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Re: Father killed daughter for not wearing hijab, her friends say
« Reply #75 on: December 11, 2007, 05:49:01 PM »
Everyone loves hot bitches.


A picture of Gary Busey would be much better.


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Re: Father killed daughter for not wearing hijab, her friends say
« Reply #76 on: December 11, 2007, 07:50:40 PM »
Are you suggesting counter culture imperialism tactics?

We could drop bombs of nude magazine, x-box games, and miller lite, and some ciggs for Christmas.

This is what I've been saying since Day One.

Bomb them with pornography (American), video games, and make sure they've got unrestricted internet access.

IF WE DO THIS FOR TEN YEARS, Americanism will take a firm root in that region. 

And the total operation will cost a fraction of what we've spent this year on the 'war'. 

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Re: Father killed daughter for not wearing hijab, her friends say
« Reply #77 on: December 11, 2007, 07:52:18 PM »
Everyone loves hot bitches.

Exactly. 

Things may be different now, but back then, Levi's were like gold and American porn was platinum. 

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Re: Father killed daughter for not wearing hijab, her friends say
« Reply #78 on: December 11, 2007, 08:28:20 PM »
This is what I've been saying since Day One.

Bomb them with pornography (American), video games, and make sure they've got unrestricted internet access.

IF WE DO THIS FOR TEN YEARS, Americanism will take a firm root in that region. 

And the total operation will cost a fraction of what we've spent this year on the 'war'. 


BUT instead, just the opposite is happening. Americans are being bombed by having to stand for more political correct BS, and sit idle as we can no loner say the pledge of allegiance, in a US school.

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Re: Father killed daughter for not wearing hijab, her friends say
« Reply #79 on: December 12, 2007, 01:17:35 PM »
Dude... what we did was for GREED, not for religion... totally different.

I think that's bullshit too, but it's not over RELIGION.

This was not over religion either. Nowhere in islam or in the Quran does it say women must wear the hijab, ...or that it is acceptable to murder women who do not conform. Islam teaches that men & women should dress modestly. Many misinterpret that to mean a hijab for women is a requirement. It should be a choice.

What we have here is a 'cultural' difference of opinion, not a religious one. Just as in North America, within Christian households, there are different 'cultural' beliefs about what is acceptable when disciplining your kids. For some, corporal punishment is acceptable, ...for others, it is unacceptable. These are "cultural beliefs", not religious ones. Despite the fact that religious fundamentalists cite the phrase "Spare the rod, spoil the child" as a religious decree from on high justifying the use of corporal punishment when disciplining kids.

I think when it all comes out, ...it will be discovered that he did not intend to kill her, but got so carried away in anger, she ended up dying as a result. One doesn't call 911 unless they are attempting to save a life. I also doubt it was about the hijab, ...but rather her decision to move out of the family home 2 days prior. In Canada, a teenager can leave home at 16 if they want whether their parents like it or not. She chose to do just that.

When I was in highschool, I had a Pakistani girlfriend who chose to do that. Her bags were packed, and on the stroke of midnight, she telephoned police, and asked them to come and escort her out of her parents home.

I've seen this same type of conflict occur within Hindu familes, Italian families, Asian families etc. And i've seen many young women beaten at the hands of their families because of it. In some cultures, the kids simply do not move out of the parental home until they are married. PERIOD! Regardless of their age or income. And when the unmarried child moving out is a woman, it is considered to bring a huge disgrace onto the family. It seems to be only North Americans who can't wait to get their kids out of their homes ASAP. Most other cultures try to keep them there.

This is about culture not religion.

In any event, she was not just a 16 yr. old Pakistani girl.
She was a Canadian citizen first and foremost, and as such had certain rights that no 'cultural belief' or 'religion' can usurp.
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Re: Father killed daughter for not wearing hijab, her friends say
« Reply #80 on: December 12, 2007, 02:25:16 PM »
This was not over religion either. Nowhere in islam or in the Quran does it say women must wear the hijab, ...or that it is acceptable to murder women who do not conform. Islam teaches that men & women should dress modestly. Many misinterpret that to mean a hijab for women is a requirement. It should be a choice.

*BIG SNIP BECAUSE I DON'T CARE WHAT JAG SAYS*



Hey Jag... no one cares what you think... you dogged out someone's dead parent remember?

Why are you still here?

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Re: Father killed daughter for not wearing hijab, her friends say
« Reply #81 on: December 12, 2007, 03:20:35 PM »
Hey Jag... no one cares what you think... you dogged out someone's dead parent remember?

Why are you still here?

what happend?

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Re: Father killed daughter for not wearing hijab, her friends say
« Reply #82 on: December 12, 2007, 03:38:30 PM »
what happend?

I believe, and someone can correct me if I'm wrong... because I'm trying to remember this off the top of my head.

But...

Berserker was debating a point with Jaguar and she started in on how his "dead mother" would feel... and it escalated from there.

Basically, she brought in his dead mom into a debate and I found it (as well as others) quite low.

She can go to hell as far as I'm concerned.

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Re: Father killed daughter for not wearing hijab, her friends say
« Reply #83 on: December 12, 2007, 05:21:06 PM »
I believe, and someone can correct me if I'm wrong... because I'm trying to remember this off the top of my head.

But...

Berserker was debating a point with Jaguar and she started in on how his "dead mother" would feel... and it escalated from there.

Basically, she brought in his dead mom into a debate and I found it (as well as others) quite low.

She can go to hell as far as I'm concerned.

dead moms tell no tales..

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Re: Father killed daughter for not wearing hijab, her friends say
« Reply #84 on: December 12, 2007, 06:16:28 PM »
Why are most of you defending this guy he murdered his daughter for not covering her hair in school who cares about his cultural believes  ???
Money drugs and bitches

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Re: Father killed daughter for not wearing hijab, her friends say
« Reply #85 on: December 12, 2007, 06:17:14 PM »
Why are most of you defending this guy he murdered his daughter for not covering her hair in school who cares about his cultural believes  ???

Someone is defending this guy? Really? Who?

I totally missed that.

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Re: Father killed daughter for not wearing hijab, her friends say
« Reply #86 on: December 12, 2007, 08:06:50 PM »
I believe, and someone can correct me if I'm wrong... because I'm trying to remember this off the top of my head.

But...

Berserker was debating a point with Jaguar and she started in on how his "dead mother" would feel... and it escalated from there.

Basically, she brought in his dead mom into a debate and I found it (as well as others) quite low.

She can go to hell as far as I'm concerned.

Yikes  :o    :-X 

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Re: Father killed daughter for not wearing hijab, her friends say
« Reply #87 on: December 12, 2007, 09:13:05 PM »
Hey Jag... no one cares what you think...

Evidently you do.  :)
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Re: Father killed daughter for not wearing hijab, her friends say
« Reply #88 on: December 12, 2007, 09:55:29 PM »
Evidently you do.  :)

No... I care that you're still here... as far as I'm concerned, you should be gone.

Your opinion on any matter, no longer counts.

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Re: Father killed daughter for not wearing hijab, her friends say
« Reply #89 on: December 13, 2007, 11:12:35 AM »
wow muslims are doing a really good job on CNN defending this killing "this should be a wake up call to the muslim community when a women's hijab is off she is seen as a sexual object" said the head of a muslim mosque in California

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Re: Father killed daughter for not wearing hijab, her friends say
« Reply #90 on: December 13, 2007, 11:20:27 AM »
wow muslims are doing a really good job on CNN defending this killing "this should be a wake up call to the muslim community when a women's hijab is off she is seen as a sexual object" said the head of a muslim mosque in California

Ah yes... the women are property stance... Excellent!

I've always agreed with that point actually.

;D

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Re: Father killed daughter for not wearing hijab, her friends say
« Reply #91 on: December 13, 2007, 12:04:52 PM »
No... I care that you're still here... as far as I'm concerned, you should be gone.

Your opinion on any matter, no longer counts.

Tough shit. Deal with with it bike boy!
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Re: Father killed daughter for not wearing hijab, her friends say
« Reply #92 on: December 13, 2007, 12:06:00 PM »
wow fucked up fanatical muslims are doing a really good job on CNN defending this killing "this should be a wake up call to the muslim community when a women's hijab is off she is seen as a sexual object" said the head of a muslim mosque in California

There, corrected it for you. Up here we have yet to see any Muslims defending him. Everything I've heard thus far has been condemnation from the Canadian Muslim community. There's I'm sure more to this story that will come out. When he had his arraignment in court, the press was barred from the courthouse (which is an unusual move) I'm sure there will be more to come.
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Re: Father killed daughter for not wearing hijab, her friends say
« Reply #93 on: December 17, 2007, 03:12:12 PM »
I also doubt it was about the hijab, ...but rather her decision to move out of the family home 2 days prior.

There's I'm sure more to this story that will come out. When he had his arraignment in court, the press was barred from the courthouse (which is an unusual move) I'm sure there will be more to come.


Canadian Muslim girl not killed over hijab: report
Sat Dec 15, 5:31 PM

OTTAWA (AFP) - A Canadian Muslim girl murdered this week by her father was not killed for refusing to wear a hijab, her second family said, according to a National Post report Saturday.
 
Lubna Tahir, at whose house 16 year old Aqsa Parvez was staying after leaving her own home in Toronto's Mississauga suburb, branded as "rumors" news stories that Parvez's father killed her for not wearing the Muslim headscarf.

Tahir insisted that Parvez was religiously observant but mainly had wanted to be more independent and "to get more out of life," and so had asked to move in with the Tahirs in the same neighborhood.

"She was satisfied, she was relaxed that somehow her parents understood that this is what she wanted to do, and they didn't push her to come home," Tahir told the National Post.

Pakistan-native cab driver Muhammad Parvez, 57, was arrested at his home Monday where Aqsa was found by emergency workers near death.

According to Tahir, an immigration consultant who also immigrated from Pakistan, Parvez had gone back home to pick up some clothes.

Police said in a statement they received an emergency call at 7:55 am local time from "a man who indicated that he had just killed his daughter."

The girl later died in the hospital, and an autopsy determined that the cause of death was "neck compression."

In the days after her death, friends of the girl told media that Parvez frequently clashed with her estranged family over her reluctance to wear a hijab.

"She would tell us how her dad would always yell at her and how he wanted her to be someone else," her friend Natalie Rance, 14, told the daily Toronto Star.

But Tahir insisted that the girl's four older sisters were also not forced to wear the hijab all the time at home.

She also rejected reports that Parvez had a secret boyfriend.

Even so, it was not the first time she had left home, according to the National Post. It said Parvez ran away from home in September, when she fled to a women's shelter.
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Re: Father killed daughter for not wearing hijab, her friends say
« Reply #94 on: December 17, 2007, 03:54:24 PM »
Tough shit. Deal with with it bike boy!

Haha... Yeah, that's a real cut down there.

You're a piece of crap... that is all. You are dismissed.

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Re: Father killed daughter for not wearing hijab, her friends say
« Reply #95 on: December 17, 2007, 04:49:33 PM »
Haha... Yeah, that's a real cut down there.

You're a piece of crap... that is all. You are dismissed.

When you live in a place like NY, ...or downtown TO, ...or even parts of Europe... no,
...but what kind of a grown man in Southern California rides a bicycle?  :-X
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Re: Father killed daughter for not wearing hijab, her friends say
« Reply #96 on: December 17, 2007, 05:34:16 PM »
When you live in a place like NY, ...or downtown TO, ...or even parts of Europe... no,
...but what kind of a grown man in Southern California rides a bicycle?  :-X

The kind of guy who lives 3 blocks from work... 2 miles from the beach and can afford to get his groceries delivered and can rent a car to go anywhere he wants to outside of his normal area.

Are you just jealous because I don't have any need for your stupid fuel craps caps?

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Re: Father killed daughter for not wearing hijab, her friends say
« Reply #97 on: December 17, 2007, 05:47:18 PM »
The kind of guy who lives 3 blocks from work... 2 miles from the beach and can afford to get his groceries delivered and can rent a car to go anywhere he wants to outside of his normal area.

I know guys who work from home and live in beach houses right ON the beach, they still own cars.
This is Southern Cali.  ;)

So what you're saying is that you live your life within a 2 miles area then. I'm embarassed for you  :-[
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Re: Father killed daughter for not wearing hijab, her friends say
« Reply #98 on: December 17, 2007, 05:50:30 PM »
I know guys who work from home and live in beach houses right ON the beach, they still own cars.
This is Southern Cali.  ;)

So what you're saying is that you live your life within a 2 miles area then. I'm embarassed for you  :-[

I use my money to do other things... Like travel wherever I want to every couple of months... See the sites of the world, not just my backyard.

Could I buy a car? Sure... but for what? to prove something to people like YOU?

Haha!

Don't be embarrassed for me... it's your attitude that's shit.

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Re: Father killed daughter for not wearing hijab, her friends say
« Reply #99 on: December 17, 2007, 09:06:19 PM »
I use my money to do other things... Like travel wherever I want to every couple of months... See the sites of the world, not just my backyard.

Could I buy a car? Sure... but for what? to prove something to people like YOU?

Haha!

Don't be embarrassed for me... it's your attitude that's shit.


You are so PWND!

If you had any money, it would not be an either or situation. You'd have a car, ...and you'd travel.

Why does a guy who doesn't care what I say, spend so much time explaining his financial situation?
If not for some feeble attempt "to prove something to people like me"? Methinks thou dost protest too much.  8)
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