Father killed daughter for not wearing hijab, her friends say

[wisconsinBB]

How would that have prevented him of killing his daughter?

He should have taken into consideration that his daughter may want to conform to the society she lived in and be just like her other friends. 

[The Master]

I would NEVER go as far as to kill her...but as her father (based on HIS beliefs) i would beat her ass.  Some of you cant understand this train of thought so let me help.....you walk in on your SON sucking a dick... how do you react?  Same shit.....see my point

If you had a son who was gay, would you beat him up for it, when he can't change his sexual orientation anyway? (and when it was likely that your genetics partially gave it to him?)

[The Squadfather]

every woman, muslim, christian, jewish, buddhist, hindu, whatever are ALL GOING TO GROW UP AND FUCCK AND SUCK, it's just a woman's nature.

[youandme]

haha look at these dumbfucks in this thread trying to compare christians and muslims....i never saw where in the 10 commandments it says you need to beat the shit out of your children if they don't conform.

[warrior_code]

Sounds a lot like a christian...

I don't think that is a fair generalization to make.  Religion is full of myths and legends that have no merit no doubt, but it is not to blame for situations like this.  It is a certain type of person who makes problems like this, religion just serves as an avenue for one to express their foul beliefs.  I feel pretty confident in saying that the Quran doesn't give you the authority to take life due to ones fashion choices, the man was clearly a lunatic.   

[Tre]

That makes no sense.

[bebop396]

I don't think that is a fair generalization to make.  Religion is full of myths and legends that have no merit no doubt, but it not to blame for situations like this.  It is a certain type of person who makes problems like this, religion just serves as an avenue for one to express their foul beliefs.  I feel pretty confident in saying that the Quran doesn't give you the authority to take life due to ones fashion choices, the man was clearly a lunatic.   

Yes he should be judged and dealt with for murdering his daughter....He is defiinetly a lunatic....

[Tre]

haha look at these dumbfucks in this thread trying to compare christians and muslims....i never saw where in the 10 commandments it says you need to beat the shit out of your children if they don't conform.

Are you kidding?

Christians have been beating the shit out of their kids since the dawn of their scam religion.

[Tre]

Yes he should be judged and dealt with for murdering his daughter....He is defiinetly a lunatic....

He should be dealt with by a pack of wild Americans, not by the Canadian 'justice' system.

[wisconsinBB]

Are you kidding?

Christians have been beating the shit out of their kids since the dawn of their scam religion.

All religions are fucked, just these fucking towelheads are a little more fucked than the next.  Suicide bombings and killing all their women and shit?

[The Squadfather]

All religions are fucked, just these fucking towelheads are a little more fucked than the next.  Suicide bombings and killing all their women and shit?

[bebop396]

All religions are fucked, just these fucking towelheads are a little more fucked than the next.  Suicide bombings and killing all their women and shit?

How long have christians been an authority on history? How much control does christianity have on what we know? Im not defending the violence in the faith of muslims, but do not think for a minute that christians are any better....I would never want to be a muslim, and i cannot stand the mentality that is taken to the extreme....Their is blood spilled in the name of all religions.....I dont know much of the history of budhism as far as blood on their hands....

The faith in god and religion people have is not the problem....the majority of all christians, and muslims practice their faith peacefully....It is the lunatics that hear the voice of god and go on a rampage that are the problem....

[bigbobs]

It wasn't his religion that made him do that, but just the fact that he's fucked in the head.  One of my classmates from high school killed his mom with an axe (and only got 7 years, but that's another story)...but the fact that he was Christian was irrelevant towards the crime or its motive.  In a Muslim country the father would be sentenced to death, which is harsher than what will happen to him here in Canada.

[Tre]

How long have christians been an authority on history? How much control does christianity have on what we know? Im not defending the violence in the faith of muslims, but do not think for a minute that christians are any better....I would never want to be a muslim, and i cannot stand the mentality that is taken to the extreme....Their is blood spilled in the name of all religions.....I dont know much of the history of budhism as far as blood on their hands....

Do you count Jews as Christians?

[wisconsinBB]

It wasn't his religion that made him do that, but just the fact that he's fucked in the head.  One of my classmates from high school killed his mom with an axe (and only got 7 years, but that's another story)...but the fact that he was Christian was irrelevant towards the crime or its motive.  In a Muslim country the father would be sentenced to death, which is harsher than what will happen to him here in Canada.

Agreed that religious or not a person has to be pretty fucked to do something like that.  

[dr.chimps]

I would NEVER go as far as to kill her...but as her father (based on HIS beliefs) i would beat her ass.  Some of you cant understand this train of thought so let me help.....you walk in on your SON sucking a dick... how do you react?  Same shit.....see my point

Subtle. My hope is that you never reproduce.

[Matt C]

I would NEVER go as far as to kill her...but as her father (based on HIS beliefs) i would beat her ass.  Some of you cant understand this train of thought so let me help.....you walk in on your SON sucking a dick... how do you react?  Same shit.....see my point

I disagree.  You make it sound like morality is relative in this situation, and it is not.  You could argue it is his house and his rules, but that never gives him moral justification to beat her.  He could at most, impose an ultimatum: wear the religious regalia or leave.

A moral transaction is one which consists of bilaterally voluntary consent.  I will post on here exactly what I posted on a recent facebook note regarding severe religious programming when viewed as a disease (which by all rights it should be viewed as):

"I know better than to debate with people like that, since their method of debate is just to yell at me. Through years of indoctrinating sermons and proselytizing, I believe that very religious (or otherwise close minded) people have insult to their brain to the point where it makes it literally impossible to be open to alternate views.

We've all heard that older people set in their ways can't be changed. I believe that is because through the years some parts of their brain have taken a permanent physical structure not allowing for it. Contrast that with young brains - they can accept change since no irreversible insult has been caused.

Think of a rotten apple: You can't un-rot it. The structure is altered and permanent. Think about a disease of cognition such as Alzheimer's; it is progressive and irreversible. I think a challenge for neuroscientists would be to analyze the parts of the brain affected here and to determine which neural pathways and lobes are involved.

There is division and lateralization of mental processing and I think it would be possible to determine very specific answers. I think severe indoctrination is as much a disease as trauma caused by physical activity.

I may sound rude to look at it as a disease, but rationally speaking, it takes on all the characteristics of one. Just because it is accepted by so many, doesn't mean it cannot be classified in this manner. At various times in history, misogyny, slavery, and even murder were deemed acceptable (appeal to popularity fallacy).

What I am offended by: the same neoconservative Christian fundamentalists who line up in droves to stop valuable stem cell research are the same ones who will also line up to reap the benefits of the cures when they finally do get developed thanks to stem cells. They are entitled to hurt themselves, but I think it's horrible that they hurt other people and take advantage of the same things they tried to prevent."

[youandme]

It wasn't his religion that made him do that, but just the fact that he's fucked in the head.  One of my classmates from high school killed his mom with an axe (and only got 7 years, but that's another story)...but the fact that he was Christian was irrelevant towards the crime or its motive.  In a Muslim country the father would be sentenced to death, which is harsher than what will happen to him here in Canada.

So the son killed the mom for not bible thumping or going to church?

What is RELEVENT in this case is "she did not follow muslim religion" and the father and brother punished her for it.

The father killed her, and the brother obstructed justice into the investigation....hmmm sounds like a pattern or learned traits.....passed down by religious practices.

[suckmymuscle]

  I have been saying for years that we should nuke the Middle East and Israel with it and be done with it. Eliminate these medieval bastards once and for all.

[The Squadfather]

  I have been saying for years that we should nuke the Middle East and Israel with it and be done with it. Eliminate these medieval bastards once and for all.

no just get rid of Israel and you get rid of the problem.

[bigbobs]

So the son killed the mom for not bible thumping or going to church?

What is RELEVENT in this case is "she did not follow muslim religion" and the father and brother punished her for it.

The father killed her, and the brother obstructed justice into the investigation....hmmm sounds like a pattern or learned traits.....passed down by religious practices.

No that wasn't he reason why the son killed the mom, but if it had been it still not mean that the religion is to blame.

The father and brother "did not follow Muslim religion" to a much worse extent since murder is considered an infinitely worse crime than not wearing your hijab.  

You wont find a single "religious practice" in Islam that would condone this.  Isolated incidents can be found of Christians killing or committing crimes in the name of Christianity, but that doesn't mean that the Bible condones these practices.

[Tre]

I disagree.  You make it sound like morality is relative in this situation, and it is not.  You could argue it is his house and his rules, but that never gives him moral justification to beat her.  He could at most, impose an ultimatum: wear the religious regalia or leave.

A moral transaction is one which consists of bilaterally voluntary consent.  I will post on here exactly what I posted on a recent facebook note regarding severe religious programming when viewed as a disease (which by all rights it should be viewed as):

"I know better than to debate with people like that, since their method of debate is just to yell at me. Through years of indoctrinating sermons and proselytizing, I believe that very religious (or otherwise close minded) people have insult to their brain to the point where it makes it literally impossible to be open to alternate views.

We've all heard that older people set in their ways can't be changed. I believe that is because through the years some parts of their brain have taken a permanent physical structure not allowing for it. Contrast that with young brains - they can accept change since no irreversible insult has been caused.

Think of a rotten apple: You can't un-rot it. The structure is altered and permanent. Think about a disease of cognition such as Alzheimer's; it is progressive and irreversible. I think a challenge for neuroscientists would be to analyze the parts of the brain affected here and to determine which neural pathways and lobes are involved.

There is division and lateralization of mental processing and I think it would be possible to determine very specific answers. I think severe indoctrination is as much a disease as trauma caused by physical activity.

I may sound rude to look at it as a disease, but rationally speaking, it takes on all the characteristics of one. Just because it is accepted by so many, doesn't mean it cannot be classified in this manner. At various times in history, misogyny, slavery, and even murder were deemed acceptable (appeal to popularity fallacy).

What I am offended by: the same neoconservative Christian fundamentalists who line up in droves to stop valuable stem cell research are the same ones who will also line up to reap the benefits of the cures when they finally do get developed thanks to stem cells. They are entitled to hurt themselves, but I think it's horrible that they hurt other people and take advantage of the same things they tried to prevent."

Excellent post.

[dorkeroo]

He should be dealt with by a pack of wild Americans, not by the Canadian 'justice' system.

I think one of the biggest problems isn't that justice systems are inadequate, but, that the world community as a whole puts up with this kind of crap being brought to their countries.

It isn't just Muslims either. Muslims are making the news. I have a Bosnian friend who hates a Serbian guy here and neither have ever even met let alone experienced a genocidal event.

You want to bring Muslim law to Canada? Go back to where you can do that crap and stay out of the country. If I was in charge, and thank God I am not, I would send anyone that brings foreign problems like that back to where they were from (and any family members involved to really get the point across) and never let them back in again. We have enough problems without that and maybe people would stop trying to live "here" like they lived "there".

[Tre]

I think one of the biggest problems isn't that justice systems are inadequate, but, that the world community as a whole puts up with this kind of crap being brought to their countries.

It isn't just Muslims either. Muslims are making the news. I have a Bosnian friend who hates a Serbian guy here and neither have ever even met let alone experienced a genocidal event.

You want to bring Muslim law to Canada? Go back to where you can do that crap and stay out of the country. If I was in charge, and thank God I am not, I would send anyone that brings foreign problems like that back to where they were from (and any family members involved to really get the point across) and never let them back in again. We have enough problems without that and maybe people would stop trying to live "here" like they lived "there".

But the fact that the actual perps and their families are NOT being deported from the U.S. or Canada...what does that tell ya?

That the people in charge want that element here.

 

[dorkeroo]

But the fact that the actual perps and their families are NOT being deported from the U.S. or Canada...what does that tell ya?

That the people in charge want that element here.

 

I guess that is possible. I hope that isn't true though.