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is craig natural here?
in respond to 10s od questions repetetive ones,,here one more time so its clear for every new green and old wrinkled,,also this is my view on majority of contact sports,,here loud and clear with no need to do individual pmComplete Bullshit and proof that you are no IFBB Pro ( PLUS YOUR STARS ARE NO LONGER BLUE ) - You just believe that about naturals because you never bothered achieving a decent 200 pound physique before you started using. You should be banned from getbig for stating such things as fact. Do you really want some teenagers blood on your hands when he hits the drugs straight away without the proper advice??!!
it keep amazes me how freidns here sending pm afgter pm asking same exact questions,, since i know everyone read every single word come out of gh15 name i will write it here louad and clear AGAIN
EVERY SINGLE PERSON IN THE INDUSTRY OF BODYBUILDING WETHER AMATUER OR PROFESSIONAL IS ON MANY TYPE OF HORMONES AND IN MANY CASES OTHER BI PRODUCTS AND IN MANY CASES THE CURSSEE RECREATIONALS THAT IN 99% OF CASES CUASE FOR HIS OR HER ARREST AND JAIL TIME OR FINE TIME AND FOLLOWED BY PROBATION,,
EVERY SINGLE ONE OF PERSON WHO LOOK LIKE ME WETHER SMALLER OR EQUIVELENT OF SAIZE WETHER 190LB OR 290LB ,,ALL HORMONIZED,,,YES EVEN THE ONES YOU THINK ARE NATURAL LIKE THE WHATS HIS NAME LAY NORTON,,ALL HORMONIZED TO SOME DEGREE,,ALL COULDNT AND WOULDNT BE IN GYM IF DIDNT HAVE THE ABILITY TO ADVANCE,,ABILITY TO ADVANCE PAST AGE 24-25 IS A PARALLEL DEPENDENT OF HOW MANY PRODUCTS YOU CAN GET AND HOW LEGIT THEY ARE,,,
please please avoid askin me same question again,,the people you look at and think ummmis this guy take or not are ALWAYS TAKING,,even the people that you think work out real hard as in looking real hard natural workers,,,even they are on constant use of hormone and bi product help,,
naturals are not built even close to 200lb at 5'10 at 6%,,it doesnt work this way ,,,naturals stop at 170lb 5'9 8-10 % if very very lucky and in most cases even they used something to get there but its capable naturally if been doign sports and active all your life,,
please spare yoruself dumb questions and just read what gh15 write hre for im tired answering those questions
(http://www.titusandryan.com/wp-images/compare.jpg)That was at his arraignment, so he still had some residue gear in his system. He's natural now. All 170 lbs of him.
is craig natural here?
why is it so hard to believe what gh says "trev"?His drug advice in terms of how to use etc etc may be spot on, but he should NOT state as fact that you can't build a good chunky physique (that most young guys on here would be happy with) naturally. Im 5ft 11 and 208 pounds and approx 6/7% bodyfat and have never taken a bodybuilding drug in my life. Im only now thinking of supplementing my diet at 38 years old as Im leaner than Ive ever been before and want to keep building.
please spare yoruself dumb questions and just read what gh15 write hre for im tired answering those questions
His drug advice in terms of how to use etc etc may be spot on, but he should NOT state as fact that you can't build a good chunky physique (that most young guys on here would be happy with) naturally. Im 5ft 11 and 208 pounds and approx 6/7% bodyfat and have never taken a bodybuilding drug in my life. Im only now thinking of supplementing my diet at 38 years old as Im leaner than Ive ever been before and want to keep building.
His drug advice in terms of how to use etc etc may be spot on, but he should NOT state as fact that you can't build a good chunky physique (that most young guys on here would be happy with) naturally. Im 5ft 11 and 208 pounds and approx 6/7% bodyfat and have never taken a bodybuilding drug in my life. Im only now thinking of supplementing my diet at 38 years old as Im leaner than Ive ever been before and want to keep building.
Im 5ft 11 and 208 pounds and approx 6/7% bodyfat and have never taken a bodybuilding drug in my life. Im only now thinking of supplementing my diet at 38 years old as Im leaner than Ive ever been before and want to keep building.
His drug advice in terms of how to use etc etc may be spot on, but he should NOT state as fact that you can't build a good chunky physique (that most young guys on here would be happy with) naturally. Im 5ft 11 and 208 pounds and approx 6/7% bodyfat and have never taken a bodybuilding drug in my life. Im only now thinking of supplementing my diet at 38 years old as Im leaner than Ive ever been before and want to keep building.
anything come outof my mouth you should consider as holy bible,,thats first ,,
anything come outof my mouth you should consider as holy bible,,thats first ,,
second ,,you say you are 208 ,,you sure youre not 210? maybe 205? stop the bull crap friend,,you are 200lb at 12-15% naturally if you are naturally and that is after many years of training,,all the ones who think they are 7% bodytfat never seen it in their dream even because they dream of being 10% ,,,
there is no 5'11 tow o nothing at 7% naturally ,,you been in this long time as you say ,,,if you are anything of true number you say ...then you been to hormones or bi products,,,notto forget m1t is a steroid,,and many supplements during the 90s were inddeed hormones as in aas under the title supplements,,,in general your numbers are not natural numbers,,you can talk from now until 2020 it wont help ,,there ae many people n this board getbig bt noo one ever debate me among the know it all...you know why? because everything i say is 100% true,,the one who try to debate me are usually gym rats with one cycle to their history ,,what im taslking here is the human body and its abilities as i states,,
infact natural as of 2000 is dead,,5'11 208 ::) 6% natural,,yes ok friend,,,tell it to the girl you try to nail on the beach right after you beged your dealer to ship products faster because you got competition coming soon,,but dont tell it to me and dont make getbiggrs think thats the way it is because its not
also any normal kid here knows that my recomendation is to hormonize only after few years naturally,,gh15 also write on gossip and opinion board and the only liar here is you!
i came to hate bodybuilding because of the lies among this sport and industry,,man up and adnit it when you hormonized! dont be a pussy and try to impress the dumb whore,,man up and stand by what you took inorder to achieve extra ordinary physiqe,,man up and say I WANTED TO GROW THUS I USED HORMONES,,
benz ,,you know when gh15 get to satch boogie its the end of axio right? time is ticking like a bomb
What do you know about Satch Boogie? One of the best guys in the biz until he turned scammer. Are you saying he is going to out GenXXL and Axio Labs?
benz ,,you know when gh15 get to satch boogie its the end of axio right? time is ticking like a bomb
second ,,you say you are 208 ,,you sure youre not 210? maybe 205? stop the bull crap friend,,you are 200lb at 12-15% naturally if you are naturally and that is after many years of training,,all the ones who think they are 7% bodytfat never seen it in their dream even because they dream of being 10% ,,,
natural at your numbers if true 7% is NOT NATURAL,,
infact natural as of 2000 is dead,,5'11 208 ::) 6% natural,,yes ok friend,,,tell it to the girl you try to nail on the beach right after you beged your dealer to ship products faster because you got competition coming soon,,but dont tell it to me and dont make getbiggrs think thats the way it is because its not
Yeah 7 % YEAR AROUND maybe, but its not impossible to do without drugs. Geting there is one thing but staying at 7% BF year around at a decent size IS hard, i give you that...it requires alot of dedication... Plus, have a cortisone shot handy just in case you pull a muscle patting yourself on the back
im pushing 6'2 and im anywhere between 235lbs and 242lbs at around 10% BF, i posted some vids of me here and a pic of me in my avatar you can see for yourself, and i got medical records of bloodwork every 4 months going back 3 yrs ago ( cuz of my job which i wont get into) , and the only shit i take is multivitamins, Glutamine, Beta Alanine( recently), and Luecine...not even BCAAs or any of the NO bullshit, NOT EVEN creatine... so yeah i call bullshit on your statements, just cuz you took the easy way out, dont try to generaize everyone to make yourself feel better
friendly advice from one brother in iron to another, stop referring to yourself as third person, that shits gay
Complete Bullshit and proof that you are no IFBB Pro ( PLUS YOUR STARS ARE NO LONGER BLUE ) - You just believe that about naturals because you never bothered achieving a decent 200 pound physique before you started using. You should be banned from getbig for stating such things as fact. Do you really want some teenagers blood on your hands when he hits the drugs straight away without the proper advice??!!You're the one who said Serge Numbret is possibly a lifetime natural, right? If so you are a fucking moron plain and simple.
Sine this man claims he knows what "Every single bodybuilder/person does" Can he tell me what It is that I do,lol
the reason is simple ,,it has 2 points 1: gh15 is ifbb professional with more titles than fingers you have to count 2:gh15 is god of hormones
you put this 2 together and you get in yourface truth
everyone would uses the gh15 name to promote things and to make money,,gh15 hasnt ,,this is done purely for bringing out the bad amongst us and keeping the good,,i dont need no artwoods pncil neck or palumbos wristed necks to ruin this sport,,they will be outted and finished as long as they are amongst us ,,they wont be able to lie their way to money and they can have 100 kiss assers but they dont have the most important thing and it is: LAW and LE on their side,,gh15 does!
gh15,
I have a special question, requiring your insight behind the scenes:
Ron Coleman put on more than 10 kg within 1 year - 99-2000 or 00-01 - after already doing the usual excessive AAS-Insulin-GH cocktail for more than a decade. How the hell is this possible? He couldn't just have increased the dosage. No other pro at that level had a similar development within just one year...Genetic Doping?
you didnt read through the bible called gh15 posts ,,read it and then you wont have any questions ebcause everything is answered in my 2000 posts on getbig,,
again in capital
EVERY INCH = 7 LB OF WEIGHT ON A HUMAN BEING OF THE MALE FORM,,5 POUNDS FOR FEMALE ,,NOW YOU ARE 6'2 THAT IS BORDERING ANTENA AND IS VERY TALL IN BODYBUILDING STANDARDS,,YOU ARE 235LB DOUBT NATURALLY BUT ILL TAKE YOUR WORD FOR ONLY USING SDI AND MAYBE LITTLE M1T AND LITTLE WINSTROL HERE AND THERE,,STILL! 235LB AT 6'2 IS PARALLEL AND EQUIVELENT TO 200LBAT 5'9 5'10 AND YOU SAY YOU ARE 10% WHICH IS MOST LIKLEY 13-15% ,,,SO YES IT IS POSSIBLE WITH MANY YEARS OF TRAINING AND WITH MINIMAL USE OF HORMONES HERE AND THERE,,OR BI PRODUCTS SUCH AS SDI CRAP WHICH IS AAS BUT AT LOWER DOSES,,USED TO BE
SO NEXT TIME BEFORE YOU RESPIOND READ THE BIBLE THEN COME AND RESPOND TO GH15
NATURAL IS NONE EXIOSTANT AT THE STATUS MENTIONED IN THE BEGGINING OF THE THREAD,,AND THIS IS THE KEY POINT OF DISCISSION,,NOW 235 LB AT 6'2 IS DECENT IF IT IS TRULY 10% THEN YOU BEEN TO MINIMAL DOSES OF HORMONES AND HERE AND THERE PLAYING WITH SHIT,,THATS IT
NO NEED TO ARGUE SINCE EVERYTHING I STATE IS WRITTEN IN STONE
LMAO @ bible.. Ok Arnold wannabe ::) ... your words are 40% true, 60% bullshit, im only using myself as an example, you can be 6'2 235lbs at 10%, it doesnt need steroids or anything, hence im 6'2 and weigh the same as a PRO bodybuilder of 5'8 height.... here is a video of me:
youtube.com/watch?v=QFen503IbHo
yeah yeah i know im showing off blah blah... but gh15, i wont even get into the size of my arms ( just out of curiosity, how big do you think they are, i wanna see if u know ur shit or not), but arms like that can be built without synthols, deca or whatever the hell it is people take , i agree it takes dedication, i wont get into the years and years of playing football and wrestling, as far as bodybuilding goes, i started working out with a bodybuilders mentality 3 yrs ago, and this is the result..
again i agree with you about taking time, and years of training, but its totally attainable without steroids, the difference between naturals and juicers is that when its fucking snowing a ft outside, juicers can afford to take the day off, hell have a cheat meal too while there at it, but naturals HAVE TO get their asses in the gym that day, and on top of that do a half hour of cardio too...
i dont know if you read MD, there was an article in the last issue NATURAL BODYBUILDING 101... go read that... its not easy, but its doable...
and the fucked up index you have (7lbs / inch) is fvkin bullshit, it reminds me of the doctors BMI which according to that, every single athlete is obese....
its also very wel lpossible that you were an IFBB pro, because u have the same mentality that BODYBUILDING IS ONLY ATTAINABLE VIA STEROIDS AND HGH... whatever happened to discipline and working hard at the gym? Intensity doesnt mean upping your dosage, remember that...
LMAO @ bible.. Ok Arnold wannabe ::) ... your words are 40% true, 60% bullshit, im only using myself as an example, you can be 6'2 235lbs at 10%, it doesnt need steroids or anything, hence im 6'2 and weigh the same as a PRO bodybuilder of 5'8 height.... here is a video of me:
youtube.com/watch?v=QFen503IbHo
yeah yeah i know im showing off blah blah... but gh15, i wont even get into the size of my arms ( just out of curiosity, how big do you think they are, i wanna see if u know ur shit or not), but arms like that can be built without synthols, deca or whatever the hell it is people take , i agree it takes dedication, i wont get into the years and years of playing football and wrestling, as far as bodybuilding goes, i started working out with a bodybuilders mentality 3 yrs ago, and this is the result..
again i agree with you about taking time, and years of training, but its totally attainable without steroids, the difference between naturals and juicers is that when its fucking snowing a ft outside, juicers can afford to take the day off, hell have a cheat meal too while there at it, but naturals HAVE TO get their asses in the gym that day, and on top of that do a half hour of cardio too...
i dont know if you read MD, there was an article in the last issue NATURAL BODYBUILDING 101... go read that... its not easy, but its doable...
and the fucked up index you have (7lbs / inch) is fvkin bullshit, it reminds me of the doctors BMI which according to that, every single athlete is obese....
its also very wel lpossible that you were an IFBB pro, because u have the same mentality that BODYBUILDING IS ONLY ATTAINABLE VIA STEROIDS AND HGH... whatever happened to discipline and working hard at the gym? Intensity doesnt mean upping your dosage, remember that...
This "naturals cant do this and that" bs is so anoying. I was 5'8 185 natural at 19yrs old for god sakes. And i didnt even kno how to properly bodybuild, and yes i had abs. What a reeettarrrddd...im not even genetically special..theres tons like me
gh15,
my question was none of these standard ones. Keen on learning from your expertise:
learn to paste jewtube videos you mongol
friends ,,you had the provelege to had me devote 10 seconds of my tie to watcn your video ,,you are average physiqe with bodyfat of a natural as in 13-15% with average size and been to hormones ,,
now,,what i say is not up to discussion ,,it is 100% soild information for serious bodybuilders and amatuer bodybuilders that want to be serious bodybuilders,,there is no if and was here there is only is and now,,when i say 7 lb = 1 inch of height in males i mean exactly what i say ,,when i say you are average physiqr with natural apperance yet been to hormones i also know exactly what i say,,
im not what of your getbig friends that you can talk to about how to get girls and how to say you all hard work,,keep it to getbig natural section,,as i said there is no natural in bodybuilding,,cardio for natural = maraton runner in the long run,,and in general your over all size doesnt stand for a hormonized bodybuilder since there is lack of quality to the size,,go stand to next to alex a to understand what gh15 is talking about,,or do a simple thing and stand next to matt t from this board,,both bodybuilders you will understand the differenc4,,
waste of time to even continue answering this
What do you know about Satch Boogie? One of the best guys in the biz until he turned scammer. Are you saying he is going to out GenXXL and Axio Labs?
hello mongol
is "mongol" todays word you learned, thats all you've been posting
LMAO @ bible.. Ok Arnold wannabe ::) ... your words are 40% true, 60% bullshit, im only using myself as an example, you can be 6'2 235lbs at 10%, it doesnt need steroids or anything, hence im 6'2 and weigh the same as a PRO bodybuilder of 5'8 height.... here is a video of me:How did you measure your bodyfat?
youtube.com/watch?v=QFen503IbHo
How did you measure your bodyfat?Maybe he meant 10% in each love handle? :)
Looking at your lower back here tells me you are quite a bit away from 10%
written in your ass with the sperm of your father, "gh15" ::)
gh15,igf-1 became avilable and ronnie broke his pleatue
I have a special question, requiring your insight behind the scenes:
Ron Coleman put on more than 10 kg within 1 year - 99-2000 or 00-01 - after already doing the usual excessive AAS-Insulin-GH cocktail for more than a decade. How the hell is this possible? He couldn't just have increased the dosage. No other pro at that level had a similar development within just one year...Genetic Doping?
higher doses of hgh and insulin ,,higher doses of throyd med,,higher doses of drugs in general ,,,and more frquent use of duretics exactly what heath is doing now but heath is only arms
LMAO @ bible.. Ok Arnold wannabe ::) ... your words are 40% true, 60% bullshit, im only using myself as an example, you can be 6'2 235lbs at 10%, it doesnt need steroids or anything, hence im 6'2 and weigh the same as a PRO bodybuilder of 5'8 height.... here is a video of me:
youtube.com/watch?v=QFen503IbHo
yeah yeah i know im showing off blah blah... but gh15, i wont even get into the size of my arms ( just out of curiosity, how big do you think they are, i wanna see if u know ur shit or not), but arms like that can be built without synthols, deca or whatever the hell it is people take , i agree it takes dedication, i wont get into the years and years of playing football and wrestling, as far as bodybuilding goes, i started working out with a bodybuilders mentality 3 yrs ago, and this is the result..
again i agree with you about taking time, and years of training, but its totally attainable without steroids, the difference between naturals and juicers is that when its fucking snowing a ft outside, juicers can afford to take the day off, hell have a cheat meal too while there at it, but naturals HAVE TO get their asses in the gym that day, and on top of that do a half hour of cardio too...
i dont know if you read MD, there was an article in the last issue NATURAL BODYBUILDING 101... go read that... its not easy, but its doable...
and the fucked up index you have (7lbs / inch) is fvkin bullshit, it reminds me of the doctors BMI which according to that, every single athlete is obese....
its also very wel lpossible that you were an IFBB pro, because u have the same mentality that BODYBUILDING IS ONLY ATTAINABLE VIA STEROIDS AND HGH... whatever happened to discipline and working hard at the gym? Intensity doesnt mean upping your dosage, remember that...
look guys I was with GH15 last week and this guy is something else.Other than a pro bodybuilder, yeh, we know.
As for the claim that you can't be over 200Lbs 5'10" at 8% and natural...for the most part, I'd agree, probably 99% of the time. But there is that 1% that this does not applie too...and I've got 2 good examples.
1st one, Brandon Curry...when he first started competing he was completely natural, this I know for fact...and he's no where close to 5'10" more like 5'7" and stayed over 200lbs and never over 7-8% year round. The guy didn't even really diet for his first show...decided to do it 4wks out and just sort of cleaned up a little bit. As for what he does now, I can't say because I have not been privy to this info.
Next example. He's not known like Brandon...he's just a guy I've trained with for several years. He has been natural up until 6 or so months ago...this I know for fact because we are very good friends. Last off season he bulked up to right at 250Lbs, he stands 5'10" exactly. He dietied down, naturally, down to just slightly under 5% and weighed 214lbs...I'm not sure what his BF% was at 250lbs...it was not high at all though...you could still see his abs.
Point being, these guys are out there...although they are in a very, very small minority...odds are, there is not one single guy on getbig who could fit this mold IMO...it's too rare.
BTW, they 2nd guy I talked about...I guarantee you all will be hearing about this guy in the BB world before too long. He's young and has some of the best genetics on the planet...this is fact. He stands at about 265 right now and is not a shred above 8%...give this guy another year and he will be a force.
GH15 - Im back on and can't believe the crap you spill and state as fact !!! Im 38 years of age and have been bodybuilding since I was 15 when I was a typical 160 Pounder with a usual teenagers bodyfat. Unlike guys like you who can't be bothered to work hard in the gym to build muscle, Ive been training hard and eating clean ever since and have built approx' 30 pounds of muscle. Thats less than a pound a year and you think thats not possible naturally??!! Im guessing at my bodyfat levels as frankly I couldn't care less, I may be 4-5% out, BUT my point is that I look like a bodybuilder and have built a lot of muscle over the years NATURALLY.1. you dont look like a bodybuilder you look like a chubb chub
IF you are so knowledgable - Start giving advice on the training and eating that are likely to give the young guys on here some muscle like real PROFESSIONALS do. I suspect that you are not "qualified" to do so ...
1. you dont look like a bodybuilder you look like a chubb chub
2. hormone users in most cases work a lot harder than naturals ,,but today there are no naturals ,,im talking about 1960s where hormone users worked hell of a lot harder than naturals
3. you may have gained 30lb of muscle mass and it has nothing to do with anything,,
4. the fact that you say yourself you can be 5% off estimation shows how little your knowledge of actual natural numbers is limited,,naturals dont see under 10% ,,most naturals dont even se 10%
5.i gave training advice when asked ,,nutrition doesnt matter since waxy maize and vitargo werent there in niece bottle during the 70s and bodybuilders had better developed muscle and also were bigger when ti came to true muscle,,nutrition is basics that you need to learn during your bodybuilding from trial and error
6. get out of lala land and back to reality man up look in the mirror and say hormones is muscle and muscle is hormones,,natural = jack tripper,,you know who jack tripper was? go take a look at him in 3s company thats what natural look like ,,can look amore toned but it stops right there friend
Trev: You first claim you are 5 11, 208lbs and around 6-7% bf, now suddenly you "may" be 4-5% off!? That makes you 10-12% bf which seems much more attainable as a natural.Hi. Without hydrostatic weighing, bodyfat % is all guesswork. If you check pictures of Clarence Bass in Ripped 1 which show a 4% bodyfat difference, the appearance is hardly any different - 10% bodyfat is very low. The point is that GH15 has just stated that very slightly toned as per "Jack Ripper" is the best any natural can achieve, which is total bullshit.
GH15 never said that you could'nt put on muscle as a natural, he's just calling BS on all the over the top claims of people's low bodyfat and extreme muscularity without the use of AS.
You training back today Nasser? ::);D
As for the claim that you can't be over 200Lbs 5'10" at 8% and natural...for the most part, I'd agree, probably 99% of the time. But there is that 1% that this does not applie too...and I've got 2 good examples.
1st one, Brandon Curry...when he first started competing he was completely natural, this I know for fact...and he's no where close to 5'10" more like 5'7" and stayed over 200lbs and never over 7-8% year round. The guy didn't even really diet for his first show...decided to do it 4wks out and just sort of cleaned up a little bit. As for what he does now, I can't say because I have not been privy to this info.
Next example. He's not known like Brandon...he's just a guy I've trained with for several years. He has been natural up until 6 or so months ago...this I know for fact because we are very good friends. Last off season he bulked up to right at 250Lbs, he stands 5'10" exactly. He dietied down, naturally, down to just slightly under 5% and weighed 214lbs...I'm not sure what his BF% was at 250lbs...it was not high at all though...you could still see his abs.
Point being, these guys are out there...although they are in a very, very small minority...odds are, there is not one single guy on getbig who could fit this mold IMO...it's too rare.
BTW, they 2nd guy I talked about...I guarantee you all will be hearing about this guy in the BB world before too long. He's young and has some of the best genetics on the planet...this is fact. He stands at about 265 right now and is not a shred above 8%...give this guy another year and he will be a force.
Not strictly true matey - Below 1% is the lethal level of "Essential Fat" Check www.cbass.com for all facts ..
No offence, but I think you're way off on the bodyfat levels.
I hope you realize that most pro BB's compete at 3-5%. And most female pro BB's and pro fitness competitors compete at around 7-8%.
So for your pals (Brandon Curry and this other feller) to be at 8% when in offseason mode... ::)
BTW, anything below 3% is lethal, it's the fat tissue between the intestines, surrounding the brain et al that's burning then.
How old are you anyway, 15? You constant lack of any parental guidance is very apparent....
None taken...and you're right, that is extremely low BF for off season...it's ridiculous to say the least. But that's the main reason I picked Brandon for this example...simply because he is not the normal by any means when it comes to that. I don't doubt that people would have a hard time believing all this, no big deal...I guess you'd have to meet/see him in person in the off season to be convinced.
No offence, but I think you're way off on the bodyfat levels.
I hope you realize that most pro BB's compete at 3-5%. And most female pro BB's and pro fitness competitors compete at around 7-8%.
So for your pals (Brandon Curry and this other feller) to be at 8% when in offseason mode... ::)
BTW, anything below 3% is lethal, it's the fat tissue between the intestines, surrounding the brain et al that's burning then.
the ones you describe are been in bodybuilding for logn enough time to know that nothing is growing without hormones especially past age 25 where your own hormones go into poopoo land and you need syntetics to achieve any real muscle building,,,,genetics has nothing to do with bodybuilding ,,bodybuilders are not tall in most cases and our genetic sucks when it comes to be ing compared to a truly genetically blessed guy like the wady fella or coupe ithers i have seen on this board,,bodybulders have GOOD GENETIC REPSPOND TO HORMONES AND THATS IT,,our body has the ability ,,uniqe ability to be able to take and absorb drugs to an above average extent unlike many that dont become top amatuers or professionals,,,it all has to do with hormone tolerance,,and anyone who ever been anything is and was on hormones including yuor 2 buds ,,wether its little green pills or blue pills or m1t or sdi they all been on something ,,, let me tell you a little secret friend,,a comany liek ids usa been for years pushing real low dose aas as supplements to bunch of loonateeks around the world,,no one say nothing no one cares the fda cant do shit about it because it has too much on tis hands,,
bodybuilding now days is all drugs ,,ALL DRUGS
gh15 claims that genetics has nothing to do with bodybuilding. That the rub is good genetic response to hormone and other performance enhancing compounds. OK, that makes sense. I've seen that all the time when I worked in a gym. But is it possible that someone can also have a good genetic response to weight training? That all else being equal some people just have a better genetic predisposition to getting bigger and stronger than others. And there are some, and I've seen it on the public basketball court when I lived in a predominately Black neighborhood of Inglewood, Ca., that some are just born naturally more muscular than others. There was this kid when I was growing up in Hawaii, Okinawan Japanese, who at 16 yrs and 5'6" 165 lbs benched 455lbs (with a slight bridge) and did a full squat of over 500lbs. I first saw him when he was in 7th grade and he was already built like a bodybuilder. Abs, shoulders, arms, full chest. Even the PE teachers thought he was a freak. And this was in the early 1970's when we never even heard of drugs although we read the magazines. His family was dirt poor so even if his family did know about roids, and like I said we knew nothing about drugs let alone how to get them as teens, there was no way he could afford them let alone have access to them. I don't know what his bodyfat % was but he had clear sharp abs, you could see the full kite shape trap muscles from the back and he had a clearly defined tricep even when relaxed along with a split in his bicep. He dominated as a wrestler and a fullback. We all just considered him a genetic freak as far as strength and muscle development goes. He definitely looked like a bodybuilder even as a teen and everybody would tell he should be like one of those "muscle guys like Arnold." And this was drug free.
As for the claim that you can't be over 200Lbs 5'10" at 8% and natural...for the most part, I'd agree, probably 99% of the time. But there is that 1% that this does not applie too...and I've got 2 good examples.
1st one, Brandon Curry...when he first started competing he was completely natural, this I know for fact...and he's no where close to 5'10" more like 5'7" and stayed over 200lbs and never over 7-8% year round. The guy didn't even really diet for his first show...decided to do it 4wks out and just sort of cleaned up a little bit. As for what he does now, I can't say because I have not been privy to this info.
Next example. He's not known like Brandon...he's just a guy I've trained with for several years. He has been natural up until 6 or so months ago...this I know for fact because we are very good friends. Last off season he bulked up to right at 250Lbs, he stands 5'10" exactly. He dietied down, naturally, down to just slightly under 5% and weighed 214lbs...I'm not sure what his BF% was at 250lbs...it was not high at all though...you could still see his abs.
Point being, these guys are out there...although they are in a very, very small minority...odds are, there is not one single guy on getbig who could fit this mold IMO...it's too rare.
BTW, they 2nd guy I talked about...I guarantee you all will be hearing about this guy in the BB world before too long. He's young and has some of the best genetics on the planet...this is fact. He stands at about 265 right now and is not a shred above 8%...give this guy another year and he will be a force.
and wherei s this kido today? probably not the jap since the jap was nothing until introduced to heavy doses,,you never know whats going on between closed doors,,true some hawiaians are very very VERY strong as in 400lb bench presses but they are also fatzos with lots of bodyfat% ,,their over all muscle mass is big but also their bodyfat wether it is intra cel or sub,,that kid who did this and showed full abs developed and was cut didnt have to have a lot of money to buy anything,,,in the 70s everything was like candy in a walmart ,,you go you could even steal them,,there were no bar detectors,,even today you buy ampoules of testovis for $2 sell them for 12,,,remember what you see in american is guys making sometimes 10 times the profit on very cheap hormones,,,hormones are very cheap like candy,,,dianabol can cost couple cents per tablet ,,,in the 70s thee was no fake only legit pharma grade,,,that kid was on some good legit stuff as simple as that,,thats why i always say use human grade legit products,,in the 70s it didnt cost infact the pharmas tried to push it people,,there was no regulations no control for them if you came and got yourself 100 ampoules for $20 louzy dollars ,,you would get on their best client lists and they would send you home brochures on new products,,
its hawiai my friend,,,even the poor have little money,,it is no africa of the 70s where you had to really be natural because you didnt have bread on the table,,not pharmacies to do nothing ,,in america life were always good past the 30s ,,actually even in the 30s life was good in america
so yes people can be strong,,they can show lots of strength ,,but usually the strongest people look the smallest and have horrid muscle develoment mark my words
I'm telling you gh, and I'm a fan of yours and took the time to read everyone of your post and always keep one tab open just for your latest comment, that we were just kids at the time and were very naive and uninformed. I was very involved in athletics and weight training and neither my friends or myself knew anything about gear. We never talked about it because we were just unaware. We thought Bruce Lee was huge. This guy I'm talking about looked like a bodybuilder in the 7th grade. How likely was it that a 12-13 year old had the access and funds to buy drugs? And you think their parents would buy it for them? It's not like kids today where a parent is require to buy you a car and all the latest electronics and name brand close. We were just islander hicks. And this kid was no fatty. Like I said 5'6" 165lb with clearly defined abs. And drugs were just not available to kids at that time even if we knew about it and we didn't have the money. I use to shop lift protein powder and powdered milk because I didn't have any money as a teen. I had to save for over a year to get a Sear's 110lb weight set. No way I could afford gear. And I didn't live in section 8 housing like this kid did. I ask him once what he got for Christmas and he said, with pride, a University of Hawaii Warriors T-shirt. A f-ing t-shirt and that was it! I doubt his parents would then get just him (he had four brothers who were also muscular but wasn't into training like he was) some d-bol, deca and test at 14 years old.
BTW, he went on to get a wrestling scholarship and went into business and is doing pretty well. Not everybody wants to parade out on stage oiled up in a thong and flex their muscles no matter how gifted they are. Genetics does matter. And some people never get muscular no matter what they do. Whether it's how they respond to anabolics or how they respond to resistance training. I think the freaks, like Coleman, have extraordinary response to both. He didn't get on his level on just drugs alone. Every one else was doing pretty much the same thing, i.e., training, nutrition, performance enhancing compounds, as he was, but nobody was at his level. Same with Arnold during his time. They were both blessed genetically in all aspect in regard to bodybuilding.
There was this kid when I was growing up in Hawaii, Okinawan Japanese, who at 16 yrs and 5'6" 165 lbs benched 455lbs (with a slight bridge)Are you sure you remember the poundage correctly? Come on now.
blah blahWell, you can take it or not...it's not like I have some sort of advantage in making those statments...it does nothing for me. It was simply to prove a point. Not sure how I could "prove it" to you
We're supposed to take your word for it?
Well, you can take it or not...it's not like I have some sort of advantage in making those statments...it does nothing for me. It was simply to prove a point. Not sure how I could "prove it" to you
No offence, but I think you're way off on the bodyfat levels.
I hope you realize that most pro BB's compete at 3-5%. And most female pro BB's and pro fitness competitors compete at around 7-8%.
So for your pals (Brandon Curry and this other feller) to be at 8% when in offseason mode... ::)
BTW, anything below 3% is lethal, it's the fat tissue between the intestines, surrounding the brain et al that's burning then.
Man, stop wasting your time with GH15. How about you tell us who do you think he is so we can lol @ him?GH15 does say some things that I do agree with...a lot of things. But when he makes a statement or claim that I disagree with, I will post my rebuttal. Why? Because so many here hang off his every last word as if it were all gospel truth.
GH15 does say some things that I do agree with...a lot of things. But when he makes a statement or claim that I disagree with, I will post my rebuttal. Why? Because so many here hang off his every last word as if it were all gospel truth.
...and it's not "who I think he is" I know exactly who he is...and I will speak to him in person in about 6wks. As for me outing his identity, at this point, only if he were to do something that absolutely infuriated me, such as try and bring damage into my own life. Could he do that? Maybe.
Granted, when I do confront him he may deny it, but I suspect that because of the nature of his hate for me and those I associate with that it will be very difficult for him to remain 100% silent...if nothing else, $100 says his facial expressions will give it away.
$100 you dont have the balls to expose gh15He can't expose what he doesn't know. ;)
GH15 does say some things that I do agree with...a lot of things. But when he makes a statement or claim that I disagree with, I will post my rebuttal. Why? Because so many here hang off his every last word as if it were all gospel truth.
...and it's not "who I think he is" I know exactly who he is...and I will speak to him in person in about 6wks. As for me outing his identity, at this point, only if he were to do something that absolutely infuriated me, such as try and bring damage into my own life. Could he do that? Maybe.
Granted, when I do confront him he may deny it, but I suspect that because of the nature of his hate for me and those I associate with that it will be very difficult for him to remain 100% silent...if nothing else, $100 says his facial expressions will give it away.
He can't expose what he doesn't know. ;)
Are you saying that Arnold jr is the biggest scam after gh15?For all we know gh15 = Arnold jr. ;)
For all we know gh15 = Arnold jr. ;)
$100 you dont have the balls to expose gh15It just depends on the circumstance of how things play out. I have no desire to mess his thing up for no good reason, i.e. my own entertainment.
And how did you find that out?It took a lot of digging for starters...I had to talk to the right people. Think about it though, anyone can find out anything they want to as long as they dig a little...this is not that difficult IMO.
For all we know gh15 = Arnold jr. ;)No, I'm much bigger then he is...and better looking.
Hook me up with PM...include "the name", you can trust me. ;D
No, I'm much bigger then he is...and better looking.
Complete Bullshit and proof that you are no IFBB Pro ( PLUS YOUR STARS ARE NO LONGER BLUE ) .....
Is that you in your avatar?
when were they blue?
Is that you in your avatar?
Are you sure you remember the poundage correctly? Come on now.Abso-dam-lutely! I remember it vividly because not only was I there I remember some NFL lineman from Oakland Raiders who claimed a 455lb bench. I remember saying to myself that that kid is not only stronger than a full grown man but just as strong as a f-ing NFL lineman who weighs over 250lb. There it was: Olympic bar, four plates plus a 25 on each side. He'd do 225lbs behind the neck for reps. He was a legend in his time and a freak of nature. Like I said, I remember seeing him on the beach when he was only in 7th grade and telling my friends that he looked like one of those Mr. America guys. His name was Dereck/Derek Kaneshiro and when I got to intermediate school (7th-8th grade) the PE teachers use to warn us that we shouldn't try to get muscles like Derek because it would all turn to fat when we stopped lifting weights.
yea....Boing!
i di believe you believe what you saw to be the truth ,,it may be and its from a child perspective as in 12 year old usually se thing in dif manner tha adult and it influence him oir her for life,,its like when you see terminator at age 9 and from then on arnold is super human,,,i do believe you that you believe this is to be the case with the kid
never theless,,people who live in block 10 in the getto are surrounded by drug dealers and trafickers from young age ,,their way out of this life is to be athltes and try to become the best in the getto and then go from there,,,its a vishous circle that still exist to this day and im very femiliar with it,,those kids especially in your times in 70s were surrounded with plenty of narcotics and hormones were like candy ,,legit hormones that you can walk in and steal or just get from your older brother bro that was t he neigberhood assistant dealer in cheif,,,innocence has nothing to do with it,,you lose your innocnece in the getto very fast and know how to keep yourmouth shut otherwize you will be stucj in getto for life time and end up in the same poorcondition you were born to,,
the 70s was a very good era for dealers in america,,,till today the narcotics are part of every poor neigberhood ,,,hormones are like candys there its not even considered a drug and it shouldnt,,its just very easy to get and was super easy to get in 70s because it was like getting a piece of gum it was easier to get than cigars,,
even a kid who dont know shit about shit can poop a pill in and with dianabol it means a severe stength increase,,with anavar and halo it means super human strength especially in the eyes of kids,,
now i agree most chanses are at age 12 most kids wont have the capacity ,,in general,,but in the getto kids at 12 are = 20 year olds anywhere else,,
friend i amextermly knowledgable when it comes to the human body and hormones,,it is almost immposible to show me something new that i ahevtn experienced through out my years in bodybuilding,,im also narcisistic and it comes out in bad way when i post,,never the less what i say is accurate
i do however believe you that in yuor point of view this kid was natural
This GH fellows only talent is to convince the gullible on here that he is a pro bodybuilder. The dude is a drugged up European guy with bitch tits and acne in his 20's who hasn't a clue how to build muscle the good old fashioned way.there is no need to convince anyone for i actuallyu prefer to be known as gh15 god of hormones,,right now gh15 posts is main discussion in all ajor boards on the internet and that was the idea behind gh15,,the fact im a top ifbb professional has nothing to do with what im trying to tell you for it goes in the matuer rank and in the gym rat rank also,,it goes in bodybuilding as a sport and industry,,trust me when i say that no one know who gh15 really is while in reality my name was and is spwed here right and left with admiration for years,,i am a competetive top ifbb competitor,,yes that includes o stage top toer as you like to call it on here,,the smarter guys on here already said my name 10s of times but look at top 6 competitors in last 10 years and you will find me there in this list friend
in this case then you need to read every word gh15 says and practice it as a relegion,,this is straight out of someone who has walked the walk as you call it and give you first hand not book and not bullcrap story,,first hand real life experience with what it really take to getto where so many of you dream of geting atleast physiqe wize friendIve read enough. I don't do hormones or drugs (other than alcohol) so your writings could not help me even your claims were true. I only hope that if true, you are not one of the European guys Ive admired over the years as your advice is very irresponsble.
yea....
Just because you say your 10% doesn't mean you are...This douch bag posting videos of himself is 20% bodyfat min....Anyone on here who thinks otherwise is the same guy who takes his shirt off in the locker room hitting poses telling everyone in the room how they are 10 to 12%...Most of you people are delusional...Yup.
80-90% of the people that train consistently don't look like they've ever touched a weight in their life.and that's "a fact jack" ;) and speaking of eastern europe, i'm living in eastern europe now coz i work as an english teacher, and i hate to bust your bubble, but it's not much better here... i'd put it at about 75-80%
and that's "a fact jack" ;) and speaking of eastern europe, i'm living in eastern europe now coz i work as an english teacher, and i hate to bust your bubble, but it's not much better here... i'd put it at about 75-80%
there is no need to convince anyone for i actuallyu prefer to be known as gh15 god of hormones,,right now gh15 posts is main discussion in all ajor boards on the internet and that was the idea behind gh15,,the fact im a top ifbb professional has nothing to do with what im trying to tell you for it goes in the matuer rank and in the gym rat rank also,,it goes in bodybuilding as a sport and industry,,trust me when i say that no one know who gh15 really is while in reality my name was and is spwed here right and left with admiration for years,,i am a competetive top ifbb competitor,,yes that includes o stage top toer as you like to call it on here,,the smarter guys on here already said my name 10s of times but look at top 6 competitors in last 10 years and you will find me there in this list friend
hahah.........13 year olds in the seventies juiced up. I was teen in the seventies and played football,track and wrestled and no one had access to steroids,let alone have even known about them. I also grew up in the projects.Sure there were plenty of drugs,weed ,acid,speed and mesc,etc. but steroids? Give me a fucking break. We didn't even start to know about that shit till at least the mid eighties.
Actually, I was comparing athletes. They seem tougher and more able to endure suffering. Also, I think in general they endure hardship and the knocks you get in life more so than Americans. Maybe I'm wrong and things have changed but because the standard of living is so much higher and you pretty much get all you need even if you're poor it would seem more conducive to being lazy, soft and spoiled.actually you got a good point! look at those two ukrainain fellas, the kiltchko brothers, one of them held the world heavyweight title in boxing... and he was a white guy, which is even more unbelievable ;D i'm in poland now, and here we got marius pud, in fact i saw this fella hanging outside a club signing autographs not too long ago, he seemed to have bout 6 dudes in his posse 8)
What part are you in? And how are their manners compared to Americans?
not all were in the same boat as you...we all know that guys like arnold and lee priest started juicing in their teens. and arnold was a teen in the 60s
in respond to 10s od questions repetetive ones,,here one more time so its clear for every new green and old wrinkled,,also this is my view on majority of contact sports,,here loud and clear with no need to do individual pm
it keep amazes me how freidns here sending pm afgter pm asking same exact questions,, since i know everyone read every single word come out of gh15 name i will write it here louad and clear AGAIN
EVERY SINGLE PERSON IN THE INDUSTRY OF BODYBUILDING WETHER AMATUER OR PROFESSIONAL IS ON MANY TYPE OF HORMONES AND IN MANY CASES OTHER BI PRODUCTS AND IN MANY CASES THE CURSSEE RECREATIONALS THAT IN 99% OF CASES CUASE FOR HIS OR HER ARREST AND JAIL TIME OR FINE TIME AND FOLLOWED BY PROBATION,,
EVERY SINGLE ONE OF PERSON WHO LOOK LIKE ME WETHER SMALLER OR EQUIVELENT OF SAIZE WETHER 190LB OR 290LB ,,ALL HORMONIZED,,,YES EVEN THE ONES YOU THINK ARE NATURAL LIKE THE WHATS HIS NAME LAY NORTON,,ALL HORMONIZED TO SOME DEGREE,,ALL COULDNT AND WOULDNT BE IN GYM IF DIDNT HAVE THE ABILITY TO ADVANCE,,ABILITY TO ADVANCE PAST AGE 24-25 IS A PARALLEL DEPENDENT OF HOW MANY PRODUCTS YOU CAN GET AND HOW LEGIT THEY ARE,,,
please please avoid askin me same question again,,the people you look at and think ummmis this guy take or not are ALWAYS TAKING,,even the people that you think work out real hard as in looking real hard natural workers,,,even they are on constant use of hormone and bi product help,,
naturals are not built even close to 200lb at 5'10 at 6%,,it doesnt work this way ,,,naturals stop at 170lb 5'9 8-10 % if very very lucky and in most cases even they used something to get there but its capable naturally if been doign sports and active all your life,,
please spare yoruself dumb questions and just read what gh15 write hre for im tired answering those questions
G15- Please overdose and die.
benz ,,you know when gh15 get to satch boogie its the end of axio right? time is ticking like a bomb
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EVERY SINGLE ONE OF PERSON WHO LOOK LIKE ME WETHER SMALLER OR EQUIVELENT OF SAIZE WETHER 190LB OR 290LB ,,ALL HORMONIZED,,,YES EVEN THE ONES YOU THINK ARE NATURAL LIKE THE WHATS HIS NAME LAY NORTON,,ALL HORMONIZED TO SOME DEGREE,,ALL COULDNT AND WOULDNT BE IN GYM IF DIDNT HAVE THE ABILITY TO ADVANCE,,ABILITY TO ADVANCE PAST AGE 24-25 IS A PARALLEL DEPENDENT OF HOW MANY PRODUCTS YOU CAN GET AND HOW LEGIT THEY ARE,,,
please please avoid askin me same question again,,the people you look at and think ummmis this guy take or not are ALWAYS TAKING,,even the people that you think work out real hard as in looking real hard natural workers,,,even they are on constant use of hormone and bi product help,,
naturals are not built even close to 200lb at 5'10 at 6%,,it doesnt work this way ,,,naturals stop at 170lb 5'9 8-10 % if very very lucky and in most cases even they used something to get there but its capable naturally if been doign sports and active all your life,,
please spare yoruself dumb questions and just read what gh15 write hre for im tired answering those questions
Vince Taylor!Def' not - Vince is a mate of mine and MUCH more professional.