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Re: Father killed daughter for not wearing hijab, her friends say
« Reply #100 on: December 17, 2007, 09:14:22 PM »
You are so PWND!

If you had any money, it would not be an either or situation. You'd have a car, ...and you'd travel.

Why does a guy who doesn't care what I say, spend so much time explaining his financial situation?
If not for some feeble attempt "to prove something to people like me"? Methinks thou dost protest too much.  8)

Jags... you're just an idiot... You couldn't Pwn anyone... and you try hard.

You can choose to believe whatever you want to... It matters not to me what you think.

I choose not to drive because I absolutely hate it... HATE it.. end of story.

You keep telling yourself that driving is some status symbol.

Enjoy your mediocrity and keep pushing those fuel caps.

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Re: Father killed daughter for not wearing hijab, her friends say
« Reply #101 on: December 17, 2007, 09:18:12 PM »
Jags... you're just an idiot... You couldn't Pwn anyone... and you try hard.

You can choose to believe whatever you want to... It matters not to me what you think.

I choose not to drive because I absolutely hate it... HATE it.. end of story.

You keep telling yourself that driving is some status symbol.

Enjoy your mediocrity and keep pushing those fuel caps.

...yet for some odd reason you keep responding? ??? odd isn't it?   ;D
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Re: Father killed daughter for not wearing hijab, her friends say
« Reply #102 on: December 17, 2007, 09:22:07 PM »
...yet for some odd reason you keep responding? ??? odd isn't it?   ;D

It's a natural response to try to correct stupidity.

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Re: Father killed daughter for not wearing hijab, her friends say
« Reply #103 on: December 17, 2007, 10:07:02 PM »
It's a natural response to try to correct stupidity.

Correcting stupidity is not the natural response of one who doesn't care what someone thinks.  8)

Let's see how many "natural responses" you'll not care enough to muster up, shall we?  ::)

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Re: Father killed daughter for not wearing hijab, her friends say
« Reply #104 on: December 17, 2007, 10:29:49 PM »
Correcting stupidity is not the natural response of one who doesn't care what someone thinks.  8)

Let's see how many "natural responses" you'll not care enough to muster up, shall we?  ::)



Just this last one...

You know you have no leg to stand on when the one argument you have is "you're not supposed to care enough to respond".

See, that's a catch 22 for anyone posting... If they don't say anything...you continue to blabber, and if they do, you just say "oh, but you don't care".

Sad.

You're still a terrible human being and nothing will change that.

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Re: Father killed daughter for not wearing hijab, her friends say
« Reply #105 on: December 17, 2007, 10:30:55 PM »
Just this last one...

You know you have no leg to stand on when the one argument you have is "you're not supposed to care enough to respond".

See, that's a catch 22 for anyone posting... If they don't say anything...you continue to blabber, and if they do, you just say "oh, but you don't care".

Sad.

You're still a terrible human being and nothing will change that.

whatever you say bike boy.  ;D
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Re: Father killed daughter for not wearing hijab, her friends say
« Reply #106 on: December 18, 2007, 11:18:50 AM »
Jag, you're out of your depth on such matters, I have personally owned you on numerous occasions.

The second story is highly likely to be a cover-up story to lessen the backlash.

So onto my position:

Basically, muhammad suggested all women should wear the hijab... why?

Because a certain event happened on a travel by muhammad and his party. On the way Aisha somehow deviated and got lost, another member of the party (a man) accompanied and stayed with her over night.

This event escalated into some kind of camp medieval soap opera, resulting in muhammad having an extremely convenient revelation in which god declared Aisha innocent of adulterous activities and providing a new verse for the koran in which it is suggested women wear the hijab.
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Re: Father killed daughter for not wearing hijab, her friends say
« Reply #107 on: December 18, 2007, 11:31:05 AM »
Jag, you're out of your depth on such matters, I have personally owned you on numerous occasions.

The second story is highly likely to be a cover-up story to lessen the backlash.

So onto my position:

Basically, muhammad suggested all women should wear the hijab... why?

Because a certain event happened on a travel by muhammad and his party. On the way Aisha somehow deviated and got lost, another member of the party (a man) accompanied and stayed with her over night.

This event escalated into some kind of camp medieval soap opera, resulting in muhammad having an extremely convenient revelation in which god declared Aisha innocent of adulterous activities and providing a new verse for the koran in which it is suggested women wear the hijab.

A suggestion isn't a mandate. In any event, I'm not about to debate Islamic doctrine or the Quran with you, as I suspect neither of us knows enough about it to speak with any authority concerning the issues.

This thread is not about Mohammed, or the Quran, or Aisha.
It's about a 16 yr old Mississauga girl who died at the hands of her father.

So far, no evidence has been presented to the public at all. The press was barred from the court arraignment, so the only thing the press have to go on is speculation and rumours from teenaged girls who were not present.
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Re: Father killed daughter for not wearing hijab, her friends say
« Reply #108 on: December 18, 2007, 11:35:53 AM »
Jag, with your liberal apologist character you have stated that the practice is un-islamic and you have aligned yourself with saying the event has nothing to do with islamic practice. You have gone out of your way to remove islam out of the equation as to why this murder took place.

You have done this countless times in the past.

When do you emigrate to Saudi Arabia?
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Re: Father killed daughter for not wearing hijab, her friends say
« Reply #109 on: December 18, 2007, 11:38:27 PM »
Jag, with your liberal apologist character you have stated that the practice is un-islamic and you have aligned yourself with saying the event has nothing to do with islamic practice.

I have stated that it would not surprise me if there was more to this than people assume in their kneejerk reactions.
I hear reports that she supposedly led a double life, wearing the hijab when she left home, but the 2nd she was where she wanted to be the hijab would be discarded. People say "Oh what a terrible life she must have led to have to resort to that", ...but honestly, I don't see it as much different from most teenaged girls. Maybe because i grew up in a predominately Italian neighborhood where this was the norm, but as I recall back to my highschool days, that was pretty much the norm. most girls kept 2 sets of clothes; one the parents approved of and she would leave the house in, and the 2nd pair she changed into afterwards. Or the kids who left the house all fresh faced, only to apply the makeup at school, ...and wash it off at the end of the day before their Dads or older brothers saw. {lol}

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You have gone out of your way to remove islam out of the equation as to why this murder took place.

I have thus far not seen any evidence that islam was the cause of this tragedy. It is all speculation and rumors.
I am not closed to the possibility, I just detest seeing so many people jumping on a bandwagon of no evidence.
There is no evidence here, only rumor and speculation, and the press have been completely barred from the arraignment. Reporters are saying this is the motive but it is all rumor from little girls based on a double life that most of them are leading themselves. it sells press and makes for sensational ratings. that's all

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You have done this countless times in the past.

What I've done is refuse to jump on your bandwagon of hate, bigotry, and xenophobia.

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When do you emigrate to Saudi Arabia?

It happened about the same time you did, ...don't you remember, we sat together on the plane.  ;)
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Re: Father killed daughter for not wearing hijab, her friends say
« Reply #110 on: December 19, 2007, 12:05:17 AM »
Jag you make too much sense, the simple mind does not understand.
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Re: Father killed daughter for not wearing hijab, her friends say
« Reply #111 on: December 19, 2007, 01:09:21 AM »
There have been countless honour killings against young women at the hands of their muslim fathers who killed them for the simple fact of dishonouring the family by dating non-muslims and/or dressing in a western manner.

I could get you a large list if you wish?

The liberal apologetic rhetoric carries no weight when there is so much evidence against it.

It happened about the same time you did, ...don't you remember, we sat together on the plane.  ;)

Yeah, we joined the mile high club together! Thanks for noshing me off!

Jag you make too much sense, the simple mind does not understand.

Wow, nice pseudo-intellectual input, whilst not actually adding anything to the discussion! Bravo young jihadist!
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Re: Father killed daughter for not wearing hijab, her friends say
« Reply #112 on: December 19, 2007, 02:25:24 AM »
I have stated that it would not surprise me if there was more to this than people assume in their kneejerk reactions.
I hear reports that she supposedly led a double life, wearing the hijab when she left home, but the 2nd she was where she wanted to be the hijab would be discarded. People say "Oh what a terrible life she must have led to have to resort to that", ...but honestly, I don't see it as much different from most teenaged girls.


Incredible to see you defend a religion and a culture that systematically holds women down with an iron fist.

You repeatedly makes excuses for the abuse that women are target for in the name of Islam.

Let me make this absolutely crystal clear: There is never a situation where abuse can be legitimized.

Never a social situation where tyranny of one gender can be accepted.

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Maybe because i grew up in a predominately Italian neighborhood where this was the norm, but as I recall back to my highschool days, that was pretty much the norm. most girls kept 2 sets of clothes; one the parents approved of and she would leave the house in, and the 2nd pair she changed into afterwards. Or the kids who left the house all fresh faced, only to apply the makeup at school, ...and wash it off at the end of the day before their Dads or older brothers saw. {lol}

Real fcuking funny.



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I have thus far not seen any evidence that islam was the cause of this tragedy. It is all speculation and rumors.
I am not closed to the possibility, I just detest seeing so many people jumping on a bandwagon of no evidence.
There is no evidence here, only rumor and speculation, and the press have been completely barred from the arraignment. Reporters are saying this is the motive but it is all rumor from little girls based on a double life that most of them are leading themselves. it sells press and makes for sensational ratings. that's all

If she was killed because she refused to live according to medieval traditions of this family, I'd say that is conclusive evidence that the primitive religion/culture of this family was not only a factor, but the primary cause of this tragic death.




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What I've done is refuse to jump on your bandwagon of hate, bigotry, and xenophobia.

What you've done, is to refuse to accept facts, to realise that those who opposes your nemesis Bush can actually be assholes too.

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Re: Father killed daughter for not wearing hijab, her friends say
« Reply #113 on: December 19, 2007, 09:04:32 AM »
There have been countless honour killings against young women at the hands of their muslim fathers who killed them for the simple fact of dishonouring the family by dating non-muslims and/or dressing in a western manner.

I could get you a large list if you wish?

The liberal apologetic rhetoric carries no weight when there is so much evidence against it.

Yeah, we joined the mile high club together! Thanks for noshing me off!

Wow, nice pseudo-intellectual input, whilst not actually adding anything to the discussion! Bravo young jihadist!
Real pseudo-intelelctualism = trying to intellectualise your hatred. You're an extremist for sure.
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Re: Father killed daughter for not wearing hijab, her friends say
« Reply #114 on: December 19, 2007, 11:22:45 AM »
Real pseudo-intelelctualism = trying to intellectualise your hatred. You're an extremist for sure.

Pseudo-statements by a pseudo-intellect.

One should invert what you say to get the truth!

Is islam a religion of peace?
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Re: Father killed daughter for not wearing hijab, her friends say
« Reply #115 on: December 19, 2007, 11:31:19 AM »
Pseudo-statements by a pseudo-intellect.

One should invert what you say to get the truth!

Is islam a religion of peace?
Are you ok?  ???

All I said was I agree with her and you're gettin your panties in a bunch. Too easy!  :D
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Re: Father killed daughter for not wearing hijab, her friends say
« Reply #116 on: December 19, 2007, 11:41:18 AM »
Are you ok?  ???

All I said was I agree with her and you're gettin your panties in a bunch. Too easy!  :D

I'm ok, not getting my panties in a bunch.#

Are you ok? How's life treating you?
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Re: Father killed daughter for not wearing hijab, her friends say
« Reply #117 on: December 19, 2007, 11:44:37 AM »
I'm ok, not getting my panties in a bunch.#

Are you ok? How's life treating you?
Obviously shitty, its Eid and I'm posting on getbig, nevermind the final I had to make for today. Haven't seen you around in a while, i guess all it takes is an islamic bashing thread to get your ass back here, whats up with you?
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Re: Father killed daughter for not wearing hijab, her friends say
« Reply #118 on: December 19, 2007, 12:15:13 PM »
Obviously shitty, its Eid and I'm posting on getbig, nevermind the final I had to make for today. Haven't seen you around in a while, i guess all it takes is an islamic bashing thread to get your ass back here, whats up with you?

I've just spent 2 weeks in your favourite country (India).

Bashing smelly vegetarian Hindu beggars is next one the cards.

I can't stand beggars, but vegetarians... gddamn they piss me off >:(
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Re: Father killed daughter for not wearing hijab, her friends say
« Reply #119 on: December 19, 2007, 12:44:36 PM »
I think you have fanatics in every religeon. Even Christians. I have a female cousin who was never allowed to cut her hair or shave her legs/armpits because her father is a minister and he didn't believe in it. She also had to wear a skirt at all times..no pants. Once we went skiing with the church youth group and she had to wear a skirt!! Also wore a skirt when swimming.  ::)







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« Reply #120 on: December 20, 2007, 01:08:19 AM »
I think you have fanatics in every religeon. Even Christians. I have a female cousin who was never allowed to cut her hair or shave her legs/armpits because her father is a minister and he didn't believe in it. She also had to wear a skirt at all times..no pants. Once we went skiing with the church youth group and she had to wear a skirt!! Also wore a skirt when swimming.  ::)

The big difference is that the Bible isn't written by God, and could and should be interpreted, while the Koran is the direct words of God, and every word in it is perfect, not to be interpreted.

If you have to interpret the Koran, then the Koran is less than perfect, and the author of the Koran (God) isn't perfect.

Which cannot be.

So a Christian has to look at the message of Love from Jesus, and part of that faith is trying to figure that out.

But Muslims has it all laid out in the Koran.
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Re: Father killed daughter for not wearing hijab, her friends say
« Reply #121 on: December 20, 2007, 03:49:58 AM »
The big difference is that the Bible isn't written by God, and could and should be interpreted, while the Koran is the direct words of God, and every word in it is perfect, not to be interpreted.

If you have to interpret the Koran, then the Koran is less than perfect, and the author of the Koran (God) isn't perfect.

Which cannot be.

So a Christian has to look at the message of Love from Jesus, and part of that faith is trying to figure that out.

But Muslims has it all laid out in the Koran.

  Hedge, is this your belief, or your explanation of how Muslims think? cause I say horse shit to that info if stated  as  "fact" . no offense.

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« Reply #122 on: December 20, 2007, 03:59:34 AM »
  Hedge, is this your belief, or your explanation of how Muslims think? cause I say horse shit to that info if stated  as  "fact" . no offense.

The Koran is the words of Allah (God).

If you do not believe in every word in the Koran, if you find something in the Koran flawed, outdated, you are questioning the whole religion, disqualifying it.

And no, I do not believe in the Koran. I believe that women should be treated equal, that there is nothing wrong with fags, they're just different. I believe that slavery is wrong, and should be prohibited.

And numerous of other things that the Koran says is wrong and I think is okay.

Also, there are things I believe are wrong, and the Koran says is right.

So called moderate, modern Muslims should read their Koran and think for a minute.

Their religion doesn't make any sense.

No sense whatsoever in this day and age. Sorry.
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Re: Father killed daughter for not wearing hijab, her friends say
« Reply #123 on: December 20, 2007, 04:05:32 AM »
The Koran is the words of Allah (God).

If you do not believe in every word in the Koran, if you find something in the Koran flawed, outdated, you are questioning the whole religion, disqualifying it.

And no, I do not believe in the Koran. I believe that women should be treated equal, that there is nothing wrong with fags, they're just different. I believe that slavery is wrong, and should be prohibited.

And numerous of other things that the Koran says is wrong and I think is okay.

Also, there are things I believe are wrong, and the Koran says is right.

So called moderate, modern Muslims should read their Koran and think for a minute.

Their religion doesn't make any sense.

No sense whatsoever in this day and age. Sorry.

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Re: Father killed daughter for not wearing hijab, her friends say
« Reply #124 on: December 20, 2007, 04:09:13 AM »
The Koran is the words of Allah (God).

If you do not believe in every word in the Koran, if you find something in the Koran flawed, outdated, you are questioning the whole religion, disqualifying it.

And no, I do not believe in the Koran. I believe that women should be treated equal, that there is nothing wrong with fags, they're just different. I believe that slavery is wrong, and should be prohibited.

And numerous of other things that the Koran says is wrong and I think is okay.

Also, there are things I believe are wrong, and the Koran says is right.

So called moderate, modern Muslims should read their Koran and think for a minute.

Their religion doesn't make any sense.

No sense whatsoever in this day and age. Sorry.

  Ok that's what I figured .I understand what you ment. I wasn't sure if you were saying that YOU felt the koran was the word of GOD  etc.