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Why do all the pros just accept the current drug situation that requires them to break the federal drug laws?
Imagine signing up for a job and agreeing to risk breaking the law , just to get paid?
Get busted and your employer looks the other way, AND BLAMES YOU!
Why doesn't some pro ( like a Team U winner) make a formal complaint that the IFBB pro div fails to enforce its' own rules. If that gets ignored , why not make a law suit?
One thing I really hate about all the drug use, is how much it takes away from all the hard work and diet it takes to get in that kind of shape. Everywhere in bodybuilding, you hear wannabees all chime in on how it is "all juice" to be a top pro or even to make any gains, etc.
I am sick of seeing guys get busted , who seem like decent people overall.
I am sick of the health horrer stories. I am sick of the whole roid issue, but it remains a persistant part of the scene.
Yeah, this is a rant and I admit it. But, what can I say...the sport I love is being ruined by this wacky practice of extreme drug use and I resent it. I could care less what some guy puts in his body, but the LEGAL issue affects us all.
Better yet, why doesn't EVERY serious bodybuilder just decide to be honest, ethical and follow the established rules on banned substances?!
Hmmmmm, I want the sport I love to stop being ivolved in illegal,destructive activity and I am the crazy one here, LOL....go figure.
I am going to go hike with my dogs, 'nuff said, ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
If ya want me I will be in this spot, and calm ,after a good climb/hike heheheheehe ,Howard
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lool
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this is a good idea Howie, i wonder what the ifbb athlete rep has to say about this. I'm sure he shares your concern.
Why do all the pros just accept the current drug situation that requires them to break the federal drug laws?
Imagine signing up for a job and agreeing to risk breaking the law , just to get paid?
Get busted and your employer looks the other way, AND BLAMES YOU!
Why doesn't some pro ( like a Team U winner) make a formal complaint that the IFBB pro div fails to enforce its' own rules. If that gets ignored , why not make a law suit?
One thing I really hate about all the drug use, is how much it takes away from all the hard work and diet it takes to get in that kind of shape. Everywhere in bodybuilding, you hear wannabees all chime in on how it is "all juice" to be a top pro or even to make any gains, etc.
I am sick of seeing guys get busted , who seem like decent people overall.
I am sick of the health horrer stories. I am sick of the whole roid issue, but it remains a persistant part of the scene.
Yeah, this is a rant and I admit it. But, what can I say...the sport I love is being ruined by this wacky practice of extreme drug use and I resent it. I could care less what some guy puts in his body, but the LEGAL issue affects us all.
Better yet, why doesn't EVERY serious bodybuilder just decide to be honest, ethical and follow the established rules on banned substances?!
Hmmmmm, I want the sport I love to stop being ivolved in illegal,destructive activity and I am the crazy one here, LOL....go figure.
I am going to go hike with my dogs, 'nuff said, ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
If ya want me I will be in this spot, and calm ,after a good climb/hike heheheheehe ,Howard
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Howie you know what they did to Priest for competing in another show can you imagine how well you would do in competition after making that complaint.Fuk, last every show even if better than Ronnie C.But you raise a great point what does Chick have to say about the blattent abuse of a banned substance when in fact it's against the IFBB RULES.Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm?????.
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because the TU winners are just as juiced as everyone else ?
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Howie you know what they did to Priest for competing in another show can you imagine how well you would do in competition after making that complaint.Fuk, last every show even if better than Ronnie C.But you raise a great point what does Chick have to say about the blattent abuse of a banned substance when in fact it's against the IFBB RULES.Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm?????.
That's right...it is against the rules...and anyone caught using anything listed on the banned substance list via testing, will face disciplinary action and/ or suspension.
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Howard, what kind of dogs do you have?
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That's right...it is against the rules...and anyone caught using anything listed on the banned substance list via testing, will face disciplinary action and/ or suspension.
Oh brother...Now we have the kettle calling the pot black.
Chick, you never cease to amaze me with your hypocrisy and ass kissing all rolled up into one!
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Why do all the pros just accept the current drug situation that requires them to break the federal drug laws?
Imagine signing up for a job and agreeing to risk breaking the law , just to get paid?
Get busted and your employer looks the other way, AND BLAMES YOU!
Why doesn't some pro ( like a Team U winner) make a formal complaint that the IFBB pro div fails to enforce its' own rules. If that gets ignored , why not make a law suit?
One thing I really hate about all the drug use, is how much it takes away from all the hard work and diet it takes to get in that kind of shape. Everywhere in bodybuilding, you hear wannabees all chime in on how it is "all juice" to be a top pro or even to make any gains, etc.
I am sick of seeing guys get busted , who seem like decent people overall.
I am sick of the health horrer stories. I am sick of the whole roid issue, but it remains a persistant part of the scene.
Yeah, this is a rant and I admit it. But, what can I say...the sport I love is being ruined by this wacky practice of extreme drug use and I resent it. I could care less what some guy puts in his body, but the LEGAL issue affects us all.
Better yet, why doesn't EVERY serious bodybuilder just decide to be honest, ethical and follow the established rules on banned substances?!
Hmmmmm, I want the sport I love to stop being ivolved in illegal,destructive activity and I am the crazy one here, LOL....go figure.
I am going to go hike with my dogs, 'nuff said, ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
If ya want me I will be in this spot, and calm ,after a good climb/hike heheheheehe ,Howard
that's a great picture of you howard. nice hair lol
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Says a lot about the IFBB Rule book.When was the last time a Pro was drug tested Chick???????.
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Why do all the pros just accept the current drug situation that requires them to break the federal drug laws?
Imagine signing up for a job and agreeing to risk breaking the law , just to get paid?
Get busted and your employer looks the other way, AND BLAMES YOU!
Why doesn't some pro ( like a Team U winner) make a formal complaint that the IFBB pro div fails to enforce its' own rules. If that gets ignored , why not make a law suit?
One thing I really hate about all the drug use, is how much it takes away from all the hard work and diet it takes to get in that kind of shape. Everywhere in bodybuilding, you hear wannabees all chime in on how it is "all juice" to be a top pro or even to make any gains, etc.
I am sick of seeing guys get busted , who seem like decent people overall.
I am sick of the health horrer stories. I am sick of the whole roid issue, but it remains a persistant part of the scene.
Yeah, this is a rant and I admit it. But, what can I say...the sport I love is being ruined by this wacky practice of extreme drug use and I resent it. I could care less what some guy puts in his body, but the LEGAL issue affects us all.
Better yet, why doesn't EVERY serious bodybuilder just decide to be honest, ethical and follow the established rules on banned substances?!
Hmmmmm, I want the sport I love to stop being ivolved in illegal,destructive activity and I am the crazy one here, LOL....go figure.
I am going to go hike with my dogs, 'nuff said, ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
If ya want me I will be in this spot, and calm ,after a good climb/hike heheheheehe ,Howard
Didn't you make a thread like three days ago saying you were gonna stfu and stop making threads about drugs in bodybuilding?
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Says a lot about the IFBB Rule book.When was the last time a Pro was drug tested Chick???????.
I believe there may have been some random testing at the ASC....
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So was there or not????and where are the results and was it urine or did they just ask the guys if they are using.How many tests and who it should be no secret why would it be athletes are tested daily in other sports around the world.
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Guys, testing ruins bodybuilding. Stop ruining bodybuilding.
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I believe there may have been some random testing at the ASC....
How often are pros actually tested?
(serious question)
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So was there or not????and where are the results and was it urine or did they just ask the guys if they are using.How many tests and who it should be no secret why would it be athletes are tested daily in other sports around the world.
I think an official just went up to all the athletes and ask them on "scouts honor"....they all said "NO" and that was that.
Good enough for me...
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Chick your a Good Guy and I don't give a Fuk but FFS get that shit Drug Rule deleted from the rule book.It's a Fukin Joke just as you made one with your last post.
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I think an official just went up to all the athletes and ask them on "scouts honor"....they all said "NO" and that was that.
Good enough for me...
ANYTHING the IFBB says is good enough for Chick.
IFBB say "jump" Chick...
Chick say "how high".......
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Chick you would do more for IFBB in one day if you get that laughable Drug Rule deleted.Everyone knows BB is drug abuse the Drug Rule is a JOKE. ::)
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Chick, why won't you answer my question about how often are pros actually tested?
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That's right...it is against the rules...and anyone caught using anything listed on the banned substance list via testing, will face disciplinary action and/ or suspension.
Where is the "banned substance" list? Is it available for public viewing?
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Go to Pro Drug rules in constitution IFBB site.It's a laugh a minute.Everybody is laughing.FFS you have guys going to prison for drug use yet you have the Governor promoting blatant drug abuse.Arnold classic the only thing Classic is Drug abuse on stage. ;D Oh and the IFBB Drug Rule.
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"how often are pros tested?" .. WHO GIVE 'S A RATS ASS?.. why such a hard on for drugs howie?.. every thread you start is about drugs .. for pete sake, some of you just need to support natural bodybuilding and let the ifbb or the npc ect out of your threads.. it is real boring ad nauseum... ::) you say that you are for steroids.. but, against abuse.. so what, you are far rationing?.. making everone take the same amount? i dont get your stance.. either be for natural bodybuilding or stop the endless rants about drug use.. you can stop people from taking "too much".. and lets be honest howie.. take drugs out and you would not like bodybuiling anymore.. that is a fact.. you would see nothing put muscle swimmers when dieted down..
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the original question was "how many milligrams of test are in 1 gram of test" - however this proved to stump all who were competing.
I think an official just went up to all the athletes and ask them on "scouts honor"....they all said "NO" and that was that.
Good enough for me...
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It's more the fact that these clowns have a Drug Rule that they don't enforce.DELETE THE DRUG RULE FROM THE RULES.Let Pros do what they do best abuse drugs.SIMPLE.
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Chick, why won't you answer my question about how often are pros actually tested?
Can't answer what I don't know...
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What's not to know, who in the Pros has been drug tested in the last 5 years??We know the answer so just get the Drug Rule DELETED from the RULES.Simple. ::)
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Chick your a Good Guy and I don't give a Fuk but FFS get that shit Drug Rule deleted from the rule book.It's a Fukin Joke just as you made one with your last post.
Bro...I got news for you...no one cares, The athletes don't want testing, neither does the federation, nor the fans....so why the big push to have the rule enforced?
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What's not to know, who in the Pros has been drug tested in the last 5 years??We know the answer so just get the Drug Rule DELETED from the RULES.Simple. ::)
Delete it, don't delete it....if they're not enforcing it...who cares??
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Can't answer what I don't know...
Thanks anyway.
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Because it's STILL a Fukin Rule and if some want to abuse power they test who they want and not the Fukin winner. ::)
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Because it's STILL a Fukin Rule and if some want to abuse power they test who they want and not the Fukin winner. ::)
Not likely....they would have a huge fight on their hands if anything blatent was done like that...and it doesn't do the federation any good anyway.
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OK we all agree there is no such thing as Drug testing Pros. Again my question WHY HAVE THE FUKIN RULE???????????.You know with that last post any Pro tested positive could use that as defence as it's not an IFBB concern as stated by you.You are a great rep.Gotta give it to you Bob you know your stuff nice work. ;D
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Delete it, don't delete it....if they're not enforcing it...who cares??
That is where the selective enforcing of rules comes into play Chikc, you know like suspending someone for posing in his underwear for a rival federation, but not even checking if any of the top guys are doing drugs.....
Both in the rules......only one is enforced.
Why,Chick, why? :'(
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Delete it, don't delete it....if they're not enforcing it...who cares??
I think people care because it looks to some as if the IFBB is picking & choosing when & what rules to enforce.
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That is where the selective enforcing of rules comes into play Chikc, you know like suspending someone for posing in his underwear for a rival federation, but not even checking if any of the top guys are doing drugs.....
Both in the rules......only one is enforced.
Why,Chick, why? :'(
So...who else was NOT suspended for competing in a rival federation?
Anyone who has ever stepped on a rival fed stage, has been suspended from the IFBB...
So where is your selective enforcement??
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So...who else was NOT suspended for competing in a rival federation?
Anyone who has ever stepped on a rival fed stage, has been suspended from the IFBB...
So where is your selective enforcement??
Oh geeez ::)
Your masters, the IFBB, selected to enforce the "no compete" rule, and they select to NOT enforce the no drugs rule....
Do you need me to write it in crayon?
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Bob selective is when they the IFBB BAN a guy for competing in a non sanction event Why because it's in the RULES then not doing Drug testing when that also is in the RULES now Bob that my friend is called selective.Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm mmmmmmmmm
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Oh geeez ::)
Your masters, the IFBB, selected to enforce the "no compete" rule, and they select to NOT enforce the no drugs rule....
Do you need me to write it in crayon?
What the hell are you talking about? Yes, spell it out in crayon, because no one can understand you.
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Bob selective is when they the IFBB BAN a guy for competing in a non sanction event Why because it's in the RULES then not doing Drug testing when that also is in the RULES now Bob that my friend is called selective.Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm mmmmmmmmm
They do it EQUALLY for all....EVERYONE who has ever gone elsewhere while being an IFBB member has been suspended.
If they choose to not drug test, then obviously, no one is getting tested....EQUALLY.
There are lots of rules that are in place to cover their ass...not too tough to figure out.
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What the hell are you talking about? Yes, spell it out in crayon, because no one can understand you.
hahahaha This is why you get labeled an IFBB stooge Chick! You are whining in another thread about Vince Basile not answering your question, well, you are not dumb, Chick, you know what I'm talking about.
So does this guy...........Bob selective is when they the IFBB BAN a guy for competing in a non sanction event Why because it's in the RULES then not doing Drug testing when that also is in the RULES now Bob that my friend is called selective.Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm mmmmmmmmm
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Howie this is you 55435th thread on the same topic in the last month. You are getting repetitive.
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hahahaha This is why you get labeled an IFBB stooge Chick! You are whining in another thread about Vince Basile not answering your question, well, you are not dumb, Chick, you know what I'm talking about.
So does this guy...........
I asked you to spell it out....you can't or you won't...which is it?
The only one looking like a stooge here is you so far...
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Oh geeez ::)
Your masters, the IFBB, selected to enforce the "no compete" rule, and they select to NOT enforce the no drugs rule....
Do you need me to write it in crayon?
I asked you to spell it out....you can't or you won't...which is it?
The only one looking like a stooge here is you so far...
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hahahah ;D
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Jesus Christ ! He actually followed up on it ! LOL ! ;D
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danielson, Teh Iron Sancho.........do you guys get it, or am I not conveying my message?
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danielson, Teh Iron Sancho.........do you guys get it, or am I not conveying my message?
Uhhh ... your message is still a little unclear to me ... could you, perhaps, fingerpaint it out for me ? :D
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Uhhh ... your message is still a little unclear to me ... could you, perhaps, fingerpaint it out for me ? :D
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They don't enforce for the same reason the NFL doesn't enforce it...it would destroy the NFL just as it would the IFBB. Leagues like the NFL have as much drug use as the IFBB, more if you take into account there are far more individuals.
Granted, the NFL, just like the MLB does have to give up the sacrificial lamb now and then due to such a huge spotlight, but that does not change facts.
The other big difference, and this is why it stands out so much in the IFBB rather then the NFL. When you have guys who are conditioned down to the bone, things simply look freakier and stand out more. Every foot ball player is using the same drugs, they're just not "in shape" as far as BB standards go.
Anyone who doesn't believe this, please use your brain for 2 seconds and come to reality. You don't have 350lb linemen running 4.6 40's who are natural, you don't have RB's who are 240lbs at 5'7" running even faster without drug use...lots of drug use.
Howie, one quick comment on what you said about it taking away from hard work...how so? This is one of the things that eeks me about the "natural militia" more then anything. Work is work, drugs or no drugs. I've said this on here many times, performance enhancing drugs are not there to make things a cake walk, they're there to help you do what you already do, just a little bit better.
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Can't answer what I don't know...
you're the athletic representative to the organization, and you don't know what's going on between the organization and the athletes ? ? ?
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that crayon post is hilarious ;D
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There are lots of rules that are in place to cover their ass...not too tough to figure out.
hahaha Chick, the athete's rep, acknowledges that the IFBB is a joke.
why would fans of bodybuilding take the "sport" seriously when the IFBB itself clearly doesn't?
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That's right...it is against the rules...and anyone caught using anything listed on the banned substance list via testing, will face disciplinary action and/ or suspension.
Chic here is a great question. List all the drugs the IFBB tests for and which are banned. I (we) can't wait
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Bro...I got news for you...no one cares, The athletes don't want testing, neither does the federation, nor the fans....so why the big push to have the rule enforced?
Kind of like setting a speed limit so people are safer. People like to go fast, but there is a law that limits that so when you speed you get in trouble. That is why we have laws and rules to live by. I am sure most people hate stopping at red lights. It would be much easier to just be able to go without stopping, but some brilliant guy figured it could cause quite a mess if we don't have a way to control traffic so lets put up lights. And you may want to erase the part about the IFFB not wanting drug testing. not a good thing to admit these days
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Chic here is a great question. List all the drugs the IFBB tests for and which are banned. I (we) can't wait
Creatine
the end.
;D
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Why do the police only enforce certain laws? Welcome to life, son....
Some rules are put in place to protect the company, they're there if they need it....just like the company you work for. Most companies have a drug testing program in lace, yet never seem to use it...why?
As to your "selective" enforcement...you still don't get it, do you? As long as everyone is treated equally, why should I be fighting for a rule that's never implemented?
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Awesome explanation Chick ::)
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>:(
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Some rules are put in place to protect the company, they're there if they need it....
Are you saying that the IFBB knows that all of its competitors are juiced to the gills, but when the cops show up the IFBB can whip out their rule book?
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Why do the police only enforce certain laws? Welcome to life, son....
Some rules are put in place to protect the company, they're there if they need it....just like the company you work for. Most companies have a drug testing program in lace, yet never seem to use it...why?
As to your "selective" enforcement...you still don't get it, do you? As long as everyone is treated equally, why should I be fighting for a rule that's never implemented?
The selectivity comes in to play when a company enforces some rules but not others. It's not selectivity in who they chose to enforce the rules against, its the rules themselves that they chose to enforce. Basically a company cannot have a handbook of rules and only chose to enforce some of the rules. This is employment law 101.
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do you not understand english, chick?
ifbb enforces competing in rival federations rules
ifbb does not enforce drug test rules
= selective enforcement
here's another one for you
chicks inabilty to grasp this concept = ifbb stooge
Why do the police only enforce certain laws? Welcome to life, son....
Some rules are put in place to protect the company, they're there if they need it....just like the company you work for. Most companies have a drug testing program in lace, yet never seem to use it...why?
As to your "selective" enforcement...you still don't get it, do you? As long as everyone is treated equally, why should I be fighting for a rule that's never implemented?
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The selectivity comes in to play when a company enforces some rules but not others. It's not selectivity in who they chose to enforce the rules against, its the rules themselves that they chose to enforce. Basically a company cannot have a handbook of rules and only chose to enforce some of the rules. This is employment law 101.
why would you expect an athlete's rep to have a basic understanding of employment law?
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Howard, what kind of dogs do you have?
I have a couple of shelties. The sable and white is in the first pic posted in the thread and this is Tazzy the black and white one.
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do you not understand english, chick?
ifbb enforces competing in rival federations rules
ifbb does not enforce drug test rules
= selective enforcement
here's another one for you
chicks inabilty to grasp this concept = ifbb stooge
So des the NFL, the MLB, the NBA, and the PGA as well as every other sports org....
Maybe some of you masterminds should look up the wording of some of these rules....."may be", "subject to", "at the discretion" and "Reserve the right".... are all common phrases that litter the IFBB rulebook,(as well as any other rulebook)
Means exactly what it says...doesn't say MANDATORY, or ABSOLUTELY.
Doesn't mean the will, means the can if they want to....
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;D
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So des the NFL, the MLB, the NBA, and the PGA as well as every other sports org....
Maybe some of you masterminds should look up the wording of some of these rules....."may be", "subject to", "at the discretion" and "Reserve the right".... are all common phrases that litter the IFBB rulebook,(as well as any other rulebook)
Means exactly what it says...doesn't say MANDATORY, or ABSOLUTELY.
Doesn't mean the will, means the can if they want to....
I don't want to put you on the spot about this issue Bob, but since you chimed in, I want to get your feedback on a couple pts .
1. The other pro sports look upon steroid use as cheating the sport and the fans.
The majority of those in bodybuilding look at steroid use as an abolute must for a good pro and consider NOT useing 'roids as bad and cheating the fans out of a good show.
2. I have no personal agenda against steroid use and am a devoted , haredcore fan of bodybuilding.
*As the pro bodybuilder athlete rep, I am sure this will interest you.*
With the absurd drug testing rules still on the IFBB books, it puts the legal burden and risks square on the shoulders of the individual pro. If the pro gets busted for simply doing what he must to compete , he alone will be the one in front of judge , his freedom on the line.
a.To compete as a top pro under the current system, you have to use a certain amount of drugs.
b. Much of this drug use, is against the federal drug laws and REQUIRES a successful pro to break the federal drug laws!
3. The fans, IFBB and promoters make out just fine. They get an "enhanced" pro on stage without ANY responsibilty for how he got that way.
Once again Bob, I have nothing personal against sensible , personal steroid use. I love bodybuilding and will be a ticket buying fan no matter what happens with regards to drugs.My concern is with the OVERALL welfare of pro bodybuilding and the individual pros I admire. As a sincere, involved pro bodybuilding rep, I know this topic is of concern for you as well. I would think some kind of reasonable,moderate policy could be suggested that would help ?
Howard
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Howie, the IFBB doesn't deserve to have you as a fan. Actually, they'd prefer not to have you as a fan since you're rocking the boat (eventhough you're doing it as diplomatically as possible and with only the best intentions.) The sad truth is that you're too good a guy and you have too good a conscience for the "sport" that you love.
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Howie, the IFBB doesn't deserve to have you as a fan. Actually, they'd prefer not to have you as a fan since you're rocking the boat (eventhough you're doing it as diplomatically as possible.) The sad truth is that you're too good a guy and you have too good a conscience for the "sport" that you love.
AND thats howies downfall by default...chic is a good guy and family guy,good son to his parents too,loves bbing but he had to draw the line in the sand and do what everybody did or does,to be a good pro.conscience will play with your mind everday for rest of your life.no matter what you do ..
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Howie, the IFBB doesn't deserve to have you as a fan. Actually, they'd prefer not to have you as a fan since you're rocking the boat (eventhough you're doing it as diplomatically as possible.) The sad truth is that you're too good a guy and you have too good a conscience for the "sport" that you love.
Thanks for the kind words, I do feel strongly about trying to be reasonable and diplomatic. I am going to a pro NGA "natual" show this weekend ( near ATL) and try to support well run, natural shows . I have considered giving up on NONtested events, like the NPC and IFBB pros at various times over the years. The reality is, these shows are the biggest and best in bodybuilding overall.I would be punishing myself if I refused to attend IFBB pro events.
They would still go on , and would end up missing out on a great bodybuilding contest experience.
I have no intention of being a matyr or making a some illogical sacrifice as a pro bodybuilding fan.
I also have nothing personal against steroid use in bodybuilding. As I said already, my concern is over the legal issues and health problems. I don't think top bodybuilders should have to risk breaking the law or their health.
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AND thats howies downfall by default...chic is a good guy and family guy,good son to his parents too,loves bbing but he had to draw the line in the sand and do what everybody did or does,to be a good pro.conscience will play with your mind everday for rest of your life.no matter what you do ..
You are actually making my argument for me here. I know Bob is a great guy, my point is that NOBODY should be REQUIRED to break the drug laws ,just to compete fairly in the sport they love.
The judge is not going to be concerned with your conscience or feelings if you get busted.
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Why do the police only enforce certain laws? Welcome to life, son....
Some rules are put in place to protect the company, they're there if they need it....just like the company you work for. Most companies have a drug testing program in lace, yet never seem to use it...why?
As to your "selective" enforcement...you still don't get it, do you? As long as everyone is treated equally, why should I be fighting for a rule that's never implemented?
Buddy I was really hoping for an intelligent answer but this is horrible even for you. I take it you have no answer. Thats okay, I understand maybe Manion is on the phone and you are getting a busy signal. We can wait till you get through to him for an answer. But, even his answer will be pathetic. You really need to stop comparing BB and the way Weiders run the IFBB and NPC with other sports and especially companies. There is NOT one more crooked run company than these. So please stop doing that. Thanks
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Drug testing the NPC seems like it should be a bigger priority. Make them turn pro without drugs, and then if they don't make it, at least they can walk away with their health. The ones who turn pro can do all the drugs they want, but having "natural amateurs" seems like the right thing to do.
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Rule 8 – Drug Testing
chick,
i think you should look up your own rules, better yet here it is.
8.1 Policy Statement:
Sport involves physical health and fitness, mental application and dedication to
training. Doping – the use of prohibited substances and/or prohibited methods –
to artificially enhance performance is unethical, contrary to the concept of fair
play, undermines the values of sport, and can endanger the health of the athletes.
looks like the ifbb is reluctant to enforce rule 8.1 but is ready was all ready to suspend lee, milos
So des the NFL, the MLB, the NBA, and the PGA as well as every other sports org....
Maybe some of you masterminds should look up the wording of some of these rules....."may be", "subject to", "at the discretion" and "Reserve the right".... are all common phrases that litter the IFBB rulebook,(as well as any other rulebook)
Means exactly what it says...doesn't say MANDATORY, or ABSOLUTELY.
Doesn't mean the will, means the can if they want to....
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Drug testing the NPC seems like it should be a bigger priority. Make them turn pro without drugs, and then if they don't make it, at least they can walk away with their health. The ones who turn pro can do all the drugs they want, but having "natural amateurs" seems like the right thing to do.
The NPC and Jim Manion did the right thing to deal with this tough issue about 14 yrs ago. They started the drug tested Team Universe. This gave natural bodybuilders within the NPC ranks a drug tested national contest.
This contest also picked via winning his/her wt class, the members of the USA Team for the IFBB Amatuer Worlds .
When international tensions and politics amde it difficult for the USA team to travel safely, the overall winner was given a pro card.
Real , substantial change ahs to come from the top down.
If the best bodybuilders all use substantial amounts of the juice, then you get the message of what needs to be done in a loud and clear fashion. If real testing come into practice and the pros had to scale back on a lot of their drug use, it would send a BIG message to tone down your drug use, if you ever want a chance to make it in the pros.
Those that claim drug testing won't stop all drug use are in theory correct. However, the real issue is to make drug use a lot less of a factor and drug testing would do that. You don't end enforcement of all speed limits simply
because people still drive fast every day. The law and enforcement efforts keep things in check and prevent most crazy folks from driving drunk at 100 mph down the sidewalk.
Howard
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The Drugs are here to stay that's not the problem people will always do what they do BUT FFS get that Drug Rule DELETED from the IFBB rules.It's a Fukin joke and every person in the industry is LAUGHING.DELETE DELETE DELETE. ::)
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The Drugs are here to stay that's not the problem people will always do what they do BUT FFS get that Drug Rule DELETED from the IFBB rules.It's a Fukin joke and every person in the industry is LAUGHING.DELETE DELETE DELETE. ::)
We, the hardcore fans of the pors , know the IFBB drug testing rule is a joke . The real issue is why do they bother to have such an extensive collection of rules on drug testing and banned substances.
1. It is good PR for the casual observer and intended to help convince the IOC to allow bodybuilding into the Olympics.
2. It provides possible legal cover in the form of an existing policy against drug use within the IFBB.
* Granted, the actual policy is a virtual house of cards. If challenged and examined in open court it would fold faster than the Polish calvary against the German's.
3. It places any legal risks with drugs on the individual pro bodybuilder. The IFBB gets a better pro who is enhanced without any legal liabilty within the actual organization. Should a pro ever get busted they can easily opt tosuspend him/her and claim they are anit- steroid ( based on their own detailed rules against them).
4. The actual written rules of the IFBB charter try to paint bodybuilding as a healthy sport and ideal fitness minded activity .
Sadly, this is NOT the case for obvious reasons.
The ironic thing for me , is that if the IFBB would follow their own actual written rules along with the ethical standards, code of coduct and judging standards; we would have a GREAT sport.
The actual IFBB rules and standards are well written and ones that I believe in myself. It is indeed quite sad , that the sport refuses to follow and/or enforce them.
Howard
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Why do the police only enforce certain laws? Welcome to life, son....
Some rules are put in place to protect the company, they're there if they need it....just like the company you work for. Most companies have a drug testing program in lace, yet never seem to use it...why?
As to your "selective" enforcement...you still don't get it, do you? As long as everyone is treated equally, why should I be fighting for a rule that's never implemented?
Weak ass answer, Chick. You would be better off saying, "I don't know, I'll look into it." Then ignore it and when it's brought up again say you haven't heard anything yet. ;D
Instead, you sit on your comp and defend the IFBB, just like a good stooge should. :-*
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The NPC and Jim Manion did the right thing to deal with this tough issue about 14 yrs ago. They started the drug tested Team Universe.
there is no evidence that they've ever drug tested Team Universe. No one has ever been DQed. No one has ever lost their placing.
Kai Greene won the thing twice. you really think he went from a natural bodybuilder to winning a pro contest in 3 years? and we won't even talk about Skip LaCour
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Drugs are all over sports. I imagine they just make examples of those they don't like as a front for the general public.
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Drugs are all over sports. I imagine they just make examples of those they don't like as a front for the general public.
I think the issue is bit deeper and more complex then how well an athlete is liked.
It has more to do with the high profile nature of the athlete and how likely it is that they can make the roid charges stick. Since an athlete has due process and the right to appeal a drug use conviction, their is a bit of preasure on the administators in any prof. sports league to "do it right" if you are going to bust some pro athlete for drug use.
The track world went after Marion Jones, one the most liked and admired athletes in woman's track .
Why? She was a gold medal winner and media darling. Plus, she was in on the Balco deal, so there was lot of evidence to convict her with. This was a high profile , media frenzy of a bust.
Same deal with Barry Bonds, Roger Clemmens and all the other top notch players in a variety of sports.
Pretty ironic how football is NOT getting any steroid scandels, hmmmmmmm?
I guess all those big NFL guys are steroid free and just eat good and take creatine hehe.
While bodybuilders are the most obvious roid users ( due to their appearence), they are small in terms of media coverage. The lack of any substantial sports media coverage may be the one thing that saves pro bodybuilding from a nightmare level of steroid scandels and investigations.
I have some obvious strong opinions about the current extreme drug use in pro bodybuilding.BUT, I am a fan first and want to see a great contest. I actually admire the pro bodybuilders and enjoy seeing them in various pro events.
Howard
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Howie, why don't you sue the IFBB about the unfairness in sport? Seems to me any aspiring bodybuilder should be able to do so because no one can win the top pro titles naturally. It is clear that even the IFBB pro athletes rep condons steroids and that is why he can't say much against them.
A fan or parent of an aspiring bodybuilder could sue those who allow drugs to be used by some in this sport. It is not a level playing field. Maybe they should sue the governor of California as well. It is a political issue, afterall.
The IFBB doesn't know what to do. They fear that if they enforce their own rules that bodybuilders will go to another organization and the IFBB will lose its place. They certainly understand the fickle nature of mirror athletes who go where they can win something they covet. The Mr Olympia is the premier title so that is what most aspire to. I won't even mention the women because that sport is bizarre. Yet the IFBB are to blame because they allowed breast enhancements, steroids, and goodness knows what else the men and women have to do to compete. I hate that fake tan that gets painted on. How the hell did that get to be a practice that even the amateurs employ? Just disgraceful.
Bob is on record as saying he isn't against things as long as they aren't obvious.
I think stooge should be replaced by dunce because Bob clearly can't comprehend messages written in crayon!
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I believe there may have been some random testing at the ASC....
Ok Bob most of the time i respect you....but come the fk on....you would have been better off not answering to the post. Thats as ignorant and retarted a statement as iv ever heard. Let me ask your honest OPINON based on EXPERIENCE...do you believe ANY of the competitors in the IFBB over 200lbs are clean? uh huh
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Does anyone think the IFBB is going to appoint someone who is independent, intelligent and honest as pro athletes rep? Not a chance. They need a stooge and Bob is shameless so is the perfect lackey and patsy.
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Bob knows that nobody competing is clean- FACT, so all I say is DELETE the stupid Fukin Rule from the IFBB Rules EVERYBODY IS LAUGHING AT THAT RULE. ::)Banned substances are not to be used.FUKIN JOKE.
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If the bottom line is the drug issue then I vote to do serious, consistent, honest, valid and regular testing of all competitors and polygraphs and out of contest testing too.
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If the bottom line is the drug issue then I vote to do serious, consistent, honest, valid and regular testing of all competitors and polygraphs and out of contest testing too.
Good luck with that. I am sure the pros will all voluntarily comply ::)
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The reality is the pros use heaps of drugs and do all manner of augmenting the muscles, etc. So, of course it is going to be almost impossible to change what is going on. The IFBB is literally painted into a corner here and can hardly change the mess they are in.
Someday, somehow, someway they will have to start doing proper testing for steroids, etc.
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Ok Bob most of the time i respect you....but come the fk on....you would have been better off not answering to the post. Thats as ignorant and retarted a statement as iv ever heard. Let me ask your honest OPINON based on EXPERIENCE...do you believe ANY of the competitors in the IFBB over 200lbs are clean? uh huh
It was a joke...sorry I didn't include the ;D or a LOL at the end....my bad.
That said...whats the difference If I believe any of them are clean?
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It was a joke...sorry I didn't include the ;D or a LOL at the end....my bad.
That said...whats the difference If I believe any of them are clean?
Bob I liked your "synthol is ok as long as its not obvious" interpretation of the ifbb rules, the best.
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Bob I liked your "synthol is ok as long as its not obvious" interpretation of the ifbb rules, the best.
haha you can handle the truth :)
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Howie, why don't you sue the IFBB about the unfairness in sport? Seems to me any aspiring bodybuilder should be able to do so because no one can win the top pro titles naturally. It is clear that even the IFBB pro athletes rep condons steroids and that is why he can't say much against them.
A fan or parent of an aspiring bodybuilder could sue those who allow drugs to be used by some in this sport. It is not a level playing field. Maybe they should sue the governor of California as well. It is a political issue, afterall.
The IFBB doesn't know what to do. They fear that if they enforce their own rules that bodybuilders will go to another organization and the IFBB will lose its place. They certainly understand the fickle nature of mirror athletes who go where they can win something they covet. The Mr Olympia is the premier title so that is what most aspire to. I won't even mention the women because that sport is bizarre. Yet the IFBB are to blame because they allowed breast enhancements, steroids, and goodness knows what else the men and women have to do to compete. I hate that fake tan that gets painted on. How the hell did that get to be a practice that even the amateurs employ? Just disgraceful.
Bob is on record as saying he isn't against things as long as they aren't obvious.
I think stooge should be replaced by dunce because Bob clearly can't comprehend messages written in crayon!
Vince in US law it is my belief that one has to have "legal standing" to bring a law suit. Since I am only a fan and NPC judge , NOT an active IFBB pro, I don't have the "standing" to bring a law suit.
Bob Chic and I are on NOT in agreement on the drugs in bodybuilding issue.
It is his view to be practical about this issue and keep it as a NON issue ( the current policy).
While I don't agree with Bob , I do understand his "practical view" on this and respect his opinion and experience in the sport .
You don't have to avoid going to contests just because you disagree with the IFBB on some issue.
Overall, I feel the IFBB pro div has done a good job helping pro bodybuilding grow and putting on major shows.
I feel it is my right and obligation as a serious, ticket buying fan to voice my concern on the drug issue.
After that, I sit back and enjoy the show, as is with no hard feelings on my part.
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TAKE THE DRUGS OUT AND YOU WILL NOT HAVE BODYBUILDING.. go see the nga show and look at the attendence.. if that is what ya want for bodybuilding then want the demise of boidybuilding.. and by the way, i hope you do not believe that the team universe has "actual" drug free competitors.. i have said in the past, that i know one in particular and he is far from natural.. but, he passes the test.. and he is far from alone..