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was it "just there"? ::)
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The "Wizard of Waddy" can tell ya` !! :)
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It is probably Creatine based...I hear that it gives a good pump
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was it "just there"? ::)
All thes etheories about "big bang" my ass are bullshit.
It amazes me how some so called "genius" or "scientists" know what was going billions of years before they were born. ::)
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All thes etheories about "big bang" my ass are bullshit.
It amazes me how some so called "genius" or "scientists" know what was going billions of years before they were born. ::)
what do you think happened bro?
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God Farted
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what do you think happened bro?
If you believe in God, the one and only, its pretty obvious.......
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All thes etheories about "big bang" my ass are bullshit.
It amazes me how some so called "genius" or "scientists" know what was going billions of years before they were born. ::)
LOL. Your troll-fu is strong in this thread.
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God Farted
Thank you!
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All thes etheories about "big bang" my ass are bullshit.
It amazes me how some so called "genius" or "scientists" know what was going billions of years before they were born. ::)
Regarding evolution and creationism, the linkage is simple: since Biblical accounts of the genesis of our world and species are true but metaphorical, our task is to correctly decipher the metaphor in light of scientific evidence also given to us by God.
This God is probably a fair bit different than the God you believe you're following.
The beauty of Math is that you don't have to "see" or necessarily "understand" the facts that Math proposes.
2+2 is 4 whether you can see "4," and whether or not "4" was there billions of years ago.
We can trace the origins of the universe back through time until, essentially, the moment of the Big Bang. At that point, portions of the math falls apart. M-theory, a derivitive of String theory, helps explain some of this.
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was it "just there"? ::)
By definition, there is nothing outside of reality that is real enough to contain reality. So reality is self-contained. A self-contained medium must provide that which is necessary to its own existence. So if energy is necessary for the existence of reality, reality must find that energy within itself. Because matter consists of energy according to Einstein’s famous equation e=mc2, this applies to matter as well. That is, the universe, using its own energy, made its own matter.
How could it do this? By configuring itself in such a way that the matter it made would be “recognized” as such by other matter.
Difficult to comprehend, but this is a possible explanation.
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All thes etheories about "big bang" my ass are bullshit.
It amazes me how some so called "genius" or "scientists" know what was going billions of years before they were born. ::)
your ignorance shocks me. energy is neither created nor destroyed, this is a fact. hence matter has always existed, and more likely in the form of energy which can be converted to matter. no god needed. in fact your answer makes it way more complicated.
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All thes etheories about "big bang" my ass are bullshit.
It amazes me how some so called "genius" or "scientists" know what was going billions of years before they were born. ::)
just as silly as believing in a book written many years before you where born.
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I still call bullshit.
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By definition, there is nothing outside of reality that is real enough to contain reality. So reality is self-contained. A self-contained medium must provide that which is necessary to its own existence. So if energy is necessary for the existence of reality, reality must find that energy within itself. Because matter consists of energy according to Einstein’s famous equation e=mc2, this applies to matter as well. That is, the universe, using its own energy, made its own matter.
How could it do this? By configuring itself in such a way that the matter it made would be “recognized” as such by other matter.
Difficult to comprehend, but this is a possible explanation.
Have you looked at experiments done with subatomic particles?
What they have found is that a subatomic particle can behave as either a wave or a particle DEPENDING ON THE OBSERVER.
The more we learn, the more the evidence reveals that our existence is just a state of conscience.
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Have you looked at experiments done with subatomic particles?
What they have found is that a subatomic particle can behave as either a wave or a particle DEPENDING ON THE OBSERVER.
The more we learn, the more the evidence reveals that our existence is just a state of conscience.
Hmm this is interesting, any links?Maybe things like "The Secret" arnt such Bullshit after all, either that or we really are living in the Matrix.
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Have you looked at experiments done with subatomic particles?
What they have found is that a subatomic particle can behave as either a wave or a particle DEPENDING ON THE OBSERVER.
The more we learn, the more the evidence reveals that our existence is just a state of conscience.
Great great post bro. It's amazing what they are doing with these particles in particle colliders. They can actually collide these particles at the speed of light. Awsome. People really need to realize that are planet is the equivelent of a grain of sand in the vast universe. For petes' sake, the milky way is just one of billions of estimated galaxies out there. Kind of freaky!
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a subatomic particle can behave as either a wave or a particle DEPENDING ON THE OBSERVER.
The latest in quantum physics.
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Here is more on the state depending on observation, great stuff
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Why Am I Me?
Some thoughts on the origin and nature of consciousness
An essay in hypertext by Scott Bidstrup
Why am I me?
This is a question that almost everyone has asked as a child, but with all our modern technology and scientific insight, no one knows.
Science says the question is beyond its ability to answer, so it refuses to speculate.
Religion has attempted to answer it, but with conflicting, often demonstrably false theories, lacking in any credible evidence. But the question persists.
It is a haunting, nagging question, often asked early in childhood and occasionally throughout life, and asking for an answer that is never there, yet a question that is an important one, as it touches on the very nature of human consciousness.
For me personally, it was a challenge. I could not find an answer to that question, at least one that satisfied my desire for an answer to that question. So I kept turning in the only direction I could for an answer - to religion.
I once entered into an email dialog with a fellow who accused me of being a closet religionist, as I believed at the time in the genuineness of my reincarnation regression experiences. He felt, and I secretly have to agree, that I had to invoke religious explanations to come up with the explanations that I was seeking. Nothing else seemed to offer the answer I was looking for.
Well, I've since learned a lot about myself, about the hypnotic experiences that I had, and about the nature of the universe and of human consciousness itself. In particular, the insights of modern theoretical physics, and some of the explanations of the nature of the universe have had some bearing on my thinking. And so this essay is a distillation of the experiences and insights I've had.
In a strictly material sense, it may be true that the matter that makes up me could have made up a tree, or a lizard or a rock or anything else. But what we're talking about here is consciousness; in particular, the consciousness which is unique to me, and not shared by anyone else. The matter that makes up my body has little relevance to the fact of my consciousness. It doesn't do one bit about explaining why I am me in terms of my consciousness. It just explains the fact of the carrier of my consciousness, my physical body. The body should not be confused with the consciousness. It's like confusing a program running on a computer with the computer itself.
The personal distinction, which I experience as a personal consciousness, is quite independent of the matter that makes up my physical body, as when, for example, if a chunk of me is removed in surgery, I do not continue to experience what is happening to the removed chunk; it simply becomes a part of the world I experience and is no longer "me."
If that chunk includes living cells that are cloned into another complete, living, breathing, human being, that human being still isn't me, even though it had its beginnings in my body. It isn't me because it does not have my consciousness, as similar to mine though it may be/ It should be self evident that even if the chunk of me that is removed and 'grown' into another human body is a part of my brain, complete with my 'software' still running in it, it still isn't me because I don't experience what it (the new body) is experiencing. For it to be me, I would have to be conscious of and experiencing two lives at the same time, and I find that to be rather unlikely.
The question posed to science, then, is how does science explain the uniqueness of my personal experience of consciousness? Until very recently, there was no possible answer. But now there is, based on the insights of theoretical physics. My answer is a bit involved, but bear with me:
Modern physics implies "action at a distance," a result of the process of observation. For example, electrons and other subatomic particles exhibit the properties of both waves and particles, but not at the same time, because many of the wave properties are incompatible with the particle properties. So experiments can be devised which force a particle to behave as either a particle or a wave, depending on the expectations of the observer. It can even be shown that it behaves as both, until it is observed, at which time it takes on one set of properties or the other, and does so instantly. Schrodinger's "cat" is both "alive and dead" until you look in the box, at which time it becomes one or the other.
The act of observation of Schrodinger's cat is not a function of matter, it is a function of consciousness. This is a fact that is a demonstrable reality of science, and implies an inherent interconnectedness between the experimenter and the experiment. Einstein didn't like the idea (and fought tirelessly against it, in fact). He needn't have bothered. There's a purely rational explanation.
Another example: if a pair of subatomic particles are created in a particle collision, and one of that pair has a 'top' spin, the other must have a 'bottom' spin, since spin is a conserved quantum, and it can be mathematically demonstrated that all the spin of all the particles in the universe must add up to zero. It has been demonstrated that if you reverse the spin of one of the pair, the other 'knows' that it must reverse it's spin for the total spin to continue to add to zero -- and it's spin will indeed reverse. But how does it 'know'?
What science has recently concluded is that there is an infinite number of universes. Probabalistic events, such as Schrodinger's cat, mean that not just one, but two universes exist, one in which the cat is alive, and the other in which the cat is dead. The act of observing simply picks one of the universes. Every time a probabalistic event occurs, such as a coin toss, the universe splits in two, and there is then a heads universe and a tails universe. We proceed down, say, through the heads universe, and the tails universe becomes unknowable to us. We are unaware of its existence, but it exists nevertheless. All outcomes of all probabalistic events have led to independent universes.
But it gets even more complex than that.
The universes are not as we see a universe, but really are an infinite collection of frozen, eternal instances. These "multiverses" as the instances are called, are not at all as we experience the universe. It's like time is frozen and the contents of the multiverse are unchanging, like in a bad science fiction movie where time stands still. Each multiverse is a sort of "snapshot" as it were.
We experience time because each of these multiverses has a point of congruence with other multiverses. We progress from the experience of one multiverse to another in rapid succession, and the result is what we experience as the illusion of time, and a single thread of multiverse congruences is what we call our consciousness.
The Uniqueness of Individual Consciousness
I do not know your mind and you do not know mine because for some unknown reason, these threads of congruence cannot overlap. Each is unique.
Why am I me, then? It is simply because I am the only thread of congruences that is progressing through the multiverses that I am progressing through. It is really that simple. I am alone in that the thread of congruences I am experiencing is unique to me, and all the rest of you out there are all an illusion. As I am an illusion to you, since you are alone in the thread of congruences you are experiencing as consciousness.
My consciousness is born when points of congruence emerge, and my consciousness ends when the points of congruence no longer continue.
Why Haven't I heard more about this theory?
This theory is brand new, and hasn't been rigorously tested yet. It is proposed by Julian Barbour, a physicist and mathematician living in South Newington, Oxford, England. It is but one consequence of a grand theory of his, intended to unify and explain many of the heretofore irreconcilable theories of the universe with which physicists are working.
Physicists are tremendously excited about the theory, because as radical as it is, it offers the best hope yet at unifying quantum mechanics with Newtonian physics and relativity, as well as a means of unifying all the known forces of the universe into a single explanation.
This theory as to the nature of time and the experience of the universe is a radically new concept for physics. The only place where I know it has been discussed in an accessible manner is in the pages of the December, 2000 issue of Discover magazine (page 54)."
http://www.bidstrup.com/why.htm
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Hmm this is interesting, any links?Maybe things like "The Secret" arnt such Bullshit after all, either that or we really are living in the Matrix.
its the double slit experiment, observation dictates results, it converts probability into actuality.
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its the double slit experiment, observation dictates results, it converts probability into actuality.
So you can shape your future with your thoughts?An extreme example, but what I think the new theory is getting at,Negative thoughts will lead you to a shit life, positive to a life beyond your dreams?Or am I reading too much in to it?
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This is one of those questions with no answer and if you think about it to much you start going nutty.
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So you can shape your future with your thoughts?An extreme example, but what I think the new theory is getting at,Negative thoughts will lead you to a shit life, positive to a life beyond your dreams?Or am I reading too much in to it?
no we cannot control what reality we see, its the same for everyone based on obvious accounts. what is interesting is that when not observed matter acts as waves and creates an interference pattern but obsevation collapses the wave function into a particle or "spot" aka reality. we cant choose what we see and we cant change reality, that is a huge leap in logic and has no evidence. another cool thing is that anything moving at the speed of light is timeless or doesnt age, it also is everywhere and at no points(god maybe? :D). and the universe is mostly empty which is strange.
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The explanation of some higher power doing it isn't a good counter therory.
There maybe minor gaps in science, but those are being closed everyday as we speak. And there are bound to be gaps as our undestanding has enhanced so much within the last 50 years or so. It's always sort of fitted, as some of the thories have been proven to be fact. For example, Darwin's theory is not a theory anymore, as it's not only backed up by the fossil record, but also by general common sense. Characteristics and chance cause certain animals to reproduce, and within generations, changes take place. I have no idea how can someone even call this a 'theory' anymore. As for some other things within the universe, give it time.
mezo_z, your bearded man in the sky is a much bigger pile of shit than anything science can't explain. You should cease using technology if your put your faith in bullshit fairy tales from the Middle East. And if you just believe in the a god because you can't find an explanation, then you yourself are just inventing something.
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The explanation of some higher power doing it isn't a good counter therory.
There maybe minor gaps in science, but those are being closed everyday as we speak. And there are bound to be gaps as our undestanding has enhanced so much within the last 50 years or so. It's always sort of fitted, as some of the thories have been proven to be fact. For example, Darwin's theory is not a theory anymore, as it's not only backed up by the fossil record, but also by general common sense. Characteristics and chance cause certain animals to reproduce, and within generations, changes take place. I have no idea how can someone even call this a 'theory' anymore. As for some other things within the universe, give it time.
mezo_z, you're bearded man in the sky is a much bigger pile of shit than anything science can't explain. You should cease using technology if your put your faith in bullshit fairy tales from the Middle East. And if you just believe in the a god because you can't find an explanation, then you yourself are just inventing something.
Great post.
Religion that is not Gary Busey based = fake religion.
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very true camel, if it werent for science and evolution then why do people live such routine lives? if there was a god and he controlled everything why wouldn't we all just pray to him and ask for 22 in arms? We do things on a daily basis that we don't even think twice about and this is because science has aloud us to do this.
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no we cannot control what reality we see, its the same for everyone based on obvious accounts. what is interesting is that when not observed matter acts as waves and creates an interference pattern but obsevation collapses the wave function into a particle or "spot" aka reality. we cant choose what we see and we cant change reality, that is a huge leap in logic and has no evidence. another cool thing is that anything moving at the speed of light is timeless or doesnt age, it also is everywhere and at no points(god maybe? :D). and the universe is mostly empty which is strange.
So what happens when Matter isnt observed by naked eye but say on video camera, and not live?
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very true camel, if it werent for science and evolution then why do people live such routine lives? if there was a god and he controlled everything why wouldn't we all just pray to him and ask for 22 in arms? We do things on a daily basis that we don't even think twice about and this is because science has aloud us to do this.
But you see the fallacy that religious people have? They just make something up when you question them.. Like, "Oh god wouldn't just give you 22 arms and reveal himself as he's hidden, and that's what makes it faith." After this line of defense fails, they say that faith is such a thing that it cannot be questioned. hahaha
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Interesting questions for religious nut jobs:
What has contributed the most to the human condition? One religion (meaning: An organized religion with its scriptures, not the general "seek for meaning) or science (including all forms of science, from the simplest of mathematics and the simplest housing techniques, to the most advanced computational systems and large hadron colliders)
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agree 100%. Religion is the last hope for people that don't live a happy life, and religion is their last resort. For example racism aside where do you see more churchs in the deep south or in Beverly Hills?
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So you can shape your future with your thoughts?An extreme example, but what I think the new theory is getting at,Negative thoughts will lead you to a shit life, positive to a life beyond your dreams?Or am I reading too much in to it?
Yes it is true. Negative thoughts will manifest a negative reality. You cannot escape the negative though, because our universe is one of duality. Meaning you cannot have positive without a negative, or an up without a down. Our perception is based upon the contrast between the two, so you will always experience both in your life.
The principle to learn is that when you focus on the negative, or more specifically, the things that you don't want, you will get more of that in your life.
Studying metaphysics gives scientific proof that we are in essence all made out of "nothing" as when you accelerate subatomic particles and collide them into each other, you open the lid to observe and there is nothing there.
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This thread is just dying for TA to chime in...
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I love all the scientific geniuses who are so smart that they're spending their time posting on a bodybuilding website in the middle of the day. ::)
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that is because we have jobs that give us that luxury. maybe you should try one out.
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Anybody heard of the watchmaker argument? IN my phil. class, it was discussed and made "sense" for intelligent design:
basically- a wrist watch disassembled into all its components in a sandwhich bag- u can "shake up" the bag and all the components could possibly fit together perfectly after X amount of tries (random chance)Or, does it make more sense to be "intelligently designed" ? to me it does.. just my 2 cents
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who cares really? knowing will not solve anything. better to worry about current issues like skunk beer and pussy.
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who cares really? knowing will not solve anything. better to worry about current issues like skunk beer and pussy.
Actually, knowing the answer to a question does solve it.
As for skunk beer, I fuckin bought Beck's again. That damn green bottle, coupled with the fact that no one buys it is a recipe for disaster. By the time I get it the store light has permeated that damn green bottle enough to turn the beer to shit.
I'm sticking to seasonal beer for the next few weeks. And maybe some Killian's.
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boonstack
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Re: where did the original "matter" that caused big bang come from?
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Anybody heard of the watchmaker argument? IN my phil. class, it was discussed and made "sense" for intelligent design:
basically- a wrist watch disassembled into all its components in a sandwhich bag- u can "shake up" the bag and all the components could possibly fit together perfectly after X amount of tries (random chance)Or, does it make more sense to be "intelligently designed" ? to me it does.. just my 2 cents
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True enough kind of like a choosing 6 numbers in a lottery of 49 numbers, the possibility to hit 1,2,3,4,5,6 more than once out of 10,000 draws would be unlikely, but possible in every one of those 10,000 draws.
The only way I would bet on these numbers hitting 1,2,3,4,5,6 every time out of these 10,000 draws would be if designed to do so.
"Yes Virginia, There is a Santa Clause"
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Actually, knowing the answer to a question does solve it.
As for skunk beer, I fuckin bought Beck's again. That damn green bottle, coupled with the fact that no one buys it is a recipe for disaster. By the time I get it the store light has permeated that damn green bottle enough to turn the beer to shit.
I'm sticking to seasonal beer for the next few weeks. And maybe some Killian's.
budweiser man. Born on Date. Beer goes weird after 90 days and who knows how long imports sit at docks and distributors.
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budweiser man. Born on Date. Beer goes weird after 90 days and who knows how long imports sit at docks and distributors.
Canned Fosters and Hieniken = good stuff.
Milwaukee's best is like the greatest, totally better than any imported german or belgian premiun $5 a bottle stuff. ;D
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But really, I think the Samuel Adams varieties are the best mainstream(meaning you can buy it at some arab gas station) beer.
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was it "just there"? ::)
It always existed.
Matter can't be created or destroyed.
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Canned Fosters and Hieniken = good stuff.
Milwaukee's best is like the greatest, totally better than any imported german or belgian premiun $5 a bottle stuff. ;D
nectar of the gods. $7.50 a bottle in PA, $20 for a 1pt 9oz bottle. had one on sunday.
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The intellectual students must be on Christmas vacation from college because we have a philosophy thread on Getbig. The usual suspects have contributed already.
Darwin's theory is still a theory. Most scientific theories in the past centuries have been false. What is important is that there has been much progress in science and the technology based on scientific theories. We wouldn't have the internet and the digital domain if scientific theories were all false.
Some questions cannot be answered by science and most of these questions continue to be controversial. Since there is no test of truth for these unscientific questions it allows all manner of conjecture about what is right. For example, 'Why am I here?' is not a scientifc question.
Those who want to see a refutation of intelligent design arguments can read Richard Dawkins, "The God Delusion". A good read once you get past the first few chapters. Essentially, evolution is guided by natural selection which is not a random process but a definite physical one. There is no need for a higher power to account for life and the species on earth. The complex can evolve from the simple. It is not a mystery or an unusual event. Things happen slowly and given enough time quite complex phenomenon can evolve from simple origins. This also explains the variety of species.
The origin of the universe is still controversial. There are two camps. One believes in a steady state universe and the other believe in a Big Bang. The latter theory originated because of the red shift of distant galaxies. The more the red shift the further away the galaxies are. If you reverse engineer this expansion it seems as if all matter came from a singularity. This is not quite nothing but virtually so as it is a vanishingly small point that 'contained' all matter and energy. Some physicists have come up with an account of how everything could have originated from that point of almost nothingness. Seems to me this is close to being a religious explanation. The mind doesn't accept that something can come from nothing. Religious people have no trouble with that concept. Religion provides many answers but no explanations at all. The thinking person relies on science and then has to decide what to believe after that. I think there remains many unexplained things and that isn't so bad to accept.
http://richarddawkins.net/
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vince, calling evolution a "theory" is misleading, because scientific "theory" isn't the same as others. consider other theories we use regularly.
- gravitational theory
- atomic theory
- quantum theory
- plate tectonics
in order to be a theory, it must both explain the past and predict the future, which evolution has done. however, evolution has NOTHING to do with the origin of the universe, that's abiogenesis. so arguing against evolution as theory in a discussion of the origin of matter is pretty moot aside from the completely misrepresentative argument over the word "theory".
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The intellectual students must be on Christmas vacation from college because we have a philosophy thread on Getbig. The usual suspects have contributed already.
Darwin's theory is still a theory. Most scientific theories in the past centuries have been false. What is important is that there has been much progress in science and the technology based on scientific theories. We wouldn't have the internet and the digital domain if scientific theories were all false.
Some questions cannot be answered by science and most of these questions continue to be controversial. Since there is no test of truth for these unscientific questions it allows all manner of conjecture about what is right. For example, 'Why am I here?' is not a scientifc question.
Those who want to see a refutation of intelligent design arguments can read Richard Dawkins, "The God Delusion". A good read once you get past the first few chapters. Essentially, evolution is guided by natural selection which is not a random process but a definite physical one. There is no need for a higher power to account for life and the species on earth. The complex can evolve from the simple. It is not a mystery or an unusual event. Things happen slowly and given enough time quite complex phenomenon can evolve from simple origins. This also explains the variety of species.
The origin of the universe is still controversial. There are two camps. One believes in a steady state universe and the other believe in a Big Bang. The latter theory originated because of the red shift of distant galaxies. The more the red shift the further away the galaxies are. If you reverse engineer this expansion it seems as if all matter came from a singularity. This is not quite nothing but virtually so as it is a vanishingly small point that 'contained' all matter and energy. Some physicists have come up with an account of how everything could have originated from that point of almost nothingness. Seems to me this is close to being a religious explanation. The mind doesn't accept that something can come from nothing. Religious people have no trouble with that concept. Religion provides many answers but no explanations at all. The thinking person relies on science and then has to decide what to believe after that. I think there remains many unexplained things and that isn't so bad to accept.
http://richarddawkins.net/
Evolution is highly overrated.
Mutation is much more important. Change is quick, not gradual.
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I am a student of the philosophy of science. Karl Popper wrote about the possible refutation of all scientific theories. There might arise something in the future that refutes accepted theories. Therefore, all scientific theories are refutable. That some theories are not challenged does not mean they are free from possible future refutations.
One theory that isn't challenged anymore is the explanation of colour play in opal. The electron microscope solved this puzzle back in the mid 1950s when it showed regular arrays of certain sized silica spheres. If those spheres were large you had red and all the colours of the rainbow. If those spheres were small you had green and blue. No one has questioned this explanation since.
Evolution has been challenged but not so much by scientists who continue to find supporting evidence for it. That doesn't mean that it can't be refuted. That you or anyone else considers some theories established fact doesn't mean they cannot be refuted. I think if we have technology that works based on accepted theories that is good for the truth of those theories. What has happened in scientific research is that more questions arise as more is learned. Surely there will be a limit to what can be discovered but at the moment there is still a lot left to be discovered and explained. We still don't have all the answers as far as muscles go, although there has been a heap of studies done at the molecular level. Most muscleheads still debate how to make big muscles even bigger. Unfortunately, the drugs play a part and theories of hypertrophy have been abandoned which is a real pity.
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I am a student of the philosophy of science. Karl Popper wrote about the possible refutation of all scientific theories. There might arise something in the future that refutes accepted theories. Therefore, all scientific theories are refutable. That some theories are not challenged does not mean they are free from possible future refutations.
One theory that isn't challenged anymore is the explanation of colour play in opal. The electron microscope solved this puzzle back in the mid 1950s when it showed regular arrays of certain sized silica spheres. If those spheres were large you had red and all the colours of the rainbow. If those spheres were small you had green and blue. No one has questioned this explanation since.
Evolution has been challenged but not so much by scientists who continue to find supporting evidence for it. That doesn't mean that it can't be refuted. That you or anyone else considers some theories established fact doesn't mean they cannot be refuted. I think if we have technology that works based on accepted theories that is good for the truth of those theories. What has happened in scientific research is that more questions arise as more is learned. Surely there will be a limit to what can be discovered but at the moment there is still a lot left to be discovered and explained. We still don't have all the answers as far as muscles go, although there has been a heap of studies done at the molecular level. Most muscleheads still debate how to make big muscles even bigger. Unfortunately, the drugs play a part and theories of hypertrophy have been abandoned which is a real pity.
If evolution played such an important role in human development,
why haven't the great apes evolved with us?
It's because the change from apes to modern humans was a mutation or genetic manipulation(possible interference by e.t.s?) amongst some population of apes.
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If evolution played such an important role in human development,
why haven't the great apes evolved with us?
It's because the change from apes to modern humans was a mutation or sudden change(possible interference by ets?) amongst some genetic cluster of apes.
Stick to cutting yourself, ok? ::)
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the flying spaghetti monster did it...... he's as real as any other god, no proof, no science, nothing... fit perfectly!!!
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God clearly creates a new species of bacteria from scratch each time there is a "resistance" to antibiotics.
Each new minor change in susceptibility to antibiotics effect's is a perfect little intelligent design.
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Whatever you say Donkey Kong. ::)
I've just destroyed the argument for evolution being the main factor in human development.
...........there was some manipulation of our genes by extra terrestrials.
really, are you talking about the green little thing?
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Whatever you say Donkey Kong. ::)
I've just destroyed the argument for evolution being the main factor in human development.
Both apes and humans share a common ancestor; both "evolved" in the same environment in Africa.
Yet, for some reason, some of these apes underwent radical change and developed into modern humans...
What does that tell you?
A population either mutated, or...
there was some manipulation of our genes by extra terrestrials.
Differentiate mutation from evolution for me. Specifically how a mutation of an organism varies from the evolution of an organism.
If you could ultimately give me the difference in DNA structure each would create, I would appreciate it.
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was it "just there"? ::)
No...but "god" who created the big bang was "just there". ::)
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No...but "god" who created the big bang was "just there". ::)
Hi Stephen Hawking.
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and who created god........ where was he before it....... and before that
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The theory of evolution doesn't need any sky cranes. So, God and extraterrestrials are not required to account for all species. To reverse engineer all that happened in the past is probably not achievable. However, the definite process and relationship of species is well known and not disputed. In the past the staunchest critics of evolution eventually became supporters. Modern genome science is confirming Darwin's theory which is quite amazing. Darwin was essentially right when he conjectured about life about 150 years ago. Most of science has supported his theory. It is a curiosity that the Intelligent Design theory has gained support in recent years. However, it is not a scientific theory but a religious one because there is no test for its truth. The forces behind ID are also responsible for censoring Jerry Springer Shows. Heck, isn't it about time we heard what everyone was saying and viewed the gals who want their Jerry beads?
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Hi Stephen Hawking.
LOL!!!!!
I spent so much time on the IIDB boards in 2004, that coming on here and debating with people who aren't specialized in philosophy is not difficult. There are smart people on getbig, but the people on the IIDB board are almost all intellectual heavyweights:
http://www.iidb.org/vbb/index.php
I got owned many times on that board.
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who cares? at the end of the day what the fuck does it matter? we are here, thats all that matters. believe in whatever you want to, it makes no difference does it?
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Let me tell you all about the Wieder theory of progressive resistance, Old Man Weider not only invented Bodybuilding which we all know didn't exist before him, but he also created existance. You see if Weider picks up a subatomic particle every day, as the particle attracts more matter it's mass will continue to grow until it's a full grown cow or something. And thats how he created everything. ;D
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Thanks, Matt, for the link to the internet infidels discussion board. I feel at home there! Gotta love anyone hanging around Getbig. Eventually everyone will be thick as a brick here!
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LOL!!!!!
I spent so much time on the IIDB boards in 2004, that coming on here and debating with people who aren't specialized in philosophy is not difficult. There are smart people on getbig, but the people on the IIDB board are almost all intellectual heavyweights:
http://www.iidb.org/vbb/index.php
I got owned many times on that board.
Hi Linus Pauling.
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Thanks, Matt, for the link to the internet infidels discussion board. I feel at home there! Gotta love anyone hanging around Getbig. Eventually everyone will be thick as a brick here!
No doubt people on getbig are generally smarter at certain things than the IIDB folks, but when it comes to topics of philosophy, they are experts. A lot of my critical thinking skills were developed in 2004-2005 thanks to that board.
Hi Linus Pauling.
LOL!!!!!
PS:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-9050474362583451279
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Can anyone tell me what it is that causes only Americans to believe these bullshit religious pseudoscientific bunkum "theories"?
First we had literal Creationism... that was too easily dismissed so the Evangelical answer to evolution itself had to evolve into this equally invalid Intelligent Design bullshit... why not allow the theory to evolve further into actual evolutionary theory?
What's wrong with the American education system?
As it stands today the United States is the only zealously religious country in the developed world... here in Europe Atheists are actually in the majority.
In fact, there is a direct correlation between the preponderance of Atheists in a society and the standard of living... all the best developed countries in the world are predominantly atheist.
The Luke
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luke,
the theory is that it has to do with america being a secular nation from its inception. so the idea goes, because europe started out as fiercely theocratic, the population saw all that was wrong with having religion rule the lawbooks. thus we had the enlightenment and the people moved away from "god in the government".
america was a byproduct of that, and as such was secular from the get-go. because of that, the people have slowly become more and more religious. think about our first handful of presidents and then realize that bush said he was appointed by god, and that god told him to invade iraq.
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luke,
the theory is that it has to do with america being a secular nation from its inception. so the idea goes, because europe started out as fiercely theocratic, the population saw all that was wrong with having religion rule the lawbooks. thus we had the enlightenment and the people moved away from "god in the government".
america was a byproduct of that, and as such was secular from the get-go. because of that, the people have slowly become more and more religious. think about our first handful of presidents and then realize that bush said he was appointed by god, and that god told him to invade iraq.
So true. It's shame that religion is thought of as a freedom, which it really isn't. Thinking of religion as a freedom has allowed people to abuse it in the US. I mean it's come to dictate stances on abortion and other issues, which it really has no business doing.
I know this is unrelated, but are you barking mad for spending so much on that beer. :o
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Can anyone tell me what it is that causes only Americans to believe these bullshit religious pseudoscientific bunkum "theories"?
First we had literal Creationism... that was too easily dismissed so the Evangelical answer to evolution itself had to evolve into this equally invalid Intelligent Design bullshit... why not allow the theory to evolve further into actual evolutionary theory?
What's wrong with the American education system?
As it stands today the United States is the only zealously religious country in the developed world... here in Europe Atheists are actually in the majority.
In fact, there is a direct correlation between the preponderance of Atheists in a society and the standard of living... all the best developed countries in the world are predominantly atheist.
The Luke
you infantile,,europe would be nothing with out the help of the united states of america,,you would be rule d by hitler with out usa and ussr help,,europe let hitler raise from within so europe will never be super power no matter how many countries will get together and how strong the coin will be,,YOU LET HITLER COME AMONG YOU THUS LOST ANY CREDABILITY IN THE FAIUTH OF MAIN KIND FOR 1000S OF YEARS TO COME,,
now the usa is also many infantiles you see and hear around but the usa and ussr saved europe ass and usa done it with RELGION FAITH in addition to the death of 10s of 1000s of their best young men in order TO SAVE YOUR EUROPIAN ASS THAT WAS HIDING IN CAVES,,those american soldiers died for your freedom you DUMB INFANTILE they never got kids or wifes and if they had those kids stayed with no dad and their life ruined ,,,so what if they like to believe in god?? anyone can belive in anything they want,,GOD IS SOMETHING ABSOLUT,,you dont ask or chellenging it for its a matter of belief and final destination aka you and god and only you and god,,you die you face god byyourself,,its god you come for and its always by youself ,,not with your wife not with you children not with nada,,it is YOU AND GOD who ever that matter is,,
now i agree there are people who take relegion way too seriously but in generasl YOU ARE ALL JEWS,,WE ALL DEVELPPED DIFF STYLE OF FAITHS AND PRACTICES AND JESUS THE JEW! DID WHAT HE DID BUT EVEN HE WAS FORGIVEN BY THE JEWS BECAUSE HE WS......YOU GUESSED IT RIGHT A FUCKIN JEW!,,YOU ALL ARE JEWS ,,WE ARE ALL JEWS THATS WHY THE JEWISH PEOPLE OF ISRAEL CONTROL EVERYTHING BECAUSE WE ARE ALL JEWS,,THE ONES WHO TRIED TO DESTROY THE JEWS FACED USA AND USSR WHICH ARE ALSO JEWS,,ITS ALL STARTED WITH THE JEWS AND YOU ARE ALL THEIR ANCESTORS,,
THE ONLY ONES WHO ARE NOT JEWS ARE ARABS AND MUSLIMS BUT EVEN THEY ARE HALF JEWS SO THEY ARE ALSO IN A WAY JEWS CAUSINS THAT CANT FACE IT,,
IT ALL STARTED WITH ONE BIG BLAST OF MATERIAL AND OUR GALAXY CREATED IN MILLIONS OF YEARS,,SLOWLY AND SAFELY ,,LIKE MANY OTHER GALAXIES AND MANY OTHER PLANETS WITH LIFE WEHTER YOU KNOW IT OR NOT WETHER ITS YOU WAY OF LIFE OR NOT WETHERE YOU CAN SEE IT OR NOT,,
OUR PLANET IN ITS CORE IS MADE OUT OF ONE SINGLE RELEGION DEVIDED INTO MANY DIFF BELIFS,,THIS RELEGION IS
J E W I S H
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Being able to understand complexity = wonderful.
Being able to fuck 10 hookers a week = wonderful.
Since both of these wonderfuls have a systematic effect on every area of your life due to an increase in self confidence and so on, it is safe to assume that understanding complexity and fucking hookers each week will fill up your wonderfuls:
Wonderful * Wonderful = Wonderful ^2
Then add total surrender to Gary Busey:
Wonderful ^(infinite sign)
-> Debussey just cracked the best strategy in the game of life for you all. Stop wasting time, and Do what Debussey say.
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you infantile,,europe would be nothing with out the help of the united states of america,,you would be rule d by hitler with out usa and ussr help,,europe let hitler raise from within so europe will never be super power no matter how many countries will get together and how strong the coin will be,,YOU LET HITLER COME AMONG YOU THUS LOST ANY CREDABILITY IN THE FAIUTH OF MAIN KIND FOR 1000S OF YEARS TO COME,,
now the usa is also many infantiles you see and hear around but the usa and ussr saved europe ass and usa done it with RELGION FAITH in addition to the death of 10s of 1000s of their best young men in order TO SAVE YOUR EUROPIAN ASS THAT WAS HIDING IN CAVES,,those american soldiers died for your freedom you DUMB INFANTILE they never got kids or wifes and if they had those kids stayed with no dad and their life ruined ,,,so what if they like to believe in god?? anyone can belive in anything they want,,GOD IS SOMETHING ABSOLUT,,you dont ask or chellenging it for its a matter of belief and final destination aka you and god and only you and god,,you die you face god byyourself,,its god you come for and its always by youself ,,not with your wife not with you children not with nada,,it is YOU AND GOD who ever that matter is,,
now i agree there are people who take relegion way too seriously but in generasl YOU ARE ALL JEWS,,WE ALL DEVELPPED DIFF STYLE OF FAITHS AND PRACTICES AND JESUS THE JEW! DID WHAT HE DID BUT EVEN HE WAS FORGIVEN BY THE JEWS BECAUSE HE WS......YOU GUESSED IT RIGHT A FUCKIN JEW!,,YOU ALL ARE JEWS ,,WE ARE ALL JEWS THATS WHY THE JEWISH PEOPLE OF ISRAEL CONTROL EVERYTHING BECAUSE WE ARE ALL JEWS,,THE ONES WHO TRIED TO DESTROY THE JEWS FACED USA AND USSR WHICH ARE ALSO JEWS,,ITS ALL STARTED WITH THE JEWS AND YOU ARE ALL THEIR ANCESTORS,,
THE ONLY ONES WHO ARE NOT JEWS ARE ARABS AND MUSLIMS BUT EVEN THEY ARE HALF JEWS SO THEY ARE ALSO IN A WAY JEWS CAUSINS THAT CANT FACE IT,,
IT ALL STARTED WITH ONE BIG BLAST OF MATERIAL AND OUR GALAXY CREATED IN MILLIONS OF YEARS,,SLOWLY AND SAFELY ,,LIKE MANY OTHER GALAXIES AND MANY OTHER PLANETS WITH LIFE WEHTER YOU KNOW IT OR NOT WETHER ITS YOU WAY OF LIFE OR NOT WETHERE YOU CAN SEE IT OR NOT,,
OUR PLANET IN ITS CORE IS MADE OUT OF ONE SINGLE RELEGION DEVIDED INTO MANY DIFF BELIFS,,THIS RELEGION IS
J E W I S H
What did Jew say? ;D
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There was an article in Scientific American in the 80s which said that quantum theory predicts an infinitesimally small chance that matter can spontaneously blink into or out of existence. If you accept that time was precedent to the existence of the universe, then that infinite span of time makes the spontaneous appearance of a big bang particle an inevitability.
You can argue it up & down, left & right, but it has a strange charm (a little quark humor there... :D).
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matter comes fromlight ...the purest light is also the highest form of vibration....the big bang as u call it was not an explosin...it's dificult to explain how what u call universe was created because it'sa re;lative matter. Meaning it's a matter of perception. Why it'sdifficultto explain ?...because we are not wired yet to understand...it's like trying to explain to your pet how to fill a w2 ....understand ?..."I cannnot explain to u how to make chicken soup when u don't know what chicken is...." ;)
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There was an article in Scientific American in the 80s which said that quantum theory predicts an infinitesimally small chance that matter can spontaneously blink into or out of existence. If you accept that time was precedent to the existence of the universe, then that infinite span of time makes the spontaneous appearance of a big bang particle an inevitability.
You can argue it up & down, left & right, but it has a strange charm (a little quark humor there... :D).
How can time be precedent? Time does not exist, it is an illusion based off of mans perception of reality.
Does a baby keep track of time when it is in the womb? Does it matter?
I believe that the root is conscious, and through that all things are created.
Those that study Emerson, and more modern guys such as Dyre, and Chopra understand that we are all connected and everything that we percieve as our reality is made from the same "stuff"
You cannot hate another man without hating yourself. The human "ego" is what creates this illusion of "me" and "the rest of the world" when it is really all the same, it is all connected. Those that use manifestation in their lifes have experience enough first hand "proof" to validate this theory.
I do not believe that there is "god" and "man" We are one in the same, made in the image of the creator, as the bible says a child of god. To curse god is to curse yourself.
When you have a dream, is it real? What is all the "stuff" in your dream made from? It disappears from existence when you wake up and only exists as a memory in your mind (original substance).
Dreams are just one stage of conscious. What we percieve as our lives is another stage of conscious. Talk to the many people that have had a near death experience and they all say the same thing. Their entire life flashed before them as a fraction of a moment in time, as if it were just a dream.
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This thread = in desperate need of some equations from physics.
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How can time be precedent? Time does not exist, it is an illusion based off of mans perception of reality.
Does a baby keep track of time when it is in the womb? Does it matter?
I believe that the root is conscious, and through that all things are created.
I would define time (and space) as the noumena without which phenomena cannot exist, like the canvas without which the painting cannot exist.
A big bang (or any occurrence) presupposes the existence of time and space. If we say that the big bang "occurred" then that implies a time before and after the "bang." Any succession of events cannot occur outside of a timeline, so the existence of the events in succession indicates that time itself is preexistent to those events, like the canvas to the painting.
I will not agree or disagree with your position on consciousness, but it doesn't address the question of the thread title and I don't want to get side tracked. I'm sure you'll accept that we have to acknowledge an objective reality in order to have any meaningful discussion, or else things will simply spiral down to our own subjective bubbles where any discussion is pointless since everything we behold cannot be proven to be anything other than a dream or a hallucination.
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you infantile,,europe would be nothing with out the help of the united states of america,,you would be rule d by hitler with out usa and ussr help,,europe let hitler raise from within so europe will never be super power no matter how many countries will get together and how strong the coin will be,,YOU LET HITLER COME AMONG YOU THUS LOST ANY CREDABILITY IN THE FAIUTH OF MAIN KIND FOR 1000S OF YEARS TO COME,,
now the usa is also many infantiles you see and hear around but the usa and ussr saved europe ass and usa done it with RELGION FAITH in addition to the death of 10s of 1000s of their best young men in order TO SAVE YOUR EUROPIAN ASS THAT WAS HIDING IN CAVES,,those american soldiers died for your freedom you DUMB INFANTILE they never got kids or wifes and if they had those kids stayed with no dad and their life ruined ,,,so what if they like to believe in god?? anyone can belive in anything they want,,GOD IS SOMETHING ABSOLUT,,you dont ask or chellenging it for its a matter of belief and final destination aka you and god and only you and god,,you die you face god byyourself,,its god you come for and its always by youself ,,not with your wife not with you children not with nada,,it is YOU AND GOD who ever that matter is,,
now i agree there are people who take relegion way too seriously but in generasl YOU ARE ALL JEWS,,WE ALL DEVELPPED DIFF STYLE OF FAITHS AND PRACTICES AND JESUS THE JEW! DID WHAT HE DID BUT EVEN HE WAS FORGIVEN BY THE JEWS BECAUSE HE WS......YOU GUESSED IT RIGHT A FUCKIN JEW!,,YOU ALL ARE JEWS ,,WE ARE ALL JEWS THATS WHY THE JEWISH PEOPLE OF ISRAEL CONTROL EVERYTHING BECAUSE WE ARE ALL JEWS,,THE ONES WHO TRIED TO DESTROY THE JEWS FACED USA AND USSR WHICH ARE ALSO JEWS,,ITS ALL STARTED WITH THE JEWS AND YOU ARE ALL THEIR ANCESTORS,,
THE ONLY ONES WHO ARE NOT JEWS ARE ARABS AND MUSLIMS BUT EVEN THEY ARE HALF JEWS SO THEY ARE ALSO IN A WAY JEWS CAUSINS THAT CANT FACE IT,,
IT ALL STARTED WITH ONE BIG BLAST OF MATERIAL AND OUR GALAXY CREATED IN MILLIONS OF YEARS,,SLOWLY AND SAFELY ,,LIKE MANY OTHER GALAXIES AND MANY OTHER PLANETS WITH LIFE WEHTER YOU KNOW IT OR NOT WETHER ITS YOU WAY OF LIFE OR NOT WETHERE YOU CAN SEE IT OR NOT,,
OUR PLANET IN ITS CORE IS MADE OUT OF ONE SINGLE RELEGION DEVIDED INTO MANY DIFF BELIFS,,THIS RELEGION IS
J E W I S H
...translation:
I hate Luke because he posted on my thread wherein I was pontificating my belief that aliens built the Giza pyramids (seriously) with the proper scientific explanation of how the Giza pyramids were constructed using a rudimentary form of concrete... Luke then posted links to the evidence for this concrete theory including video links to documentaries showing this construction method... now I have to chase Luke all over the boards and counter any sensible thing he says with my moronic uneducated ramblings.
The Luke
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It always existed.
Matter can't be created or destroyed.
tell this to the gooks who got nuked at hiroshima .
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...translation:
I hate Luke because he posted on my thread wherein I was pontificating my belief that aliens built the Giza pyramids (seriously) with the proper scientific explanation of how the Giza pyramids were constructed using a rudimentary form of concrete... Luke then posted links to the evidence for this concrete theory including video links to documentaries showing this construction method... now I have to chase Luke all over the boards and counter any sensible thing he says with my moronic uneducated ramblings.
The Luke
the luke,,the 100 pafe posts about aliens was a debate won if you can consider this thing winning,,,by gh15 ,,reason you know you win an argument is when you have a followup of 100 pms about this subject,,so enough said about this,,you proved nothing but the facts you are a drug user on a bodybuilding board that is on that bodybuilding board 24/7 and most likley age 20-30 or slightly above 30 like the average steroid user around the world,,if you do live in europe then you make us europians look stupid
reason i chose to ignore you is because sound like a fake id account like the adnois you like to talk about,,its all fake and high language yet no substance in any post you say not about hormones and not about aliens ,,if and when you educate gh15 ...gh15 will let you know you did but you simply demonstrate one minded narrow thinking and lack the capability to do anything about it its in your blood and genes
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The theory of evolution doesn't need any sky cranes. What does this mean!?So, God and extraterrestrials are not required to account for all species.Again. And does not follow. To reverse engineer all that happened in the past is probably not achievable. However, the definite process and relationship of species is well known and not disputed.OK? Are you are channeling Daddy Waddy, here In the past the staunchest critics of evolution eventually became supporters. Hmm. Are you thinking of TH Huxley here and his support of Darwin? Let's not forget Darwin, an already religious man, became even more so towards the end of his life (after publishing all his 'controversial' books) and this was refelected in his subsequent research. I think his last treatise was on earthworms!? Modern genome science is confirming Darwin's theory which is quite amazing. I think the word you are looking for is corroborating. Darwin was essentially right when he conjectured about life about 150 years ago.[makes no sense] Most of science has supported his theory.[careful!] It is a curiosity that the Intelligent Design theory has gained support in recent years. [Not really. It is allied quite closely with political agenda and evangelical zeal]However, it is not a scientific theory but a religious one because there is no test for its truth.['What is truth?' as someone once said. Again, be careful!] The forces behind ID are also responsible for censoring Jerry Springer Shows.[Really? Maybe it is intelligence! Correlation is not causation. You know that ] Heck, isn't it about time we heard what everyone was saying and viewed the gals who want their Jerry beads?[Humour?]
I've graded this a solid 'd,' Vince. Where are our Sydney summer photos?
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Why am I not surprised that more than one member on Getbig believes they can explain the universe?
For the record - I think Nasser did it.
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Why am I not surprised that more than one member on Getbig believes they can explain the universe?
For the record - I think Nasser did it.
Well, we now have two believers!
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gh15 is about the gheyest gimmick ive ever seen.
STFU already, nobody believes your bullshit, 4 jaggoffs sharing an account but daddywaddy blew it with his alien talk. hahahahaha
its just another example of special ed not being funny.
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gh15 is about the gheyest gimmick ive ever seen.
STFU already, nobody believes your bullshit, 4 jaggoffs sharing an account but daddywaddy blew it with his alien talk. hahahahaha
its just another example of special ed not being funny.
Sirtraps,
I know it's daddywaddy blathering on about the alien bullshit (or more precisely regurgitating the ramblings of Zacharia Sitchin), but who are the other two?
1- Special Ed
2- daddywaddy and the aliens from planet Nibiru
3- ?
4- ?
The Luke
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I'd say Blochead with the gear advice x 10.
Can't think of the 4th person. Probably someone we'd never suspect.
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Receiving 100 PMs does not mean you are correct in a debate. It may indicate that many agree with you and nothing more.
Yes, it is summer in Sydney and I should be posting more beach photos. Will do that when I get to Bondi, Coogee or Manly beaches where the topless tourists hang out. The locals cover up because of skin cancer fears. A pity.
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Set up a web cam at The Gap Vince!!!!
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This thread = in desperate need of some equations from physics.
...I have a degree in experimental physics and this thread is making my skin crawl.
How can people be so sure of their misinformed opinions when they are simultaneously aware that the best minds in the world think otherwise?...
If anyone has any properly formulated questions they'd like to ask I'll gladly attempt to answer them.
The Luke
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friends you all need to relax ,,gh15 is not a fake id and has nothing to do with the bunch of people you mentioned,,you cant just say gh15 is them because they may get in deep water and trouble ,,please avoid blaming others for being gh15 especially ones on us grounds,,you need to stop it because your identity is most likley can be found by those people and they can serioulsy sue you for defomation since they have really nothing to do with anything,,
gh15 is an obvious one person ,,one writer ,,extermely smart person,,gh15 knows hormones way too well inorder to be joe shmoe,,gh15 knows details about the most sensetive issues in the industry that no fake id kid on getbig would know otherwize,,gh15 is either a goverment agent or a ifbb professional and you can take your guess about this until the end of days,,
any in the know dont argue weder gh15 is fake id what they argue about is their dinner plate for gh15 can make you or break you,,gh15 is simply gh15 an entity on getbig and although begs andc rys will stay on getbig and only on getbig because gh15 has no need or wanting to go to profesional muscle mahem and elitefitness where they beg him to have free hand in writing whatever he wants as long as he/she come on board,,
gh15 is an enigma and thats the worst thing a criminal such as palumbo velentino and the such can have in thier surrounding,,,and the best thing serious bodybuilders can hve in their surroundings,,
gh15 doesnt hold no bars,,gh15 already proved to call one a criminal and at the same pat him/her on the back for having good physiqe,,gh15 dont kiss ass gh15 dont say nice thing ds for just the saying ,,gh15 dont care wether it hurts the person or not,,gh15 maintain a decent level of respect but will tell it as it is everytime anytime anyplace ,,inaddition gh15 still havent profited from the name gh15 and the offers keep coming and every one is being declined by not answering it ,,that tells you gh15 is also honest and not up for quick $ which in the total conclusion make gh15 absolut and undetectable and thats how it was meant to be from day one my friends
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friends you all need to relax ,,gh15 is not a fake id and has nothing to do with the bunch of people you mentioned,,you cant just say gh15 is them because they may get in deep water and trouble ,,please avoid blaming others for being gh15 especially ones on us grounds,,you need to stop it because your identity is most likley can be found by those people and they can serioulsy sue you for defomation since they have really nothing to do with anything,,
gh15 is an obvious one person ,,one writer ,,extermely smart person,,gh15 knows hormones way too well inorder to be joe shmoe,,gh15 knows details about the most sensetive issues in the industry that no fake id kid on getbig would know otherwize,,gh15 is either a goverment agent or a ifbb professional and you can take your guess about this until the end of days,,
any in the know dont argue weder gh15 is fake id what they argue about is their dinner plate for gh15 can make you or break you,,gh15 is simply gh15 an entity on getbig and although begs andc rys will stay on getbig and only on getbig because gh15 has no need or wanting to go to profesional muscle mahem and elitefitness where they beg him to have free hand in writing whatever he wants as long as he/she come on board,,
gh15 is an enigma and thats the worst thing a criminal such as palumbo velentino and the such can have in thier surrounding,,,and the best thing serious bodybuilders can hve in their surroundings,,
gh15 doesnt hold no bars,,gh15 already proved to call one a criminal and at the same pat him/her on the back for having good physiqe,,gh15 dont kiss ass gh15 dont say nice thing ds for just the saying ,,gh15 dont care wether it hurts the person or not,,gh15 maintain a decent level of respect but will tell it as it is everytime anytime anyplace ,,inaddition gh15 still havent profited from the name gh15 and the offers keep coming and every one is being declined by not answering it ,,that tells you gh15 is also honest and not up for quick $ which in the total conclusion make gh15 absolut and undetectable and thats how it was meant to be from day one my friends
STFU you nazi cockmaster ::)
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GH15, just curious man. I read some of your earliest posts from this site, dating back 2 years and what I found quite interesting is that for a foreigner, your English was FAR better 2 years ago, then it is today. Your grammar was better. Your spelling was better. Your sentence structure was better. Either you have gotten sloppier over the years, or you have been intentionally writing in the fashion you are now doing, in order for others to believe that you truly are a foreigner, when I truly don't believe you are. Your gimmick has gone to your own head and honestly, the stuff you used to write on this site and the manner in which it was written is NOT even close to what you have become. Something is terribly off.
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nothing is off about anything and nothing gets to head of no one,,i write english and speak english bettee r than 90% of american or any other english speaking ctounries,,its just a mattr of being sloppy in purpose,,that doesnt change the fact that im not from usa,,
inaddition there is no nothing up to my head ,,i am as good as i sound,,equivelent to god when it comes to hormones and their understanding,,i can bring whole police departments down for using hormones with out blinking,,im the deciding factor if someone gets big or not,,i am the equivelent of god in bodybuilding
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,i am the equivelent of a bad gimmick that has jumped the shark on getbig
Fixed
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Fixed
you continue to talk and gh15 continue to work and we will see who gets where and how far ok friend?
think im your wady and goatie friends..youre severely mistaken,,im up for cleaning bodybuilding to the core,,onlyu the best will survive and only human grade will be around,,clean to the core!
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Pick a few and read..........
http://www.khouse.org/articles_cat/2007/technical/space-time/