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Special Ed : Ronnie of Dorian competed in 1998 would you have smoked him?
Ronnie Coleman : NO I think he would have kept on winning as long as he competed I don't think he would have lost.
I've been saying this for a long time ! its nice to see the champ agrees with me lol
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This thread has potential!
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This thread has potential!
This thread killed the other lol he can't argue the contrary .
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maybe Ronnie was being diplomatic? That is this white man's opinion.
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This thread killed the other lol he can't argue the contrary .
I am very curious to see how many posts this thread can get up to :)
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maybe Ronnie was being diplomatic? That is this white man's opinion.
He was being honest , he knows Yates dominated like no one else .
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Ron can't spell diplomatic, let alone work out how to be so.
TNBT
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it sounds to me like he was refering to the politics of ifbb judging, NOT the quality of their two physiques.
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on a side note ND, you're avatar is scaring the hell out of me.
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it sounds to me like he was refering to the politics of ifbb judging, NOT the quality of their two physiques.
Of course it sounds like that to you because you're a Coleman fan. the Ronnie apologists are working overtime lol
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on a side note ND, you're avatar is scaring the hell out of me.
My avatar was actually the late Heath Ledger ( r.i.p. ) as the Joker in the up coming Batman , but photobucket says I'm in the red on bandwidth
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My avatar was actually the late Heath Ledger ( r.i.p. ) as the Joker in the up coming Batman , but photobucket says I'm in the red on bandwidth
I know, it's gonna be creepy to watch the movie now.
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im not really a coleman fan. i like wheeler, cormier, levrone, shawn ray, preist, and alot more better than i like ronnie. but using the judging criteria that ifbb judges are supposed to use...ronnie 98-2005 is the best bodybuilder of all time. for my own personal physique, wheeler at the 99 noc is the best physique.
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im not really a coleman fan. i like wheeler, cormier, levrone, shawn ray, preist, and alot more better than i like ronnie. but using the judging criteria that ifbb judges are supposed to use...ronnie 98-2005 is the best bodybuilder of all time. for my own personal physique, wheeler at the 99 noc is the best physique.
Needless to say the criteria favors Yates and Wheeler 93 ASC in my opinion is his best and maybe 93 Ironman.
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it sounds to me like he was refering to the politics of ifbb judging, NOT the quality of their two physiques.
got that right: :'(
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hahah thats a funny comparison ;D
..its not really a fair comparison; but nonetheless
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but using the judging criteria that ifbb judges are supposed to use...ronnie 98-2005 is the best bodybuilder of all time.
well said.
but of course NarcissisticDumbass will disagree. ::)
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got that right: :'(
lmfao Hulkster you're fucked kid ;)
same contest !
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He's just being modest. ;D
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well said.
but of course NarcissisticDumbass will disagree. ::)
You're done kid , walk away ................game over , Coleman concedes to Dorian's superiority
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He's just being modest. ;D
No he was being honest , he said Jay must be on crack to ever think he could beat him , he would need to be reborn with better genetics , notice he didn't say that about Yates? lol for a reason
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Coleman was right.. You can't beat Politics baby..
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Hulkster! It would seem Ronnie himself just killed your multi-year 1600+ page argument.
ND won... it's over. :(
Now can we PLEASE delete the "truce" thread? :D
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Hulkster! It would seem Ronnie himself just killed your multi-year 10,000+ page thread argument.
ND won... it's over. :(
Now can we PLEASE delete the "truce" thread? :D
Go ahead lol I'm done lol
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hahah thats a funny comparison ;D
..its not really a fair comparison; but nonetheless
its funny but sad at the same time that the judging was that bad..
even Narcissistic Dumbass admits dorian should have lost in 97.
even HE knows how bad the judging was.
it probably would have continued to be bad had dorian not retired.
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Hulkster! It would seem Ronnie himself just killed your multi-year 10,000+ page thread argument.
ND won... it's over. :(
Now can we PLEASE delete the "truce" thread? :D
Great post BTW LOL
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Coleman was right.. You can't beat Politics baby..
very true: know one knows this better than Shawn Ray:
:'(
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its funny but sad at the same time that the judging was that bad..
even Narcissistic Dumbass admits dorian should have lost in 97.
even HE knows how bad the judging was.
it probably would have continued to be bad had dorian not retired.
I never once said the judging was BAD thats another one of your lies , I said he looked like shit to many torn muscles and thats why he should have lost , he was still among the biggest and the best conditioned at that show , I didn't claim it was fixed
Again you're finished ;) Ronnie has spoken
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i dont like dorian very much...ive seen his videos and i really despise guys that think its cool and tought o yell and scream and shit while they train...but i do have to give him props. he was a SICK bodybuilder.... he transformed bodybuilding, and when he was at his top he was the best bodybuilder the world had ever seen.UP UNTILL THAT TIME. not on ronnie colemans level though.
side note=
i think we will see another best ever in the next year or so. drugs just keep getting better and guys are learning how to use them much better.
the reason why we saw such a huge increase in the size of competitors in the 1990's was because of the advent of drug guru's, then the reason we saw the birth of mass monsters like nasser, ronnie, rhul, and jay is because of the introduction of insulin.... now we finally have guys that are using insulin and not getting the distention or the fucked up physiques that some of the other guys experienced. just imagine if ronnie held onto his 97 waist(before he fucked with insulin) and achieved his 2004 size??!! well, that is the type of physiques we are now going to be seeing...because we have guys with ronnies genetic potential (phil heath and dennis wolf) who are starting to use insulin in a way that isnt distending them at all. in a few years we will have the next "best ever"
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very true: know one knows this better than Shawn Ray:
:'(
Look at Hulkster trying to do damage control you can't recover from this
Special Ed : Ronnie of Dorian competed in 1998 would you have smoked him?
Ronnie Coleman : NO I think he would have kept on winning as long as he competed I don't think he would have lost.
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it is probably true, the judges awarded dorian looking like total garbage in 97, why would they stop in 98, even though a 98 ronnie would have DESTROYED a 97 dorian?:
they weren't out to be accurate or fair. they were just doing what they were told.
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it is probably true, the judges awarded dorian looking like total garbage in 97, why would they stop in 98, even though a 98 ronnie would have DESTROYED a 97 dorian?:
they weren't out to be accurate or fair. they were just doing what they were told.
lmfao Special Ed : Ronnie of Dorian competed in 1998 would you have smoked him?
Ronnie Coleman : NO I think he would have kept on winning as long as he competed I don't think he would have lost. ;)
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NO I think he would have kept on winning as long as he competed I don't think he would have lost.
he says he would NOT HAVE LOST.
NOT THAT HE HAD A BETTER PHYSIQUE.
you are putting words into ronnie's mouth. these are two different things all together. he said the former, NOT the latter.
sounds like the getbiggers are right:
Ronnie knew the politics of dorian's post tear reign.
its blood obvious:
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he says he would NOT HAVE LOST.
NOT THAT HE HAD A BETTER PHYSIQUE.
you are putting words into ronnie's mouth. these are two different things all together. he said the former, NOT the latter.
sounds like the getbiggers are right:
Ronnie knew the politics of dorian's post tear reign.
its blood obvious:
shut the fuck up with your ronnie shit already, hes a washed up old man !
move the fuck on, ronnie is over and done with and soon to be a poor blackman after his divorce!
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isn't it funny how ND's lack of reading comprehension skills and low intelligence comes out in every single thread he posts in?
ronnie says dorian would not have lost (even in his torn up horrible state) - an clear and obvious nod to the politics of the day that allowed dorian to win in the first place in 1997 - and now ND makes the leap to claiming that Ronnie says dorian had a better physique than Ronnie did in 98 - even in his torn up form.
LMAO.
no wonder this idiot never went to university.
it shows in every one of his posts LOL
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he says he would NOT HAVE LOST.
NOT THAT HE HAD A BETTER PHYSIQUE.
you are putting words into ronnie's mouth. these are two different things all together. he said the former, NOT the latter.
sounds like the getbiggers are right:
Ronnie knew the politics of dorian's post tear reign.
its blood obvious:
lmfao don't presume to speak for Ronnie its an old tactic of yours he said he would have kept winning , he told Jay he must be on crack to think he could ever beat him , Yates he concedes to for a reason ;)
posting slanted comparisons prove nothing except how desperate you've become lol
you should have listed to me lol ;)
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shut the fuck up with your ronnie shit already, hes a washed up old man !
move the fuck on, ronnie is over and done with and soon to be a poor blackman after his divorce!
great post !
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isn't it funny how ND's lack of reading comprehension skills and low intelligence comes out in every single thread he posts in?
ronnie says dorian would not have lost (even in his torn up horrible state) - an clear and obvious nod to the politics of the day that allowed dorian to win in the first place in 1997 - and now ND makes the leap to claiming that Ronnie says dorian had a better physique than Ronnie did in 98 - even in his torn up form.
LMAO.
no wonder this idiot never went to university.
it shows in every one of his posts LOL
boo-hoo I lost so bad lol sucker walk away in shame loser
Special Ed : Ronnie of Dorian competed in 1998 would you have smoked him?
Ronnie Coleman : NO I think he would have kept on winning as long as he competed I don't think he would have lost.
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In all honesty, the argument is OLD! Either one will give in and they will just keep on arguing. I personally think Levrone OWNS both of them :)
I have always admired his physique out of all the bbers.
(http://www.inbfnys.com/images/levrone.jpg)
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In all honesty, the argument is OLD! Either one will give in and they will just keep on arguing.
There's nothing left for them to argue about. Ronnie himself settled the matter yeaterday!
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In all honesty, the argument is OLD! Either one will give in and they will just keep on arguing. I personally think Levrone OWNS both of them :)
I have always admired his physique out of all the bbers.
[youtubehttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jiDGfokc06U][/youtube]
(http://www.inbfnys.com/images/levrone.jpg)
I proved my point there is NO argument lol they can lock the truce thread if they'd like . he's finished stick a fork in him.
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guys.. dorian himself admitted that he could not have beaten ronnie at his prime.. now that comes from a dorian interview.. so both guys say they could have beat each other..
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guys.. dorian himself admitted that he could not have beaten ronnie at his prime.. now that comes from a dorian interview.. so both guys say they could have beat each other..
Wrong he didn't say that , they asked if Ronnie would beat him he said yeah I guess I don't know , its a very hard question for me to answer , nice try though.
Special Ed : Ronnie of Dorian competed in 1998 would you have smoked him?
Ronnie Coleman : NO I think he would have kept on winning as long as he competed I don't think he would have lost.
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There's nothing left for them to argue about. Ronnie himself settled the matter yeaterday!
Thank god "Light weight" "aint nutin but a peanut"
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guys.. dorian himself admitted that he could not have beaten ronnie at his prime.. now that comes from a dorian interview.. so both guys say they could have beat each other..
4. A lot of people say that you are the only pro bodybuilder that could go head to head with Ronnie Coleman. Like him, you were the only other to be able to gain so much mass in one year. What are your thoughts on this?
A. I get asked that question all the time, and I can’t really give an answer. I have actually beaten Ronnie, but then he wasn’t at the stage he is now. He is probably carrying more muscle than I did, but I feel I had better conditioning than him. It would be close but that’s down to the judge’s decision as always. All the things that we have in common – Lee Haney, Ronnie Coleman and myself – is that we are all stable mentally, training hard, not messing around partying. You have to keep the focus and it’s usually the mind that is the deciding factor, over physical capabilities.
Yates on the topic.
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Ronnie is absolutely correct - there's no way he could have overcome the near 30lb difference.
I also love how sulkster always posts the worst pictures he can find. Those 2 that ND posted are amazing.
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Special Ed : Ronnie of Dorian competed in 1998 would you have smoked him?
Ronnie Coleman : NO I think he would have kept on winning as long as he competed I don't think he would have lost.
I've been saying this for a long time ! its nice to see the champ agrees with me lol
Hulkster was totally owned by ND suckmymuslce and the rest of us who know Dorian would have beat him.
If Ronnie admits it, so should they.
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Shut the fuck up already.
Ronnie was being humble for this old chap:
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I love how the nuthuggers are all freaking out as if one quote from Ronnie (about politics) can erase the fact that dorian in his 1997 form would be KILLED by Ronnie 98 without even so much as a second thought.
I mean, honestly: ::)
typically, ND and Co. rely on QUOTES ONLY that are totally PROVEN WRONG BY REALITY:
PLEASE tell me you are not stupid enough to agree that dorian in his 97 torn up shape could have won against Ronnie 98.
please.
this is a stupid thread, just like the truce thread, because once again, real life visuals don't mean anything according to ND.
thats why he ran away from the truce thread.
Quotes are useless when real life shows otherwise:
97 dorian vs 98 Ronnie.
end of thread:
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I love how the nuthuggers are all freaking out as if one quote from Ronnie (about politics) can erase the fact that dorian in his 1997 form would be KILLED by Ronnie 98 without even so much as a second thought.
I mean, honestly: ::)
typically, ND and Co. rely on QUOTES ONLY that are totally PROVEN WRONG BY REALITY:
PLEASE tell me you are not stupid enough to agree that dorian in his 97 torn up shape could have won against Ronnie 98.
please.
this is a stupid thread, just like the truce thread, because once again, real life visuals don't mean anything according to ND.
thats why he ran away from the truce thread.
Quotes are useless when real life shows otherwise:
97 dorian vs 98 Ronnie.
end of thread:
You don't know a god damn thing about real life visuals. Real life visuals means live and in person.
Your fear of Yates is brutally evident by how you stick to this thread defending your hero LOL.
You would hold a hell of a lot more credibility if you were actually at the show. Funny thing is, there were 2 members who posted in the Truce thread who saw both in their primes, both said Yates would win. One was at the 93O and 01ASC the other was at the 97 and 99O.
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LOL, you guys actually believe that yates would of kept on winning after 97' because Ronnie said so even though yates had 3 major injuries? The majority of people think that yates lost in 97, but because Ronnie says dorian would of kept on winning, you guys believe it even though you guys think yates should of lost? LOL, this shyt will never end with you morons.
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Hulkster, stop sucking ronnie's dick already it's getting sad.
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Another GBer posted this and it is part of what I wanted to point out in this post:
"ronnie would appear arrogant if he said otherwise in my opinion, very disrespectful. ronnie usually says great things about his competition. still just ronnies opinion like mcdoughs and the others, the quotes are useless, the pics are use full."
Ronnie has always been this way when asked
such questions. Here he is asked the same question
in 2001 and says Arnold, Haney and Yates all would
have beaten him in their primes.
5. Q. This is my last question for you Ronnie, and it's quite "hypothetical" but I believe it is a good one. Let's say that it would be possible to have a bodybuilding contest where the only competitors would be you, Arnold Schwarzenegger, Lee Haney, and Dorian Yates, and all of you in their prime condition. Who do you believe would win?
R.C. Come on now, this is the age of Ronnie Coleman who else would win... but I couldn't have beat them in their hey days.
Link http://creditplushealth.org/health%20education%20content/ronnie%20coleman%20beating%20arnold.htm (http://creditplushealth.org/health%20education%20content/ronnie%20coleman%20beating%20arnold.htm)
As far as him entering the Arnold in 2009, I hope someone close to him
encourages him not too. I'm afraid that age and injuries have made him beyond repair.
He can't even do a back lat spread anymore I'm afraid to say.
Check it out...It's only a minute long.
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I love how the nuthuggers are all freaking out as if one quote from Ronnie (about politics) can erase the fact that dorian in his 1997 form would be KILLED by Ronnie 98 without even so much as a second thought.
I mean, honestly: ::)
typically, ND and Co. rely on QUOTES ONLY that are totally PROVEN WRONG BY REALITY:
PLEASE tell me you are not stupid enough to agree that dorian in his 97 torn up shape could have won against Ronnie 98.
please.
this is a stupid thread, just like the truce thread, because once again, real life visuals don't mean anything according to ND.
thats why he ran away from the truce thread.
Quotes are useless when real life shows otherwise:
97 dorian vs 98 Ronnie.
end of thread:
Resolved.
Hulkster has beaten ND like a red headed step child more times than I can remember.
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Another GBer posted this and it is part of what I wanted to point out in this post:
"ronnie would appear arrogant if he said otherwise in my opinion, very disrespectful. ronnie usually says great things about his competition. still just ronnies opinion like mcdoughs and the others, the quotes are useless, the pics are use full."
Ronnie has always been this way when asked
such questions. Here he is asked the same question
in 2001 and says Arnold, Haney and Yates all would
have beaten him in their primes.
5. Q. This is my last question for you Ronnie, and it's quite "hypothetical" but I believe it is a good one. Let's say that it would be possible to have a bodybuilding contest where the only competitors would be you, Arnold Schwarzenegger, Lee Haney, and Dorian Yates, and all of you in their prime condition. Who do you believe would win?
R.C. Come on now, this is the age of Ronnie Coleman who else would win... but I couldn't have beat them in their hey days.
Link http://creditplushealth.org/health%20education%20content/ronnie%20coleman%20beating%20arnold.htm (http://creditplushealth.org/health%20education%20content/ronnie%20coleman%20beating%20arnold.htm)
As far as him entering the Arnold in 2009, I hope someone close to him
encourages him not too. I'm afraid that age and injuries have made him beyond repair.
He can't even do a back lat spread anymore I'm afraid to say.
Check it out...It's only a minute long.
It's like yates saying that if Lee Haney decided to continue, he would of kept on winning. Everyone knows Lee barely won in 91' and that was his last Mr. Olympia that he could of won. There is no way Lee would of won in 92, 93 and on. Same shyt goes for yates. There is no way yates would of won in 98, 99 and on with all of those major injuries.
It's quite sad to see him with injuries, but like you said, someone close to him should tell him to call it quits. I just don't know why he can't hit the full latspread anymore. Does the muscle hurt or the muscle just doesn't react?
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The thing I don't get is Hulk showing a pic of yates absolutely dwarfing ray as a defence (go hulk but i think your running out of argument). This is a hypothetical it implies yates would have recovered from his injuries and competed,back then he couldn't but with todays surgery he could have.Pictures do not do Yates justice video is very different.
In 98 coleman was only 250lb Yates would be 260+ and so bloody hard.Coleman in 1999 was near perfect after 2000 he got big but never really hit a overall peak again he would get his glutes and hams in but not his back.
I would like to see yates with his pulled in rear double bi up against colemans wide lates on video, now that would be something to argue about .
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The only way to be a 6,7,8 time Mr. Olympia in the face of great competition (Haney doesn't count, he faced midgets) is to end up destroying your body. It's the only way you can stay on top, to keep pushing the limits until you break.
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This thread has potential!
What is the name of the woman in your avatar please?
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4. A lot of people say that you are the only pro bodybuilder that could go head to head with Ronnie Coleman. Like him, you were the only other to be able to gain so much mass in one year. What are your thoughts on this?
A. I get asked that question all the time, and I can’t really give an answer. I have actually beaten Ronnie, but then he wasn’t at the stage he is now. He is probably carrying more muscle than I did, but I feel I had better conditioning than him. It would be close but that’s down to the judge’s decision as always. All the things that we have in common – Lee Haney, Ronnie Coleman and myself – is that we are all stable mentally, training hard, not messing around partying. You have to keep the focus and it’s usually the mind that is the deciding factor, over physical capabilities.
Yates on the topic.
All that proves is Ronnie Coleman is much more modest than Dorian Yates. For Dorian to say that "it would be close" is delusional of him....maybe it would be close if he was in his 93 form but would not be close at all in his 97 form especially.
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Another GBer posted this and it is part of what I wanted to point out in this post:
"ronnie would appear arrogant if he said otherwise in my opinion, very disrespectful. ronnie usually says great things about his competition. still just ronnies opinion like mcdoughs and the others, the quotes are useless, the pics are use full."
Ronnie has always been this way when asked
such questions. Here he is asked the same question
in 2001 and says Arnold, Haney and Yates all would
have beaten him in their primes.
5. Q. This is my last question for you Ronnie, and it's quite "hypothetical" but I believe it is a good one. Let's say that it would be possible to have a bodybuilding contest where the only competitors would be you, Arnold Schwarzenegger, Lee Haney, and Dorian Yates, and all of you in their prime condition. Who do you believe would win?
R.C. Come on now, this is the age of Ronnie Coleman who else would win... but I couldn't have beat them in their hey days.
Link http://creditplushealth.org/health%20education%20content/ronnie%20coleman%20beating%20arnold.htm (http://creditplushealth.org/health%20education%20content/ronnie%20coleman%20beating%20arnold.htm)
As far as him entering the Arnold in 2009, I hope someone close to him
encourages him not too. I'm afraid that age and injuries have made him beyond repair.
He can't even do a back lat spread anymore I'm afraid to say.
Check it out...It's only a minute long.
When was this taken? I'm assuming its a very recent guest posing? He looks smaller and I was shocked at the lat spread....I honestly kept waiting thinking when is he going to flex his lats then at the end realized he was! What can cause that? Is it just by tears? ???
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All that proves is Ronnie Coleman is much more modest than Dorian Yates. For Dorian to say that "it would be close" is delusional of him....maybe it would be close if he was in his 93 form but would not be close at all in his 97 form especially.
Ronnie doesn't know a thing about modesty. What kind of modest man goes around claiming that his competitors are smoking crack, especially since Jay was damn close to beating Ronnie in 01 and 05 (maybe even 04 too)
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Ronnie doesn't know a thing about modesty. What kind of modest man goes around claiming that his competitors are smoking crack, especially since Jay was damn close to beating Ronnie in 01 and 05 (maybe even 04 too)
Ronnie is probably the most humble Mr. Olympia ever - it's already been quoted in this thread that he said he would not have been able to beat several past Mr. O's even though he and we all know he would have. He also never made any strong predictions as to whether he would continue winning the Mr. Olympia or not. As for those years you quoted, NONE of Ronnie's wins were nearly as contraversial as Dorian's 97 win.
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When was this taken? I'm assuming its a very recent guest posing? He looks smaller and I was shocked at the lat spread....I honestly kept waiting thinking when is he going to flex his lats then at the end realized he was! What can cause that? Is it just by tears? ???
Well if it is nerve damage like people are saying, it seems pretty serious. It appears as if his whole left side of his back has seazed up and cannot flex. I mean it looked like he didn't even finish the pose, but I'm pretty sure he did. Hopefully the break he takes this year will fix things up for him.
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Well if it is nerve damage like people are saying, it seems pretty serious. It appears as if his whole left side of his back has seazed up and cannot flex. I mean it looked like he didn't even finish the pose, but I'm pretty sure he did. Hopefully the break he takes this year will fix things up for him.
Was his lat spread anything like that at the 07 Mr. O? :-\
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Ronnie is probably the most humble Mr. Olympia ever - it's already been quoted in this thread that he said he would not have been able to beat several past Mr. O's even though he and we all know he would have. He also never made any strong predictions as to whether he would continue winning the Mr. Olympia or not. As for those years you quoted, NONE of Ronnie's wins were nearly as contraversial as Dorian's 97 win.
You're just like Hulkster a delusional fan boy , NONE of Ronnie wins were nearly controversial as 1997 ::) you played yourself with this garbage
bottom line Ronnie could have said a lot of things , he could have said " I'm not sure " or " its to hard to say " he said Special Ed : Ronnie of Dorian competed in 1998 would you have smoked him?
Ronnie Coleman : NO I think he would have kept on winning as long as he competed I don't think he would have lost.
Dorian Yates was a winning machine he beat Ronnie eight times Ronnie knows who the superior bodybuilder was , again he wouldn't entertain even hypothetically that there was even the slightest chance Jay Cutler could ever beat him , he said Jay is on crack to think he could ever beat him and he would be need to be reborn with better genetics to beat him , notice he never said this about Yates , for a reason.
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Hulkster, stop sucking ronnie's dick already it's getting sad.
Great post !
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You don't know a god damn thing about real life visuals. Real life visuals means live and in person.
Your fear of Yates is brutally evident by how you stick to this thread defending your hero LOL.
You would hold a hell of a lot more credibility if you were actually at the show. Funny thing is, there were 2 members who posted in the Truce thread who saw both in their primes, both said Yates would win. One was at the 93O and 01ASC the other was at the 97 and 99O.
JohnnyTosh GetBig 12-20-07
Hulkster, I have one question for you? .... Were you there in Long Beach in 97? Because I was. AND I was there in 93 & 95 in Atlanta & 96 in Chicago. It's been said a million times. Yates has a Thickness & density from every angle that had to be seen in person, and that NOBODY else had.
I think Milos is awesome. I would LOVE to have his body, but Yates smoked everybody in the totality of ALL poses. From the side & from the back, yates crushed everybody.
Unless you were there, you cannot really say accurately. BTW, Demilia gave me tickets right behind the judges every year.
Not flaming, but Yates reigned supreme.. YES. HIS GUT was sticking out in 97 & Nasser looked as good, or maybe a hair better from the front in 97, but when they turned to the side & rear, DORIAN ruled again.
lol Hulkster keeps getting bitch slapped at every turn lol
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You're just like Hulkster a delusional fan boy , NONE of Ronnie wins were nearly controversial as 1997 ::) you played yourself with this garbage
bottom line Ronnie could have said a lot of things , he could have said " I'm not sure " or " its to hard to say " he said Special Ed : Ronnie of Dorian competed in 1998 would you have smoked him?
Ronnie Coleman : NO I think he would have kept on winning as long as he competed I don't think he would have lost.
Dorian Yates was a winning machine he beat Ronnie eight times Ronnie knows who the superior bodybuilder was , again he wouldn't entertain even hypothetically that there was even the slightest chance Jay Cutler could ever beat him , he said Jay is on crack to think he could ever beat him and he would be need to be reborn with better genetics to beat him , notice he never said this about Yates , for a reason.
lol I'm not even going to get into this, arguing that Dorian Yates would have continued beating Ronnie from 98 onwards (and not recognizing Ronnie's obvious modesty over the question) is about as dumb as trying to argue that Nasser is broke!
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YES. HIS GUT was sticking out in 97 & Nasser looked as good, or maybe a hair better from the front in 97
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Nasser ruled Dorian from the front FAR more than Dorian beat Nasser from the back in 97.
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Was his lat spread anything like that at the 07 Mr. O? :-\
(http://www.musculardevelopment.com/photos/transferred/QW5Q2630_JPPUMWVMQI.jpg)
It wasn't as bad, but there was something definietly wrong with it
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Nasser ruled Dorian from the front FAR more than Dorian beat Nasser from the back in 97.
No he had a better ab-thigh and front double biceps , not front latspread oh and you forgot about the sides and the back , so nice try it doesn't matter .
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Damn.
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LOL, you guys actually believe that yates would of kept on winning after 97' because Ronnie said so even though yates had 3 major injuries? The majority of people think that yates lost in 97, but because Ronnie says dorian would of kept on winning, you guys believe it even though you guys think yates should of lost? LOL, this shyt will never end with you morons.
yeah, pretty stupid eh?
these guys have no visual evidence on their side in either videos or pics, on this or the truce thread.
we have quotes on both sides of the argument and all over the place in terms of who was in their best shape in a particular year.
yet these idiots are too damn stupid to realize that you can't pick and choose which quotes to accept just because they fit your side.
picking one quote over another is just as valid (thus, not valid at all in term of evaluating physiques - we have to go to real life to do that)
but these idiots are too damn stupid.
this thread and the truce thread should be posters for the benefits of a post secondary education. ND has none and its clear why.
the morons picking and choosing which quotes to accept and when don't seem to understand that you can't do that when you have quotes everywhere on both sides, and most importantly you prove yourselves WRONG when the particular quote you choose HAS NO VISUAL SUPPORT WHAT SO EVER!.
that is what is so crazy about all this.
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Nasser ruled Dorian from the front FAR more than Dorian beat Nasser from the back in 97.
lol a hair better?
ND is such a tool.
Nasser owned dorian from the front in 97.
so did Shawn ray.
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Shawn was nearly perfect.
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No one stays on top forever.
After Ronnie stating that Haney and Arnold would beat
him in their primes it's foolish to think Ronnie wasn't
being humble in his remark on the radio show. After 2003
he did get more cocky but his loss in 2006 brought back the old
humility. It didn't happen right away, espescially right after
the Olympia but it was very evident in interviews after several
months had gone by.
Here's a good example of why he should not compete again.
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I agree it's a worthless thread and should have been
debated in the truce thread.
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it sounds to me like he was refering to the politics of ifbb judging, NOT the quality of their two physiques.
You'd have to be sufficiently aware of this reality to be able to avoid taking the words seriously. IFBB/Weider shills tend to live in dreamworlds on this issue.
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Hulkster! It would seem Ronnie himself just killed your multi-year 1600+ page argument.
ND won... it's over. :(
Now can we PLEASE delete the "truce" thread? :D
Uh, if that were so it was dead over 1,000 pages ago when Yates said same about Coleman.
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In 98 coleman was only 250lb Yates would be 260+ and so bloody hard.Coleman in 1999 was near perfect after 2000 he got big but never really hit a overall peak again he would get his glutes and hams in but not his back.
I would like to see yates with his pulled in rear double bi up against colemans wide lates on video, now that would be something to argue about .
Well, in this comparison and the others i've just posted all that's there is Yates being destroyed. ;D
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Ronnie kills Dorian Yates
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Ronnie kills Dorian Yates
LOL
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What is Ronnie of Dorian?
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No he had a better ab-thigh and front double biceps , not front latspread oh and you forgot about the sides and the back , so nice try it doesn't matter .
Actually, Nasser beat Dorian in the front latspread too. The ONLY mandatory pose that Dorian beat Nasser in 97 was the rear lat spread, not even the rear double bi's and nothing from the front or side.
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Actually, Nasser beat Dorian in the front latspread too. The ONLY mandatory pose that Dorian beat Nasser in 97 was the rear lat spread, not even the rear double bi's and nothing from the front or side.
yeah sure he did Yates won with straight firsts kid , I hope this helps ;)
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yeah, pretty stupid eh?
these guys have no visual evidence on their side in either videos or pics, on this or the truce thread.
we have quotes on both sides of the argument and all over the place in terms of who was in their best shape in a particular year.
yet these idiots are too damn stupid to realize that you can't pick and choose which quotes to accept just because they fit your side.
picking one quote over another is just as valid (thus, not valid at all in term of evaluating physiques - we have to go to real life to do that)
but these idiots are too damn stupid.
this thread and the truce thread should be posters for the benefits of a post secondary education. ND has none and its clear why.
the morons picking and choosing which quotes to accept and when don't seem to understand that you can't do that when you have quotes everywhere on both sides, and most importantly you prove yourselves WRONG when the particular quote you choose HAS NO VISUAL SUPPORT WHAT SO EVER!.
that is what is so crazy about all this.
:'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'(
thats all you have left because I own you , Ronnie owns you . ;)
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ronnie is much better than dorian
actually
flex, nasser, ray were all better than dorian
dorian just sucked the best dick is why he was mr. o
hope this helps
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ronnie is much better than dorian
actually
flex, nasser, ray were all better than dorian
dorian just sucked the best dick is why he was mr. o
hope this helps
Ronnie disagrees lol
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Taken out of FLEX nov 1999, page 90. interview by jim schmaltz with ronnie before the 99 Olympia.
Jim: What would have happened last year if Dorian Yates (recently retired winner of 6 straight Mr. Olympias) had competed?
Ronnie: Dorian would have won again.
Jim: You think so?
Ronnie: I know so. Dorian has a big physique - hard- and he's been the man to beat, and its hard to knock the champion off the block. He's a big guy and has a lot going for him. He overcame so many adversities, like his torn biceps, I couldnt see too much else stopping him.
lmfao this is just getting worse for the Coleman nut-huggers couple this with Ronnie's latest quote and you have massive ownage its shock & awe on getbig
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Here we go again :-\
this is becoming the second truce thread >:(
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Taken out of FLEX nov 1999, page 90. interview by jim schmaltz with ronnie before the 99 Olympia.
Jim: What would have happened last year if Dorian Yates (recently retired winner of 6 straight Mr. Olympias) had competed?
Ronnie: Dorian would have won again.
Jim: You think so?
Ronnie: I know so. Dorian has a big physique - hard- and he's been the man to beat, and its hard to knock the champion off the block. He's a big guy and has a lot going for him. He overcame so many adversities, like his torn biceps, I couldnt see too much else stopping him.
lmfao this is just getting worse for the Coleman nut-huggers couple this with Ronnie's latest quote and you have massive ownage its shock & awe on getbig
please post some visual evidence of dorian 97 owning Ronnie 99.
please do.
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please post some visual evidence of dorian 97 owning Ronnie 99.
please do.
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who anything about 97? NO ONE ! Ronnie said if Dorian kept competition he would keep on winning
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i dont like dorian very much...ive seen his videos and i really despise guys that think its cool and tought o yell and scream and shit while they train...but i do have to give him props. he was a SICK bodybuilder.... he transformed bodybuilding, and when he was at his top he was the best bodybuilder the world had ever seen.UP UNTILL THAT TIME. not on ronnie colemans level though.
side note=
i think we will see another best ever in the next year or so. drugs just keep getting better and guys are learning how to use them much better.
the reason why we saw such a huge increase in the size of competitors in the 1990's was because of the advent of drug guru's, then the reason we saw the birth of mass monsters like nasser, ronnie, rhul, and jay is because of the introduction of insulin.... now we finally have guys that are using insulin and not getting the distention or the fucked up physiques that some of the other guys experienced. just imagine if ronnie held onto his 97 waist(before he fucked with insulin) and achieved his 2004 size??!! well, that is the type of physiques we are now going to be seeing...because we have guys with ronnies genetic potential (phil heath and dennis wolf) who are starting to use insulin in a way that isnt distending them at all. in a few years we will have the next "best ever"
Dizzle, dont talk shit about Leroy Davis (Yates training partner). Yates never screamed but Leroy did. Got Yates to crank out another rep, another negative etc. IT IS NOT ABOUT BEING "COOL".
the drugs are not getting better, where do you get this shit from? is there some super test that came out that we dont know about? no. name the top 10 steroids ever and that is what you will see is what is making physics yesterday and today and in the future. test, deca, d-bol, eq, tren etc.
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Ronnie is probably the most humble Mr. Olympia ever - it's already been quoted in this thread that he said he would not have been able to beat several past Mr. O's even though he and we all know he would have. He also never made any strong predictions as to whether he would continue winning the Mr. Olympia or not. As for those years you quoted, NONE of Ronnie's wins were nearly as contraversial as Dorian's 97 win.
2001
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yates winning after 97' is almost as funny as what Boyer said the other day:
"Once he told me that at his best, like in his prime time he could beat physique wise guys like Wheeler and Yates easily. They, he said had only better drugs than he had at his time."
Get your f*ucking head out of yates a$$ and get back to reality. Here is a hint for you morons. Why do you think yates retired? Because he had too many damn injuries/surgeries. LOL, he barely won half of his Olympias due to injuries. All this time you people didn't even think about yates winning after 97' (hell, he shouldn't even have won in 97 anyway) and now just because you morons find a quote, you actually think he would would of kept on winning? LOL. I guess because I found Boyer's quote (the one above), you think he would of easily beat guys like Flex and yates? Hell No. Get back to real life.
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Ronnie Coleman Admits he couldn't beat Dorian Yates
Well...to be fair, none of us at TEAM COLEMAN have been praising Ronnie for his intelligence. ;D
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yates winning after 97' is almost as funny as what Boyer said the other day:
"Once he told me that at his best, like in his prime time he could beat physique wise guys like Wheeler and Yates easily. They, he said had only better drugs than he had at his time."
Get your f*ucking head out of yates a$$ and get back to reality. Here is a hint for you morons. Why do you think yates retired? Because he had too many damn injuries/surgeries. LOL, he barely won half of his Olympias due to injuries. All this time you people didn't even think about yates winning after 97' (hell, he shouldn't even have won in 97 anyway) and now just because you morons find a quote, you actually think he would would of kept on winning? LOL. I guess because I found Boyer's quote (the one above), you think he would of easily beat guys like Flex and yates? Hell No. Get back to real life.
I am really enjoying watching all the Coleman nut-huggers meltdown one by one :)
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Well...to be fair, none of us at TEAM COLEMAN have been praising Ronnie for his intelligence. ;D
Team Nasser will see you sleeping with the enemy
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Ronnie was simply being polite. He would have beat Dorian and rather easily.
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it probably would have continued to be bad had dorian not retired.
THEN EXPLAIN 2001.
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THEN EXPLAIN 2001.
Hulkster = owned
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Ronnie was simply being polite. He would have beat Dorian and rather easily.
then what the fuck was he doing when he told jay LIVE on ppv to be reborn with better genetics????????
stop telling us what people are really saying when they say something totally opposite.
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then what the fuck was he doing when he told jay LIVE on ppv to be reborn with better genetics????????
stop telling us what people are really saying when they say something totally opposite.
Exactly if Ronnie said he would beat Dorian ONLY then would be be right and honest , what else can then say? they invested all this time and effort for nothing lol
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Why is this thread still going?
ND was declared the winner of the "feud" by none other than Ronnie Coleman himself.
Game over!
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Why is this thread still going?
ND was declared the winner of the "feud" by none other than Ronnie Coleman himself.
Game over!
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You have to let these guys down easily
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yates winning after 97' is almost as funny as what Boyer said the other day:
"Once he told me that at his best, like in his prime time he could beat physique wise guys like Wheeler and Yates easily. They, he said had only better drugs than he had at his time."
Get your f*ucking head out of yates a$$ and get back to reality. Here is a hint for you morons. Why do you think yates retired? Because he had too many damn injuries/surgeries. LOL, he barely won half of his Olympias due to injuries. All this time you people didn't even think about yates winning after 97' (hell, he shouldn't even have won in 97 anyway) and now just because you morons find a quote, you actually think he would would of kept on winning? LOL. I guess because I found Boyer's quote (the one above), you think he would of easily beat guys like Flex and yates? Hell No. Get back to real life.
exellent post.
the nuthuggers don't seem to understand that ANY quote is bullshit if real life contradicts it.
notice: they haven't posted visuals of dorian to put up against Ronnie 99 in ages.
all they do is post a few quotes.
there is a REASON for that:
dorian gets killed.
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exellent post.
the nuthuggers don't seem to understand that ANY quote is bullshit if real life contradicts it.
notice: they haven't posted visuals of dorian to put up against Ronnie 99 in ages.
all they do is post a few quotes.
there is a REASON for that:
dorian gets killed.
lmfao all they do is post quotes , the quotes SILENCE anything you ever typed or posted , Ronnie moments before the 99 Olympia stated he couldn't beat Yates LMFAO what now? yeah I thought so
Taken out of FLEX nov 1999, page 90. interview by jim schmaltz with ronnie before the 99 Olympia.
Jim: What would have happened last year if Dorian Yates (recently retired winner of 6 straight Mr. Olympias) had competed?
Ronnie: Dorian would have won again.
Jim: You think so?
Ronnie: I know so. Dorian has a big physique - hard- and he's been the man to beat, and its hard to knock the champion off the block. He's a big guy and has a lot going for him. He overcame so many adversities, like his torn biceps, I couldnt see too much else stopping him.
You think so? Ronnie I know so. lol 99 Olympia so much for everything you ever typed . ;)
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ND stop avoiding my question:
do you AGREE that dorian would have kept winning after 97?
and if so,
why? politics or would he actually have been deserving?
because I find it really really funny that you would be stupid enough to agree with Ronnie that dorian's late career form would even come CLOSE: to top 3 in 99:
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lmfao all they do is post quotes
go into your post bank and look at your last 600 or so posts retard..
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ND stop avoiding my question:
do you AGREE that dorian would have kept winning after 97?
and if so,
why? politics or would he actually have been deserving?
because I find it really really funny that you would be stupid enough to agree with Ronnie that dorian's late career form would even come CLOSE: to top 3 in 99:
It doesn't matter what I think , all that matters is what Ronnie thinks lol Ronnie just before the 1999 Mr Olympia
Taken out of FLEX nov 1999, page 90. interview by jim schmaltz with ronnie before the 99 Olympia.
Jim: What would have happened last year if Dorian Yates (recently retired winner of 6 straight Mr. Olympias) had competed?
Ronnie: Dorian would have won again.
Jim: You think so?
Ronnie: I know so. Dorian has a big physique - hard- and he's been the man to beat, and its hard to knock the champion off the block. He's a big guy and has a lot going for him. He overcame so many adversities, like his torn biceps, I couldnt see too much else stopping him.
Ronnie 1999 doesn't think Dorian would have beat him HE KNOWS HE WOULD lol everything you ever typed was WRONG how does it feel being corrected by your hero? at a contest you said he was untouchable lol
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dorian winning after 97 is one of the most ridiculous things I have ever heard.
figures the uneducated nuthuggers lack the brains to realize how dumb this is - and pick and choose which quotes to accept as 'fact' - without even bothering to see if they are true or not with a quick check to real life..
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It doesn't matter what I think , all that matters is what Ronnie thinks lol Ronnie just before the 1999 Mr Olympia
Taken out of FLEX nov 1999, page 90. interview by jim schmaltz with ronnie before the 99 Olympia.
Jim: What would have happened last year if Dorian Yates (recently retired winner of 6 straight Mr. Olympias) had competed?
Ronnie: Dorian would have won again.
Jim: You think so?
Ronnie: I know so. Dorian has a big physique - hard- and he's been the man to beat, and its hard to knock the champion off the block. He's a big guy and has a lot going for him. He overcame so many adversities, like his torn biceps, I couldnt see too much else stopping him.
Ronnie 1999 doesn't think Dorian would have beat him HE KNOWS HE WOULD lol everything you ever typed was WRONG how does it feel being corrected by your hero? at a contest you said he was untouchable lol
like I said, all you ever do is post quotes.. ::)
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dorian winning after 97 is one of the most ridiculous things I have ever heard.
figures the uneducated nuthuggers lack the brains to realize how dumb this is - and pick and choose which quotes to accept as 'fact' - without even bothering to see if they are true or not with a quick check to real life..
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You're proven wrong by YOUR hero lol don't call him a guy lol Ronnie 99 Olympia admits he could NEVER beat Yates lol you're fucked kid and he confirms this the other night , he's very consistent in his admission of Yates superiority
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like I said, all you ever do is post quotes.. ::)
quotes that crushed everything you ever typed , proved you're an idiot , you own HERO proved you wrong .
Taken out of FLEX nov 1999, page 90. interview by jim schmaltz with ronnie before the 99 Olympia.
Jim: What would have happened last year if Dorian Yates (recently retired winner of 6 straight Mr. Olympias) had competed?
Ronnie: Dorian would have won again.
Jim: You think so?
Ronnie: I know so. Dorian has a big physique - hard- and he's been the man to beat, and its hard to knock the champion off the block. He's a big guy and has a lot going for him. He overcame so many adversities, like his torn biceps, I couldnt see too much else stopping him.
Special Ed : Ronnie of Dorian competed in 1998 would you have smoked him?
Ronnie Coleman : NO I think he would have kept on winning as long as he competed I don't think he would have lost.
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ND stop avoiding my question:
do you AGREE that dorian would have kept winning after 97?
and if so,
why? politics or would he actually have been deserving?
because I find it really really funny that you would be stupid enough to agree with Ronnie that dorian's late career form would even come CLOSE: to top 3 in 99:
thanks for comparing ronnie's best vs. dorian's not so great.
either way, the yates of 97 would beat ronnie from 2000, 2001, and 2005.
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Ronnie Coleman Admits he couldn't beat Dorian Yates
I guess Ronnie is dumber than I thought.
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I am really enjoying watching all the Coleman nut-huggers meltdown one by one :)
Actually, it's not a meltdown. If you had an answer, you would be able to answer it intelligently, but as we all can see, you can't.
Hey look, I found quotes stating that Ronnie has the better physique and would beat yates in his prime:
Bodybuilders stating that Ronnie would beat Yates:
1) Dorian Yates - Radio Interview:
Don Soloman: “Dorian Yates on his best day vs. Ronnie Coleman on his best day, Who wins?
"Dorian Yates – Ronnie would probably beat me. The judges would probably choose Ronnie over me."
2) Flex stating that Ronnie at his best is better than yates at his best. Flex has competed against both guys in their prime:
On Getbig boards: "Flex, who do you think had the better physique at their respective peaks - Dorian Yates or Ronnie Coleman ?
"Flex Wheeler: Hands down... RC"
3) Mike Mattarazo stating that Ronnie would beat yates. Mike has competed against both guys in their prime:
"FLEX JAN 1999: MIKE MATARAZZO on RONNIE COLEMAN at the 98 Olympia: “I think this creature from another planet, RONNIE COLEMAN, is going to be number one for a while. I think that, in the shape he was in, he would have beaten DORIAN YATES.
INTERVIEW by J.M. Manion
FLEX WHEELER
"JM: Do you feel any regret that you never got the chance to take on Dorian one more time?"
FW:No. He's always going to be netted as one of the champions as undefeated. You always want to take it from the champion. No, that doesn't bother me because I think both Ronnie and I are above what he has displayed at the previous Mr. Olympia's so I think it would have been happening anyway. Especially like this year, with Ronnie and I coming out and were both battling.
JM: Cormier and I were talking about how two years ago Dorian's physique was light years ahead of everyone but now everyone has caught up to him.
FW:That's exactly what happens. In 1993, when I went out there it was like, gee man, he just wiped us out. Then unfortunately injuries started to hindering him and people started to catch up."
Now, we have here several quotes from different people especially your favourite bodybuilder Flex Wheeler, stating the opposite of yours. Does all of the quotes prove anything? In certain circumstances they can help an argument (ex: Truce Thread) along with pics & video to compare, but in your case it doesn't help you one bit since you don't have any pics or videos to compare or back up your quote because yates never competed after 97'. Now you can take your wishfull thinking and go back to LA LA LAND.
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ouch, ND is getting torn a new asshole. :-\
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thanks for comparing ronnie's best vs. dorian's not so great.
either way, the yates of 97 would beat ronnie from 2000, 2001, and 2005.
Thanks for being honest. In other words, you're disagreeing with ND and you're saying that yates 97 would have lost to Ronnie in his prime (98', 99' and 03') which is being dicussed. Your statement goes against 97' yates beating Ronnie in 98', 99' and 03'. Thanks for helping the Ronnie side with that statement.
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Thanks for being honest. In other words, you're disagreeing with ND and you're saying that yates 97 would have lost to Ronnie in his prime (98', 99' and 03') which is being dicussed. Your statement goes against 97' yates beating Ronnie in 98', 99' and 03'. Thanks for helping the Ronnie side with that statement.
maybe.
i feel that that yates of 97 is very underrated.
i have the video and it is so easily apparent why and how he won (by straight firsts) from the first comparison in the first round of prejuding.
pictures really dont do shit compared to the video.
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the headline could also read:
Ronnie Coleman admits he never beat Dorian Yates
they competed together lots of times. dorian always beat him
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Actually, it's not a meltdown. If you had an answer, you would be able to answer it intelligently, but as we all can see, you can't.
Hey look, I found quotes stating that Ronnie has the better physique and would beat yates in his prime:
Bodybuilders stating that Ronnie would beat Yates:
1) Dorian Yates - Radio Interview:
Don Soloman: “Dorian Yates on his best day vs. Ronnie Coleman on his best day, Who wins?
"Dorian Yates – Ronnie would probably beat me. The judges would probably choose Ronnie over me."
2) Flex stating that Ronnie at his best is better than yates at his best. Flex has competed against both guys in their prime:
On Getbig boards: "Flex, who do you think had the better physique at their respective peaks - Dorian Yates or Ronnie Coleman ?
"Flex Wheeler: Hands down... RC"
3) Mike Mattarazo stating that Ronnie would beat yates. Mike has competed against both guys in their prime:
"FLEX JAN 1999: MIKE MATARAZZO on RONNIE COLEMAN at the 98 Olympia: “I think this creature from another planet, RONNIE COLEMAN, is going to be number one for a while. I think that, in the shape he was in, he would have beaten DORIAN YATES.
INTERVIEW by J.M. Manion
FLEX WHEELER
"JM: Do you feel any regret that you never got the chance to take on Dorian one more time?"
FW:No. He's always going to be netted as one of the champions as undefeated. You always want to take it from the champion. No, that doesn't bother me because I think both Ronnie and I are above what he has displayed at the previous Mr. Olympia's so I think it would have been happening anyway. Especially like this year, with Ronnie and I coming out and were both battling.
JM: Cormier and I were talking about how two years ago Dorian's physique was light years ahead of everyone but now everyone has caught up to him.
FW:That's exactly what happens. In 1993, when I went out there it was like, gee man, he just wiped us out. Then unfortunately injuries started to hindering him and people started to catch up."
Now, we have here several quotes from different people especially your favourite bodybuilder Flex Wheeler, stating the opposite of yours. Does all of the quotes prove anything? In certain circumstances they can help an argument (ex: Truce Thread) along with pics & video to compare, but in your case it doesn't help you one bit since you don't have any pics or videos to compare or back up your quote because yates never competed after 97'. Now you can take your wishfull thinking and go back to LA LA LAND.
Hey look, I found quotes stating that Ronnie has the better physique and would beat yates in his prime:
Bodybuilders stating that Ronnie would beat Yates:
1) Dorian Yates - Radio Interview:
Don Soloman: “Dorian Yates on his best day vs. Ronnie Coleman on his best day, Who wins?
"Dorian Yates – Ronnie would probably beat me. The judges would probably choose Ronnie over me."
Ah nice job posting ONLY part of the quote
" Thats very hard for me to answer , I'd probably , Ronnie would probably beat me I guess , I don't know
nice try thats not as definitive as this
Jim: What would have happened last year if Dorian Yates (recently retired winner of 6 straight Mr. Olympias) had competed?
Ronnie: Dorian would have won again.
Jim: You think so?
Ronnie: I know so. Dorian has a big physique - hard- and he's been the man to beat, and its hard to knock the champion off the block. He's a big guy and has a lot going for him. He overcame so many adversities, like his torn biceps, I couldnt see too much else stopping him.
there is NO " I guess I don't know " , Ronnie states matter-of-factly Dorian would keep winning , Ronnie even says he doesn't think so , he knows so !! big difference kid
Now, we have here several quotes from different people especially your favourite bodybuilder Flex Wheeler, stating the opposite of yours. Does all of the quotes prove anything? In certain circumstances they can help an argument (ex: Truce Thread) along with pics & video to compare, but in your case it doesn't help you one bit since you don't have any pics or videos to compare or back up your quote because yates never competed after 97'. Now you can take your wishfull thinking and go back to LA LA LAND.
I will post quotes from Priest & McGough ect that back up my claim however they all pale in comparison to Ronnie Coleman ;) thats all that matters and not only did Ronnie state this before the 1999 Mr Olympia he also said it the other last Monday night lol again YOUR HERO crushed your opinions outright and Flex Wheeler lmfao his opinion leaves a lot to be desired , he's the same genius who had Ronnie winning the whole pre-judging of this past Olympia
Special Ed : Ronnie of Dorian competed in 1998 would you have smoked him?
Ronnie Coleman : NO I think he would have kept on winning as long as he competed I don't think he would have lost.
Yates when asked the question
4. A lot of people say that you are the only pro bodybuilder that could go head to head with Ronnie Coleman. Like him, you were the only other to be able to gain so much mass in one year. What are your thoughts on this?
A. I get asked that question all the time, and I can’t really give an answer. I have actually beaten Ronnie, but then he wasn’t at the stage he is now. He is probably carrying more muscle than I did, but I feel I had better conditioning than him. It would be close but that’s down to the judge’s decision as always. All the things that we have in common – Lee Haney, Ronnie Coleman and myself – is that we are all stable mentally, training hard, not messing around partying. You have to keep the focus and it’s usually the mind that is the deciding factor, over physical capabilities.
Peter McGough
While I’m on record as saying that the best physique I ever saw was Ronnie’s at the 2001 Arnold, he was never drier or harder than Dorian. In fact now that – 14 years after it happened – I recently for the first time saw the video of Dorian posing before the 1993 Olympia I have cause to rethink. I’m now not sure that Ronnie at 245 pounds would beat Dorian at 269 pounds. At a bigger bodyweight I think Ronnie would look soft next to an in-shape rock-hard Dorian.
On the subject of conditioning, no-one did it better than Dorian. He achieved a hardness and dryness (without losing fullness) that nobody has ever matched. In the flesh he looked even harder than he did in photos. It was like a statue made of granite was standing in front of you.
Lee Priest
HOW DO YOU FEEL DORIAN WOULD FAIR AGAINST RONNIE COLEMAN NOW?
I think Dorian at his best (1993) would easily beat Ronnie. Dorian might not be as symmetrical as Ronnie, but all over he was more complete and in better condition at his best.
Flex Magazine Jan 1999
Ernie Taylor
" When I saw Ronnie Coleman backstage before the prejudging , it was looking at ' three-D ' again. He looked fantastic. But I think if Dorian ( Yates ) were competing he would have won the show . "
All that matters is Ronnie Coleman not once but twice on gone on record and said he couldn't beat Yates this renders anything you have to say moot ! in chess its called check mate.
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maybe.
i feel that that yates of 97 is very underrated.
i have the video and it is so easily apparent why and how he won (by straight firsts) from the first comparison in the first round of prejuding.
pictures really dont do shit compared to the video.
I agree with you.
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NarcissisticDeity and Hulkster, you two fags have to feel like complete tools by now.....fucking get over it, two different bodybuilders
with two different physiques....you will never know who would have beat the other so FUCK OFF ALREADY!!!!!
by the way, Ronnie would have demolished Yates
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Ah nice job posting ONLY part of the quote
" Thats very hard for me to answer , I'd probably , Ronnie would probably beat me I guess , I don't know
nice try thats not as definitive as this
Jim: What would have happened last year if Dorian Yates (recently retired winner of 6 straight Mr. Olympias) had competed?
Ronnie: Dorian would have won again.
Jim: You think so?
Ronnie: I know so. Dorian has a big physique - hard- and he's been the man to beat, and its hard to knock the champion off the block. He's a big guy and has a lot going for him. He overcame so many adversities, like his torn biceps, I couldnt see too much else stopping him.
there is NO " I guess I don't know " , Ronnie states matter-of-factly Dorian would keep winning , Ronnie even says he doesn't think so , he knows so !! big difference kid
I will post quotes from Priest & McGough ect that back up my claim however they all pale in comparison to Ronnie Coleman ;) thats all that matters and not only did Ronnie state this before the 1999 Mr Olympia he also said it the other last Monday night lol again YOUR HERO crushed your opinions outright and Flex Wheeler lmfao his opinion leaves a lot to be desired , he's the same genius who had Ronnie winning the whole pre-judging of this past Olympia
Special Ed : Ronnie of Dorian competed in 1998 would you have smoked him?
Ronnie Coleman : NO I think he would have kept on winning as long as he competed I don't think he would have lost.
Yates when asked the question
4. A lot of people say that you are the only pro bodybuilder that could go head to head with Ronnie Coleman. Like him, you were the only other to be able to gain so much mass in one year. What are your thoughts on this?
A. I get asked that question all the time, and I can’t really give an answer. I have actually beaten Ronnie, but then he wasn’t at the stage he is now. He is probably carrying more muscle than I did, but I feel I had better conditioning than him. It would be close but that’s down to the judge’s decision as always. All the things that we have in common – Lee Haney, Ronnie Coleman and myself – is that we are all stable mentally, training hard, not messing around partying. You have to keep the focus and it’s usually the mind that is the deciding factor, over physical capabilities.
Peter McGough
While I’m on record as saying that the best physique I ever saw was Ronnie’s at the 2001 Arnold, he was never drier or harder than Dorian. In fact now that – 14 years after it happened – I recently for the first time saw the video of Dorian posing before the 1993 Olympia I have cause to rethink. I’m now not sure that Ronnie at 245 pounds would beat Dorian at 269 pounds. At a bigger bodyweight I think Ronnie would look soft next to an in-shape rock-hard Dorian.
On the subject of conditioning, no-one did it better than Dorian. He achieved a hardness and dryness (without losing fullness) that nobody has ever matched. In the flesh he looked even harder than he did in photos. It was like a statue made of granite was standing in front of you.
Lee Priest
HOW DO YOU FEEL DORIAN WOULD FAIR AGAINST RONNIE COLEMAN NOW?
I think Dorian at his best (1993) would easily beat Ronnie. Dorian might not be as symmetrical as Ronnie, but all over he was more complete and in better condition at his best.
Flex Magazine Jan 1999
Ernie Taylor
" When I saw Ronnie Coleman backstage before the prejudging , it was looking at ' three-D ' again. He looked fantastic. But I think if Dorian ( Yates ) were competing he would have won the show . "
All that matters is Ronnie Coleman not once but twice on gone on record and said he couldn't beat Yates this renders anything you have to say moot ! in chess its called check mate.
First of all yates admitted Ronnie would win. It doesn't matter how he said it. All that matters is, he said Ronnie would beat him.
See, that's the thing you still can't get through your empty head. We all have quotes contradicting each other on every subject. What makes a quote from Ronnie and Peter more credible than a quote from yates, Flex, Matarazzo and J.M. Manion? Nothing does. A quote is worthless only if it is proven to be a fact. Which in your case it can not be proven and it is not a fact. There were quotes ages ago stating that the world was flat. Do you believe it? I guess you would, since all you do is rely on quotes.
Remember this: A quote is worthless only if it is proven to be a fact. All we have are pics and videos and let's see you prove your point that a 97' yates would beat a 98/99 Ronnie using pics and videos, since your quotes are worthless anyway. On top of that yates didn't even compete after 97, LOL. This would be fun to see.
By the way, here is quote from Milos:
Milos Sarcev states that Ronnie has the best back in history. He also competed against both guys at their prime:
http://www.maxmuscle.com/index.cfm?fa=article&doc_id=22&subcat=body_building
"One Max Muscle employee said, "You have to see him now to truly appreciate what he's bringing to the show." But Coleman was hard to catch: Between training and working his beat fulltime, he had little time to promote himself. Still, most insiders remained unconvinced. Only Milos Sarcev, in his evaluation of Mr. Olympia contenders in the last issue of Max Muscle, saw Coleman as having a good chance: "At this time, Ron has the best back in the history of the sport," said Mishko, "even better than Benoit and Haney, or Dorian. Ron's thicker, wider, more pleasing. With his big arms and a double pump pose, he could use both his back and his front to win it."
Is this quote true? According to you it must be true since you love quotes, but I wouldn't expect you to agree with it since you love to pick and choose which quotes to accept. The point is, quotes can be used to a minimum in an argument, but it still doesn't prove shyt with out pics and videos to compare.
You can compare quotes and not compare with pics all you want if that makes you happy.
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they competed together lots of times. dorian always beat him
You sound as naive as ND. As if the decisions aren't heavily influenced by politics, when in fact Yates was undeserving several times to different BBs. Wake up.
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i feel that that yates of 97 is very underrated.
i have the video and it is so easily apparent why and how he won (by straight firsts) from the first comparison in the first round of prejuding.
pictures really dont do shit compared to the video.
Talk about a blind groupie. I'm sure the videos look completely different that what we see here bwhahaahahahh. As if the whole show's never heavily influenced by politics that these clowns ignore at every turn.
Under-rated, when in fact he got perfect scores, never lost looking like this steaming pile of shit..LOL
The guys who were under-rated were the ones who deserved & were robbed of several of Yates' Olympia "wins".
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First of all yates admitted Ronnie would win. It doesn't matter how he said it. All that matters is, he said Ronnie would beat him.
See, that's the thing you still can't get through your empty head. We all have quotes contradicting each other on every subject. What makes a quote from Ronnie and Peter more credible than a quote from yates, Flex, Matarazzo and J.M. Manion? Nothing does. A quote is worthless only if it is proven to be a fact. Which in your case it can not be proven and it is not a fact. There were quotes ages ago stating that the world was flat. Do you believe it? I guess you would, since all you do is rely on quotes.
Remember this: A quote is worthless only if it is proven to be a fact. All we have are pics and videos and let's see you prove your point that a 97' yates would beat a 98/99 Ronnie using pics and videos, since your quotes are worthless anyway. On top of that yates didn't even compete after 97, LOL. This would be fun to see.
By the way, here is quote from Milos:
Milos Sarcev states that Ronnie has the best back in history. He also competed against both guys at their prime:
http://www.maxmuscle.com/index.cfm?fa=article&doc_id=22&subcat=body_building
"One Max Muscle employee said, "You have to see him now to truly appreciate what he's bringing to the show." But Coleman was hard to catch: Between training and working his beat fulltime, he had little time to promote himself. Still, most insiders remained unconvinced. Only Milos Sarcev, in his evaluation of Mr. Olympia contenders in the last issue of Max Muscle, saw Coleman as having a good chance: "At this time, Ron has the best back in the history of the sport," said Mishko, "even better than Benoit and Haney, or Dorian. Ron's thicker, wider, more pleasing. With his big arms and a double pump pose, he could use both his back and his front to win it."
Is this quote true? According to you it must be true since you love quotes, but I wouldn't expect you to agree with it since you love to pick and choose which quotes to accept. The point is, quotes can be used to a minimum in an argument, but it still doesn't prove shyt with out pics and videos to compare.
You can compare quotes and not compare with pics all you want if that makes you happy.
First of all yates admitted Ronnie would win. It doesn't matter how he said it. All that matters is, he said Ronnie would beat him.
no he didn't he said " I DON'T KNOW " get this through your head kid
See, that's the thing you still can't get through your empty head. We all have quotes contradicting each other on every subject. What makes a quote from Ronnie and Peter more credible than a quote from yates, Flex, Matarazzo and J.M. Manion? Nothing does. A quote is worthless only if it is proven to be a fact. Which in your case it can not be proven and it is not a fact. There were quotes ages ago stating that the world was flat. Do you believe it? I guess you would, since all you do is rely on quotes.
4. A lot of people say that you are the only pro bodybuilder that could go head to head with Ronnie Coleman. Like him, you were the only other to be able to gain so much mass in one year. What are your thoughts on this?
A. I get asked that question all the time, and I can’t really give an answer. I have actually beaten Ronnie, but then he wasn’t at the stage he is now. He is probably carrying more muscle than I did, but I feel I had better conditioning than him. It would be close but that’s down to the judge’s decision as always. All the things that we have in common – Lee Haney, Ronnie Coleman and myself – is that we are all stable mentally, training hard, not messing around partying. You have to keep the focus and it’s usually the mind that is the deciding factor, over physical capabilities.
again he doesn't say Ronnie would beat me thats a lie and all that matters is what Ronnie thinks and he's stated his case more than once ;)
Remember this: A quote is worthless only if it is proven to be a fact. All we have are pics and videos and let's see you prove your point that a 97' yates would beat a 98/99 Ronnie using pics and videos, since your quotes are worthless anyway. On top of that yates didn't even compete after 97, LOL. This would be fun to see.
pics are useless as stated many times you see what you want in pics and they never tell the whole story , and I never said Yates 1997 would beat Ronnie 98/99 where did I say that? please find me those quotes Ronnie said if Dorian kept competing he would keep winning , Dorian didn't look like he did in 95 as he did in 94 and in 1997 he still got straight firsts and why? because he has massive , hard and dry
Milos Sarcev states that Ronnie has the best back in history. He also competed against both guys at their prime:
http://www.maxmuscle.com/index.cfm?fa=article&doc_id=22&subcat=body_building
"One Max Muscle employee said, "You have to see him now to truly appreciate what he's bringing to the show." But Coleman was hard to catch: Between training and working his beat fulltime, he had little time to promote himself. Still, most insiders remained unconvinced. Only Milos Sarcev, in his evaluation of Mr. Olympia contenders in the last issue of Max Muscle, saw Coleman as having a good chance: "At this time, Ron has the best back in the history of the sport," said Mishko, "even better than Benoit and Haney, or Dorian. Ron's thicker, wider, more pleasing. With his big arms and a double pump pose, he could use both his back and his front to win it."
quotes are useless but you post them lol
Is this quote true? According to you it must be true since you love quotes, but I wouldn't expect you to agree with it since you love to pick and choose which quotes to accept. The point is, quotes can be used to a minimum in an argument, but it still doesn't prove shyt with out pics and videos to compare.
You can compare quotes and not compare with pics all you want if that makes you happy.
it an opinion and a subjective one on top of that it isn't neither right or wrong by the nature of the game , however somethings are not subjective and the quotes prove my point and bottom line Ronnie Coleman feels Yates would keep on beating him for a reason he did after all beat him eight times does it mean its true NO but when its the man in question it looks very bad for you guys lol
again if Ronnie said yes I would beat Yates all of you nut-hugging hypocrites would be singing his praises , you would love quotes then but it didn't go your way now quotes are useless lol
bottom line I think Dorian would beat Ronnie ( again ) and so does he . ;)
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You sound as naive as ND. As if the decisions aren't heavily influenced by politics, when in fact Yates was undeserving several times to different BBs. Wake up.
politics , politics only when Yates was concerned lol go away you're the hypocrite who insists Yates was politics but in the same breathe dismiss Ronnie had any politics in his favor , in fact you're the moron who claimed Ronnie dominated in 2001 by losing the whole prejudging lol you know what again?
nothing
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no he didn't he said " I DON'T KNOW " get this through your head kid
4. A lot of people say that you are the only pro bodybuilder that could go head to head with Ronnie Coleman. Like him, you were the only other to be able to gain so much mass in one year. What are your thoughts on this?
A. I get asked that question all the time, and I can’t really give an answer. I have actually beaten Ronnie, but then he wasn’t at the stage he is now. He is probably carrying more muscle than I did, but I feel I had better conditioning than him. It would be close but that’s down to the judge’s decision as always. All the things that we have in common – Lee Haney, Ronnie Coleman and myself – is that we are all stable mentally, training hard, not messing around partying. You have to keep the focus and it’s usually the mind that is the deciding factor, over physical capabilities.
again he doesn't say Ronnie would beat me thats a lie and all that matters is what Ronnie thinks and he's stated his case more than once ;)
pics are useless as stated many times you see what you want in pics and they never tell the whole story , and I never said Yates 1997 would beat Ronnie 98/99 where did I say that? please find me those quotes Ronnie said if Dorian kept competing he would keep winning , Dorian didn't look like he did in 95 as he did in 94 and in 1997 he still got straight firsts and why? because he has massive , hard and dry
quotes are useless but you post them lol
it an opinion and a subjective one on top of that it isn't neither right or wrong by the nature of the game , however somethings are not subjective and the quotes prove my point and bottom line Ronnie Coleman feels Yates would keep on beating him for a reason he did after all beat him eight times does it mean its true NO but when its the man in question it looks very bad for you guys lol
again if Ronnie said yes I would beat Yates all of you nut-hugging hypocrites would be singing his praises , you would love quotes then but it didn't go your way now quotes are useless lol
bottom line I think Dorian would beat Ronnie ( again ) and so does he . ;)
LOL, any moron that can read english understands what yates said about Ronnie winning, but I never expected you to understand. There is no point in a rguing with you because you would never admit to anything.
I used quotes just to show your dumb ass that most of the time quotes can't prove shyt unless they are backed with pics in some cases and in your case, you can't back up your argument because yates retired in 97. So I don't see where you're going with this useless thread.
Oh, thanks for not even replying to anything in my post. You always beat around the bush on certain topics.
Ronnie, yates, Flex, Lee, Milos, etc. can think all they want. Does it make it true? NO
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LOL, any moron that can read english understands what yates said about Ronnie winning, but I never expected you to understand. There is no point in a rguing with you because you would never admit to anything.
I used quotes just to show your dumb ass that most of the time quotes can't prove shyt unless they are backed with pics in some cases and in your case, you can't back up your argument because yates retired in 97. So I don't see where you're going with this useless thread.
Oh, thanks for not even replying to anything in my post. You always beat around the bush on certain topics.
Ronnie, yates, Flex, Lee, Milos, etc. can think all they want. Does it make it true? NO
LOL, any moron that can read english understands what yates said about Ronnie winning, but I never expected you to understand. There is no point in a rguing with you because you would never admit to anything.
You're an idiot for many reasons , but on this occasion you specifically omitted the part where Yates said I guess , I don't know you left that out for a reason ;)
I used quotes just to show your dumb ass that most of the time quotes can't prove shyt unless they are backed with pics in some cases and in your case, you can't back up your argument because yates retired in 97. So I don't see where you're going with this useless thread.
I used to quotes to show you pics are useless unless you were actually there and even then you'd have to be close enough , objective enough and knowledgeable enough to know what you're looking at , you morons are looking at pictures and ascertaining who has better conditioning when it contradicts the people who were actually there , give me a break
Oh, thanks for not even replying to anything in my post. You always beat around the bush on certain topics.
Ronnie, yates, Flex, Lee, Milos, etc. can think all they want. Does it make it true? NO
I didn't beat around the bush on anything thats a lie and and you can think what you want and in some feeble attempt pass it off as true LMFAO go away kid
if Ronnie thinks Dorian would keep beating him that shits on your opinion ;) I hope this helps.
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LOL the stupidity of ND is amazing.
Iceman is owning him badly and he won't even try and respond sensibly.
he just posts more quotes LOL ::)
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LOL the stupidity of ND is amazing.
tell me about it. I've been owning him pretty bad in the Truce thread. Now he's pretending this quote doesn't mean anything b/c Ronnie didn't explicitly say he would beat Dorian. ::)
John: "Let's say that it would be possible to have a bodybuilding contest where the only competitors would be you... and Dorian Yates, and all of you in their prime condition. Who do you believe would win?"
Ronnie: "Come on now, this is the age of Ronnie Coleman who else would win."
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iceman,
why is it that you are ONLY posting quotes that reflect your point of view?
that's hear from ronnie himself, who also competed against dorian.
as far as credibility, lets' see: an 8 time mr. olympia or someone who competed in close to 100 shows, only won 1 show, and almost died injecting synthol into his biceps (not to mention all the shit nasser said).
ronnie coleman, FLEX, july 2003 (HULKSTER, NOTICE HOW THIS IS WELL AFTER 1999 and 2001):
DESCRIBE DORIAN YATES: A close friend. Dorian is very intelligent, a great Mr. Olympia. He had the best side-chest pose and the thickest freakiest back I have ever seen.
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You're an idiot for many reasons , but on this occasion you specifically omitted the part where Yates said I guess , I don't know you left that out for a reason ;)
I used to quotes to show you pics are useless unless you were actually there and even then you'd have to be close enough , objective enough and knowledgeable enough to know what you're looking at , you morons are looking at pictures and ascertaining who has better conditioning when it contradicts the people who were actually there , give me a break
I didn't beat around the bush on anything thats a lie and and you can think what you want and in some feeble attempt pass it off as true LMFAO go away kid
if Ronnie thinks Dorian would keep beating him that shits on your opinion ;) I hope this helps.
If yates thinks Ronnie would beat him in their prime, that shits on your opinion ;) I hope this helps.
It can go both ways ;D
Now you have nothing to back up your argument in this stupid thread. You can try to use pics, OH WAIT, YOU DON'T HAVE ANY BECAUSE YATES DIDN'T COMPETE AFTER 97.
I've wasted enough time on your dumb ass. Get a life you moron.
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the almighty bowflex/pumpster keeps talking about politics.
the explain:
-ronnie loosing the two most important rounds in a bbing contest and yet still winning the contest. despite, signaling to the crowd the "peace sign" when he and jay were standing next to each other.
-ronnie loosing two years in a row during the challenge round, yet also winning with perfect scores.
no matter what you think, yates was still the best conditioned guy on stage - even if he wasnt the prettiest or had the weakest biceps of the top 6.
by the way, those "other bbers" you are referring to too, are all black, and no one gives a shit about your fucking race card.
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iceman,
why is it that you are ONLY posting quotes that reflect your point of view?
that's hear from ronnie himself, who also competed against dorian.
as far as credibility, lets' see: an 8 time mr. olympia or someone who competed in close to 100 shows, only won 1 show, and almost died injecting synthol into his biceps (not to mention all the shit nasser said).
ronnie coleman, FLEX, july 2003 (HULKSTER, NOTICE HOW THIS IS WELL AFTER 1999 and 2001):
DESCRIBE DORIAN YATES: A close friend. Dorian is very intelligent, a great Mr. Olympia. He had the best side-chest pose and the thickest freakiest back I have ever seen.
I guess you can't read either. I can post many quotes contradicting Ronnie , yates , Flex , etc. I can post many quotes that contradicts the quote you posted above and trust me, I have more quotes about who has the best back of all-time than any of you guys, but what would that prove? See my point? The quotes I used was to make a point about certain situations, but in the end, quotes can't prove shyt unless it is proven to be a fact whether it be by using pics or videos (which ND doesn't do and can't do in this thread). Also, your buddy ND picks and chooses which quotes to use. He thinks that every quote favouring yates is a straight up Fact in Black & White an dwritten in stone, but the facts favouring Ronnie don't mean shyt and he disregards them at all times. See how this thread is useless?
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the best of ronnie would smoke the best of dorian so bad it's not even funny.....
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the best of ronnie would smoke the best of dorian so bad it's not even funny.....
disagree.
but, you're avatar may be one of the best on here.
talk about a true monster......
holy shit.
one of the best, if not THE best, athlete who EVER lived.
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tell me about it. I've been owning him pretty bad in the Truce thread. Now he's pretending this quote doesn't mean anything b/c Ronnie didn't explicitly say he would beat Dorian. ::)
John: "Let's say that it would be possible to have a bodybuilding contest where the only competitors would be you... and Dorian Yates, and all of you in their prime condition. Who do you believe would win?"
Ronnie: "Come on now, this is the age of Ronnie Coleman who else would win."
I really laughed out loud when I read you've been owning me , that was funny . the only thing you've been owning is yourself ! Ronnie Coleman admits he couldn't beat Dorian not once but twice and your response " You ever hear the guys speak? he's not that bright "
and that quotes does mean NOTHING in the face of these two which do explicitly do say he couldn't beat Yates
Special Ed : Ronnie of Dorian competed in 1998 would you have smoked him?
Ronnie Coleman : NO I think he would have kept on winning as long as he competed I don't think he would have lost.
Taken out of FLEX nov 1999, page 90. interview by jim schmaltz with ronnie before the 99 Olympia.
Jim: What would have happened last year if Dorian Yates (recently retired winner of 6 straight Mr. Olympias) had competed?
Ronnie never committed to a response in the one you posted , however he went on record twice stating Dorian is the better of the two , this crushes you and your dumb opinion , I own you and so does your hero ;)
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iceman,
why is it that you are ONLY posting quotes that reflect your point of view?
that's hear from ronnie himself, who also competed against dorian.
as far as credibility, lets' see: an 8 time mr. olympia or someone who competed in close to 100 shows, only won 1 show, and almost died injecting synthol into his biceps (not to mention all the shit nasser said).
ronnie coleman, FLEX, july 2003 (HULKSTER, NOTICE HOW THIS IS WELL AFTER 1999 and 2001):
DESCRIBE DORIAN YATES: A close friend. Dorian is very intelligent, a great Mr. Olympia. He had the best side-chest pose and the thickest freakiest back I have ever seen.
Great post ! every time Ronnie admits Dorian is better he's being humble or he's being kind lol NO Ronnie is being honest
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it sounds to me like he was refering to the politics of ifbb judging, NOT the quality of their two physiques.
Damn straight, does ND actually think he meant Dorian would actually be winning on the merits of his physique?! He most likely simply meant that the reigning Mr O has a big advantage and Dorian's look would have been the 'in' look as long as he was around.
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2 people besides me have said the same thing regarding Ronnie's comment about the judges choosing Dorian. It's refreshing to know there are others who are intelligent enough to understand what they read.
it sounds to me like he was refering to the politics of ifbb judging, NOT the quality of their two physiques.
he was alluding to how difficult it is to dethrone the current Mr. Olympia - not b/c they are actually better than him.
Damn straight, does ND actually think he meant Dorian would actually be winning on the merits of his physique?! He most likely simply meant that the reigning Mr O has a big advantage and Dorian's look would have been the 'in' look as long as he was around.
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Damn straight, does ND actually think he meant Dorian would actually be winning on the merits of his physique?! He most likely simply meant that the reigning Mr O has a big advantage and Dorian's look would have been the 'in' look as long as he was around.
Special Ed : Ronnie of Dorian competed in 1998 would you have smoked him?
Ronnie Coleman : NO I think he would have kept on winning as long as he competed I don't think he would have lost.
Taken out of FLEX nov 1999, page 90. interview by jim schmaltz with ronnie before the 99 Olympia.
Jim: What would have happened last year if Dorian Yates (recently retired winner of 6 straight Mr. Olympias) had competed?
Ronnie: Dorian would have won again.
Jim: You think so?
Ronnie: I know so. Dorian has a big physique - hard- and he's been the man to beat, and its hard to knock the champion off the block. He's a big guy and has a lot going for him. He overcame so many adversities, like his torn biceps, I couldnt see too much else stopping him.
I love all the Coleman fans who think they know whats on his mind lol jackasses
notice the second quote when he specifically says why Dorian would still beat him , he's a big guy , hard and he's been the man to beat ! he has a lot going for him
please don't presume to think for the man because he knows Dorian was a winning machine
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Special Ed : Ronnie of Dorian competed in 1998 would you have smoked him?
Ronnie Coleman : NO I think he would have kept on winning as long as he competed I don't think he would have lost.
Chime in here if you've got any info on the topic ND. Cheers
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=196900.msg2715499#msg2715499
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2 people besides me have said the same thing regarding Ronnie's comment about the judges choosing Dorian. It's refreshing to know there are others who are intelligent enough to understand what they read.
Notice they're all Coleman nut-huggers? ;) intelligent lol sure maybe you missed the part where Ronnie elaborated on why Dorian would keep winning physique wise , so much for ' intelligence '
Ronnie Coleman admits he couldn't beat Yates not once but twice get over it.
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Notice they're all Coleman nut-huggers?
they have 1/100 the number of posts as you in the Truce thread, but according to you they are "Coleman nuthuggers?" I guess that means you have Dorian's balls pressed up against your chin. ::)
intelligent lol sure maybe you missed the part where Ronnie elaborated on why Dorian would keep winning physique wise , so much for ' intelligence '
Ronnie: "Dorian has a big physique and he's been the man to beat, and its hard to knock the champion off the block."
Ronnie: "Come on now, this is the age of Ronnie Coleman who else would win... but I couldn't have beat them in their hey days."
it sounds a lot like Ronnie is saying the judges give preference to the current Mr. Olympia champ.
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they have 1/100 the number of posts as you in the Truce thread, but according to you they are "Coleman nuthuggers?" I guess that means you have Dorian's balls pressed up against your chin. ::)
Ronnie: "Dorian has a big physique and he's been the man to beat, and its hard to knock the champion off the block."
Ronnie: "Come on now, this is the age of Ronnie Coleman who else would win... but I couldn't have beat them in their hey days."
it sounds a lot like Ronnie is saying the judges give preference to the current Mr. Olympia champ.
they have 1/100 the number of posts as you in the Truce thread, but according to you they are "Coleman nuthuggers?" I guess that means you have Dorian's balls pressed up against your chin. ::)
No they are , they've all posted kool-aide Coleman statements in the past . and what does my post count have to do with anything? most of my posts are spent explaining the inner workings of competitive bodybuilding to idiots like you , this takes a while you people aren't the most sophisticated bunch and again you act like I'm like you and Hulkster with Ronnie , I'm not I've said its possible for Ronnie to beat Yates , you people are so far gone you're saying Ronnie is stupid because he wont agree with you lol
Ronnie: "Dorian has a big physique and he's been the man to beat, and its hard to knock the champion off the block."
Ronnie: "Come on now, this is the age of Ronnie Coleman who else would win... but I couldn't have beat them in their hey days."
it sounds a lot like Ronnie is saying the judges give preference to the current Mr. Olympia champ.
it sounds like he's saying he couldn't beat Dorian Yates , wait a moment , he is saying he couldn't beat Dorian Yates lol again you're posting part of the quote not all iceman tried this to , and when you're Dorian Yates you're damn right he's the man to beat the guy had a stranglehold on bodybuilding for years . dominated the highest quality fields in Olympia history , finished every single Olympia win with straight firsts with the exception of one posing rounds which he won but not with a perfect score , that speaks volumes
look Neo he could have said a lot of things , in fact he's not shied away from controversy saying " Being white helped Jay win the Olympia " and Jay would have to be on crack to think he could ever beat him and he would need to be reborn with better genetics , to claiming he was a victim of the system when he lost to Gunther , so if he honestly felt the way you're claiming he wouldn't have any qualms about saying so , so save yourself the embarrassment by assuming what he's thinking , he went on record not once but twice saying he doesn't think he would beat Dorian , I mean get over it I know it stings but the swelling will go down after a while lol
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2 people besides me have said the same thing regarding Ronnie's comment about the judges choosing Dorian. It's refreshing to know there are others who are intelligent enough to understand what they read.
true. ND does not have any reading comrehension skills at all.
in order for him to understand something, it has to be in black and white.
eg. he can't understand the simple logic that when Ronnie 99 is deemed to have advanced the sport the night of the 99 olympia, and he came AFTER all the others on the list, that he was deemed to be better than the others on the list, by definition - you advance in a FORWARD direction.
but see, this takes a brain and some intelligence that COULD have maybe been developed had ND gone to school. Its sad that the fact that he never went is so apparent. :-*
only with Cutler have we regressed.
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true. ND does not have any reading comrehension skills at all.
in order for him to understand something, it has to be in black and white.
eg. he can't understand the simple logic that when Ronnie 99 is deemed to have advanced the sport the night of the 99 olympia, and he came AFTER all the others on the list, that he was deemed to be better than the others on the list, by definition - you advance in a FORWARD direction.
but see, this takes a brain and some intelligence that COULD have maybe been developed had ND gone to school. Its sad that the fact that he never went is so apparent. :-*
only with Cutler have we regressed.
No you're the one who has poor comprehension skills , where does it say Ronnie 99 is superior to Dorian? it doesn't , in fact Hulkster McGough says it's impossible to choose and again 2001 was better than 1999 and what did McGough say about 2001 if he faced Yates?
yeah I thought so ;)