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How the hell did Flex wheeler lose in 1998.
All the coleman nuthuggers can come back with he was drier, had better legs, thicker and more defined from the back etc. etc. etc.
But Flex just "looked better" way more symmetrical, waist looks like its 28 or 30", absolutely NO GUT, abs are insane and is just very pleasing to the eye.
Can't help but wonder if he'd won for the next 3 or 4 years if people like Dex, Vic would be getting the nod instead of that bloated mess of bulk with a 45+ inch waist that is our current Mr. O
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Ronnie destroyed Flex.
and Levrone owned Flex aswell...
you fail.
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How the hell did Flex wheeler lose in 1998.
All the coleman nuthuggers can come back with he was drier, had better legs, thicker and more defined from the back etc. etc. etc.
But Flex just "looked better" way more symmetrical, waist looks like its 28 or 30", absolutely NO GUT, abs are insane and is just very pleasing to the eye.
Can't help but wonder if he'd won for the next 3 or 4 years if people like Dex, Vic would be getting the nod instead of that bloated mess of bulk with a 45+ inch waist that is our current Mr. O
Agreed. Flex should have won. Ronnie just wasn't very pleasing to the eye in that contest. In later years like 2003 he was the outright winner hands down no complaining but in 98 Flex should have taken it.
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How the hell did Flex wheeler lose in 1998.
All the coleman nuthuggers can come back with he was drier, had better legs, thicker and more defined from the back etc. etc. etc.
But Flex just "looked better" way more symmetrical, waist looks like its 28 or 30", absolutely NO GUT, abs are insane and is just very pleasing to the eye.
Can't help but wonder if he'd won for the next 3 or 4 years if people like Dex, Vic would be getting the nod instead of that bloated mess of bulk with a 45+ inch waist that is our current Mr. O
He wasn't as ripped from the back as ronnie, and ronnie didn't only have a bigger back but drier and fuller back. Better leggs and upper body and arms.
Flex got him on waist, so what.
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Guys want to know something funny?
The video link is from 1999......and you are all arguing about Flex (who was softer in 99 than 98) should and him winning it in 98.
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Guys want to know something funny?
The video link is from 1999......and you are all arguing about Flex (who was softer in 99 than 98) should and him winning it in 98.
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Is it from 1999?
Either way, the argument still stands....they were essentially unchanged from 1998 to 1999 (Flex was slightly better in 1999)
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haha didnt even watch the video.
anyway in 98 Flex didnt deserve 2nd.
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he almost died for us :'( .......
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because he failed to obtain the same level of conditioning that he did for the Olympia in 1993, where he was 0.0 % body fat. If he would have done that he would have won hands down....he was maybe 2% at best in 1998
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quote Flex magazine Jan 1999
When Ronnie is 100% , Flex has to be 100% to prevail. On October 10 , 1998 , Flex wasn't and Ronnie was.
Stating the obvious if Flex was on 100% he would beat Coleman
Flex Wheeler
It's true I didn't quite duplicate my condition at the Arnold Schwarzenegger Classic. if I'd been able to do that , I would have won EASILY !!
Flex commenting how would have beaten Ronnie with ease if he replicated his ASC conditioning but Alas he didn't and Ronnie was the rightful winner, even off and Ronnie being spot on he just barely beat Flex so that tens to supports Flex's claim of being able to beat Ronnie with ease if he was on .
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Is it from 1999?
Either way, the argument still stands....they were essentially unchanged from 1998 to 1999 (Flex was slightly better in 1999)
Look at the background...and most obvious is the spectacle that Flex put on (turning his back to the audience). In 98 he accepted that he lost- even in ND's article quote, he admits it though with a sore loser attitude. :-\
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Look at the background...and most obvious is the spectacle that Flex put on (turning his back to the audience). In 98 he accepted that he lost- even in ND's article quote, he admits it though with a sore loser attitude. :-\
Sore Loser? Well, I think he had the right to react the way he did.
The differences were minimal as ND put it and to be frank, not many could argue if he had won the show.
What do you feel about the second part of my statement....would others like Dex and Vic have gotten a better look if Flex had won, instead of guys like Gunter, James and Rhul?
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Narcissistic and his quotes ::)
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Flex was one of the greats, but Ronnies brute physique made Flex's look petite at best.
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Narcissistic and his quotes ::)
m8 and his content filled posts ::)
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Narcissistic and his quotes ::)
hahaha isn't it funny he quotes Flex magazine as if its the law written down in stone ;D
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Flex was one of the greats, but Ronnies brute physique made Flex's look petite at best.
Flex was always smaller than Ronnie and that never prevented him from beating Ronnie eight times previously .
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hahaha isn't it funny he quotes Flex magazine as if its the law written down in stone ;D
Its stating facts , the fact is Flex Wheeler is a man who was very capable of beating Ronnie Coleman he did it eight times previously and the second quote is from Flex himself stating the obvious if he was in shape he would have been 1998 Mr Olympia but he's his own biggest enemy .
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Sore Loser? Well, I think he had the right to react the way he did.
quote Flex magazine Jan 1999
Flex Wheeler
It's true I didn't quite duplicate my condition at the Arnold Schwarzenegger Classic. if I'd been able to do that , I would have won EASILY !!
How is that not being a sore loser? "Had I done this or that, I could have taken over the world!!!"
But you know what? He did NOT. So he didn't win. It's sour grapes, or being a sore loser being that he said what he did. Had he said "I was not at my best, and Ronnie won fair and square, he deserves it" then that would suffice and be more professional.
The differences were minimal as ND put it and to be frank, not many could argue if he had won the show.
Many have argued- and with you ad nauseam- that Ronnie won. He was bigger, harder and more dominant in 99 than he was in 98. Tom Prince said it. Flex himself said it in the magazine that bears his name. I'll paraphrase his quote; "Ronnie won. I wasn't at my best and tried to do the prep myself instead of with Chad. What I did on stage was in the heat of the moment, but looking at the photos, Ronnie got what he deserved."
What do you feel about the second part of my statement....would others like Dex and Vic have gotten a better look if Flex had won, instead of guys like Gunter, James and Rhul?
I don't really think this is relevant to the discussion at hand, but to humor you....
...No I don't think it would have been any different in later years. Ronnie didn't show up in gargantuan size till '03. The mass game was being played, no doubt, but Ronnie took it to the next level in '03. Ronnie DID show up off in 2000, and in 2001, but it wasn't till '03 that the mass at all costs mentality took over and our Mr. O became a big bloated bag of shit ever year thereafter.
If Flex had won, would it have been different? Probably not, imo. Flex put on 20lbs or so to compete with Ronnie for the 99 title. Things may have been a bit more aesthetic, but by how much we can't say. Because just like the "would of, could have, should have" mentality Flex displayed in ND's quote......Flex didn't win we will never know.
Unless you invented a time machine?
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How is that not being a sore loser? "Had I done this or that, I could have taken over the world!!!"
But you know what? He did NOT. So he didn't win. It's sour grapes, or being a sore loser being that he said what he did. Had he said "I was not at my best, and Ronnie won fair and square, he deserves it" then that would suffice and be more professional.
Many have argued- and with you ad nauseam- that Ronnie won. He was bigger, harder and more dominant in 99 than he was in 98. Tom Prince said it. Flex himself said it in the magazine that bears his name. I'll paraphrase his quote; "Ronnie won. I wasn't at my best and tried to do the prep myself instead of with Chad. What I did on stage was in the heat of the moment, but looking at the photos, Ronnie got what he deserved."
I don't really think this is relevant to the discussion at hand, but to humor you....
...No I don't think it would have been any different in later years. Ronnie didn't show up in gargantuan size till '03. The mass game was being played, no doubt, but Ronnie took it to the next level in '03. Ronnie DID show up off in 2000, and in 2001, but it wasn't till '03 that the mass at all costs mentality took over and our Mr. O became a big bloated bag of shit ever year thereafter.
If Flex had won, would it have been different? Probably not, imo. Flex put on 20lbs or so to compete with Ronnie for the 99 title. Things may have been a bit more aesthetic, but by how much we can't say. Because just like the "would of, could have, should have" mentality Flex displayed in ND's quote......Flex didn't win we will never know.
Unless you invented a time machine?
The problem Flex fans (such as myself) have in arguing whether or not he deserved an O is that we have very little tangible arguments to make.
Was Ronnie dryer? Yes. Was he thicker from the back? Yes Sharper from the back? Yes Bigger more defined legs? Yes.
However, Flex was so structurally superior that I don't believe Flex even had to be 100% to win.
Your argument that Ronnie did not play the size game until 2003 is plain wrong. Ronnie won because he had a better collection of individual body parts, better back, bigger legs, etc... Unfortunately bodybuilding is not merely who can get the best individual body parts but present the most complete, aesthetic package...which Flex could undoubtedly do in every contest he entered with little to no effort (which he undoubtedly put forth).
When Ronnie won the O, the judging criteria totally changed from Best overall package, lines and symmetry to best individual body parts
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How the hell did Flex wheeler lose in 1998.
Ronnie was drier, had better legs, thicker, and more defined from the back, etc., etc., etc.
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However, Flex was so structurally superior that I don't believe Flex even had to be 100% to win.
So, because genetically my body is better than Jay Cutlers, I should win the Mr. Olympia even because I'm not in the best condition? I'm also 100lbs lighter than he is, and I'm holding water worse than his lower back, but genetically I'm superior so rightfully I SHOULD win?
Is that what you're saying?
Your argument that Ronnie did not play the size game until 2003 is plain wrong. Ronnie won because he had a better collection of individual body parts, better back, bigger legs, etc... Unfortunately bodybuilding is not merely who can get the best individual body parts but present the most complete, aesthetic package...which Flex could undoubtedly do in every contest he entered with little to no effort (which he undoubtedly put forth).
How is having the best individual body parts (Ronnie, as you say) the same as having BIGGER body parts? (Again, Ronnie as you say-which negates the discourse, really)
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So, because genetically my body is better than Jay Cutlers, I should win the Mr. Olympia even because I'm not in the best condition? I'm also 100lbs lighter than he is, and I'm holding water worse than his lower back, but genetically I'm superior so rightfully I SHOULD win?
Is that what you're saying?
How is having the best individual body parts (Ronnie, as you say) the same as having BIGGER body parts? (Again, Ronnie as you say-which negates the discourse, really)
Well a significantly lighter Dexter Jackson should have won. So, yes that is what i'm saying
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On what basis? Conditioning...size...sh ape...dryness...posing ability...presentation.. .tan?
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Well a significantly lighter Dexter Jackson should have won. So, yes that is what i'm saying
Dexter destroyed everyone in the 2004 Olympia I think. Ronnie got too big and lost his waist and Jay was bigger but the condition wasn't on point.
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Ultimately, there is no answer to the question, "who is or was the best". Everybody has an opinion and you know what is said about opinions. I think that all things considered, in his time, Flex Wheeler had everything it takes to have been the best and may very well have been. At times he was, but was not rewarded for it. Who can deny that when he was on, he was remarkable.......even unbelievable. He may not have had that thick waisted massiveness of some, but his symetry and mass combined with his full muscle bellys and his small joints, and small waist, presented a physic that was truly amazing. No I am not gay or a Flex "guy", it's just my opinion.
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i've been saying this for ages now, i truley believe that flex should have won in 98, 99 and 2000 with ronnie in second, he looked better and more pleasing to the eye (more like a bber should).
then in 2001 jay cutler should have won NOT RONNIE, and he would have keept it in 2002, but lost it in 2003 (ronnie did look pretty good that year, massive with good conditioning.) He should have won it again in 2004 but lost it again to jay in 2005 and so on. If that happened ronnie would have only be left with 2 MR O's (which he rightfully deserved).
BUT YES FLEX SHOULD HAVE WON IN 98 FOR SURE
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Im the Biggest Flex Fan there is but his conditioning was his worst enemy,Even though MrO99 was Fexs best shape the juges thought it was a glutes and hams contest.
Perfect scores for Ronnie nearly had me punching the screen of my computer
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How the hell did Flex wheeler lose in 1998.
All the coleman nuthuggers can come back with he was drier, had better legs, thicker and more defined from the back etc. etc. etc.
But Flex just "looked better" way more symmetrical, waist looks like its 28 or 30", absolutely NO GUT, abs are insane and is just very pleasing to the eye.
Can't help but wonder if he'd won for the next 3 or 4 years if people like Dex, Vic would be getting the nod instead of that bloated mess of bulk with a 45+ inch waist that is our current Mr. O
Hi Flex
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Its stating facts , the fact is Flex Wheeler is a man who was very capable of beating Ronnie Coleman he did it eight times previously and the second quote is from Flex himself stating the obvious if he was in shape he would have been 1998 Mr Olympia but he's his own biggest enemy .
no he wasn't because the ronnie coleman that flex beat 8 times previously looked nothing like ronnie did in either 98 or 99 ::)
it wasn't close either contest. the scorecards in 98 on paper say they were close, but thats because ronnie was overlooked in the first round. hell, he wasn't even in the first callout, which was the first time anyone won the O. who was not called out first in many many years
this thread is stupid:
ND makes the mistake of only looking at quotes or the scorecard without actually looking at the competitors.
same thing he is doing in the truce thread. and he is losing there badly too for the same reasons.
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Im the Biggest Flex Fan there is but his conditioning was his worst enemy,Even though MrO99 was Fexs best shape the juges thought it was a glutes and hams contest.
Perfect scores for Ronnie nearly had me punching the screen of my computer
no, ronnie deserved perfect scores in 99 easily:
its was about a whole lot more than Glutes and Hams:
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ronnie owned everyone in both 98 and 99
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untouchable folks 8)
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Hulkster i had no problem Ronnie winning in 99 but perfect scores come on ???
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m8 and his content filled posts ::)
ND the troll worried about others content LOL
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Hulkster i had no problem Ronnie winning in 99 but perfect scores come on ???
Listen the far bigger question mark is this beating Wheeler with "perfect scores".
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Hulkster i had no problem Ronnie winning in 99 but perfect scores come on ???
what is the problem: Ronnie was so ripped in 99 from head to toe, even his calves were detailed enough to look good:
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about as dominating as you can get, hence the perfect score by all the judges: 8)
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Narcissistic and his quotes ::)
yeah, they never do match up to reality, do they? :-\
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How the hell did Flex wheeler lose in 1998.
All the coleman nuthuggers can come back with he was drier, had better legs, thicker and more defined from the back etc. etc. etc.
But Flex just "looked better" way more symmetrical, waist looks like its 28 or 30", absolutely NO GUT, abs are insane and is just very pleasing to the eye.
Can't help but wonder if he'd won for the next 3 or 4 years if people like Dex, Vic would be getting the nod instead of that bloated mess of bulk with a 45+ inch waist that is our current Mr. O
one day you will manage to let go of wheeler's nut sack and you will see how deluded you were.
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ronnie owned everyone in both 98 and 99
he had gyno on stage in 98.
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he had gyno on stage in 98.
flex had synthol everywhere.
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Dexter destroyed everyone in the 2004 Olympia I think. Ronnie got too big and lost his waist and Jay was bigger but the condition wasn't on point.
I also think Dexter should have won the 2004 Olympia
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ronnie 2004 was won of his worst years IMO.
he looked BAD at the prejudging, but lost a lot of water for the night show.
helped him a lot I think.
you couldn't even see his abs at the prejudging.,
but by the night show, his midsection tightened up noticably.
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about as dominating as you can get, hence the perfect score by all the judges: 8)
Then ergo, Dorian got perfect scores from all the judges in 5 of his 6 Olympias because he was as dominant as you can get. ;) After all, if this is the reason why the judges gave Ronnie perfect scores, then it is the reason why they gave Dorian perfect scores. Itgoes both ways.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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Then ergo, Dorian got perfect scores from all the judges in 5 of his 6 Olympias because he was as dominant as you can get. ;) After all, if this is the reason why the judges gave Ronnie perfect scores, then it is the reason why they gave Dorian perfect scores. Itgoes both ways.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
yeah, but dorian wasn't that dominating from the front at all...
so there goes your whole theory.
from the back, sure (except in 94/6 when shawn was razor sharp).
but turn dorian around, and well: :-\
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OMG...This is gona turn into another truce thread.
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(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=191773.0;attach=222704;image)
Ahah, look at Ronnie in the back... Who would have thought?
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Listen the far bigger question mark is this beating Wheeler with "perfect scores".
Wow thats ironic because Flex Wheeler didn't compete in 1994 ;)
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Wow thats ironic because Flex Wheeler didn't compete in 1994 ;)
is that the year of the ninja?
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ND the troll worried about others content LOL
stick to the topic troll.
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yeah, but dorian wasn't that dominating from the front at all...
so there goes your whole theory.
from the back, sure (except in 94/6 when shawn was razor sharp).
but turn dorian around, and well: :-\
Hulkster, my point is that you are claiming that Ronnie won with straight-firsts because he was that good, while Dorian won with straight-firsts due to politics. In othger words, you use an argument when it suits you but then you reject it when it doesen't. If the judges' judgement was fair when it comes to Ronnie, then it was fair when it comes to Dorian too. :)
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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is that the year of the ninja?
No he bailed out in 1997
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no he wasn't because the ronnie coleman that flex beat 8 times previously looked nothing like ronnie did in either 98 or 99 ::)
it wasn't close either contest. the scorecards in 98 on paper say they were close, but thats because ronnie was overlooked in the first round. hell, he wasn't even in the first callout, which was the first time anyone won the O. who was not called out first in many many years
this thread is stupid:
ND makes the mistake of only looking at quotes or the scorecard without actually looking at the competitors.
same thing he is doing in the truce thread. and he is losing there badly too for the same reasons.
Que Hulkster's tried rant that contradicts reality , keep telling yourself Ronnie dominated.
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flex had synthol everywhere.
Ronnie had it in his calves and bitch tits
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Hulkster, my point is that you are claiming that Ronnie won with straight-firsts because he was that good, while Dorian won with straight-firsts due to politics. In othger words, you use an argument when it suits you but then you reject it when it doesen't. If the judges' judgement was fair when it comes to Ronnie, then it was fair when it comes to Dorian too. :)
SUCKMYMUSCLE
Hulkster = Hypocrite old news.
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Que Hulkster's tried rant that contradicts reality , keep telling yourself Ronnie dominated.
::) yeah, sure it contradicts reality: ::)
ND, what everyone is trying to tell you by mocking your 'quotes;' is that if you would get your head out of the magazine for even a second, you might learn a whole fucking lot:
lol ronnie didn't dominate?
hahahaha
sure ND. ::)
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Ronnie had it in his calves and bitch tits
yeah, sure he did. ::)
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what is the problem: Ronnie was so ripped in 99 from head to toe, even his calves were detailed enough to look good:
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Hulkster, my point is that you are claiming that Ronnie won with straight-firsts because he was that good, while Dorian won with straight-firsts due to politics. In othger words, you use an argument when it suits you but then you reject it when it doesen't. If the judges' judgement was fair when it comes to Ronnie, then it was fair when it comes to Dorian too. :)
SUCKMYMUSCLE
but there is a 1500 page thread showing quite clearly that post tear dorian was NOT "that good" and Ronnie certainly was.
duh.
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yeah, sure he did. ::)
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but there is a 1500 page thread showing quite clearly that post tear dorian was NOT "that good" and Ronnie certainly was.
duh.
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Hulkster denying bodybuilding history once again ( yawn )
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wow. ND posts the same quote from Peter that is not only contradicted by Peter in another quote, it is completly proven wrong with hundreds of pics and both videos.
LOL
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no wonder everyone makes fun of ND and his 'quotes'
none of them match up to reality at all
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wow. ND posts the same quote from Peter that is not only contradicted by Peter in another quote, it is completly proven wrong with hundreds of pics and both videos.
LOL
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no wonder everyone makes fun of ND and his 'quotes'
none of them match up to reality at all
Reality would be at the show , Hulkster were you at the 1998 and 1999 Mr Olympia?
speak on this.
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Reality would be at the show , Hulkster were you at the 1998 and 1999 Mr Olympia?
speak on this.
what the fuck? ::)
ND, Peter has been quoted as saying that Ronnie was in better shape in 99 than in 98. Soi has Ronnie himself.
which quote do you believe?
answer: the one with all the fucking visual proof idiot. ::) ie 1999.
see for yourself moron >:(
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what the fuck? ::)
ND, Peter has been quoted as saying that Ronnie was in better shape in 99 than in 98. Soi has Ronnie himself.
which quote do you believe?
answer: the one with all the fucking visual proof idiot. ::) ie 1999.
Liar , plain & simple . stop making shit up
Hulkster stop avoiding the question were you at the 1998 and 1999 Mr Olympias?
speak on this.
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Liar , plain & simple . stop making shit up
Hulkster stop avoiding the question were you at the 1998 and 1999 Mr Olympias?
speak on this.
stop being so stupid ::).
Peter was at both and said ronnie was in better shape than in 98. so did Ronnie.
the quote is in the truce thread moron.
and besides, what don't you understand that if a quote can be easily proven wrong (eg. if Peter was quoted as saying at the 99 olympia Milos had better arms than Ronnie - would you believe him if there was all the evidence in the world to show he was wrong? apparently you would ::)) it is not accurate. no matter what the fucking quote said or who said it. ::)
think about this for a minute.
you are asking us to believe a quote that is not only contradicted by another quote from the same fucking person, its has no god damn visual support either ::):
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holy fuck you are so dumb its awesome. :-\
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Reality would be at the show , Hulkster were you at the 1998 and 1999 Mr Olympia?
speak on this.
Dorian looks like ass. Flex got owned.
Hope this helps
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Dorian looks like ass. Flex got owned.
Hope this helps
exactly.
but showing this to ND (which is god damn easy with all the pics and videos) is a lesson in futility because he is not smart enough to see any of this..
sorry. :-\
he just relies on his irrelevant, contradictory, and inaccurate quotes. :-\ without even looking at any visual evidence at all.. ::)
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exactly.
but showing this to ND (which is god damn easy with all the pics and videos) is a lesson in futility because he is not smart enough.
sorry. :-\
he just relies on his irrelevant, contradictory, and inaccurate quotes. :-\
Hulkster you're a liar about the quotes and stop avoiding my question were you in attendance at the 1998 and 1999 Mr Olympias , speak on this ;)
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Dorian looks like ass. Flex got owned.
Hope this helps
stop trolling , either add something to the thread or don't post.
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Hulkster you're a liar about the quotes and stop avoiding my question were you in attendance at the 1998 and 1999 Mr Olympias , speak on this ;)
no I wasn't. neither were you. ::)
but who the fuck cares idiot.
when you have dozens of shots, videos and quotes confirming that Ronnie was not only better than flex both years, but in better shape in 99 than in 98, what the fuck good is a quote that is contradicted by other quotes and clearly proven WRONG by all the visuals?
please explain moron ::).
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stop trolling , either add something to the thread or don't post.
thats not trolling moron.
that is simply commenting on what we all can see with our own eyes.
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stop being so stupid ::).
Peter was at both and said ronnie was in better shape than in 98. so did Ronnie.
the quote is in the truce thread moron.
and besides, what don't you understand that if a quote can be easily proven wrong (eg. if Peter was quoted as saying at the 99 olympia Milos had better arms than Ronnie - would you believe him if there was all the evidence in the world to show he was wrong? apparently you would ::)) it is not accurate. no matter what the fucking quote said or who said it. ::)
think about this for a minute.
you are asking us to believe a quote that is not only contradicted by another quote from the same fucking person, its has no god damn visual support either ::):
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holy fuck you are so dumb its awesome. :-\
Stop avoiding the question , did you attend the 1998 & 1999 Mr Olympias? and NO quotes contradict themselves you're a flat out liar .
Ronnie said his best Olympia appearance was 1998 specifically because his conditioning was spot on period end of sentence , he said this a couple of months ago on Pro Bodybuilding Weekly when reflecting on his professional career and this is right in line with Peter McGough's quote
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no I wasn't. neither were you. ::)
but who the fuck cares idiot.
when you have dozens of shots, videos and quotes confirming that Ronnie was not only better than flex both years, but in better shape in 99 than in 98, what the fuck good is a quote that is contradicted by other quotes and clearly proven WRONG by all the visuals?
please explain moron ::).
Oh you weren't there OKAY thanks for confirming that . ;)
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thats not trolling moron.
that is simply commenting on what we all can see with our own eyes.
He's as much as a troll as you are , stick to the topic at hand stop turning every thread into Dorian Vs Ronnie , in other words stop trolling. ;)
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I do not believe in perfect scores each BB has a weak point when compared to other Elite BBs
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Ronnie 1998 and 1999 couldn't hold a candle to this
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This is a work of art and Ronnie is well a finger painting compared to it
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stop trolling , either add something to the thread or don't post.
are you blind?
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This is a work of art and Ronnie is well a finger painting compared to it
Flex looks like what a bber should perfect everywhere, huge and still pleasing to the eye not a big pile of shit, ronnie was a great bber, but i would much rather have seen flex been number1
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Ronnie 1998 and 1999 couldn't hold a candle to this
He'd hold a torch to it
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He'd hold a torch to it
Yeah and that ' torch ' clearly highlighted his bitch tits
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Yeah and that ' torch ' clearly highlighted his bitch tits
Big flippin deal >:( compare their primes and Ronnie kills him >:(
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are you blind?
yes. ND doesn't look at the actual bodybuilders.
only quotes and scorecards.
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Big flippin deal >:( compare their primes and Ronnie kills him >:(
remember, you are dealing with ND who has no clue how to evaluate physiques..
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Ronnie 1998 and 1999 couldn't hold a candle to this
bull fucking shit ND ::)
look up from your god damn quotes for a minute:
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see that ND? your fucking quotes don't tell you shit about how badly Ronnie 99 is killing flex in your pics LOL
he would torch it is right!
ND has no clue. :-\
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Big flippin deal >:( compare their primes and Ronnie kills him >:(
Why because he is bigger?
I find it laughable that the same circular logic the coleman nuthuggers use to defend his wins based on "size" and "conditioning" is the same thing that the dorian camp use to defend his wins over a much better Levrone or Ray in 1994 and possibly 95.
Ronnie in his prime does not "kill" wheeler....not even close, you could argue he was better for the same reasons i posted (i.e. bigger thicker and more well defined back, quads and glutes) but in terms of symmetry, aesthetics, flow, and midsection Flex owns ronnie every day.
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remember, you are dealing with ND who has no clue how to evaluate physiques..
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Stop projecting your stupidity on me . you're the idiot who thinks Flex Wheeler beat Dorian Yates at the 1993 Mr Olympia and Lee Labrada has crappy abs and calves oh and while on the topic of calves you also claimed that Ronnie has more detail in his than Dorian Yates LMFAO what was that about evaluating physiques again?
yeah I thought so ;)
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bull fucking shit ND ::)
look up from your god damn quotes for a minute:
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Yeah I looked at all the pictures and Flex at his best ( like Dorian ) smokes Ronnie any day of the week , Flex is a work of art , Ronnie is a collection of parts .
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Let me preface by saying this is a ' Hulkster post ' even the front latspread Ronnie at his best gets smoked all day long , visual proof of Ronnie getting destroyed.
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Why because he is bigger?
I find it laughable that the same circular logic the coleman nuthuggers use to defend his wins based on "size" and "conditioning" is the same thing that the dorian camp use to defend his wins over a much better Levrone or Ray in 1994 and possibly 95.
Ronnie in his prime does not "kill" wheeler....not even close, you could argue he was better for the same reasons i posted (i.e. bigger thicker and more well defined back, quads and glutes) but in terms of symmetry, aesthetics, flow, and midsection Flex owns ronnie every day.
Yeah that's why Ronnies mantle has 8 Sandows and Flex has zero ::).
(http://www.ronniecoleman.net/comp986.jpg)
(http://www.ronniecoleman.net/comp987.jpg)
(http://www.ronniecoleman.net/comp981.jpg)
(http://www.ronniecoleman.net/comp985.jpg)
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King Coleman
(http://www.ronniecoleman.net/comp991.jpg)
(http://www.ronniecoleman.net/comp9919.jpg)
How this for visual proof of him losing in the spread?
(http://www.ronniecoleman.net/comp9917.jpg)
Coleman makes his legs look like toothpicks.
(http://www.ronniecoleman.net/comp992.jpg)
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King Coleman
(http://www.ronniecoleman.net/comp991.jpg)
(http://www.ronniecoleman.net/comp9919.jpg)
How this for visual proof of him losing in the spread?
(http://www.ronniecoleman.net/comp9917.jpg)
Coleman makes his legs look like toothpicks.
(http://www.ronniecoleman.net/comp992.jpg)
Is that Flex at his best? NO did Flex need a wider back to beat Ronnie eight times? NO any more straws you want to grasp at?
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(http://www.thebiguniverse.com/coleman/cap114.jpg)
(http://www.thebiguniverse.com/coleman/cap096.jpg)
(http://www.ronniecoleman.net/10days1155.jpg)
(http://www.ronniecoleman.net/10days24201-q16.jpg)
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Is that Flex at his best? NO did Flex need a wider back to beat Ronnie eight times? NO any more straws you want to grasp at?
you're getting too serious for my liking :-[
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Ronnie couldn't touch this and Flex wasn't even a pro yet
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Looks like complete garbage there , the heavier
Coleman became the worse he looked , same with Flex
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:o
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Shawn Ray Ronnie Coleman was the most improved bodybuilder , and they should have an award for that but it SHOULDN'T be the overall title. Ronnie Coleman won the Mr Olympia for making the most improvement.
Ronnie does NOT have the complete physique. He has a certain degree of shape and detail but , let's be honest , he has a lot of weaknesses : calves , hamstrings , midsection. He has flaws on his physique that you just can't find on my physique or Flex Wheeler's physique.
Did they even count the posing routine? Ronnie Coleman is never going to be remembered for a posing routine.
Shawn Ray didn't think Ronnie should have won in 1998
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Holy shit did this thread go awry....
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Holy shit did this thread go awry....
well, thats what happens when people don't look at the contest pics and footage and then try and make claims about physiques (ND)
Ronnie makes flex look smooth as always:
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bull fucking shit ND ::)
look up from your god damn quotes for a minute:
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notice how ND ignores the ownage of the supposedly superior pics of Flex he put up LOL ::)
nice work of art ND.
its a work of art that would (and did) place second to Ronnie at his best.
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see, if ND put down his sticky magazine full of incorrect quotes, he would learn so much more about bodybuilding.
like that an opinion is nothing if reality proves it wrong:
LOL
so much for your 'work of art' LOL
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from the 98 Olympia LOL
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ronnie gut was always huge, flex was awe inspiring, he won shows in the first 2 minutes of walking on stage, ronnie had to battle to win and still he wasn't the clear winner, flex looks like he put together by michelangelo and ronnie looks like he bought his parts from home depo and just stuck them on with no thought of symmetry
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yes, thats why ronnie is totally owning Flex in this thread.. ::)
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ronnie gut was always huge, flex was awe inspiring, he won shows in the first 2 minutes of walking on stage, ronnie had to battle to win and still he wasn't the clear winner, flex looks like he put together by michelangelo and ronnie looks like he bought his parts from home depo and just stuck them on with no thought of symmetry
You could make a case that Ronnie should have never won solely based on a GH gut and bitch tits , something Flex didn't have.
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see, if ND put down his sticky magazine full of incorrect quotes, he would learn so much more about bodybuilding.
like that an opinion is nothing if reality proves it wrong:
LOL
so much for your 'work of art' LOL
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from the 98 Olympia LOL
You ever notice you're always trying to rewrite bodybuilding history? according to Hulkster 1998 wasn't close , 19993 Dorian lost to Flex lmfao kid you're so full of nonsense . you can't change bodybuilding history kid 1998 Mr Olympia was a very close contest and Ronnie Coleman was a very lucky bodybuilder and thats a fact ! in fact it is still one of the closest Mr Olympia on record Ronnie won by just 3 points.
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well, thats what happens when people don't look at the contest pics and footage and then try and make claims about physiques (ND)
Ronnie makes flex look smooth as always:
NO thats what happens when the trolls ( you and pumpster ) see my name and the end of a thread , you're always looking for revenge for that ass kicking I gave you for 1600 pages on the truce thread ;)
and on the topic of looking at contest pics and making claims LMFAO you're the complete idiot who claim Dorian lost the 1993 Mr Olympia to Flex Wheeler ( after looking at pics and footage ) you also claimed Ronnie Coleman has better detail in his calves than Dorian ( after looking at pics ) you also claimed Lee Labrada had crappy abs and calves ( after looking at pics ) you also claimed Matt Mendenhall was blocky ( after looking at pics ) you claimed Dorian's conditioning was a myth ( after looking at pics ) you claimed Ronnie dominated Jay at the 2001 Mr Olympia despite losing the whole pre-judging ( how does one dominate by losing ? ) do I need to continue? ;) and you know what again?
again you're always trying to rewrite bodybuilding history , you're always contradicting reality. go learn about bodybuilding before you commit to another moronic statement , maybe if you're lucky I'll respond to you , but please go do your homework first.
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LOL Flex was owned by big Ron
Flex has very elegant and inspiring smooth esiclene shoulders and arms ::)
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Simple. Mass > Class :D
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LOL Flex was owned by big Ron
Flex has very elegant and inspiring smooth esiclene shoulders and arms ::)
Ronnie's calves are are injected as well I hope this helps.
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according to Hulkster 1998 wasn't close
no, according to everyone in the entire fucking bodybuilding community who has seen visuals of ronnie and flex at the contest, 1998 wasn't close:
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you obviously aren't reading this thread very closely..lol
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Ronnie's calves are are injected as well I hope this helps.
and your visual proof is?
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guess what genius: ronnie's calves always looked that small from the front.
so much for that "theory" LOL
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you are so ignorant its unbelievable.
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no, according to everyone in the entire fucking bodybuilding community who has seen visuals of ronnie and flex at the contest, 1998 wasn't close:
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you obviously aren't reading this thread very closely..lol
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98 wasn't close ::)