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OTTAWA (AFP) — Friends and classmates of a 16-year-old girl who police say was murdered by her devout Muslim father in a Toronto
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suburb told local media Tuesday she was killed for not wearing a hijab.
Police said in a statement they received an emergency call at 7:55 am local time Monday from "a man who indicated that he had just killed his daughter."
The victim, Aqsa Parvez, was "rushed to hospital with life-threatening injuries, but tragically passed away late last night."
Her father, Muhammad Parvez, 57, was arrested at the scene and will be formally charged with murder when he appears in court Wednesday, said police.
The girl's friends, meanwhile, told local media she was having trouble at home because she did not conform to the family's religious beliefs and refused to wear a traditional Islamic head scarf, or hijab.
"She wanted to go different ways than her family wanted to go, and she wanted to make her own path, but he (her father) wouldn't let her," one of her classmates told public broadcaster CBC.
"She loved clothes," another of her friends, Dominiquia Holmes-Thompson, told the daily Toronto Star. "She just wanted to show her beauty ... She just wanted to dress like us, just like a normal person."
According to her friends, Aqsa had worn the hijab at school last year, but rebelled in recent months.
They said she would leave home wearing a hijab and loose-fitting clothes, but would take off her head scarf and change into tighter garments at school, then change back before going home at the end of the day.
The victim's 26 year-old brother was also charged with obstructing police in the investigation.
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Regardless of all the negatives that can be said about western society at least we don't encourage that kind of stuff. At least that can be said by the more rational among us. I am a culturalist and I can honestly said my culture is better than that.
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OTTAWA (AFP) — Friends and classmates of a 16-year-old girl who police say was murdered by her devout Muslim father in a Toronto suburb told local media Tuesday she was killed for not wearing a hijab.
Police said in a statement they received an emergency call at 7:55 am local time Monday from "a man who indicated that he had just killed his daughter."
The victim, Aqsa Parvez, was "rushed to hospital with life-threatening injuries, but tragically passed away late last night."
Her father, Muhammad Parvez, 57, was arrested at the scene and will be formally charged with murder when he appears in court Wednesday, said police.
The girl's friends, meanwhile, told local media she was having trouble at home because she did not conform to the family's religious beliefs and refused to wear a traditional Islamic head scarf, or hijab.
"She wanted to go different ways than her family wanted to go, and she wanted to make her own path, but he (her father) wouldn't let her," one of her classmates told public broadcaster CBC.
"She loved clothes," another of her friends, Dominiquia Holmes-Thompson, told the daily Toronto Star. "She just wanted to show her beauty ... She just wanted to dress like us, just like a normal person."
According to her friends, Aqsa had worn the hijab at school last year, but rebelled in recent months.
They said she would leave home wearing a hijab and loose-fitting clothes, but would take off her head scarf and change into tighter garments at school, then change back before going home at the end of the day.
The victim's 26 year-old brother was also charged with obstructing police in the investigation.
A very peaceful people they are ::)
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yeah so are christians....god is on our side, killing children and women in iraq...
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damn can you imagine if he caught her sucking a dick?
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haha!
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yeah so are christians....god is on our side, killing children and women in iraq...
Come on. People like this father should be put into a concentration camp.
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Regardless of all the negatives that can be said about western society at least we don't encourage that kind of stuff.
Actually, we do.
By showing them our absolute worst, it does nothing but help their cause.
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He should be arrested and put on trial for murder....
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He should be arrested and put on trial for murder....
eh....
never mind :D
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yeah so are christians....god is on our side, killing children and women in iraq...
War sucks ass, thats reality.
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War sucks ass, thats reality.
eh....
never mind :D
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Good ol' religion.
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In the sand countries this would not have been a newsworthy event.
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there are countries that tolerate that sort of behavior. the west doesn't. those that disagree should move to those areas. its pretty fucking simple. the saying "When in Rome" is applicable here. pull that shit in the wrong place, and expect to reap the consequences.
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Sometimes I wonder if these religious fanatics even read their doctrine? It is most likely they chose what parts they like and ignore the rest.
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its a good thing the muslim community is working so hard to speak out against this kind of ideology and striving so hard to reign in their extremist elements.
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Actually, we do.
By showing them our absolute worst, it does nothing but help their cause.
That makes no sense.
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This guy is doing a fine job helping his feelow muslims to be accepted in the western society.
The muslims reputation has gone straight to hell in 15 years, and when certain people pull this shit, it is only going to get worse.
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Sometimes I wonder if these religious fanatics even read their doctrine? It is most likely they chose what parts they like and ignore the rest.
Sounds a lot like a christian...
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In the sand countries this would not have been a newsworthy event.
Fuckers should've stayed in the desert.
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Sounds a lot like a christian...
Are you a socialist? :)
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Fuckers should've stayed in the desert.
How would that have prevented him of killing his daughter?
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I Believe that every person should be able to practice whatever religion they want, without violence....Im just pointing out the blood associated with religions, no matter if its christian, muslim, or whatever...
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I would NEVER go as far as to kill her...but as her father (based on HIS beliefs) i would beat her ass. Some of you cant understand this train of thought so let me help.....you walk in on your SON sucking a dick... how do you react? Same shit.....see my point
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How would that have prevented him of killing his daughter?
He should have taken into consideration that his daughter may want to conform to the society she lived in and be just like her other friends.
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I would NEVER go as far as to kill her...but as her father (based on HIS beliefs) i would beat her ass. Some of you cant understand this train of thought so let me help.....you walk in on your SON sucking a dick... how do you react? Same shit.....see my point
If you had a son who was gay, would you beat him up for it, when he can't change his sexual orientation anyway? (and when it was likely that your genetics partially gave it to him?)
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every woman, muslim, christian, jewish, buddhist, hindu, whatever are ALL GOING TO GROW UP AND FUCCK AND SUCK, it's just a woman's nature.
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haha look at these dumbfucks in this thread trying to compare christians and muslims....i never saw where in the 10 commandments it says you need to beat the shit out of your children if they don't conform.
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Sounds a lot like a christian...
I don't think that is a fair generalization to make. Religion is full of myths and legends that have no merit no doubt, but it is not to blame for situations like this. It is a certain type of person who makes problems like this, religion just serves as an avenue for one to express their foul beliefs. I feel pretty confident in saying that the Quran doesn't give you the authority to take life due to ones fashion choices, the man was clearly a lunatic.
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That makes no sense.
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I don't think that is a fair generalization to make. Religion is full of myths and legends that have no merit no doubt, but it not to blame for situations like this. It is a certain type of person who makes problems like this, religion just serves as an avenue for one to express their foul beliefs. I feel pretty confident in saying that the Quran doesn't give you the authority to take life due to ones fashion choices, the man was clearly a lunatic.
Yes he should be judged and dealt with for murdering his daughter....He is defiinetly a lunatic....
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haha look at these dumbfucks in this thread trying to compare christians and muslims....i never saw where in the 10 commandments it says you need to beat the shit out of your children if they don't conform.
Are you kidding?
Christians have been beating the shit out of their kids since the dawn of their scam religion.
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Yes he should be judged and dealt with for murdering his daughter....He is defiinetly a lunatic....
He should be dealt with by a pack of wild Americans, not by the Canadian 'justice' system.
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Are you kidding?
Christians have been beating the shit out of their kids since the dawn of their scam religion.
All religions are fucked, just these fucking towelheads are a little more fucked than the next. Suicide bombings and killing all their women and shit?
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All religions are fucked, just these fucking towelheads are a little more fucked than the next. Suicide bombings and killing all their women and shit?
;D
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All religions are fucked, just these fucking towelheads are a little more fucked than the next. Suicide bombings and killing all their women and shit?
How long have christians been an authority on history? How much control does christianity have on what we know? Im not defending the violence in the faith of muslims, but do not think for a minute that christians are any better....I would never want to be a muslim, and i cannot stand the mentality that is taken to the extreme....Their is blood spilled in the name of all religions.....I dont know much of the history of budhism as far as blood on their hands....
The faith in god and religion people have is not the problem....the majority of all christians, and muslims practice their faith peacefully....It is the lunatics that hear the voice of god and go on a rampage that are the problem....
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It wasn't his religion that made him do that, but just the fact that he's fucked in the head. One of my classmates from high school killed his mom with an axe (and only got 7 years, but that's another story)...but the fact that he was Christian was irrelevant towards the crime or its motive. In a Muslim country the father would be sentenced to death, which is harsher than what will happen to him here in Canada.
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How long have christians been an authority on history? How much control does christianity have on what we know? Im not defending the violence in the faith of muslims, but do not think for a minute that christians are any better....I would never want to be a muslim, and i cannot stand the mentality that is taken to the extreme....Their is blood spilled in the name of all religions.....I dont know much of the history of budhism as far as blood on their hands....
Do you count Jews as Christians?
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It wasn't his religion that made him do that, but just the fact that he's fucked in the head. One of my classmates from high school killed his mom with an axe (and only got 7 years, but that's another story)...but the fact that he was Christian was irrelevant towards the crime or its motive. In a Muslim country the father would be sentenced to death, which is harsher than what will happen to him here in Canada.
Agreed that religious or not a person has to be pretty fucked to do something like that.
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I would NEVER go as far as to kill her...but as her father (based on HIS beliefs) i would beat her ass. Some of you cant understand this train of thought so let me help.....you walk in on your SON sucking a dick... how do you react? Same shit.....see my point
Subtle. My hope is that you never reproduce.
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I would NEVER go as far as to kill her...but as her father (based on HIS beliefs) i would beat her ass. Some of you cant understand this train of thought so let me help.....you walk in on your SON sucking a dick... how do you react? Same shit.....see my point
I disagree. You make it sound like morality is relative in this situation, and it is not. You could argue it is his house and his rules, but that never gives him moral justification to beat her. He could at most, impose an ultimatum: wear the religious regalia or leave.
A moral transaction is one which consists of bilaterally voluntary consent. I will post on here exactly what I posted on a recent facebook note regarding severe religious programming when viewed as a disease (which by all rights it should be viewed as):
"I know better than to debate with people like that, since their method of debate is just to yell at me. Through years of indoctrinating sermons and proselytizing, I believe that very religious (or otherwise close minded) people have insult to their brain to the point where it makes it literally impossible to be open to alternate views.
We've all heard that older people set in their ways can't be changed. I believe that is because through the years some parts of their brain have taken a permanent physical structure not allowing for it. Contrast that with young brains - they can accept change since no irreversible insult has been caused.
Think of a rotten apple: You can't un-rot it. The structure is altered and permanent. Think about a disease of cognition such as Alzheimer's; it is progressive and irreversible. I think a challenge for neuroscientists would be to analyze the parts of the brain affected here and to determine which neural pathways and lobes are involved.
There is division and lateralization of mental processing and I think it would be possible to determine very specific answers. I think severe indoctrination is as much a disease as trauma caused by physical activity.
I may sound rude to look at it as a disease, but rationally speaking, it takes on all the characteristics of one. Just because it is accepted by so many, doesn't mean it cannot be classified in this manner. At various times in history, misogyny, slavery, and even murder were deemed acceptable (appeal to popularity fallacy).
What I am offended by: the same neoconservative Christian fundamentalists who line up in droves to stop valuable stem cell research are the same ones who will also line up to reap the benefits of the cures when they finally do get developed thanks to stem cells. They are entitled to hurt themselves, but I think it's horrible that they hurt other people and take advantage of the same things they tried to prevent."
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It wasn't his religion that made him do that, but just the fact that he's fucked in the head. One of my classmates from high school killed his mom with an axe (and only got 7 years, but that's another story)...but the fact that he was Christian was irrelevant towards the crime or its motive. In a Muslim country the father would be sentenced to death, which is harsher than what will happen to him here in Canada.
So the son killed the mom for not bible thumping or going to church?
What is RELEVENT in this case is "she did not follow muslim religion" and the father and brother punished her for it.
The father killed her, and the brother obstructed justice into the investigation....hmmm sounds like a pattern or learned traits.....passed down by religious practices.
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I have been saying for years that we should nuke the Middle East and Israel with it and be done with it. Eliminate these medieval bastards once and for all.
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I have been saying for years that we should nuke the Middle East and Israel with it and be done with it. Eliminate these medieval bastards once and for all.
no just get rid of Israel and you get rid of the problem.
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So the son killed the mom for not bible thumping or going to church?
What is RELEVENT in this case is "she did not follow muslim religion" and the father and brother punished her for it.
The father killed her, and the brother obstructed justice into the investigation....hmmm sounds like a pattern or learned traits.....passed down by religious practices.
No that wasn't he reason why the son killed the mom, but if it had been it still not mean that the religion is to blame.
The father and brother "did not follow Muslim religion" to a much worse extent since murder is considered an infinitely worse crime than not wearing your hijab.
You wont find a single "religious practice" in Islam that would condone this. Isolated incidents can be found of Christians killing or committing crimes in the name of Christianity, but that doesn't mean that the Bible condones these practices.
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I disagree. You make it sound like morality is relative in this situation, and it is not. You could argue it is his house and his rules, but that never gives him moral justification to beat her. He could at most, impose an ultimatum: wear the religious regalia or leave.
A moral transaction is one which consists of bilaterally voluntary consent. I will post on here exactly what I posted on a recent facebook note regarding severe religious programming when viewed as a disease (which by all rights it should be viewed as):
"I know better than to debate with people like that, since their method of debate is just to yell at me. Through years of indoctrinating sermons and proselytizing, I believe that very religious (or otherwise close minded) people have insult to their brain to the point where it makes it literally impossible to be open to alternate views.
We've all heard that older people set in their ways can't be changed. I believe that is because through the years some parts of their brain have taken a permanent physical structure not allowing for it. Contrast that with young brains - they can accept change since no irreversible insult has been caused.
Think of a rotten apple: You can't un-rot it. The structure is altered and permanent. Think about a disease of cognition such as Alzheimer's; it is progressive and irreversible. I think a challenge for neuroscientists would be to analyze the parts of the brain affected here and to determine which neural pathways and lobes are involved.
There is division and lateralization of mental processing and I think it would be possible to determine very specific answers. I think severe indoctrination is as much a disease as trauma caused by physical activity.
I may sound rude to look at it as a disease, but rationally speaking, it takes on all the characteristics of one. Just because it is accepted by so many, doesn't mean it cannot be classified in this manner. At various times in history, misogyny, slavery, and even murder were deemed acceptable (appeal to popularity fallacy).
What I am offended by: the same neoconservative Christian fundamentalists who line up in droves to stop valuable stem cell research are the same ones who will also line up to reap the benefits of the cures when they finally do get developed thanks to stem cells. They are entitled to hurt themselves, but I think it's horrible that they hurt other people and take advantage of the same things they tried to prevent."
Excellent post.
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He should be dealt with by a pack of wild Americans, not by the Canadian 'justice' system.
I think one of the biggest problems isn't that justice systems are inadequate, but, that the world community as a whole puts up with this kind of crap being brought to their countries.
It isn't just Muslims either. Muslims are making the news. I have a Bosnian friend who hates a Serbian guy here and neither have ever even met let alone experienced a genocidal event.
You want to bring Muslim law to Canada? Go back to where you can do that crap and stay out of the country. If I was in charge, and thank God I am not, I would send anyone that brings foreign problems like that back to where they were from (and any family members involved to really get the point across) and never let them back in again. We have enough problems without that and maybe people would stop trying to live "here" like they lived "there".
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I think one of the biggest problems isn't that justice systems are inadequate, but, that the world community as a whole puts up with this kind of crap being brought to their countries.
It isn't just Muslims either. Muslims are making the news. I have a Bosnian friend who hates a Serbian guy here and neither have ever even met let alone experienced a genocidal event.
You want to bring Muslim law to Canada? Go back to where you can do that crap and stay out of the country. If I was in charge, and thank God I am not, I would send anyone that brings foreign problems like that back to where they were from (and any family members involved to really get the point across) and never let them back in again. We have enough problems without that and maybe people would stop trying to live "here" like they lived "there".
But the fact that the actual perps and their families are NOT being deported from the U.S. or Canada...what does that tell ya?
That the people in charge want that element here.
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But the fact that the actual perps and their families are NOT being deported from the U.S. or Canada...what does that tell ya?
That the people in charge want that element here.
I guess that is possible. I hope that isn't true though. :-\
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no just get rid of Israel and you get rid of the problem.
Just nuking Israel won't work. Sure, destroying Israel would make the terrorist strikes end - because they strike the West due to our support for Israel -, but eventually they would try to convert us. they are fanatics and they believe they have a holy mission to convert the whole Humanity to their faifth. Look what they're doing in France, a country that has never supported Israel. They are trying to convert the population despite that.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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Just nuking Israel won't work. Sure, destroying Israel would make the terrorist strikes end - because they strike the West due to our support for Israel -, but eventually they would try to convert us. they are fanatics and they believe they have a holy mission to convert the whole Humanity to their faifth. Look what they're doing in France, a country that has never supported Israel. They are trying to convert the population despite that.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
Debussey's got an idea. Gary Busey pays for the bombs, and you push the ignition button for the 10000 rockets (containing the nukes) aimed at muslim countries. You in? :)
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Just nuking Israel won't work. Sure, destroying Israel would make the terrorist strikes end - because they strike the West due to our support for Israel -, but eventually they would try to convert us. they are fanatics and they believe they have a holy mission to convert the whole Humanity to their faifth. Look what they're doing in France, a country that has never supported Israel. They are trying to convert the population despite that.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
Sounds a lot like christians....
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Sounds a lot like christians....
Minus the bombings and shit. (For what it's worth, I hate the crazy Xtians too)
haha look at these dumbfucks in this thread trying to compare christians and muslims....i never saw where in the 10 commandments it says you need to beat the shit out of your children if they don't conform.
No... I don't think they say kill them if they don't do what you like.
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Minus the bombings and shit. (For what it's worth, I hate the crazy Xtians too)
No... I don't think they say kill them if they don't do what you like.
What have we done in Iraq, and threatening to do in Iran....is it coincidence that they are muslims in control of oil? Yes they are corrupt as far as we know, but who is more corrupt in the long run....Didnt we drop a couple of bombs on those buddhist extremists over there in Japan? Why did the japanese attack Pearl Harbour again?
Allah, i mean God is on our side to rid the earth of all these terrorists....Well we better rid ourselves then...Wait im getting confused with all these words, like infedels, terrorists....Muslims extremists want to rid the earth of infedels, USA wants to rid the earth of terrorists....The whole world thinks muslim extremists are quacks, the whole world think the bush admin are quacks....gotta go, take care
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OTTAWA (AFP) — Friends and classmates of a 16-year-old girl who police say was murdered by her devout Muslim father in a Toronto
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suburb told local media Tuesday she was killed for not wearing a hijab.
Police said in a statement they received an emergency call at 7:55 am local time Monday from "a man who indicated that he had just killed his daughter."
The victim, Aqsa Parvez, was "rushed to hospital with life-threatening injuries, but tragically passed away late last night."
Her father, Muhammad Parvez, 57, was arrested at the scene and will be formally charged with murder when he appears in court Wednesday, said police.
The girl's friends, meanwhile, told local media she was having trouble at home because she did not conform to the family's religious beliefs and refused to wear a traditional Islamic head scarf, or hijab.
"She wanted to go different ways than her family wanted to go, and she wanted to make her own path, but he (her father) wouldn't let her," one of her classmates told public broadcaster CBC.
"She loved clothes," another of her friends, Dominiquia Holmes-Thompson, told the daily Toronto Star. "She just wanted to show her beauty ... She just wanted to dress like us, just like a normal person."
According to her friends, Aqsa had worn the hijab at school last year, but rebelled in recent months.
They said she would leave home wearing a hijab and loose-fitting clothes, but would take off her head scarf and change into tighter garments at school, then change back before going home at the end of the day.
The victim's 26 year-old brother was also charged with obstructing police in the investigation.
gots to...
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What have we done in Iraq, and threatening to do in Iran....is it coincidence that they are muslims in control of oil? Yes they are corrupt as far as we know, but who is more corrupt in the long run....Didnt we drop a couple of bombs on those buddhist extremists over there in Japan? Why did the japanese attack Pearl Harbour again?
Allah, i mean God is on our side to rid the earth of all these terrorists....Well we better rid ourselves then...Wait im getting confused with all these words, like infedels, terrorists....Muslims extremists want to rid the earth of infedels, USA wants to rid the earth of terrorists....The whole world thinks muslim extremists are quacks, the whole world think the bush admin are quacks....gotta go, take care
Dude... what we did was for GREED, not for religion... totally different.
I think that's bullshit too, but it's not over RELIGION.
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Dude... what we did was for GREED, not for religion... totally different.
I think that's bullshit too, but it's not over RELIGION.
Yes, what we're refusing to do is to devote ANY resources to developing and building an infrastructure and economy that is *not* 100% reliant on oil.
Why?
Because the rich White folk who control the oil trade don't want there to be a chance for anyone else to come in and start running things.
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Yes, what we're refusing to do is to devote ANY resources to developing and building an infrastructure and economy that is *not* 100% reliant on oil.
Why?
Because the rich White folk who control the oil trade don't want there to be a chance for anyone else to come in and start running things.
I won't disagree with that what so ever... It's still not the same thing as killing your kid because she's not following your religion.
I've heard it all and seen even more... Muslim religions are simply violent... end of story.
Christianity has also been violent at times, but it is not so NOW.
Maybe if the neanderthals move forward in time a bit, they can reshape it into a truly peaceful religion, but we're talking about 500 years from now.
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Religion is a bad apple.
Religion in all forms is dangerous depending on the type of followers. Most christians are from educated societies and have a broad mind, as do jews. Islam on the other hand is followed by many poor nations. Combine poverty and a backwards faith and you've got a ticking timebomb.
Being of a muslim background, I can tell everyone that more than 50% of religious muslims are somewhat backwards. They always tend to be domian loyal to their place of origin, and they'll disregard any western custom or law when it conflicts with their faith. They'll never adress the problem regarding islam and violence, and they'll always consider someone who chooses to be nonreligious as a traitor. They'll most certainly enjoy the benefits and perks of western society, even blending in to a point(I saw a chick wearing a small skirt and hijab once), yet will never view their fellow westerners as equals or countrymen. That's just the truth.
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Yes, what we're refusing to do is to devote ANY resources to developing and building an infrastructure and economy that is *not* 100% reliant on oil.
Why?
Because the rich White folk who control the oil trade don't want there to be a chance for anyone else to come in and start running things.
BS on the race card, brotha man...The US economy controls oil. The "black folk" driving their escalades need the same gas as the white girl driving her hyundai santa fe
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BS on the race card, brotha man...The US economy controls oil. The "black folk" driving their escalades need the same gas as the white #### driving her hyundai santa fe
Can anyone honestly say controling Iraqi oil is a bad thing? ;D Imagine how our lifestyles would be effected if we didn't..
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Religion is a bad apple.
Religion in all forms is dangerous depending on the type of followers. Most christians are from educated societies and have a broad mind, as do jews. Islam on the other hand is followed by many poor nations. Combine poverty and a backwards faith and you've got a ticking timebomb.
Being of a muslim background, I can tell everyone that more than 50% of religious muslims are somewhat backwards. They always tend to be domian loyal to their place of origin, and they'll disregard any western custom or law when it conflicts with their faith. They'll never adress the problem regarding islam and violence, and they'll always consider someone who chooses to be nonreligious as a traitor. They'll most certainly enjoy the benefits and perks of western society, even blending in to a point(I saw a chick wearing a small skirt and hijab once), yet will never view their fellow westerners as equals or countrymen. That's just the truth.
They will integrate eventually. It is a result of a natural adaption process, but it might take many decades, and includes the passing of the stone hard stupids.
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Maybe if the neanderthals move forward in time a bit
Yes, correct, anyone that goes to Dubai and is American should watch out, Shari law has locked up many Americans thus far. Politics is keeping it out of the papers
They will integrate eventually. It is a result of a natural adaption process, but it might take many decades.
who will integrate christians to muslims or muslims to christians for every 6 people 1 is muslim.
they practice polygamy, thus ensures they reproduce more so than any other religion, when they give birth and are very poor they see birth as a gift and continue to make more gifts no matter if the baby soon dies of starvation they just continue
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who will integrate christians to muslims or muslims to christians for every 6 people 1 is muslim.
they practice polygamy, thus ensures they reproduce more so than any other religion, when they give birth and are very poor they see birth as a gift and continue to make more gifts no matter if the baby soon dies of starvation they just continue
Debussey means that they will integrate into the western/future global way of life, and tone down the religious impact on their lives. This is natural, because in their own "countries", their BS way of life has a purpose. In the good part of the world, it is counter productive. You can only fight a loosing battle so long.
When it comes to the poor countries where they still have a "purpose", it is an interesting scenario. They do not produce much and they spend very little money on RandR. They will either fuck it all up, or slowly adapt to the global economy by becoming more educated. But frankly, as long as the west stops importing these fools, we could nuke Sudan for all Gary Busey cares.
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In 200 years, "Islam" as we know it today will be ancient history.
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Debussey means that they will integrate into the western/future global way of life, and tone down the religious impact on their lives. This is natural, because in their own "countries", their BS way of life has a purpose. In the good part of the world, it is counter productive. You can only fight a loosing battle so long.
In 200 years, "Islam" as we know it today will be ancient history.
500 years... It's going to take about 500 I think.
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Can anyone honestly say controling Iraqi oil is a bad thing? ;D Imagine how our lifestyles would be effected if we didn't..
Strong big economies have clout. Deal with it. China is doing it now and they are trying to be communist and last i checked their skin was yellow...
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500 years... It's going to take about 500 I think.
Who knows, but many countries here in Europe were just as bad as Izlamifized countries are today if not worse. It took about 200 years for this to change into the worlds most highly developed societies. And this was before the internet. Hah.
Today, these muslim nutcountries can not sustain their stupidity for many reasons. One is the economic one. In a world economy based more and more on technology, education and research = needed. Most poor muslim countries do not participate in this activity. If they are to start participating in RandR, they need to loosen up on their religious values and way of life in order to actually teach shit.
It is not going to be funny being a muslim in 20 years if this continues, and even the stupidest fuckers will see that their little "campaign for islam" only hurts themselves in the long run, because human progress will continue and accelerate, and human progress has a tendency to diminish religions impact on society. They can bomb all they want, but they can not stop the big machinery, and the machinery will get better at stopping them.
They are fighting a loosing battle, and if they do not adapt, they will be extinct, no matter how much people fear them getting into a position of control and all of that shit. It ain't gonna happen, and muslims will only ruin their own lives. If it's broke, fix it before it creates havoc.
History has shown that even under the worst of tyrranic and irrational conditions, the sound and rational ideas that leads to progress always wins through in the end, and there has been much bigger "threats" to the progress of humanity than a bunch of stupid fundamentalists.
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500 years... It's going to take about 500 I think.
I don't think so.
How fast it will happen is connected to simple economic sucess. Most people of muslim backgrounds who are sucessful in west tend to be nonreligious. Saudi princes may dress a certain way, but they're fucking euro whores in their private boats and planes.
In contrast, idiots driving cabs are the ones pissed about their daughters not wearing hijabs.
The US has probably done a better job of integrating muslims than any other country.. Europe is a disaster. Canada has done okay, but has tanked recently.
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I don't think so.
How fast it will happen is connected to simple economic sucess. Most people of muslim backgrounds who are sucessful in west tend to be nonreligious. Saudi princes may dress a certain way, but they're fucking euro whores in their private boats and planes.
In contrast, idiots driving cabs are the ones pissed about their daughters not wearing hijabs.
The US has probably done a better job of integrating muslims than any other country.. Europe is a disaster. Canada has done okay, but has tanked recently.
Debussey thinks you need to see this in a bigger time frame. This has happened before throughout history. 500 years = a long time.
The contemporary situation = not a good way to estimate the rate of change regarding this problem, because it fails to factor in the underlying mechanisms that creates long term change, and is usually centered around one context (when the real situation is composed of many thousand at least). It is a bit like dieting, you see very little change on a day 2 day basis, but eventually, you will look totally different. The worst stonehards will die. History is a much better indicator, because it describes change over many different contexts, and the similarities = striking.
Also think about the technological progress the next 500 years will bring. The world will not need many cabdolls and shitsmellers, and pure intellectual power will be in fashion. The last 500 years totally changed the way humans lived life. THe progress is exponential. Even in 200 years, life will be so different that we all hopefully will be praying to Gary.
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Also remember that humanity has battled different problems at different stages of it's developmental levels.
It has been fighting for food. We solved that.
It has been fighting terrible disease. (the black plague, which wiped out like 33 - 66% of the european population). We solved that. Enormous pandemics = not highly present in our everyday lives, but it might come again.
It has been fighting to get the scientific ideal from an underground world into becoming the basis on which we build our lives upon. (hey there Gallileo). We solved that one.
It now seems to be based around the globalization and the subsequent clash of incompatible values and religious systems -> And this might be the biggest problem humanity faces for the next hundred years.
Debussey believes that humanity will integrate into a global unity, where tolerance will ultimately prevail.
Remember that any group of humans or any society tends to forget their differences if an external enemy or threat is present (Hey there Goebbels). WHen the next problem faces humanity, perhaps the threat of asteroids crushing the planet, then religious differences will quickly forgotten.
Conclusion: Debussey does not think that the "izlam" thing is some unknown force that will remain forever. It is a problem that must be dealt with at this point in humanitys development. It was bound to come, unless globalization and the internet was to be held off.
Who knows what problems we will face in 5000 years.
In 330 years, The aliens have perfected their anal probes. That will suck for the global anus.''
YE!!SSS
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Debussey means that they will integrate into the western/future global way of life, and tone down the religious impact on their lives. This is natural, because in their own "countries", their BS way of life has a purpose. In the good part of the world, it is counter productive. You can only fight a loosing battle so long.
When it comes to the poor countries where they still have a "purpose", it is an interesting scenario. They do not produce much and they spend very little money on RandR. They will either fuck it all up, or slowly adapt to the global economy by becoming more educated. But frankly, as long as the west stops importing these fools, we could nuke Sudan for all Gary Busey cares.
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In 200 years, "Islam" as we know it today will be ancient history.
Are you suggesting counter culture imperialism tactics?
We could drop bombs of nude magazine, x-box games, and miller lite, and some ciggs for Christmas.
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Are you suggesting counter culture imperialism tactics?
We could drop bombs of nude magazine, x-box games, and miller lite, and some ciggs for Christmas.
The best way would be to develop small brain controlling + brain changing nanobots and implant them into the brain of everybody in the arab world via slick aerosol virus spreading tactics and water reservoir nanobots infection.
We would then reprogram the brains of the entire arab population to serve Gary Busey and Jesus Debussey (me) by becoming slaves in the alien space ship.
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Are you suggesting counter culture imperialism tactics?
We could drop bombs of nude magazine, x-box games, and miller lite, and some ciggs for Christmas.
durkas prefer hieneken.
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Are you suggesting counter culture imperialism tactics?
We could drop bombs of nude magazine, x-box games, and miller lite, and some ciggs for Christmas.
Everyone loves hot bitches.
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Everyone loves hot bitches.
A picture of Gary Busey would be much better.
(http://www.nndb.com/people/848/000022782/gary.jpg)
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Are you suggesting counter culture imperialism tactics?
We could drop bombs of nude magazine, x-box games, and miller lite, and some ciggs for Christmas.
This is what I've been saying since Day One.
Bomb them with pornography (American), video games, and make sure they've got unrestricted internet access.
IF WE DO THIS FOR TEN YEARS, Americanism will take a firm root in that region.
And the total operation will cost a fraction of what we've spent this year on the 'war'.
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Everyone loves hot bitches.
Exactly.
Things may be different now, but back then, Levi's were like gold and American porn was platinum.
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This is what I've been saying since Day One.
Bomb them with pornography (American), video games, and make sure they've got unrestricted internet access.
IF WE DO THIS FOR TEN YEARS, Americanism will take a firm root in that region.
And the total operation will cost a fraction of what we've spent this year on the 'war'.
BUT instead, just the opposite is happening. Americans are being bombed by having to stand for more political correct BS, and sit idle as we can no loner say the pledge of allegiance, in a US school.
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Dude... what we did was for GREED, not for religion... totally different.
I think that's bullshit too, but it's not over RELIGION.
This was not over religion either. Nowhere in islam or in the Quran does it say women must wear the hijab, ...or that it is acceptable to murder women who do not conform. Islam teaches that men & women should dress modestly. Many misinterpret that to mean a hijab for women is a requirement. It should be a choice.
What we have here is a 'cultural' difference of opinion, not a religious one. Just as in North America, within Christian households, there are different 'cultural' beliefs about what is acceptable when disciplining your kids. For some, corporal punishment is acceptable, ...for others, it is unacceptable. These are "cultural beliefs", not religious ones. Despite the fact that religious fundamentalists cite the phrase "Spare the rod, spoil the child" as a religious decree from on high justifying the use of corporal punishment when disciplining kids.
I think when it all comes out, ...it will be discovered that he did not intend to kill her, but got so carried away in anger, she ended up dying as a result. One doesn't call 911 unless they are attempting to save a life. I also doubt it was about the hijab, ...but rather her decision to move out of the family home 2 days prior. In Canada, a teenager can leave home at 16 if they want whether their parents like it or not. She chose to do just that.
When I was in highschool, I had a Pakistani girlfriend who chose to do that. Her bags were packed, and on the stroke of midnight, she telephoned police, and asked them to come and escort her out of her parents home.
I've seen this same type of conflict occur within Hindu familes, Italian families, Asian families etc. And i've seen many young women beaten at the hands of their families because of it. In some cultures, the kids simply do not move out of the parental home until they are married. PERIOD! Regardless of their age or income. And when the unmarried child moving out is a woman, it is considered to bring a huge disgrace onto the family. It seems to be only North Americans who can't wait to get their kids out of their homes ASAP. Most other cultures try to keep them there.
This is about culture not religion.
In any event, she was not just a 16 yr. old Pakistani girl.
She was a Canadian citizen first and foremost, and as such had certain rights that no 'cultural belief' or 'religion' can usurp.
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This was not over religion either. Nowhere in islam or in the Quran does it say women must wear the hijab, ...or that it is acceptable to murder women who do not conform. Islam teaches that men & women should dress modestly. Many misinterpret that to mean a hijab for women is a requirement. It should be a choice.
*BIG SNIP BECAUSE I DON'T CARE WHAT JAG SAYS*
Hey Jag... no one cares what you think... you dogged out someone's dead parent remember?
Why are you still here?
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Hey Jag... no one cares what you think... you dogged out someone's dead parent remember?
Why are you still here?
what happend?
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what happend?
I believe, and someone can correct me if I'm wrong... because I'm trying to remember this off the top of my head.
But...
Berserker was debating a point with Jaguar and she started in on how his "dead mother" would feel... and it escalated from there.
Basically, she brought in his dead mom into a debate and I found it (as well as others) quite low.
She can go to hell as far as I'm concerned.
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I believe, and someone can correct me if I'm wrong... because I'm trying to remember this off the top of my head.
But...
Berserker was debating a point with Jaguar and she started in on how his "dead mother" would feel... and it escalated from there.
Basically, she brought in his dead mom into a debate and I found it (as well as others) quite low.
She can go to hell as far as I'm concerned.
dead moms tell no tales..
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Why are most of you defending this guy he murdered his daughter for not covering her hair in school who cares about his cultural believes ???
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Why are most of you defending this guy he murdered his daughter for not covering her hair in school who cares about his cultural believes ???
Someone is defending this guy? Really? Who?
I totally missed that.
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I believe, and someone can correct me if I'm wrong... because I'm trying to remember this off the top of my head.
But...
Berserker was debating a point with Jaguar and she started in on how his "dead mother" would feel... and it escalated from there.
Basically, she brought in his dead mom into a debate and I found it (as well as others) quite low.
She can go to hell as far as I'm concerned.
Yikes :o :-X
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Hey Jag... no one cares what you think...
Evidently you do. :)
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Evidently you do. :)
No... I care that you're still here... as far as I'm concerned, you should be gone.
Your opinion on any matter, no longer counts.
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wow muslims are doing a really good job on CNN defending this killing "this should be a wake up call to the muslim community when a women's hijab is off she is seen as a sexual object" said the head of a muslim mosque in California
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wow muslims are doing a really good job on CNN defending this killing "this should be a wake up call to the muslim community when a women's hijab is off she is seen as a sexual object" said the head of a muslim mosque in California
Ah yes... the women are property stance... Excellent!
I've always agreed with that point actually.
;D
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No... I care that you're still here... as far as I'm concerned, you should be gone.
Your opinion on any matter, no longer counts.
Tough shit. Deal with with it bike boy!
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wow fucked up fanatical muslims are doing a really good job on CNN defending this killing "this should be a wake up call to the muslim community when a women's hijab is off she is seen as a sexual object" said the head of a muslim mosque in California
There, corrected it for you. Up here we have yet to see any Muslims defending him. Everything I've heard thus far has been condemnation from the Canadian Muslim community. There's I'm sure more to this story that will come out. When he had his arraignment in court, the press was barred from the courthouse (which is an unusual move) I'm sure there will be more to come.
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I also doubt it was about the hijab, ...but rather her decision to move out of the family home 2 days prior.
There's I'm sure more to this story that will come out. When he had his arraignment in court, the press was barred from the courthouse (which is an unusual move) I'm sure there will be more to come.
Canadian Muslim girl not killed over hijab: report
Sat Dec 15, 5:31 PM
OTTAWA (AFP) - A Canadian Muslim girl murdered this week by her father was not killed for refusing to wear a hijab, her second family said, according to a National Post report Saturday.
Lubna Tahir, at whose house 16 year old Aqsa Parvez was staying after leaving her own home in Toronto's Mississauga suburb, branded as "rumors" news stories that Parvez's father killed her for not wearing the Muslim headscarf.
Tahir insisted that Parvez was religiously observant but mainly had wanted to be more independent and "to get more out of life," and so had asked to move in with the Tahirs in the same neighborhood.
"She was satisfied, she was relaxed that somehow her parents understood that this is what she wanted to do, and they didn't push her to come home," Tahir told the National Post.
Pakistan-native cab driver Muhammad Parvez, 57, was arrested at his home Monday where Aqsa was found by emergency workers near death.
According to Tahir, an immigration consultant who also immigrated from Pakistan, Parvez had gone back home to pick up some clothes.
Police said in a statement they received an emergency call at 7:55 am local time from "a man who indicated that he had just killed his daughter."
The girl later died in the hospital, and an autopsy determined that the cause of death was "neck compression."
In the days after her death, friends of the girl told media that Parvez frequently clashed with her estranged family over her reluctance to wear a hijab.
"She would tell us how her dad would always yell at her and how he wanted her to be someone else," her friend Natalie Rance, 14, told the daily Toronto Star.
But Tahir insisted that the girl's four older sisters were also not forced to wear the hijab all the time at home.
She also rejected reports that Parvez had a secret boyfriend.
Even so, it was not the first time she had left home, according to the National Post. It said Parvez ran away from home in September, when she fled to a women's shelter.
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Tough shit. Deal with with it bike boy!
Haha... Yeah, that's a real cut down there.
You're a piece of crap... that is all. You are dismissed.
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Haha... Yeah, that's a real cut down there.
You're a piece of crap... that is all. You are dismissed.
When you live in a place like NY, ...or downtown TO, ...or even parts of Europe... no,
...but what kind of a grown man in Southern California rides a bicycle? :-X
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When you live in a place like NY, ...or downtown TO, ...or even parts of Europe... no,
...but what kind of a grown man in Southern California rides a bicycle? :-X
The kind of guy who lives 3 blocks from work... 2 miles from the beach and can afford to get his groceries delivered and can rent a car to go anywhere he wants to outside of his normal area.
Are you just jealous because I don't have any need for your stupid fuel craps caps?
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The kind of guy who lives 3 blocks from work... 2 miles from the beach and can afford to get his groceries delivered and can rent a car to go anywhere he wants to outside of his normal area.
I know guys who work from home and live in beach houses right ON the beach, they still own cars.
This is Southern Cali. ;)
So what you're saying is that you live your life within a 2 miles area then. I'm embarassed for you :-[
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I know guys who work from home and live in beach houses right ON the beach, they still own cars.
This is Southern Cali. ;)
So what you're saying is that you live your life within a 2 miles area then. I'm embarassed for you :-[
I use my money to do other things... Like travel wherever I want to every couple of months... See the sites of the world, not just my backyard.
Could I buy a car? Sure... but for what? to prove something to people like YOU?
Haha!
Don't be embarrassed for me... it's your attitude that's shit.
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I use my money to do other things... Like travel wherever I want to every couple of months... See the sites of the world, not just my backyard.
Could I buy a car? Sure... but for what? to prove something to people like YOU?
Haha!
Don't be embarrassed for me... it's your attitude that's shit.
You are so PWND!
If you had any money, it would not be an either or situation. You'd have a car, ...and you'd travel.
Why does a guy who doesn't care what I say, spend so much time explaining his financial situation?
If not for some feeble attempt "to prove something to people like me"? Methinks thou dost protest too much. 8)
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You are so PWND!
If you had any money, it would not be an either or situation. You'd have a car, ...and you'd travel.
Why does a guy who doesn't care what I say, spend so much time explaining his financial situation?
If not for some feeble attempt "to prove something to people like me"? Methinks thou dost protest too much. 8)
Jags... you're just an idiot... You couldn't Pwn anyone... and you try hard.
You can choose to believe whatever you want to... It matters not to me what you think.
I choose not to drive because I absolutely hate it... HATE it.. end of story.
You keep telling yourself that driving is some status symbol.
Enjoy your mediocrity and keep pushing those fuel caps.
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Jags... you're just an idiot... You couldn't Pwn anyone... and you try hard.
You can choose to believe whatever you want to... It matters not to me what you think.
I choose not to drive because I absolutely hate it... HATE it.. end of story.
You keep telling yourself that driving is some status symbol.
Enjoy your mediocrity and keep pushing those fuel caps.
...yet for some odd reason you keep responding? ??? odd isn't it? ;D
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...yet for some odd reason you keep responding? ??? odd isn't it? ;D
It's a natural response to try to correct stupidity.
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It's a natural response to try to correct stupidity.
Correcting stupidity is not the natural response of one who doesn't care what someone thinks. 8)
Let's see how many "natural responses" you'll not care enough to muster up, shall we? ::)
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Correcting stupidity is not the natural response of one who doesn't care what someone thinks. 8)
Let's see how many "natural responses" you'll not care enough to muster up, shall we? ::)
Just this last one...
You know you have no leg to stand on when the one argument you have is "you're not supposed to care enough to respond".
See, that's a catch 22 for anyone posting... If they don't say anything...you continue to blabber, and if they do, you just say "oh, but you don't care".
Sad.
You're still a terrible human being and nothing will change that.
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Just this last one...
You know you have no leg to stand on when the one argument you have is "you're not supposed to care enough to respond".
See, that's a catch 22 for anyone posting... If they don't say anything...you continue to blabber, and if they do, you just say "oh, but you don't care".
Sad.
You're still a terrible human being and nothing will change that.
whatever you say bike boy. ;D
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Jag, you're out of your depth on such matters, I have personally owned you on numerous occasions.
The second story is highly likely to be a cover-up story to lessen the backlash.
So onto my position:
Basically, muhammad suggested all women should wear the hijab... why?
Because a certain event happened on a travel by muhammad and his party. On the way Aisha somehow deviated and got lost, another member of the party (a man) accompanied and stayed with her over night.
This event escalated into some kind of camp medieval soap opera, resulting in muhammad having an extremely convenient revelation in which god declared Aisha innocent of adulterous activities and providing a new verse for the koran in which it is suggested women wear the hijab.
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Jag, you're out of your depth on such matters, I have personally owned you on numerous occasions.
The second story is highly likely to be a cover-up story to lessen the backlash.
So onto my position:
Basically, muhammad suggested all women should wear the hijab... why?
Because a certain event happened on a travel by muhammad and his party. On the way Aisha somehow deviated and got lost, another member of the party (a man) accompanied and stayed with her over night.
This event escalated into some kind of camp medieval soap opera, resulting in muhammad having an extremely convenient revelation in which god declared Aisha innocent of adulterous activities and providing a new verse for the koran in which it is suggested women wear the hijab.
A suggestion isn't a mandate. In any event, I'm not about to debate Islamic doctrine or the Quran with you, as I suspect neither of us knows enough about it to speak with any authority concerning the issues.
This thread is not about Mohammed, or the Quran, or Aisha.
It's about a 16 yr old Mississauga girl who died at the hands of her father.
So far, no evidence has been presented to the public at all. The press was barred from the court arraignment, so the only thing the press have to go on is speculation and rumours from teenaged girls who were not present.
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Jag, with your liberal apologist character you have stated that the practice is un-islamic and you have aligned yourself with saying the event has nothing to do with islamic practice. You have gone out of your way to remove islam out of the equation as to why this murder took place.
You have done this countless times in the past.
When do you emigrate to Saudi Arabia?
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Jag, with your liberal apologist character you have stated that the practice is un-islamic and you have aligned yourself with saying the event has nothing to do with islamic practice.
I have stated that it would not surprise me if there was more to this than people assume in their kneejerk reactions.
I hear reports that she supposedly led a double life, wearing the hijab when she left home, but the 2nd she was where she wanted to be the hijab would be discarded. People say "Oh what a terrible life she must have led to have to resort to that", ...but honestly, I don't see it as much different from most teenaged girls. Maybe because i grew up in a predominately Italian neighborhood where this was the norm, but as I recall back to my highschool days, that was pretty much the norm. most girls kept 2 sets of clothes; one the parents approved of and she would leave the house in, and the 2nd pair she changed into afterwards. Or the kids who left the house all fresh faced, only to apply the makeup at school, ...and wash it off at the end of the day before their Dads or older brothers saw. {lol}
You have gone out of your way to remove islam out of the equation as to why this murder took place.
I have thus far not seen any evidence that islam was the cause of this tragedy. It is all speculation and rumors.
I am not closed to the possibility, I just detest seeing so many people jumping on a bandwagon of no evidence.
There is no evidence here, only rumor and speculation, and the press have been completely barred from the arraignment. Reporters are saying this is the motive but it is all rumor from little girls based on a double life that most of them are leading themselves. it sells press and makes for sensational ratings. that's all
You have done this countless times in the past.
What I've done is refuse to jump on your bandwagon of hate, bigotry, and xenophobia.
When do you emigrate to Saudi Arabia?
It happened about the same time you did, ...don't you remember, we sat together on the plane. ;)
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Jag you make too much sense, the simple mind does not understand.
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There have been countless honour killings against young women at the hands of their muslim fathers who killed them for the simple fact of dishonouring the family by dating non-muslims and/or dressing in a western manner.
I could get you a large list if you wish?
The liberal apologetic rhetoric carries no weight when there is so much evidence against it.
It happened about the same time you did, ...don't you remember, we sat together on the plane. ;)
Yeah, we joined the mile high club together! Thanks for noshing me off!
Jag you make too much sense, the simple mind does not understand.
Wow, nice pseudo-intellectual input, whilst not actually adding anything to the discussion! Bravo young jihadist!
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I have stated that it would not surprise me if there was more to this than people assume in their kneejerk reactions.
I hear reports that she supposedly led a double life, wearing the hijab when she left home, but the 2nd she was where she wanted to be the hijab would be discarded. People say "Oh what a terrible life she must have led to have to resort to that", ...but honestly, I don't see it as much different from most teenaged girls.
Incredible to see you defend a religion and a culture that systematically holds women down with an iron fist.
You repeatedly makes excuses for the abuse that women are target for in the name of Islam.
Let me make this absolutely crystal clear: There is never a situation where abuse can be legitimized.
Never a social situation where tyranny of one gender can be accepted.
Maybe because i grew up in a predominately Italian neighborhood where this was the norm, but as I recall back to my highschool days, that was pretty much the norm. most girls kept 2 sets of clothes; one the parents approved of and she would leave the house in, and the 2nd pair she changed into afterwards. Or the kids who left the house all fresh faced, only to apply the makeup at school, ...and wash it off at the end of the day before their Dads or older brothers saw. {lol}
Real fcuking funny.
I have thus far not seen any evidence that islam was the cause of this tragedy. It is all speculation and rumors.
I am not closed to the possibility, I just detest seeing so many people jumping on a bandwagon of no evidence.
There is no evidence here, only rumor and speculation, and the press have been completely barred from the arraignment. Reporters are saying this is the motive but it is all rumor from little girls based on a double life that most of them are leading themselves. it sells press and makes for sensational ratings. that's all
If she was killed because she refused to live according to medieval traditions of this family, I'd say that is conclusive evidence that the primitive religion/culture of this family was not only a factor, but the primary cause of this tragic death.
What I've done is refuse to jump on your bandwagon of hate, bigotry, and xenophobia.
What you've done, is to refuse to accept facts, to realise that those who opposes your nemesis Bush can actually be assholes too.
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There have been countless honour killings against young women at the hands of their muslim fathers who killed them for the simple fact of dishonouring the family by dating non-muslims and/or dressing in a western manner.
I could get you a large list if you wish?
The liberal apologetic rhetoric carries no weight when there is so much evidence against it.
Yeah, we joined the mile high club together! Thanks for noshing me off!
Wow, nice pseudo-intellectual input, whilst not actually adding anything to the discussion! Bravo young jihadist!
Real pseudo-intelelctualism = trying to intellectualise your hatred. You're an extremist for sure.
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Real pseudo-intelelctualism = trying to intellectualise your hatred. You're an extremist for sure.
Pseudo-statements by a pseudo-intellect.
One should invert what you say to get the truth!
Is islam a religion of peace?
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Pseudo-statements by a pseudo-intellect.
One should invert what you say to get the truth!
Is islam a religion of peace?
Are you ok? ???
All I said was I agree with her and you're gettin your panties in a bunch. Too easy! :D
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Are you ok? ???
All I said was I agree with her and you're gettin your panties in a bunch. Too easy! :D
I'm ok, not getting my panties in a bunch.#
Are you ok? How's life treating you?
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I'm ok, not getting my panties in a bunch.#
Are you ok? How's life treating you?
Obviously shitty, its Eid and I'm posting on getbig, nevermind the final I had to make for today. Haven't seen you around in a while, i guess all it takes is an islamic bashing thread to get your ass back here, whats up with you?
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Obviously shitty, its Eid and I'm posting on getbig, nevermind the final I had to make for today. Haven't seen you around in a while, i guess all it takes is an islamic bashing thread to get your ass back here, whats up with you?
I've just spent 2 weeks in your favourite country (India).
Bashing smelly vegetarian Hindu beggars is next one the cards.
I can't stand beggars, but vegetarians... gddamn they piss me off >:(
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I think you have fanatics in every religeon. Even Christians. I have a female cousin who was never allowed to cut her hair or shave her legs/armpits because her father is a minister and he didn't believe in it. She also had to wear a skirt at all times..no pants. Once we went skiing with the church youth group and she had to wear a skirt!! Also wore a skirt when swimming. ::)
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I think you have fanatics in every religeon. Even Christians. I have a female cousin who was never allowed to cut her hair or shave her legs/armpits because her father is a minister and he didn't believe in it. She also had to wear a skirt at all times..no pants. Once we went skiing with the church youth group and she had to wear a skirt!! Also wore a skirt when swimming. ::)
The big difference is that the Bible isn't written by God, and could and should be interpreted, while the Koran is the direct words of God, and every word in it is perfect, not to be interpreted.
If you have to interpret the Koran, then the Koran is less than perfect, and the author of the Koran (God) isn't perfect.
Which cannot be.
So a Christian has to look at the message of Love from Jesus, and part of that faith is trying to figure that out.
But Muslims has it all laid out in the Koran.
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The big difference is that the Bible isn't written by God, and could and should be interpreted, while the Koran is the direct words of God, and every word in it is perfect, not to be interpreted.
If you have to interpret the Koran, then the Koran is less than perfect, and the author of the Koran (God) isn't perfect.
Which cannot be.
So a Christian has to look at the message of Love from Jesus, and part of that faith is trying to figure that out.
But Muslims has it all laid out in the Koran.
Hedge, is this your belief, or your explanation of how Muslims think? cause I say horse shit to that info if stated as "fact" . no offense.
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Hedge, is this your belief, or your explanation of how Muslims think? cause I say horse shit to that info if stated as "fact" . no offense.
The Koran is the words of Allah (God).
If you do not believe in every word in the Koran, if you find something in the Koran flawed, outdated, you are questioning the whole religion, disqualifying it.
And no, I do not believe in the Koran. I believe that women should be treated equal, that there is nothing wrong with fags, they're just different. I believe that slavery is wrong, and should be prohibited.
And numerous of other things that the Koran says is wrong and I think is okay.
Also, there are things I believe are wrong, and the Koran says is right.
So called moderate, modern Muslims should read their Koran and think for a minute.
Their religion doesn't make any sense.
No sense whatsoever in this day and age. Sorry.
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The Koran is the words of Allah (God).
If you do not believe in every word in the Koran, if you find something in the Koran flawed, outdated, you are questioning the whole religion, disqualifying it.
And no, I do not believe in the Koran. I believe that women should be treated equal, that there is nothing wrong with fags, they're just different. I believe that slavery is wrong, and should be prohibited.
And numerous of other things that the Koran says is wrong and I think is okay.
Also, there are things I believe are wrong, and the Koran says is right.
So called moderate, modern Muslims should read their Koran and think for a minute.
Their religion doesn't make any sense.
No sense whatsoever in this day and age. Sorry.
The vegan pacifist speaketh teh truth!
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The Koran is the words of Allah (God).
If you do not believe in every word in the Koran, if you find something in the Koran flawed, outdated, you are questioning the whole religion, disqualifying it.
And no, I do not believe in the Koran. I believe that women should be treated equal, that there is nothing wrong with fags, they're just different. I believe that slavery is wrong, and should be prohibited.
And numerous of other things that the Koran says is wrong and I think is okay.
Also, there are things I believe are wrong, and the Koran says is right.
So called moderate, modern Muslims should read their Koran and think for a minute.
Their religion doesn't make any sense.
No sense whatsoever in this day and age. Sorry.
Ok that's what I figured .I understand what you ment. I wasn't sure if you were saying that YOU felt the koran was the word of GOD etc.
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The vegan pacifist speaketh teh truth!
Don't you have a Kaba to visit and worship at? ;)
Direction: South-south east from where you live.
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Don't you have a Kaba to visit and worship at? ;)
Direction: South-south east from where you live.
Truth hurts eh?
Thanks for the directions my islamic brother. Salaam!
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Article: "What are some of the rights given to women in Islam" by Shabir Ally:
The Qur’an also speaks of similarity in terms of creation. God tells us that He created a single soul and from it its mate, then He made countless men and women from those two (see Qur’an 4:1). The Qur’an does not contain the belief that the man alone is created in the image of God.
Because of this fundamental similarity between men and women, the Qur’an declares that women have rights similar to the rights against them according to what is equitable (see Qur’an 2:228).
In a time when women were devalued and female infants were buried alive, the Qur’an raised the value of women and prohibited female infanticide. Due to the Qur’an, this practice was abolished, but in recent times advances in the science of genetic selection has encouraged some unbelievers to practice a modern form of female infanticide.
The Qur’an also abolished the practice whereby inheritance went to only the oldest male heir. Instead, a woman can inherit from her father, her husband, and her childless brother (see Qur’an 4:7, 32, 176).
In Islam when a woman gets married she does not surrender her maiden name, but maintains her distinct identity. Some Muslim women have adopted the surnames of their husbands, but this is due to cultural influence, not Islam.
In a Muslim marriage the groom gives a dowry to the bride, not to her father. This becomes her private property to keep or spend, and is not subject to the dictates of her male relatives. Any money she earns or receives is similarly her very own.
Under Islamic Law a woman cannot be married without her consent. She has final approval on a marriage partner and she can repudiate a marriage arranged without her consent. She also has the right to initiate a separation from marriage if her rights under marriage are not being granted.
Widows have the right to remarry, and they are in fact encouraged to do so.
The Qur’an places on men the responsibility of protecting and maintaining their female relatives. This relieves women of the need to earn their own living. It also means that a man must provide for his wife even if she has money of her own. She is not obligated to spend her money in the maintenance of her family. Incidentally, a woman is also not required to cook for her family, although she may do so out of love and compassion. The example of our noble prophet, on whom be peace, is that although he was such a great leader, he assisted in the housecleaning and mended his own clothes.
In return for the added responsibility, the Qur’an gives men the degree of leadership (see Qur’an 2:228; 4:34). This does not mean that men should dominate women, but rather that they should deal with them in kindness, mercy, and love (see Qur’an 4:19; 30:21).
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The vegan pacifist speaketh teh truth!
Psuedo-Intellectual ::)
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Psuedo-Intellectual ::)
Psuedo-muslim ::)
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Psuedo-muslim ::)
you = need to stop pretending like you know anything about islam. (friendly advice)
This is an order from Debussey.
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you = need to stop pretending like you know anything about islam. (friendly advice)
This is an order from Debussey.
My knowledge of islam is the sum of your and bigbobs's knowledge.
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My knowledge of islam is the sum of your and bigbobs's knowledge.
Not from the way you were talking on the Questions & Suggestions Board.
Do you follow a religion? Just wondering.
You should check out Shabir Ally's websites, he's a Muslim scholar of the Bible, and frequently man-handles Christian scholars in interfaith dialogue/debates. I think you could find a lot of answers to your questions there:
Shabir Ally: http://www.shabirally.com/
Islamic Information Center: http://www.islaminfo.com/new/
Let the Quran Speak: http://quranspeaks.com/main/
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Not from the way you were talking on the Questions & Suggestions Board.
Do you follow a religion? Just wondering.
You should check out Shabir Ally's websites, he's a Muslim scholar of the Bible, and frequently man-handles Christian scholars in interfaith dialogue/debates. I think you could find a lot of answers to your questions there:
Shabir Ally: http://www.shabirally.com/
Islamic Information Center: http://www.islaminfo.com/new/
Let the Quran Speak: http://quranspeaks.com/main/
Atheism.
He'd get owned by Robert Spencer: http://jihadwatch.org/
Shabir Ally has been owned on occasion from a Kuwaiti Christian from "Answering Islam".
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Atheism.
He'd get owned by Robert Spencer: http://jihadwatch.org/
Shabir Ally has been owned on occasion from a Kuwaiti Christian from "Answering Islam".
Has Satan Robert Spencer ever debated with anyone, or is he always running a one man show ???
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If you have to interpret the Koran, then the Koran is less than perfect, and the author of the Koran (God) isn't perfect.
Busted.
Assumptions = mother of all fuck ups. But now you're just making shit up.
You come up with your own criterion for what has divine origins? What makes you qualified to do so?
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Has Satan Robert Spencer ever debated with anyone, or is he always running a one man show ???
Yes, he's slayed numerous muslims in debate.
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Yes, he's slayed numerous muslims in debate.
Who? i wanna see him debate someone with good credentials, like Reza Aslan, shabir ally, etc.
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Who? i wanna see him debate someone with good credentials, like Reza Aslan, shabir ally, etc.
Sam Harris layed the smackdown on Reza Aslan's ass.
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Sam Harris layed the smackdown on Reza Aslan's ass.
In your dreams, lol. I have rarely seen someone so visibly owned as Sam Harris on TV- you could especially notice in his voice ;)
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Yes, he's slayed numerous muslims in debate.
It's slain, fucking slain!, not 'slayed'!
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It's slain, fucking slain!, not 'slayed'!
shut up, nordic is a REAL intellectual! >:(
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shut up, nordic is a REAL intellectual! >:(
No one regularises irregular verbs in my presence, NO ONE! >:(
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Funny how Nordic Beast is claiming all these SLAYINGS, without actually providing the video clip. Shabir's debates are all openly available on his website, since he's the one who does the ownings.
I actually haven't heard of Reza Aslan.
The late Ahmed Deedat also did a lot of Christian-ownings.
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This thread is ridiculous. One only needs to read the Koran and one can see it was written by man just as one only needs to read the Bible to see it was written by man. There are scientific errors and historical errors in both. Islam is a plagiarism of Judaism, Persian mythology and host of other ancient beliefs.
Personally I think we should all just leave Muslims alone to their medievalism. Let a few decades pass; when the rest of the world progresses, scientifically, technologically and otherwise they will still be performing criminal amputations and whipping women who are raped; eventually they will fall so far behind that they will realise that their system doesn't work too well.
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One only needs to read the Koran and one can see it was written by man just as one only needs to read the Bible to see it was written by man.
Exactly right.
The claim by Muslims is that the Qu'ran is from Allah, reading it, you will obviously see it is not, it has factual flaws.
That should give the Muslims the courage to leave the BS behind and walk as free men and women.
Start treating women as equals, stop harassing homosexuals, stop the polygamy, et al.
Start living in the 21st century.
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Funny how Nordic Beast is claiming all these SLAYINGS, without actually providing the video clip. Shabir's debates are all openly available on his website, since he's the one who does the ownings.
I actually haven't heard of Reza Aslan.
The late Ahmed Deedat also did a lot of Christian-ownings.
I'm not "Nordic Beast", that's another member.
Apologies for the bad English.
Muslims get owned on a daily basis, why do you think they're so bitter?
Personally I think we should all just leave Muslims alone to their medievalism. Let a few decades pass; when the rest of the world progresses, scientifically, technologically and otherwise they will still be performing criminal amputations and whipping women who are raped; eventually they will fall so far behind that they will realise that their system doesn't work too well.
Considering muslims like to take the lives of non-muslims, that is a terrible idea.
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Rezazadadzaza Hossein has beig beefy muslim legs
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I'm not "Nordic Beast", that's another member.
Apologies for the bad English.
Muslims get owned on a daily basis, why do you think they're so bitter?
Considering muslims like to take the lives of non-muslims, that is a terrible idea.
My bad--the Nordic Beast mixup wasn't intentional.
Fact remains that I posted a link which contains videos of Shabir Ally owning many Christian scholars. Your response is to simply say "Muslims get owned on a daily basis," without actually showing any videos of prominent Muslim speakers getting owned in inter-faith debates. I'm assuming you're simply referring to the uneducated and emotional Muslims in third world countries when you say they are "bitter," but that hardly reflects anything to do with the religion itself as opposed to their upbringing and surroundings.
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My bad--the Nordic Beast mixup wasn't intentional.
Fact remains that I posted a link which contains videos of Shabir Ally owning many Christian scholars. Your response is to simply say "Muslims get owned on a daily basis," without actually showing any videos of prominent Muslim speakers getting owned in inter-faith debates. I'm assuming you're simply referring to the uneducated and emotional Muslims in third world countries when you say they are "bitter," but that hardly reflects anything to do with the religion itself as opposed to their upbringing and surroundings.
Sam Harris layed the smackdown on Reza Aslan search youtube for these names.
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Exactly right.
The claim by Muslims is that the Qu'ran is from Allah, reading it, you will obviously see it is not, it has factual flaws.
That should give the Muslims the courage to leave the BS behind and walk as free men and women.
Start treating women as equals, stop harassing homosexuals, stop the polygamy, et al.
Start living in the 21st century.
Regarding "factual flaws," please be specific if there are any and I can try to address them.
Regarding polygamy, the fact that something is allowed does not mean its encouraged or even a common practice. Since, as you noted, Islam is applicable to all places and all times, certain rules must be broad enough to encompass an extremely wide case of scenerios and settings. The rule of polygamy is intended for scenerios in which war-torn countries contain more women then men coupled with the fact that the economy is such that jobs are scarce and men are typically the bread-winners. In many counties in the past and even today, if polygamy were not allowed women would simply starve to death. As of right now I believe 52% of the world's population is female, compared to 48% male. I have a more recent example in which about 7 years ago women in Nigeria were PROTESTING in the streets AGAINST men who could afford to have more than one wife but refused to! They were actually holding up signs and protesting...because the economy there is not like it is North America where anyone can easily find work, so these women need men to support them financially, and when men don't marry them they remain in poverty.
So in conclusion, the rule is allowed for certain circumstances such as the above around the world.
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Sam Harris layed the smackdown on Reza Aslan search youtube for these names.
No clue who Reza Aslan is or what his credentials are. The fact that I haven't heard of him makes me think he is not very prominent. Instead of referring me to one youtube clip with only several minutes of a less-known Muslim speaker losing to a debate against a Christian, why not try to match up by providing FULL hour or more length videos that contain the whole debate and those against prominent speakers Shabir Ally or Ahmed Deedat--which is what I provided.
I know those videos are lengthy and would take a long time to get through them all, but they would offer you lots of insight and answer many of your questions.
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Regarding "factual flaws," please be specific if there are any and I can try to address them.
Regarding polygamy, the fact that something is allowed does not mean its encouraged or even a common practice. Since, as you noted, Islam is applicable to all places and all times, certain rules must be broad enough to encompass an extremely wide case of scenerios and settings. The rule of polygamy is intended for scenerios in which war-torn countries contain more women then men coupled with the fact that the economy is such that jobs are scarce and men are typically the bread-winners. In many counties in the past and even today, if polygamy were not allowed women would simply starve to death. As of right now I believe 52% of the world's population is female, compared to 48% male. I have a more recent example in which about 7 years ago women in Nigeria were PROTESTING in the streets AGAINST men who could afford to have more than one wife but refused to! They were actually holding up signs and protesting...because the economy there is not like it is North America where anyone can easily find work, so these women need men to support them financially, and when men don't marry them they remain in poverty.
So in conclusion, the rule is allowed for certain circumstances such as the above around the world.
Factual errors:
7:124 Surely I shall have your hands and feet cut off upon alternate sides. Then I shall crucify you every one.
20:71 (Pharaoh) said: Ye put faith in him before I give you leave. Lo! he is your chief who taught you magic. Now surely I shall cut off your hands and your feet alternately, and I shall crucify you on the trunks of palm trees, and ye shall know for certain which of us hath sterner and more lasting punishment.
Crucifixion is a Roman punishment, unknown in Egypt at the time this story supposedly occurred.
71:16 And hath made the moon a light therein, and made the sun a lamp ?
This verse implies that the moon produces its own light, rather than reflecting light from the sun.
86:5 So let man consider from what he is created.
86:6 He is created from a gushing fluid
86:7 That issued from between the loins and ribs.
Humans are formed from "a gushing fluid" that issues "from between the loins and the ribs, i.e. the spine.
There are several others though these are rather infamous ones.
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Regarding "factual flaws," please be specific if there are any and I can try to address them.
Regarding polygamy, the fact that something is allowed does not mean its encouraged or even a common practice. Since, as you noted, Islam is applicable to all places and all times, certain rules must be broad enough to encompass an extremely wide case of scenerios and settings. The rule of polygamy is intended for scenerios in which war-torn countries contain more women then men coupled with the fact that the economy is such that jobs are scarce and men are typically the bread-winners. In many counties in the past and even today, if polygamy were not allowed women would simply starve to death. As of right now I believe 52% of the world's population is female, compared to 48% male. I have a more recent example in which about 7 years ago women in Nigeria were PROTESTING in the streets AGAINST men who could afford to have more than one wife but refused to! They were actually holding up signs and protesting...because the economy there is not like it is North America where anyone can easily find work, so these women need men to support them financially, and when men don't marry them they remain in poverty.
So in conclusion, the rule is allowed for certain circumstances such as the above around the world.
It is absolutely beyond me how anyone can thing any of these books (Bible, Koran) of pseudo-history and mythology could be the perfect in any way, shape or form.
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See Youtube.
It's not my job to find the videos for you.
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Factual errors:
7:124 Surely I shall have your hands and feet cut off upon alternate sides. Then I shall crucify you every one.
20:71 (Pharaoh) said: Ye put faith in him before I give you leave. Lo! he is your chief who taught you magic. Now surely I shall cut off your hands and your feet alternately, and I shall crucify you on the trunks of palm trees, and ye shall know for certain which of us hath sterner and more lasting punishment.
Crucifixion is a Roman punishment, unknown in Egypt at the time this story supposedly occurred.
71:16 And hath made the moon a light therein, and made the sun a lamp ?
This verse implies that the moon produces its own light, rather than reflecting light from the sun.
86:5 So let man consider from what he is created.
86:6 He is created from a gushing fluid
86:7 That issued from between the loins and ribs.
Humans are formed from "a gushing fluid" that issues "from between the loins and the ribs, i.e. the spine.
There are several others though these are rather infamous ones.
Regarding crucifixion in Egypt, the "flaw" you found is extremely "weak," and that's being generous. Man of all times and places knew of crucifixion as a punishment, not only Romans and not egyptians, lol.
Regarding 71:16, I dont interpret it the way you do. There's nothing there that implies that the moon'slight is not a reflection of the Sun's. Here's a page that contains a summary of many translations of the verse, which shows how interpretations can easily be different simply based on trying to translate the Arabic script: http://islamawakened.com/Quran/71/16/
Regarding 85:5-7: (copy and pasted resonse)
"In embryonic stages, the reproductive organs of the male and female, i.e. the testicles and the ovaries, begin their development near the kidney between the spinal column and the eleventh and twelfth ribs. Later they descend; the female gonads(ovaries) stop in the pelvis while the male gonads(testicles) continue their descent before birth to reach the scrotum through the inguinal canal. Even in the adult after the descent of the reproductive organ, these organs receive their nerve supply and blood supply from the Abdominal Aorta, which is in the area between the back bone(spinal column) and the ribs. Even the lymphatic drainage and the venous return goes to the same area."
For more detailed info on embryology in the Quran see: http://www.answering-christianity.com/embryology.htm
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See Youtube.
It's not my job to find the videos for you.
I found more than enough videos for you on the contrary, if you were able to match mine you sure would ;)
Besides, taking a select youtube clip of a few minutes to imply one speaker "owned" another during a debate which lasts over an hour is ludicrous.
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I found more than enough videos for you on the contrary, if you were able to match mine you sure would ;)
Besides, taking a select youtube clip of a few minutes to imply one speaker "owned" another during a debate which lasts over an hour is ludicrous.
I'll look into it then when I'm less busy :)
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Regarding crucifixion in Egypt, the "flaw" you found is extremely "weak," and that's being generous. Man of all times and places knew of crucifixion as a punishment, not only Romans and not egyptians, lol.
Regarding 71:16, I dont interpret it the way you do. There's nothing there that implies that the moon'slight is not a reflection of the Sun's. Here's a page that contains a summary of many translations of the verse, which shows how interpretations can easily be different simply based on trying to translate the Arabic script: http://islamawakened.com/Quran/71/16/
Regarding 85:5-7: (copy and pasted resonse)
"In embryonic stages, the reproductive organs of the male and female, i.e. the testicles and the ovaries, begin their development near the kidney between the spinal column and the eleventh and twelfth ribs. Later they descend; the female gonads(ovaries) stop in the pelvis while the male gonads(testicles) continue their descent before birth to reach the scrotum through the inguinal canal. Even in the adult after the descent of the reproductive organ, these organs receive their nerve supply and blood supply from the Abdominal Aorta, which is in the area between the back bone(spinal column) and the ribs. Even the lymphatic drainage and the venous return goes to the same area."
For more detailed info on embryology in the Quran see: http://www.answering-christianity.com/embryology.htm
I take it you are a Muslim who believes the Quran is the perfect word of allah? Right?
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Regarding crucifixion in Egypt, the "flaw" you found is extremely "weak," and that's being generous. Man of all times and places knew of crucifixion as a punishment, not only Romans and not egyptians, lol.
Regarding 71:16, I dont interpret it the way you do. There's nothing there that implies that the moon'slight is not a reflection of the Sun's. Here's a page that contains a summary of many translations of the verse, which shows how interpretations can easily be different simply based on trying to translate the Arabic script: http://islamawakened.com/Quran/71/16/
Regarding 85:5-7: (copy and pasted resonse)
"In embryonic stages, the reproductive organs of the male and female, i.e. the testicles and the ovaries, begin their development near the kidney between the spinal column and the eleventh and twelfth ribs. Later they descend; the female gonads(ovaries) stop in the pelvis while the male gonads(testicles) continue their descent before birth to reach the scrotum through the inguinal canal. Even in the adult after the descent of the reproductive organ, these organs receive their nerve supply and blood supply from the Abdominal Aorta, which is in the area between the back bone(spinal column) and the ribs. Even the lymphatic drainage and the venous return goes to the same area."
For more detailed info on embryology in the Quran see: http://www.answering-christianity.com/embryology.htm
Can you explain hermaphrodites?
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Incredible to see you defend a religion and a culture that systematically holds women down with an iron fist.
You repeatedly makes excuses for the abuse that women are target for in the name of Islam.
Let me make this absolutely crystal clear: There is never a situation where abuse can be legitimized.
Never a social situation where tyranny of one gender can be accepted.
Real fcuking funny.
Are you on drugs? Put down the crackpipe, and pull out whatever the fvck is stuck up your ass and get a clue!
If she was killed because she refused to live according to medieval traditions of this family, I'd say that is conclusive evidence that the primitive religion/culture of this family was not only a factor, but the primary cause of this tragic death.
HELLO?!!! If being the operative word. None of us know. Nobody knows, right now everyone is jumping to conclusions based on rumours the press put out in circulation because they have been barred from his arraignment.
What you've done, is to refuse to accept facts, to realise that those who opposes your nemesis Bush can actually be assholes too.
Now I know you're certifiable. There are no fucking facts other than a girl is dead, and her father has been charged with her murder. Those are the only facts out there. As for the guy's politics, how the fuck would I know what his politics are? Seriiously? And for you to even suggest that you do, makes you sound even stupider than I previously thought you were. What do you base your assumption of his politics on? Something concrete, ...or more of the ignorance you wallow in and expect. I don't know. If I had to hazard a guess, I'd say the guy was probably a conservative based on the neighbourhood they lived in and the fact that Indian & Pakistani upper middle class Canadians are bringing about an upsurge in the growing number of conservative party supporters in this country. That, and the fact that he was a fucking idiot who killed his daughter.
But seriously, this has nothing whatsoever to do with Bush or politics. The fact that you even bring bush's name into it, makes you look like an even bigger buffoon than Nordic. At least we all know he's got shit for brains and nothing but bigotry in his veins, ...but what's your excuse? Give your head a shake. If and when you're able to use some common sense, then get back to me, but right now it appears commonsense & intelligent reasoning, is something you and quite a few others are incapable of mustering if it involves anyone the least bit "swarthy looking".
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Can you explain hermaphrodites?
Nordic, if you were a hermaphrodite, ...I'd tell you to go fuck yourself!
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Nordic, if you were a hermaphrodite, ...I'd tell you to go fuck yourself!
Jaguar, your leftism borders on lunacy.
There is a middle ground you know.
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Nordic, if you were a hermaphrodite, ...I'd tell you to go fuck yourself!
ha ha, congrats, moderately amusing :)
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Jaguar, your leftism borders on lunacy.
There is a middle ground you know.
I fail to see how politics enters into this Trapeze. Perhaps you could explain it to me?
I know the mantra of some bigots is hate everything & everyone dark & muslim.
Assume they're all religious fanatics etc., etc., All I'm saying is there is no evidence here, only speculation.
nobody knows. I'm not saying he was above all that, I don't know, I don't know the guy, all I'm saying is I won't bother rushing to judgement because it was a slow news day.
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I agree with Jag.
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I agree with Jag.
Nooooo!
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=175811.0
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I fail to see how politics enters into this Trapeze. Perhaps you could explain it to me?
I know the mantra of some bigots is hate everything & everyone dark & muslim.
Assume they're all religious fanatics etc., etc., All I'm saying is there is no evidence here, only speculation.
nobody knows. I'm not saying he was above all that, I don't know, I don't know the guy, all I'm saying is I won't bother rushing to judgement because it was a slow news day.
It is a standard leftist reaction to blame anything but the dogmaticism and tenets of Islam for the actions of its adherents. That's what I meant.
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Nooooo!
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=175811.50
I must have missed her talking about a dead mother. ???
If so that aint cool
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It is a standard leftist reaction to blame anything but the dogmaticism and tenets of Islam for the actions of its adherents. That's what I meant.
OK, ...definition understood. But at the same time you could say it is neo-con influenced brain washing to using any crime committed by anyone who may be muslim was a direct influence of islam.
All I'm saying is a girl is gead, her father has been arrested, reporters are barred from the arraignment, and everyone is saying he killed her over a hijab. What I'm saying is 'we don't know why, ...and to assume, is merely that, ...an assumption, not fact.'
There was a guy out west who killed his daughter, ...did people run off and make assumptions about why he did it without having any evidence? Did they pass the rumour and innuendo off as fact, or were they at least cognizant of the fact that they were only dealing in rumour, gossip, speculation and innuendo.
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I must have missed her talking about a dead mother. ???
If so that aint cool
gtbro1,
Some people like bike boy can't handle anything that even remotely hints at speaking ill about a DEAD parent, ...but have no problem with a guy like Alec Baldwin heaping vicious verbal abuse at a LIVE child.
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I have thus far not seen any evidence that islam was the cause of this tragedy. It is all speculation and rumors.
It doesn't matter. Islam sucks ass, period.
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Look at Jag... ripping on a guy for riding a bike, while at the same time sporting a "be a responsible steward of the earth" tag line.
G o a t b o y smells hypocrisy! :o
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Look at Jag... ripping on a guy for riding a bike, while at the same time sporting a "be a responsible steward of the earth" tag line.
G o a t b o y smells hypocrisy! :o
Remember... it's only being environmentally friendly if you buy those fuel craps... so she can make some money.
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Hi,Judi! ;D
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Gee... I manage to make money without engaging in bullshit scams. Too bad the same can't be said of everyone here, huh?
You probably have a real skill though.
;D
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Look at Jag... ripping on a guy for riding a bike, while at the same time sporting a "be a responsible steward of the earth" tag line.
G o a t b o y smells hypocrisy! :o
{LOL} Touche. Point taken.
But it's not being hypocritical, ...it's being catty.
He doesn't ride the bike to save the environment, he does it cause he can't afford a car.
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{LOL} Touche. Point taken.
But it's not being hypocritical, ...it's being catty.
He doesn't ride the bike to save the environment, he does it cause he can't afford a car.
Maybe he can afford one, but just doesn't want one. For a while back when I was living in DC full time I didn't have a car there. In the city they're useless, because there's no such thing as "parking" anywhere. Cabs and the subway were far more convenient than fuccking around with a car.
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Maybe he can afford one, but just doesn't want one. For a while back when I was living in DC full time I didn't have a car there. In the city they're useless, because there's no such thing as "parking" anywhere. Cabs and the subway were far more convenient than fuccking around with a car.
It's simple... I dislike the way she talked about another member of this site's mother who has passed away and as such, she decided that I can't afford a car.
Quite a logical assumption huh?
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OK, ...definition understood. But at the same time you could say it is neo-con influenced brain washing to using any crime committed by anyone who may be muslim was a direct influence of islam.
All I'm saying is a girl is gead, her father has been arrested, reporters are barred from the arraignment, and everyone is saying he killed her over a hijab. What I'm saying is 'we don't know why, ...and to assume, is merely that, ...an assumption, not fact.'
There was a guy out west who killed his daughter, ...did people run off and make assumptions about why he did it without having any evidence? Did they pass the rumour and innuendo off as fact, or were they at least cognizant of the fact that they were only dealing in rumour, gossip, speculation and innuendo.
You are correct. Everything, including this needs to contextualised. One needs to look at the evidence. For example, American foreign policy in the Middle East exacerbates a people who already believe in a primitive and irrational religion, thus worsening the consequences, which would be bad to begin with, without Islam in the picture. Context is everything.
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Maybe he can afford one, but just doesn't want one. For a while back when I was living in DC full time I didn't have a car there. In the city they're useless, because there's no such thing as "parking" anywhere. Cabs and the subway were far more convenient than fuccking around with a car.
Goatboy,
I completely understand what you're saying. And if he lived in NYC, Toronto, Europe, or some other bustling metropolis where mass transit is available and more convenient, ...I wouldn't conclude that, ...but he lives in Southern Cali.
If you live in Southern Cali, and don't drive, ...it's not by choice.
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Goatboy,
I completely understand what you're saying. And if he lived in NYC, Toronto, Europe, or some other bustling metropolis where mass transit is available and more convenient, ...I wouldn't conclude that, ...but he lives in Southern Cali.
If you live in Southern Cali, and don't drive, ...it's not by choice.
Wow Jags... How deep in your head am I?
You know nothing about me except that I think you're a piece of crap, but you seem to know that "It's not my choice"... You're as delusional as they come.
It really doesn't matter what you "think" you know... You're still a piece of crap.
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Wow Jags... How deep in your head am I?
It appears I AM the one in your head. Why else would you keep responding when you said you wouldn't?
You know nothing about me except that I think you're a piece of crap, but you seem to know that "It's not my choice"... You're as delusional as they come.
I know you're too broke to afford a car. Deal with it bike boy! :D
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It appears I AM the one in your head. Why else would you keep responding when you said you wouldn't?
I know you're too broke to afford a car. Deal with it bike boy! :D
I was responding to him for the most part... your response was a by-product... everyone can see that. I think nothing about you until I happen to log onto get big... you're busy thinking about me day and night.
I'm not shocked... I'm a mesmerizing guy... It's natural.
But if helps you sleep better at night thinking you're so deep in my head... It's fine... You keep thinking that. The simple truth is... You suck... You said something that no decent person would EVER say... NEVER. It shows what kind of person you really are.
You can try to spin it or cover it up, or whatever, but the reality is that you're a piece of crap.
Again... "oooh, you said you wouldn't respond." I couldn't care less about what you think I will or won't do.
How pathetic are you? You said crap about someone's mother who passed away and you think you even have a leg to stand on? You notice
You know nothing... I can buy damn near any car I want tomorrow, but what's the point? To prove something to you? HAHAHA! You keep dreaming you putrid steaming pile of dog excrement... you don't take up that kind of space in my head... so just sit there and be the hateful evil women we all know.
The one thing I do know... I know that you've yet to deny that you're a piece of crap... It seems we can all agree on that.
PS... Calling someone "bike boy"? Next time, just call a white guy a "honkey"... I'm sure he'll just jump up and down due to his rage ::)
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I was responding to him for the most part... your response was a by-product... everyone can see that.
{LOL} Obviously, ...especially when it's me that you're quoting in the process. ::)
I think nothing about you until I happen to log onto get big... you're busy thinking about me day and night.
You only wish you could occupy someone's thoughts that way.
I'm not shocked... I'm a mesmerizing guy
hardly ::)
But if helps you sleep better at night thinking you're so deep in my head... It's fine... You keep thinking that.
I don't give a poop if I'm in your head or not. it's unimportant to me, ...but it sure seems important to you.
The simple truth is... You suck...
Those who know, ..know. Those who don't, ...wish they did. :-X
You said something that no decent person would EVER say... NEVER. It shows what kind of person you really are.
You can try to spin it or cover it up, or whatever, but the reality is that you're a piece of crap.
Again... "oooh, you said you wouldn't respond." I couldn't care less about what you think I will or won't do.
Your actions betray your words.
How pathetic are you? You said crap about someone's mother who passed away and you think you even have a leg to stand on? You notice
I never said crap about his mother other than she was probably a rotting corpse being eaten by worms and maggots. Do you think she's crying a river over that?
You know nothing... I can buy damn near any car I want tomorrow, but what's the point? To prove something to you? HAHAHA!
Keep saying that to yourself over & over, ...and eventually, ...you might even believe it. :)
You keep dreaming you putrid steaming pile of dog excrement... you don't take up that kind of space in my head... so just sit there and be the hateful evil women we all know.
For someone who takes up no space in your head, ...you sure spent a lot of time replying to someone you said you wouldn't reply to. ???
The one thing I do know... I know that you've yet to deny that you're a piece of crap... It seems we can all agree on that.
Why would I care to deny any innaccuracies you may happen to believe, ...when I don't give a poop what you think about me? That's the difference between us. You care what I think, otherwise you wouldn't spend so much time denying anything I may say. I on the other hand, don't give two poops what you think of me, so I don't have any problem ignoring your innaccurate assessments. Think all the innaccuracies you want about me. I don't give a poop, 'cause i got nothing to prove to you bike boy. 8)
PS... Calling someone "bike boy"? Next time, just call a white guy a "honkey"... I'm sure he'll just jump up and down due to his rage ::)
Nah, I'm not into singling out people based on their race. Besides, I'm sure you would prefer me call you a honkey as opposed to bike boy, since bike boy obviously irks you so much. It's actually quite humourous when you think about it. Who would have thunk it? Even stupider than the name 'bike boy', ...is how much the term bugs you. That's funny.
Anyway, I'm outta here. Bye Bike Boy! :D