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http://www.godtube.com/view_video.php?viewkey=1b5bd6e3e034d00b4f73 (http://www.godtube.com/view_video.php?viewkey=1b5bd6e3e034d00b4f73)
This was too disturbing for me to watch in its entirety.
You've heard of the "Jesus Camp" and "Hell House" scare tactics used on children? Well, here's another addition to this unfortunate list. My 12 year old son (a non-believer all by himself, without any help from me) was given this link by a school friend who's going around trying to convert his classmates to Christianity. This video "A Letter From Hell" is a truly frightening, scare-the-kids-into-believing 'message'. A warning: It will both anger and sicken you.
Humbly submitted for your viewing displeasure,
~Carmine Bello
(Double Bass Atheist)
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This sort of vile, vicious crap is what Hitchens and Dawkins had in mind when they included in their books chapters on "Religion as Child Abuse."
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Your thread titles are the fucking bomb. ;D
Damn, I am speechless after watching that.
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http://www.godtube.com/view_video.php?viewkey=1b5bd6e3e034d00b4f73 (http://www.godtube.com/view_video.php?viewkey=1b5bd6e3e034d00b4f73)
This was too disturbing for me to watch in its entirety.
I have a hard time watching/listening to "art" that seems overly dramatic and breathy but at least the P.S was funny ;D
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I have a hard time watching/listening to "art" that seems overly dramatic and breathy but at least the P.S was funny ;D
Not funny in the least. Do you attempt to defend this teaching of your religion that you hold so dear?
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I have a hard time watching/listening to "art" that seems overly dramatic and breathy but at least the P.S was funny ;D
The whole thing was funny. At least the first three minutes I actually watched. :) It is overly dramatic fiction.
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Beach Bum, show it to your kids and ask them if they also think it is funny!
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They would think it's "boring."
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Well, go ahead and try it then :)
Other kids might not find it boring though. This kind of crap is intended to scare kids shitless into nutcase Christianity. It works on far too many!
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Nah. I know my kids pretty well. :) The clip is a fairy tale.
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Not funny in the least. Do you attempt to defend this teaching of your religion that you hold so dear?
What?
Do I believe that as a Christian, we are supposed to share the gospel w/people? Yes.
This "film" though was painfully and dramatically queer until the P.S. which made it worth watching/listening to imo. I'm sure that wasn't the maker's intention though.
Listening to this kid whine and accuse in a breathy voice while berating his one friend about not telling him about Jesus seems to place all the blame on the friend who did not share the gospel. Did the breathy kid in hell ever hear of a bible? Was the friend the only Christian the accuser had ever known in his life? Why is it the friend's responsibility only? Why's he the only one that got a breathy "letter?" Seems to me the kid in hell should take some responsibility. Reminds me of some people's view of society in general. It's always someone elses fault :'(
At least the first three minutes I actually watched. :)
Beach, the funniest part is the P.S. in the letter. I actually laughed out loud ;D
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http://www.godtube.com/view_video.php?viewkey=1b5bd6e3e034d00b4f73 (http://www.godtube.com/view_video.php?viewkey=1b5bd6e3e034d00b4f73)
This was too disturbing for me to watch in its entirety.
The whole thing was funny. At least the first three minutes I actually watched. :) It is overly dramatic fiction.
What I find funny is the claims of this woman, that her son is "non-believer all by himself, without any help from me".
Prior to having my daughter being born, I would have more inclined to take such a claim at face value. But, my daughter was saying her grace before eating, before she turned two years old. Guess who taught her that: her mommy and daddy.
Parents have influence on their kids. So, for this woman to claim that her son's atheism came to be without her influence (or that from another family member or someone close to the family) is rather silly.
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What?
Do I believe that as a Christian, we are supposed to share the gospel w/people? Yes.
This "film" though was painfully and dramatically queer until the P.S. which made it worth watching/listening to imo. I'm sure that wasn't the maker's intention though.
Listening to this kid whine and accuse in a breathy voice while berating his one friend about not telling him about Jesus seems to place all the blame on the friend who did not share the gospel. Did the breathy kid in hell ever hear of a bible? Was the friend the only Christian the accuser had ever known in his life? Why is it the friend's responsibility only? Why's he the only one that got a breathy "letter?" Seems to me the kid in hell should take some responsibility. Reminds me of some people's view of society in general. It's always someone elses fault :'(
Beach, the funniest part is the P.S. in the letter. I actually laughed out loud ;D
Hahahaha! :D (I just watched/listened.)
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What I find funny is the claims of this woman, that her son is "non-believer all by himself, without any help from me".
Prior to having my daughter being born, I would have more inclined to take such a claim at face value. But, my daughter was saying her grace before eating, before she turned two years old. Guess who taught her that: her mommy and daddy.
Parents have influence on their kids. So, for this woman to claim that her son's atheism came to be without her influence (or that from another family member or someone close to the family) is rather silly.
I agree. My oldest daughter learned how to pray before she could talk.
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What I find funny is the claims of this woman, that her son is "non-believer all by himself, without any help from me".
Prior to having my daughter being born, I would have more inclined to take such a claim at face value. But, my daughter was saying her grace before eating, before she turned two years old. Guess who taught her that: her mommy and daddy.
Parents have influence on their kids. So, for this woman to claim that her son's atheism came to be without her influence (or that from another family member or someone close to the family) is rather silly.
Oh boy, you have DNA you have infected with your mind virus. I guess it still goes on in the 21st century. :-\
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Oh boy, you have DNA you have infected with you mind virus. I guess it still goes on in the 21st century. :-\
Nah, all that is a kid who never stopped asking why?
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Nah, all that is a kid who never stopped asking why?
People like MCWAY having children scare me to be honest. :o
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People like MCWAY having children scare me to be honest. :o
You shouldn't be too scared, at least you will always know children like that will grow up to be adults that will always try to do the right thing. How bad can that be?
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You shouldn't be too scared, at least you will always know children like that will grow up to be adults that will always try to do the right thing. How bad can that be?
The right thing? As in...?
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The right thing? As in...?
Kindness, working hard, helping others, giving to charity, instilling moral values such as the non-god related ones we find in the 10 commandments etc...
all good stuff and productive for society and the continuance of our species.
Meanwhile the scientists find more answers to ease our time on earth in terms of comfort. Things just get better. Better burgers, better medicine, better sheets.
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Kindness, working hard, helping others, giving to charity, instilling moral values such as the non-god related ones we find in the 10 commandments etc...
all good stuff and productive for society and the continuance of our species.
Meanwhile the scientists find more answers to ease our time on earth in terms of comfort. Things just get better. Better burgers, better medicine, better sheets.
I don't know. MCWAY seems like a pretty big dickhead to me.
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I can promise you, If I ever meet the idiot fuck who made this, I will kick his ass through hell and back and then kick the crap out of him a little more... Oh fuck it, I'll mutilate the stupid asshole... This is among the sickest thing I've seen and unfortunately I've had a lifetime of this bullshit.
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fucking assholes... no offence to people like Intensone/joelocal and people who use religion responsibly but it's people like this stupid fucking asshole that aided in my mother's death. I am so sickened by what happened I don't even think I can tell the story. I've basically tried to put it out of my head but just imagine those psycho southern snake bite christians and you'll have 1/10 of what I had to deal with. I'm so disgruntled with this kind of stupidity that I would gladly wish the worst things imaginable on people like this and am not sure I will be able to hold my anger back the next time I encounter one of this fuck twisted fucks.
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Oh boy, you have DNA you have infected with your mind virus. I guess it still goes on in the 21st century. :-\
I have children, whom I intend to raise to have reverence for and to serve the Lord, as is my job as a Christian parent. What they do with that, later on in their lives, is up to them.
I don't know. MCWAY seems like a pretty big dickhead to me.
This is a typical response you get from some atheists, when you can cut through their profane tirades, get to the heart of their claims and statements, and then refute them handily, using facts and good ol' fashioned common sense.
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I have children, whom I intend to raise to have reverence for and to serve the Lord, as is my job as a Christian parent. What they do with that, later on in their lives, is up to them.
This is a typical response you get from some atheists, when you can cut through their profane tirades, get to the heart of their claims and statements, and then refute them handily, using facts and good ol' fashioned common sense.
Well for their sake, I hope your progeny come to their senses. By the time they are in their thirties and science has made gigantic steps forward, believing the crap that you have forced upon them will be bloody embarassing.
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It has always been beyond me why people chose to worship a God who would throw them into a burning fire pit to have their skin ripped of or the like because they made a "mistake" in life. The notion of "be good or else" has always sounded like the worst reason to be faithful, and I've always suspected that those who read the Bible so conservatively miss out on what it actually says. It reminds me of a couple other groups of people in the past who refused to listen to reason because it was written otherwise (Pharisees and Sadducee's) who looked change in the face and hung it on a cross.
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Well for their sake, I hope your progeny come to their senses. By the time they are in their thirties and science has made gigantic steps forward, believing the crap that you have forced upon them will be bloody embarassing.
Science has indeed made giant steps. And as glaring proof, one need only look at the very link you provided that shows that your claim (and that of other atheists), that the town of Nazareth was an invention by Christians that occured around 3rd century A.D., is patently false.
Of course, that also sinks the initial claims by skeptics that Nazareth never existed at all.
Notice the pattern here:
1) Historical person or place is initially found only in the Bible.
2) Skeptics swear up and down that person/place is false or fabricated.
3) Archaeologists find artificats, which verify the Biblical accounts.
4) Skeptics dine on crow, later changing their claims when they can't deny the cold, hard facts.
5) Repeat steps 3 and 4 (at least, twice).
6) Skeptics curse, swear, and insult people, hoping such will hide their feeble arguments.
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It has always been beyond me why people chose to worship a God who would throw them into a burning fire pit to have their skin ripped of or the like because they made a "mistake" in life. The notion of "be good or else" has always sounded like the worst reason to be faithful, and I've always suspected that those who read the Bible so conservatively miss out on what it actually says. It reminds me of a couple other groups of people in the past who refused to listen to reason because it was written otherwise (Pharisees and Sadducee's) who looked change in the face and hung it on a cross.
Perhaps, it's because their primary motivation for serving God is NOT out of fear of a "burning pit", but because this God loves them and cares for them. This God will redeem them, when others in the world (especially the "enlightened ones", be they believers in a deity or not) write them off as human beings. This God will forgive their sins, when they repent, not throw it in their faces every chance they get.
Of course, that would beg the question as to whether or not our non-believing brethren obey earthly laws, based strictly out of their sense of moral justice (whatever that is), with no fear of earthly consequences.
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Perhaps, it's because their primary motivation for serving God is NOT out of fear of a "burning pit", but because this God loves them and cares for them. This God will redeem them, when others in the world (especially the "enlightened ones", be they believers in a deity or not) write them off as human beings. This God will forgive their sins, when they repent, not throw it in their faces every chance they get.
Of course, that would beg the question as to whether or not our non-believing brethren obey earthly laws, based strictly out of their sense of moral justice (whatever that is), with no fear of earthly consequences.
These are the type of people that are the top brass of our government. Same beliefs. Maybe even more delusional I am sure. What a shame. :'(
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These are the type of people that are the top brass of our government. Same beliefs. Maybe even more delusional I am sure. What a shame. :'(
MCWAY for president all the way!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Of course, that would beg the question as to whether or not our non-believing brethren obey earthly laws, based strictly out of their sense of moral justice (whatever that is), with no fear of earthly consequences.
With or without the existence of God, my morality will stay intact. No like my friend, who is a pastor and has been divorced from his wife for over a year now, had got angry at God and now lives a life of drugs, drinking, lying, and womanizing.
True character shows when your beliefs are challenged with in yourself.
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'Hell House' Kits Selling Nationally
October 7, 1996
An Arvada, Colorado, Assemblies of God church that received national media attention last Halloween for its gruesome Hell House, is selling kits to churches around the country that want to duplicate the grizzly dramatization.
Hell House was criticized for its gory depictions of an abortion, a homosexual dying of AIDS , drunken driving, teen suicide, and hell. Critics, including the Colorado Council of Churches, condemned the scare tactics used in the presentation and the literal demonization of homosexuals and abortionists.
Keenan Roberts, youth pastor and director of Abundant Life Christian Center's Hell House, says the complaints are misdirected. "It's Romans 6:23 in contemporary packaging. 'The wages of sin is death,' " he says. Roberts, 30, developed an annual Hell House in Roswell, New Mexico, before moving to Denver.
Charging $5 for admission, the church made a $17,000 profit in last year's five-night presentation. This year, it is extending the run to 16 nights. Roberts says the church grew by 25 percent after last Halloween.
The 500-member church is selling Hell House kits for $149. Buyers get a 263-page manual, a video of the Denver Hell House, and a tape or compact disc with sound effects. The manual includes everything from a script to prop advice, including, "Do your very best to buy or purchase a meat product that will resemble as much as possible pieces of a baby that are being placed in the glass bowl for all to see."
So far, the church has sold 60 kits, which it spent $10,000 to produce.
http://www.ctlibrary.com/ct/1996/october7/6tb87a.html (http://www.ctlibrary.com/ct/1996/october7/6tb87a.html)
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I have children, whom I intend to raise to have reverence for and to serve the Lord, as is my job as a Christian parent. What they do with that, later on in their lives, is up to them.
This is a typical response you get from some atheists, when you can cut through their profane tirades, get to the heart of their claims and statements, and then refute them handily, using facts and good ol' fashioned common sense.
you say common sense?
how about noahs ark? how could all the animals from different continents make it to the ark? would tigers swim across the ocean?
common sense is not on your side.
there is no hell, your god does not exist and christianities tactic of scaring people with a conditionally loving god who burns you forever for some mistakes in life out of love is disgusting.
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MCWAY, when you say you're teaching your kids common sense, does that include teaching them to "Question everything"? Even the claims of your religion?
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MCWAY, when you say you're teaching your kids common sense, does that include teaching them to "Question everything"? Even the claims of your religion?
I've already taught them that, and they've already asked questions about our beliefs!!
I've instructed them where to get the answers and helped put things into historical and religious perspective. And, as they have library cards, they can easily look up any information, should they not be satisfied with the information given to them by me.
In the end, they will remain with their faith or they won't. The former happening, however, is not automatically due to their lack of questioning.
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Your best post EVER :)
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you say common sense?
how about noahs ark? how could all the animals from different continents make it to the ark? would tigers swim across the ocean?
common sense is not on your side.
If my kids want info on that, they can simply refer to one of the books I bought a few years ago, Noah's Ark: A Feasibility Study
there is no hell, your god does not exist and christianities tactic of scaring people with a conditionally loving god who burns you forever for some mistakes in life out of love is disgusting.
How do you go from the Ark to hell? You're back to your old emotional ranting again, Pole. Furthermore, contrary to the tail end of your spiel, you can't scare anybody into being a Christian. And, I'll go out on a major liimb and state that the Christians here (Loco, Stella, Beach Bum, etc.) DID NOT GIVE THEIR HEARTS TO THE LORD, JESUS CHRIST,out of fear of burning in hell (whether it "burns forever" or not).
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If my kids want info on that, they can simply refer to one of the books I bought a few years ago, Noah's Ark: A Feasibility Study
How do you go from the Ark to hell? You're back to your old emotional ranting again, Pole. Furthermore, contrary to the tail end of your spiel, you can't scare anybody into being a Christian. And, I'll go out on a major liimb and state that the Christians here (Loco, Stella, Beach Bum, etc.) DID NOT GIVE THEIR HEARTS TO THE LORD, JESUS CHRIST,out of fear of burning in hell (whether it "burns forever" or not).
Pretty safe limb. :)
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And, I'll go out on a major liimb and state that the Christians here (Loco, Stella, Beach Bum, etc.) DID NOT GIVE THEIR HEARTS TO THE LORD, JESUS CHRIST,out of fear of burning in hell (whether it "burns forever" or not).
That may be true but I guarantee that they would be scared to drop jesus at this point in their life fearing what would happen if they did. It's already burned in if that makes sense.
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That's why the Jesuit said, "Give me the child for his first seven years, and I'll give you the man."
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If my kids want info on that, they can simply refer to one of the books I bought a few years ago, Noah's Ark: A Feasibility Study
How do you go from the Ark to hell? You're back to your old emotional ranting again, Pole. Furthermore, contrary to the tail end of your spiel, you can't scare anybody into being a Christian. And, I'll go out on a major liimb and state that the Christians here (Loco, Stella, Beach Bum, etc.) DID NOT GIVE THEIR HEARTS TO THE LORD, JESUS CHRIST,out of fear of burning in hell (whether it "burns forever" or not).
lies.
they are afraid of their finite existence and are looking for a way out, when there is none.
nothing you say makes sense without twisting the truth. your acceptance of jesus is epiphenominal to your fear of death and the consequences of a godless existence.
you fear the truth, and using your mind.
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lies.
they are afraid of their finite existence and are looking for a way out, when there is none.
nothing you say makes sense without twisting the truth. your acceptance of jesus is epiphenominal to your fear of death and the consequences of a godless existence.
you fear the truth, and using your mind.
Excellent post. Yes, fear of death and oblivion is key to virtually all believers.
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Excellent post. Yes, fear of death and oblivion is key to virtually all believers.
i figure i didnt mind being dead for the first 6 billion years i was dead so it wont matter much when i die.
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i figure i didnt mind being dead for the first 6 billion years i was dead so it wont matter much when i die.
u would have to be alive first to be dead.
Some real geniuses around here ::)
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u would have to be alive first to be dead.
Some real geniuses around here ::)
Well, I think you missed the point of his post. If he had written that it didn't matter that he did not exist the last 6 billion years so it won't matter that he won't after he is dead you could not have criticised him in the least.
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u would have to be alive first to be dead.
Some real geniuses around here ::)
im eternal ;D
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lies.
they are afraid of their finite existence and are looking for a way out, when there is none.
nothing you say makes sense without twisting the truth. your acceptance of jesus is epiphenominal to your fear of death and the consequences of a godless existence.
you fear the truth, and using your mind.
You would never get any true Christian to admit that. That would cheapen salvation.
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You terrorize them with Tales of Hell after they find their Christmass presents the 1st time and realise there is no SANTA!!!!!!
How else you gona get a 5yr old to behave! ::)
THis new scare Seems to last for now.... ;D
ANyone got another that works after this one wears out Pm me.
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You terrorize them with Tales of Hell after they find their Christmass presents the 1st time and realise there is no SANTA!!!!!!
How else you gona get a 5yr old to behave! ::)
THis new scare Seems to last for now.... ;D
ANyone got another that works after this one wears out Pm me.
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Yeah, but
THey teach that damn 911 thing so early these days... >:(
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Every Kid is different.
Getting my kids to understand why i needed them to do something or behave a certain way worked for me.
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Yeah, but
THey teach that damn 911 thing so early these days... >:(
lol
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lies.
they are afraid of their finite existence and are looking for a way out, when there is none.
nothing you say makes sense without twisting the truth. your acceptance of jesus is epiphenominal to your fear of death and the consequences of a godless existence.
you fear the truth, and using your mind.
You basically just called Beach Bum and me liars, something neither one of us take too kindly.
We know why we have the faith that we have. And your assertions (at least, with the two of us) about such are as false as they come.
And contrary to your opinion, truth is the LAST thing I fear. That is little more than the supremely arrogant (yet extremely false) skeptic mindset that anyone who is using their mind will reject their faith.
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Every Kid is different.
Getting my kids to understand why i needed them to do something or behave a certain way worked for me.
Yeah, Im just screwin' w/ yaAll.
My kid is well clued in on lots of the worlds BS and manipulations.
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You basically just called Beach Bum and me liars, something neither one of us take too kindly.
We know why we have the faith that we have. And your assertions (at least, with the two of us) about such are as false as they come.
And contrary to your opinion, truth is the LAST thing I fear. That is little more than the supremely arrogant (yet extremely false) skeptic mindset that anyone who is using their mind will reject their faith.
your god is not needed to explain anything in the universe or life. theres no good reason to beleive he exists,absolutely none.
you do lie, you lie about science all the time, ive witnessed your lies.
your god has no use in this life.
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your god is not needed to explain anything in the universe or life. theres no good reason to beleive he exists,absolutely none.
Then, explain origin without him, something I've been asking you (among others) to do for MONTHS!!!!
you do lie, you lie about science all the time, ive witnessed your lies.
your god has no use in this life.
That's your "humble" opinion, one definitely NOT shared by millions of believers worldwide.
You can't "reason" God out of existence, and apparently that frustrates you to no end.
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Then, explain origin without him, something I've been asking you (among others) to do for MONTHS!!!!
That's your "humble" opinion, one definitely NOT shared by millions of believers worldwide.
You can't "reason" God out of existence, and apparently that frustrates you to no end.
So are Harvard and Oxford astrophysicists, looking for a godless explanation of the origin of things blithering idiots in your opinion, O Great MCWAY?
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Then, explain origin without him, something I've been asking you (among others) to do for MONTHS!!!!
That's your "humble" opinion, one definitely NOT shared by millions of believers worldwide.
You can't "reason" God out of existence, and apparently that frustrates you to no end.
yes i can.
the universe is eternal, matter cannot be created nor destroyed hence it has always existed. there was no singularity in actuality. there goes your god, its provable in science also as its a law. i can reason your god out of existence easily.
since there is no need for creation, what does that leave your god to do?
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yes i can.
the universe is eternal, matter cannot be created nor destroyed hence it has always existed. there was no singularity in actuality. there goes your god, its provable in science also as its a law. i can reason your god out of existence easily.
since there is no need for creation, what does that leave your god to do?
It leads him to scream at a bunch of goatherders.
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So are Harvard and Oxford astrophysicists, looking for a godless explanation of the origin of things blithering idiots in your opinion, O Great MCWAY?
Trapezker, did you know that Harvard's origins come from the Christian faith? Same as Brown, Princeton, along with other Ivy league schools.
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Trapezker, did you know that Harvard's origins come from the Christian faith?
That aint relevant today and in this discussion numbnuts.
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Trapezker, did you know that Harvard's origins come from the Christian faith? Same as Brown, Princeton, along with other Ivy league schools.
That's a fantastic non-sequitur. A really great one. What does that have to do with the price of beans? Nothing.
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Trapezker, did you know that Harvard's origins come from the Christian faith? Same as Brown, Princeton, along with other Ivy league schools.
GOOD POINT you win, debate over god exists.
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GOOD POINT you win, debate over god exists.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA ;D
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yes i can.
the universe is eternal, matter cannot be created nor destroyed hence it has always existed. there was no singularity in actuality. there goes your god, its provable in science also as its a law. i can reason your god out of existence easily.
since there is no need for creation, what does that leave your god to do?
Do you realize what you've just said? You just claimed that the "universe" and "matter" have always existed and is eternal. Yet, you have a cow, when Christians claim the same about God.
It's a tad hard for man to prove that matter has always existed, since even by "goo-to-you-by-way-of-the-zoo" rules MAN HIMSELF has not always existed.
And, as I've stated before, it is man, who cannot create nor destroy energy. Those are natural laws. A supernatural deity, who is the source of such laws, can manipulate them as He sees fit.
You criticize others for believing in someone eternal, yet you believe in something eternal. So much for "logic" and "reason".
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So are Harvard and Oxford astrophysicists, looking for a godless explanation of the origin of things blithering idiots in your opinion, O Great MCWAY?
Those would be your words, not mine. What you missed is the point that evolution was intentionally crafted for a godless explanation for life on this planet. But, don't take my words for it:
The reasonable view was to believe in spontaneous generation; the only alternative, to believe in a single, primary act of supernatural creation. There is no third position. For this reason many scientists a century ago chose to regard the belief in spontaneous generation as a "philosophical necessity." It is a symptom of the philosophical poverty of our time that this necessity is no longer appreciated. Most modern biologists, having reviewed with satisfaction the downfall of the spontaneous generation hypothesis, yet unwilling to accept the alternative belief in special creation, are left with nothing. - George Wald, The origin of life" Scientific American August 1954
A need or philosophical (NOT SCIENTIFIC) necessity to believe in spontaneous generation serves but one purpose: A blatant refusal to acknowledge the Almighty God.
I know Wald wasn't an astrophysicist, but he was from Harvard. ;D
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Do you realize what you've just said? You just claimed that the "universe" and "matter" have always existed and is eternal. Yet, you have a cow, when Christians claim the same about God.
It's a tad hard for man to prove that matter has always existed, since even by "goo-to-you-by-way-of-the-zoo" rules MAN HIMSELF has not always existed.
And, as I've stated before, it is man, who cannot create nor destroy energy. Those are natural laws. A supernatural deity, who is the source of such laws, can manipulate them as He sees fit.
You criticize others for believing in someone eternal, yet you believe in something eternal. So much for "logic" and "reason".
The difference MCWAY is that there is firm, observable evidence for the scientific belief that matter and energy are eternal, yet none whatsoever for your goat herder god; he has never been observed or even demonstrated to exist. Scientists do not declare by fiat that matter and energy are eternal; they do experiments and analyse the results. You however simply decree that your desert backwater deity is eternal because it says it in your cobbled together 'holy' book; there is absolutely no analogy there.