"He is the One"

[Cap]

Most normal joes cannot comprehend nor flourish in the highest stress job in the world.
Most top candidates are very successful and worldly and know how the world works.  Think about most joe 6-packs you know.  smoke a little pot, steal a little from work, try their best, maybe cheat on the missus, save not enough... should I go on?  I want a smart, confident, moral person controlling the "button" and the economy my grandkids will inherit.  Not some "normal joe" with 2 years of community college.

Weird.  You consider his voting record part of his politics.
You said he and hilary have identical politics.
They voted opposites on the war.

Logic error found.

Lol. You really like to try and "win".  It amuses me.  In terms of average Joe I don't mean you, I mean a guy who I can look at and trust.  A guy that doesn't simply tout degrees but has real life experience as well knowledge and care of what average people want in addition to knowing they also have to cater to the upper class but never betray those who vote them into office.  A pipe dream if you will.

One vote doesn't make their liberal Democratic politics different, so no logic error.  Their current stances and liberal agenda are the same (not identitcal so quit twisting words), no logic error.  Saying you will pull troops out and actually doing it are different things, standard politics; maybe the people in Missouri will mention their motto.  They are the liberal PC dream for an election.  If you don't vote Hilary you hate women and are "regressive" and if you don't vote Obama you are racist and regressive. 

Tre-quit trying to play the sympathy card and accept that people will vote for or against him on his background not based on his qualifications/politics.

[youandme]

They voted opposites on the war.

Logic error found.

Obama never voted on the war bro. He has only voted on the War spending bill, and the annual appropriations bill, and a resolutions bill.

On top of that, he's missed 35% of votes this year so any real logic is lost anyways with regards to his votes

[Cap]

Obama never voted on the war bro. He has only voted on the War spending bill, and the annual appropriations bill, and a resolutions bill.

On top of that, he's missed 35% of votes this year so any real logic is lost anyways with regards to his votes

What 240 intentionally missed in my post was that they are pretty much carbon copy liberal candidates.  I never said identical but he likes to throw in words I never used.  Obamary might as well be a couple as it were because they are too similar to tell the difference, aside from their plumbing and skin color.  The same is true of Mitt and Rudy, that's where Huckabee comes in.

[Dos Equis]

Oprah's audience is apparently predominantly white: 

"Oprah's audience is also predominantly white: 5.9 million of whites watch Oprah, compared with 1.4 million blacks. Her reach among the Hispanic population is tiny -- only about 230,000 Hispanics watch the show daily." 
http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/12/07/502240.aspx

[Tre]

Oprah's audience is apparently predominantly white: 

'Apparently'?

I've seen several of her shows over the years and the audience - as well as those talking about her show in public places - is as pure as the driven snow. 

I maintain that if Oprah were to run, she would have a strong chance of winning either party's nomination. 

[Dos Equis]

'Apparently'?

I've seen several of her shows over the years and the audience - as well as those talking about her show in public places - is as pure as the driven snow. 

I maintain that if Oprah were to run, she would have a strong chance of winning either party's nomination. 

I say "apparently" because I never watch her show and I'm only quoting someone else's numbers that I haven't verified. 

[Tre]

I say "apparently" because I never watch her show and I'm only quoting someone else's numbers that I haven't verified. 

I don't know the exact numbers, but next time you have a spare moment, take a peek at the show just so you can see the audience. 

[Dos Equis]

I don't know the exact numbers, but next time you have a spare moment, take a peek at the show just so you can see the audience. 

O.K.

[Cap]

Oprah's audience is apparently predominantly white: 

"Oprah's audience is also predominantly white: 5.9 million of whites watch Oprah, compared with 1.4 million blacks. Her reach among the Hispanic population is tiny -- only about 230,000 Hispanics watch the show daily." 
http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/12/07/502240.aspx

So that would lend some credence to my assertion that (wealthy) white liberals will make the "progressive" choice and vote for "the black guy".

[240 is Back]

I maintain that if Oprah were to run, she would have a strong chance of winning either party's nomination. 

Absolutely correct.

She would destroy any candidate in debates and her respect for other positions. 

[Dos Equis]

So that would lend some credence to my assertion that (wealthy) white liberals will make the "progressive" choice and vote for "the black guy".

Or it could diminish your assertion that this is solely race-based support on her behalf, because many whites will not vote for a half-black man.  It also assumes most of her audience constitutes white liberals.  (I have no idea.)

[240 is Back]

Or it could diminish your assertion that this is solely race-based support on her behalf, because many whites will not vote for a half-black man.  It also assumes most of her audience constitutes white liberals.  (I have no idea.)

i dont know either.  I'd guess many in her audience are repubs (housewives able to stay home and watch her/attend show - dems are typically poorer and more likely to have mom working days too)

[Cap]

Absolutely correct.

She would destroy any candidate in debates and her respect for other positions. 

A communication major talk show host is hardly someone I want running this country.  Being successful from a talk show and a meat law suit is not presidential material.  Should we lump Dr. Phil in with her as presidential hopefuls? 

BB-Her support for Obama is based on race.  I stand by that.  White libs will vote for him to do the "right thing".  Who else will vote for him (blacks or her audience) is something that "youandme" stated and I agree with but was not my original thought.  I know 240 will reference this so again, I said white libs will vote for him and Oprah supported him as a like minded candidate who is also black (I clarified my point later). 

Many moms, Repub or Dem, work today.  Do you classify yourself as a stay at home mom Rob?  You assert you are Republican.

[240 is Back]

Do you classify yourself as a stay at home mom Rob?  You assert you are Republican.

No, I'm a stay at home dad who runs a FT business at nights and on the weekends.

[240 is Back]

A communication major talk show host is hardly someone I want running this country.  Being successful from a talk show and a meat law suit is not presidential material.  Should we lump Dr. Phil in with her as presidential hopefuls? 

Oprah is a billionaire.

Oprah has a very good way of getting through to people.

If she wanted to run, she'd be a force.   

Remember - she doesn't have to possess the experience - she just has to convince america she'd surround herself with experienced people, and she'd bring wisdom and level-headedness to the job.   

[Tre]

Should we lump Dr. Phil in with her as presidential hopefuls? 

That's not a bad idea.  It would be nice to see the White House occupied by someone with a little common sense.

[Cap]

Oprah is a billionaire.

Oprah has a very good way of getting through to people.

If she wanted to run, she'd be a force.   

Remember - she doesn't have to possess the experience - she just has to convince america she'd surround herself with experienced people, and she'd bring wisdom and level-headedness to the job.   

So aside from her show she'd just be an "average Jane" with a COM degree who can hire the right people?  I know plenty of those.

She gets through to people because they think she matters, but she doesn't.

Tre-the only problem with that is that his wife is the brains behind all his ideas.    

[youandme]

it's mainly about conformity.

Conforming to mainstream associations, since "majority rule" tactics dictate winners and losers, before the race has even begun people now see the spotlight being put on Obama through Oprah's help...strike for the conformists (the people that watch the television show) now take into account her striving for a candidate of the same race, and having both him and her relate stories of past suppression and embrace empathy from voters....strike from caucasion sympathizers.....

That's not a bad idea.  It would be nice to see the White House occupied by someone with a little common sense.

Umm yeah cause the guy makes such sense "the bulldozer can only work with the key turned, turn it on and get to dozing"

[Dos Equis]

A communication major talk show host is hardly someone I want running this country.  Being successful from a talk show and a meat law suit is not presidential material.  Should we lump Dr. Phil in with her as presidential hopefuls? 

BB-Her support for Obama is based on race.  I stand by that.  White libs will vote for him to do the "right thing".  Who else will vote for him (blacks or her audience) is something that "youandme" stated and I agree with but was not my original thought.  I know 240 will reference this so again, I said white libs will vote for him and Oprah supported him as a like minded candidate who is also black (I clarified my point later). 

Many moms, Repub or Dem, work today.  Do you classify yourself as a stay at home mom Rob?  You assert you are Republican.

I can't really deny that she was likely drawn to Obama in part because of race, which doesn't bother me, but I think she probably identifies with his politics more than his skin color. 

[Bindare_Dundat]

Oprah just needs to shut her big mouth and keep her political opinions to herself. She knows she influences A LOT of people who will vote just as she will without even doing any research themselves. If it's good for Oprah than it's gotta be good for me. 

[24KT]

She is backing him only because he is black.

That a pretty racist charge don't you think? Obama isn't the first Black presidential candidate.

I suppose if she chose to back Hilary, you would say she's doing it because Hilary is a woman.

By your line of reasoning anyone who wants Romney must be Mormon, or anyone who wants Huckabee must be a white male, or anyone who wants Guiliani must be a white loudmouth arrogant Catholic male. 

How do you explain Barbra Streisand's relentless support of President Clinton when he ran for office, ...or her support for Al Gore when he ran? Do you think she might have supported Gore in 2000 cause his running mate was a Jew?  When do intelligent adults who support and campaign for candidates you don't support get the benefit of simply believing in their candidates? Why is it in your estimation, a choice made based on criteria other than the issues?

I think that people listen to Oprah (for some reason) and Hilary has a lot of bad press right now.  I think with polling lies that I have learned about , people skew results even in private surveys.  They survey based on what they think people would find acceptable.  You can research that.  It happens a lot.  Add a black dude into the mix and it makes sense.  Who wants to seem racist?  Nobody wants to think they are so they fill out the survey as a "progressive" PC minded person when they might not always be that way.

So basically the people being polled are stupid and simply vying for who Oprah says to support?
Or is it that you believe they are lying? Which is it?

Add a black dude in the mix? no Cap, ...add a democratic candidate in the mix.
Sounds to me like you're the one who can't see past colour. 

I get the feeling that if he lost the election, you would say it wasn't because people liked Ron Paul's platform so much more, ...it was because Obama is a Black man. Conversely, if he won the election, ...you would explain it away by rationalizing voters used their anonymous vote to vote for a Black man, ...so they wouldn't seem like racists.

[Cap]

That a pretty racist charge don't you think? Obama isn't the first Black presidential candidate. First black male with a legitimate chance to get elected by HIS party.  Keyes, no.  Powell would have been better.  Sharpton, Jackson, hahaha.  The media made this dude some golden boy who will be the first real black male contender for the Presidency.  Good press does it all.   Racist?  Nope.

I suppose if she chose to back Hilary, you would say she's doing it because Hilary is a woman.  With Hilary's bad press, she would not touch her.  I don't think she would have realistically touched anyone but Obama.  Do you really think she would touch a candidate who couldn't win?

By your line of reasoning anyone who wants Romney must be Mormon, or anyone who wants Huckabee must be a white male, or anyone who wants Guiliani must be a white loudmouth arrogant Catholic male.    God forbid there is a Catholic or Mormon.  BTW, I would support Powell and I'm not black so....

How do you explain Barbra Streisand's relentless support of President Clinton when he ran for office, ...or her support for Al Gore when he ran? Do you think she might have supported Gore in 2000 cause his running mate was a Jew?  When do intelligent adults who support and campaign for candidates you don't support get the benefit of simply believing in their candidates? Why is it in your estimation, a choice made based on criteria other than the issues?  Jews are tied into money and our nation has ties to Israel.  Liberman being the mix certainly helps.



So basically the people being polled are stupid and simply vying for who Oprah says to support?
Or is it that you believe they are lying? Which is it?  They are stupid for supporting HER position and I think people being polled there don't want to seem racist.  If your family, friends, coworkers were there would you want to explain why you didn't poll for the black dude?

Add a black dude in the mix? no Cap, ...add a democratic candidate in the mix.
Sounds to me like you're the one who can't see past colour.    Him being in the race makes it an issue with color.  Why can't he just be A candidate?  Call me racist all you want but the media is making this a race issue by saying "this can be the year", "this can be history", etc.  Oprah in the mix makes this worse.

I get the feeling that if he lost the election, you would say it wasn't because people liked Ron Paul's platform so much more, ...it was because Obama is a Black man. Conversely, if he won the election, ...you would explain it away by rationalizing voters used their anonymous vote to vote for a Black man, ...so they wouldn't seem like racists.   Ron Paul is an idiot and dupes many young liberal moronic people, mostly my age group.  If he wins it will be large in part to race apologists and people wanting to seem progressive.  He has nothing more to offer than any other candidate.  He made a vote about WMD.  One vote does not a president make.  He is weak and like others have said has done little outside that one vote.

I knew you'd hit this thread.

[24KT]

You didn't read the whole thing did you?  Hilary's bad press plus the Oprah endorsement made a difference, more with the former IMO.  There is a reality of poll biases.  I would think you would know about that.  It happens a lot in surveys; it is always something to consider with reliability, always.  If you don't think a black candidate made into a front-runner candidate by the media doesn't fuck with people's voting then I don't know what to say.  The guy was a nobody until the media got ahold of him and from then on it was "it is time" or "he could be the first", yada yada yada.

Anyone made a front-runner candidate by the media fucks with people's voting.
Just look at GWB's rise to prominence in '99. The guy hadn't even uttered a single word to the press yet they had him pegged as the front runner since day 1. His handlers were smart to keep a microphone away from him as long as possible. But what makes you think it is the media making Obama a front runner?

You don't hear the thugs bragging about him; it is liberal white apologists who think this will redeem them from feeling guilty about slavery.

Ohhhh... Thugs? What thugs are you refering to?  
For that matter, what makes you think this is liberal white apologists feeling guilty over slavery?
Perhaps it could simply be democratic and possibly a few republican voters sick & tried of beltway insiders and the past 8 years of war-mongering politicians who might actually like what he has to say.

Appears to me like the 2 seemingly long shot candidates from either side of the aisle have tapped into the pulse of the American voter that is sick of BS, lies, and war-mongering and want America to rise up and finally live out her creed as defined in the US Constitution and the Bill of Rights.

[24KT]

My apologies, Hilary and Obama.

Party affiliation should be implied because Hollywood and the black community are predominantly Liberal/Democrats.  I stand by my remarks because nothing else sets him apart from Dems. 

I could be wrong, but it has always been my opinion that Oprah was a republican,
...but given the debacle of the last 8 yrs, ...I know their are many ex-Republicans throwing support behind Democrats.

And your Hollywood Democrats argument is rubbish. It certain doesn't explain Ronald Reagan, Fred Thompson, Sonny Bono, or Arnold Schwarzenegger. even Gopher was a Republican. And how do you explain Chuck Norris' endorsement of Huckabee?

There are just as many Republicans in Hollywood as there are Democrats.
The only difference is the Democrats have always been very vocal.

[Cap]

I could be wrong, but it has always been my opinion that Oprah was a republican,
...but given the debacle of the last 8 yrs, ...I know their are many ex-Republicans throwing support behind Democrats.

And your Hollywood Democrats argument is rubbish. It certain doesn't explain Ronald Reagan, Fred Thompson, Sonny Bono, or Arnold Schwarzenegger. even Gopher was a Republican. And how do you explain Chuck Norris' endorsement of Huckabee?

There are just as many Republicans in Hollywood as there are Democrats.
The only difference is the Democrats have always been very vocal.

Hmm, you named four in politics but other than those how many can you claim as Repubs?  All we ever hear are the idiots Dems in Hollywood bitching about things in the world when they would be rich no matter who is in office.  I'm still waiting for Baldwin and Basinger to head to your neck of the woods.  Naming a small number of people doesn't make Hollywood balanced and I think you know that.  Of course there are always us country music fans.   

Why wouldn't Hollywood Repubs come out in record droves to ensure "their" candidate?  If they want a win they should lend their support. 

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uselections2004/story/0,13918,1184818,00.html
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