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McCain magically jumps up to to the top of the polls (http://www.pollingreport.com/wh08rep.htm), and I mean magically, he didn't do anything different.
The reasons given are that the surge is working and people arn't as opposed to McCain keeping the neocon ball rolling in the middle east. I've heard this reasoning over and over and over.
Well...
If that's how Americans feel, but wait, is it????
Fuck NO...
Opinions on Iraq remain relitively unchanged with even more people now saying we should have stayed out
http://www.pollingreport.com/iraq.htm
So honestly, what the fuck is this BS. I hate to cry conspiracy do to the meltdowns it causes but this smells as rotten as 2 week old road kill...
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McCain magically jumps up to to the top of the polls (http://www.pollingreport.com/wh08rep.htm), and I mean magically, he didn't do anything different.
The reasons given are that the surge is working and people arn't as opposed to McCain keeping the neocon ball rolling in the middle east. I've heard this reasoning over and over and over.
Well...
If that's how Americans feel, but wait, is it????
Fuck NO...
Opinions on Iraq remain relitively unchanged with even more people now saying we should have stayed out
http://www.pollingreport.com/iraq.htm
So honestly, what the fuck is this BS. I hate to cry conspiracy do to the meltdowns it causes but this smells as rotten as 2 week old road kill...
It's as easy as something called framing.
Right now, what is being discussed, and what is being on most people's agenda, are issues that McCain are strong in.
Economy, fiscal responisbility, et al. These things, I'm sure McCain more than most of the other candidates is perceived as trustworthy.
BTW, the "neocon surge" isn't working.
The Bush administration has finally left the aggression tactic for the first time in 7 years, and is now, in the final hours, trying the diplomacy approach, seriously trying to bring Palestine and Israel together.
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BTW, the "neocon surge" isn't working.
BTW, I didn't say it was. But OVER HERE, they're constantly "framing" it as a success and constantly attributing McCain's surge to it. All the polls show no change in opinion on the war. There is obviously a problem with this valuation of McCain's overnight surge to the top. That leaves the other issues you talk about, the situation here issue wise hasn't moved. Concerns with the ecomony and war were the same months ago. McCain just popped to the top--like magic and over here, they attribute it to success in Iraq.
If he gets in, I'm sending a case of Depends and Ensure to the Whitehouse.
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Militarily the sure is an overwhelming sucess...u guys can stick ur heads in the sand all u want but less guys are dying...less civilians and more infrastructure is being rebuilt. The government will have to fall in line after that.
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Militarily the sure is an overwhelming sucess...u guys can stick ur heads in the sand all u want but less guys are dying...less civilians and more infrastructure is being rebuilt. The government will have to fall in line after that.
Thanks for completely missing the point of the thread. The success or failure of the surge is not the issue. The issue I raised is the FACT that "public opinion" of the war has NOT chanced while success of the surge is noted for McCain's surge. Get on topic--thanks ;)
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Has something like this never happened before in politics?
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Get on topic...how many threads gets hijacked here :P..anyway hedge said the Neocon surge wasn't working. I think people are in the ignore the war mode. If it wasn't an election year, nobody would be talking about it unless something big happened. The media has nothing to harp on with the surge actually working. Plus the Dems are attacking each other right now...race is the new issue.
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Get on topic...how many threads gets hijacked here :P..anyway hedge said the Neocon surge wasn't working. I think people are in the ignore the war mode. If it wasn't an election year, nobody would be talking about it unless something big happened. The media has nothing to harp on with the surge actually working. Plus the Dems are attacking each other right now...race is the new issue.
We get it. You were/are in the military. Iraq is peachy keen, everything is working. You're privy to information that non-military men wouldn't be able to handle.
Can you discuss something else now?
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Has something like this never happened before in politics?
What rigged elections? I think not, you have a point :D
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We get it. You were/are in the military. Iraq is peachy keen, everything is working. You're privy to information that non-military men wouldn't be able to handle.
Can you discuss something else now?
nope :D
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What rigged elections? I think not, you have a point :D
Are you suggesting that McCain's surge in the polls is a precursor to a rigged election?
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Are you suggesting that McCain's surge in the polls is a precursor to a rigged election?
I thought you were suggesting :D No, I wouldn't do that here, not anymore. Tooooo many meltdowns involved in the slightest suggestion of conspiracy, forget I said anything :) I just noted something doesn't sound right with everyone attributing a massive jump to the top for McCain to success in Iraq when in fact nobody has changed their minds in the polls on Iraq. Something stinks there. So what is it? His position on other things hasn't changed. Other issues haven't changed. As it is now, without the Iraq thing, you just have a magic jump for McCain. He went from dwindling support to Number 1 overnight. In the past that has not happened without valid reasons to back it, such as awkward screams replayed over and over by an opponent or whatever. I'm not the one who went to Iraq as the reason McCain jumped, that would be all the pundits and well just about every last person I've heard speak on it from Fox to CNN. I'm just saying, clearly by public opinion on Iraq, that reason doesn't cut it.
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I'm just saying, clearly by public opinion on Iraq, that reason doesn't cut it.
So what do you think it is?
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So what do you think it is?
I think it stinks, I don't have a theory past something doesn't look right which is why I ask what the hell is going on here. So I'm open to suggestion. I just am fairly confident in saying the pundits are full of grade AAA Bullshit in saying he jumped because of a success in Iraq, the polls don't show support for that notion at all. And I'm open to all suggestion, foul play is hardly anything new to elections and anything but a shock. Been happening for a long long long long long time here and everywhere else.
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I think it stinks, I don't have a theory past something doesn't look right which is why I ask what the hell is going on here. So I'm open to suggestion. I just am fairly confident in saying the pundits are full of grade AAA Bullshit in saying he jumped because of a success in Iraq, the polls don't show support for that notion at all. And I'm open to all suggestion, foul play is hardly anything new to elections and anything but a shock. Been happening for a long long long long long time here and everywhere else.
Maybe, there's been a swing becuase of Huckabee's extreme Christian stance on things. Romney's too weak and not "enough Christian" Huckabee, looks too religious, and Guliani looks too corrupt and has had too many divorces. So who does that leave in the wake of "better" news in Iraq?
Mr Bomb Bomb Bomb Iran himself.
In some ways the republican candidates are looking like the same freak show as the dems.
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I saw this on the horizon months ago
Personally, I don't think it's any more complicated that the fact that the two presumptive front runners - Romney and Guiliani have a lot of flaws and by comparison McCain looks good.
There was a poll by Gallup (I think) a few months ago that showed when McCain was matched up againts any of the Dems it created the closest race of any of the other Republicans
Also, McCain will play ball with his corporate overlords and continue with the military misadventures in he pattern of Bush.
Basically he's their best hope in a very weak and flawed pool of potential candidates.
Throw Huckleberry Hound on the ticket as a tip of the hat to the Jesus crowd and they've got a good chance, especially against Billary
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That makes too much sense. :D
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That makes too much sense. :D
::)
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McCain won 7 primaries in 2000: New Hampshire, Michigan, Arizona, Connecticut, Massachusetts, Rhode Island and Vermont
He's a legitimate candidate and maybe people who voted for him in the past are more comfortable with him than Romney (flip floppper, seemed to be a liberal in the past, kooky religious beliefs) and Guiliani (slimy ex-mayor 911, 911, 911 ad naseum). At least with McCain they think they know what they are getting
The discrepencies with the voting machines with Obama and Hilary are a bit strange. One story I heard (which I can find in writing) is that the hand count and the machine count had the exact opposite results for those two almost to virtually the exact % point
Anyway - the process has just started and nothing is set in stone yet by any measure and that's a good thing
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The media only talks about 4 people, McCain, Clinton, Obama and Huckabee and it's been that way for a long time now.
It's insane to think the media doesn't influence the people by how much they expose certain canidates. It becomes even more obvious when the people vote and they can't even explain why they voted for that particular canidate, all they know is thats the person they've seen the most of on tv, so he must be the guy that's gonna win.
If the media gave every canidate equal coverage, the race would look a lot different.
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The media only talks about 4 people, McCain, Clinton, Obama and Huckabee and it's been that way for a long time now.
It's insane to think the media doesn't influence the people by how much they expose certain canidates. It becomes even more obvious when the people vote and they can't even explain why they voted for that particular canidate, all they know is thats the person they've seen the most of on tv, so he must be the guy that's gonna win.
If the media gave every canidate equal coverage, the race would look a lot different.
yea, this I can see. I also think a lot of people have the need to be on the winning team. The media goes, ooh McCain and people gravitate. There really isn't much of a valid reason for McCain's pop to the top, it is not Iraq as they keep saying so I like your reasoning the best so far. unfortunately it really highlights our stupidity.
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maybe there was a secret deal made in exchange for his flip flopping on the torture thingy? {shrug}
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We get it. You were/are in the military. Iraq is peachy keen, everything is working. You're privy to information that non-military men wouldn't be able to handle.
Can you discuss something else now?
Waaa waa waa bush sucks neocns suck..911 was an inside job..surge is failing...we're killing innocents..illiegal invasion ..waaa waa waa. See I can do it to.
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Maybe the pollsters are full of shit. Maybe when a Dem pollster calls people, they don't want to be viewed as racist so they say they're voting for Obama. This is documented and has happened before.
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Waaa waa waa bush sucks neocns suck..911 was an inside job..surge is failing...we're killing innocents..illiegal invasion ..waaa waa waa. See I can do it to.
Thanks for pointing that out.
All the progress in Iraq is window dressing. The dead are still dead.
Defining success in Iraq is kind of like speculating whether the rape victim enjoyed the sex.
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Nevermind headhuntersix, to him American policies can do no wrong. His piss is red, white and blue.
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something i heard on the radio was that 72% percent of voters are not firm on their candidate. Which means many voters still haven't completely made up their minds. So it only goes to reason that a surge like can happen.........
But no, you are probably right. It's stinks of an evil plot that McCain had a surge in the polls. I don't want to say conspiracy becuase i might be labeled a nut job, prone to meltdowns who might have to live int he real world part of the time accepting the fact that everything isn't a conspiracy and by that mere fact I'll be unwilling to take in consideration factual information or a reasonable explanation, becuase the only thing I'll listen to is something that supports my paranoid emotional driven notion that a deliberate manipulation of our minds and souls is at play. Please take me off the grid. ::)
P.S., the traffic on the way to work was significantly light today.... I wonder why all the people aren't on the road like they always are at this time.....Maybe they are being secretly kidnapped by the US government........no, I don't want to say that becuase it might cause people to get all upset, but there is certainly something fishy going on here.
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Nevermind headhuntersix, to him American policies can do no wrong. His piss is red, white and blue.
He's a very smart guy. I disagree with him on this Iraq deal.
I just can't get over the point of pro-war people that everyone should just accept what's happening there and move on already.
That's weak. There is no justification for what the US did to the Iraqi people.
If there is, I would like to hear it.
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something i heard on the radio was that 72% percent of voters are not firm on their candidate. Which means many voters still haven't completely made up their minds. So it only goes to reason that a surge like can happen.........
But no, you are probably right. It's stinks of an evil plot that McCain had a surge in the polls. I don't want to say conspiracy becuase i might be labeled a nut job, prone to meltdowns who might have to live int he real world part of the time accepting the fact that everything isn't a conspiracy and by that mere fact I'll be unwilling to take in consideration factual information or a reasonable explanation, becuase the only thing I'll listen to is something that supports my paranoid emotional driven notion that a deliberate manipulation of our minds and souls is at play. Please take me off the grid. ::)
I have little confidence in the political process at the moment. That's not nutty CT. I trust the government and its electoral process less than I did 8 years ago.
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I have little confidence in the political process at the moment. That's not nutty CT. I trust the government and its electoral process less than I did 8 years ago.
I do also.
But I'm not sounding the alarm when a person has a big jump in the polls 11 months before an election with the field of candidates the repubs have.
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He's a very smart guy. I disagree with him on this Iraq deal.
I just can't get over the point of pro-war people that everyone should just accept what's happening there and move on already.
That's weak. There is no justification for what the US did to the Iraqi people.
If there is, I would like to hear it.
I'm hardly pro-war....but I won't let folks make comments that I don't belive to be true. Ur points should be debated, but not to the point that it affects our ability to win. The ramifications of losing and what will then happen to our Armed Forces are staggering. I look at it as another post-vietnam. The late 70's was bad time in America and in the service.
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something i heard on the radio was that 72% percent of voters are not firm on their candidate. Which means many voters still haven't completely made up their minds. So it only goes to reason that a surge like can happen.........
But no, you are probably right. It's stinks of an evil plot that McCain had a surge in the polls. I don't want to say conspiracy becuase i might be labeled a nut job, prone to meltdowns who might have to live int he real world part of the time accepting the fact that everything isn't a conspiracy and by that mere fact I'll be unwilling to take in consideration factual information or a reasonable explanation, becuase the only thing I'll listen to is something that supports my paranoid emotional driven notion that a deliberate manipulation of our minds and souls is at play. Please take me off the grid. ::)
P.S., the traffic on the way to work was significantly light today.... I wonder why all the people aren't on the road like they always are at this time.....Maybe they are being secretly kidnapped by the US government........no, I don't want to say that becuase it might cause people to get all upset, but there is certainly something fishy going on here.
Oh Brother ::) all I did was say I'm open to all ideas of why including CT theories. I like to listen to all thoughts on something rather than think of the world as perfect. When I have a CT theory on something, I'll freaking state it. I didn't say it was a conspiracy. My eye roll was directed at your predictable need to be sarcastic every time I note something is off. In this case their reasoning for McCain's surge is clearly off. The only thing I said for sure about anything here is that I'm pretty sure this surge of McCain's is probably not from success in Iraq as noted by unchanged opinion on the war. I have justification in this case after hearing this so many times and seeing the polls on Iraq haven't changed, thus I ask WTF and get opinions on a board that talks about politics, go figure the crime :-\
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Oh Brother ::) all I did was say I'm open to all ideas of why including CT theories. I like to listen to all thoughts on something rather than think of the world as perfect. When I have a CT theory on something, I'll freaking state it. I didn't say it was a conspiracy. My eye roll was directed at your predictable need to be sarcastic every time I note something is off. In this case their reasoning for McCain's surge is clearly off. The only thing I said for sure about anything here is that I'm pretty sure this surge of McCain's is probably not from success in Iraq as noted by unchanged opinion on the war. I have justification in this case after hearing this so many times and seeing the polls on Iraq haven't changed, thus I ask WTF and get opinions on a board that talks about politics, go figure the crime :-\
If anything i hope you take my sarcasm in some degree of jest. ;D
but you did say this:
So honestly, what the fuck is this BS. I hate to cry conspiracy do to the meltdowns it causes but this smells as rotten as 2 week old road kill...
That's like saying if it wasn't for the trouble it causes I'd say this was a conspiracy.
And it smells rotten how? Like a deliberate manipulation somehow or rotten like "unusual" and not normal but like 60 degree in Buffalo this time of the year, (which did happen last week according to a friend of mine who lives there)
BTW road kill is very normal. ;)
then you said this:
McCain just popped to the top--like magic and over here, they attribute it to success in Iraq.
"They" may have been incorrect and at the time that might have been "their" first guess from "their" experts.
The issue I raised is the FACT that "public opinion" of the war has NOT chanced while success of the surge is noted for McCain's surge.
Oddly ;D we are talking about republican voters here. That should say something. (and it's not a knock on these voters) It's that's many of these people probably voted for BUSH and McCain represents the idea that a vote for him validates their vote for Bush in the light of the surge working.
More on the stinking stuff:
Something stinks there.
I think it stinks, I don't have a theory past something doesn't look right which is why I ask what the hell is going on here.
So what stinks and why doesn't any of the explanations Straw man or what others gave work for you?
What kind of explanation will you accept?
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Waaa waa waa bush sucks neocns suck..911 was an inside job..surge is failing...we're killing innocents..illiegal invasion ..waaa waa waa. See I can do it to.
just curious... do military folks ever talk about 911 being an inside job? i know that some of the loudest truthers are ex-military, as they understand the war was for oil, and they understand the logistical and physics impossibilities that occurred that sad day.
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Jesus christ, can you sum that up Ozmo, I'm not going to get into a long drawn out reply to 90 points in one post face off.
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Jesus christ, can you sum that up Ozmo, I'm not going to get into a long drawn out reply to 90 points in one post face off.
dude that's not very long. arrg.
Ok, here we go:
1. If anything i hope you take my sarcasm in some degree of jest. ;D
2. And it smells rotten how? Like a deliberate manipulation somehow or rotten like "unusual" and not normal but like 60 degree in Buffalo this time of the year, (which did happen last week according to a friend of mine who lives there)
3. Oddly Grin we are talking about republican voters here. That should say something. (and it's not a knock on these voters) It's that's many of these people probably voted for BUSH and McCain represents the idea that a vote for him validates their vote for Bush in the light of the surge working.
4. What kind of explanation will you accept?
hth
PS: I'm not trying to start a point by point battle here, i was simply trying to explain what i was getting at.
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I'm hardly pro-war....but I won't let folks make comments that I don't belive to be true. Ur points should be debated, but not to the point that it affects our ability to win. The ramifications of losing and what will then happen to our Armed Forces are staggering. I look at it as another post-vietnam. The late 70's was bad time in America and in the service.
Winning in Iraq? That's debatable. Here's where I support Ron Paul. We don't belong there. Just like with Viet Nam. We left Viet Nam and now we trade with the country. Sometimes the US makes mistakes.
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dude that's not very long. arrg.
Ok, here we go:
1. If anything i hope you take my sarcasm in some degree of jest. ;D
2. And it smells rotten how? Like a deliberate manipulation somehow or rotten like "unusual" and not normal but like 60 degree in Buffalo this time of the year, (which did happen last week according to a friend of mine who lives there)
3. Oddly Grin we are talking about republican voters here. That should say something. (and it's not a knock on these voters) It's that's many of these people probably voted for BUSH and McCain represents the idea that a vote for him validates their vote for Bush in the light of the surge working.
4. What kind of explanation will you accept?
hth
PS: I'm not trying to start a point by point battle here, i was simply trying to explain what i was getting at.
You must have missed where I accepted Bindare_Dundat explanation the most out of everything posted. I post that it stinks BECAUSE I am open to all possibilities and it looks on the face to be rotten, but remember first and foremost my post is a question, a query for explanation. I posed no theory and I will not or have not ever called 100% foul play without a thought out theory or something to back it up. And no, I don't take it in jest from you. your sarcasm and belittling comments in regards to anything posted from a suspicious point of view have been constant and I see them purely as bait. My problem is that with my temper, I fall for the bait and blow my top to much which I think pleases the shit out of you. Like the chemtrail thread, I was fine shooting out the possibilities back and forth in an attempt to figure something out and bang out of nowhere in a talk that I thought was going really well considering the subject, you come in with condescending comments like I was 12. The pattern of this goes all the way back to General days.
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You must have missed where I accepted Bindare_Dundat explanation the most out of everything posted. I post that it stinks BECAUSE I am open to all possibilities and it looks on the face to be rotten, but remember first and foremost my post is a question, a query for explanation. I posed no theory and I will not or have not ever called 100% foul play without a thought out theory or something to back it up. And no, I don't take it in jest from you. your sarcasm and belittling comments in regards to anything posted from a suspicious point of view have been constant and I see them purely as bait. My problem is that with my temper, I fall for the bait and blow my top to much which I think pleases the shit out of you. Like the chemtrail thread, I was fine shooting out the possibilities back and forth in an attempt to figure something out and bang out of nowhere in a talk that I thought was going really well considering the subject, you come in with condescending comments like I was 12. The pattern of this goes all the way back to General days.
Initially i wasn't trying to be condescending until it was clear you really didn't to understand what i was talking about while dismissing anything i was saying with an attitude about it.
As for my baiting....sarcasm and belittling comments. Sarcasm....yes. Belittling.....that's on you as it's your interpretation.
You make assertions insinuating foul play and conspiracy before you even entertain the thought that you simply don't know enough info.
Shouldn't it be the other way around?
Shouldn't it be, "hmmm, maybe i don't know enough and maybe i should find out before you start saying things like "stinks and BS"
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McCain magically jumps up to to the top of the polls (http://www.pollingreport.com/wh08rep.htm), and I mean magically, he didn't do anything different.
The reasons given are that the surge is working and people arn't as opposed to McCain keeping the neocon ball rolling in the middle east. I've heard this reasoning over and over and over.
Well...
If that's how Americans feel, but wait, is it????
Fuck NO...
Opinions on Iraq remain relitively unchanged with even more people now saying we should have stayed out
http://www.pollingreport.com/iraq.htm
So honestly, what the fuck is this BS. I hate to cry conspiracy do to the meltdowns it causes but this smells as rotten as 2 week old road kill...
maybe you're putting too much faith in polls. Zogby was on the Daily Show last week and said that they get different answers on Monday (day before the New Hampshire primary) than they did on Tuesday. He also said the sample size is 850-900 people and they have to call ~ 7000 people just to get 850/900 to respond. He even said they had to go into the next state to find enough people to answer the questions (that may have been a joke). Maybe a certain % of the people responding were just fucking with the caller. Who knows. Peoples opinion can change based on lot's of things without the candidate doing anything different. After McCain won New Hamshire he got a bump going foward. Nothing strange about that. Also McCain was expected to win in NH.
The Clinton/Obama oddities are a separate issue.
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just curious... do military folks ever talk about 911 being an inside job? i know that some of the loudest truthers are ex-military, as they understand the war was for oil, and they understand the logistical and physics impossibilities that occurred that sad day.
No because we see how complex an operation that 911 would be..how nobody can keep their mouths shut..and how fucked up people are.....911 executed by Americans...based on the fact that u could not smuggle in explosives...could not fake a cruise missle..the list is endless...we don't agree...fine, but I'm not debating this.
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just curious... do military folks ever talk about 911 being an inside job? i know that some of the loudest truthers are ex-military, as they understand the war was for oil, and they understand the logistical and physics impossibilities that occurred that sad day.
No because we see how complex an operation that 911 would be..how nobody can keep their mouths shut..and how fucked up people are.....911 executed by Americans...based on the fact that u could not smuggle in explosives...could not fake a cruise missle..the list is endless...we don't agree...fine, but I'm not debating this.
I hate getting into 9/11 stuff but there are some really valid questions that need to be answered. The investigation into the whole thing was a half assed affair I feel. If the investigation was done properly the whole event wouldnt be so surrounded by conspiricies.
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Belittling.....that's on you as it's your interpretation.
Whatever, you're on your high horse with this crap and you know it. The comments made as though you're talking to some kid in gradeschool are geared toward exactly that. So remember this people, if you don't get it Ozmo's fucking way and right away, expect him to resort to this kind of bullshit. It's his MO every freaking time. Listen to Ozmo kiddies or STFU ::)
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Not to misrepresent where I'm coming from. I don't give a shit that Ozmo baits meltdowns, this is getbig and I'm as happily guilty of that as much as the next person. I just can't stand that the skeptic's main tool against any theory is a dish of mockery in some attempt to portray the CT theorist as childish or beneath them. The skeptic can't help but make a grab for the high ground by belittling their opponent in the argument. Ozmo is relentless in ignoring every single point and he will not in any situation give a point on anything made, if it's a valid point, he comes up with a multitude of maybe this or maybe that, anyone can maybe the shit out of any topic. I on the other hand have very few Conspiracy Theories I am sure of and those are one's I've spend years looking at. I am always open to ideas and have a history of conceding valid points made by others. Ozmo is a goddamned brick wall with a vendetta against theories and even suspicions in general. It's pretty fucking lame when someone can't even be suspicious and ask for opinions on a political board where people give opinions on the issues.
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Whatever, you're on your high horse with this crap and you know it. The comments made as though you're talking to some kid in gradeschool are geared toward exactly that. So remember this people, if you don't get it Ozmo's fucking way and right away, expect him to resort to this kind of bullshit. It's his MO every freaking time. Listen to Ozmo kiddies or STFU ::)
Not to misrepresent where I'm coming from. I don't give a shit that Ozmo baits meltdowns, this is getbig and I'm as happily guilty of that as much as the next person. I just can't stand that the skeptic's main tool against any theory is a dish of mockery in some attempt to portray the CT theorist as childish or beneath them. The skeptic can't help but make a grab for the high ground by belittling their opponent in the argument. Ozmo is relentless in ignoring every single point and he will not in any situation give a point on anything made, if it's a valid point, he comes up with a multitude of maybe this or maybe that, anyone can maybe the shit out of any topic. I on the other hand have very few Conspiracy Theories I am sure of and those are one's I've spend years looking at. I am always open to ideas and have a history of conceding valid points made by others. Ozmo is a goddamned brick wall with a vendetta against theories and even suspicions in general. It's pretty fucking lame when someone can't even be suspicious and ask for opinions on a political board where people give opinions on the issues.
Hook, line and sinker......... ;D ;D ;D ;D
I think some people are just spun too tight.
But let's get just get a few things straight.
- If you tell me the planes that hit the WTC's were really holograms from circling helicopters I'm not going to hold back much.
- If you insinuate a conspiracy first over something like polling or contrails and a reasonable explanation is given and you scuff at it, I'm going to say something about it.
But most importantly:
I am interested in the truth based on facts and if all you come with is uniformed uneducated speculation I'm going to say something.
If you can't handle that, sorry. If you think that's mockery or belittling, sorry.
Start taking responsibility for how you take it.
PS: Don't talk about me ignoring every point. When in a debate about something i try and address every point. If there is a point i "ignored" it might be becuase it was so stupid it didn't deserve attention. But feel free to post any point i ignored and I'll address it.
PPSS: And i don;t think you are guilt free of the same behavior you are accusing me of. It's forum FFS, it's funny that you of all people are all of a sudden getting a llittle thin skinned.
PPPSSS: Is this all becuase of the grid thing? Is it becuase i assumed you understood airspace is 3-d and just said it in a way that made you take it as condescending?
PPPPSSSS: McCain had a big surge in the polls and Romney won in Michigan. Care to comment? :-*
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Hook, line and sinker......... ;D ;D ;D ;D
I think some people are just spun too tight.
But let's get just get a few things straight.
- If you tell me the planes that hit the WTC's were really holograms from circling helicopters I'm not going to hold back much.
- If you insinuate a conspiracy first over something like polling or contrails and a reasonable explanation is given and you scuff at it, I'm going to say something about it.
But most importantly:
I am interested in the truth based on facts and if all you come with is uniformed uneducated speculation I'm going to say something.
If you can't handle that, sorry. If you think that's mockery or belittling, sorry.
Start taking responsibility for how you take it.
PS: Don't talk about me ignoring every point. When in a debate about something i try and address every point. If there is a point i "ignored" it might be becuase it was so stupid it didn't deserve attention. But feel free to post any point i ignored and I'll address it.
PPSS: And i don;t think you are guilt free of the same behavior you are accusing me of. It's forum FFS, it's funny that you of all people are all of a sudden getting a llittle thin skinned.
PPPSSS: Is this all becuase of the grid thing? Is it becuase i assumed you understood airspace is 3-d and just said it in a way that made take as condescending?
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Listen fucktard, because clearly you haven't listend to one single thing I've ever said. 240 brought up the WTC holograms and I called bullshit on it and I clearly and repetitiously said, i do not know what chemtrails are or have a theory that they are anything but benign. Aside from where it was admitted there were some intentional manipulations by the German military, I got nothing and never claimed to have anything in that area. Again, it was an anomaly through observation I thought worthy of debate but you are making way to much out of a simple goddamned curiosity ::) Fucking assclown.
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Listen fucktard, because clearly you haven't listend to one single thing I've ever said. 240 brought up the WTC holograms and I called bullshit on it and I clearly and repetitiously said, i do not know what chemtrails are or have a theory that they are anything but benign. Aside from where it was admitted there were some intentional manipulations by the German military, I got nothing and never claimed to have anything in that area. Again, it was an anomaly through observation I thought worthy of debate but you are making way to much out of a simple goddamned curiosity ::) Fucking assclown.
I think you need to spend some time in your happy place.
RElax, take some deep breaths.
But before you go:
What happens when you put an ice cube in a 500 degree oven? :-*
To address some misconceptions:
The hologram thing was in response to your accusation about my behavior in the general forum to put it in perspective.
And now the grid thing was just curiosity? Right. You have a funny way of being curious especially when you are presented with a knowledgeable answer.
But really Berserker, you need to calm down. You are taking this way too seriously. And to a certain extent both you and i are taking what is written the wrong way.
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I think you need to spend some time in your happy place.
RElax, take some deep breaths.
But before you go:
What happens when you put an ice cube in a 500 degree oven? :-*
To address some misconceptions:
The hologram thing was in response to your accusation about my behavior in the general forum to put it in perspective.
And now the grid thing was just curiosity? Right. You have a funny way of being curious especially when you are presented with a knowledgeable answer.
But really Berserker, you need to calm down. You are taking this way too seriously. And to a certain extent both you and i are taking what is written the wrong way.
yea, fuck me for being curious when I see planes turning the sky above me into a chess board when I never saw it before ::) Did I once claim to know what or why? Well did I?!!!!!!!! You need to learn to read. There's a big difference between the two. In that same fucking thread you clearly didn't read, I believe I made quite clear I don't know what it is. Does that not make it a goddamned curiosity then? Does that not make it a question? Fuck yes it does ::) I consider these trails suspicious. I have posted info that I can find but like abortion I do not have a definitive stance on it because of unknowns but that doesn't mean I will dismiss with "what ifs" and "maybe's" Unknowns are worthy of exploration and debate. I have conspiracy theories bubba and when I have them, I don't fucking beat around the bush, I state the freaking thing. Oh, and go fuck yourself, you want to bait a meltdown, deal with it when it lands you fucking troll.
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yea, fuck me for being curious when I see planes turning the sky above me into a chess board when I never saw it before ::) Did I once claim to know what or why?
You still need to calm down.
I'm not claiming you claimed to know why.
Does that not make it a question? Fuck yes it does Roll Eyes I consider these trails suspicious.
suspicious or unusual becuase you don't have enough knowledge of the subject?
"Suspicious" insinuates wrong doing.
Oh, and go fuck yourself, you want to bait a meltdown, deal with it when it lands you fucking troll.
You've done this all on your own.
If the fish jumps on to the boat you can hardly call that baiting.
And excuse the hell out of me or anyone else that doesn't share your "curiosities and suspicions" and tries to give a reasonable answer.
REally Berserker, you need to calm down,
BTW McCain and a surge in the polls and Romney just won in Michigan......care to comment? ;) :-*
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"Suspicious" insinuates wrong doing.
You're such a complete moron, WRONG BUBBA WRONG... "Suspicious" is open to wrong doing, it does NOT insinuate anything definitively. Maybe there is maybe there is not. Questionable is a synonym of Suspicous. Get a clue of my context when I said I don't know for sure ::) DuH... Get that right and I'll move on to the other pure BS you posted.
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You're such a complete moron, WRONG BUBBA WRONG... "Suspicious" is open to wrong doing, it does NOT insinuate anything definitively. Maybe there is maybe there is not. Questionable is a synonym of Suspicous. Get a clue of my context when I said I don't know for sure ::) DuH... Get that right and I'll move on to the other pure BS you posted.
sus·pi·cious /səˈspɪʃəs/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[suh-spish-uhs] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–adjective
1. tending to cause or excite suspicion; questionable: suspicious behavior.
2. inclined to suspect, esp. inclined to suspect evil; distrustful: a suspicious tyrant.
3. full of or feeling suspicion.
4. expressing or indicating suspicion: a suspicious glance.
from dictionary.com
sus·pi·cion /səˈspɪʃən/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[suh-spish-uhn] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–noun
1. act of suspecting.
2. the state of mind or feeling of one who suspects: Suspicion kept him awake all night long.
3. an instance of suspecting something or someone.
4. state of being suspected: under suspicion; above suspicion.
5. imagination of anything to be the case or to be likely; a vague notion of something.
6. a slight trace, hint, or suggestion: a suspicion of a smile.
–verb (used with object)
7. Nonstandard. to suspect.
[Origin: 1250–1300; ME < L suspīciōn- (s. of suspīciō), equiv. to suspīc- (var. s. of suspicere to look from below, suspect) + -iōn- -ion]
—Synonyms 2. doubt, mistrust, misgiving. Suspicion, distrust are terms for a feeling that appearances are not reliable. Suspicion is the positive tendency to doubt the trustworthiness of appearances and therefore to believe that one has detected possibilities of something unreliable, unfavorable, menacing, or the like: to feel suspicion about the honesty of a prominent man. Distrust may be a passive want of trust, faith, or reliance in a person or thing: to feel distrust of one's own ability.
Again,
Suspicion insinuates wrong doing. Especially in the context of how you used the word.
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Ozmo. A large part of a forum is to dicuss others thoughts on happenings of the day week....etc.
It is a valid thread that berserker started and one that is common in thought for sure. (Where the hell did mccain come from all of a sudden)!!!
Putting it out there for others thoughts was the point....and please accept that using the word fishy or unusual or suspiscious is a term all of americans have had to use these last 8 years. IE: Everything looks suspiscious :o
Makes for good reading and sometimes good learning
Berserker seems like a smart kid with a fast temper...so why antagonize him? we are lucky to have an active board here. 8)
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Ozmo. A large part of a forum is to dicuss others thoughts on happenings of the day week....etc.
It is a valid thread that berserker started and one that is common in thought for sure. (Where the hell did mccain come from all of a sudden)!!!
Putting it out there for others thoughts was the point....and please accept that using the word fishy or unusual or suspiscious is a term all of americans have had to use these last 8 years. IE: Everything looks suspiscious :o
You preaching to the choir about the last eight years. Suspicious is an understatement IMO.
You might want to try and read the whole conversation. I admit that i went after his goat. But not immediately.
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Ozmo, you're still an idiot. To find the connotation you look at what i said and If I said I did not know what does that say you idiot? It means you can focus on QUESTIONABLE!!!!!!!!!! Yes it includes the possibility of wrong doing it ALSO when you look at MY FULL CONTEXT OF WHAT I SAY is open for all possible answers.
JACKASS ::)
Why can't you take my word for, why do you have to sit here and tell me what I'm thinking when I know full goddamned well what I am thinking!!!!!!!!! I simply never intended on the chemtrail or any suspicion posted as a definitive accusation. I DID NOT EVER INDEND IT SO AND I BELIEVE ME SAYING I DO NOT KNOW ILLUSTRATES THAT AS MUCH AS I CAN, ::) NOT TO MENTION, I'M TELLING YOU OVER AND OVER THAT'S NOT WHERE I'M COMING FROM YET YOU FUCKING KNOW MORE ABOUT WHAT I HAVE IN MY HEAD THAN WHAT I AM POORING OUT ON THE BOARD. FOR THE LASTGODDAMNED TIME YOU IDIOT FUCK, WHEN I HAVE AN ACCUSATION AND I KNOW FOR SURE SOMETHING IS FUCKED, I WON'T POSE IT AS A QUESTION, I'LL TELL YOU WHAT I SEE AND WHY!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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You preaching to the choir THE CHOIR MY ASS ::)about the last eight years. Suspicious is an understatement IMO.
You might want to try and read the whole conversation. I admit that i went after his goat. But not immediately.
ADMIT YOUR VENDETTA AGAINST Suspicion, YOU BIAS FUCK. OH the CRIME, imagine being suspicious of election goings! Ozmo must be right on the money, can you imagine wrong doing in an election????? BWHAHHWHHAHHakhsjkahjkdh fjasjfhduKJASDfkajhf
yes unfuckingheardof huh??? ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)
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I admit that i went after his goat. But not immediately.
bullshit, you were fishing right off the bat and you know it. I knew you would be which is why I tried at first to play it with humor and a cheesy, but alas you in predictable fashion had to fish harder in an attempt to get a strike and you got your strike, I'm melting down and in typical troll fashion you play it perfect, grab the high ground and tell me to calm down... Such has been the way of the troll for a long time.
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McCain magically jumps up to to the top of the polls (http://www.pollingreport.com/wh08rep.htm), and I mean magically, he didn't do anything different.
The reasons given are that the surge is working and people arn't as opposed to McCain keeping the neocon ball rolling in the middle east. I've heard this reasoning over and over and over.
Well...
If that's how Americans feel, but wait, is it????
Fuck NO...
Opinions on Iraq remain relitively unchanged with even more people now saying we should have stayed out
http://www.pollingreport.com/iraq.htm
So honestly, what the fuck is this BS. I hate to cry conspiracy do to the meltdowns it causes but this smells as rotten as 2 week old road kill...
I think we can expect to see fluctuations for the next several weeks. I watched the South Carolina Republican debate and thought McCain won, with Thompson actually sounding credible for a change. Part of what this shows is no candidate has separated himself from the pack. I'm actually rethinking my earlier dismissal of McCain. I'm going to give him a closer look.
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Ozmo, you're still an idiot. To find the connotation you look at what i said and If I said I did not know what does that say you idiot? It means you can focus on QUESTIONABLE!!!!!!!!!! Yes it includes the possibility of wrong doing it ALSO when you look at MY FULL CONTEXT OF WHAT I SAY is open for all possible answers.
JACKASS ::)
Why can't you take my word for, why do you have to sit here and tell me what I'm thinking when I know full goddamned well what I am thinking!!!!!!!!! I simply never intended on the chemtrail or any suspicion posted as a definitive accusation. I DID NOT EVER INDEND IT SO AND I BELIEVE ME SAYING I DO NOT KNOW ILLUSTRATES THAT AS MUCH AS I CAN, ::) NOT TO MENTION, I'M TELLING YOU OVER AND OVER THAT'S NOT WHERE I'M COMING FROM YET YOU FUCKING KNOW MORE ABOUT WHAT I HAVE IN MY HEAD THAN WHAT I AM POORING OUT ON THE BOARD. FOR THE LASTGODDAMNED TIME YOU IDIOT FUCK, WHEN I HAVE AN ACCUSATION AND I KNOW FOR SURE SOMETHING IS FUCKED, I WON'T POSE IT AS A QUESTION, I'LL TELL YOU WHAT I SEE AND WHY!!!!!!!!!!!!!
You should see a therapist.
ADMIT YOUR VENDETTA AGAINST Suspicion, YOU BIAS FUCK. OH the CRIME, imagine being suspicious of election goings! Ozmo must be right on the money, can you imagine wrong doing in an election????? BWHAHHWHHAHHakhsjkahjkdh fjasjfhduKJASDfkajhf
yes unfuckingheardof huh??? ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)
I mean really. GO outside. Breath some of that crisp Denver air.
bullshit, you were fishing right off the bat and you know it. I knew you would be which is why I tried at first to play it with humor and a cheesy, but alas you in predictable fashion had to fish harder in an attempt to get a strike and you got your strike, I'm melting down and in typical troll fashion you play it perfect, grab the high ground and tell me to calm down... Such has been the way of the troll for a long time.
Look, I'm happy to lock horns with anyone. I'm more than happy to get in to long drawn out heated debates and point by point wars. And if you want to continue with insults, it's more than fine with me. Although, you are getting less entertaining and more tedious now.
REally, I'm not taking the high ground here, you just keep letting yourself sink lower and lower.
Look at what you posted. Do you lose your temper this easy in real life?
It's like you give out your goats for free and take no responsibility for the way you act afterwards. You should seek anger management counseling if you get this spun up over web posting.
Look:
Suspicion means what it means. Do you think that if you meant questionable that perhaps you chose the wrong word?
Just to clear this thing up on the chemtrail thing:
Look at your snippy little attitude, when i went out of my way to go back to a subject i said i was going to find out more about:
You didn't answer jack shit. We're going in circles here ::) save 3 diimensional BS for some kid ok.
You automatically assumed i was talking down to you.
how was i talking down to you?
here's what i said:
Air force bases and public bases do not typically share the same air space, and as air travel increase to and from an airport or even from an air base (such as when an airbase changes it's primary mission from let's a fighter base to a transport hub) they need to redo the airspace.
As far as size of trails, it could be reasons such as atmospheric conditions, flying at different altitudes (as you can probably surmise, air space is 3 dimensional), or type of jet engine.
How is that talking down to you?
What the fuck is wrong with you?
Talk about touchy and defensive.
You know what i think, i think you're just pissed becuase i'll take your shit and throw it back in your face and you can't handle that.
Well too fucking bad. You need to build a bridge and GET OVER YOURSELF.
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we can go over the rigged election thing later if you like, i don't know what your trip is now, you are the one who brought up elections from this reply of mine:
Has something like this never happened before in politics?
And you didn't mention elections in the post i responded to.
And stop trying to act all innocent with your " i hate to cry conspiracy..." and then deny you are actually cry that.
That's just like me saying:
If i was a real bastard I'd call you a drama queen but, I'm not a real bastard so i won't. ;) I wonder if you got what i just did.
is this what you are calling trolling?
That makes too much sense. :D
My god, like i said you need to get over your self.