If I were a betting man I would say that Obama's got it in the bag and the Oval Office might as well be his.No.
No.
The question is: will he be assassinated before or after his inauguration?
Is it true his middle name is Hussein?
Why can't politicians on both sides see that the government spends far too much of our $!!!
Yes. How awesome is that!!!!!I won't vote for him just for that. I gotta feeling a lot will be made of that in the near future. How could it not?
I won't vote for him just for that. I gotta feeling a lot will be made of that in the near future. How could it not?
Gobama!
The Democratic race is FAR from over, though, especially when you consider the reality that Michigan and Florida will *have* to be given proper primaries.
It's BULL FUCKING SHIT that the Democratic National Committee has the authority to tell the people of a particular state, "Sorry, but your votes in the primary will not count this year".
There needs to be more public outrage over this and I'm disappointed that there hasn't been.
yes base the character of a man by his name ::)Not by his name, but by what he is. They make a big deal of being a Mormon or by being Catholic, but we're just supposed to ignore his muslim background.
Dumber than a second coat of paint ::)
Not by his name, but by what he is. They make a big deal of being a Mormon or by being Catholic, but we're just supposed to ignore his muslim background.
I'm not sure how all that happened, but those were the rules if they moved up their primaries before Feb 6. That is, those are "the rules" and a party has the right to make their own rules.
However, "the rules" also give Hillary the ability to take as many super-delegates as she can persuade.
Note that the Obama camp wants the first rule to apply, but not the second one.
I have a lot of respect for Obama and would enjoy seeing a black president but most people are wowed by the feeling, the movement and his speeches. People need to force him to speak about details to decide if his plans are what they really believe in.
America was ready for Colin Powell, in my opinion.
To my knowledge, he never aspired to become President, but man, would he have been a great candidate, even after he took the sword for W.
They make a big deal of being a Mormon...
Colin Powell's wife is supposed to be a bigger liability than Cindy McCain. He would never have made it through a Republican primary.
Never heard that one before - what's wrong with his wife?nothing's wrong with her..she'd rather attend parties than worry about stuff. alma's not an ex-drug addict like cindy mccain is.
Never heard that one before - what's wrong with his wife?
From what I saw and know about Colin Powell, I think he would have been an incredible candidate. I would have voted for him if his platforms were good.
they make a big deal? No, you and your brother bubba make a big deal. Hope this helped.Sorry dude, it aint happening. I know you're all hot and bothered by barack, but he's a great orator with little substance who will get his ass handed to him in a general election. He's going to "change" the country but never explains how. blah, blah, blah........ It's histerical how all the lemmings have jumped on the bandwagon and have no clue why.
Sorry dude, it aint happening. I know you're all hot and bothered by barack, but he's a great orator with little substance who will get his ass handed to him in a general election. He's going to "change" the country but never explains how. blah, blah, blah........ It's histerical how all the lemmings have jumped on the bandwagon and have no clue why.
From what I saw and know about Colin Powell, I think he would have been an incredible candidate. I would have voted for him if his platforms were good.my hunch is mccain will select an executive to run with like a governor or a businessman and if it's obama he'll selct someone like general wesley clark for vice president
my hunch is mccain will select an executive to run with like a governor or a businessman and if it's obama he'll selct someone like general wesley clark for vice president
Sorry dude, it aint happening. I know you're all hot and bothered by barack, but he's a great orator with little substance who will get his ass handed to him in a general election. He's going to "change" the country but never explains how. blah, blah, blah........ It's histerical how all the lemmings have jumped on the bandwagon and have no clue why.
It's histerical how all the lemmings have jumped on the bandwagon and have no clue why.
Are you old enough to recall the 1992 Presidential election?yes tre
It wasn't like the incumbent - Bush I - was 'unpopular', yet a solid orator from Arkansas delivered a knockout by simply repeating "economy" and "time for a change" over and over and over.
obama
yes base the character of a man by his name ::)
Dumber than a second coat of paint ::)
Are you old enough to recall the 1992 Presidential election?Tre, I'm old enough to have had the honor of voting for Ronald Reagan.
It wasn't like the incumbent - Bush I - was 'unpopular', yet a solid orator from Arkansas delivered a knockout by simply repeating "economy" and "time for a change" over and over and over.
Very true top dog.
There will not be nearly enough tax $ to dump into all these programs Obama speaks of...unless he raises taxes even higher than they already are. I agree about having enough of the Clinton and Bush family in the white house.
What do you all think about McCain? He is really an independent that has swayed between the two parties on various issues. I see +s and -s.
He's a terrorist. >:(
Shaving was the right move. Looks better without the beard.
Sorry dude, it aint happening. I know you're all hot and bothered by barack, but he's a great orator with little substance who will get his ass handed to him in a general election. He's going to "change" the country but never explains how. blah, blah, blah........ It's histerical how all the lemmings have jumped on the bandwagon and have no clue why.
no, he won't. Clark endorsed Hillary.he will appeal to unite the party by selecting clark. dr brzynski is obama's foreign affairs council
Will be interesting to see if Edwards makes an announcement before Texas goes to the polls.
he will appeal to unite the party by selecting clark. dr brzynski is obama's foreign affairs council
I agree except they were sick of it when Kerry ran too. So I'm not sure. But Barack Hussein Obama? It's going to get ugly.
Guess what... he has just about outwitted the second most effective political machine of our lifetimes, the Clintons (the Bushes being #1).
I consider Clinton to be a FAR greater threat to Obama than Mccain is. He's the sacrificial lamb in a change election - Dems could run Big Bird and win. people are sick of this war.
He should mend this continent by deporting all white people back to Europe, take all blacks with him back to Africa and leave this nation for the Indians and their half breeds (Mexicans). They are the ones that truly lived here and owned this continent to begin with. The rest are just invaders. Invaders from Europe who performed a ruthless ethnic cleansing and holocausts of the natives.Still lightyears ahead of your little third world cesspool, Rami.
Who honestly want to be head of this drug infested warmongering nation anyway? Without the wars and the drugs ( legal and illegal ) the economy of USA would be shot, and the nation would not exist. There will always be something sick about the legacy of USA. No one will ever have to balls to deal with it and fix it.
Tre, I'm old enough to have had the honor of voting for Ronald Reagan.
Right on!I can't vote for a liberal so I have to dance with the least ugly of the girls at the dance. Moveon.org is backing Barack. The guy is hardcore to the left. Mcain is at least somewhere in the middle.
I was just a pup then, but was a Reagan Republican who has now become a Reagan Independent (though actively leaning towards the Dems right now).
Despite the rhetoric, troops will be left in the middle east for security reasons. At least McCain is honest about it. No one is going to bring them all home. Even Clinton has backstepped some on that promise. There are huge American bases in Iraq and Saudia Arabia now. That part of the world is very scary to all western nations and poses a great and ongoing threat. I also hope we can withdraw the majority of the troops from Iraq within a year, but my guess is that we will at least retain a large base there with significant military troops for a long time. McCain probably would withdraw some troops within a year too but to publicize it is stupid...gives military strategy to the enemy.Exactly.....good post.
He should mend this continent by deporting all white people back to Europe, take all blacks with him back to Africa and leave this nation for the Indians and their half breeds (Mexicans). They are the ones that truly lived here and owned this continent to begin with. The rest are just invaders. Invaders from Europe who performed a ruthless ethnic cleansing and holocausts of the natives.Throughout history, the more evolved and technologically advanced societies have displaced many indigenous cultures. It may be sad, but it often works that way in the Animal Kingdom as well. When Cro-Magnon man arrived, he displaced the less evolved Neanderthal Man. However, nobody needs to deport the white man back to Europe. Unchecked Third World Immigration and incredibly rampant breeding of the lowliest classes will end up displacing the White/Europeans,.. and their values and culture that this Country was founded will no longer exist...and I guess you'll be happy about that!
Who honestly want to be head of this drug infested warmongering nation anyway? Without the wars and the drugs ( legal and illegal ) the economy of USA would be shot, and the nation would not exist. There will always be something sick about the legacy of USA. No one will ever have to balls to deal with it and fix it.
Anyone who believes Obama has a chance is Delusional.Make sure to post if he wins the election. Mcain's going to look very old beside him actually. Not to say Obama's a compelling candidate but his opponents make him look better.
Make sure to post if he wins the election. Mcain's going to look very old beside him actually. Not to say Obama's a compelling candidate but his opponents make him look better.D E L U S I O N A L ::)
D E L U S I O N A L ::)lol thank god you've figured it all out.
Colin Powell's wife is supposed to be a bigger liability than Cindy McCain. He would never have made it through a Republican primary.
Publicizing withdrawals is necessary for the American people to know who to vote for, and for the markets to know how to respond. I work in a business that depends on there being plenty of credit available for large corps. That credit is slowly drying up, and I'm concerned that McCain's "bomb iran" policy will aggravate the situation.
You Reagan "republicans" who keep moaning about "increased spending" are either full of shit, or you don't know history. Reagan was the king of deficit spending. It more or less worked for him, and i don't see why prudent spending shouldn't work now.
I can't vote for a liberal so I have to dance with the least ugly of the girls at the dance. Moveon.org is backing Barack. The guy is hardcore to the left. Mcain is at least somewhere in the middle.i have voted for liberals and conservatives this time it might be a libertarian(which is still a LIBERAL)
I have a lot of respect for Obama and would enjoy seeing a black president but most people are wowed by the feeling, the movement and his speeches. People need to force him to speak about details to decide if his plans are what they really believe in.I gave my original support for Ron Paul for a variety of reasons. I am an official GOP delelgate for Bartow Co Ga.
If you look at some of his platforms, which are not spoken about much or criticized by the media, he believes in solving most of our problems by throwing more $ into inefficient programs and believes in bigger government, which usually does not work. The only group of people he wants to cut taxes for are low income Americans. He will raise taxes on the middle and upper classes. He also wants to give driver's licences to illegal immigrants...which is just absurd. Families making more than $70,000 beware...your taxes will go up again (and they are already way too high). Why can't politicians on both sides see that the government spends far too much of our $!!!
Anyone who believes Obama has a chance is Delusional.wtf? McCain is a good man, but, look the sheer number of dem vs GOP voters in the primary vote!
I gave my original support for Ron Paul for a variety of reasons. I am an official GOP delelgate for Bartow Co Ga.Waste your vote on Obama douchbag, your vote is insignificant anyway. Mcain will be our next President so get used to it.
I won't get selected for the national convention because I don't remain 100% loyal and brainwashed to the party line.
I will wote for Sen Obama in the gen election , should he get the nomination.
The BASIC ideas of the Obama plan are pretty correct on your post, good job.
The tax plan inclides individual UNDER 70k will get a tax break , the taxes of those above 150k will be increased a bit.
Those around +/- 100k will see no change.
He will give a 4000 tax exemption credit for college tuition.
Like me anyone who doesn't have good CPA do their taxes and have some investment property (like your house) to deduct the interest on your taxes is asking for trouble anyway.
I know tons of rednecks here in Ga, make less than me , don't have health care insurance and won't even consider voting for Obama or Hillary on the basis of "taxes" and "liberal program giveaways".
The ironic thing is they are voting against the very tax breaks and programs that would bennefit them and their kids DIRECTYLY...go figure.
One thing I agree strongly with him on is in giving corperate tax breaks ONLY tothose companies that hire and use Americans and have their factories in THIS country .
Be reminded all these tax reforms have to pass congress, first.
Now on the illegals , I don't think they should any bennefits like drivers lecense, but that is not a big personal issue for me. Kinda like gay marriage, I could care less.
We could fund a lot of big , infra structure programs by simply pulling out of Iraq. Put that same 10 billion into a works program , to rebuild bridges and roads.
He is NOT a muslem, he is NOT terrorist. Obama NEVER was in the Sudan Army.
He was sworn into the US senate on a BIBLE. His real dad is an African from kenya and his mother is a white lady from Kansas.He ws the first black to be selected to head the Harvard Law Review as law student.
The man is brilliant and able to govern this country.
He is NOT a muslem, he is NOT terrorist. Obama NEVER was in the Sudan Army.
He was sworn into the US senate on a BIBLE. His real dad is an African from kenya and his mother is a white lady from Kansas.He ws the first black to be selected to head the Harvard Law Review as law student.
The man is brilliant and able to govern this country.
i watched CNN.COM and last night the crowd in the Houston's arena before Obama gave his victory speech and there was not a single white or Hispanic person in the crowd....inTexas, where there are basically no blacks, the audience was completely black and dressed like drugdealers (which they probably were). I do not know whether CNN was doing this (showing thwe crowd)deliberately or not, but, the crowd was scary FOR ME...imagine Middle America.wtf? What sppech and audiance did you watch? 50 cent vs Snoop Dog on Yo MTV raps ::)
wtf? What sppech and audiance did you watch? 50 cent vs Snoop Dog on Yo MTV raps ::)CNN.COM not CNN there's a difference :) i dont have cable or the dish just the internet
I watched the ENTIRE speech on CNN and didn't see what you did. I did see a crowd that was as varied and diverse as America today.
wtf? What sppech and audiance did you watch? 50 cent vs Snoop Dog on Yo MTV raps ::)Go waste your vote already and STFU!! >:(
I watched the ENTIRE speech on CNN and didn't see what you did. I did see a crowd that was as varied and diverse as America today.
"There will not be a spic, black, woman, asian or any of the like in the White House anytime soon"I assume this was a joke?
I assume this was a joke?ahhahahhhahhhahhhahhhahahahah dipshit fo sure.
if not, go get a time machine and set it for Berlin, Germany 1933. You might be happy in that regime , plus they had a neat criss cross symbol ::)
On a serious note, did you even vote in the recent election?
As for me, I will put the racial divides of the past behind and support Obama to lead our great nation as our next president!
Go waste your vote already and STFU!! >:(is this the best you can do in terms of a political response....stfu? LOL.
is this the best you can do in terms of a political response....stfu? LOL.I do vote and it wont be for Obama
Man o man that is some intense , informed politcial rhetoric.
Do have a PhD in Political science from an Ivy League school or what?
"Go waste your vote and stfu" what a political argument....bravo....bra vo ::)
Do you even vote? seriously do you?
ahhahahhhahhhahhhahhhahahahah dipshit fo sure.
Another great point and quite thoughtful, way to go, you really can debate....NOT! hehehehe.meltdown, but i like you howie ;D
This is a waste of my time seriously.
Please argue an actual factual point or political issue .
This juvenille personal attack is a waste of my time and the board space, thanks, good luck.
In the end you are free to vote for anyone on the ballot.
If you make under 100k ( like I do) and don't like the war in Iraq, a vote against Obama is a vote against YOURSELF!
Howard
Another great point and quite thoughtful, way to go, you really can debate....NOT! hehehehe.All righty than.
This is a waste of my time seriously.
Please argue an actual factual point or political issue .
This juvenille personal attack is a waste of my time and the board space, thanks, good luck.
In the end you are free to vote for anyone on the ballot.
If you make under 100k ( like I do) and don't like the war in Iraq, a vote against Obama is a vote against YOURSELF!
Howard
meltdown, but i like you howie ;DI did vote for Dr Paul in the Ga primary, but will now vote for sen Obama in the general election NOV.
Have you/ are you going to vote for ron paul in the primaries?
I have a lot of respect for Obama and would enjoy seeing a black president
yes, it was reagan's use of the credit card and astrology that broke the soviet union and the iron curtain and it wasn't until 1994 when president clinton and the republican congress did something about it. now we have the economy tanked by a havard MBA who also happens to be president. i'm not sure CHANGE is what's required but perhaps SOLUTIONS would be better.\
"THERE WILL NOT BE A BLACK PRESIDENT IN THE "WHITE" HOUSE FOR A VERY VERY VERY LOOOOOONG TIME"If you don't want to vote for the guy, fine. But racist rants do little to enhance the status of your canidate , trust me. Good luck . Howard
If you don't want to vote for the guy, fine. But racist rants do little to enhance the status of your canidate , trust me. Good luck . Howardwhat's racist about the truth
what's racist about the truth
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The economy has not 'tanked'.
CNN.COM not CNN there's a difference :) i dont have cable or the dish just the internet
I worked security at a Obama rally today in Dallas . There were a lot of people there.And
he has a cult like followingA cult like following will not be good enough to win the Presidency of the United States.
A cult like following will not be good enough to win the Presidency of the United States.
Gobama!There should be NO outrage at all, and I'm glad there isn't. FL an MI knew the rules of the game going in, and they defied the party order. You can't just move your primaries up to a date whenever you feel like it. Fuck em'...their delegates don't count and its their own damn fault.
The Democratic race is FAR from over, though, especially when you consider the reality that Michigan and Florida will *have* to be given proper primaries.
It's BULL FUCKING SHIT that the Democratic National Committee has the authority to tell the people of a particular state, "Sorry, but your votes in the primary will not count this year".
There needs to be more public outrage over this and I'm disappointed that there hasn't been.
I find it kinda funny that the very same people who'd blasted Biden for 'borrowing' speech lines are giving a pass to Obama for his own rippings.I guess there's a difference when the guy you're borrowing from was the one giving you the advice of what to say. ::)
I can't help but feel that a white candidate wouldn't have gotten away with it. Are we giving him a 'knee-jerk' pass because he's black? Or do we expect less from him because he's black, or what?
I guess there's a difference when the guy you're borrowing from was the one giving you the advice of what to say. ::)
Frankly, Obama doesn't know what to say. Maybe that's the problem.yea, other people writing shit for candidates running for office. gee, that's never happened before ::)
yea, other people writing shit for candidates running for office. gee, that's never happened before ::)
They're called speechwriters. We're talking about plagiarism.
maybe hes an believer in plagiarism and he wants to legalise it?
They're called speechwriters. We're talking about plagiarism.Not quite plagiarism when you have a relationship of exchanging these ideas with a person ::) Nice try. These two have a history and an acquaintanceship in this regard. It's not the same boat as stealing someone's lines IE plagiarism... In this respect it is no different than a speechwriter. move on fool ::)
I find it kinda funny that the very same people who'd blasted Biden for 'borrowing' speech lines are giving a pass to Obama for his own rippings.you're onto the double standard thingy yes
I can't help but feel that a white candidate wouldn't have gotten away with it. Are we giving him a 'knee-jerk' pass because he's black? Or do we expect less from him because he's black, or what?
Obamamania will fizzle out and all that will be left is his inexperience. Hillary needs to stand up and fight or she and the dems will loose bigtime.
Obamamania will fizzle out and all that will be left is his inexperience. Hillary needs to stand up and fight or she and the dems will loose bigtime.
I dunno. The Clinton political machine is just plain awesome. Rich, powerful, and connected beyond belief. I still think hilary will find a way to convince the delegates to choose her.You pretty much nailed it, well said .
If she was unable to expose Obama as a fraud, I don't know if McCain can. He seems to have his own problems at the moment.
I dunno. The Clinton political machine is just plain awesome. Rich, powerful, and connected beyond belief. I still think hilary will find a way to convince the delegates to choose her.
If she was unable to expose Obama as a fraud, I don't know if McCain can. He seems to have his own problems at the moment.
Obama is like a ferrari and Hillary is like a Range Rover. The Ferrari flashy and looks good and people ooooh and Ahhh over it but it is only for show-offs and once it rains or hits tight corners it will skid out. Hillary is a straight up politician. She knows her shit and what you see is what you're going to get. No flash with her but she is reliable and can handle many situations. It ain't so bad that she has Bill backing her. Bill was an amazing pres. Even with that Monica blow job mess he would have beaten Bush if he was able to run a third term. Can you imagine that. Gas would be still at $1.50, Iraq wouldn't be such a mess and our dollar would actually be worth a dollar. Freaking Bush is the biggest loser this country has ever had for pres. Fvcking idiots who voted for him.
Well said. The reality is that any of the 3 likely winners in NOV ( McCain, Obama or Hillary) the country will be 100x better off under any of them , then with Bushy.
I know tons of rednecks here in Ga, make less than me , don't have health care insurance and won't even consider voting for Obama or Hillary on the basis of "taxes" and "liberal program giveaways".I'll make it really simple for you.
The ironic thing is they are voting against the very tax breaks and programs that would bennefit them and their kids DIRECTYLY...go figure.
wtf? McCain is a good man, but, look the sheer number of dem vs GOP voters in the primary vote!Take into consideration the fact that the Republican race isn't a race at all. McCain is gonna be the nominee. Period. Where's the motivation to get out and vote for someone that's had the nomination all but sewn up for a month?
2 to 1 dem to GOP. What politcla data are you looking at to form your opinion?
Howard
ha ha true instead of spending our money on our self's lets spend it freeing Iraq fucking idiotsGrammatical genius. ::)
good looking out :D? Excuse me?
My guess is that he will raise taxes on everyone making over $70,000
Also, why do we give out so much $ in aid when we are 10 trillion in debt?
Obama must feel very honoured to be named after the great Saddam Hussein, descendant of the prophet Muhammed (peace be upon him).
I absolutely (and respectfully) disagree. People making $50-$150,000 are the people that get hit hardest by taxes, miss most of the loopholes and fund our government spending. Many of those people didn't come from rich families, they are common professionals that sacrificed and worked damn hard to make that $. The government should not take 35-40% of our $!
All these posts are meaningless except to the 5 people posting.
I'll make it really simple for you.
They believe in WORKING FOR WHAT THEY HAVE. Not ACCEPTING GOVERNMENT HANDOUTS.
Althought they are "rednecks" (don't know how that one elevated the conversation), they know that it is noth the JOB of the Federal Government to take care of them. The job of the Feds is to provide for the National Defense.
Cut spending and close corporate tax loopholes (and loopholes that the ultra-wealthy may find).
McCain will not. Obama might.
A fair tax/consumption tax is the way things should be. Then everyone pays their share and no one can hide their $.
The poor will stop spending as much and the portfolios of the rich will drop as a result. Remember, the poor already spend 100% of their income on rent and at walmart. You move sales tax from 6% to 23% and they'll spend $100 less per week at walmart.
When 80 million people all spend $100 less per week, the economy dudn't feel so good.
Not quite plagiarism when you have a relationship of exchanging these ideas with a person ::) Nice try. These two have a history and an acquaintanceship in this regard. It's not the same boat as stealing someone's lines IE plagiarism... In this respect it is no different than a speechwriter. move on fool ::)
An Obama/Hilary ticket is where it's heading.
Might not be a bad thing. Let Obama be the face for the world - positive force for change. And let Hilary handle the complex things that Obama cannot.
They're practically tied heading into the convention - Hilary will be able to demand the VP seat, probably successfully.
The people that make a lot of $ pay a f-ck load of taxes. Only people or corporations that can hide their $ escape.
There is a common misconception that people that make good $ pay less taxes. Not only do they pay way more in total dollars for the same services, they pay a greater % of their own income. (I'm sure you know this 240, but some people don't understand our graduated system when politicians speak about taxes). We penalyze acheivement.
For some people that finally come out of graduate school, paying off loans, sacrificed a lot and now get hit with the realization that they must pay 38% of their hard earned $90k salary/yr to taxes...thats bullshit. That means, in reality they are making $55,000. (this is a rough example to see real #s).
Cut spending and close corporate tax loopholes (and loopholes that the ultra-wealthy may find).
A fair tax/consumption tax is the way things should be. Then everyone pays their share and no one can hide their $.
This isn't really true, those are talking points devised for the rich by the rich. The group thats actually pays the lowest proportion of their income in taxes are at the top. They can afford the lawyers and can afford the loophole finders (i.e., the "death tax", which affects almost nobody but is parroted by the rightas if anybody who dies will lose 1/3 of their estate). But the loopholes are there because the rich have lobbied to create the loopholes in the first place. The distribution of taxes paid proportionately to income is almost bell-curved, but overall it is fairly flat. The middle class pays the most. The poor and the rich pay the least, but the rich pay the least of all. Look at how they are (not) taxed on capital gains. Look at how hedge funds are not taxed like other funds. The conservative (business) right perpetuate the flat tax movement because they know it will never pass and as long as the reform isn't possible, they continue to benefit. It's the same dance that has been performed for centuries, but just different shoes. Maybe it's for the better. The libertarian right genuinely believes in it but is delusional.
If I can find the paper to show it, I'll post it. I do remember that it was by a relatively centrist and if anything somewhat conservative group that did the analysis. I think it was in the Atlantic Monthly.
38% of 90k isn't a lot to pay. I think it should be 50%.
Very true Triple H. The government needs to protect our rights and protect our country. It was never intended to give the kind of handouts and spend this much of our tax $.