like to see a PhD with a 180 IQ who can pass a morality polygraph. Wouldn't you?
That means very little to me, except for the morality but even moral men become corrupt in office. I want someone who can inspire a country, make the Presidency something to value and someone with life experience. I'd like to see a normal Joe win.
I consider his voting record part of his politics. Nothing sets Obama apart from others besides his religion and skin color, one of which Oprah shares.
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That means very little to me, except for the morality but even moral men become corrupt in office. I want someone who can inspire a country, make the Presidency something to value and someone with life experience. I'd like to see a normal Joe win.
Most normal joes cannot comprehend nor flourish in the highest stress job in the world.
Most top candidates are very successful and worldly and know how the world works. Think about most joe 6-packs you know. smoke a little pot, steal a little from work, try their best, maybe cheat on the missus, save not enough... should I go on? I want a smart, confident, moral person controlling the "button" and the economy my grandkids will inherit. Not some "normal joe" with 2 years of community college.
I consider his voting record part of his politics. Nothing sets Obama apart from others besides his religion and skin color, one of which Oprah shares.
Weird. You consider his voting record part of his politics.
You said he and hilary have identical politics.
They voted opposites on the war.
Logic error found.
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Apparently race doesn't play a factor in anything. ::)
Oh, but it does.
Your argument that Oprah supports Obama 'because he's Black' doesn't wash.
But you and I both know millions of Americans will vote against Obama 'because he's Black'.
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Oh, but it does.
Your argument that Oprah supports Obama 'because he's Black' doesn't wash.
But you and I both know millions of Americans will vote FOR Obama 'because he's Black'.
Fixed, works both ways
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Most normal joes cannot comprehend nor flourish in the highest stress job in the world.
Most top candidates are very successful and worldly and know how the world works. Think about most joe 6-packs you know. smoke a little pot, steal a little from work, try their best, maybe cheat on the missus, save not enough... should I go on? I want a smart, confident, moral person controlling the "button" and the economy my grandkids will inherit. Not some "normal joe" with 2 years of community college.
Weird. You consider his voting record part of his politics.
You said he and hilary have identical politics.
They voted opposites on the war.
Logic error found.
Lol. You really like to try and "win". It amuses me. In terms of average Joe I don't mean you, I mean a guy who I can look at and trust. A guy that doesn't simply tout degrees but has real life experience as well knowledge and care of what average people want in addition to knowing they also have to cater to the upper class but never betray those who vote them into office. A pipe dream if you will.
One vote doesn't make their liberal Democratic politics different, so no logic error. Their current stances and liberal agenda are the same (not identitcal so quit twisting words), no logic error. Saying you will pull troops out and actually doing it are different things, standard politics; maybe the people in Missouri will mention their motto. They are the liberal PC dream for an election. If you don't vote Hilary you hate women and are "regressive" and if you don't vote Obama you are racist and regressive.
Tre-quit trying to play the sympathy card and accept that people will vote for or against him on his background not based on his qualifications/politics.
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They voted opposites on the war.
Logic error found.
Obama never voted on the war bro. He has only voted on the War spending bill, and the annual appropriations bill, and a resolutions bill.
On top of that, he's missed 35% of votes this year so any real logic is lost anyways with regards to his votes
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Obama never voted on the war bro. He has only voted on the War spending bill, and the annual appropriations bill, and a resolutions bill.
On top of that, he's missed 35% of votes this year so any real logic is lost anyways with regards to his votes
What 240 intentionally missed in my post was that they are pretty much carbon copy liberal candidates. I never said identical but he likes to throw in words I never used. Obamary might as well be a couple as it were because they are too similar to tell the difference, aside from their plumbing and skin color. The same is true of Mitt and Rudy, that's where Huckabee comes in.
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Oprah's audience is apparently predominantly white:
"Oprah's audience is also predominantly white: 5.9 million of whites watch Oprah, compared with 1.4 million blacks. Her reach among the Hispanic population is tiny -- only about 230,000 Hispanics watch the show daily."
http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/12/07/502240.aspx
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Oprah's audience is apparently predominantly white:
'Apparently'?
I've seen several of her shows over the years and the audience - as well as those talking about her show in public places - is as pure as the driven snow.
I maintain that if Oprah were to run, she would have a strong chance of winning either party's nomination.
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'Apparently'?
I've seen several of her shows over the years and the audience - as well as those talking about her show in public places - is as pure as the driven snow.
I maintain that if Oprah were to run, she would have a strong chance of winning either party's nomination.
I say "apparently" because I never watch her show and I'm only quoting someone else's numbers that I haven't verified.
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I say "apparently" because I never watch her show and I'm only quoting someone else's numbers that I haven't verified.
I don't know the exact numbers, but next time you have a spare moment, take a peek at the show just so you can see the audience.
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I don't know the exact numbers, but next time you have a spare moment, take a peek at the show just so you can see the audience.
O.K.
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Oprah's audience is apparently predominantly white:
"Oprah's audience is also predominantly white: 5.9 million of whites watch Oprah, compared with 1.4 million blacks. Her reach among the Hispanic population is tiny -- only about 230,000 Hispanics watch the show daily."
http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/12/07/502240.aspx
So that would lend some credence to my assertion that (wealthy) white liberals will make the "progressive" choice and vote for "the black guy".
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I maintain that if Oprah were to run, she would have a strong chance of winning either party's nomination.
Absolutely correct.
She would destroy any candidate in debates and her respect for other positions.
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So that would lend some credence to my assertion that (wealthy) white liberals will make the "progressive" choice and vote for "the black guy".
Or it could diminish your assertion that this is solely race-based support on her behalf, because many whites will not vote for a half-black man. It also assumes most of her audience constitutes white liberals. (I have no idea.)
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Or it could diminish your assertion that this is solely race-based support on her behalf, because many whites will not vote for a half-black man. It also assumes most of her audience constitutes white liberals. (I have no idea.)
i dont know either. I'd guess many in her audience are repubs (housewives able to stay home and watch her/attend show - dems are typically poorer and more likely to have mom working days too)
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Absolutely correct.
She would destroy any candidate in debates and her respect for other positions.
A communication major talk show host is hardly someone I want running this country. Being successful from a talk show and a meat law suit is not presidential material. Should we lump Dr. Phil in with her as presidential hopefuls?
BB-Her support for Obama is based on race. I stand by that. White libs will vote for him to do the "right thing". Who else will vote for him (blacks or her audience) is something that "youandme" stated and I agree with but was not my original thought. I know 240 will reference this so again, I said white libs will vote for him and Oprah supported him as a like minded candidate who is also black (I clarified my point later).
Many moms, Repub or Dem, work today. Do you classify yourself as a stay at home mom Rob? You assert you are Republican.
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Do you classify yourself as a stay at home mom Rob? You assert you are Republican.
No, I'm a stay at home dad who runs a FT business at nights and on the weekends.
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A communication major talk show host is hardly someone I want running this country. Being successful from a talk show and a meat law suit is not presidential material. Should we lump Dr. Phil in with her as presidential hopefuls?
Oprah is a billionaire.
Oprah has a very good way of getting through to people.
If she wanted to run, she'd be a force.
Remember - she doesn't have to possess the experience - she just has to convince america she'd surround herself with experienced people, and she'd bring wisdom and level-headedness to the job.
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Should we lump Dr. Phil in with her as presidential hopefuls?
That's not a bad idea. It would be nice to see the White House occupied by someone with a little common sense.
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Oprah is a billionaire.
Oprah has a very good way of getting through to people.
If she wanted to run, she'd be a force.
Remember - she doesn't have to possess the experience - she just has to convince america she'd surround herself with experienced people, and she'd bring wisdom and level-headedness to the job.
So aside from her show she'd just be an "average Jane" with a COM degree who can hire the right people? I know plenty of those.
She gets through to people because they think she matters, but she doesn't.
Tre-the only problem with that is that his wife is the brains behind all his ideas. ;)
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it's mainly about conformity.
Conforming to mainstream associations, since "majority rule" tactics dictate winners and losers, before the race has even begun people now see the spotlight being put on Obama through Oprah's help...strike for the conformists (the people that watch the television show) now take into account her striving for a candidate of the same race, and having both him and her relate stories of past suppression and embrace empathy from voters....strike from caucasion sympathizers.....
That's not a bad idea. It would be nice to see the White House occupied by someone with a little common sense.
Umm yeah cause the guy makes such sense "the bulldozer can only work with the key turned, turn it on and get to dozing"
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A communication major talk show host is hardly someone I want running this country. Being successful from a talk show and a meat law suit is not presidential material. Should we lump Dr. Phil in with her as presidential hopefuls?
BB-Her support for Obama is based on race. I stand by that. White libs will vote for him to do the "right thing". Who else will vote for him (blacks or her audience) is something that "youandme" stated and I agree with but was not my original thought. I know 240 will reference this so again, I said white libs will vote for him and Oprah supported him as a like minded candidate who is also black (I clarified my point later).
Many moms, Repub or Dem, work today. Do you classify yourself as a stay at home mom Rob? You assert you are Republican.
I can't really deny that she was likely drawn to Obama in part because of race, which doesn't bother me, but I think she probably identifies with his politics more than his skin color.
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Oprah just needs to shut her big mouth and keep her political opinions to herself. She knows she influences A LOT of people who will vote just as she will without even doing any research themselves. If it's good for Oprah than it's gotta be good for me. ::)
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She is backing him only because he is black.
That a pretty racist charge don't you think? Obama isn't the first Black presidential candidate.
I suppose if she chose to back Hilary, you would say she's doing it because Hilary is a woman.
By your line of reasoning anyone who wants Romney must be Mormon, or anyone who wants Huckabee must be a white male, or anyone who wants Guiliani must be a white loudmouth arrogant Catholic male. :-\
How do you explain Barbra Streisand's relentless support of President Clinton when he ran for office, ...or her support for Al Gore when he ran? Do you think she might have supported Gore in 2000 cause his running mate was a Jew? ::) When do intelligent adults who support and campaign for candidates you don't support get the benefit of simply believing in their candidates? Why is it in your estimation, a choice made based on criteria other than the issues?
I think that people listen to Oprah (for some reason) and Hilary has a lot of bad press right now. I think with polling lies that I have learned about , people skew results even in private surveys. They survey based on what they think people would find acceptable. You can research that. It happens a lot. Add a black dude into the mix and it makes sense. Who wants to seem racist? Nobody wants to think they are so they fill out the survey as a "progressive" PC minded person when they might not always be that way.
So basically the people being polled are stupid and simply vying for who Oprah says to support?
Or is it that you believe they are lying? Which is it?
Add a black dude in the mix? no Cap, ...add a democratic candidate in the mix.
Sounds to me like you're the one who can't see past colour. :-\
I get the feeling that if he lost the election, you would say it wasn't because people liked Ron Paul's platform so much more, ...it was because Obama is a Black man. Conversely, if he won the election, ...you would explain it away by rationalizing voters used their anonymous vote to vote for a Black man, ...so they wouldn't seem like racists. ::)
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That a pretty racist charge don't you think? Obama isn't the first Black presidential candidate. First black male with a legitimate chance to get elected by HIS party. Keyes, no. Powell would have been better. Sharpton, Jackson, hahaha. The media made this dude some golden boy who will be the first real black male contender for the Presidency. Good press does it all. Racist? Nope.
I suppose if she chose to back Hilary, you would say she's doing it because Hilary is a woman. With Hilary's bad press, she would not touch her. I don't think she would have realistically touched anyone but Obama. Do you really think she would touch a candidate who couldn't win?
By your line of reasoning anyone who wants Romney must be Mormon, or anyone who wants Huckabee must be a white male, or anyone who wants Guiliani must be a white loudmouth arrogant Catholic male. :-\ God forbid there is a Catholic or Mormon. BTW, I would support Powell and I'm not black so....
How do you explain Barbra Streisand's relentless support of President Clinton when he ran for office, ...or her support for Al Gore when he ran? Do you think she might have supported Gore in 2000 cause his running mate was a Jew? ::) When do intelligent adults who support and campaign for candidates you don't support get the benefit of simply believing in their candidates? Why is it in your estimation, a choice made based on criteria other than the issues? Jews are tied into money and our nation has ties to Israel. Liberman being the mix certainly helps.
So basically the people being polled are stupid and simply vying for who Oprah says to support?
Or is it that you believe they are lying? Which is it? They are stupid for supporting HER position and I think people being polled there don't want to seem racist. If your family, friends, coworkers were there would you want to explain why you didn't poll for the black dude?
Add a black dude in the mix? no Cap, ...add a democratic candidate in the mix.
Sounds to me like you're the one who can't see past colour. :-\ Him being in the race makes it an issue with color. Why can't he just be A candidate? Call me racist all you want but the media is making this a race issue by saying "this can be the year", "this can be history", etc. Oprah in the mix makes this worse.
I get the feeling that if he lost the election, you would say it wasn't because people liked Ron Paul's platform so much more, ...it was because Obama is a Black man. Conversely, if he won the election, ...you would explain it away by rationalizing voters used their anonymous vote to vote for a Black man, ...so they wouldn't seem like racists. ::) Ron Paul is an idiot and dupes many young liberal moronic people, mostly my age group. If he wins it will be large in part to race apologists and people wanting to seem progressive. He has nothing more to offer than any other candidate. He made a vote about WMD. One vote does not a president make. He is weak and like others have said has done little outside that one vote.
I knew you'd hit this thread.
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You didn't read the whole thing did you? Hilary's bad press plus the Oprah endorsement made a difference, more with the former IMO. There is a reality of poll biases. I would think you would know about that. It happens a lot in surveys; it is always something to consider with reliability, always. If you don't think a black candidate made into a front-runner candidate by the media doesn't fuck with people's voting then I don't know what to say. The guy was a nobody until the media got ahold of him and from then on it was "it is time" or "he could be the first", yada yada yada.
Anyone made a front-runner candidate by the media fucks with people's voting.
Just look at GWB's rise to prominence in '99. The guy hadn't even uttered a single word to the press yet they had him pegged as the front runner since day 1. His handlers were smart to keep a microphone away from him as long as possible. But what makes you think it is the media making Obama a front runner?
You don't hear the thugs bragging about him; it is liberal white apologists who think this will redeem them from feeling guilty about slavery.
Ohhhh... Thugs? What thugs are you refering to? ???
For that matter, what makes you think this is liberal white apologists feeling guilty over slavery?
Perhaps it could simply be democratic and possibly a few republican voters sick & tried of beltway insiders and the past 8 years of war-mongering politicians who might actually like what he has to say.
Appears to me like the 2 seemingly long shot candidates from either side of the aisle have tapped into the pulse of the American voter that is sick of BS, lies, and war-mongering and want America to rise up and finally live out her creed as defined in the US Constitution and the Bill of Rights.
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My apologies, Hilary and Obama.
Party affiliation should be implied because Hollywood and the black community are predominantly Liberal/Democrats. I stand by my remarks because nothing else sets him apart from Dems.
I could be wrong, but it has always been my opinion that Oprah was a republican,
...but given the debacle of the last 8 yrs, ...I know their are many ex-Republicans throwing support behind Democrats.
And your Hollywood Democrats argument is rubbish. It certain doesn't explain Ronald Reagan, Fred Thompson, Sonny Bono, or Arnold Schwarzenegger. even Gopher was a Republican. And how do you explain Chuck Norris' endorsement of Huckabee?
There are just as many Republicans in Hollywood as there are Democrats.
The only difference is the Democrats have always been very vocal.
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I could be wrong, but it has always been my opinion that Oprah was a republican,
...but given the debacle of the last 8 yrs, ...I know their are many ex-Republicans throwing support behind Democrats.
And your Hollywood Democrats argument is rubbish. It certain doesn't explain Ronald Reagan, Fred Thompson, Sonny Bono, or Arnold Schwarzenegger. even Gopher was a Republican. And how do you explain Chuck Norris' endorsement of Huckabee?
There are just as many Republicans in Hollywood as there are Democrats.
The only difference is the Democrats have always been very vocal.
Hmm, you named four in politics but other than those how many can you claim as Repubs? All we ever hear are the idiots Dems in Hollywood bitching about things in the world when they would be rich no matter who is in office. I'm still waiting for Baldwin and Basinger to head to your neck of the woods. Naming a small number of people doesn't make Hollywood balanced and I think you know that. Of course there are always us country music fans. ;D
Why wouldn't Hollywood Repubs come out in record droves to ensure "their" candidate? If they want a win they should lend their support.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uselections2004/story/0,13918,1184818,00.html
http://webcenters.netscape.compuserve.com/celebrity/becksmith.jsp?p=ce_bsf_143
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That is what I am saying. There is strong evidence that Oprah is doing this to prop the black female voters (with emphasis on skin color).
Except you fail to consider the fact that Oprah's audience for the most part, and the demographic with whom she has the most influence is white suburban housewives.
Oprah mentions black and decker as a good company the stock jumps 15%, oprah says she is going to start a vegetable diet the meat company sues her.
How do you say it's not because she wants him to win, Clinton's past African American vote? That is their target audience, does not take a rocket scientists to figure that crap out, pure and simple marketing.
Of course she wants him to win. She wouldn't be putting in all that effort for him to lose. What I wanna know if why the claim that she has picked him because he is black?
"Progressive" that is another token word Oprah used in a choppy speech. It's actually coming out how she is not a good pun on words for the political arena.
I seem to recall Hilary using that word in the Democratic debates when asked if she would consider herself a "Liberal"
New Hampshire, Iowa...who cares...can we say Gore and Dean. South Carolina is what matters.
In the end this Hollywood hooray will hurt Obama, America is getting ever tired of Hollywood's antics and decision making....ask Barbara Walters
Speaking of Barbara Walters, ...I saw an interesting article the other day wherein trump claims she lied to both him & Rosie O'Donnell. :o Now she wouldn't be the type to manipulate and throw gasoline on an already heated feud in order to garner additinal ratings would she?
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A communication major talk show host is hardly someone I want running this country.
Certainly preferable to, and couldn't be worse than an AWOL drunk and coke addict
Being successful from a talk show and a meat law suit is not presidential material.
Oprah was successful before the cattle growers association sued her. That's why they did it.
BB-Her support for Obama is based on race. I stand by that.
And no doubt will be able to substantiate this with proof, ...or even a somewhat plausible theory?
One that is reasonable to thinking non-bigots?
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So aside from her show she'd just be an "average Jane" with a COM degree who can hire the right people? I know plenty of those.
She gets through to people because they think she matters, but she doesn't.
Tre-the only problem with that is that his wife is the brains behind all his ideas. ;)
Oprah gets through to people. That means she matters!
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Hmm, you named four in politics but other than those how many can you claim as Repubs? All we ever hear are the idiots Dems in Hollywood bitching about things in the world when they would be rich no matter who is in office. I'm still waiting for Baldwin and Basinger to head to your neck of the woods.
We'll take Basinger, ...but you're more than welcome to keep Baldwin. :-X
Naming a small number of people doesn't make Hollywood balanced and I think you know that. Of course there are always us country music fans. ;D
ARGHHH!!! Why am I not surprised we have guys like you to thank for that tripe! {LOL}
Other than Garth Brooks, ...you can chuck all the rest!
Why wouldn't Hollywood Repubs come out in record droves to ensure "their" candidate? If they want a win they should lend their support.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uselections2004/story/0,13918,1184818,00.html
http://webcenters.netscape.compuserve.com/celebrity/becksmith.jsp?p=ce_bsf_143
Probably 'cause they have such drek to choose from. if you don't have a candidate you can feel good about, ...you shut your mouth. Republicans are used to having shit for candidates, Democrats aren't. :D
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Paris Hilton gets through to people. That means she matters!
yeah we see your logic
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...but given the debacle of the last 8 yrs, ...I know their are many ex-Republicans throwing support behind Democrats.
*raises hand*