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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: Stavios on January 31, 2008, 08:18:25 PM
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I am checking some Youtube videos right now and I don't see how nobody was able to beat this guy for 8 years
his legs were so fucking small compared to his torso that it looks ridiculous
weak arms as well
Speak on this mofos, what was so impressive about this guy ?
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He placed first!
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>:( this is a serious thread Joe
anybody has comparaison pics of videos with the other competitors ?
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Check the pec thickness in the fourth photo. MONSTROUS
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How did he won them?
He juiced for Jesus.
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arms looks super small in the first pic
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He competed in the days when mass wasn't everything. Epic quality in his physique.
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Pure Genetics, i wonder how he would have gone in 93 against an ungodly Yates if he continued.
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He competed in the days when mass wasn't everything. Epic quality in his physique.
I have to find a shot of his front relaxed
most imbalanced physique ever
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Pure Genetics, i wonder how he would have gone in 93 against an ungodly Yates if he continued.
Haney was lucky to beat Yates in 91 let alone 93. Haney would have been an after thought in the mid 90s
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Pure Genetics, i wonder how he would have gone in 93 against an ungodly Yates if he continued.
he would have had his ass handed to him that's for sure
I am not a fan of Yates but he look billion times more impressive than Haney
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Great physique. It just flowed, even with so so arms they still looked great on him. Quality muscle! ;D
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very weird looking physique
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he would have had his ass handed to him that's for sure
I am not a fan of Yates but he look billion times more impressive than Haney
Because Yates was a pioneer of HGH. Haney was the last great champ between the Pumping Iron era and the new age of HGH and insulin abuse. It's ridiculous to compare him to peak Yates as Yates ushered in a whole new (terrible) age that led to the guts and more muscle than frames can handle. When they competed on a level drug playing field Haney was a worthy winner.
Haney was a boring kind of guy but he pretty much deserved every single title he won, far less controversially than the likes of some of Yates' , Coleman's and Cutler's.
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Somewhat like a less massive coleman ???
His back was his standout bodypart and it made him look incredible.
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very weird looking physique
In what way? You mean the tight, flat stomach and wide shoulders all tapering down to a perfect 'V'?
If anything Haney was the most genetically gifted of all time.
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Lee Saw the way the drug game was going and retired while he was ahead which was a very smart move. However if he had gone the way of the GH/insuin monsters he could have easily won 4 or 5 more sandows.
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If anything Haney was the most genetically gifted of all time.
:o :o :o :o
bullshit 8)
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:o :o :o :o
bullshit 8)
Persuasive argument. Anyway, think what you like. The whole thing came so easily to him, it was pretty much dumped into his lap. Maybe if he'd got into the GH and insulin in a big way you'd have a different opinion.
Also, can you tell me what is so weird about his physique in that youtube you posted?
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Well then who in your opinion should have beaten Haney during the 80's?
He won 8 because he was the best of that era, not today.
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Also, can you tell me what is so weird about his physique in that youtube you posted?
his torso completly dwarfs everything else
his arms look long and way too small for his body
non-existant legs
Compare him to a guy like Lee Labrada and I think Lee looks much better
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Haney is definitely not the most impressive Mr. O, but the reason he won 8 was because he was the best for all those years. The genetics of the 80s bodybuilders was the worst imo, he didnt have much competition
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Haney is definitely not the most impressive Mr. O, but the reason he won 8 was because he was the best for all those years. The genetics of the 80s bodybuilders was the worst imo, he didnt have much competition
very true
looking at pictures, he only one because no one was impressive
the 90's was the best era of bodybuilding by far
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his torso completly dwarfs everything else
his arms look long and way too small for his body
non-existant legs
Compare him to a guy like Lee Labrada and I think Lee looks much better
You're using modern criteria to judge a guy from a totally different era. Yes, his arms were reasonably small - so were Dorian's compared to his torso. Hell, people have even claimed the same with Ronnie Coleman some years. When you have a huge back you do often get the 'small arms' complaint.
The legs issue is not relevant here as in those days judging was still much closer to that of the golden age; Arnold did not have huge legs. In fact, hardly any of them did until the era of the freak ( Tom Platz excepted). Labrada looked great, another pleasing physique before the GH monsters, and he was regularly top 4 but he still couldn't beat Haney. Haney was far and away the best of his era.
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his torso completly dwarfs everything else
his arms look long and way too small for his body
non-existant legs
Compare him to a guy like Lee Labrada and I think Lee Haney looks much better
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You're using modern criteria to judge a guy from a totally different era. Yes, his arms were reasonably small - so were Dorian's compared to his torso.
very true.
Haney was good - not crazy outstanding like 98/9 Ronnie, 94/6 Ray, 93 Flex etc. but he was better than his main competition of Flea Labrada and Gaspari.
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very true.
Haney was good - not crazy outstanding like 98/9 Ronnie, 94/6 Ray, 93 Flex etc. but he was better than his main competition of Flea Labrada and Gaspari.
I agree but these would have all been using GH by then wouldn't they (not sure if Flex was in 93) ?
Gaspari was a hell of dedicated trainer.
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I agree but these would have all been using GH by then wouldn't they (not sure if Flex was in 93) ?
Gaspari was a hell of dedicated trainer.
Gh15 said GH was around in the 80'S
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Gh15 said GH was around in the 80'S
Oh right. I always thought it was early 90s. I freely admit that my knowledge of the drugs is very limited.
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Gh15 said GH was around in the 80'S
When did the big guts come onto the scene? Mid 90's so must be the slin. Either way load Haney with GH and slin and he would still have a tiny waste compared to the fridge or coleman
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When did the big guts come onto the scene? Mid 90's so must be the slin. Either way load Haney with GH and slin and he would still have a tiny waste compared to the fridge or coleman
maybe not man, Coleman had a fucking tiny waist too in the good old days
maybe Haney would have had a monster gut.
also, I am 100% sure that GH is not what causes the guts
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Bodybuilders of the past decade are much, much more massive than ever before. It's unreasonable to think that the stomachs/waists would stay the same size. Combine that with the GH/Slin combo and boom,...guts. Also, does anyone else question Haney's weight claims? He claimed 250lbs in 1991, looks more like 225 ??? legs were SMALL
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also, I am 100% sure that GH is not what causes the guts
You think it's all insulin?
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maybe not man, Coleman had a fucking tiny waist too in the good old days
maybe Haney would have had a monster gut.
also, I am 100% sure that GH is not what causes the guts
I agree. The answer lies in the drugs Ronnie took the year before his first Mr. O title
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You think it's all insulin?
yes I think Insulin is the main reasons
I know a lot of competitors who use GH, up to 10 IU a day and they don't have a gut at all
they pretty much all use insulin too, so maybe it's a combo of both in very high doses
hard to say ! but HGH alone does not cause the guts
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I can definitely see it being a combo but I think that GH must be a factor as it is shown to grow all human tissue - hair, organs, bone etc - and it just so happens that in that particular area is all this:
(http://www.wpclipart.com/medical/anatomy/colon_intestines.png)
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hey look at this guy
wasn't he from the 80's too ?
he looks a lot better than Haney in my book, much more complete and freaky
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=50789.0;attach=52107;image)
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=50789.0;attach=52108;image)
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=50789.0;attach=52075;image)
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he lets it down with the splits shot.
And on a more serious note..it's like Dorian and Ronnie: from the back they blow everyone away
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Lee Haney was untouchable in his era and Phil Hill was narrow shouldered with a bad attitude.
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He's the antithesis of Haney in that he has narrow shoulders, a small chest, no back and huge quads and arms.
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i wish bodybuilding was still in the hainy days,,,it was attractive and many saw it in good way ,,,many people truly believed it was all hard work even though it was lotds of homrones,,but today you just see someone and you start laughin or smiling because you know its all drugs and we always look 10 years older atleast,,
bodybuilding since the mid 90s is really not body building but more of body destruction,,im talking top level here ,,gym rats are still having the 80s physiqes so its ok,,this is also why many hate us bodybuilders today because they are bodybuilders ,,they use drugs but they also have limits! but the bodybuilders they dont like usually swim in drugs to a point they cant function whatsoever with out them,,most top competetive are like that ,,they swim in drugs now days to a point they wont be able to function when they go off and thats why they shrink to unbelivable proportions,,
you neevr seen ray shrink like that when he was competetive,,,you never seen heny shrink like that ,,,or labrada,,guys today are simply drug addicts ,,4 -5 injects daily sometimes,,hand full of pills morning and then hand full of pills noon and then hand full of pills afternoon and then hand full of pills before bed,,then the insulin which is a whole diff protocol ,,simply drug addicts,,then duretics whenever they hold too much water even off season so they can mantain the paper skin look,,simply drug addicts 24/7 all year long,,,aometimes on vacation only 250-500mg used + gh + insulin thats natural times though ,,about few weeks out of the year
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I was Haney's last Olympia, I had been at the NOC earlier in the year when Dorian beat Sonny and the year before (I was the mc) when Momo won. I really thought that Yates would push Haney all the way. Yates probably over dieted a bit that year but I was thinking that the back shots would sort them out. Surprisingly it was the quarter turn to the side that sorted them. Haney was so thick. I had not realized until I saw him live just how thick he was through the chest. That is when the show was won.
I was also at the next Olympia when Yates won. I think he would have probably beaten Haney if Haney had competed. He had raised the bar again .... but that is another story..
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Haney is definitely not the most impressive Mr. O, but the reason he won 8 was because he was the best for all those years. The genetics of the 80s bodybuilders was the worst imo, he didnt have much competition
My Dad who knows nothing about bodybuilding was watching the top 6 of the 1985 or 86
Olympia with me as he was passing by the TV. He said.. "The big black guy is easily the winner."
He was so far ahead of anyone until 1989 when he came in a little off and Lee Labrada was near perfect.
A good big man will beat a good smaller man and that was the case in 1989.
I think Labrada should have beat Haney in 1990 because of the drug testing.
Labrada was about 90% where Haney looked like he had lost 15-20 pounds of muscle
and probably was about 75% of his best.
There was nobody during that time that could come close to his height, structure and muscle
combination until Yates gave him a run in 91.
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he deserved his wins but the competition was weak in the 80's
only one comparable was bob paris imo
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I don't think Yates would ever beat Haney unless he got another of his Weider gifts that took Nasser's 2 Olympias from him. A former racist criminal with a huge gut and tiny arms, no way imo.
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I don't think Yates would ever beat Haney unless he got another of his Weider gifts that took Nasser's 2 Olympias from him. A former racist criminal with a huge gut and tiny arms, no way imo.
quoted for truth
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He competed in the days when mass wasn't everything. Epic quality in his physique.
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Haney was the dominant mass monster in the mid eighties to early 90s (1991, to be exact). He had a back that set him apart from the rest, just like Dorian. And like Dorian, even though he had relatively weak arms, his torso and muscularity put him ahead of everyone. Flea Labrada looked great by himself, but got out-muscled big time next to Haney. Rich Gaspari's conditioning was always spot on, but he didn't have the overall look and flow of Haney's physique.
Bertil fox was up there, but couldn't nail his conditioning. Berry De Mey wasn't big enough to knock Haney off and Gary Strydom didn't have a back (like Nasser) that could de-throne Haney. So Haney just had the right combination at the right time. And he was pretty young when he stopped competing - 32, which goes to show that he could have upped the dosage to the 90s standards and continued to get bigger.
But he'd won 8 Olympias by then and I personally don't think he could have beaten Dorian after 1992.
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non of the guys were massive compared to today's standards...But when Lee turned around, it was obvious that he was that much better then anyone else that stepped on stage...
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I think Lee looked incredible and his best in 1991 and deservingly beat Yates. I would've really liked to see Haney '91 Vs. Yates '93!
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Great torso/chest and back/calves.
He was also a Jesus freak.
(http://www.strengthtech.com/photos/haney96p/lpups.jpg)
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Haney competed and was successful during a different era. Arnold, Lee, Dorian, and Ronnie all champions during their time. Insert the new guy within the next few years for comparison to Ronnie.
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The questionable win for Haney, in my opinion, was in 1990. Labrada looked @ 10% off, while haney was clearly NOT the Lee of 1986-88.
And why does it matter if he was a :Jesus Freak" or not? Why is that always an issue?
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In every aspect a 2008 Honda accord is technically superior to a 1969 mustang..horse power, better handling, AC......
but given a choice most people would choose the 'Stang.
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In every aspect a 2008 Honda accord is technically superior to a 1969 mustang..horse power, better handling, AC......
but given a choice most people would choose the 'Stang.
Nice analogy!
Especially if the 08 has a big ol' GUT!
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Haney's torso was more overpowering than anyone he competed with...on of the biggest lats to this day.
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Haney's torso was more overpowering than anyone he competed with...on of the biggest lats to this day.
Freaky bottom pic? Whis comp/year is that from?
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EVERY post dead on in haneys favor was great olympia,there were many great bbers he faced but they had flaws he didn't have.the main part is he outmassed them with shape to boot.gaspari and him trained together and the detailed article said gaspari kicked his ###,and haney said the kids a champ but in the end rich did beat him up but genetics prevailed and haney's frame was too much.luiz freitas,vic richards,fox,christian,scott wilson,older oliva at that point had the size but not the combo needed to beat him.
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Haney was DOMINANT in his era (to quote the very first bodybuilding video i ever purchased "it's Haney versus Haney onstage")
Mike Matarazzo told me when he first saw Haney in person it looked like "his back was alive there were things moving and shifting everywhere!"
Mike went on to say "im a hard guy to impress.........esp by bodybuilders,but when i saw Haney backstage i went bonkers"
right guy/right physique/right time!
Haney dominated the competition............. ....."The Awesome One"
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Freaky bottom pic? Whis comp/year is that from?
It was a guest posing at some NPC thing, i seen the pics when i used to post on Ironage....i would ask them if i was allowed back, but shawn perrine is a twat
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Talking bad about Haney is blasphemy IMO.............
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I am checking some Youtube videos right now and I don't see how nobody was able to beat this guy for 8 years
his legs were so fucking small compared to his torso that it looks ridiculous
weak arms as well
Speak on this mofos, what was so impressive about this guy ?
Arnold's legs were no bigger either
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Haney was lucky to beat Yates in 91 let alone 93. Haney would have been an after thought in the mid 90s
...because the judging standards changed to reward size over symmetry and conditioning.
Yates and Coleman and Cutler and the judging standards that rewarded their looks have taken pro bodybuilding in the wrong direction. Haney and the Mr. Olympias before him were much better for the "sport."
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...because the judging standards changed to reward size over symmetry and conditioning.
Yates and Coleman and Cutler and the judging standards that rewarded their looks have taken pro bodybuilding in the wrong direction. Haney and the Mr. Olympias before him were much better for the "sport."
well said
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Bodybuilders of the past decade are much, much more massive than ever before. It's unreasonable to think that the stomachs/waists would stay the same size. Combine that with the GH/Slin combo and boom,...guts. Also, does anyone else question Haney's weight claims? He claimed 250lbs in 1991, looks more like 225 ??? legs were SMALL
i was there is 91, Haney was probably 250 as reported. He was a little bigger than Yates at 242(?).
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...because the judging standards changed to reward size over symmetry and conditioning.
Yates and Coleman and Cutler and the judging standards that rewarded their looks have taken pro bodybuilding in the wrong direction. Haney and the Mr. Olympias before him were much better for the "sport."
Great post. I agree 100%. It also shows that people have become warped and far too accepting of huge guts, synthol and more muscle than a frame can handle when they say Haney looks terrible.
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Haney was the dominant mass monster in the mid eighties to early 90s (1991, to be exact). He had a back that set him apart from the rest, just like Dorian. And like Dorian, even though he had relatively weak arms, his torso and muscularity put him ahead of everyone. Flea Labrada looked great by himself, but got out-muscled big time next to Haney. Rich Gaspari's conditioning was always spot on, but he didn't have the overall look and flow of Haney's physique.
Bertil fox was up there, but couldn't nail his conditioning. Berry De Mey wasn't big enough to knock Haney off and Gary Strydom didn't have a back (like Nasser) that could de-throne Haney. So Haney just had the right combination at the right time. And he was pretty young when he stopped competing - 32, which goes to show that he could have upped the dosage to the 90s standards and continued to get bigger.
But he'd won 8 Olympias by then and I personally don't think he could have beaten Dorian after 1992.
Good points. There were some great bodybuilders back then but Haney was the best. Those claiming that he had weak competition are daft. Go check out some old pics of those competitors. Great physiques but Haney was better. ;)
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I am checking some Youtube videos right now and I don't see how nobody was able to beat this guy for 8 years
his legs were so fucking small compared to his torso that it looks ridiculous
weak arms as well
Speak on this mofos, what was so impressive about this guy ?
Realistically, there was a couple years where it could have gone either way by conditionion & symmetry.
But for the most part....Haney killed the competion the day of the contest
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Sweet Potatoes
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I have to find a shot of his front relaxed
most imbalanced physique ever
i agree with you 100 percent on Haney, small arms and legs.
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i was there is 91, Haney was probably 250 as reported. He was a little bigger than Yates at 242(?).
Yates was 239 lbs in 91 and Haney was 249 pounds.
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He competed in the days when mass wasn't everything. Epic quality in his physique.
Bullshit; it was called politics to be able to win even one show with that kind of imbalance even though the torso was great and nothing else.
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I have to find a shot of his front relaxed
most imbalanced physique ever
Agreed; the most frightening thing is the sheer number of fools on getbig who actually believe all those "wins" were deserved.
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Haney was lucky to beat Yates in 91 let alone 93. Haney would have been an after thought in the mid 90s
Why don't you just come out and admit that you're a 21 year old geek with a preference no a major bias against non-white BBs? It's time to come out.. :-*
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I started lifting in the Haney/Gaspari era and Haney was indeed the man. To judge him using today's criteria is as unfair and judging our bbers by tomorrow's standards.
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Because Yates was a pioneer of HGH. Haney was the last great champ between the Pumping Iron era and the new age of HGH and insulin abuse. It's ridiculous to compare him to peak Yates as Yates ushered in a whole new (terrible) age that led to the guts and more muscle than frames can handle. When they competed on a level drug playing field Haney was a worthy winner.
Haney was a boring kind of guy but he pretty much deserved every single title he won, far less controversially than the likes of some of Yates' , Coleman's and Cutler's.
Agree with the 1st paragraph, there was a big difference in drug cocktails.
2nd paragraph no, many of the wins were political there's no excusing that many wins with that type of gross physique imbalance. Nothing else on the physique ever matched the great torso, unfortunately but he got lots of points behind the scenes for being the kind of eloquent spokesman Weider and the IFBB wanted, plus there was no one else clearly better to make the questionable decisions obvious.
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A lot of the Yates fans seem to be young, white and very racist.
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If anything Haney was the most genetically gifted of all time.
Absurd, you really don't know BB. Great torso, gross imbalance elsewhere, nowhere near the top guys genetically speaking. If he had been and had been truly balanced, he'd have deserved multiple wins.
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Well then who in your opinion should have beaten Haney during the 80's?
He won 8 because he was the best of that era, not today.
No one should've necessarily beaten him, because there was no one else great at their peak during that time.
However that's not the same as saying that he was really an all-time great; he wasn't.
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Haney is definitely not the most impressive Mr. O, but the reason he won 8 was because he was the best for all those years. The genetics of the 80s bodybuilders was the worst imo, he didnt have much competition
Bingo
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Absurd, you really don't know BB. Great torso, gross imbalance elsewhere, nowhere near the top guys genetically speaking. If he had been and had been truly balanced, he'd have deserved multiple wins.
The irony of you saying someone doesn't know bodybuilding , you'll gloss right over Ronnie's blatantly obvious imbalance & proportion issues and hoop & holla about others , and all because Ronnie has better ' show muscles ; as you call them
Lee Haney dominated in a way Coleman couldn't for a reason , he had something Coleman didn't aesthetics and size
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The irony of you saying someone doesn't know bodybuilding , you'll gloss right over Ronnie's blatantly obvious imbalance & proportion issues and hoop & holla about others , and all because Ronnie has better ' show muscles ; as you call them
Lee Haney dominated in a way Coleman couldn't for a reason , he had something Coleman didn't aesthetics and size
ND = IFBB shill
According to this genius, show results and judging are beyong reproach so of course this is the stock answer even though he can't explain Columbu over Padilla in 1981 lol
Coleman's balance in the late 90s was better than Haney's, with far better size as well.
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ND = IFBB shill
According to this genius, show results and judging are beyong reproach so of course this is the stock answer even though he can't explain Columbu over Padilla in 1981 lol
Again pumpster explain Coleman 2001/2002 I'm still waiting ;)
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Absurd, you really don't know BB. Great torso, gross imbalance elsewhere, nowhere near the top guys genetically speaking. If he had been and had been truly balanced, he'd have deserved multiple wins.
It's an opinion. Bit of an immature response. Both Rich Gaspari and Labrada said he had insane genetics. Having good genetics doesn't mean that all your bodyparts are perfect since no bodybuilder has ever had that - Arnold had small legs and biceps that dominated his arms/ Yates had smallish arms/Coleman had a disgusting stomach, gyno and no calves. I mean one of the most genetically blessed in terms of how easily it all came to him..the lack of intensity he needed to generate the clearly dominant physique of the time. If he'd used the cocktails of a Coleman he might have been even more impressive since much of this relies on someone's response to hormones.
This is a direct quote from Rich Gaspari (who knows a bit more about bodybuilding than 'Pumpster' from the internet) :
Rich – Out of all the guys I competed against, I would say Lee Haney had some of the best genetics. You know, even at the Olympia, he wasn’t perfect. I thought he had weak legs, weak calves and I thought he could have had better separation in his thighs. But, when you saw his waist to shoulder differential at that time, he had the best out there.
I trained with him and he was a guy who had great genetics. He didn’t have to train as hard as I did and the guy had the genes to look the way he did.
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This is such an amazing shot of Haney just textbook perfect front double biceps shot
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I have to agree ND. Imo the least controversial champion of all time. He crushed everybody and none of them complain about it. However, I perfectly accept that people will not agree as much of this is subjective... can still keep it respectful eh pumpster?
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i agree with you 100 percent on Haney, small arms and legs.
let's see yours stud ;D
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I have to agree ND. Imo the least controversial champion of all time. He crushed everybody and none of them complain about it. However, I perfectly accept that people will not agree as much of this is subjective... can still keep it respectful eh pumpster?
I agree except for maybe 2 of the eight years
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Here's another reason why he won............
(http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e196/Intenseone/lh107.jpg)
You just don't see detail like that on anyone anymore :'(
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This is such an amazing shot of Haney just textbook perfect front double biceps shot
colemen is not a pimple on haneys ass!
haney was farrrr superior!
easilly the most dominant mr o of alltime!
the retards who say hes small now would have been in awe of him durring the 80's, way way more untouchable then coleman.. no one on the planet ever thought haney would lose, unlike coleman who had many close calls.
what a fuckin joke, coleman would be booed off the stage if he stood next to haney!
haney has it all right down to the calves...
look at the pathetic midsection, the calves the flow, total destruction
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Lee Haney dominated in a way Coleman couldn't for a reason , he had something Coleman didn't aesthetics and size
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bull fucking shit:
explain these comparisons dumbass:
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ronnie owns haney:
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not even close:
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Haney would have KILLED to look like Ronnie:
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bull fucking shit:
explain these comparisons dumbass:
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ronnie owns haney:
WRONG Ronnie never dominated like Haney , and unlike Coleman , Haney combined mass & asesthetics in a way again Coleman could not , does that mean he could beat Ronnie? NO but he still dominated his contemporaries and he is still a hell of a lot more aesthetic than Ronnie
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Haney was great for sure
Flea Labrada and Ripped Richie were his only competition and they were like 4 feet tall
come on now
(http://www.ifbb.com/halloffame/1999/LeeHaney2.jpg)
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Haney would have KILLED to look like Ronnie:
yeah killed lol
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lol sure ND ::)
the final nail in ND's dream fantasy coffin:
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yeah killed lol
notice I am taking Haney shots from 1991, his best ever shape and you are using shots of Coleman in his worst LOL
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try this on for size:
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yes ND, KILLED:
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its amazing the favorites ND plays.
one of the reasons he cites Ronnie has having bad aesthetics is his abdominals, yet Haney had some of the most famously bad abs going, equally as bad as Ronnie's:
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care to comment ND lol
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Haney would have KILLED to look like Ronnie:
lol, if haney was in the 2000 era with the shit colemen was on there would be nothing to compare!
put up some pics of ronnie pre slin/gh, total piece of shit that would have never ammounted to dick without the help of y2k pharmaceuticals!
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notice I am taking Haney shots from 1991, his best ever shape and you are using shots of Coleman in his worst LOL
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try this on for size:
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I love how you're bitching about using proper pictures thats mad funny ! and again Haney dominated unlike Coleman and he combined size & aesthetics here is Ronnie at his best
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Haney would have KILLED to look like Ronnie:
Different eras with totally different drugs. I'm not necessarily disagreeing with you but to post Coleman at his peak against a guy who took far, far less and different drugs... doesn't totally disclude the possibility that Haney had the potential to be better given a level playing field.
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not even close:
ronnie lloks like garbage in that second pick why even put it up? ???
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its amazing the favorites ND plays.
one of the reasons he cites Ronnie has having bad aesthetics is his abdominals, yet Haney had some of the most famously bad abs going, equally as bad as Ronnie's:
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care to comment ND lol
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Yeah ONE of the reasons NOT all of the reasons ;)
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I love how you're bitching about using proper pictures thats mad funny ! and again Haney dominated unlike Coleman and he combined size & aesthetics here is Ronnie at his best
total destruction, look at those fuckin lats :o
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plus the photography equiptment is much better now then it was in the 80's for taking on location contest shots..
Haney was much much more impressive then the cameras of those days can show!
Allt the stuff you see of haney is scanned, colemens is all the best digital photography has to offer...
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um - wow :o
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if i could have the build of any pro bber ever, it would be haney. watch the clip of him '91 Olympia. perfect combination of size, cuts and aesthetics. obviously he couldnt hold a candle to a '98 ronnie in a bbing competition, i would rather have his build anyday, big in the right places, tiny waist and no gut, could actually move like a normal human being
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Who is the guy in the left, Blechman?
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Who is the guy in the left, Blechman?
Wonder if the guy on the right ever saw anybody get his bodyfat measured?
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it's totally obvious that Ronnie is the better bodybuilder between the two
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Seems as though Haney was leaps and bounds ahead of his nearest competition.
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bull fucking shit:
explain these comparisons dumbass:
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ronnie owns haney:
I noticed how you put up the shots of Coleman before he totally fucked up his body, granted he did look better when he looked like the pic you just posted....but Haney was a man of principle and consistancy. The Ronnie of the later years (2003-4 to his retirement) couldn't hold a candle to Haney. It's was the IFBB judges to bring consistancy to the judging system....they didn't and now you have freaks with no detail, no symmetry and can't pose worth a shit, I TOTALLY blame the judging system for the way the industry has taken the wrong turn and now it's up to them to bring back the standard of quality that once was.
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Ronnie 2003 destroys Haney Joe :o
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I noticed how you put up the shots of Coleman before he totally fucked up his body, granted he did look better when he looked like the pic you just posted....but Haney was a man of principle and consistancy. The Ronnie of the later years (2003-4 to his retirement) couldn't hold a candle to Haney. It's was the IFBB judges to bring consistancy to the judging system....they didn't and now you have freaks with no detail, no symmetry and can't pose worth a shit, I TOTALLY blame the judging system for the way the industry has taken the wrong turn and now it's up to them to bring back the standard of quality that once was.
What's the latest on the Ronnie baby mama drama?
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What's the latest on the Ronnie baby mama drama?
Dunno, don't really follow the drama threads, you know the Ronnie/Adela, Milos/Nasser threads.
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as good as Haney was, he could not match this:
http://www.dailymotion.com/tag/Coleman/video/x3w9ak_ronnie-coleman-1999-mr-olympia-part_sport
sorry.
if we are comparing the two at their bests, despite what the resident retard ND would like to think, its not even close.
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as good as Haney was, he could not match this:
http://www.dailymotion.com/tag/Coleman/video/x3w9ak_ronnie-coleman-1999-mr-olympia-part_sport
sorry.
if we are comparing the two at their bests, despite what the resident retard ND would like to think, its not even close.
I agree. I think ND is just doing his usual anti-coleman propaganda, even though he'll deny it ;D
If we are comparing them at their peaks, Haney couldn't hold a candle to Ronnie - it's not even debatable, unlike Dorian Vs Ronnie (even that isn't IMO, with the advantage going to Ronnie). Ronnie and Haney were both around the same height and Ronnie destroys Haney with his muscularity.
Haney could have filled out his frame with about 25 - 40 lbs of muscle and could have achieved the freaky look of the 97 Dorian (excluding the arm of course) or even Ronnie at 260+. But back in the 80s, 240 - 250 was HUGE for a 5'11" bodybuilder and Haney was considered a freak like Ronnie was, at his prime.
ND, you can post bad pics of Ronnie cause there's plenty of them out there. All the pics in the world aren't going to change the fact that Haney would be a distant second to Ronnie. And don't bring in the 'Haney was dominant during his reign' argument, lol - I'm only evaluating their physiques, nothing else
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A lot of the Yates fans seem to be young, white and very racist.
A lot of the Nasser fans seem to be retarded.
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I agree. I think ND is just doing his usual anti-coleman propaganda, even though he'll deny it ;D
If we are comparing them at their peaks, Haney couldn't hold a candle to Ronnie - it's not even debatable, unlike Dorian Vs Ronnie (even that isn't IMO, with the advantage going to Ronnie). Ronnie and Haney were both around the same height and Ronnie destroys Haney with his muscularity.
Haney could have filled out his frame with about 25 - 40 lbs of muscle and could have achieved the freaky look of the 97 Dorian (excluding the arm of course) or even Ronnie at 260+. But back in the 80s, 240 - 250 was HUGE for a 5'11" bodybuilder and Haney was considered a freak like Ronnie was, at his prime.
ND, you can post bad pics of Ronnie cause there's plenty of them out there. All the pics in the world aren't going to change the fact that Haney would be a distant second to Ronnie. And don't bring in the 'Haney was dominant during his reign' argument, lol - I'm only evaluating their physiques, nothing else
Please show me where I posted Haney would beat Ronnie? please do ;)
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as good as Haney was, he could not match this:
http://www.dailymotion.com/tag/Coleman/video/x3w9ak_ronnie-coleman-1999-mr-olympia-part_sport
sorry.
if we are comparing the two at their bests, despite what the resident retard ND would like to think, its not even close.
WRONG Ronnie never dominated like Haney , and unlike Coleman , Haney combined mass & asesthetics in a way again Coleman could not , does that mean he could beat Ronnie? NO but he still dominated his contemporaries and he is still a hell of a lot more aesthetic than Ronnie
Hulkster you have very poor comprehension skills , please show me where I said Haney would beat Ronnie , I stated two very obvious facts , Haney combined mass & aesthetics in a way Ronnie couldn't and he dominated his competitors again like Ronnie couldn't , does this mean he could beat Ronnie? NO can you follow the bouncing ball? pay attention and get your head out of your ass for once. ;)
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Who is the guy in the left, Blechman?
Thats Blechman lol Jimmy " The Bull " Pellachia , Haney and Jim Quinn
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Haney combined mass & aesthetics in a way Ronnie couldn't and he dominated his competitors again like Ronnie couldn't ,
NOONE and i repeat NOONE managed this better than Nasser in the history of the sport. he was the only mass monster who had perfect beauty and flowing physique. more than coleman or haney
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NOONE and i repeat NOONE managed this better than Nasser in the history of the sport. he was the only mass monster who had perfect beauty and flowing physique. more than coleman or haney
flowing? ' perfect beauty ' ? lol
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why do you keep posting that condensed fake off season picture of Nasser El Sonbaty?
you are a Yates lover, do you want me to post the picture of Kovas and Yates looking the same? nasser was the most pleasing mass monster of all time FACT
OWNED
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why do you keep posting that condensed fake off season picture of Nasser El Sonbaty?
you are a Yates lover, do you want me to post the picture of Kovas and Yates looking the same? nasser was the most pleasing mass monster of all time FACT
OWNED
Its not condensed or fake its part of a series , anything else you need corrected?
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off season and he'd just drunk lots of water.
you get owned on every thread you post on. you're pretty much a joke to most
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100% authentic.
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plus the photography equiptment is much better now then it was in the 80's for taking on location contest shots..
Haney was much much more impressive then the cameras of those days can show!
Allt the stuff you see of haney is scanned, colemens is all the best digital photography has to offer...
First-rate excuses.
BTW it's Coleman, singular not plural. ::)
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WRONG Ronnie never dominated like Haney , and unlike Coleman , Haney combined mass & asesthetics in a way again Coleman could not , does that mean he could beat Ronnie? NO but he still dominated his contemporaries and he is still a hell of a lot more aesthetic than Ronnie
MELTDOWN
Wrong also. Haney's competition was weak.
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MELTDOWN
Wrong also. Haney's competition was weak.
lmfao meltdown give me a break , come back when you're working with someone , and Ronnie's competition was so spectacular? he was nearly beaten by a past his prime Levrone and Jay Cutler lol this is competition? at his best he was nearly beaten by a washed up Flex Wheeler
again bottom line Yates & Haney dominated in a way Coleman couldn't replicate you can use your politics excuse or your shows muscles excuse but it wont change the facts
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off season and he'd just drunk lots of water.
you get owned on every thread you post on. you're pretty much a joke to most
Yawn any more excuses? where is the perfect beauty? where is the aesthetic flow? yeah I thought so . ;)
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lee"totally awesome"haney 8)
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Please show me where I posted Haney would beat Ronnie? please do ;)
OK, I'll give you that one in exchange for your admitting that at their respective bests, Ronnie is physically superior to Dorian. Fair? :P ;D
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off season and he'd just drunk lots of water.
you get owned on every thread you post on. you're pretty much a joke to most
Good excuse. ::)
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I love how ND talks bullshit about how peak Ronnie "could not combine mass and aesthetics like Haney did" when in reality it was HANEY who could not match a peak Ronnie for the combo of these traits:
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and as we can see, from head to toe, Ronnie's muscles had much better shape than even the great lee haney.
thats part of why Ronnie 99 'advanced the sport' the night he won the olympia that year, according to Peter McGough
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I love how ND talks bullshit about how peak Ronnie "could not combine mass and aesthetics like Haney did" when in reality it was HANEY who could not match a peak Ronnie for the combo of these traits:
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I'm afraid Ronnie's waist could not match Haney's during his prime, and that is the major crime.
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I'm afraid Ronnie's waist could not match Haney's during his prime, and that is the major crime.
hard to say, Ronnie had a waist on a 257 pound frame, whereas Haney was a lot smaller than that.
in terms of absolute size, Haney's was smaller. In terms of relative size, Coleman could match him
this is a crazy taper:
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hard to say, Ronnie had a waist on a 257 pound frame, whereas Haney was a lot smaller than that.
in terms of absolute size, Haney's was smaller. In terms of relative size, Coleman could match him
this is a crazy taper:
Like you said, I believe the overall mass in relation to waist is relative, and Haney should get credit.
Besides, without Haney pushing Dorian, there would be no mass like Ronnie.
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hahaha I am not sure if Stavios is that naive or if he is just messing with us.
First time I met you Steevios you looked much bigger then what i gave you credit for on pictures.
Now think Haney who has 10 times your size and 20 times your shape in real life... you would simply gawk!
Not to mention his presence alone is enough to make anyone envious. Flex, Shawn, Chris all consider Haney a great champion and knew enough to give him space for the champs meal time. All of those guys became great bodybuilders and yet they are probably still in awe of Lee's physique!
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lee"totally awesome"haney 8)
No coincidence that all the good pics of Haney basically hide the serious deficiencies by focusing on the torso.
The man had serious shortcomings despite Olympia gifts rivalled only by Yates.
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I'm afraid Ronnie's waist could not match Haney's during his prime, and that is the major crime.
Colman's taper was comparable, and he had better balance and far better size.
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The man had serious shortcomings despite Olympia gifts rivalled only by Yates.
You have twice contradicted yourself.
First, you say that Haney was given gifts. Then, later on, you agreed with someone that there was not anyone good enough to beat him as it was a bad era for bodybuilding.
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You have twice contradicted yourself.
First, you say that Haney was given gifts. Then, later on, you agreed with someone that there was not anyone good enough to beat him as it was a bad era for bodybuilding.
On those rare moments he does commit to an opinion ignorance & bias always make him stick his foot in his mouth , thats why he usually just sticks to brief comments and then runs when called on his stupidity
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Oh... the cry of politics... the last sad bitter defense of a man who has no credible evidence to support his theory...
The only thing pumpster knows is Big Arms=good, and Most Muscular=The only pose that matters. Oh, and that as a general rule, black bodybuilders=good and white=bad.
I quoted on oh his quotes for posterity, saying something to the effect of
LOL ok buddy lash out with more speculation about me, about her hahahaha talk about a narrow demographic amongst many on getbig. I'm gay because i don't agree with the angry white guy segment here. ;D
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ND puts a lot of weight on relaxed poses and some of the classical poses and even posing in general.
Ronnie will beat Lee on a number of poses (MM as so obviously shown above), yet ND will post a picture of both of them in a crucifix type pose and use that as proof that Lee is better than Ronnie overall for aesthetics, and that is simply untrue.
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You have twice contradicted yourself.
First, you say that Haney was given gifts. Then, later on, you agreed with someone that there was not anyone good enough to beat him as it was a bad era for bodybuilding.
Completely wrong conclusion, easy-reader. It never occured to you that those two things aren't mutually exclusive and thus could've happened concurrently lol
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I'm afraid Ronnie's waist could not match Haney's during his prime, and that is the major crime.
Truly silly. Few if any others of Haney's height had that tiny waist, thus it was great but hardly essential to all the other winners including Coleman.
Unfortunately the rest of Haney wasn't as superlative as the waist and lats that you obsess on, to the exclusion of anything else, my myopic easy-reader. ;D You're quite remarkable in your ability to ignore the rest, in your Haney fascination. :-* :-*
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On those rare moments he does commit to an opinion ignorance & bias always make him stick his foot in his mouth , thats why he usually just sticks to brief comments and then runs when called on his stupidity
Here was have our resident getbig obsessive obsessing over an erroneous assumption, as i've already pointed out and demolished lol
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Oh... the cry of politics... the last sad bitter defense of a man who has no credible evidence to support his theory...
The only thing pumpster knows is Big Arms=good, and Most Muscular=The only pose that matters. Oh, and that as a general rule, black bodybuilders=good and white=bad.
I quoted on oh his quotes for posterity, saying something to the effect of
Only a naif like you would discount it lol
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ND puts a lot of weight on relaxed poses and some of the classical poses and even posing in general.
Ronnie will beat Lee on a number of poses (MM as so obviously shown above), yet ND will post a picture of both of them in a crucifix type pose and use that as proof that Lee is better than Ronnie overall for aesthetics, and that is simply untrue.
It fits well with self-delusion and accompanying deflections. Those poses are accompanied by gems like "bad lighting" and "bad angle" all the while obsessing only on black and white, non-contest Yates shots hahahaahhaa
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ND puts a lot of weight on relaxed poses and some of the classical poses and even posing in general.
Ronnie will beat Lee on a number of poses (MM as so obviously shown above), yet ND will post a picture of both of them in a crucifix type pose and use that as proof that Lee is better than Ronnie overall for aesthetics, and that is simply untrue.
No he's better in aesthetics because his GUT isn't spilling out all over the place thats one of the reasons
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No he's better in aesthetics because his GUT isn't spilling out all over the place thats one of the reasons
the lack of a gut does not make up for the alien abs that lie there (just like ronnie) or the inferior muscle shape in pretty much EVERY part from head to toe..
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Ronnie at his best had a shape along the lines of Flex 93, something that Haney never had:
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Only a naif like you would discount it lol
Way to conveniently ignore the rest of the post.
I don't discount it. It's simply a last resort; seeing as you can only spout intelligent sounding words with absolutely ZERO content in those posts. You have your opinions, and with no actual fact to back up your opinions, you find the absolute worst pics you can find and repost them ad nauseum for 1700 pages.
Pumpster in a nutshell
"(quote of Hulkster/Sculpture/Other Dorian hater)
Pithy and concise (insert pic of yates/kovacs, yates bending over, and yates 94/97 in transition"
Not to mention your various anti-white bodybuilder remarks. Oh, and your claiming to do well for yourself while your home looks like a slum.
You're a fucking joke.
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Here was have our resident getbig obsessive obsessing over an erroneous assumption, as i've already pointed out and demolished lol
Yeah sure , you can't hide from your contradictions , just like politics played heavily in Yates reign but somehow never came into play for Ronnie's lol 2001/2002 should I continue pointing out your contradictions?
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the lack of a gut does not make up for the alien abs that lie there (just like ronnie) or the inferior muscle shape in pretty much EVERY part from head to toe..
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Ronnie at his best had a shape along the lines of Flex 93, something that Haney never had:
Poor comparison.
I see Haney having a bigger chest, smaller waist, and whole lot less blocky-looking.
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the lack of a gut does not make up for the alien abs that lie there (just like ronnie) or the inferior muscle shape in pretty much EVERY part from head to toe..
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Ronnie at his best had a shape along the lines of Flex 93, something that Haney never had:
LMMFAO the best lines since Flex 93 your hero-worship knows no bounds , again you always made the claim Ronnie was aesthetic but where was he on the top 20 again? yeah I though so
Ronnie is 247 pounds in this pic only a ignorant fan-boy with think this is aesthetic
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Way to conveniently ignore the rest of the post.
I don't discount it. It's simply a last resort; seeing as you can only spout intelligent sounding words with absolutely ZERO content in those posts. You have your opinions, and with no actual fact to back up your opinions, you find the absolute worst pics you can find and repost them ad nauseum for 1700 pages.
Pumpster in a nutshell
"(quote of Hulkster/Sculpture/Other Dorian hater)
Pithy and concise (insert pic of yates/kovacs, yates bending over, and yates 94/97 in transition"
Not to mention your various anti-white bodybuilder remarks. Oh, and your claiming to do well for yourself while your home looks like a slum.
You're a fucking joke.
Great post because its right on the money !
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Poor comparison.
I see Haney having a bigger chest, smaller waist, and whole lot less blocky-looking.
Hulkster has a strange dysfunction; he thinks Ronnie is the epitome of everything bodybuilding. He cant comprehend that Ronnie is put together all fucked up.
Huge and Shredded?
Yes/usually.
Proportionate? Fuck no.
Symmetry? Decent.
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LMMFAO the best lines since Flex 93 your hero-worship knows no bounds , again you always made the claim Ronnie was aesthetic but where was he on the top 20 again? yeah I though so
Ronnie is 247 pounds in this pic only a ignorant fan-boy with think this is aesthetic
That's not a mandatory pose, dickweed.
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he thinks Ronnie is the epitome of everything bodybuilding
well, when you look this good, its hard not to, and its an opinion that MANY people share..
eg. Peter McGough for one - 99 ronnie "advanced the sport" the night he won, 2001 AC ronnie the 'best he has ever seen'
you don't get higher accolades that that..
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Poor comparison.
I see Haney having a bigger chest, smaller waist, and whole lot less blocky-looking.
maybe so, in that particular shot.
but the fact remains that peak ronnie can match lee in the mass + aesthetics department easily:
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Pumpster - in this case they are mutually exclusive.
You have said that haney was undeservingly given his titles because he was popular with weider.
You then agreed - as you seem to agree with anyone who will say something negative about him - with a guy who made a contra argument. He said that haney did deserve his titles but only because the competition was so weak. The argument had nothing to do with haney being given gifts, it was simply that he was the best of a bad bunch.
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Also, why not just respect that some people will disagree? There are objective judging critieria but much is simply subjective preference. You insult everyone who doesn't agree with you. It's juvenile. Some people will put haneys tight waist and broad shoulders above what you like. That's life.
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never seen worse legs on an Olympia COMPETITOR let alone winner than Lee Haney, absolutely zero sweep or size.
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never seen worse legs on an Olympia COMPETITOR let alone winner than Lee Haney, absolutely zero sweep or size.
I think dorian's were worse.
near zero definition from the front:
:-[
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Dorian's thickness and harness is utterly incredible in this shot. No one even comes close.
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=198170.0;attach=231349;image)
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Dorian's thickness and harness is utterly incredible in this shot. No one even comes close.
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=198170.0;attach=231349;image)
Most folks would call that a banana hammock, not a harness. :-\
You'll have to ask Bay if it's incredible....
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well, when you look this good, its hard not to, and its an opinion that MANY people share..
eg. Peter McGough for one - 99 ronnie "advanced the sport" the night he won, 2001 AC ronnie the 'best he has ever seen'
you don't get higher accolades that that..
Sure you do when McGough states Dorian at 269 pounds would beat Ronnie 2001 ASC ;) I know you'd like to forget about that and couple that with Ronnie himself right before the 1999 Mr Olympia and a few weeks ago stating he couldn't beat Dorian and your hero-worship is all you have left.
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Your brain is small you dishlicker!
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Your brain is small you dishlicker!
no no, ND is a burger flipper.
he works at McDonald's 8)
can't you tell? hahahaha
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no no, ND is a burger flipper.
he works at McDonald's 8)
can't you tell? hahahaha
I love how when you're own you go for personal attacks it shows what you're working with
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I love how when you're own you go for personal attacks it shows what you're working with
no, it shows how dumb you are, that you think that THIS is better than a peak Ronnie..
its a sign of Happy Meal Intelligence LOL
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no, it shows how dumb you are, that you think that THIS is better than a peak Ronnie..
its a sign of Happy Meal Intelligence LOL
No it shows how desperate you are ;) Ronnie already conceded defeat to a less than perfect Yates never mind a prime operating one and you think posting one pic means anything? I could collect empty cans for a living I've proven time and time again I know more about competitive bodybuilding than you ;)
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I could collect empty cans for a living
only if McDonald's will give you a good reference...
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only if McDonald's will give you a good reference...
:-*
Again deflection is your new M.O. personal attacks and deflection . hey what else do you have in the face of this?
Special Ed : Ronnie of Dorian competed in 1998 would you have smoked him?
Ronnie Coleman : NO I think he would have kept on winning as long as he competed I don't think he would have lost.
Taken out of FLEX nov 1999, page 90. interview by jim schmaltz with ronnie before the 99 Olympia.
Jim: What would have happened last year if Dorian Yates (recently retired winner of 6 straight Mr. Olympias) had competed?
Ronnie: Dorian would have won again.
Jim: You think so?
Ronnie: I know so. Dorian has a big physique - hard- and he's been the man to beat, and its hard to knock the champion off the block. He's a big guy and has a lot going for him. He overcame so many adversities, like his torn biceps, I couldnt see too much else stopping him.
the second quote is literally right before the 1999 Mr Olympia a contest in which you said Ronnie would beat Yates , these quotes stop your bullshit dead in it's tracks all you have left is hate for the messenger when its the message you can't stand.
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Lol..why do these kind of threads always degenerate into insults? These are opinions, not facts. It's like two guys arguing because one of them prefers spinach over broccoli.
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hey what else do you have in the face of this?
tell us what YOU have:
an opinion made out of respect and a commentary on the politics of the day (the Mr. O's never lost)
and one that is NOT VALIDATED by ANYTHING IN REAL LIFE.
If Ronnie had said UFO's came and swept him up last night, there is just as much evidence for the truth of that statement as there is for Ronnie 98 losing to a late career dorian
sorry.
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These are opinions, not facts
wrong.
because if you know how to evaluate physiques in bodybuilding and do it properly, nothing dorian ever presented was better than this:
http://www.dailymotion.com/tag/Coleman/video/x3w9ak_ronnie-coleman-1999-mr-olympia-part_sport
its only one or two nuthuggers on this thread that think so...
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tell us what YOU have:
an opinion made out of respect and a commentary on the politics of the day (the Mr. O's never lost)
and one that is NOT VALIDATED by ANYTHING IN REAL LIFE.
If Ronnie had said UFO's came and swept him up last night, there is just as much evidence for the truth of that statement as there is for Ronnie 98 losing to a late career dorian
sorry.
isn't one 1600+ page thread enough...get the fuck out of this thread already. It's so fucking old at this point...do either of you really CARE that much?
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tell us what YOU have:
an opinion made out of respect and a commentary on the politics of the day (the Mr. O's never lost)
and one that is NOT VALIDATED by ANYTHING IN REAL LIFE.
If Ronnie had said UFO's came and swept him up last night, there is just as much evidence for the truth of that statement as there is for Ronnie 98 losing to a late career dorian
sorry.
LMFAO no you have an opinion of of respect & FEAR for a reason , spare me the politic pumpster again these quotes killed the truce tread and everything you ever typed. ;)
and Ronnie's isn't talking about UFO's he's talking about a man he faced 8 times and lost to for a reason , Yates dominated even at his worse thats a fact
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wrong.
because if you know how to evaluate physiques in bodybuilding and do it properly, nothing dorian ever presented was better than this:
http://www.dailymotion.com/tag/Coleman/video/x3w9ak_ronnie-coleman-1999-mr-olympia-part_sport
its only one or two nuthuggers on this thread that think so...
No Ronnie thinks so , Peter McGough thinks so , what else are you left with? and properly evaluate physiques lmfao you're the same guy who claimed Ronnie 1999 has more detailed calves than Dorian Yates , and he's more grainy , oh and how about how Yates lost the 1993 Mr Olympia to Flex Wheeler ,. how Matt Mendenhall was blocky and Lee Labrada had crappy abs & calves , and your most recent ignorant claim Gary Strydom improved his back by the WBF lol soley based on these statements its clear you don't know the first thing about competitive bodybuilding .
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Man, if you two guys spent your time actually working out in the gym rather than bantering back and forth for eternity, you might actually weigh more than 165lbs soaking wet. I guess I admire your passion for arguing your point of view, but you guys gotta direct it and focus it on something more productive....like actually working out. When do you guys have the time to actually step foot in a gym?
Simply put:
Dorian = best during his time period.
Ronnie = best during his time period.
Haney = best during his time period.
Difference between the three:
Haney = injury-free, no torn muscles, great wife and kids, left the sport on his own terms rather than forced out due to injury, living a great, fulfilling life outside of competitive BB, nothing left to prove.
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Anyone have the side chest pics of dorian and Haney? They show just how massive and thick haneys chest is. Totally trumps yates
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Anyone have the side chest pics of dorian and Haney? They show just how massive and thick haneys chest is. Totally trumps yates
totally trumping dorian is very common:
but try telling that to the nuthuggers.. ::)
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both Ronnie and Haney have far more massive chests than dorian ever did..
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PUMPSTER you are a retard. This thread has nothing to do with Yates or Ronnie, yet look what u made it morph into!
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PUMPSTER you are a retard. This thread has nothing to do with Yates or Ronnie, yet look what u made it morph into!
Of course.
The silence you hear comes as the remaining members of "team Yates" jump ship..
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No Ronnie thinks so , Peter McGough thinks so , what else are you left with? and properly evaluate physiques lmfao you're the same guy who claimed Ronnie 1999 has more detailed calves than Dorian Yates , and he's more grainy , oh and how about how Yates lost the 1993 Mr Olympia to Flex Wheeler ,. how Matt Mendenhall was blocky and Lee Labrada had crappy abs & calves , and your most recent ignorant claim Gary Strydom improved his back by the WBF lol soley based on these statements its clear you don't know the first thing about competitive bodybuilding .
Ronnie is better than Dorian, now please STFU about it! Discuss.
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Of course.
The silence you hear comes as the remaining members of "team Yates" jump ship..
Team Yates is alive and well! 3 deep!
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Haney is one of my top 3 favorite bb's, and I will say that Haney's peak condition will not compare to Coleman at his best. And even if Haney would have taken the same drugs and amounts that Coleman did, he still probably would not match Coleman's totall package around 1998.
But we don't really know. Haney had maybe a better chest anyway. His torso had potential to be as big as Coleman's, and maybe with a slightly slimmer waist. And his calves were better, but Haney's arm would have never matched Coleman's, no matter what drugs he was on.
During Haney's era, bb's still mostly trained on 3 day splits, 6 days a week, hitting every body part twice a week. and they were on far less drugs than today, where most current bodybuilders train each bodypart once a week. As far as his torso was concerned, this training didn't hinder Haney. But maybe for smaller muscle groups like bi's and tri's, this workload was too much. Not only were arms hit directly twice a week, but also getting worked when he did chest, back and shoulders. Now, like I already stated, Haney didn't have the genetics for arms like Coleman, but maybe if he had trained in a more modern manner, with a more modern drug regimen, than they might have been much better. when he was younger, Haney said he built most of his mass training only 4 day a week, but he still hit everything twice a week.
Now one could say this theory is way off, since Haney's legs were small, and legs are a big muscle group like chest, back and shoulders. But like already stated in this thread, almost no one had huge legs back then. Haney's were good enough to win, so why bust his ass to get bigger. I think on a whole, bodybuilders didn't squat anywhere near as much weight as they do now. I am sure on average, today's bb's are stronger all around, but especially so in the legs.
I think when you compare bodybuilders or athletes from different era's, it is more fair to compare how they did against everyone else of their time period. Both Haney and Coleman were able to beat everyone else using comparable drug and training programs, so both are great.
If Haney would have been born later, and turned pro in the mid to late 90's, instead of 1983, his physique would have blown away the real Haney package that we are discussing in this thread. Would he have been as good as Coleman?
Probably not. But we don't know for sure. Just like we don't know how Coleman would have looked, if his prime years were during the 1980's.
But I will say that I do know both of them would have been great. If you can dominate an era, you would have been near the top at least, no matter when you competed. Especially from the 80's on. After the popularity of Pumping Iron, and then his turning that into a lucrative movie career, everyone and his brother wanted to be the next Arnold. Working out and bodybuilding in general hit it's peak as far as mainstream popularity around Haney's era of dominance.
So if there are a lot of people trying to be the best, and you are the best for a long time, you're damn good. And that same person would be good at any time period given a level playing field. Maybe that same person wouldn't be the best, or as dominant as he was, but he would still be great.
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totally trumping dorian is very common:
but try telling that to the nuthuggers.. ::)
Again using a pic of Yates not at his best you've only proven your bias , it doesn't matter if Ronnie had bigger pecs what matters is did he have a better side chest , if you knew anything about competitive bodybuilding you know how the game is played
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PUMPSTER you are a retard. This thread has nothing to do with Yates or Ronnie, yet look what u made it morph into!
Thats because he's a troll
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haney was awesome
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Again using a pic of Yates not at his best you've only proven your bias , it doesn't matter if Ronnie had bigger pecs what matters is did he have a better side chest , if you knew anything about competitive bodybuilding you know how the game is played
but Yates DIDN'T have a better side chest than this:
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But I will say that I do know both of them would have been great. If you can dominate an era, you would have been near the top at least, no matter when you competed. Especially from the 80's on. After the popularity of Pumping Iron, and then his turning that into a lucrative movie career, everyone and his brother wanted to be the next Arnold. Working out and bodybuilding in general hit it's peak as far as mainstream popularity around Haney's era of dominance.
So if there are a lot of people trying to be the best, and you are the best for a long time, you're damn good. And that same person would be good at any time period given a level playing field. Maybe that same person wouldn't be the best, or as dominant as he was, but he would still be great.
What's this? An intelligent, well thought-out post on GetBig?
Away with you!!! ;D
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all 3 were great,but haney and coleman held there peak physiques longer than yates ,yates competed busted up in a few of his olympias.
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I'm not sure that his arms are quite as bad as people claim.
(http://www.geocities.com/gymcentertr/galeri/lee1/haney10.jpg)
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Haney is one of my top 3 favorite bb's, and I will say that Haney's peak condition will not compare to Coleman at his best. And even if Haney would have taken the same drugs and amounts that Coleman did, he still probably would not match Coleman's totall package around 1998.
But we don't really know. Haney's arm would have never matched Coleman's, no matter what drugs he was on.
In a nutshell, from a Haney admirer who sees clearly. The only things he left out were Haney's mediocre thighs.
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I am checking some Youtube videos right now and I don't see how nobody was able to beat this guy for 8 years
his legs were so fucking small compared to his torso that it looks ridiculous
weak arms as well
Exactly. This speaks to Weider's power to claim legitimacy when there wasn't much in many shows. That and the fact that there were no clear superior competitors to make it more obvious.
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I'm not sure that his arms are quite as bad as people claim.
His arms looked ok in certain poses that mask the deficiency, like the one you posted.
Arms a joke and one of the worst ever MMs, comparable to Yates' MM.
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Thats because he's a troll
Translation: the truth causes me daily meltdowns, furiously typing from my basement.
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I'm not sure that his arms are quite as bad as people claim.
(http://www.geocities.com/gymcentertr/galeri/lee1/haney10.jpg)
His arms look great. Lee Haney was one of the greatest ever bodybuilders, period. He deserved all his Olympias as he was head and shoulders above the competition. This is why none of the guys how competed against him moan about how they should have won. He won by miles. His physique killed everybody else's. The guy had mass and aesthetics in a way not seen again until Nasser.
Coleman was given many gifts : against Flex Wheeler and certainly against Jay Cutler. In fact it's crazy that Flex and Nasser never won the Olypmpia when the disgusting Yates was so weak and his hideous tattooed body was so weak. Now he was given gifts but not Haney, no way. Haney is the only uncontroversial Mr O in all of time. Even Arnold's were questioned by some. Not Haney, the best champion of all time.
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His arms look great. Lee Haney was one of the greatest ever bodybuilders, period. He deserved all his Olympias as he was head and shoulders above the competition. This is why none of the guys how competed against him moan about how they should have won. He won by miles. His physique killed everybody else's. The guy had mass and aesthetics in a way not seen again until Nasser.
Coleman was given many gifts : against Flex Wheeler and certainly against Jay Cutler. In fact it's crazy that Flex and Nasser never won the Olypmpia when the disgusting Yates was so weak and his hideous tattooed body was so weak. Now he was given gifts but not Haney, no way. Haney is the only uncontroversial Mr O in all of time. Even Arnold's were questioned by some. Not Haney, the best champion of all time.
Nasser and aesthetics in the same sentence! Priceless! Funniest thing I've read all day!
With regard to Haney and controversy, I guess you never saw the 1990 Olympia, huh? Easily could have gone to Labrada. And I'm a huge Haney fan, one of my all time top 5.
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HAHA Flea Labrada could never win an O. He was way too small and skinny.
Yes Nasser and aesthetics. He was the only mass monster to also have beautiful lines and a flowing physique.
Stick to fake wrestling as your bodybuilding knowledge is very lacking.
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I am checking some Youtube videos right now and I don't see how nobody was able to beat this guy for 8 years
his legs were so fucking small compared to his torso that it looks ridiculous
weak arms as well
Speak on this mofos, what was so impressive about this guy ?
its the overall look of his physique. it just flows with awesomeness. theres nothing freaky or huge or even overly conditioned about haney.... but the way his body looked as a whole is what set him apart.
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HAHA Flea Labrada could never win an O. He was way too small and skinny.
Yes Nasser and aesthetics. He was the only mass monster to also have beautiful lines and a flowing physique.
Stick to fake wrestling as your bodybuilding knowledge is very lacking.
if you don't understand what was so great about Labrada's physique you shouldn't be throwing stones at other posters. No weak bodyparts and everything on him was outstanding.
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HAHA Flea Labrada could never win an O. He was way too small and skinny.
Yes Nasser and aesthetics. He was the only mass monster to also have beautiful lines and a flowing physique.
Stick to fake wrestling as your bodybuilding knowledge is very lacking.
Nasser didn't have "beautiful lines". Up to 1995, he had a good clean look with a tight waist. From 1996 on, his gut was out of hand and his back lost detail with each passing year.
I'm not the only one that said Labrada could have won in 90, there were plenty within the industry that said it before I ever did. But what do I know? Here, basking in the light of your superior bodybuilding knowledge, my flaws are as obvious as the bulbous waist of your used clothing-selling hero...
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if you don't understand what was so great about Labrada's physique you shouldn't be throwing stones at other posters. No weak bodyparts and everything on him was outstanding.
Nice physique but he was too small. He was all quality and NO quantity. Haney had both, same with Nasser.
With no mass you don't win the O. Read up on it and look at the winners. No mass = no Sandow.
Sorry but that is how it is. Haney blowed him away.
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if you don't understand what was so great about Labrada's physique you shouldn't be throwing stones at other posters. No weak bodyparts and everything on him was outstanding.
Go easy on him. He's overdosed on his smug.
"Sharma"...
"Nasser = teh great. Everyone that doesn't think so = teh racist."
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Nice physique but he was too small. He was all quality and quantity. Haney had both, same with Nasser.
With no mass you don't win the O. Read up on it and look at the winners. No mass = no Sandow.
Sorry but that is how it is. Haney blowed him away.
Once again, your superior bodybuilding knowledge has served you well. This is evidenced by the 3-year reign of the original mass monster, Frank Zane.
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Once again, your superior bodybuilding knowledge has served you well. This is evidenced by the 3-year reign of the original mass monster, Frank Zane.
LMFAO Zane is a dinosaur now. that a different time and era. it has been the era of the mass monster and your boy labrada had no mass whatsoever.
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Nasser didn't have "beautiful lines". Up to 1995, he had a good clean look with a tight waist. From 1996 on, his gut was out of hand and his back lost detail with each passing year.
Are you sure about that "Triple-H 2005" ?
First pic is 99, second is 97, and third I believe is 97 (or 98)
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Are you sure about that "Triple-H 2005" ?
First pic is 99, second is 97, and third I believe is 97 (or 98)
Great post bobs, as usual. Nasser was superb in all this years this triple H claims he deteriorating. Good enough to win the Arnold and win the Olympia (stolen off him by the disgusting, fat tattooed former racist Yates)
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(stolen off him by the disgusting, fat tattooed former racist Yates)
Truthful quote of the year
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Great post bobs, as usual. Nasser was superb in all this years this triple H claims he deteriorating. Good enough to win the Arnold and win the Olympia (stolen off him by the disgusting, fat tattooed former racist Yates)
what does yates being a racist have to do with bodybuilding? they don't judge you on that.....
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Well that was good. Another thread turned into 'Coleman vs Yates' and 'Nasser was great'. ;D
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LMFAO Zane is a dinosaur now. that a different time and era. it has been the era of the mass monster and your boy labrada had no mass whatsoever.
You said "look at the winners". Arnold, Franco and Sergio all came before Zane, and were much larger.
If you're going to make qualifying statements, be specific.
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Are you sure about that "Triple-H 2005" ?
First pic is 99, second is 97, and third I believe is 97 (or 98)
Yes, I'm sure. Show him from the back in successive years and you'll see a decrease in back detail. Very slight in 96-99, but quickly downhill after that. And if you post those pics next to his 94-95 pics, you'll see his waist did indeed grow quite a bit.
And why the " around my screen name. It's a screen name! Is Bigbobs the given name on your birth certificate?
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Yes, I'm sure. Show him from the back in successive years and you'll see a decrease in back detail. Very slight in 96-99, but quickly downhill after that. And if you post those pics next to his 94-95 pics, you'll see his waist did indeed grow quite a bit.
And why the " around my screen name. It's a screen name! Is Bigbobs the given name on your birth certificate?
Wrong again, here's his back in 97, much better than it was in 95. I dont have the pic scanned but there was a rear double-biceps pose of his from the 95 Olympia in Flex magazine where his back detail was not close to what it is here. In this pose he's even beating the racist-tattoed bodybuilder who was known for his back.
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Now post 96, 98 & 99 nest to it like I said.
And no, BOB, he isn't beating Dorian.
Good job hijacking another thread, BTW.
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but Yates DIDN'T have a better side chest than this:
Once again your own hero disagrees ;)
Ronnie Coleman : DESCRIBE DORIAN YATES: A close friend. Dorian is very intelligent, a great Mr. Olympia. He had the best side-chest pose and the thickest freakiest back I have ever seen.
owned
run along and play now
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Now post 96, 98 & 99 nest to it like I said.
And no, BOB, he isn't beating Dorian.
Good job hijacking another thread, BTW.
It's not just me who thinks he is, the majority of getbiggers....this pic has already been posted on a new thread and most people agreed that Nasser is beating Dorian in that pic. Any non-delusional guy would agree. Nasser has a much more pronounced taper than Dorian there, bigger legs, bigger/rounder/more detailed arms and delts, more ripped hamstrings, etc.
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Once again your own hero disagrees ;)
Ronnie Coleman : DESCRIBE DORIAN YATES: A close friend. Dorian is very intelligent, a great Mr. Olympia. He had the best side-chest pose and the thickest freakiest back I have ever seen.
owned
run along and play now
once again you fail to understand that what ronnie says doesn't mean dick if we can compare them visually and dorian gets blown off the stage..
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ps Nasser is Ronnie's bitch! :-*
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once again you fail to understand that what ronnie says doesn't mean dick if we can compare them visually and dorian gets blown off the stage..
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Hey look Hulkster posts a picture of Yates not at his best and thinks he's proved something , NO what Ronnie says does mean a LOT when coupled with visually
oh keep this in mind all rounds are physique rounds and according to that Dorian easily beats Ronnie in the side chest shot , use the criteria Yates better balance & proportion , conditioning & density , posing , size you have nothing to work with .
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oh keep this in mind all rounds are physique rounds and according to that Dorian easily beats Ronnie in the side chest shot , use the criteria Yates better balance & proportion , conditioning & density , posing , size you have nothing to work with .
nice deflection. :P
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nice deflection. :P
You never could counter my arguments ;) hey whats the excuse today? Ronnie was being humble ? or he admitted Yates had a better side chest because of politics?
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You never could counter my arguments ;) hey whats the excuse today? Ronnie was being humble ? or he admitted Yates had a better side chest because of politics?
why do you care what Ronnie says when the visuals prove quite clearly that ronnie is wrong?
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you cling to inaccurate opinions because real life is your enemy.
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why do you care what Ronnie says when the visuals prove quite clearly that ronnie is wrong?
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you cling to inaccurate opinions because real life is your enemy.
No the visuals aren't wrong , I've showed you and proved to you via judges , writers and professionals countless times Dorian has better conditioning & density specifically compared to Ronnie , and better balance & proportion , again directly compared to Ronnie and I took it a few steps further , I have this quote from Ronnie in 2003
Ronnie Coleman : DESCRIBE DORIAN YATES: A close friend. Dorian is very intelligent, a great Mr. Olympia. He had the best side-chest pose and the thickest freakiest back I have ever seen.
and one from Shawn Ray commenting on Ronnie's side chest side was never that great compared to people who could actually do it and I posted a visual proof of this thats a proven point , you have nothing but contradiction and denial , see pictures and see for yourself why " The Greatest Mr Olympia Ever " said Dorian Yates had the best side chest pose he ever seen ;)
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ps Nasser is Ronnie's bitch! :-*
Why do you have to keep posting one pic where Nasser is standing at a weird angle and was during the year that he came lightest (264 lbs) compared his usual contest weight of 280 or more. ::) Why not post an actual comparison pic?
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Why do you have to keep posting one pic where Nasser is standing at a weird angle and was during the year that he came lightest (264 lbs) compared his usual contest weight of 280 or more. ::) Why not post an actual comparison pic?
Its and old M.O. of his he posts pics of guys NOT at their best or in transitional shots he thinks it proves his point it only proves his fear
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Its and old M.O. of his he posts pics of guys NOT at their best or in transitional shots he thinks it proves his point it only proves his fear
two can play that game! Do you have the 95 NOC (I think?) comparison with Nasser, Ronnie and Vince Taylor?
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two can play that game! Do you have the 95 NOC (I think?) comparison with Nasser, Ronnie and Vince Taylor?
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http://www.muscletime.com/photos/v/professional-bodybuilding/night-of-champions-contest/1995-night-of-champions/
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http://www.muscletime.com/photos/v/professional-bodybuilding/night-of-champions-contest/1995-night-of-champions/
Thank you!
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It's not just me who thinks he is, the majority of getbiggers....this pic has already been posted on a new thread and most people agreed that Nasser is beating Dorian in that pic. Any non-delusional guy would agree. Nasser has a much more pronounced taper than Dorian there, bigger legs, bigger/rounder/more detailed arms and delts, more ripped hamstrings, etc.
Good job avoiding my request to post pics of your hero from the back comparing 1994/95 to 1997 and beyond.
Oops. Looks like somebody did it for you!
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=199065.0
Proving my point that his back worsened and his waist widened after 1994/95 with his increased mass.
And calling me a Dorin guy is just childish. If you've been awake, you'd remember that I have leveled as much criticism at Dorian's physique issues as I have any BBer.
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What's this? An intelligent, well thought-out post on GetBig?
Away with you!!! ;D
Sorry Triple-H ! I'll try to not let it happen again. ;)
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haney was the best at the time. everyone he stood on stage with up until 1990 he blew away.
his legs were weak, yes, but the only top tier guy that clearly owned him here were ray, strydom, but ray was too small and strydom had no back.
his arms were dwarfed by his torso but, even here, he dominated the top tier. christian could have threatened but didn't have the discipline (prob too many recs killing his motivation). there were a motley crew of guys that had far better arms but those guys (fox, buchanan, quinn, etc) didn't have the rest of the tools ie condition, nowhere close to the level of muscularity and thickness in delts, back, chest (fox was close).
closest haney came to receiving a gift was 1990, but people forget that everyone was off in that comp incl ray and labrada (although they were both in better condition, but condition alone doesn't win an olympia contest).
don't compare haney's dominance to jay's rip off.
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The irony of you saying someone doesn't know bodybuilding , you'll gloss right over Ronnie's blatantly obvious imbalance & proportion issues and hoop & holla about others , and all because Ronnie has better ' show muscles ; as you call them
Lee Haney dominated in a way Coleman couldn't for a reason , he had something Coleman didn't aesthetics and size
To paraphrase Branch Warren, let me tell you something about aesthetics, it's just another way of saying small. Lol. In this case small arms and legs. If you don't squat till you drop you don't get a big waist, but you don't get big legs either. Plus you had to choose a Coleman pic from when 2001 to make your point? Ronnie had already won 2 Olympias with an awesome waist and 1 with a relatively mediocre waist but insane proportions elsewhere, i,e, 2000 where he made EVERYONE look like little kids.
(http://getbig.com/pics/olympia/2000/finals/top6-05.jpg)
Compare him objectively to the other guys and you'll see why he got a perfect score. I mean he makes the others look like they're missing every bodypart, lol.
Shit forgot this wasn't the truce thread. Anyway, Lee Haney was Totalee Awesome, but that doesn't somehow mean Coleman sucked. ::)
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No the visuals aren't wrong , I've showed you and proved to you via judges , writers and professionals countless times Dorian has better conditioning & density specifically compared to Ronnie , and better balance & proportion , again directly compared to Ronnie and I took it a few steps further , I have this quote from Ronnie in 2003
Ronnie Coleman : DESCRIBE DORIAN YATES: A close friend. Dorian is very intelligent, a great Mr. Olympia. He had the best side-chest pose and the thickest freakiest back I have ever seen.
and one from Shawn Ray commenting on Ronnie's side chest side was never that great compared to people who could actually do it and I posted a visual proof of this thats a proven point , you have nothing but contradiction and denial , see pictures and see for yourself why " The Greatest Mr Olympia Ever " said Dorian Yates had the best side chest pose he ever seen ;)
To summarise this whole debate, you base your opinions on those of others. It's true because someone told me so.
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Good job avoiding my request to post pics of your hero from the back comparing 1994/95 to 1997 and beyond.
Oops. Looks like somebody did it for you!
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=199065.0
Proving my point that his back worsened and his waist widened after 1994/95 with his increased mass.
And calling me a Dorin guy is just childish. If you've been awake, you'd remember that I have leveled as much criticism at Dorian's physique issues as I have any BBer.
Still no response from Nasser...oops! I mean Bigbobs.
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To summarise this whole debate, you base your opinions on those of others. It's true because someone told me so.
No , you couldn't be any more wrong , I base my opinion on a number of things such as who meets the criteria better , who has better conditioning & density , who has better balance & proportion , who is a better technical poser , who has the least amount of flaws , who dominated their competition , who has the best win/loss ratio , and I supplement my opinion ( after the fact ) with those who prove my point for me , so again you couldn't be more wrong .
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To paraphrase Branch Warren, let me tell you something about aesthetics, it's just another way of saying small. Lol. In this case small arms and legs. If you don't squat till you drop you don't get a big waist, but you don't get big legs either. Plus you had to choose a Coleman pic from when 2001 to make your point? Ronnie had already won 2 Olympias with an awesome waist and 1 with a relatively mediocre waist but insane proportions elsewhere, i,e, 2000 where he made EVERYONE look like little kids.
(http://getbig.com/pics/olympia/2000/finals/top6-05.jpg)
Compare him objectively to the other guys and you'll see why he got a perfect score. I mean he makes the others look like they're missing every bodypart, lol.
Shit forgot this wasn't the truce thread. Anyway, Lee Haney was Totalee Awesome, but that doesn't somehow mean Coleman sucked. ::)
Hahahahaha....Ronnie is pwning them all. Was this before the Jaw arrived on the scene?
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To summarise this whole debate, you base your opinions on those of others. It's true because someone told me so.
It's called supporting your argument dummy.
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It's called supporting your argument dummy.
England is ND's boyfriend gimmic & gets very protective when nerves are struck. :-*
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England is ND's boyfriend gimmic & gets very protective when nerves are struck. :-*
Stick to the issue dweeb. Nobody writes a scientific paper without citing credible sources. Of course I doubt you'd know anything about the academic world anyways :-*
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(http://getbig.com/pics/olympia/2000/finals/top6-05.jpg)
This is why Ronnie dominated for years.
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Nobody can touch Ronnie!
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Good job avoiding my request to post pics of your hero from the back comparing 1994/95 to 1997 and beyond.
Oops. Looks like somebody did it for you!
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=199065.0
Proving my point that his back worsened and his waist widened after 1994/95 with his increased mass.
And calling me a Dorin guy is just childish. If you've been awake, you'd remember that I have leveled as much criticism at Dorian's physique issues as I have any BBer.
Still waiting, Bigbobs...
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:'(